川普顾问回应AI毁灭人类：中国不停我不停 | 2026.9.
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| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:01 | We're going to begin with the Trump administration pushing back hard against a growing effort | 我们首先要从特朗普政府 极力抵制不断增长的努力开始 |
| 0:05 | to regulate artificial intelligence. | 来规范人工智能 |
| 0:07 | On Monday, President Trump repeatedly called the risk of AI destroying humanity a hoax. | 星期一,特朗普总统一再称AI毁灭人类的风险是骗局. |
| 0:13 | That's after our exclusive Sunday morning interview with Anthropics CEO Dario Amadei, | 那是在周日早上专访人类学首席执行官Dario Amadei之后 |
| 0:18 | who says it's time to scale back the pace of development. | 谁说是时候 缩小发展的速度。 |
| 0:21 | Jolene Kent sat down for another broadcast exclusive with one of the top White House | 乔琳・肯特坐下来参加另一个独家广播 与最高的白宫之一 |
| 0:25 | advisors on AI, David Sachs, to see what he thinks of any government intervention. | 关于AI的顾问,大卫・萨克斯, 看看他如何看待任何政府干预。 |
| 0:31 | Jolene joins us now from Los Angeles. | 乔琳现在从洛杉矶过来 |
| 0:33 | Good morning, Jolene. | 早上好,乔琳。 |
| 0:34 | Nobody's had more exclusives than you on this story. | 没有人比你更擅长这个故事 |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
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| 1 | We're going to begin with the Trump administration pushing back hard against a growing effort | 我们首先要从特朗普政府 极力抵制不断增长的努力开始 |
| 2 | to regulate artificial intelligence. | 来规范人工智能 |
| 3 | On Monday, President Trump repeatedly called the risk of AI destroying humanity a hoax. | 星期一,特朗普总统一再称AI毁灭人类的风险是骗局. |
| 4 | That's after our exclusive Sunday morning interview with Anthropics CEO Dario Amadei, | 那是在周日早上专访人类学首席执行官Dario Amadei之后 |
| 5 | who says it's time to scale back the pace of development. | 谁说是时候 缩小发展的速度。 |
| 6 | Jolene Kent sat down for another broadcast exclusive with one of the top White House | 乔琳・肯特坐下来参加另一个独家广播 与最高的白宫之一 |
| 7 | advisors on AI, David Sachs, to see what he thinks of any government intervention. | 关于AI的顾问,大卫・萨克斯, 看看他如何看待任何政府干预。 |
| 8 | Jolene joins us now from Los Angeles. | 乔琳现在从洛杉矶过来 |
| 9 | Good morning, Jolene. | 早上好,乔琳。 |
| 10 | Nobody's had more exclusives than you on this story. | 没有人比你更擅长这个故事 |
| 11 | So I'm so glad you're here to break it all down for us. | 所以我很高兴你在这里 打破这一切给我们。 |
| 12 | Nora, thank you and good morning. | 诺拉,谢谢你,早上好 |
| 13 | David Sachs told us he thinks the threat posed by AI is being exaggerated and leveraged for | David Sachs告诉我们 他觉得AI的威胁被夸大了 并被利用 |
| 14 | political points during what will soon be an election season. | 在即将到来的选举季节, |
| 15 | He also suggested that if AI companies are worried their products could cause long-term | 他还建议,如果AI公司担心其产品会造成长期损失,那么,A. |
| 16 | harm, it is on them, in his words, to find solutions. | 用他的话来说,找到解决办法是他们的责任。 |
| 17 | I mean, you have the leader of a frontier AI lab say that frontier AI is dangerous, | 你有一个前沿AI实验室的负责人说 前沿AI很危险 |
| 18 | so dangerous that it can end humanity. | 如此危险,它可以结束人类。 |
| 19 | I guess my question when I hear something like that is, why are you doing it? | 我想当我听到这样的声音时 我的问题就是 你为什么要这么做? |
| 20 | I mean, you're the leader of this company. | 我的意思是,你是这家公司的领导者。 |
| 21 | Why are you acting like this is something that you can't control? | 你为什么这样的行为是无法控制的? |
| 22 | If you can't control it, then don't do it, would be my view or step aside for people who can. | 如果你不能控制它,那么不要这样做, 将会是我的观点或站到一边的人谁可以。 |
| 23 | We spoke with David Sachs, the co-chair of President Trump's Council of Advisors on | 我们和特朗普总统顾问委员会共同主席大卫·萨夏谈过 |
| 24 | Science and Technology, just days after anthropic CEO Dario Amadei told us it was time to slow | 科技,人类首席执行官Dario Amadei告诉我们 是时候慢下来了 |
| 25 | the pace of the AI frontier and hours after the president responded on his social media | 总统在社交媒体回应数小时后, |
| 26 | platform, saying, quote, AI taking over the world, destroying humanity and all other things | 他说,引用,大赦国际接管了世界,摧毁了人类和所有其他事物。 |
| 27 | bad is a hoax. | 坏是恶作剧 |
| 28 | 后来,他给Nvidia首席执行官Jensen Wong打电话, 当时他正在All In Summit的舞台上 | |
| 29 | and could be heard on speakerphone doubling down and saying this. | 并可以在扬声器上听到 双倍下降并说这个。 |
| 30 | The robots will not be taken over. | 机器人不会被接管的 |
| 31 | The AI will not be taken over the rest of the world. | AI不会被世界所占据. |
| 32 | The whole thing is a hoax. | 整件事都是骗局 |
| 33 | Now, with that, we have to be a little bit careful. | 现在,这样的话,我们必须小心一点。 |
| 34 | We have to very be, you know, we have to do things and we have to do them prudently. | 我们必须非常,你知道,我们必须做一些事情,我们必须谨慎地去做。 |
| 35 | But that doesn't mean we're going to stop an industry. | 但这并不意味着我们要阻止一个行业。 |
| 36 | The CEOs of these companies do have inside information about future models that we don't | 这些公司的首席执行官确实有关于未来模型的内部信息 我们没有 |
| 37 | have in the general public. | 在公众中。 |
| 38 | Does President Trump have information that we don't have? | 川普总统有我们没有的信息吗? |
| 39 | Does he know something we don't know to be able to say, OK, this is all a hoax, as he | 他知道一些我们不知道 能够说,OK,这一切都是一个骗局,因为他 |
| 40 | puts it? | 摆? |
| 41 | Well, look, I mean, again, no one is saying that they shouldn't take steps on their own | 好吧,你看,我的意思是,再次, 没有人在说, 他们不应该采取 他们自己的步骤 |
| 42 | to prioritize the safety of their own products. | 优先考虑他们自己产品的安全。 |
| 43 | Again, every corporation in America. | 再说一遍,美国的每一个公司。 |
| 44 | But he's calling it a hoax. | 却称其作弊. |
| 45 | Well, no, the hoax is that somehow we're going to be extinct as a species within a few years | 不,骗局是,不知何故,我们将在几年内作为一个物种灭绝 |
| 46 | because of AI and therefore we have to stop completely. | 因为AI,所以我们必须完全停止。 |
| 47 | In his weekend essay, Amadei did not call for a complete stop, but did ask for government | 阿玛迪在周末的散文中并没有要求完全停止,而是要求政府 |
| 48 | intervention, suggesting in part that antitrust waivers could make it easier for tech companies | 部分地表明,反托拉斯豁免可使技术公司更容易 |
| 49 | to coordinate safety conversations. | 协调安全对话 |
| 50 | What he's saying when he says I need an antitrust waiver is I should be able to form a cartel | 当他说我需要反托拉斯豁免时 我就能组成一个卡特尔 |
| 51 | or I should be protected from competition. | 或者我应该被保护 不受竞争。 |
| 52 | In my view, that's not acceptable. | 我认为这是不可接受的。 |
| 53 | You have an obligation to make your products safe, and you should not need anything extra | 你有义务保证你的产品安全, 你不应该需要任何额外的 |
| 54 | from the government in order to do that. | 从政府 为了做到这一点。 |
| 55 | Will there be additional regulation of AI companies coming from the Trump White House | 对来自特朗普白宫的AI公司是否会有额外的监管 |
| 56 | or the Republican Party at this point? | 还是现在的共和党? |
| 57 | Well, let's see what happens. | 好吧,让我们看看会发生什么。 |
| 58 | But look, what I'm saying is that I think if there's new regulations that are being | 但我想说的是 如果有新的规定 |
| 59 | They should be sensible. | 他们应该是明智的。 |
| 60 | They should be grounded in facts and evidence. | 它们应基于事实和证据。 |
| 61 | And we should recognize that we already have a lot of laws and regulatory agencies that | 我们应该认识到,我们已经有许多法律和管理机构 |
| 62 | apply to AI. | 适用于大赦国际。 |
| 63 | A key consideration, Sak says, is ensuring the U.S. does not sacrifice strategic advantages | Sak说,一个关键的考虑是确保美国不会牺牲战略优势 |
| 64 | in the AI race against China, a concern Amadei shares. | 在AI对中国的比赛中, 一个关心阿玛迪股份。 |
| 65 | They basically have said we're not going to stop. | 他们基本上说我们不会停手。 |
| 66 | They think they have a different view of this. | 他们认为自己对此有不同的看法. |
| 67 | They have a very pragmatic view of AI. | 他们对大赦国际的看法非常务实。 |
| 68 | Do you think their approach is correct in China? | 你觉得他们的做法在中国是正确的吗? |
| 69 | Well, I think that their approach is that they see AI as something that can tangibly | 我认为他们的态度是 他们把AI看作是可以明显地 |
| 70 | benefit their population. | 使他们的人口受益。 |
| 71 | They think it's going to help their economy. | 他们认为这会帮助他们的经济. |
| 72 | They think it helps their nation. | 他们认为这能帮助他们的国家。 |
| 73 | You don't see all this hand-wringing about AI. | 你没有看到这些关于AI的手摇晃。 |
| 74 | Now, the Anthropics CEO Dario Amadei has also said that global pacing will require cooperation | 现在,人类学首席执行官达里奥·阿马迪也说过,全球速度需要合作 |
| 75 | in China, including some kind of international agreement to regulate AI development, though | 包括某种规范AI发展的国际协定, |
| 76 | he has told me he knows that is very hard to accomplish. | 他告诉我他知道这很难完成 |
| 77 | Sak's, meanwhile, told me that while a deal would be valuable, it would take years to | 与此同时,Sak告诉我,尽管交易是有价值的,但需要几年的时间 |
| 78 | broker and in the interim, as AI is moving so quickly, American companies should continue | 经纪人和在临时, 由于AI移动这么快, 美国公司应该继续 |
| 79 | their work with a focus on safety, Nora. | 他们的工作重点是安全,诺拉。 |
| 80 | Really interesting. | 真的很有趣,你觉得呢? |
| 81 | And Jolene, did he have anything to say about the fact that there's unity across the political | 乔琳,他有什么要说的 关于一个事实,有团结 跨越政治 |
| 82 | spectrum amongst these leaders in AI about scaling back? | 在AI的这些领导者中, |
| 83 | Yeah, this is really interesting, Nora. | 是啊,这真的很有趣,诺拉。 |
| 84 | We're talking about an alliance between Senator Bernie Sanders and Steve Bannon, for example, | 我们谈的是参议员伯尼·桑德斯和史蒂夫·班农的联盟, |
| 85 | strange bedfellows on the issue of AI safety, and David Sak's initial reaction to that was | 奇怪的床头沟 关于AI安全问题, 大卫·萨克的初步反应是 |
| 86 | to point to the history of pop culture around AI amplifying people's fears. | 指出流行文化的历史 围绕着AI 扩大人们的恐惧。 |
| 87 | He went on to call himself a realist and re-emphasized that it's important for American companies | 他继续自称现实主义者,并再次强调这对美国公司很重要 |
| 88 | to lead the way on developing AI, because if they don't, according to Sak, it is certain | 因为根据Sak的说法,如果他们不这样做,那肯定 |
| 89 | in his view that China will lead and dominate the industry, putting, in his words, the U.S. | 他认为中国将领导和主导这个行业,用他的话来说就是美国。 |
| 90 | behind China economically and militarily. | 中国的经济和军事背后 |
| 91 | And as for those AI models, Sak's is telling me the U.S. is only about 6 to 12 months ahead | 至于那些AI模型,Sak's告诉我 美国只提前6到12个月 |
| 92 | of China right now, Nora. | 中国现在,诺拉。 |
| 93 | Really interesting. | 真的很有趣,你觉得呢? |
| 94 | Jolene,又来了 | |
| 95 | Thank you so much. | 非常感谢 |
| 96 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 97 | You can watch that full interview with David Sak's on our YouTube page or by scanning the | 你可以在YouTube上观看David Sak的完整采访 或者通过扫描 |
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