CNN专访川普新任命教育部长为何解散教育部 | 2025.3
字幕摘录
| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:01 | Another hectic week in Donald Trump's America and the president watched the | 在唐纳德·特朗普的美国 又一个忙碌的星期 总统也看了 |
| 0:05 | NCAA wrestling match last night. | NCAA摔跤比赛昨晚。 |
| 0:08 | But front and center back here in Washington | 但是在华盛顿的前面和中央 |
| 0:11 | is the education of America's children. | 是美国孩子的教育 |
| 0:14 | After President Trump made good on a | 特朗普总统成功后 |
| 0:15 | longtime conservative talking point and took major steps to shutter his own | 长期保守的谈话点 并采取了重大步骤 关闭自己的 |
| 0:20 | Department of Education. | 教育部. |
| 0:21 | The president said some of the duties of the education | 总统说一些教育的职责 |
| 0:24 | department like distributing funding for students with disabilities and managing | 诸如向残疾学生分配资助和管理 |
| 0:28 | student loans would be handled by different departments. | 学生贷款将由不同部门处理。 |
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| 1 | Another hectic week in Donald Trump's America and the president watched the | 在唐纳德·特朗普的美国 又一个忙碌的星期 总统也看了 |
| 2 | NCAA wrestling match last night. | NCAA摔跤比赛昨晚。 |
| 3 | But front and center back here in Washington | 但是在华盛顿的前面和中央 |
| 4 | is the education of America's children. | 是美国孩子的教育 |
| 5 | After President Trump made good on a | 特朗普总统成功后 |
| 6 | longtime conservative talking point and took major steps to shutter his own | 长期保守的谈话点 并采取了重大步骤 关闭自己的 |
| 7 | Department of Education. | 教育部. |
| 8 | The president said some of the duties of the education | 总统说一些教育的职责 |
| 9 | department like distributing funding for students with disabilities and managing | 诸如向残疾学生分配资助和管理 |
| 10 | student loans would be handled by different departments. | 学生贷款将由不同部门处理。 |
| 11 | But there are | 但还有 |
| 12 | urgent questions about how those changes would happen, how they would affect | 关于这些变化将如何发生,它们将如何影响 |
| 13 | students who need the help, how any of it will help turn around learning for | 需要帮助的学生, 如何帮助转身学习 |
| 14 | American kids. | 美国小孩 |
| 15 | Here with me exclusively is the woman winding down her own | 在这里,我独有的女人 迎来自己的 |
| 16 | department, education secretary Linda McMahon. | 部门,教育秘书琳达·麦克马洪。 |
| 17 | Thank you so much for being here | 谢谢你来 |
| 18 | I appreciate it. | 谢谢 |
| 19 | There's so many concerns and questions from parents about the | 家长们对 |
| 20 | consequences of all this so let's talk about it hopefully we'll get some | 这一切的后果,让我们谈谈它 希望我们可以得到一些 |
| 21 | answers today. | 今日答问. |
| 22 | The president's executive order said that the Department of | 总统的行政命令说 |
| 23 | Education should begin to shutter. | 教育应该开始关闭。 |
| 24 | You all know and you said this under oath | 你们都知道,你们发誓要说这些 |
| 25 | you can't do that without Congress changing the law it doesn't seem like | 如果国会不修改法律,你就不能这么做 |
| 26 | right now there are the votes to do that. | 现在有选票可以投票 |
| 27 | So if you can't close it down what | 所以,如果你不能关闭它是什么 |
| 28 | exactly will the education department be doing now? | 教育部门现在会做什么? |
| 29 | Well I think first of all | 我首先认为 |
| 30 | thanks Dana for having me this morning it's nice to start a Sunday with you. | 谢谢Dana今早邀请我 很高兴能跟你一起开始一个星期天 |
| 31 | Thank | 谢谢 |
| 32 | you. | 你们 |
| 33 | I think the president was very clear the outward facing programs that are | 我认为总统非常清楚 外向的节目是 |
| 34 | going to be affecting students are there's not going to be any defunding for | 将会影响学生 不会有任何削减资金 |
| 35 | those programs when he talked about student loans that would be going to | 那些方案,当他谈到 学生贷款将会 |
| 36 | the Small Business Administration and also then the programs for students with | 小企业管理,以及随后为学生开设的 |
| 37 | disabilities will more than likely rest in HHS which by the way is where they | 残疾很可能在HHS中休息,顺便说一句,那里是他们 |
| 38 | began. | 开始。 |
| 39 | I think we're looking at putting things in different departments where | 我想我们是在考虑把事情放到不同的部门 |
| 40 | they can operate very efficiently as we look on how we can shut down the | 他们可以非常高效地运作 当我们看着如何关闭 |
| 41 | Department of Education. | 教育部. |
| 42 | They're not operate efficiently now? | 他们现在没有有效操作? |
| 43 | Not as well as | 没有那么好 |
| 44 | they not as well as they should be. | 他们没有像他们应该做的那么好。 |
| 45 | As a matter of fact the president campaigned | 事实上,总统竞选 |
| 46 | on the fact that he wanted to close down the Department of Education and went | 由于他想要关闭教育局 |
| 47 | what we saw with our scores recently with the NAEP which is our country's | 我们最近所看到的 以我们的得分 与NAEP 是我国的 |
| 48 | support card. | 支持卡。 |
| 49 | I mean it's it's unacceptable where education is in our | 我的意思是,这是不能接受的 教育在我们 |
| 50 | country today and so the Department of Education does not educate one child it | 所以教育部不教育一个孩子 |
| 51 | does not establish any curriculum in any states it doesn't hire teachers it | 没有在任何州设置任何课程 它不雇用教师 |
| 52 | doesn't establish programs what it is is more of a pass-through of funding which | 没有制定什么方案 更多的是资金的传递 |
| 53 | is appropriated by Congress by the way and so we want to make sure that that | 顺便说一句,国会会批准 所以我们想确保 |
| 54 | funding continues in departments where it needs to be but at the same time give | 在需要但同时给予资助的部门继续提供资金。 |
| 55 | states the opportunities to be innovative and creative with their | * 说明有机会以创新和创造性方式利用 |
| 56 | teaching. | 教学。 |
| 57 | So you mentioned that there are lots of data there's lots of data that | 你提到有很多数据 有很多数据 |
| 58 | shows that I think to put it mildly education could be better in America. | 显示我认为温和的教育在美国会更好 |
| 59 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 60 | But you also just admitted and it's just fact that most of the | 但你也刚刚承认了 只是事实上大多数 |
| 61 | funding most of all of the curriculum and everything that goes into educating | 资助大部分课程和一切教育 |
| 62 | our students happens on a local level so I'm not quite sure how eliminating the | 我们的学生是在地方一级发生的,所以我不知道如何消除 |
| 63 | Department of Education is going to make those test scores go up. | 教育部将提高考试成绩。 |
| 64 | A lot of the funding that goes into states now goes with a lot of red tape a lot of | 大量资金流入各州 现在有很多繁文缛节 |
| 65 | {\fn华文楷体\fs20\bord1\shad1\1cHE0E0E0\2cH000000}他和總督和州長都依附于此 | |
| 66 | have said look if we have the funding coming in which allows us to be more | 已经说,看,如果我们有 资金到位,让我们有更多的 |
| 67 | creative how can we spend that the president believes as I do that the best | 创意,我们如何花 总统相信,我这样做是最好的 |
| 68 | education is that that's closest to the students and I want to look at some of | 教育是最接近学生的 我想看看一些 |
| 69 | the states that have been incredibly great over the last couple of years like | 在过去几年里非常伟大的州 |
| 70 | Louisiana their NAEP score showed that they had improved the most of any states | 路易斯安那州他们的NAEP分数显示 他们改进了大多数州 |
| 71 | those are programs that were put in place by the governors by the the | 这些是省长们制定的方案。 |
| 72 | superintendent of education not having anything to do with the Department of | 教育总监与教育部无关 |
| 73 | Education in Washington so what we need to do is to make sure that the funding | 华盛顿的教育 所以我们需要做的是 确保资金 |
| 74 | has a clear path the funding continues but that the states are allowed to spend | 有一条明确的路线 资金继续 但各州允许支出 |
| 75 | the money where they need to spend it to hire teachers increase their salaries | 他们需要花的钱 雇用教师 增加他们的工资 |
| 76 | make sure that our students with special needs are taken care of and that's what | 确保有特殊需求的学生 得到照顾,这就是 |
| 77 | we want to make sure that happens. | 我们想要确保这发生。 |
| 78 | I just want to ask a sort of a fundamental philosophical question and | 我只想问一个基本的哲学问题 |
| 79 | that is do you believe that the federal government has a responsibility to | 你是否认为联邦政府有责任 |
| 80 | ensure that all children, rural children, urban, rich, poor, special needs have | 确保所有儿童、农村儿童、城市儿童、富人、穷人和特殊需要 |
| 81 | access to quality education? | 获得优质教育? |
| 82 | That is certainly the goal of the president. | 这当然是总统的目标。 |
| 83 | He has said that he wants to | 他说他想 |
| 84 | make sure that there is equal access to quality education for every student in | 确保每个学生在教育方面享有平等的机会。 |
| 85 | our country which is why he is such a proponent of school choice. | 所以他才这么支持学校选择 |
| 86 | He doesn't | 他没有 |
| 87 | believe that any child should be trapped in a failing school that we should have | 相信任何孩子都应该被困在一个失败的学校里 我们应该有 |
| 88 | parents have the ability to choose where their children can be able to go to | 父母有能力选择孩子可以去的地方 |
| 89 | school so that if they are in a failing school they have an opportunity to have | 因此,如果他们在失败的学校里,他们有机会获得 |
| 90 | better education somewhere else that they have the tools to be able to do that. | 更好的教育 其他地方,他们有 工具可以做到这一点。 |
| 91 | But if I may, it's a goal of the president but is it a federal responsibility to | 但是,如果可以的话,这是总统的目标 但这是联邦的责任 |
| 92 | ensure that every child in America has access to a good education? | 确保美国每个儿童都能接受良好的教育? |
| 93 | I think that was the purpose of public education when we first began it in our | 我认为这是公共教育的目的 当我们第一次在我们的 |
| 94 | country and I think that the federal government, state governments, we owe it | 我觉得联邦政府,州政府,我们欠它的 |
| 95 | to all of our children. | 敬我们所有的孩子 |
| 96 | After all, that's the next generation of our engineers, our | 毕竟,那是下一代 我们的工程师,我们的 |
| 97 | scientists, our quantum mathematicians, but also our welders, our plumbers, our | 科学家们,我们的量子数学家们 还有焊工,水管工,我们 |
| 98 | HVACs, our welders, all of that. | HVACs,我们的焊接工,所有这一切。 |
| 99 | We have to make sure that there's educational | 我们必须确保有教育 |
| 100 | opportunity available to every single student so they can be the best they can | 每一个学生都有机会成为最好的学生 |
| 101 | be. | 将。 |
| 102 | That's how we compete in the world. | 这就是我们如何在世界上竞争。 |
| 103 | You mentioned students with disabilities. | 你提到有残疾的学生。 |
| 104 | Of course, currently your department | 当然,你现在的部门 |
| 105 | enforces the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act which does | 执行《残疾人教育法》,该法 |
| 106 | a federal guarantee for free public education for children with disabilities. | 联邦保障残疾儿童获得免费公共教育。 |
| 107 | Can you guarantee to those parents and those students that there won't be any | 你能向那些父母和学生保证 没有 |
| 108 | disruption with their education, the guarantees for their education? | 中断他们的教育,他们的教育保障? |
| 109 | I certainly hope. | 我当然希望。 |
| 110 | I would like to see even more funding go to the states for that | 我希望看到更多的资金流向各州 |
| 111 | and if it rests with HHS, which is one of the suggestions, that funding clearly is | 如果这是建议之一,由卫生部负责,那么资金显然就是: |
| 112 | going to continue to come from Congress and we want to make sure that those | 继续从国会来 我们想要确保那些 |
| 113 | students do have those special services and those needs which they have, which is | 学生确实拥有这些特殊服务和需要,即: |
| 114 | really monitored and taken care of at the state level. | 真正在州一级监测和照顾。 |
| 115 | So it's funding, but I'm not hearing so far any federal promise from you who is | 所以这是资金, 但我还没有听到任何联邦的承诺 从你是谁 |
| 116 | still in charge of federal education policy and the laws passed by Congress | 仍然负责联邦教育政策和国会通过的法律 |
| 117 | that you are still in charge of to protect children who need it, that those protections | 你仍然负责保护有需要的儿童 这些保护 |
| 118 | are still going to be there and that they won't be disrupted. | 他们不会被打乱的 |
| 119 | They're not going to be disrupted and it really does rest from the federal level on | 他们不会被打乱的 从联邦层面来说 |
| 120 | the funding. | 资金。 |
| 121 | So the funding is appropriated by Congress. | 所以经费由国会拨款. |
| 122 | It flows through to the states. | 流经诸州. |
| 123 | But let's, am I, the Secretary of Education, | 但是,我是教育部长吗? |
| 124 | sitting in Washington, going to have a view into a school room where a teacher is | 坐在华盛顿,要有一个景色 到一个学校的房间,一个教师是 |
| 125 | trying to take care of a student with special needs? | 照顾有特殊需求的学生? |
| 126 | Or is that going to happen better at the local level where that teacher in | 或者,这是会发生更好的 在地方一级,那里的教师 |
| 127 | cooperation with the parents and the local school officials has more opportunity to | 与家长以及当地学校官员的合作有更多的机会 |
| 128 | make sure that that student's needs are taken care of? | 确保学生的需求得到照顾? |
| 129 | That's where it needs to lie. | 这就是它需要说谎的地方。 |
| 130 | But if they don't have the funding, if they don't | 但是,如果他们没有资金,如果他们没有 |
| 131 | have the support from Congress to continue to appropriate that money, then | 有国会的支持 继续拨款,然后 |
| 132 | that's where the students can really fall through the cracks. | 学生们能从裂缝里掉下来 |
| 133 | Okay, so let's talk about funding. | 好吧,让我们谈谈资金。 |
| 134 | Let's focus on funding. | 让我们集中资金。 |
| 135 | There are a lot of Republicans, including many state officials, education officials | 共和党人很多,包括许多州官员,教育官员. |
| 136 | in particular, who want you to change Title I grants for students in low income | 特别是,谁希望您改变标题一 拨款给低收入学生 |
| 137 | or low performing areas into what's known as block grants, which is just a lump sum | 或低效地区 进入所谓的块状补助金, 这只是一笔总付 |
| 138 | of money with no strings attached. | 钱,没有附加条件。 |
| 139 | Now there are some advocates, some experts | 现在有一些律师,一些专家 |
| 140 | who think that that no strings attached concept will mean that the money won't | 他们认为,没有附加关系的概念 意味着钱不会 |
| 141 | get to those who need it. | 去找那些需要帮助的人 |
| 142 | It could end up with also larger class sizes, fewer | 可能还会更大规模,更少 |
| 143 | after school programs, fewer resources. | 课后计划, 更少的资源。 |
| 144 | How do you do a block? | 你怎么样? |
| 145 | And first of all, | 首先,我们... |
| 146 | I guess the question is, do you want to do that block grant? | 我想问题是,你想做 块补助? |
| 147 | That's one of the suggestions. | 这是其中一项建议。 |
| 148 | And as I've talked to governors around the | 我和州长谈过了 |
| 149 | country, many governors, Governor Youngkin in Virginia, who said, you know, | 许多州长,弗吉尼亚州州长杨金说 |
| 150 | clearly, I think that we have eyes on the education in our states. | 很明显,我认为我们看到 我们各州的教育。 |
| 151 | And if we | 如果我们 |
| 152 | have the funding that we know how to spend it, where to spend it without the | 拥有我们知道如何花它的资金, 在哪里花它没有 |
| 153 | government trying to say from their bureaucratic perch in Washington, this | 政府试图从华盛顿的官僚作风中说, |
| 154 | is where you should be spending that money. | 你应该把钱花在那里 |
| 155 | And Governor Youngkin or other | 还有英金总督 |
| 156 | governors could say, no, but if I take that money and I spend it in this | 州长可以说,不,但如果我拿了钱,我花在这 |
| 157 | district or I spend it over here for teacher salaries or I spend it here, I'm | 区或我花在这里为教师薪水 或者我花在这里,我 |
| 158 | going to raise the level of education in my state. | 将提高我州教育水平。 |
| 159 | I'm the one with the bird's eye | 我才是有鸟眼的人 |
| 160 | view, and I'm the one with the accountability. | 我才是负责的人 |
| 161 | How do you, on the one | 你怎么样,一个 |
| 162 | hand, say that the federal government is still in the business of, which is still | 说联邦政府仍在经营中, |
| 163 | law, protecting those students with disabilities, for example, and then send | 法律,例如保护残疾学生,然后发送 |
| 164 | money without any guarantee that that's where the federal dollars, federal | 钱没有任何保证 那就是联邦美元,联邦 |
| 165 | taxpayer dollars will go? | 纳税人的钱会走吗? |
| 166 | Oh, well, let's be sure that we're understanding when you're talking about | 哦,好吧,让我们确定 我们理解 当你谈论 |
| 167 | Title I versus IDEA money, which is the money that is being passed by Congress | 标题一对EIDO钱,这是国会通过的钱 |
| 168 | for students with disabilities, that will go for that purpose. | 对于残疾学生,将为此而努力。 |
| 169 | That won't be block granted. | 这不会被阻止的 |
| 170 | That's not going to be block granted in with Title I money. | 这不会被阻止 与标题I的钱。 |
| 171 | No, that's | 不,这是 |
| 172 | separate money that would go because they would clearly have that | 分钱去 因为他们显然有 |
| 173 | responsibility to make sure that money does get to those students. | 负责确保这些学生得到资金。 |
| 174 | I mean, that's an important distinction. | 我的意思是,这是一个重要的区别。 |
| 175 | Oh, it's a very important distinction. | 哦,这是一个非常重要的区别。 |
| 176 | I don't think that was clear to people. | 我觉得这对人们来说不太清楚 |
| 177 | That's a very important distinction. | 这是一个非常重要的区别。 |
| 178 | Just on the idea of Congress, you mentioned this, that the president wants | 在国会的想法上 你提到过 总统想要 |
| 179 | to move the student loan program to the Small Business Administration, which you | 将学生贷款计划 转到小企业管理局,您可以 |
| 180 | were in charge of in the last Trump term, and then move others to HHS. | 在上届特朗普任期中负责,然后将其他人转移到HHS. |
| 181 | Why do you think President Trump has the legal authority to do that when these | 你觉得川普总统为什么有合法权力这么做? |
| 182 | programs are inside your department through a law of Congress? | 通过国会法律 节目都在你的部门里? |
| 183 | Well, certainly President Trump has said he will move things in accordance with | 当然,川普总统说过他会按照 |
| 184 | the law and in cooperation with Congress. | 法律和与国会合作。 |
| 185 | He certainly knows that if there are statutes or laws that are governing | 他当然知道,如果有法规或法律来规范 |
| 186 | where they need to be, we'll have to abide by the law. | 他们需要的地方, 我们必须遵守法律。 |
| 187 | Tingo. | 丁果(原变种). |
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