真正幸福是什么？“幸福课”教授批判“教授幸福” | 2026
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| 0:01 | It's great to have, you know, great sex and hot fudge sundaes, but ultimately true happiness | 伟大的,你知道的,伟大的性 和热软糖圣代, 但最终真正的幸福 |
| 0:06 | probably comes from what we do with others and building a broader good life. | 可能来自我们如何对待他人 以及建立一个更广泛的美好生活。 |
| 0:14 | 我是Lulu Garcia Navarro 今天我要采访Laurie Santos医生 | |
| 0:19 | Dr. Santos is a scientist who teaches the most popular class in Yale's history, a class | 桑托斯博士是一位科学家 他教授耶鲁历史上最受欢迎的课 一个课 |
| 0:25 | on happiness. | 关于幸福。 |
| 0:26 | It's funny when we think about happiness because I think we do kind of think of it as a destination, | 我们考虑幸福的时候很有趣 因为我觉得我们确实把它看作是目的地 |
| 0:29 | but we don't think of that with other good things in life. | 但是我们没有想到 生活中其他好东西。 |
| 0:32 | Through her podcast, The Happiness Lab, and her free online course called The Science | 通过她的播客, 幸福实验室, 和她的免费在线课程 叫科学 |
| 0:37 | of Well-Being, Santos's reach has extended well beyond the Yale classroom, offering research | 桑托斯的影响力远远超出了耶鲁的课堂 提供研究 |
| 0:42 | back tips and conversations for how to feel happier. | 回来的小费和谈话 如何感到快乐。 |
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| 1 | It's great to have, you know, great sex and hot fudge sundaes, but ultimately true happiness | 伟大的,你知道的,伟大的性 和热软糖圣代, 但最终真正的幸福 |
| 2 | probably comes from what we do with others and building a broader good life. | 可能来自我们如何对待他人 以及建立一个更广泛的美好生活。 |
| 3 | 我是Lulu Garcia Navarro 今天我要采访Laurie Santos医生 | |
| 4 | Dr. Santos is a scientist who teaches the most popular class in Yale's history, a class | 桑托斯博士是一位科学家 他教授耶鲁历史上最受欢迎的课 一个课 |
| 5 | on happiness. | 关于幸福。 |
| 6 | It's funny when we think about happiness because I think we do kind of think of it as a destination, | 我们考虑幸福的时候很有趣 因为我觉得我们确实把它看作是目的地 |
| 7 | but we don't think of that with other good things in life. | 但是我们没有想到 生活中其他好东西。 |
| 8 | Through her podcast, The Happiness Lab, and her free online course called The Science | 通过她的播客, 幸福实验室, 和她的免费在线课程 叫科学 |
| 9 | of Well-Being, Santos's reach has extended well beyond the Yale classroom, offering research | 桑托斯的影响力远远超出了耶鲁的课堂 提供研究 |
| 10 | back tips and conversations for how to feel happier. | 回来的小费和谈话 如何感到快乐。 |
| 11 | I think we really just definitionally think of happiness as about me, me, me. | 我认为我们真的只是 定义性地认为幸福 像我,我,我。 |
| 12 | And so much of the science and so much of this classic wisdom tells us, no, it's not. | 很多科学以及这些经典的智慧告诉我们, 不,它不是。 |
| 13 | But what exactly is happiness? | 但究竟什么是快乐? |
| 14 | Here's my conversation with Dr. Laurie Santos. | 这是我和劳里·桑托斯医生的谈话 |
| 15 | Thank you so much for being here. | 谢谢你能来 |
| 16 | I'm so glad you could join me. | 很高兴你能加入我 |
| 17 | Thanks so much for having me on this show. | 谢谢你让我参加这个节目 |
| 18 | I'm such a big fan, so this is such a treat. | 我是一个大粉丝, 所以,这是这样的招待。 |
| 19 | I am going to start in a bit of a strange place because like so many people in the world, | 我将开始在一个有点奇怪的地方 因为像世界上这么多人, |
| 20 | I was really obsessed with the story of Punch the Monkey and that little monkey in Japan | 我对日本的猴子和猴子的故事很着迷 |
| 21 | whose mother sort of rejected him and he had no one to socialize with, so he adopted that | 他的母亲拒绝了他, 他没有一个人可以和他交往, 所以他采纳了 |
| 22 | IKEA monkey toy. | 宜家猴玩具(原变种). |
| 23 | And I have a theory about Punch that connects to happiness, and I wanted to put it to you | 我有一个理论 关于Punch 连接幸福, 我想把它给你 |
| 24 | because apart from being a happiness expert, you also study animal cognition and you started | 因为除了做一个快乐专家之外,你还研究动物认知,开始 |
| 25 | your work with monkeys. | 你对猴子的工作。 |
| 26 | Literally everyone that I know sent me information about Punch. | 所有我认识的人都给我发了Punch的信息 |
| 27 | I was like getting in real time what was happening with Punch. | 我就像得到实时 发生了什么事与Punch。 |
| 28 | I was really thinking about why so many people around the world connected with Punch's inability | 我真的在想 为什么全世界这么多人 都跟庞奇的无能有关 |
| 29 | to form relationships. | 组成关系。 |
| 30 | And you've long said that the bonds with other people are one of the building blocks of happiness. | 你早就说过,与其他人的纽带 是幸福的基石之一。 |
| 31 | It's one of the most important things that we can do. | 这是最重要的事情之一 我们能做到。 |
| 32 | But especially here in the U.S., those bonds were fraying, and I think we just saw some | 但是,特别是在美国, 这些债券在发酵, 我想我们刚刚看到一些 |
| 33 | of ourselves in Punch. | 在冲浪中 |
| 34 | Do you think I may be right? | 你觉得我是对的吗? |
| 35 | Yeah, I think so. | 是的,我想是这样。 |
| 36 | I mean, I think, you know, it was fascinating to see just how much emotion people showed | 我的意思是,我觉得,你知道, 这是令人着迷的 看到多少情绪 人们显示 |
| 37 | about Punch, which I think is funny because sometimes we see news stories about the pain | 关于Punch 我觉得这很有趣 因为有时候我们看到关于痛苦的新闻 |
| 38 | of other actual humans, and we don't show that much compassion, right? | 我们没有表现出多少同情心,对吧? |
| 39 | But I think talking about the loneliness crisis through a monkey, like through this poor little | 但我想谈谈孤独危机 通过一只猴子, 像通过这个可怜的小 |
| 40 | monkey that didn't do anything, it wasn't really his fault, I think that really allowed | 猴子没有做任何事情, 这不是真的他的错, 我认为这真的允许 |
| 41 | us a way to talk about the loneliness crisis and to feel it and admit it in ourselves in | 我们来谈谈孤独危机 感受和承认 |
| 42 | a way that wasn't as shameful. | 一种没有那么可耻的方式。 |
| 43 | You know, I spent a lot of time in advance of this conversation really thinking about | 你知道,我花了很多时间 在此之前,这次谈话 真的思考 |
| 44 | the nature of happiness, and I want to start by digging into just what happiness is and | 幸福的本质, 我想从挖掘什么是幸福开始 |
| 45 | maybe do some basic defining of terms because I went down a few rabbit holes. | 也许做一些基本的术语定义 因为我去了几个兔子洞。 |
| 46 | You can. | 你当然可以 |
| 47 | It's very easy to do with this term in particular. | 特别是这个名词就很容易了. |
| 48 | And so as I discovered, lots of philosophers have tackled the question of happiness going | 正如我所发现的 很多哲学家 都研究过幸福的发展 |
| 49 | back to ancient Greece, and there's two main types of happiness according to ancient Greek | 回到古希腊 根据古希腊语 幸福有两大类 |
| 50 | philosophers as far as I could tell, and one is hedonic and the other one is eudaemonic. | 据我所知,哲学家们, 一个是狂妄,另一个是夸夸其谈。 |
| 51 | Can you explain what that is, what the difference is, what they were sort of looking at back | 你能解释一下这是什么,什么是区别, 他们是什么样子的回头看 |
| 52 | then? | 怎么样? |
| 53 | Yeah, yeah, yeah. | 对,对,对 |
| 54 | So hedonic happiness, I think is what a lot of lay people mean when they mean happiness. | 所以我认为,很多非专业的人 是指幸福。 |
| 55 | That's just like a sense of good feeling, right? | 这就像一种良好的感觉,对不对? |
| 56 | That's your personal pleasure. | 那是你个人的荣幸 |
| 57 | That's like the difference between eating a hot fudge sundae or stubbing your toe, right? | 这就像吃热软糖圣代 或刺脚趾之间的区别,对不对? |
| 58 | Like there's something that it feels like to feel like things are good. | 就像有些东西它感觉 感觉事情是好的。 |
| 59 | And often when we're thinking of a hedonic pleasure, we're thinking of the real basic | 常常当我们想着一种喜悦时, 我们想到真正的基本 |
| 60 | stuff that evolution built in, you know, good food, good sex, a feeling of like accomplishment. | 进化造就的东西,你知道, 良好的食物,良好的性, 一种像成就的感觉。 |
| 61 | Like these are the things that matter for us. | 像这些东西对我们很重要。 |
| 62 | Eudaemonic happiness is bigger. | 尤达米尼的快乐更大 |
| 63 | It's really about living a good life. | 这真的是关于过一个好生活。 |
| 64 | It's about happiness that comes not just from your own success, your own pleasure, but from | 不仅仅是因为你的成功 也是因为你的快乐 |
| 65 | other people, from like actually building character. | 其他人,从像 实际建立的角色。 |
| 66 | And if you look back at the ancients, folks like Aristotle and so on, they knew about | 如果你回过头来看古人, 亚里士多德之类的人, 他们知道 |
| 67 | both, but when push came to shove, they were like, go for the eudaemonic happiness, right? | 但当推来推去, 他们喜欢,去 eudaemonic快乐,对不对? |
| 68 | That is really, it's really about. | 这是真的,这是真的。 |
| 69 | They thought of like happiness as really synonymous with building character, doing nice stuff | 他们把幸福当做创造性格的同义词 做好事 |
| 70 | for others, civic virtue, it was much more like happiness as virtue. | 对其他人来说,公民的美德, 它更像是幸福的美德。 |
| 71 | And when you look at the modern science, like this tension comes up, right? | 当你看现代科学, 就像这种张力 出现,对不对? |
| 72 | And a lot of the interventions I talk about with my students, and maybe we'll even talk | 我和学生谈了很多话 也许我们甚至可以谈谈 |
| 73 | about today, there's a real question about which type of happiness we're building up. | 关于今天,有一个真正的问题 关于什么样的幸福 我们正在建立。 |
| 74 | And I think where the research falls is saying that like, if we want to do this well, we | 我认为研究的落点就是说 如果我们想做得好 |
| 75 | 可能更多的是 eudaemonic的东西。 | |
| 76 | That's the stuff we don't get used to. | 这是我们不习惯的东西。 |
| 77 | That's the stuff where we get kind of more bang for our buck in terms of interventions | 就是这样,我们得到 那种更多的爆炸 为我们的钱在干预方面 |
| 78 | and time and so on. | 时间等等 |
| 79 | But all too often, when you look on the internet, if you look at social media influencers, when | 但很多时候,当你在互联网上, 如果你看社交媒体的影响者, |
| 80 | they're talking about happiness, they usually mean the hedonic stuff. | 他们谈论的是幸福, 他们通常是指 喜剧的东西。 |
| 81 | And that's great. | 这是伟大的。 |
| 82 | I mean, it's great to have great sex and hot fudge Sundays, but ultimately, true happiness, | 我的意思是,这是伟大的,有伟大的性 和热柔软的星期天, 但最终,真正的幸福, |
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