【AI编程】构建真正有效的软件工厂 · 四步法完整课程

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【AI编程】构建真正有效的软件工厂 · 四步法完整课程 p01 中英字幕 (P1)

发布于 2026-09-21 · 时长 31:29

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时间	英文	中文
0:00	What are software factories and why is it going viral?	软件工厂是什么 为什么会是病毒?
0:03	I mean, it's basically this concept that allows you to use AI agents to actually ship	我的意思是,它基本上是这个概念 允许你使用AI代理 实际运送
0:08	Software that isn't sloppy at all that is more like a factory more like think about an assembly line	完全不草率的软件 更像是工厂 更像是想装配线
0:15	And you're just instead of building physical products you're building software and that's kind of the dream	而你只是代替建造 实物产品 你正在建造软件 这就是一种梦想
0:21	I mean if you're able to just create this factory that builds software and it's valuable	我是说如果你能创造出一个制造软件的工厂 那很有价值的
0:26	Software and you can create multiple apps that generate revenue and add value to people's lives that sounds pretty good to me	软件和你可以创建多个应用程序 创造收入 增加人们的生活价值
0:34	So in today's episode I brought on Ross Mike and he clearly explains the entire process by the end of this episode	所以在今天的剧集里 我给罗斯・麦克带来了 他清楚地解释了整个过程
0:40	You're gonna understand how to set your own software factory up yourself.	你会明白怎么建立你自己的软件厂
0:44	So enjoy the episode	享受这集吧
0:45	I can't wait to see what you build	我迫不及待的想看你造什么

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序号	英文	中文
1	What are software factories and why is it going viral?	软件工厂是什么 为什么会是病毒?
2	I mean, it's basically this concept that allows you to use AI agents to actually ship	我的意思是,它基本上是这个概念 允许你使用AI代理 实际运送
3	Software that isn't sloppy at all that is more like a factory more like think about an assembly line	完全不草率的软件 更像是工厂 更像是想装配线
4	And you're just instead of building physical products you're building software and that's kind of the dream	而你只是代替建造 实物产品 你正在建造软件 这就是一种梦想
5	I mean if you're able to just create this factory that builds software and it's valuable	我是说如果你能创造出一个制造软件的工厂 那很有价值的
6	Software and you can create multiple apps that generate revenue and add value to people's lives that sounds pretty good to me	软件和你可以创建多个应用程序 创造收入 增加人们的生活价值
7	So in today's episode I brought on Ross Mike and he clearly explains the entire process by the end of this episode	所以在今天的剧集里 我给罗斯・麦克带来了 他清楚地解释了整个过程
8	You're gonna understand how to set your own software factory up yourself.	你会明白怎么建立你自己的软件厂
9	So enjoy the episode	享受这集吧
10	I can't wait to see what you build	我迫不及待的想看你造什么
11	There's a reason why this concept is going viral and I'll see you at the end today's episode is brought to you by Brex	有个原因,这个概念是病毒化的, 我会看到你在今天的结尾 剧集由Brex带来给你
12	My company's been on Brex for a year and a half and I started because I kept hearing companies like Vercel open AI	我的公司在Brex上已经一年半了 我开始是因为我一直听到公司的声音 像Vercel打开AI
13	Anthropic were using Brex and I figured if they're using it why shouldn't die?	Anthropic在使用Brex 我想如果他们在使用它 为什么不应该死?
14	It's been a game changer.	这已经是一个游戏的改变者。
15	The thing that got me is how smooth it is.	我得到的东西是 它是多么的光滑。
16	It's got high-limit cards.	有高限牌.
17	It's got banking	有银行业务
18	It's got AI that handles the back office busy work like expense reports, which I don't want to do on its own	它有AI,处理后 办公室繁忙的工作 像开支报告, 我不想自己做
19	It's really just built for this agentic world if you're building something new	它真的只是为这个代理世界建造 如果你正在建造新的东西
20	It's time to get Brex check it out at brex.com solutions start-ups link in the description	是时候让Brex在描述中的 brex.com 解决方案启动链接中检查出来
21	Mickey welcome back to the pod by the end of this episode.	米奇欢迎回到舱 本集结束。
22	What are people gonna learn?	人们会学到什么?
23	We're gonna understand what this bizarre phrase software factory means.	我们要明白这个奇怪的词 软件厂的意思。
24	I'm actually gonna show you how I run mine	我其实是要告诉你 我如何运行我的
25	It's a lot easier than you think and it's definitely model and harness agnostic	比你想象的要简单得多 而且绝对是模型和不可知论
26	So you don't have to purchase some different product to have a software factory.	所以你不需要购买一些不同的产品来拥有一个软件厂.
27	It's gonna be fun and it's gonna be simple	会很有趣的 很简单
28	okay, so you're gonna explain what it is why it matters how it works how to think about it by the end of this people are	好吧,所以你要去解释它是什么 它是什么重要 它如何工作 如何思考到这些人的结尾
29	just gonna be able to	只是会是能够
30	Boot up their own software factory if they want or if they think you know what this Ross Mike guide	如果他们想或者他们觉得你知道罗斯・麦克的指南
31	I don't I don't like software factories.	我不喜欢软件厂
32	I don't like what he's saying they can pass	我不喜欢他说他们能通过的东西
33	100% 100%
34	With the term software factory, there's been a lot of like startups who've started and you know	随着软件厂这个术语, 有很多像初创企业 谁已经开始,你知道
35	I'm not here to knock anyone's hustle	我不是来敲别人的
36	But a software factory is	但是一个软件厂
37	Completely harness and model agnostic meaning it doesn't matter what model you use	完全使用和模型 不可知论的意思 它并不重要 你使用什么模型
38	It doesn't matter what harness you use	你用什么绳子不重要
39	It should work right because a software factory is more about someone's workflow skills and domain knowledge and it's packed up in	它应该是正确的,因为一个软件厂 更多关于某人的工作流程技能和域知识 并包装在
40	Specific skills that they use in their development process now	他们现在在发展进程中使用的具体技能
41	I want everyone to think like the last after the ability probably went on codex Claude code curse or whatever it is	我希望每个人都能像上次那样思考 可能是因为Claude的密码诅咒
42	And you just typed right you said I want to build this and it built it out for you	你刚刚打的对 你说我想建这个 它为你建造
43	You saw it and you didn't like it and then you made some changes right and you saw the changes	你看到它,你不喜欢它 然后你做了一些改变的权利,你看到了变化
44	Maybe you liked it you deployed it to Vercellar to production and you're good to go or you keep kept on iterating	或许你喜欢它,你部署它到Vercellar生产 你可以走了,或者你继续延展
45	That's the process the whole point of a software factory is in each step of the development process	软件厂在开发过程中的每一个步骤 都有一个过程
46	How can I best maximize the models capability to get the greatest output right and also?	我怎样才能最好地最大化模型能力 以获得最伟大的输出正确和同样?
47	How can I move fast right because if we're using the term factory?	我怎么能快速行动呢? 因为如果我们在用工厂这个词?
48	There's some sort of structure and speed and conveyor belt nature that allows me to ship as quick as possible	有某种结构 速度和传送带 允许我尽快运送
49	without losing quality	不失去质量
50	That's the long bloated Michael Shamalis translate a definition of software factory.	这就是长期膨胀的迈克尔·沙马利斯翻译软件厂的定义.
51	I haven't lost anyone.	我没有失去任何人。
52	Hopefully Greg.	希望是格雷格,你喜欢吗?
53	That was perfect	这是完美的
54	Okay, so understood, but like why does that matter the reason why it matters is?	好吧,所以理解, 但为什么它很重要的原因?
55	Intelligence is continuing to increase we have amazing models like GPT 6 Astra a good software factory allows you	情报在继续增加 我们有GPT 6 Astra等惊人的模型 一个好的软件厂允许你
56	To systemize and use these models in a very efficient way	以非常高效的方式系统化和使用这些模型
57	Versus just typing in and continue to go back and forth and I think it's better.	Versus只是打字 并继续回转 我觉得这样更好
58	I just show you how mine works	我只是告诉你我的功用
59	To give people an idea now.	给人们一个想法。
60	I'll give my skills are available for free	我会免费给自己的技能
61	No charge nothing like that, but I don't want you to blindly copy me	不要这样收费 但我不希望你盲目抄袭我
62	I would like for you to think about it understand the process and then apply it yourself	我想让你们考虑一下 了解这个过程 然后自己应用
63	That being said I have	这么说,我有
64	About five or six files that make my software factory	大约5到6个文件 使我的软件厂
65	I have an agents dot MD file and for everyone who might not be aware with for age what an agents dot MD file is	我有一个特工点MD文件, 对于每个可能不知道年龄的人来说 特工点MD文件是什么
66	It's basically this one document this one markdown file.	基本上就是这个文件 这个减记文件
67	That's injected into the system prompt	注射到系统上
68	That's inject sorry not in the system prompt that's injected into the agent chat every time you communicate with an agent	你每次和特工联络时 都会输入代理聊天的系统提示
69	So every time I say hi if there's an agents dot MD file before the high is sent the agents dot MD file is set	所以每次我问候,如果有 代理点MD文件之前的 高级被发送 代理点MD文件被设定
70	And what's cool about this file is I can sort of dictate how I want the agent to act	这个文件最酷的就是 我可以决定我要特工如何行动
71	And we actually did a video not too long ago Greg where I talked about most people's agent dot MD file is useless	事实上,我们做了一个视频 不久之前,格雷格 在那里我谈到 大多数人的代理点MD文件是无用的
72	Because they were telling the agent empty file what the code looked like and already information	因为他们告诉代理空文件 代码是什么样子和已经的信息
73	That's in the code base that the agent can already know about but if you look at mine	这在密码底部 特工已经知道了 但是如果你看看我
74	There's a simple workflow and this workflow is something that's not native to the agent	有个简单的工作流程 这个工作流程对特工来说不是本体的
75	So it explains clearly how to do it and I'll walk you through every single step.	所以,它清楚地解释了如何做到这一点, 我会走你的每一步。
76	The first step is isolate	第一步是隔离
77	There's a skill called new feature and this is what it does.	有一种技能叫做新特征 这就是它的作用。
78	It says every new feature	上面写着每个新特点
79	Starts in a fresh get work tree branched from origin main so agents can work in parallel without conflicts	开始从源头开始 工作树分支 这样代理商可以平行工作而无冲突
80	Never built on me.	从来没有建立在我身上。
81	And if you know when Michael is on Greg's channel	如果你知道迈克尔何时在格雷格频道
82	There's always diagram.	总是有图。
83	So we're about to draw so with the first step when I'm working on a project and	所以,我们即将画出这样的第一步 当我在做一个项目和
84	I tell it to work on a feature	我告诉它工作 一个特色
85	the first thing it's going to do is isolate and what this basically means is you can think of	首先它要做的是隔离 这基本上意味着你能想到
86	Greg and Mike's app you can think of Greg's and Mike app like the journey being you know	格雷格和迈克的应用 你可以想到格雷格和迈克的应用 就像旅程 你知道
87	We started here.	我们从这里开始的。
88	We started prompting here and this is when we launched a production.	我们开始在这里催促,这是当我们推出一个生产。
89	We've got thousands of customers	我们有成千上万的顾客
90	The way most people work with their agents is at every single step of the journey they're building a feature	大多数人的工作方式 与他们的代理 是在旅程的每一步 他们正在建立一个特色
91	They're building a feature.	他们正在打造一个特色。
92	They're building a feature and it's it's a very linear process	他们正在构建一个特征, 这是一个非常线性的过程
93	right one feature at a time one feature at a time one feature at a time and	右一个特性 一次一个特性 一次一个特性
94	If you ever try to work part like like with on multiple features the same time.	如果你曾经尝试像工作一样 在多个特征上 同时。
95	Sometimes there's conflicts	有时有冲突
96	There's issues people have you know, oh my agent deleted this file that overwrote this file	有问题 人们知道, 哦,我的经纪人删除了 这个文件,
97	What this first step isolate does is the following I'm going to show via diagram	第一步的隔离是 我要通过图表来显示
98	So let's say Greg was like, I really don't like our landing page and I'm telling Greg, you know our	因此,让我们假设格雷格喜欢, 我真的不喜欢我们的登陆页 我告诉格雷格,你知道我们的
99	Our API calls can be faster when Greg works on this feature	我们的API电话可以更快 当Greg工作在这个功能上
100	What the agent does using my agents dot MD is it's going to create a new branch and you can think of a branch as	特工使用我的特工点MD 会建立一个新的分支 你可以认为分支
101	a copy paste of the exact moment where the app is	应用程序的确切时间的复制粘贴
102	So Greg is going to work on a new branch a new work tree of the app a work tree is basically a	所以Greg要在一个新的分支上工作 一个应用的新工作树 一个工作树基本上是一个
103	Copy of the app like you can think of someone copying a block of text	复制应用程序,就像你能想到有人 复制一个块的文本
104	Pacing it in a new document working on that document and at some point going to merge it back in the original document	把它放在一份新文件中,处理该文件,并在某个时候将其重新合并到原始文件中
105	So that's what Greg is doing.	Greg就是这么做的
106	He has a new document working on that feature	他有一份新文件正在研究这个功能
107	And guess what Mike has another feature has to work on so I can do it at the same time or I could do it a	猜猜迈克有另一个功能 需要工作 所以我可以同时做到这一点 或者我可以做到这一点
108	Different time I now have my own branch	不同的时间,我现在有自己的分支
109	Here's what's cool	这是很酷的
110	me and Greg and another person or you yourself with 50 different agents can work on multiple features and	我和Greg 还有另一个人 或者你和50个不同的特工 可以研究多种特征
111	There's not going to be an issue of one agent overstepping on another agents work	不会有一个问题 一个特工越位 另一个特工的工作
112	This happens a lot to people if you ever see tweets Greg of people saying man	如果你看到Greg说男人的微博 这种事对人们来说很常见
113	Like I was working on this and the agent deleted a bunch of stuff almost always	好像我在忙这个 经纪人几乎总是删掉一堆东西
114	Because people have their agents working on different features on the same branch and	因为人们有他们的代理人 在同一个分支和
115	The agent will do what you tell it to do	探员会照你的话去做
116	So you told it to update the landing page, but then you also told it to make the API calls faster	所以,你告诉它更新登陆页, 但你也告诉它 使API呼叫更快
117	And now it's noticing all these pages the way they're calling the API suck	现在它注意到所有这些页 他们叫API烂
118	Let me delete these and write these again, but then it was working on a design on that page.	让我去删掉这些,再写一遍, 但后来它正在研究那页的设计。
119	So issue start to arise	所以问题开始出现
120	Isolate allows me to work on multiple features at the same time	孤立让我同时研究多个特性
121	Parallelly without having an agent overstep on an agent.	同时,没有代理人越位。
122	This is the first step of my workflow	这是我工作流程的第一步
123	This isn't native to the agent.	这对特工来说不是本地人
124	So this makes sense to exist in	因此,这是有道理的存在于
125	the agents.md file and when	代理 . md 文件及何时
126	Greg is done or when I'm done and I'll explain like the workflow for this	Greg说完了 或者我说完了 我会解释的
127	Just to close the loop when Mike's done all I do is	麦克完成后,我就会关闭这个圈子
128	Merge these changes back and then what Greg's done	把这些变化合并起来 然后Greg做了什么
129	He can either do it before me or he can do it after me	他要么在我之前做 要么在我之后做
130	But we're merging into the into the main	但是,我们合并到主
131	Document and there's not going to be conflicts because we worked on a copy at first	文件和不会有冲突 因为我们刚开始就研究了一本
132	So this allows me to ship fast with multiple agents if I show you and I can maybe show here if I show you my	所以,这允许我与多个特工一起快船 如果我告诉你,我可以在这里,如果我告诉你我的
133	terminal if you notice there's	如果你注意到的话,结束
134	Four tabs of bezel up three of them finished	四块薄饼,三块
135	But I literally have four different features on the same exact app one's working on an email client	但我实际上有四个不同的功能 在同一个准确的应用 一个工作 在电子邮件客户端
136	The other one is working on a computer environment a Linux environment	另一个是Linux的电脑环境
137	The other one is doing a landing page update so I can work on these confidently while still having isolation	另一个正在更新登陆页 这样我就可以在保持隔离的同时 自信地研究这些
138	It's not native to the agent this agents.md plus the new feature skill	代理商不是本地人 这个代理商是Md 加上新的特技
139	Allows me to do that.	允许我这样做。
140	I'll pause here any questions Greg so far.	我会暂停任何问题 Greg到目前为止。
141	Yeah, I mean it's	是啊,我是说
142	Like crystal clear.	如结晶清净.
143	I think it's the way I think about it is if you actually had a team of	我想这就是我想的 如果你真的有一支队伍
144	Engineers and you are trying to build an app you obviously wouldn't be	工程师和你们想制造一个应用软件 显然你不会
145	Building it all on main and having everyone just being pushing to main and stuff like that.	把它全部建在主上, 让每个人只是推向主 之类的东西。
146	That just doesn't make sense.	这根本说不通
147	I think	我觉得
148	You know, I'm non-technical	你知道,我不是技术的
149	And I think you have all of a sudden all these non-technical people starting to build apps and	我认为你突然有这些非技术人士 开始制造应用软件
150	They're running into this, you know, you you basically made mention you're kind of like oh, hey, man	他们正遇到这个,你知道,你基本上 提到你有点像哦,嘿,男人
151	Like sometimes it happens that agents overwrite stuff	碞钩Τ 牡贝穦
152	I mean the truth is 95% of the time if you're built it you're gonna have agents kind of mess up and	我的意思是,真相是95%的时间 如果你建造它,你会有 特工那种混乱,
153	Overwrite things so this is like to me this you know makes a lot of sense and it's sort of a bigger idea	覆盖事物,这样对我来说, 这你知道很多道理, 这是一个更大的想法
154	Which is how do you structure?	你是如何构建的?
155	Your you know the way you work with agents to be more like a team versus	你知道你和特工们合作的方式 更像是团队对抗
156	You know, yeah, no just more like a team.	你知道,是的,不再像一个团队。
157	Yeah, I mean and I mean it's a better name	是啊,我的意思是,它是一个更好的名字
158	Team is better than isolate.	团队胜过孤立
159	I might take the team, but that's	我可能会带球队,但那是
160	That's why I'm the marketer and you're the	所以我是推销员 而你是
161	engineer	工程师
162	But yeah, that's basically what it is, right?	但是,是的,这基本上是它是什么,对不对?
163	Isolate sounds like some sort of like whey protein that I'm	隔离听起来像 某种杂草蛋白
164	So if you guys check the link there will be a name update very soon	所以,如果你们检查链接 很快会有名字更新
165	But that's basically what this does it allows for me to have multiple agents working on different tasks all at the same time	但基本上这能让我有多个特工 同时执行不同的任务
166	Without overstepping each other right and there's also a cleanup process	没有越位的权利 也有清理的过程
167	I won't get into like once the branch like once the work is emerged in the work tree gets deleted all that type of stuff	工作树上出现的时候 我就不会像树枝一样被删掉
168	Happened so that's step number one number two is the actual building	事情是这样的 第一步第二步是实际建筑
169	And this I find has this was a skill that I shared originally way back	我发现,这是 一种技能,我分享了最初的方式
170	But now it's part of my workflow and I shared with everyone is code structure	但现在这是我工作流程的一部分 我和大家分享的是代码结构
171	We're going to talk about models soon	我们马上就要谈模特了
172	but one thing about	但有一点
173	The models is they are great at doing the work	模特儿很擅长工作
174	It just might not be done the best way right especially when writing code	特别是写代码的时候 可能不是最好的方式
175	There's for example fable is I would say one of the first models to really	举例来说,有寓言,我会说 最早的模型之一 真的
176	Write code that I would say huh like this is better than some of the best engineers	写代码,我会说,嗯 这样比一些最好的工程师好
177	I've seen right like fable runs writes really good code	我见过像寓言一样的跑步 写得非常好
178	But even Astro, which is workhorse most powerful model my favorite model some of the code quality decisions	但即使是Astro,它是最强大的模型 我最喜欢的模型 一些代码质量决定
179	It makes is and it's not that the models not capable	它制造的,不是 模型不能
180	The models is just getting it done and if it could get it done in the sloppy way	模特儿只是把事情办好 如果能用草率的方式
181	It'll get it done in the sloppy way what the code structure skill does it writes it in what's called a service layer?	它会以草率的方式完成它 它的代码结构技巧 把它写在所谓的服务层?
182	Architecture won't bore everyone, but basically it's written in a way where let's say you have you needed human intervention	建筑不会让所有人厌烦 但基本上写的方式 可以说你需要人类的干预
183	You hired a developer very easy for the developer to catch on or you yourself are a developer very easy for you to catch on	你雇了一个开发商 很容易让开发商赶上 或者你自己是开发商 很容易让你赶上
184	But even for your agents for them to come back to the code and read the code	但即使你的特工 让他们回到密码 并读到密码
185	They'll be like oh like yeah like it makes sense like I've had like I've had	他们会像哦,是的,就像它有道理 我曾经有过一样
186	5.6 soul write code and it works it does what it's supposed to do	5.6 灵魂写代码,它能做它应该做的
187	But then I'll have fable review the code and fable will be like this is disgusting like there's duplications	但我会有寓言审查 代码和寓言会像这恶心 像有重复
188	There's functions all over the place.	到处都有功能.
189	There's dead code right so just because it works doesn't mean it's written well this skill	密码是死字的,不代表写得很好
190	Gives the agent a guideline on how to write code so going back to this diagram again	给代理人一个如何写代码的指引,这样又回到这个图表
191	I'm working on a new feature right the first thing that happens is isolate the second thing that happens	我在研究一个新的功能,第一件事就是隔离第二件事
192	is and I'm gonna I hope people are seeing the	我希望人们能看到
193	Factory nature of it the second thing that happens is the building and in building we're using a skill called	它的工厂性质 第二件事发生 建筑和建筑 我们使用一种技能叫做
194	Code structure and basically in this process when I'm telling the agent Oh build me	密码结构 基本上在这个过程中 当我告诉经纪人 吴建我
195	This Andy page build me this feature for example	安迪的这个页面给我建了这个功能 比如说
196	I've been working on this app and the one feature that I wanted built is I wanted a skills like	我一直在研究这个应用,我想要的其中一个特点 就是我想要一种技能
197	Repository where I can have different agents of mine connect to this app and store the skills	仓库,我可以有 不同的代理人 我的连接到这个应用程序 存储技能
198	And I basically told the agent build me that and as it was writing the code it kept referencing the code structure	我基本上告诉经纪人 建造我, 当它写代码时 它一直引用代码结构
199	Skill so it started to write code in a way that me as a developer I can review	Skill 这样它开始用一种方式 写代码,作为开发者我可以审查
200	But you know God forbid I need to hire somebody to review the code	但你知道上帝禁止我雇人审查密码
201	It's not going to be the slop cannon where they're confused and they don't know what to do or they overcharge you	不会是大炮 在那里他们困惑, 他们不知道该怎么办 或者他们多收你钱
202	It's written in a way for a developer to understand and I find that if you use another agent that doesn't have context on your code base	它写的方式 一个开发者 理解,我发现如果你使用 另一个代理 在你的代码基础没有上下文
203	It will understand it very well.	它会非常明白的。
204	So first we	所以,首先我们
205	Isolate excuse the bad name	隔绝的借口 坏名字
206	Second we build right and all of these are done in an opinionated way that allow the agent to move	第二,我们建立权利,所有这一切 都以一种有见解的方式 使代理移动
207	Fast and to do the thing as best as possibly can be I think this makes sense, right?	尽快做最好的事 我觉得这很合理,对吧?
208	Yep, keep going.	是的,继续走。
209	So step number three is prove.	第三步就证明了
210	Here's the thing	是这样的
211	You know agents can't pinky promise, right?	你知道特工们不能小题大做 对吧?
212	So like if you push an agent enough, well GPT 6 Astra is	所以,就像如果你推一个代理足够, 那么GPT 6 Astra是
213	The reason why it's a big leap in model capability is like it like the heli like it is the least	模型能力大跃进的原因 就像直升机一样是最小的
214	hallucinating model which is fantastic	有幻觉的模型,这太棒了
215	but like that model aside most models you can kind of push to like	但是,像那个模型 除了大多数模型 你可以推那种喜欢
216	Lie or to believe something or it sometimes will straight-up be like, oh, I actually realize I didn't do this work for you	撒谎或相信什么 否则有时候会直接说
217	so one thing that I have the agent prove the agent do is to prove the work that it did and	所以有一件事,我有经纪人 证明经纪人做的是 证明它所做的工作,
218	This is probably my favorite skill.	这也许是我最喜欢的技巧
219	There's two skills involved in this	这里面有两个技能
220	evidence-driven testing and	由证据驱动的测试和
221	Basically what evidence-driven testing does if your machine has the capability to do it it will literally record the	基本上由证据驱动的测试是做什么的 如果你的机器有能力做它会 字面上记录
222	Before state meaning before the feature or let's say you're trying to fix a bug it will record the bug in action and	在功能前的状态意义之前 或者说你想修补一个错误 它会记录这个错误
223	What it will do after is after it's done fixing it will record a working version after right?	之后会做什么 之后它完成 修复 它会记录一个工作版本 之后右?
224	So this is what evidence-driven testing this it proves that the fix	所以这是证据驱动的测试 这证明了固定
225	Actually was made because you'll be surprised sometimes the agent will write the code and it'll think it work	其实是因为你会惊讶 有时特工会写代码 它会认为它有用
226	But it didn't test it or improve that it worked and it just told you to work	但它没有测试或改进 它的工作,它只是告诉你工作
227	So I need to make sure that the agent actually prove this work	所以我得确保特工能证明这件事
228	But let's say let's say your machine doesn't have the capability to do that	但假设你的机器没有这个能力
229	there's another skill called before and after and I can actually	之前和之后还有另一种技能,我可以
230	Let me pull up a PR to show this Greg because I think it is better show you than I tell you	让我拉个公关来展示这个格雷格 因为我觉得这比告诉你好
231	This is a PR my agent me.	这是我经纪人的公关
232	I didn't make this the agent make this	这不是我制造的
233	And I wanted it to create an admin email page and connect to an email service that I mean	我希望它能创建一个管理电子邮件页面 并连接到一个电子邮件服务,我的意思是
234	Look at what it did.	观其所作.
235	It showed me a before state or that page didn't exist	它让我看到一个在状态之前 或者那页不存在
236	It just it didn't and it shows me the after state, right?	它只是它没有, 它显示我之后的状态,对不对?
237	So for every feature that I'm building every PR that I'm doing	因此,每个功能,我正在建立 我所做的每一个公关
238	I am getting a before state and after state and the reason why this helps this helps me like I'll be honest	我得到了一个前州和后州的原因 和为什么这样做 帮助我像我会诚实。
239	I'm not reading all my code nowadays.	我现在不读所有的代码。
240	Like I might like okay did this like let's see	就像我也许喜欢这样,让我们看看
241	Barely, it's a skim.	勉强,是滑行.
242	It's a skim situation	这是个滑稽的情况
243	I'll be honest the skims have even become less and less now	老实说,现在的滑板越来越少了
244	But a lot of the things that I'm doing now is I'm working on the front end where I make sure that it's following	但我现在做的很多事情是 我在前端工作 在那里我保证它遵循
245	My code structure skill and I make sure I'm getting before and after screenshots, right?	我的密码结构技巧,我确保 我得到前后截图,对不对?
246	I can even pull up.	我甚至可以拉起来。
247	Let me pull up another	让我再拉一拉
248	Example here's a more prominent example where I was working on a specific	举个例子,我正在研究
249	Computer feature where I wanted to give my agent a computer and it just didn't work right the first run didn't work	电脑功能,我想给我的经纪人一台电脑 它只是没有工作的权利 第一次运行没有工作
250	I didn't even have like my software factory set up	我甚至连软件厂的设置都没有
251	I was working on a different machine and it pushed the code and it didn't work as you can see nothing's going on	我研究了另一台机器 它推开了代码 它没有工作,因为你可以看到什么都没有发生
252	I told my agent it didn't work use the skills use the factory and	我告诉我的经纪人 它没有工作 用技术用工厂和
253	This is the after screenshot with it actually using the app, right?	这是之后的截图 与它实际上使用应用,对不对?
254	So these skills the prove and the before and after	因此,这些技能 证明和前后
255	Force the agent to give me	强迫特工给我
256	Factual like a before and after proof whether it's a video or it's	事实就像前后 证明是视频还是视频
257	Screenshots and there are times where it'll do the before but then it'll do the after and it'll be like	截图和有时它会做之前, 但之后它会做之后,它会像
258	I just looked at the after screenshot or the after video and I didn't really finish the feature	我只是看了之后的截图 或之后的视频 我并没有真正完成这个功能
259	So go back to what they'll go back to build it, right?	回到他们要重建的地方去 对吧?
260	This is the factory nature of it	这就是工厂的性质
261	I didn't have to tell it.	我不必说
262	Oh, but yeah, you failed your before and after go finish	哦,但是,是的,你失败了 你的前后去完成
263	The the skills are in in a way where the agent knows okay the before and after criteria hasn't been met	技术在一种方式 代理知道好的 前后标准没有达到
264	I have to go continue on building, right?	我必须继续建设,对不对?
265	So this	所以这个
266	Gives me a visual	让我看到了
267	Representation of the work that's been done.	代表已完成的工作.
268	It makes reviewing especially if you're a non-technical person	特别是如果你是非技术人员的话
269	It makes reviewing easier because you know, I just look at some screenshots or a video, right?	它使审查更容易 因为,你知道,我只是 看一些截图或视频,对不对?
270	So in the building process at some point	所以在建设过程中
271	I'll have a PR where I get to see before and after and even though I might not understand all this mumbo-jumbo	我会有一个公关 在那里我可以看到前后 虽然我可能不明白 这一切的废话 -jumbo
272	It it will it will explain it will show me visual	它会解释它会给我看
273	Proof that the work's been done now.	证明工作已经完成了
274	I already hear somebody asking what if the proof is not visual and there's actually	我已经听到有人问 如果证据不是直观的 而且实际上有
275	a PR I'll show someone	公关,我给别人看
276	performance I	业绩一
277	Think it's this one.	以为这个.
278	Okay, so I wanted to do another example here	好,我想再举个例子
279	I wanted to do a performance update meaning for one of the apps I was building the clicks weren't snappy enough	我想做一个表演更新 意思是我正在制作的应用程序之一 点击不够快
280	Like you can see now everything is snappy.	就像你现在可以看到的一切是短暂的。
281	It's loaded fast.	满载迅速.
282	That wasn't the case	不是那样的
283	So I told the agent fix it and it did and	所以我告诉经纪人修好了它,它做到了
284	It did end up giving me screenshots	结果还是给我截图
285	But let's say there this was like something that it couldn't give me screenshots for it will write test and then it'll give me	但是,让我们假设,这是像的东西 它不能给我的截图,因为它会写测试 然后它会给我
286	The results in this case it checked the speed at which the page is loading before in this case	这个案子的结果,它检查了这个案子之前加载页面的速度
287	One of the pages 815 milliseconds.	1页815毫秒.
288	This is a sin in web development	这是网络开发的罪过
289	Like this cannot happen and mind you this was written by GPT 5.6 soul, right?	像这不可能发生 并提醒你 这是GPT 5.6灵魂写的,对不对?
290	Great model, but he got it down to 60	不错的模特儿,不过他已经降到60岁了
291	817 61 so I have again actual proof by the agent that it's done what it said it did in the review process	81761,所以我再次有 代理的实际证明 它已经做了它所说的 在复审过程中
292	I'll pause right there	我在这里暂停一下
293	Anything I've missed so far Gregor does it so, you know	我错过了Gregor的任何东西
294	if you're trying to build a	如果你试图建立一个
295	Software factory trust obviously is gonna be a big part of that	软件厂的信任显然会成为其中的一大部分
296	And I think what you're saying is hey, we're if you know	我想你说的是 嘿,我们是,如果你知道
297	If you're gonna have all these agents, you know building features building apps	如果你要拥有所有这些特工, 你知道建筑特性 构建应用程序
298	We need to be able to trust the things that it's going to create.	我们需要能够相信它将要创造的东西.
299	So what you're saying is	这么说吧
300	Here are a couple skills that allow you as like the agent manager where in this case	这里有几种技能,可以让你像代理经理一样 在这个情况下
301	Mickey you're like you are the agent manager, right?	米奇,你就像你是经纪人,对不对?
302	You're not you're you're not deep in the code anymore	你不是你 你不再深入密码
303	you're kind of just looking at what's happening and	你只是看看发生了什么
304	what's cool about	怎么样?
305	The before-and-after visual stuff is it's kind of good for him	之前和之后的视觉 对他有好处
306	You know Millennials and Gen Z or people on you know Instagram stories or snap stories stuff like that	你知道千年 和Gen Z 或人们 你知道Instagram的故事 或快速的故事之类的东西
307	It's almost like you're just like clicking through story to story.	这几乎就像你只是 点击的故事到故事。
308	Yes.	对
309	No, like it's it's it's bite-size	不,就像它是咬的大小一样
310	Basically, that's literally it right there, right?	基本上,这是 字面上就在那里,对不对?
311	It's it's allowing me to build trust with the agent because and what's funny is like you said earlier that kind of clicked in	它允许我和经纪人建立信任 因为有趣的是 就像你刚才说的 那种点击
312	This is what like normal organizations used to do with their engineers, right?	这就像正常的组织 曾经与他们的工程师,对不对?
313	it's like you build a feature and then there was someone whose job like a senior engineer whose job was to review your work and	就像你造了个特色 然后有人像高级工程师一样 来审查你的工作
314	You would have this PR with this description and it would show okay	你会有这个公关 与这个描述, 它会显示好的
315	Basically, this is the work that I've done and this is the test that I've written, right?	基本上,这是我做过的工作, 这是我写的测试,对不对?
316	So it's basically the same thing except now we're doing it with machines like that's essentially it and an example of the video	所以,它基本上是一样的 除了现在,我们正在做 它与机器 这样基本上它和视频的例子
317	This is a this is me using Kershaw Cloud Agents	这是我用克肖云特工
318	It says proof of improvement and like this is a video of the agent at work using the app, right?	上面写着改进的证明 像这样的 工作代理使用应用程序的视频,对不对?
319	So this allows me to your point like Instagram tick-tock.	所以,这允许我讲你的观点 像Instagram勾当。
320	I can watch this and see all right	我可以看这个,看看一切
321	Okay, the agent actually built this and it works	好吧,代理 实际建造了这个,它的工作
322	This makes it easy for me to not have to read code and I can just merge away and live my best life	这让我很容易不用读代码 我就可以融为一体 过上最好的生活
323	and go outside and touch grass	出来摸摸草
324	So there's that now we have	现在我们有了
325	One final step which is the ship step now the ship step I mentioned before and after	最后一个步骤,就是现在的船步,就是我在前后提到的船步
326	But there's this skill called grep loop which uses a third-party service named grep tile	但有一种叫做grep循环的技巧 使用第三方服务 叫做grep砖
327	Which is a code review agent now, you don't need to use a code review agent	你不需要用代码审查代理
328	But if you're really serious about building software and it's going to be used by users	但如果你真的想造软件 用户会用它
329	I highly suggest using some code review agent grep tiles my favorite code code rabbit	我强烈建议使用一些代码审查代理grep瓷砖 我最喜欢的代码兔子
330	Microscope there's tons of good ones out there	显微镜里有很多好东西
331	But me using grep tile they have this skill called grep loop and basically what this does	但我使用grep瓦 他们有这种技能 叫做grep环 基本上它的作用
332	And I think i'll show it with this pr	我想我会展示它与这个PR
333	Grep tile leaves these summaries and then it gives feedback.	Grep瓷砖留下这些摘要,然后给出反馈.
334	For example, this was the initial feedback it gave	例如,这是它最初提供的反馈
335	On the pr there was some issue with you know pagination right here.	试镜上有些问题 你知道这里的帕吉纳
336	Some menu space wasn't preserved	一些菜单空间没有保留
337	So it gave this feedback meaning the agent that wrote the code missed these things and that's fine	所以它给出了这个反馈,意味着 写代码的特工错过了这些东西,这很好
338	It happens right even humans miss these things, right?	它发生的权利,甚至人类 错过这些事情,对不对?
339	But what happens is grep tile not only gives feedback.	但发生的事情是grep瓷砖 不仅提供反馈。
340	It gives a confidence score	给人信心分数
341	Now this is a five out of five because after the feedback was given	这是五分之五 因为反馈后
342	If you see my name and then this line over here the feedback was addressed my agent addressed the feedback	如果你看到我的名字,然后这行 这里的反馈是给的 我的经纪人给的反馈
343	But before the feedback was addressed this score was a three out of five	但是在反馈被处理之前 这个分数是五分之三
344	What that tells my agent is that there are things that it missed and it needs to look at it	这告诉我的经纪人,有些东西 它错过了,它需要看它
345	What the grep loop skill does and by the way, this happens automatically someone doesn't have to write grep loop	顺便说一句,Grep循环技术的功用是自动发生的,有人不用写Grep循环
346	The agent will do it automatically what it does is as follows	特工会自动执行以下任务
347	It says it opens the pr with the before and after proof embedded in the description	上面写着它打开了pr 上面写着在描述中的前后证据
348	Whenever the change has a visible surface measure numbers or output pairs when it doesn't it'll give you numbers right or screenshot	当变化有可见的表面测量数字或输出对时,它不会给你正确的数字或截图
349	And then look what the agent does it runs grep loop or grep grep loop apps	然后看看代理运行的grep循环或grep循环应用
350	The difference is grep loop apps if your file change is like 10 000 lines plus	不同之处在于 grep 循环应用程序, 如果您的文件更改像 10,000 行加
351	That skill activates it.	这技巧能激活它
352	You don't have to worry if the agent does it itself, but look what it does.	你不必担心 经纪人自己做,但看看它做什么。
353	It says	上面写着
354	Grep tile reports five out of five until resolved comments finished by presenting pr url	Grep 砖块报告五分之五,直到通过提交 pr url 完成已解决的评论
355	Basically, what this means is it will the agent will take the feedback it got	基本上,这意味着 经纪人会接受反馈
356	It will go back to build	它会继续建造
357	So check this out.	看看这个
358	Let's say we're at the point.	说如是等正觉.
359	Let me write this down.	让我写下来。
360	We're at the point.	我们到了
361	We're at built we're	我们在建楼
362	Shipped right and it's now running grep loop	右转,它现在运行Grep循环
363	When I get a feedback score a confidence score and it's three out of five	当我得到反馈 得到一个信心得分, 这是三五
364	What now happens remember we were talking about loops.	现在发生的事情 记得我们在谈论循环。
365	This is actually a good loop.	这实际上是一个很好的循环。
366	What happens is this goes back to building	事情是这样的,这回是建筑
367	Now the agent goes back to step two it starts to build after it builds what it does	现在特工回到第二步 开始建造它的工作
368	Does it do it proves and then it ships and here's what happens automatically the agent will wait for a new score	这是否证明了,然后它就上船了 接下来是 代理商会自动等待新的分数
369	Grep tile then gives us a four out of five.	Grep瓷砖再给我们五分之四
370	We caught some things but there's one final thing we missed	我们抓到一些东西,但还有一件事我们错过了
371	Go back to building	回到楼里去
372	Right.	对
373	It builds it proves and guess what it does greg it ships and now I have a five out of five	它建造它 证明并猜它在做什么 船,现在我有一个五分之一
374	When I have a five out of five	当我有五分之一的时候
375	What's left now is for me to merge and I think maybe I have an open pr right here	现在剩下的是让我合并 我想也许我有一个公开的PR就在这里
376	So I can show you what that looks like	这样我才能让你看到它的样子
377	What's left for me?	还剩什么给我?
378	Is to just click merge	就是点击合并
379	when I click merge what happens is	当我点击合并 会发生什么
380	This is finally back in the main copy of the app of the main version of the app	终于回到了应用程序主版的主版
381	And I did this while working on 15 either	我在15号工作时也这么做了
382	simultaneous version	同时版本
383	Sorry	对不起
384	Features 15 different features	特征 15种不同特征
385	With different agents sub agents all that type of stuff what this allows and this is the factory nature	有不同的代理子代理 所有这类的东西 这是工厂性质
386	It allows for an agent to have an isolated instance where it can work on its own	它允许一个特工拥有一个孤立的例子,可以自己工作
387	It has guidelines on how to build it has a methodology to prove its work	它有如何建设的准则,有方法证明它的工作
388	And then it has an external service proving its work checking its work	然后它有一个外部服务 证明它的工作 检查它的工作
389	And if its work is not up to standard it has to continue in a loop working until that standard is met	如果它的工作达不到标准... ...它必须连续工作直到达到标准
390	Once I get a five out of five, this is when I enter the picture	一旦我得到五分之一, 当我进入图片
391	This is what a software factory is notice.	这是软件厂的注意。
392	We didn't talk about model.	我们没谈模特儿
393	We didn't talk about harness	我们没说带子
394	It's all workflows skills and a little bit of domain knowledge, right?	这是所有的工作流程技巧 和一点点的域知识,对不对?
395	Not everybody works the same.	不是每个人都一样
396	This is how I work	这就是我的工作方式
397	But I found great results	但我找到了伟大的结果
398	with this	用这个
399	I'll pause right here greg.	我在这里暂停一下
400	Let me know what I need to further explain or	告诉我我需要什么 进一步解释或
401	or add on	或添加在
402	I i'm like what's clicking in my head is just really this	我觉得我脑海中点的就是这个
403	physical factory analogy for a software factory	软件厂的物理工厂类比
404	So just to like summarize i'm going to tell you how i'm i'm seeing it.	所以,只是喜欢总结 我要告诉你 我是如何看到它。
405	I want I want your thoughts	我要你们的想法
406	So like the isolate piece and the step one	所以像孤立的棋子和第一步
407	Um, that's like a factory taking a custom order and you know giving it its own station	嗯,这就像一个工厂 采取定制订单 你知道它自己的车站
408	So it doesn't mess with the rest of production	所以它不会和生产的其他部分搞乱
409	Right, so you you you know, you called it a work tree, you know in software	对,所以你知道,你称之为工作树, 在软件上
410	It's a branch a work tree an isolated environment, but you know, that's the basic concept.	这是一个分支 一个工作树 一个孤立的环境, 但你知道,这是基本的概念。
411	Yes number two	是,二号
412	Build right build is the assembly line	建造正确的建筑是组装线
413	So the agent is actually like cutting and welding and assembling and wiring the product	所以这个药剂就像切开、焊接、组装、接线
414	Um, obviously in software, you're not doing that.	嗯,很明显在软件里, 你没有这样做。
415	You're writing code.	你在写密码
416	You're changing files	你在改变文件
417	You're adding structure to things you're you're actually creating something that's real in a software in a software sense	你正在把结构加进你正在创造的东西 在软件意义上是真实的
418	Step three is	步骤三是
419	The proving step which is basically a fancy way of saying quality control	证明步骤 基本上是一种美妙的方式 说质量控制
420	So basically right like before anything leaves the factory someone has to test it	所以基本上就跟出厂前一样 得有人去测试一下
421	You're not just going to like create a product and not have people test it like does it	你不只是喜欢创造一种产品 也不要让别人去测试它
422	Turn on does it does it fit does it break under pressure like all the things I you know	打开它合适吗? 它在压力下破解 就像我所知道的一切
423	I'm picturing like a car factor or something like that in software	我想象的像汽车因素 或类似的东西 在软件
424	you know, you can run tests like	你知道,你可以运行测试像
425	Well, you can run tests you can preview it you can do logs you and you know the screenshots you showed and then lastly	你可以运行测试 你可以预览 你可以做日志 你知道你显示的截图 然后最后
426	the shipping piece	运输块
427	Um, it's basically like once it passes quality control, you know, it's going out the door	嗯,它基本上就像一旦它通过质量控制, 你知道,它走出去的门
428	But there's going to be some things that you have to like let you know	但有些事情你必须知道
429	uh	瓳
430	You're gonna have to merge it.	你得把它合并起来
431	You're gonna have to deploy the pr you're gonna have to do release notes	你必须部署PR 你必须做发布通知
432	You're gonna have to you know	你必须要知道
433	Give feedback back to the product team because maybe it doesn't pass quality control and then you have to like do that loop again	把反馈反馈给产品组 因为也许它不会通过质量控制 然后你必须再次喜欢做这个循环
434	Right exactly	没错
435	I think I might actually rename everything you like i've written to what you said because like now i'm realizing like oh	我想我可能真的 重命名你喜欢的一切 我已经写到你说的话 因为像现在一样 我意识到像哦
436	Yeah, my names are terrible that it says make sense.	是啊,我的名字是可怕的 它说有道理。
437	That's exactly how this works	就是这样的
438	Cool, so basically what we're doing here is we're taking a factory	酷,所以基本上我们在这里做的是 我们要去一个工厂
439	And we're making a software factory basically	我们基本上正在制造一个软件厂
440	So and this is why like i've seen again not to knock people startups and products and stuff like that	所以,这就是为什么我再次看到 不再敲人 创业和产品之类的东西
441	Like a software factory is not a product.	像一个软件厂不是产品。
442	It's not a special harness	这不是特别的绳子
443	It's not a like oh this company built a software.	这可不是公司造的软件
444	No a software factory is literally just a bunch of markdown files	没有软件厂只是一堆减记文件
445	And this is also another insane thing off topic.	这也是另一个疯狂的话题。
446	Maybe a different video is	也许另一个视频是
447	Some startups are now	现在有些初创者
448	An agent with a couple markdown files, right?	一个特工有几份降级文件,对吧?
449	We've really entered that time	我们真的进入了那个时代
450	So I hope this made sense for everyone and this excites everyone	所以我希望这对每个人都有道理 这让每个人都兴奋
451	I'm very excited with the time we're in right now because a lot of things are possible now	我对我们现在的时间感到很兴奋 因为现在有很多事情是可能的
452	100 I mean, no, this is this is insane that you're actually able to do this.	100,我的意思是,不, 这是疯狂的,你实际上能够做到这一点。
453	It's cool that you	这很酷,你
454	people like you are like	像你这样的人
455	Sharing this because I think it's it's worthwhile.	分享这个,因为我觉得这是值得的。
456	I want to just do one quick note on	我想说一句
457	Um grep loop or any code review software, you know, I think if you're serious, you know	嗯,grep循环 或任何代码审查软件, 你知道,我认为 如果你是认真的,你知道
458	No affiliation with grep loop, um or anything like that	没有与grep循环,嗯或类似的东西
459	But I think if you're serious about creating software having you know some code review	但我想如果你真的想 创建一些软件... ...你知道一些代码审查
460	software is	软件是
461	Pretty like I I don't understand why you wouldn't use a grep loop a code rabbit one of these tools something right like it means	我好像不明白你为什么不用密码兔子 来做这种工具
462	like because again if you have like, you know	就像再次,如果你有这样的,你知道的
463	We in in business and then I know because a lot of business people are watching	我们做生意,然后我知道 因为很多商人在看
464	You know	你知道吗
465	We take the service we provide and all that stuff seriously	我们认真对待我们提供的服务和所有的东西
466	But it seems like with building software like we just don't care right and if you have people	但是,它似乎像 建设软件 像我们只是不关心的权利 如果你有的人
467	Who are going to use your app?	谁要用你的应用程序?
468	Like I don't know like there's a level of like empathy I have for the user on the other side	我对另一边的用户有同情心
469	And you know like a lot of these like startups because they've raised the jillions of dollars	你知道很多像初创企业一样的 因为他们筹集了巨款
470	Like they have a lot of free tiers like you know	就像他们有很多免费的等级,你知道的
471	You can cycle through free tiers and use a bunch of this stuff for free, right?	你可以通过免费的阶梯循环 免费使用这些东西,对不对?
472	So I highly encourage if you're building something that you're serious you're passionate about.	所以,我非常鼓励你 建造的东西,你是认真的 你热心。
473	I would use a code review agent of any kind	我会用任何密码审查代理
474	Yeah, cool.	是啊,凉爽。
475	Thanks for coming on.	谢谢你能来
476	Thanks for sharing the sauce.	感谢分享酱汁。
477	I'll include links for where to follow	我将包含链接 用于跟踪
478	Mickey on the internet on youtube all those places his his software that he's creating to	Mickey在YouTube的互联网上 将他的软件放在他制作的
479	Go give him a follow and uh, dude.	去跟踪他,嗯,伙计。
480	I'll see you next time.	下次见
481	I appreciate you very much	非常感谢你
482	Thank you for showing love and watching and yeah, we'll see you in the next one	谢谢你表现的爱和观看 是的,我们会看到你在下一个
483	Thank you everyone for showing love and watching and yeah, we'll see you in the next one	感谢大家的爱和观看 是的,我们会看到你在下一个

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【AI编程】构建真正有效的软件工厂 · 四步法完整课程 p02 英文字幕 (P2)

发布于 2026-09-21 · 时长 31:29

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时间	英文	中文
0:00	What are software factories and why is it going viral?	软件工厂是什么 为什么会是病毒?
0:03	I mean, it's basically this concept that allows you to use AI agents to actually ship	我的意思是,它基本上是这个概念 允许你使用AI代理 实际运送
0:08	Software that isn't sloppy at all that is more like a factory more like think about an assembly line	完全不草率的软件 更像是工厂 更像是想装配线
0:15	And you're just instead of building physical products you're building software and that's kind of the dream	而你只是代替建造 实物产品 你正在建造软件 这就是一种梦想
0:21	I mean if you're able to just create this factory that builds software and it's valuable	我是说如果你能创造出一个制造软件的工厂 那很有价值的
0:26	Software and you can create multiple apps that generate revenue and add value to people's lives that sounds pretty good to me	软件和你可以创建多个应用程序 创造收入 增加人们的生活价值
0:34	So in today's episode I brought on Ross Mike and he clearly explains the entire process by the end of this episode	所以在今天的剧集里 我给罗斯・麦克带来了 他清楚地解释了整个过程
0:40	You're gonna understand how to set your own software factory up yourself.	你会明白怎么建立你自己的软件厂
0:44	So enjoy the episode	享受这集吧
0:45	I can't wait to see what you build	我迫不及待的想看你造什么

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序号	英文	中文
1	What are software factories and why is it going viral?	软件工厂是什么 为什么会是病毒?
2	I mean, it's basically this concept that allows you to use AI agents to actually ship	我的意思是,它基本上是这个概念 允许你使用AI代理 实际运送
3	Software that isn't sloppy at all that is more like a factory more like think about an assembly line	完全不草率的软件 更像是工厂 更像是想装配线
4	And you're just instead of building physical products you're building software and that's kind of the dream	而你只是代替建造 实物产品 你正在建造软件 这就是一种梦想
5	I mean if you're able to just create this factory that builds software and it's valuable	我是说如果你能创造出一个制造软件的工厂 那很有价值的
6	Software and you can create multiple apps that generate revenue and add value to people's lives that sounds pretty good to me	软件和你可以创建多个应用程序 创造收入 增加人们的生活价值
7	So in today's episode I brought on Ross Mike and he clearly explains the entire process by the end of this episode	所以在今天的剧集里 我给罗斯・麦克带来了 他清楚地解释了整个过程
8	You're gonna understand how to set your own software factory up yourself.	你会明白怎么建立你自己的软件厂
9	So enjoy the episode	享受这集吧
10	I can't wait to see what you build	我迫不及待的想看你造什么
11	There's a reason why this concept is going viral and I'll see you at the end today's episode is brought to you by Brex	有个原因,这个概念是病毒化的, 我会看到你在今天的结尾 剧集由Brex带来给你
12	My company's been on Brex for a year and a half and I started because I kept hearing companies like Vercel open AI	我的公司在Brex上已经一年半了 我开始是因为我一直听到公司的声音 像Vercel打开AI
13	Anthropic were using Brex and I figured if they're using it why shouldn't die?	Anthropic在使用Brex 我想如果他们在使用它 为什么不应该死?
14	It's been a game changer.	这已经是一个游戏的改变者。
15	The thing that got me is how smooth it is.	我得到的东西是 它是多么的光滑。
16	It's got high-limit cards.	有高限牌.
17	It's got banking	有银行业务
18	It's got AI that handles the back office busy work like expense reports, which I don't want to do on its own	它有AI,处理后 办公室繁忙的工作 像开支报告, 我不想自己做
19	It's really just built for this agentic world if you're building something new	它真的只是为这个代理世界建造 如果你正在建造新的东西
20	It's time to get Brex check it out at brex.com solutions start-ups link in the description	是时候让Brex在描述中的 brex.com 解决方案启动链接中检查出来
21	Mickey welcome back to the pod by the end of this episode.	米奇欢迎回到舱 本集结束。
22	What are people gonna learn?	人们会学到什么?
23	We're gonna understand what this bizarre phrase software factory means.	我们要明白这个奇怪的词 软件厂的意思。
24	I'm actually gonna show you how I run mine	我其实是要告诉你 我如何运行我的
25	It's a lot easier than you think and it's definitely model and harness agnostic	比你想象的要简单得多 而且绝对是模型和不可知论
26	So you don't have to purchase some different product to have a software factory.	所以你不需要购买一些不同的产品来拥有一个软件厂.
27	It's gonna be fun and it's gonna be simple	会很有趣的 很简单
28	okay, so you're gonna explain what it is why it matters how it works how to think about it by the end of this people are	好吧,所以你要去解释它是什么 它是什么重要 它如何工作 如何思考到这些人的结尾
29	just gonna be able to	只是会是能够
30	Boot up their own software factory if they want or if they think you know what this Ross Mike guide	如果他们想或者他们觉得你知道罗斯・麦克的指南
31	I don't I don't like software factories.	我不喜欢软件厂
32	I don't like what he's saying they can pass	我不喜欢他说他们能通过的东西
33	100% 100%
34	With the term software factory, there's been a lot of like startups who've started and you know	随着软件厂这个术语, 有很多像初创企业 谁已经开始,你知道
35	I'm not here to knock anyone's hustle	我不是来敲别人的
36	But a software factory is	但是一个软件厂
37	Completely harness and model agnostic meaning it doesn't matter what model you use	完全使用和模型 不可知论的意思 它并不重要 你使用什么模型
38	It doesn't matter what harness you use	你用什么绳子不重要
39	It should work right because a software factory is more about someone's workflow skills and domain knowledge and it's packed up in	它应该是正确的,因为一个软件厂 更多关于某人的工作流程技能和域知识 并包装在
40	Specific skills that they use in their development process now	他们现在在发展进程中使用的具体技能
41	I want everyone to think like the last after the ability probably went on codex Claude code curse or whatever it is	我希望每个人都能像上次那样思考 可能是因为Claude的密码诅咒
42	And you just typed right you said I want to build this and it built it out for you	你刚刚打的对 你说我想建这个 它为你建造
43	You saw it and you didn't like it and then you made some changes right and you saw the changes	你看到它,你不喜欢它 然后你做了一些改变的权利,你看到了变化
44	Maybe you liked it you deployed it to Vercellar to production and you're good to go or you keep kept on iterating	或许你喜欢它,你部署它到Vercellar生产 你可以走了,或者你继续延展
45	That's the process the whole point of a software factory is in each step of the development process	软件厂在开发过程中的每一个步骤 都有一个过程
46	How can I best maximize the models capability to get the greatest output right and also?	我怎样才能最好地最大化模型能力 以获得最伟大的输出正确和同样?
47	How can I move fast right because if we're using the term factory?	我怎么能快速行动呢? 因为如果我们在用工厂这个词?
48	There's some sort of structure and speed and conveyor belt nature that allows me to ship as quick as possible	有某种结构 速度和传送带 允许我尽快运送
49	without losing quality	不失去质量
50	That's the long bloated Michael Shamalis translate a definition of software factory.	这就是长期膨胀的迈克尔·沙马利斯翻译软件厂的定义.
51	I haven't lost anyone.	我没有失去任何人。
52	Hopefully Greg.	希望是格雷格,你喜欢吗?
53	That was perfect	这是完美的
54	Okay, so understood, but like why does that matter the reason why it matters is?	好吧,所以理解, 但为什么它很重要的原因?
55	Intelligence is continuing to increase we have amazing models like GPT 6 Astra a good software factory allows you	情报在继续增加 我们有GPT 6 Astra等惊人的模型 一个好的软件厂允许你
56	To systemize and use these models in a very efficient way	以非常高效的方式系统化和使用这些模型
57	Versus just typing in and continue to go back and forth and I think it's better.	Versus只是打字 并继续回转 我觉得这样更好
58	I just show you how mine works	我只是告诉你我的功用
59	To give people an idea now.	给人们一个想法。
60	I'll give my skills are available for free	我会免费给自己的技能
61	No charge nothing like that, but I don't want you to blindly copy me	不要这样收费 但我不希望你盲目抄袭我
62	I would like for you to think about it understand the process and then apply it yourself	我想让你们考虑一下 了解这个过程 然后自己应用
63	That being said I have	这么说,我有
64	About five or six files that make my software factory	大约5到6个文件 使我的软件厂
65	I have an agents dot MD file and for everyone who might not be aware with for age what an agents dot MD file is	我有一个特工点MD文件, 对于每个可能不知道年龄的人来说 特工点MD文件是什么
66	It's basically this one document this one markdown file.	基本上就是这个文件 这个减记文件
67	That's injected into the system prompt	注射到系统上
68	That's inject sorry not in the system prompt that's injected into the agent chat every time you communicate with an agent	你每次和特工联络时 都会输入代理聊天的系统提示
69	So every time I say hi if there's an agents dot MD file before the high is sent the agents dot MD file is set	所以每次我问候,如果有 代理点MD文件之前的 高级被发送 代理点MD文件被设定
70	And what's cool about this file is I can sort of dictate how I want the agent to act	这个文件最酷的就是 我可以决定我要特工如何行动
71	And we actually did a video not too long ago Greg where I talked about most people's agent dot MD file is useless	事实上,我们做了一个视频 不久之前,格雷格 在那里我谈到 大多数人的代理点MD文件是无用的
72	Because they were telling the agent empty file what the code looked like and already information	因为他们告诉代理空文件 代码是什么样子和已经的信息
73	That's in the code base that the agent can already know about but if you look at mine	这在密码底部 特工已经知道了 但是如果你看看我
74	There's a simple workflow and this workflow is something that's not native to the agent	有个简单的工作流程 这个工作流程对特工来说不是本体的
75	So it explains clearly how to do it and I'll walk you through every single step.	所以,它清楚地解释了如何做到这一点, 我会走你的每一步。
76	The first step is isolate	第一步是隔离
77	There's a skill called new feature and this is what it does.	有一种技能叫做新特征 这就是它的作用。
78	It says every new feature	上面写着每个新特点
79	Starts in a fresh get work tree branched from origin main so agents can work in parallel without conflicts	开始从源头开始 工作树分支 这样代理商可以平行工作而无冲突
80	Never built on me.	从来没有建立在我身上。
81	And if you know when Michael is on Greg's channel	如果你知道迈克尔何时在格雷格频道
82	There's always diagram.	总是有图。
83	So we're about to draw so with the first step when I'm working on a project and	所以,我们即将画出这样的第一步 当我在做一个项目和
84	I tell it to work on a feature	我告诉它工作 一个特色
85	the first thing it's going to do is isolate and what this basically means is you can think of	首先它要做的是隔离 这基本上意味着你能想到
86	Greg and Mike's app you can think of Greg's and Mike app like the journey being you know	格雷格和迈克的应用 你可以想到格雷格和迈克的应用 就像旅程 你知道
87	We started here.	我们从这里开始的。
88	We started prompting here and this is when we launched a production.	我们开始在这里催促,这是当我们推出一个生产。
89	We've got thousands of customers	我们有成千上万的顾客
90	The way most people work with their agents is at every single step of the journey they're building a feature	大多数人的工作方式 与他们的代理 是在旅程的每一步 他们正在建立一个特色
91	They're building a feature.	他们正在打造一个特色。
92	They're building a feature and it's it's a very linear process	他们正在构建一个特征, 这是一个非常线性的过程
93	right one feature at a time one feature at a time one feature at a time and	右一个特性 一次一个特性 一次一个特性
94	If you ever try to work part like like with on multiple features the same time.	如果你曾经尝试像工作一样 在多个特征上 同时。
95	Sometimes there's conflicts	有时有冲突
96	There's issues people have you know, oh my agent deleted this file that overwrote this file	有问题 人们知道, 哦,我的经纪人删除了 这个文件,
97	What this first step isolate does is the following I'm going to show via diagram	第一步的隔离是 我要通过图表来显示
98	So let's say Greg was like, I really don't like our landing page and I'm telling Greg, you know our	因此,让我们假设格雷格喜欢, 我真的不喜欢我们的登陆页 我告诉格雷格,你知道我们的
99	Our API calls can be faster when Greg works on this feature	我们的API电话可以更快 当Greg工作在这个功能上
100	What the agent does using my agents dot MD is it's going to create a new branch and you can think of a branch as	特工使用我的特工点MD 会建立一个新的分支 你可以认为分支
101	a copy paste of the exact moment where the app is	应用程序的确切时间的复制粘贴
102	So Greg is going to work on a new branch a new work tree of the app a work tree is basically a	所以Greg要在一个新的分支上工作 一个应用的新工作树 一个工作树基本上是一个
103	Copy of the app like you can think of someone copying a block of text	复制应用程序,就像你能想到有人 复制一个块的文本
104	Pacing it in a new document working on that document and at some point going to merge it back in the original document	把它放在一份新文件中,处理该文件,并在某个时候将其重新合并到原始文件中
105	So that's what Greg is doing.	Greg就是这么做的
106	He has a new document working on that feature	他有一份新文件正在研究这个功能
107	And guess what Mike has another feature has to work on so I can do it at the same time or I could do it a	猜猜迈克有另一个功能 需要工作 所以我可以同时做到这一点 或者我可以做到这一点
108	Different time I now have my own branch	不同的时间,我现在有自己的分支
109	Here's what's cool	这是很酷的
110	me and Greg and another person or you yourself with 50 different agents can work on multiple features and	我和Greg 还有另一个人 或者你和50个不同的特工 可以研究多种特征
111	There's not going to be an issue of one agent overstepping on another agents work	不会有一个问题 一个特工越位 另一个特工的工作
112	This happens a lot to people if you ever see tweets Greg of people saying man	如果你看到Greg说男人的微博 这种事对人们来说很常见
113	Like I was working on this and the agent deleted a bunch of stuff almost always	好像我在忙这个 经纪人几乎总是删掉一堆东西
114	Because people have their agents working on different features on the same branch and	因为人们有他们的代理人 在同一个分支和
115	The agent will do what you tell it to do	探员会照你的话去做
116	So you told it to update the landing page, but then you also told it to make the API calls faster	所以,你告诉它更新登陆页, 但你也告诉它 使API呼叫更快
117	And now it's noticing all these pages the way they're calling the API suck	现在它注意到所有这些页 他们叫API烂
118	Let me delete these and write these again, but then it was working on a design on that page.	让我去删掉这些,再写一遍, 但后来它正在研究那页的设计。
119	So issue start to arise	所以问题开始出现
120	Isolate allows me to work on multiple features at the same time	孤立让我同时研究多个特性
121	Parallelly without having an agent overstep on an agent.	同时,没有代理人越位。
122	This is the first step of my workflow	这是我工作流程的第一步
123	This isn't native to the agent.	这对特工来说不是本地人
124	So this makes sense to exist in	因此,这是有道理的存在于
125	the agents.md file and when	代理 . md 文件及何时
126	Greg is done or when I'm done and I'll explain like the workflow for this	Greg说完了 或者我说完了 我会解释的
127	Just to close the loop when Mike's done all I do is	麦克完成后,我就会关闭这个圈子
128	Merge these changes back and then what Greg's done	把这些变化合并起来 然后Greg做了什么
129	He can either do it before me or he can do it after me	他要么在我之前做 要么在我之后做
130	But we're merging into the into the main	但是,我们合并到主
131	Document and there's not going to be conflicts because we worked on a copy at first	文件和不会有冲突 因为我们刚开始就研究了一本
132	So this allows me to ship fast with multiple agents if I show you and I can maybe show here if I show you my	所以,这允许我与多个特工一起快船 如果我告诉你,我可以在这里,如果我告诉你我的
133	terminal if you notice there's	如果你注意到的话,结束
134	Four tabs of bezel up three of them finished	四块薄饼,三块
135	But I literally have four different features on the same exact app one's working on an email client	但我实际上有四个不同的功能 在同一个准确的应用 一个工作 在电子邮件客户端
136	The other one is working on a computer environment a Linux environment	另一个是Linux的电脑环境
137	The other one is doing a landing page update so I can work on these confidently while still having isolation	另一个正在更新登陆页 这样我就可以在保持隔离的同时 自信地研究这些
138	It's not native to the agent this agents.md plus the new feature skill	代理商不是本地人 这个代理商是Md 加上新的特技
139	Allows me to do that.	允许我这样做。
140	I'll pause here any questions Greg so far.	我会暂停任何问题 Greg到目前为止。
141	Yeah, I mean it's	是啊,我是说
142	Like crystal clear.	如结晶清净.
143	I think it's the way I think about it is if you actually had a team of	我想这就是我想的 如果你真的有一支队伍
144	Engineers and you are trying to build an app you obviously wouldn't be	工程师和你们想制造一个应用软件 显然你不会
145	Building it all on main and having everyone just being pushing to main and stuff like that.	把它全部建在主上, 让每个人只是推向主 之类的东西。
146	That just doesn't make sense.	这根本说不通
147	I think	我觉得
148	You know, I'm non-technical	你知道,我不是技术的
149	And I think you have all of a sudden all these non-technical people starting to build apps and	我认为你突然有这些非技术人士 开始制造应用软件
150	They're running into this, you know, you you basically made mention you're kind of like oh, hey, man	他们正遇到这个,你知道,你基本上 提到你有点像哦,嘿,男人
151	Like sometimes it happens that agents overwrite stuff	碞钩Τ 牡贝穦
152	I mean the truth is 95% of the time if you're built it you're gonna have agents kind of mess up and	我的意思是,真相是95%的时间 如果你建造它,你会有 特工那种混乱,
153	Overwrite things so this is like to me this you know makes a lot of sense and it's sort of a bigger idea	覆盖事物,这样对我来说, 这你知道很多道理, 这是一个更大的想法
154	Which is how do you structure?	你是如何构建的?
155	Your you know the way you work with agents to be more like a team versus	你知道你和特工们合作的方式 更像是团队对抗
156	You know, yeah, no just more like a team.	你知道,是的,不再像一个团队。
157	Yeah, I mean and I mean it's a better name	是啊,我的意思是,它是一个更好的名字
158	Team is better than isolate.	团队胜过孤立
159	I might take the team, but that's	我可能会带球队,但那是
160	That's why I'm the marketer and you're the	所以我是推销员 而你是
161	engineer	工程师
162	But yeah, that's basically what it is, right?	但是,是的,这基本上是它是什么,对不对?
163	Isolate sounds like some sort of like whey protein that I'm	隔离听起来像 某种杂草蛋白
164	So if you guys check the link there will be a name update very soon	所以,如果你们检查链接 很快会有名字更新
165	But that's basically what this does it allows for me to have multiple agents working on different tasks all at the same time	但基本上这能让我有多个特工 同时执行不同的任务
166	Without overstepping each other right and there's also a cleanup process	没有越位的权利 也有清理的过程
167	I won't get into like once the branch like once the work is emerged in the work tree gets deleted all that type of stuff	工作树上出现的时候 我就不会像树枝一样被删掉
168	Happened so that's step number one number two is the actual building	事情是这样的 第一步第二步是实际建筑
169	And this I find has this was a skill that I shared originally way back	我发现,这是 一种技能,我分享了最初的方式
170	But now it's part of my workflow and I shared with everyone is code structure	但现在这是我工作流程的一部分 我和大家分享的是代码结构
171	We're going to talk about models soon	我们马上就要谈模特了
172	but one thing about	但有一点
173	The models is they are great at doing the work	模特儿很擅长工作
174	It just might not be done the best way right especially when writing code	特别是写代码的时候 可能不是最好的方式
175	There's for example fable is I would say one of the first models to really	举例来说,有寓言,我会说 最早的模型之一 真的
176	Write code that I would say huh like this is better than some of the best engineers	写代码,我会说,嗯 这样比一些最好的工程师好
177	I've seen right like fable runs writes really good code	我见过像寓言一样的跑步 写得非常好
178	But even Astro, which is workhorse most powerful model my favorite model some of the code quality decisions	但即使是Astro,它是最强大的模型 我最喜欢的模型 一些代码质量决定
179	It makes is and it's not that the models not capable	它制造的,不是 模型不能
180	The models is just getting it done and if it could get it done in the sloppy way	模特儿只是把事情办好 如果能用草率的方式
181	It'll get it done in the sloppy way what the code structure skill does it writes it in what's called a service layer?	它会以草率的方式完成它 它的代码结构技巧 把它写在所谓的服务层?
182	Architecture won't bore everyone, but basically it's written in a way where let's say you have you needed human intervention	建筑不会让所有人厌烦 但基本上写的方式 可以说你需要人类的干预
183	You hired a developer very easy for the developer to catch on or you yourself are a developer very easy for you to catch on	你雇了一个开发商 很容易让开发商赶上 或者你自己是开发商 很容易让你赶上
184	But even for your agents for them to come back to the code and read the code	但即使你的特工 让他们回到密码 并读到密码
185	They'll be like oh like yeah like it makes sense like I've had like I've had	他们会像哦,是的,就像它有道理 我曾经有过一样
186	5.6 soul write code and it works it does what it's supposed to do	5.6 灵魂写代码,它能做它应该做的
187	But then I'll have fable review the code and fable will be like this is disgusting like there's duplications	但我会有寓言审查 代码和寓言会像这恶心 像有重复
188	There's functions all over the place.	到处都有功能.
189	There's dead code right so just because it works doesn't mean it's written well this skill	密码是死字的,不代表写得很好
190	Gives the agent a guideline on how to write code so going back to this diagram again	给代理人一个如何写代码的指引,这样又回到这个图表
191	I'm working on a new feature right the first thing that happens is isolate the second thing that happens	我在研究一个新的功能,第一件事就是隔离第二件事
192	is and I'm gonna I hope people are seeing the	我希望人们能看到
193	Factory nature of it the second thing that happens is the building and in building we're using a skill called	它的工厂性质 第二件事发生 建筑和建筑 我们使用一种技能叫做
194	Code structure and basically in this process when I'm telling the agent Oh build me	密码结构 基本上在这个过程中 当我告诉经纪人 吴建我
195	This Andy page build me this feature for example	安迪的这个页面给我建了这个功能 比如说
196	I've been working on this app and the one feature that I wanted built is I wanted a skills like	我一直在研究这个应用,我想要的其中一个特点 就是我想要一种技能
197	Repository where I can have different agents of mine connect to this app and store the skills	仓库,我可以有 不同的代理人 我的连接到这个应用程序 存储技能
198	And I basically told the agent build me that and as it was writing the code it kept referencing the code structure	我基本上告诉经纪人 建造我, 当它写代码时 它一直引用代码结构
199	Skill so it started to write code in a way that me as a developer I can review	Skill 这样它开始用一种方式 写代码,作为开发者我可以审查
200	But you know God forbid I need to hire somebody to review the code	但你知道上帝禁止我雇人审查密码
201	It's not going to be the slop cannon where they're confused and they don't know what to do or they overcharge you	不会是大炮 在那里他们困惑, 他们不知道该怎么办 或者他们多收你钱
202	It's written in a way for a developer to understand and I find that if you use another agent that doesn't have context on your code base	它写的方式 一个开发者 理解,我发现如果你使用 另一个代理 在你的代码基础没有上下文
203	It will understand it very well.	它会非常明白的。
204	So first we	所以,首先我们
205	Isolate excuse the bad name	隔绝的借口 坏名字
206	Second we build right and all of these are done in an opinionated way that allow the agent to move	第二,我们建立权利,所有这一切 都以一种有见解的方式 使代理移动
207	Fast and to do the thing as best as possibly can be I think this makes sense, right?	尽快做最好的事 我觉得这很合理,对吧?
208	Yep, keep going.	是的,继续走。
209	So step number three is prove.	第三步就证明了
210	Here's the thing	是这样的
211	You know agents can't pinky promise, right?	你知道特工们不能小题大做 对吧?
212	So like if you push an agent enough, well GPT 6 Astra is	所以,就像如果你推一个代理足够, 那么GPT 6 Astra是
213	The reason why it's a big leap in model capability is like it like the heli like it is the least	模型能力大跃进的原因 就像直升机一样是最小的
214	hallucinating model which is fantastic	有幻觉的模型,这太棒了
215	but like that model aside most models you can kind of push to like	但是,像那个模型 除了大多数模型 你可以推那种喜欢
216	Lie or to believe something or it sometimes will straight-up be like, oh, I actually realize I didn't do this work for you	撒谎或相信什么 否则有时候会直接说
217	so one thing that I have the agent prove the agent do is to prove the work that it did and	所以有一件事,我有经纪人 证明经纪人做的是 证明它所做的工作,
218	This is probably my favorite skill.	这也许是我最喜欢的技巧
219	There's two skills involved in this	这里面有两个技能
220	evidence-driven testing and	由证据驱动的测试和
221	Basically what evidence-driven testing does if your machine has the capability to do it it will literally record the	基本上由证据驱动的测试是做什么的 如果你的机器有能力做它会 字面上记录
222	Before state meaning before the feature or let's say you're trying to fix a bug it will record the bug in action and	在功能前的状态意义之前 或者说你想修补一个错误 它会记录这个错误
223	What it will do after is after it's done fixing it will record a working version after right?	之后会做什么 之后它完成 修复 它会记录一个工作版本 之后右?
224	So this is what evidence-driven testing this it proves that the fix	所以这是证据驱动的测试 这证明了固定
225	Actually was made because you'll be surprised sometimes the agent will write the code and it'll think it work	其实是因为你会惊讶 有时特工会写代码 它会认为它有用
226	But it didn't test it or improve that it worked and it just told you to work	但它没有测试或改进 它的工作,它只是告诉你工作
227	So I need to make sure that the agent actually prove this work	所以我得确保特工能证明这件事
228	But let's say let's say your machine doesn't have the capability to do that	但假设你的机器没有这个能力
229	there's another skill called before and after and I can actually	之前和之后还有另一种技能,我可以
230	Let me pull up a PR to show this Greg because I think it is better show you than I tell you	让我拉个公关来展示这个格雷格 因为我觉得这比告诉你好
231	This is a PR my agent me.	这是我经纪人的公关
232	I didn't make this the agent make this	这不是我制造的
233	And I wanted it to create an admin email page and connect to an email service that I mean	我希望它能创建一个管理电子邮件页面 并连接到一个电子邮件服务,我的意思是
234	Look at what it did.	观其所作.
235	It showed me a before state or that page didn't exist	它让我看到一个在状态之前 或者那页不存在
236	It just it didn't and it shows me the after state, right?	它只是它没有, 它显示我之后的状态,对不对?
237	So for every feature that I'm building every PR that I'm doing	因此,每个功能,我正在建立 我所做的每一个公关
238	I am getting a before state and after state and the reason why this helps this helps me like I'll be honest	我得到了一个前州和后州的原因 和为什么这样做 帮助我像我会诚实。
239	I'm not reading all my code nowadays.	我现在不读所有的代码。
240	Like I might like okay did this like let's see	就像我也许喜欢这样,让我们看看
241	Barely, it's a skim.	勉强,是滑行.
242	It's a skim situation	这是个滑稽的情况
243	I'll be honest the skims have even become less and less now	老实说,现在的滑板越来越少了
244	But a lot of the things that I'm doing now is I'm working on the front end where I make sure that it's following	但我现在做的很多事情是 我在前端工作 在那里我保证它遵循
245	My code structure skill and I make sure I'm getting before and after screenshots, right?	我的密码结构技巧,我确保 我得到前后截图,对不对?
246	I can even pull up.	我甚至可以拉起来。
247	Let me pull up another	让我再拉一拉
248	Example here's a more prominent example where I was working on a specific	举个例子,我正在研究
249	Computer feature where I wanted to give my agent a computer and it just didn't work right the first run didn't work	电脑功能,我想给我的经纪人一台电脑 它只是没有工作的权利 第一次运行没有工作
250	I didn't even have like my software factory set up	我甚至连软件厂的设置都没有
251	I was working on a different machine and it pushed the code and it didn't work as you can see nothing's going on	我研究了另一台机器 它推开了代码 它没有工作,因为你可以看到什么都没有发生
252	I told my agent it didn't work use the skills use the factory and	我告诉我的经纪人 它没有工作 用技术用工厂和
253	This is the after screenshot with it actually using the app, right?	这是之后的截图 与它实际上使用应用,对不对?
254	So these skills the prove and the before and after	因此,这些技能 证明和前后
255	Force the agent to give me	强迫特工给我
256	Factual like a before and after proof whether it's a video or it's	事实就像前后 证明是视频还是视频
257	Screenshots and there are times where it'll do the before but then it'll do the after and it'll be like	截图和有时它会做之前, 但之后它会做之后,它会像
258	I just looked at the after screenshot or the after video and I didn't really finish the feature	我只是看了之后的截图 或之后的视频 我并没有真正完成这个功能
259	So go back to what they'll go back to build it, right?	回到他们要重建的地方去 对吧?
260	This is the factory nature of it	这就是工厂的性质
261	I didn't have to tell it.	我不必说
262	Oh, but yeah, you failed your before and after go finish	哦,但是,是的,你失败了 你的前后去完成
263	The the skills are in in a way where the agent knows okay the before and after criteria hasn't been met	技术在一种方式 代理知道好的 前后标准没有达到
264	I have to go continue on building, right?	我必须继续建设,对不对?
265	So this	所以这个
266	Gives me a visual	让我看到了
267	Representation of the work that's been done.	代表已完成的工作.
268	It makes reviewing especially if you're a non-technical person	特别是如果你是非技术人员的话
269	It makes reviewing easier because you know, I just look at some screenshots or a video, right?	它使审查更容易 因为,你知道,我只是 看一些截图或视频,对不对?
270	So in the building process at some point	所以在建设过程中
271	I'll have a PR where I get to see before and after and even though I might not understand all this mumbo-jumbo	我会有一个公关 在那里我可以看到前后 虽然我可能不明白 这一切的废话 -jumbo
272	It it will it will explain it will show me visual	它会解释它会给我看
273	Proof that the work's been done now.	证明工作已经完成了
274	I already hear somebody asking what if the proof is not visual and there's actually	我已经听到有人问 如果证据不是直观的 而且实际上有
275	a PR I'll show someone	公关,我给别人看
276	performance I	业绩一
277	Think it's this one.	以为这个.
278	Okay, so I wanted to do another example here	好,我想再举个例子
279	I wanted to do a performance update meaning for one of the apps I was building the clicks weren't snappy enough	我想做一个表演更新 意思是我正在制作的应用程序之一 点击不够快
280	Like you can see now everything is snappy.	就像你现在可以看到的一切是短暂的。
281	It's loaded fast.	满载迅速.
282	That wasn't the case	不是那样的
283	So I told the agent fix it and it did and	所以我告诉经纪人修好了它,它做到了
284	It did end up giving me screenshots	结果还是给我截图
285	But let's say there this was like something that it couldn't give me screenshots for it will write test and then it'll give me	但是,让我们假设,这是像的东西 它不能给我的截图,因为它会写测试 然后它会给我
286	The results in this case it checked the speed at which the page is loading before in this case	这个案子的结果,它检查了这个案子之前加载页面的速度
287	One of the pages 815 milliseconds.	1页815毫秒.
288	This is a sin in web development	这是网络开发的罪过
289	Like this cannot happen and mind you this was written by GPT 5.6 soul, right?	像这不可能发生 并提醒你 这是GPT 5.6灵魂写的,对不对?
290	Great model, but he got it down to 60	不错的模特儿,不过他已经降到60岁了
291	817 61 so I have again actual proof by the agent that it's done what it said it did in the review process	81761,所以我再次有 代理的实际证明 它已经做了它所说的 在复审过程中
292	I'll pause right there	我在这里暂停一下
293	Anything I've missed so far Gregor does it so, you know	我错过了Gregor的任何东西
294	if you're trying to build a	如果你试图建立一个
295	Software factory trust obviously is gonna be a big part of that	软件厂的信任显然会成为其中的一大部分
296	And I think what you're saying is hey, we're if you know	我想你说的是 嘿,我们是,如果你知道
297	If you're gonna have all these agents, you know building features building apps	如果你要拥有所有这些特工, 你知道建筑特性 构建应用程序
298	We need to be able to trust the things that it's going to create.	我们需要能够相信它将要创造的东西.
299	So what you're saying is	这么说吧
300	Here are a couple skills that allow you as like the agent manager where in this case	这里有几种技能,可以让你像代理经理一样 在这个情况下
301	Mickey you're like you are the agent manager, right?	米奇,你就像你是经纪人,对不对?
302	You're not you're you're not deep in the code anymore	你不是你 你不再深入密码
303	you're kind of just looking at what's happening and	你只是看看发生了什么
304	what's cool about	怎么样?
305	The before-and-after visual stuff is it's kind of good for him	之前和之后的视觉 对他有好处
306	You know Millennials and Gen Z or people on you know Instagram stories or snap stories stuff like that	你知道千年 和Gen Z 或人们 你知道Instagram的故事 或快速的故事之类的东西
307	It's almost like you're just like clicking through story to story.	这几乎就像你只是 点击的故事到故事。
308	Yes.	对
309	No, like it's it's it's bite-size	不,就像它是咬的大小一样
310	Basically, that's literally it right there, right?	基本上,这是 字面上就在那里,对不对?
311	It's it's allowing me to build trust with the agent because and what's funny is like you said earlier that kind of clicked in	它允许我和经纪人建立信任 因为有趣的是 就像你刚才说的 那种点击
312	This is what like normal organizations used to do with their engineers, right?	这就像正常的组织 曾经与他们的工程师,对不对?
313	it's like you build a feature and then there was someone whose job like a senior engineer whose job was to review your work and	就像你造了个特色 然后有人像高级工程师一样 来审查你的工作
314	You would have this PR with this description and it would show okay	你会有这个公关 与这个描述, 它会显示好的
315	Basically, this is the work that I've done and this is the test that I've written, right?	基本上,这是我做过的工作, 这是我写的测试,对不对?
316	So it's basically the same thing except now we're doing it with machines like that's essentially it and an example of the video	所以,它基本上是一样的 除了现在,我们正在做 它与机器 这样基本上它和视频的例子
317	This is a this is me using Kershaw Cloud Agents	这是我用克肖云特工
318	It says proof of improvement and like this is a video of the agent at work using the app, right?	上面写着改进的证明 像这样的 工作代理使用应用程序的视频,对不对?
319	So this allows me to your point like Instagram tick-tock.	所以,这允许我讲你的观点 像Instagram勾当。
320	I can watch this and see all right	我可以看这个,看看一切
321	Okay, the agent actually built this and it works	好吧,代理 实际建造了这个,它的工作
322	This makes it easy for me to not have to read code and I can just merge away and live my best life	这让我很容易不用读代码 我就可以融为一体 过上最好的生活
323	and go outside and touch grass	出来摸摸草
324	So there's that now we have	现在我们有了
325	One final step which is the ship step now the ship step I mentioned before and after	最后一个步骤,就是现在的船步,就是我在前后提到的船步
326	But there's this skill called grep loop which uses a third-party service named grep tile	但有一种叫做grep循环的技巧 使用第三方服务 叫做grep砖
327	Which is a code review agent now, you don't need to use a code review agent	你不需要用代码审查代理
328	But if you're really serious about building software and it's going to be used by users	但如果你真的想造软件 用户会用它
329	I highly suggest using some code review agent grep tiles my favorite code code rabbit	我强烈建议使用一些代码审查代理grep瓷砖 我最喜欢的代码兔子
330	Microscope there's tons of good ones out there	显微镜里有很多好东西
331	But me using grep tile they have this skill called grep loop and basically what this does	但我使用grep瓦 他们有这种技能 叫做grep环 基本上它的作用
332	And I think i'll show it with this pr	我想我会展示它与这个PR
333	Grep tile leaves these summaries and then it gives feedback.	Grep瓷砖留下这些摘要,然后给出反馈.
334	For example, this was the initial feedback it gave	例如,这是它最初提供的反馈
335	On the pr there was some issue with you know pagination right here.	试镜上有些问题 你知道这里的帕吉纳
336	Some menu space wasn't preserved	一些菜单空间没有保留
337	So it gave this feedback meaning the agent that wrote the code missed these things and that's fine	所以它给出了这个反馈,意味着 写代码的特工错过了这些东西,这很好
338	It happens right even humans miss these things, right?	它发生的权利,甚至人类 错过这些事情,对不对?
339	But what happens is grep tile not only gives feedback.	但发生的事情是grep瓷砖 不仅提供反馈。
340	It gives a confidence score	给人信心分数
341	Now this is a five out of five because after the feedback was given	这是五分之五 因为反馈后
342	If you see my name and then this line over here the feedback was addressed my agent addressed the feedback	如果你看到我的名字,然后这行 这里的反馈是给的 我的经纪人给的反馈
343	But before the feedback was addressed this score was a three out of five	但是在反馈被处理之前 这个分数是五分之三
344	What that tells my agent is that there are things that it missed and it needs to look at it	这告诉我的经纪人,有些东西 它错过了,它需要看它
345	What the grep loop skill does and by the way, this happens automatically someone doesn't have to write grep loop	顺便说一句,Grep循环技术的功用是自动发生的,有人不用写Grep循环
346	The agent will do it automatically what it does is as follows	特工会自动执行以下任务
347	It says it opens the pr with the before and after proof embedded in the description	上面写着它打开了pr 上面写着在描述中的前后证据
348	Whenever the change has a visible surface measure numbers or output pairs when it doesn't it'll give you numbers right or screenshot	当变化有可见的表面测量数字或输出对时,它不会给你正确的数字或截图
349	And then look what the agent does it runs grep loop or grep grep loop apps	然后看看代理运行的grep循环或grep循环应用
350	The difference is grep loop apps if your file change is like 10 000 lines plus	不同之处在于 grep 循环应用程序, 如果您的文件更改像 10,000 行加
351	That skill activates it.	这技巧能激活它
352	You don't have to worry if the agent does it itself, but look what it does.	你不必担心 经纪人自己做,但看看它做什么。
353	It says	上面写着
354	Grep tile reports five out of five until resolved comments finished by presenting pr url	Grep 砖块报告五分之五,直到通过提交 pr url 完成已解决的评论
355	Basically, what this means is it will the agent will take the feedback it got	基本上,这意味着 经纪人会接受反馈
356	It will go back to build	它会继续建造
357	So check this out.	看看这个
358	Let's say we're at the point.	说如是等正觉.
359	Let me write this down.	让我写下来。
360	We're at the point.	我们到了
361	We're at built we're	我们在建楼
362	Shipped right and it's now running grep loop	右转,它现在运行Grep循环
363	When I get a feedback score a confidence score and it's three out of five	当我得到反馈 得到一个信心得分, 这是三五
364	What now happens remember we were talking about loops.	现在发生的事情 记得我们在谈论循环。
365	This is actually a good loop.	这实际上是一个很好的循环。
366	What happens is this goes back to building	事情是这样的,这回是建筑
367	Now the agent goes back to step two it starts to build after it builds what it does	现在特工回到第二步 开始建造它的工作
368	Does it do it proves and then it ships and here's what happens automatically the agent will wait for a new score	这是否证明了,然后它就上船了 接下来是 代理商会自动等待新的分数
369	Grep tile then gives us a four out of five.	Grep瓷砖再给我们五分之四
370	We caught some things but there's one final thing we missed	我们抓到一些东西,但还有一件事我们错过了
371	Go back to building	回到楼里去
372	Right.	对
373	It builds it proves and guess what it does greg it ships and now I have a five out of five	它建造它 证明并猜它在做什么 船,现在我有一个五分之一
374	When I have a five out of five	当我有五分之一的时候
375	What's left now is for me to merge and I think maybe I have an open pr right here	现在剩下的是让我合并 我想也许我有一个公开的PR就在这里
376	So I can show you what that looks like	这样我才能让你看到它的样子
377	What's left for me?	还剩什么给我?
378	Is to just click merge	就是点击合并
379	when I click merge what happens is	当我点击合并 会发生什么
380	This is finally back in the main copy of the app of the main version of the app	终于回到了应用程序主版的主版
381	And I did this while working on 15 either	我在15号工作时也这么做了
382	simultaneous version	同时版本
383	Sorry	对不起
384	Features 15 different features	特征 15种不同特征
385	With different agents sub agents all that type of stuff what this allows and this is the factory nature	有不同的代理子代理 所有这类的东西 这是工厂性质
386	It allows for an agent to have an isolated instance where it can work on its own	它允许一个特工拥有一个孤立的例子,可以自己工作
387	It has guidelines on how to build it has a methodology to prove its work	它有如何建设的准则,有方法证明它的工作
388	And then it has an external service proving its work checking its work	然后它有一个外部服务 证明它的工作 检查它的工作
389	And if its work is not up to standard it has to continue in a loop working until that standard is met	如果它的工作达不到标准... ...它必须连续工作直到达到标准
390	Once I get a five out of five, this is when I enter the picture	一旦我得到五分之一, 当我进入图片
391	This is what a software factory is notice.	这是软件厂的注意。
392	We didn't talk about model.	我们没谈模特儿
393	We didn't talk about harness	我们没说带子
394	It's all workflows skills and a little bit of domain knowledge, right?	这是所有的工作流程技巧 和一点点的域知识,对不对?
395	Not everybody works the same.	不是每个人都一样
396	This is how I work	这就是我的工作方式
397	But I found great results	但我找到了伟大的结果
398	with this	用这个
399	I'll pause right here greg.	我在这里暂停一下
400	Let me know what I need to further explain or	告诉我我需要什么 进一步解释或
401	or add on	或添加在
402	I i'm like what's clicking in my head is just really this	我觉得我脑海中点的就是这个
403	physical factory analogy for a software factory	软件厂的物理工厂类比
404	So just to like summarize i'm going to tell you how i'm i'm seeing it.	所以,只是喜欢总结 我要告诉你 我是如何看到它。
405	I want I want your thoughts	我要你们的想法
406	So like the isolate piece and the step one	所以像孤立的棋子和第一步
407	Um, that's like a factory taking a custom order and you know giving it its own station	嗯,这就像一个工厂 采取定制订单 你知道它自己的车站
408	So it doesn't mess with the rest of production	所以它不会和生产的其他部分搞乱
409	Right, so you you you know, you called it a work tree, you know in software	对,所以你知道,你称之为工作树, 在软件上
410	It's a branch a work tree an isolated environment, but you know, that's the basic concept.	这是一个分支 一个工作树 一个孤立的环境, 但你知道,这是基本的概念。
411	Yes number two	是,二号
412	Build right build is the assembly line	建造正确的建筑是组装线
413	So the agent is actually like cutting and welding and assembling and wiring the product	所以这个药剂就像切开、焊接、组装、接线
414	Um, obviously in software, you're not doing that.	嗯,很明显在软件里, 你没有这样做。
415	You're writing code.	你在写密码
416	You're changing files	你在改变文件
417	You're adding structure to things you're you're actually creating something that's real in a software in a software sense	你正在把结构加进你正在创造的东西 在软件意义上是真实的
418	Step three is	步骤三是
419	The proving step which is basically a fancy way of saying quality control	证明步骤 基本上是一种美妙的方式 说质量控制
420	So basically right like before anything leaves the factory someone has to test it	所以基本上就跟出厂前一样 得有人去测试一下
421	You're not just going to like create a product and not have people test it like does it	你不只是喜欢创造一种产品 也不要让别人去测试它
422	Turn on does it does it fit does it break under pressure like all the things I you know	打开它合适吗? 它在压力下破解 就像我所知道的一切
423	I'm picturing like a car factor or something like that in software	我想象的像汽车因素 或类似的东西 在软件
424	you know, you can run tests like	你知道,你可以运行测试像
425	Well, you can run tests you can preview it you can do logs you and you know the screenshots you showed and then lastly	你可以运行测试 你可以预览 你可以做日志 你知道你显示的截图 然后最后
426	the shipping piece	运输块
427	Um, it's basically like once it passes quality control, you know, it's going out the door	嗯,它基本上就像一旦它通过质量控制, 你知道,它走出去的门
428	But there's going to be some things that you have to like let you know	但有些事情你必须知道
429	uh	瓳
430	You're gonna have to merge it.	你得把它合并起来
431	You're gonna have to deploy the pr you're gonna have to do release notes	你必须部署PR 你必须做发布通知
432	You're gonna have to you know	你必须要知道
433	Give feedback back to the product team because maybe it doesn't pass quality control and then you have to like do that loop again	把反馈反馈给产品组 因为也许它不会通过质量控制 然后你必须再次喜欢做这个循环
434	Right exactly	没错
435	I think I might actually rename everything you like i've written to what you said because like now i'm realizing like oh	我想我可能真的 重命名你喜欢的一切 我已经写到你说的话 因为像现在一样 我意识到像哦
436	Yeah, my names are terrible that it says make sense.	是啊,我的名字是可怕的 它说有道理。
437	That's exactly how this works	就是这样的
438	Cool, so basically what we're doing here is we're taking a factory	酷,所以基本上我们在这里做的是 我们要去一个工厂
439	And we're making a software factory basically	我们基本上正在制造一个软件厂
440	So and this is why like i've seen again not to knock people startups and products and stuff like that	所以,这就是为什么我再次看到 不再敲人 创业和产品之类的东西
441	Like a software factory is not a product.	像一个软件厂不是产品。
442	It's not a special harness	这不是特别的绳子
443	It's not a like oh this company built a software.	这可不是公司造的软件
444	No a software factory is literally just a bunch of markdown files	没有软件厂只是一堆减记文件
445	And this is also another insane thing off topic.	这也是另一个疯狂的话题。
446	Maybe a different video is	也许另一个视频是
447	Some startups are now	现在有些初创者
448	An agent with a couple markdown files, right?	一个特工有几份降级文件,对吧?
449	We've really entered that time	我们真的进入了那个时代
450	So I hope this made sense for everyone and this excites everyone	所以我希望这对每个人都有道理 这让每个人都兴奋
451	I'm very excited with the time we're in right now because a lot of things are possible now	我对我们现在的时间感到很兴奋 因为现在有很多事情是可能的
452	100 I mean, no, this is this is insane that you're actually able to do this.	100,我的意思是,不, 这是疯狂的,你实际上能够做到这一点。
453	It's cool that you	这很酷,你
454	people like you are like	像你这样的人
455	Sharing this because I think it's it's worthwhile.	分享这个,因为我觉得这是值得的。
456	I want to just do one quick note on	我想说一句
457	Um grep loop or any code review software, you know, I think if you're serious, you know	嗯,grep循环 或任何代码审查软件, 你知道,我认为 如果你是认真的,你知道
458	No affiliation with grep loop, um or anything like that	没有与grep循环,嗯或类似的东西
459	But I think if you're serious about creating software having you know some code review	但我想如果你真的想 创建一些软件... ...你知道一些代码审查
460	software is	软件是
461	Pretty like I I don't understand why you wouldn't use a grep loop a code rabbit one of these tools something right like it means	我好像不明白你为什么不用密码兔子 来做这种工具
462	like because again if you have like, you know	就像再次,如果你有这样的,你知道的
463	We in in business and then I know because a lot of business people are watching	我们做生意,然后我知道 因为很多商人在看
464	You know	你知道吗
465	We take the service we provide and all that stuff seriously	我们认真对待我们提供的服务和所有的东西
466	But it seems like with building software like we just don't care right and if you have people	但是,它似乎像 建设软件 像我们只是不关心的权利 如果你有的人
467	Who are going to use your app?	谁要用你的应用程序?
468	Like I don't know like there's a level of like empathy I have for the user on the other side	我对另一边的用户有同情心
469	And you know like a lot of these like startups because they've raised the jillions of dollars	你知道很多像初创企业一样的 因为他们筹集了巨款
470	Like they have a lot of free tiers like you know	就像他们有很多免费的等级,你知道的
471	You can cycle through free tiers and use a bunch of this stuff for free, right?	你可以通过免费的阶梯循环 免费使用这些东西,对不对?
472	So I highly encourage if you're building something that you're serious you're passionate about.	所以,我非常鼓励你 建造的东西,你是认真的 你热心。
473	I would use a code review agent of any kind	我会用任何密码审查代理
474	Yeah, cool.	是啊,凉爽。
475	Thanks for coming on.	谢谢你能来
476	Thanks for sharing the sauce.	感谢分享酱汁。
477	I'll include links for where to follow	我将包含链接 用于跟踪
478	Mickey on the internet on youtube all those places his his software that he's creating to	Mickey在YouTube的互联网上 将他的软件放在他制作的
479	Go give him a follow and uh, dude.	去跟踪他,嗯,伙计。
480	I'll see you next time.	下次见
481	I appreciate you very much	非常感谢你
482	Always thank you everyone for showing love and watching and yeah, we'll see you in the next one	总是感谢大家 展现爱和看 是的,我们会看到你在下一个
483	And watching and yeah, we'll see you in the next one	看着,是的,我们会看到你在下一个

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P3 · 【AI编程】构建真正有效的软件工厂 · 四步法完整课程 p03 无字幕 (P3)

【AI编程】构建真正有效的软件工厂 · 四步法完整课程 p03 无字幕 (P3)

发布于 2026-09-21 · 时长 31:29

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时间	英文	中文
0:00	What are software factories and why is it going viral?	软件工厂是什么 为什么会是病毒?
0:03	I mean, it's basically this concept that allows you to use AI agents to actually ship	我的意思是,它基本上是这个概念 允许你使用AI代理 实际运送
0:08	Software that isn't sloppy at all that is more like a factory more like think about an assembly line	完全不草率的软件 更像是工厂 更像是想装配线
0:15	And you're just instead of building physical products you're building software and that's kind of the dream	而你只是代替建造 实物产品 你正在建造软件 这就是一种梦想
0:21	I mean if you're able to just create this factory that builds software and it's valuable	我是说如果你能创造出一个制造软件的工厂 那很有价值的
0:26	Software and you can create multiple apps that generate revenue and add value to people's lives that sounds pretty good to me	软件和你可以创建多个应用程序 创造收入 增加人们的生活价值
0:34	So in today's episode I brought on Ross Mike and he clearly explains the entire process by the end of this episode	所以在今天的剧集里 我给罗斯・麦克带来了 他清楚地解释了整个过程
0:40	You're gonna understand how to set your own software factory up yourself.	你会明白怎么建立你自己的软件厂
0:44	So enjoy the episode	享受这集吧
0:45	I can't wait to see what you build	我迫不及待的想看你造什么

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序号	英文	中文
1	What are software factories and why is it going viral?	软件工厂是什么 为什么会是病毒?
2	I mean, it's basically this concept that allows you to use AI agents to actually ship	我的意思是,它基本上是这个概念 允许你使用AI代理 实际运送
3	Software that isn't sloppy at all that is more like a factory more like think about an assembly line	完全不草率的软件 更像是工厂 更像是想装配线
4	And you're just instead of building physical products you're building software and that's kind of the dream	而你只是代替建造 实物产品 你正在建造软件 这就是一种梦想
5	I mean if you're able to just create this factory that builds software and it's valuable	我是说如果你能创造出一个制造软件的工厂 那很有价值的
6	Software and you can create multiple apps that generate revenue and add value to people's lives that sounds pretty good to me	软件和你可以创建多个应用程序 创造收入 增加人们的生活价值
7	So in today's episode I brought on Ross Mike and he clearly explains the entire process by the end of this episode	所以在今天的剧集里 我给罗斯・麦克带来了 他清楚地解释了整个过程
8	You're gonna understand how to set your own software factory up yourself.	你会明白怎么建立你自己的软件厂
9	So enjoy the episode	享受这集吧
10	I can't wait to see what you build	我迫不及待的想看你造什么
11	There's a reason why this concept is going viral and I'll see you at the end today's episode is brought to you by Brex	有个原因,这个概念是病毒化的, 我会看到你在今天的结尾 剧集由Brex带来给你
12	My company's been on Brex for a year and a half and I started because I kept hearing companies like Vercel open AI	我的公司在Brex上已经一年半了 我开始是因为我一直听到公司的声音 像Vercel打开AI
13	Anthropic were using Brex and I figured if they're using it why shouldn't die?	Anthropic在使用Brex 我想如果他们在使用它 为什么不应该死?
14	It's been a game changer.	这已经是一个游戏的改变者。
15	The thing that got me is how smooth it is.	我得到的东西是 它是多么的光滑。
16	It's got high-limit cards.	有高限牌.
17	It's got banking	有银行业务
18	It's got AI that handles the back office busy work like expense reports, which I don't want to do on its own	它有AI,处理后 办公室繁忙的工作 像开支报告, 我不想自己做
19	It's really just built for this agentic world if you're building something new	它真的只是为这个代理世界建造 如果你正在建造新的东西
20	It's time to get Brex check it out at brex.com solutions start-ups link in the description	是时候让Brex在描述中的 brex.com 解决方案启动链接中检查出来
21	Mickey welcome back to the pod by the end of this episode.	米奇欢迎回到舱 本集结束。
22	What are people gonna learn?	人们会学到什么?
23	We're gonna understand what this bizarre phrase software factory means.	我们要明白这个奇怪的词 软件厂的意思。
24	I'm actually gonna show you how I run mine	我其实是要告诉你 我如何运行我的
25	It's a lot easier than you think and it's definitely model and harness agnostic	比你想象的要简单得多 而且绝对是模型和不可知论
26	So you don't have to purchase some different product to have a software factory.	所以你不需要购买一些不同的产品来拥有一个软件厂.
27	It's gonna be fun and it's gonna be simple	会很有趣的 很简单
28	okay, so you're gonna explain what it is why it matters how it works how to think about it by the end of this people are	好吧,所以你要去解释它是什么 它是什么重要 它如何工作 如何思考到这些人的结尾
29	just gonna be able to	只是会是能够
30	Boot up their own software factory if they want or if they think you know what this Ross Mike guide	如果他们想或者他们觉得你知道罗斯・麦克的指南
31	I don't I don't like software factories.	我不喜欢软件厂
32	I don't like what he's saying they can pass	我不喜欢他说他们能通过的东西
33	100% 100%
34	With the term software factory, there's been a lot of like startups who've started and you know	随着软件厂这个术语, 有很多像初创企业 谁已经开始,你知道
35	I'm not here to knock anyone's hustle	我不是来敲别人的
36	But a software factory is	但是一个软件厂
37	Completely harness and model agnostic meaning it doesn't matter what model you use	完全使用和模型 不可知论的意思 它并不重要 你使用什么模型
38	It doesn't matter what harness you use	你用什么绳子不重要
39	It should work right because a software factory is more about someone's workflow skills and domain knowledge and it's packed up in	它应该是正确的,因为一个软件厂 更多关于某人的工作流程技能和域知识 并包装在
40	Specific skills that they use in their development process now	他们现在在发展进程中使用的具体技能
41	I want everyone to think like the last after the ability probably went on codex Claude code curse or whatever it is	我希望每个人都能像上次那样思考 可能是因为Claude的密码诅咒
42	And you just typed right you said I want to build this and it built it out for you	你刚刚打的对 你说我想建这个 它为你建造
43	You saw it and you didn't like it and then you made some changes, right?	你看到它,你不喜欢它 然后你做了一些改变,对不对?
44	And you saw the changes maybe you liked it	你看见了变化 也许你喜欢它
45	You deployed it to versell or to production and you're good to go or you keep kept on iterating	你用它来画画画画画画画画画画画 也可以继续画画画画画
46	That's the process the whole point of a software factory is in each step of the development process	软件厂在开发过程中的每一个步骤 都有一个过程
47	How can I best maximize the models capability to get the greatest output right?	我怎样才能最大限度地发挥模型的能力 才能得到最大的输出?
48	And also, how can I move fast right because if we're using the term factory	而且,我怎么才能快速行动呢 因为如果我们在使用工厂这个词
49	There's some sort of structure and speed and conveyor belt nature that allows me to ship as quick as possible	有某种结构 速度和传送带 允许我尽快运送
50	without losing	不输
51	Quality, that's the long bloated Michael Schumacher translate a definition of software factory	质量,这就是长期膨胀的迈克尔·舒马赫 翻译软件厂的定义
52	I haven't lost anyone hopefully Greg.	我并没有失去任何人 希望格雷格。
53	That was perfect.	这是完美的。
54	Okay, so	好吧,这样吧
55	Understood, but like why does that matter?	明白了,但为什么这很重要?
56	the reason why it matters is	关键的原因
57	Intelligence is continuing to increase.	情报继续增加。
58	我们有惊人的模型,如GPT 6 Astra a
59	Good software factory allows you to systemize and use these models in a very efficient way	良好的软件厂可以使这些模型系统化,并以非常高效的方式使用
60	Versus just typing in and continue to go back and forth and I think it's better.	Versus只是打字 并继续回转 我觉得这样更好
61	I just show you how mine works	我只是告诉你我的功用
62	To give people an idea now	现在给大家一个想法
63	I'll give my skills are available for free no charge nothing like that	我会免费提供我的技能 而不是那样
64	But I don't want you to blindly copy me	但我不希望你盲目地复制我
65	I would like for you to think about it understand the process and then apply it yourself	我想让你们考虑一下 了解这个过程 然后自己应用
66	That being said I have	这么说,我有
67	About five or six files that make my software factory	大约5到6个文件 使我的软件厂
68	I have an agents dot MD file and for everyone who might not be aware with for age what an agents dot MD file is	我有一个特工点MD文件, 对于每个可能不知道年龄的人来说 特工点MD文件是什么
69	It's basically this one document this one markdown file.	基本上就是这个文件 这个减记文件
70	That's injected into the system prompt.	注射到系统迅速。
71	That's inject	这是注射
72	Sorry, not in the system prompt that's injected into the agent chat every time you communicate with an agent	抱歉 系统里没有输入代理聊天的提示
73	So every time I say hi and there's an agents dot MD file before the highest set the agents dot MD file asset	所以每次我问好 和有代理点MD文件 之前的最高设置 代理点MD文件资产
74	And what's cool about this file is I can sort of dictate how I want the agent to act and	这个文件最酷的就是 我可以决定我如何让特工行动
75	We actually did a video not too long ago Greg where I talked about most people's agent dot MD file is useless	不久前,我们拍了一段录像 Greg 在那里,我谈到 大多数人的代理点MD文件是没用的
76	because they were telling the agent empty file what the code looked like and	因为他们告诉代理空文件 代码是什么样子和
77	Already information that's in the code base that the agent can already know about but if you look at mine	特工已经知道密码库里的信息了 但是如果你看看我
78	There's a simple workflow and this workflow is something that's not native to the agent	有个简单的工作流程 这个工作流程对特工来说不是本体的
79	So it explains clearly how to do it and I'll walk you through every single step.	所以,它清楚地解释了如何做到这一点, 我会走你的每一步。
80	The first step is isolate	第一步是隔离
81	There's a skill called new feature and this is what it does.	有一种技能叫做新特征 这就是它的作用。
82	It says every new feature	上面写着每个新特点
83	Starts in a fresh get work tree branched from origin main so agents can work in parallel without conflicts	开始从源头开始 工作树分支 这样代理商可以平行工作而无冲突
84	Never built on me.	从来没有建立在我身上。
85	And if you know when Michael is on Greg's channel	如果你知道迈克尔何时在格雷格频道
86	There's always diagram.	总是有图。
87	So we're about to draw so with the first step when I'm working on a project and	所以,我们即将画出这样的第一步 当我在做一个项目和
88	I tell it to work on a feature.	我告诉它工作 一个特色。
89	The first thing it's going to do is isolate and what this basically means is you can think of	它要做的第一件事是隔离 这基本上意味着你可以想到
90	Greg and Mike's app you can think of Greg's and Mike app like the journey being you know	格雷格和迈克的应用 你可以想到格雷格和迈克的应用 就像旅程 你知道
91	We started here.	我们从这里开始的。
92	We started prompting here and this is when we launched a production.	我们开始在这里催促,这是当我们推出一个生产。
93	We've got thousands of customers	我们有成千上万的顾客
94	The way most people work with their agents is at every single step of the journey they're building a feature	大多数人的工作方式 与他们的代理 是在旅程的每一步 他们正在建立一个特色
95	They're building a feature.	他们正在打造一个特色。
96	They're building a feature and it's it's a very linear process	他们正在构建一个特征, 这是一个非常线性的过程
97	right one feature at a time one feature at a time one feature at a time and	右一个特性 一次一个特性 一次一个特性
98	If you ever try to work part like like with on multiple features the same time.	如果你曾经尝试像工作一样 在多个特征上 同时。
99	Sometimes there's conflicts	有时有冲突
100	There's issues people have you know, oh my agent deleted this file that overwrote this file	有问题 人们知道, 哦,我的经纪人删除了 这个文件,
101	What this first step isolate does is the following I'm going to show via diagram	第一步的隔离是 我要通过图表来显示
102	So let's say Greg was like I really don't like our landing page and I'm telling Greg, you know our	因此,让我们假设格雷格是 我真的不喜欢我们的登陆页 我告诉格雷格,你知道我们的
103	Our API calls can be faster when Greg works on this feature	我们的API电话可以更快 当Greg工作在这个功能上
104	What the agent does using my agents dot MD is it's going to create a new branch and you can think of a branch as	特工使用我的特工点MD 会建立一个新的分支 你可以认为分支
105	a copy paste of the exact moment where the app is	应用程序的确切时间的复制粘贴
106	So Greg is going to work on a new branch a new work tree of the app	所以Greg打算去一个新的分支工作 新的工作树的应用
107	A work tree is basically a copy of the app	工作树基本上就是应用程序的复制品
108	Like you can think of someone copying a block of text pasting it in a new document	就像有人在新文档中 复制一整块文字
109	Working on that document and at some point going to merge it back in the original document.	正在研究该文件,并在某个时候将其重新并入原始文件。
110	So that's what Greg is doing	格雷格就是这样做的
111	He has a new document working on that feature	他有一份新文件正在研究这个功能
112	And guess what Mike has another feature has to work on so I can do it at the same time or I could do it a	猜猜迈克有另一个功能 需要工作 所以我可以同时做到这一点 或者我可以做到这一点
113	Different time.	不同时间
114	I now have my own branch	我现在有自己的树枝
115	Here's what's cool	这是很酷的
116	Me and Greg and another person or you yourself with 50 different agents can work on multiple features	我和Greg还有另一个人 或者你和50个不同的特工 可以研究多个特性
117	And there's not going to be an issue of one agent overstepping on another agent's work	也不会出现一个特工越位的问题
118	This happens a lot to people if you ever see tweets Greg of people saying man	如果你看到Greg说男人的微博 这种事对人们来说很常见
119	Like I was working on this and the agent deleted a bunch of stuff	就像我在忙这个 经纪人删了一堆东西
120	Almost always it's because people have their agents working on different features on the same branch	几乎总是因为人们的特工 在同一分支上工作着不同的特征
121	And the agent will do what you tell it to do	经纪人会照你的话去做
122	So you told it to update the landing page, but then you also told it to make the api calls faster	所以,你告诉它更新 登陆页面, 但你也告诉它 使Api呼叫更快
123	And now it's noticing oh these pages the way they're calling the api suck	现在它注意到了哦 这些页 他们所谓的猿吸
124	Let me delete these and write these again, but then it was working on a design on that page.	让我去删掉这些,再写一遍, 但后来它正在研究那页的设计。
125	So issues start to arise	所以,问题开始出现
126	Isolate allows me to work on multiple features at the same time	孤立让我同时研究多个特性
127	Parallelly without having an agent overstep on an agent	与此同时,没有代理人越位
128	This is the first step of my workflow.	这是我工作流程的第一步。
129	This isn't native to the agent.	这对特工来说不是本地人
130	So this	所以这个
131	makes sense to exist in	有道理存在于
132	the agents.md file and when	代理 . md 文件及何时
133	Greg is done or when i'm done and i'll explain like the workflow for this but just to close the loop	Greg已经搞定了 或者等我做完了 我会解释的 就像这个工作流程
134	When Mike's done all I do is	当迈克完成了我所做的一切
135	Merge these changes back and then what Greg's done	把这些变化合并起来 然后Greg做了什么
136	He can either do it before me or he can do it after me	他要么在我之前做 要么在我之后做
137	But we're merging into the into the main	但是,我们合并到主
138	Document and there's not going to be conflicts because we worked on a copy at first	文件和不会有冲突 因为我们刚开始就研究了一本
139	So this allows me to ship fast with multiple agents if I show you	这样我就能跟多个探员一起快船
140	And I can maybe show here if I show you my terminal if you notice there's	如果我告诉你我的终点站 如果你注意到
141	Four tabs of bezelo three of them finished	四块贝赛罗三块
142	But I literally have four different features on the same exact app one's working on an email client	但我实际上有四个不同的功能 在同一个准确的应用 一个工作 在电子邮件客户端
143	The other one is working on a computer environment a linux environment	另外一个在电脑环境上工作 一个Linux环境
144	The other one is doing a landing page update so I can work on these confidently	另一个正在更新登陆页 这样我就能自信地处理这些
145	While still having isolation.	还在隔离
146	It's not native to the agent	经纪人不是本地人
147	This agents.md plus the new feature skill	这个代理商Md加上新的特性技能
148	Allows me to do that i'll pause here any questions Greg so far	允许我这样做,我会暂停 在这里任何问题 Greg 到目前为止
149	Yeah, I mean it's	是啊,我是说
150	Like crystal clear.	如结晶清净.
151	I think it's if the way I think about it is if you actually had a team	我认为,如果我的想法是 如果你真的有一个团队
152	Of engineers and you are trying to build an app you obviously wouldn't be	工程师和你想制造一个应用程序 你显然不会
153	Building it all on main and having everyone just being pushing to main and stuff like that.	把它全部建在主上, 让每个人只是推向主 之类的东西。
154	That just doesn't make sense.	这根本说不通
155	I think um	我觉得嗯
156	You know, i'm non-technical	你知道,我不是技术
157	Um, and I think you have all of a sudden all these non-technical people starting to build apps and they're running into this	嗯,我想你 突然,所有这些非技术的人 开始制造应用 他们跑到这个
158	You know, you you basically made mention you're kind of like, oh hey, man	你知道,你基本上说 你有点像,哦,嘿,男人
159	Like sometimes it happens that agents overwrite stuff	碞钩Τ 牡贝穦
160	I mean the truth is 95 percent of the time if you're built it	我的意思是,真相是95%的时间 如果你建造它
161	You're going to have agents kind of mess up and overwrite things.	你会有特工 那种混乱和覆盖的东西。
162	So this is like	这就像
163	To me this you know makes a lot of sense and it's sort of a bigger idea	对我来说,你知道这有很多道理, 这是一个更大的想法
164	Which is how do you structure?	你是如何构建的?
165	your	您的电话
166	You know the way you work with agents to be more like a team	你知道你和特工合作的方式 更像一个团队
167	versus	对
168	Uh, you know, yeah, no just more like a team	嗯,你知道,是的,没有 只是像一个团队
169	Yeah, I mean and I mean it's a better name a team is better than isolate.	是啊,我的意思是,我的意思是 这是一个更好的名字 一个团队比孤立更好。
170	I might take the team	我可能会带球队去
171	but that's	但这是
172	That's why i'm the marketer and you're the uh, the engineer	所以我是推销员 而你是工程师
173	But yeah, that's basically what it is, right?	但是,是的,这基本上是它是什么,对不对?
174	So isolate sounds like	所以隔离听起来像
175	Some sort of like whey protein that i'm yeah	某种像Whey蛋白质,我是啊
176	So if you guys check the link there will be a name update very soon	所以,如果你们检查链接 很快会有名字更新
177	But that's basically what this does it allows for me to have multiple agents working on different tasks all at the same time	但基本上这能让我有多个特工 同时执行不同的任务
178	Without overstepping each other right and there's also a cleanup process	没有越位的权利 也有清理的过程
179	I won't get into like once the branch like once the work is merged in the work tree gets deleted	工作树上的工作一旦合并 我就不会像分行一样被删掉
180	All that type of stuff happens.	所有这种事情都会发生
181	So that's step number one.	所以这是第一步。
182	Number two is the actual building and this I find	二号是真正的建筑,我发现
183	Has this was a skill that I shared originally way back, but now it's part of my workflow	这是否是我原先分享过的一种技能?
184	And I shared with everyone is code structure	我和大家分享的是代码结构
185	We're going to talk about models soon	我们马上就要谈模特了
186	but one thing about	但有一点
187	Uh, the models is they are great at doing the work	模特儿很擅长做这个工作
188	It just might not be done the best way, right?	这也许不是最好的办法 对吧?
189	Especially when writing code	特别是写代码时
190	There's for example fable is I would say one of the first models to really	举例来说,有寓言,我会说 最早的模型之一 真的
191	Write code that I would say, huh?	写密码,我会说,是吧?
192	like	喜欢
193	This is better than some of the best engineers i've seen right like fable runs writes really good code	这比一些最好的工程师好 我见过右 像寓言跑写 非常好的代码
194	But even astra which is workhorse most powerful model my favorite model	但即使Astra是最强大的模型 我最喜欢的模型
195	Some of the code quality decisions it makes is uh, and it's not that the model's not capable	有些代码质量决定是 呃 并不是模型不能
196	The model's is just getting it done.	模型的只是把它完成。
197	And if it could get it done in a sloppy way	如果能用草率的方式完成的话
198	It'll get it done in a sloppy way	这会很草率地完成的
199	What the code structure skill does it writes it in what's called a service layer architecture won't bore everywhere	它的代码结构技术 写在所谓的服务层架构上 不会在任何地方无聊
200	But basically it's written in a way where let's say you had you needed human intervention	但基本上写的方式 可以说你需要人类干预
201	You hired a developer very easy for the developer to catch on or you yourself are a developer very easy for you to catch on	你雇了一个开发商 很容易让开发商赶上 或者你自己是开发商 很容易让你赶上
202	But even for your agents for them to come back to the code and read the code	但即使你的特工 让他们回到密码 并读到密码
203	They'll be like, oh like yeah, like it makes sense	他们会像,哦,是的,就像它有意义
204	Like i've had like i've had gbt 5.6 soul write code and it works	就像我有GBT 5.6 灵魂写代码 它工作
205	It does what it's supposed to do	它做它应该做的
206	But then i'll have fable review the code and fable will be like this is disgusting like there's duplications	但我会有寓言 检查代码和寓言 将像这恶心 像有重复
207	There's functions all over the place.	到处都有功能.
208	There's dead code, right?	有死密码,对不对?
209	So just because it works doesn't mean it's written.	所以,仅仅因为它的工作不代表它是写出来的.
210	Well, this skill	这个技巧
211	Gives the agent a guideline on how to write code.	给特工一个如何写代码的指引.
212	So going back to this diagram again	所以又回到这个图表
213	I'm working on a new feature, right?	我在研究一个新的功能,对吧?
214	the first thing that happens is isolate the second thing that happens is and i'm gonna I hope people are seeing the	第一件事是隔离第二件事 我希望人们能看到
215	Factory nature of it.	工厂性质
216	The second thing that happens is the building and in building we're using a skill called	第二件事是建筑和建筑 我们使用一种叫做
217	code structure and basically in this process when i'm telling the agent oh build me	密码结构 基本上在这个过程中 当我告诉代理OH建立我
218	This ending page build me	这个结尾页面造我
219	Of this feature, for example	例如,这一特点
220	I've been working on this app and the one feature that I wanted built is I wanted a skills	我一直在研究这个应用,我想要的其中一个特点 就是我想要技能
221	Like repository where I can have different agents of mine connect to this app and store the skills and I basically told the agent	就像寄存器 在那里我可以有 不同的特工 我的连接到这个应用程序 并存储技能 我基本上告诉了特工
222	Build me that and as it was writing the code it kept referencing the code structure	帮我建这个,当它写代码的时候 它一直引用代码结构
223	Skill, so it started to write code in a way that me as a developer I can review	Skill,所以它开始写代码的方式 我作为一个开发者,我可以审查
224	But you know god forbid I need to hire somebody to review the code	但你知道上帝禁止我雇人审查密码
225	It's not going to be the slop cannon where they're confused and they don't know what to do or they overcharge you	不会是大炮 在那里他们困惑, 他们不知道该怎么办 或者他们多收你钱
226	It's written in a way for a developer to understand and I find that	它写的方式 一个开发者理解 我发现
227	If you use another agent that doesn't have context on your code base, it will understand it very well	如果你用另一个没有上下文的代理, 它会非常了解它
228	So first we isolate excuse the bad name	所以,我们首先隔离 借口的坏名字
229	Second we build right and all of these are done in an opinionated way that allow the agent to move	第二,我们建立权利,所有这一切 都以一种有见解的方式 使代理移动
230	Fast and to do the thing as best as possibly	尽可能快做最好的事
231	Can be	可能会
232	I think this makes sense, right?	我觉得这样很合理,对吧?
233	Great.	不错
234	Yep.	对
235	Keep going	继续
236	So step number three is prove.	第三步就证明了
237	Here's the thing	是这样的
238	You know agents can't pinky promise	你知道特工们不会答应的
239	Right, so like if you push an agent enough well gpt six astra is	好吧,所以如果你推一个 足够好的经纪人 Gpt 6 Astra是
240	The reason why it's a big leap in model capability is like it like the like it is the least hallucinating model	模型能力大跃进的原因 就像是幻觉最小的模型
241	Which is fantastic	这太棒了
242	but like that model aside most models you can kind of push to like	但是,像那个模型 除了大多数模型 你可以推那种喜欢
243	Lie or to believe something or it sometimes will straight up be like oh	撒谎或相信什么 否则它有时会像OH
244	I actually realized I didn't do this work for you	我其实意识到我并不是为你做的
245	So one thing that I have the agent prove the agent do is to prove the work that it did	所以有一件事,我让经纪人证明 经纪人做的是证明它所做的工作
246	And this is probably my favorite skill	这也许是我最喜欢的技巧
247	There's two skills involved in this evidence-driven testing and basically what evidence-driven testing does if your machine has the capability to do it	这种由证据驱动的测试涉及两种技能 基本上由证据驱动的测试能做什么 如果你的机器有能力做
248	it will literally record the	它会记录
249	Before state meaning before the feature or let's say you're trying to fix a bug	在功能前的状态意义之前 或者说你想修一个错误
250	It will record the bug in action	它会记录运行中的错误
251	And what it will do after is after it's done fixing it will record a working version after	之后它要做的是完成修复后 记录一个工作版本
252	Right, so this is what evidence-driven testing does it proves that the fix	对,所以这是证据驱动的测试 证明了固定
253	Actually was made because you'll be surprised sometimes the agent will write the code and it'll think it worked	其实是因为你会很惊讶 有时特工会写代码 它会认为它有用
254	But it didn't test it or it proved that it worked and it just told you it worked	但是它没有测试它,或者它证明了它有效 它只是告诉你它有效
255	So I need to make sure that the agent actually proved this work	所以我得确保特工能证明这工作
256	But let's say let's say your machine doesn't have the capability to do that	但假设你的机器没有这个能力
257	There's another skill called before and after and I can actually let me pull up a pr to show this greg because I think	之前和之后还有一种技能 我其实可以让我拉个P来展示这个格格
258	It is better show you than I tell you	不如告诉你
259	This is a pr my agent made	这是我的经纪人做的试镜
260	I didn't make this the agent made this and I wanted it to create an admin email page and connect to an email service	我没有让这个代理做这个 我希望它能建立一个管理电子邮件页面 并连接到电子邮件服务
261	that I made	我做了一个
262	Look at what it did.	观其所作.
263	It showed me a before state where the page didn't exist.	它告诉我一个之前的状态 那里没有页面。
264	It just it didn't	只是没有
265	And it shows me the after state	它给我看之后的状态
266	Right.	对
267	So for every feature that i'm building every pr that i'm doing	所以,每一个功能,我正在构建 我所做的每个pr
268	I am getting a before state and after state and the reason why this helps this helps me like	我得到了一个前州和后州的原因 和为什么这样做帮助我喜欢
269	I'll be honest.	我会说实话的
270	I'm not reading all my code nowadays like I might like okay did this	我今时不读所有密码,我可能喜欢这样做
271	Like let's see	让我们看看
272	Barely, it's a skim.	勉强,是滑行.
273	It's a skim situation	这是个滑稽的情况
274	I'll be honest the skims have even become less and less now	老实说,现在的滑板越来越少了
275	But a lot of the things that i'm doing now is i'm working on the front end where I make sure that it's following	但我现在所做的很多事情是 我在前端工作 在那里我确保它遵循
276	My code structure skill and I make sure i'm getting before and after screenshots, right?	我的密码结构技巧,我确保 我得到前后截图,对不对?
277	I can even pull up.	我甚至可以拉起来。
278	Let me pull up another	让我再拉一拉
279	Example here's a more prominent example where I was working on a specific	举个例子,我正在研究
280	A computer feature where I wanted to give my agent a computer	我想给我经纪人一台电脑的电脑功能
281	And it just didn't work right the first run didn't work	第一次跑步没有成功
282	Um, I didn't even have like my software factory set up	嗯,我甚至没有像 我的软件厂设置
283	I was working on a different machine and it pushed the code and it didn't work as you can see nothing's going on	我研究了另一台机器 它推开了代码 它没有工作,因为你可以看到什么都没有发生
284	I told my agent it didn't work use the skills use the factory	我告诉我的经纪人没有用工厂的技巧
285	And this is the after screenshot with it actually using the app, right?	这是后面的截图,它实际上使用 应用,对不对?
286	So these skills the prove and the before and after	因此,这些技能 证明和前后
287	Force the agent to give me	强迫特工给我
288	factual like a before and after proof whether it's a video or	事实就像一个前后 证明它是视频还是
289	It's screenshots and there are times where it'll do the before but then it'll do the after and it'll be like	这是截图,有时它会做 之前,但后来它会做
290	Oh, I just looked at the after screenshot or the after video and I didn't really finish the feature	哦,我刚刚看了之后的截图 或之后的视频 我并没有真正完成这个功能
291	So i'll go back to what i'll go back to building	所以,我会回到什么 我会回到建筑
292	Right.	对
293	This is the factory nature of it.	这就是工厂的性质。
294	I didn't have to tell it	我不用说出来
295	Oh, but yeah, you failed your before and after go finish	哦,但是,是的,你失败了 你的前后去完成
296	The the skills are in in a way where the agent knows, okay	技术在一种方式 经纪人知道,好吗?
297	The before and after criteria hasn't been met.	前后标准未达.
298	I have to go continue on building, right?	我必须继续建设,对不对?
299	so this	所以这个
300	Gives me a visual representation of the work that's been done	让我可以直观地描述已经完成的工作
301	It makes reviewing especially if you're a non-technical person	特别是如果你是非技术人员的话
302	It makes reviewing easier because you know, I just look at some screenshots or a video, right?	它使审查更容易 因为,你知道,我只是 看一些截图或视频,对不对?
303	So in the building process at some point	所以在建设过程中
304	I'll have a pr where I get to see before and after and even though I might not understand all this mumbo jumbo	我会在之前和之后看一看 虽然我可能不明白这些蠢事
305	It it will it will explain it will show me visual	它会解释它会给我看
306	Um proof that the work's been done now.	证明工作已经完成了
307	I already hear somebody asking what if the proof is not visual	我已经听到有人问 如果证据不是视觉的
308	and there's actually	其实还有
309	um a pr i'll show someone performance	嗯,一个pr,我会展示某人的表演
310	I think it's this one	我想是这个
311	Okay, so I wanted to do another example here.	好,我想再举个例子
312	I wanted to do a performance update	我想做一个表演更新
313	Meaning for one of the apps I was building the clicks weren't snappy enough like you can see now everything is snappy	意思是我正在制作的应用程序 点击不够快,你可以看到现在一切都很快
314	It's loading fast.	快装了
315	That wasn't the case	不是那样的
316	So I told the agent fix it and it did	所以我告诉经纪人修好了它
317	And it did end up giving me screenshots	最终它给了我截图
318	But let's say this was like something that it couldn't give me screenshots for	但是,让我们假设这是的东西 它不能给我截图
319	It will write tests and then it'll give me the results in this case	它会写测试 然后它会给我这个案子的结果
320	It checked the speed at which the page was loading before in this case one of the pages 815 milliseconds	它检查了在815毫秒的页前装入的速度
321	This is a sin in web development like this cannot happen and mind you this was written by gbt 5.6 soul, right?	这在网络开发中是罪过 像这样是不可能发生的 记住这是Gbt 5.6灵魂写的 对吧?
322	great model	好样的
323	But it got it down to 60	但它把它降为60
324	817 61 so I have again actual proof	81761,所以我又有实际证据了
325	By the agent that it's done what it said it did in the review process	被代理人说已经按审查程序做了
326	I'll pause right there	我在这里暂停一下
327	Anything I've missed so far gregor does it so?	我错过了什么吗?
328	you know	你知道吗
329	if you're trying to build a	如果你试图建立一个
330	Software factory trust obviously is going to be a big part of that	软件厂的信托显然将成为其中的一大部分
331	And I think what you're saying is hey we're if you know, you're gonna if you're gonna have all these agents, you know	我想,你的意思是,嘿,我们是,如果你知道, 你会得到所有这些特工,你知道的。
332	Building features building apps.	建筑特色建筑应用.
333	We need to be able to trust the things that it's going to create because what you're saying is	我们需要能够相信它将创造的东西 因为你说的是
334	Here are a couple skills that allow you as like the agent manager where in this case	这里有几种技能,可以让你像代理经理一样 在这个情况下
335	Mickey you're like you are the agent manager, right?	米奇,你就像你是经纪人,对不对?
336	You're not you're you're not deep in the code anymore	你不是你 你不再深入密码
337	You're kind of just looking at what's happening	你只是看看发生了什么
338	and what's cool about	还有什么很酷的
339	The before and after visual stuff is it's kind of good for	视觉之前和之后的东西 是种好的
340	You know millennials and gen z or people on you know, instagram stories or snap stories stuff like that	你知道千禧年和Gen z或人们 你知道,Instagram故事 或快速的故事之类的东西
341	It's almost like you're just like clicking through story to story.	这几乎就像你只是 点击的故事到故事。
342	Yes.	对
343	No, like it's it's it's bite size	不,就像它是咬的大小一样
344	Basically, that's literally it right there, right?	基本上,这是 字面上就在那里,对不对?
345	It's it's allowing me to build trust with the agent because and what's funny is like you said earlier	它允许我和经纪人建立信任 因为有趣的是你刚才说的
346	And it kind of clicked in my head	我脑海中闪烁着
347	This is what like normal organizations used to do with their engineers, right?	这就像正常的组织 曾经与他们的工程师,对不对?
348	It's like you build a feature and then there was someone whose job like a senior engineer whose job was to review your work	就像你造了个特写 然后有人像高级工程师一样 来审查你的工作
349	And you would have this pr with this description	你会有这个 pr 与这个描述
350	And it would show okay.	它会显示好的。
351	Basically, this is the work that i've done and this is the test that i've written, right?	基本上,这是我做过的工作, 这是我写的测试,对不对?
352	So it's basically the same thing except now we're doing it with machines like that's essentially it and an example of the video	所以,它基本上是一样的 除了现在,我们正在做 它与机器 这样基本上它和视频的例子
353	um	垛
354	This is a this is me using cursor cloud agents	这个是我用光标云剂
355	It says proof of improvement and like this is a video of the agent at work	上面写着改进的证据 像这样的 是工作代理的录像
356	Using the app right so this allows me to your point like instagram tiktok.	使用软件,这样我就能像Instagram tiktok那样讲到你们的观点。
357	I can watch this	我可以看这个
358	And see all right.	而见一切法.
359	Okay, the agent actually built this and it works	好吧,代理 实际建造了这个,它的工作
360	This makes it easy for me to not have to read code and I can just merge away and live my best life	这让我很容易不用读代码 我就可以融为一体 过上最好的生活
361	And go outside and touch grass	出去摸摸草丛
362	So there's that now we have	现在我们有了
363	One final step which is the ship step now the ship step I mentioned before and after	最后一个步骤,就是现在的船步,就是我在前后提到的船步
364	But there's the skill called grep loop which uses a third party service named grep tile	但是有一种叫做grep循环的技巧 它使用第三方服务 叫做grep瓷砖
365	Which is a code review agent now you don't need to use a code review code review agent	你不需要用代码审查 代码审查代理
366	But if you're really serious about building software and it's going to be used by users	但如果你真的想造软件 用户会用它
367	I highly suggest using some code review agent grep tiles my favorite code code rabbit macroscope.	我强烈建议使用一些代码审查代理grep 瓷砖 我最喜欢的代码 兔子宏观镜。
368	There's tons of good ones out there	外面有很多好东西
369	But me using grep tile they have this skill called grep loop	但我用grep瓦 他们有这种技能叫做grep环
370	And basically what this does and I think i'll show it with this pr	基本上,这是做什么的 我想我会显示它与这个PR
371	Grep tile leaves these summaries and then it gives feedback.	Grep瓷砖留下这些摘要,然后给出反馈.
372	For example, this was the initial feedback it gave	例如,这是它最初提供的反馈
373	Um on the pr there was some issue with you know pagination right here	嗯,在Pr上有一些问题 你知道Pagination在这里
374	Some menu space wasn't preserved	一些菜单空间没有保留
375	So it gave this feedback meaning the agent that wrote the code missed these things and that's fine	所以它给出了这个反馈,意味着 写代码的特工错过了这些东西,这很好
376	It happens right even humans miss these things, right?	它发生的权利,甚至人类 错过这些事情,对不对?
377	But what happens is grep tile not only gives feedback it gives a confidence score	但发生的情况是grep瓷砖 不仅给回馈 也给信心分数
378	Now this is a five out of five because after the feedback was given	这是五分之五 因为反馈后
379	If you see my name and then this line over here the feedback was addressed my agent addressed the feedback	如果你看到我的名字,然后这行 这里的反馈是给的 我的经纪人给的反馈
380	But before the feedback was addressed this score was a three out of five	但是在反馈被处理之前 这个分数是五分之三
381	What that tells my agent is that there are things that it missed and it needs to look at it	这告诉我的经纪人,有些东西 它错过了,它需要看它
382	What the grep loop skill does and by the way, this happens automatically someone doesn't have to write grep loop	顺便说一句,Grep循环技术的功用是自动发生的,有人不用写Grep循环
383	The agent will do it automatically what it does is as follows	特工会自动执行以下任务
384	It says it opens the pr with the before and after proof embedded in the description	上面写着它打开了pr 上面写着在描述中的前后证据
385	Whenever the change has a visible surface measure numbers or output pairs when it doesn't it'll give you numbers right or screenshot	当变化有可见的表面测量数字或输出对时,它不会给你正确的数字或截图
386	And then look what the agent does it runs grep loop or grep grep loop apps	然后看看代理运行的grep循环或grep循环应用
387	The difference is grep loop apps.	区别在于grep循环应用.
388	If your file change was like 10 000 lines plus	如果你的文件更改像 1万行加
389	That skill activates again.	这技能又激活了
390	You don't have to worry if the agent does it itself, but look what it does.	你不必担心 经纪人自己做,但看看它做什么。
391	It says	上面写着
392	Grep tile reports five out of five until resolved comments finished by presenting pr url	Grep 砖块报告五分之五,直到通过提交 pr url 完成已解决的评论
393	Basically what this means is it will the agent will take the feedback it it got	基本上这意味着 经纪人会接受反馈
394	It will go back to build	它会继续建造
395	So check this out.	看看这个
396	Let's say we're at the point.	说如是等正觉.
397	Let me write this down.	让我写下来。
398	We're at the point.	我们到了
399	We're at built.	我们在建。
400	We're at	我们到了
401	Ship right and it's now running grep loop	船右转,它现在运行Grep环
402	When I get a feedback score a confidence score and it's three out of five	当我得到反馈 得到一个信心得分, 这是三五
403	What now happens remember we were talking about loops this is actually a good loop what happens is this goes back to building	现在发生的事情 记得我们在谈论环路 这其实是一个很好的环路 会发生什么
404	Now the agent goes back to step two	现在特工回到第二步
405	It starts to build after it builds what it does.	它在建造它的工作之后就开始建造。
406	What does it do it proves and then it ships	这能证明什么,然后它飞船
407	And here's what happens automatically the agent will wait for a new score	事情是这样的 代理商会等着新的分数
408	Grep tile then gives us a four out of five.	Grep瓷砖再给我们五分之四
409	We caught some things but there's one final thing we missed	我们抓到一些东西,但还有一件事我们错过了
410	Go back to building	回到楼里去
411	Right it builds it proves and guess what it does greg it ships and now I have a five out of five	对,它造就了它 证明并猜它在做什么 船,现在我有五分之一
412	When I have a five out of five	当我有五分之一的时候
413	What's left now is for me to merge and I think maybe I have an open pr right here so I can show you that looks like	现在剩下的是让我合并 我想也许我有一个公开的棱镜就在这里 这样我就可以让你看看它看起来像
414	What's left for me?	还剩什么给我?
415	Is to just click merge	就是点击合并
416	when I click merge what happens is	当我点击合并 会发生什么
417	This is finally back in the main copy of the app of the main version of the app	终于回到了应用程序主版的主版
418	And I did this while working on 15 either	我在15号工作时也这么做了
419	simultaneous version	同时版本
420	Sorry	对不起
421	Features 15 different features with different agents sub agents all that type of stuff what this allows and this is the factory nature	具有15个不同特性 具有不同的代理子代理 所有这种类型的东西 这是工厂的性质
422	It allows for an agent to have an isolated instance where it can work on its own	它允许一个特工拥有一个孤立的例子,可以自己工作
423	It has guidelines on how to build it has a methodology to prove its work	它有如何建设的准则,有方法证明它的工作
424	And then it has an external service proving its work checking its work	然后它有一个外部服务 证明它的工作 检查它的工作
425	And if its work is not up to standard it has to continue in the loop working until that standard is met	如果它的工作达不到标准 就必须继续循环工作 直到达到标准
426	Once I get a five out of five, this is when I enter the picture	一旦我得到五分之一, 当我进入图片
427	This is what a software factory is notice.	这是软件厂的注意。
428	We didn't talk about model.	我们没谈模特儿
429	We didn't talk about harness	我们没说带子
430	It's all workflows skills and a little bit of domain knowledge, right?	这是所有的工作流程技巧 和一点点的域知识,对不对?
431	Not everybody works the same.	不是每个人都一样
432	This is how I work	这就是我的工作方式
433	But I found great results	但我找到了伟大的结果
434	With this i'll pause right here greg.	有了这个,我会在这里暂停。
435	Let me know what I need to further explain or	告诉我我需要什么 进一步解释或
436	Or add on	或加进
437	I i'm like what's clicking in my head is just really this	我觉得我脑海中点的就是这个
438	physical factory analogy for a software factory	软件厂的物理工厂类比
439	So just to like summarize i'm going to tell you how i'm i'm singing.	所以,只是喜欢总结 我要告诉你 我如何唱歌。
440	I want I want your thoughts	我要你们的想法
441	So like the isolate piece and the step one	所以像孤立的棋子和第一步
442	Um, that's like a factory taking a custom order and you know giving it its own station	嗯,这就像一个工厂 采取定制订单 你知道它自己的车站
443	So it doesn't mess with the rest of production	所以它不会和生产的其他部分搞乱
444	Right, so you you you know, you called it a work tree, you know in software	对,所以你知道,你称之为工作树, 在软件上
445	It's a branch a work tree an isolated environment, but you know, that's the basic concept.	这是一个分支 一个工作树 一个孤立的环境, 但你知道,这是基本的概念。
446	Yes number two	是,二号
447	Build right build is the assembly line	建造正确的建筑是组装线
448	So the agent is actually like cutting and welding and assembling and wiring the product	所以这个药剂就像切开、焊接、组装、接线
449	Obviously in software, you're not doing that.	很明显,在软件里,你没有这样做。
450	You're writing code.	你在写密码
451	You're changing files	你在改变文件
452	You're adding structure to things you're actually creating something that's real in a software in a software sense	你正在把结构加进你实际上创造的东西 在软件意义上的软件中是真实的
453	Step three is	步骤三是
454	The proving step which is basically a fancy way of saying quality control	证明步骤 基本上是一种美妙的方式 说质量控制
455	So basically right like before anything leaves the factory someone has to test it	所以基本上就跟出厂前一样 得有人去测试一下
456	You're not just going to like create a product and not have people test it like does it	你不只是喜欢创造一种产品 也不要让别人去测试它
457	Turn on does it does it fit does it break under pressure like all the things I you know	打开它合适吗? 它在压力下破解 就像我所知道的一切
458	I'm picturing like a car factor or something like that	我想象的就像汽车因素之类的
459	in software	软件
460	you know, you can run tests like	你知道,你可以运行测试像
461	Well, you can run tests you can preview it you can do logs you and you know the screenshots you showed and then lastly	你可以运行测试 你可以预览 你可以做日志 你知道你显示的截图 然后最后
462	the shipping piece	运输块
463	Um, it's basically like once it passes quality control, you know, it's going out the door	嗯,它基本上就像一旦它通过质量控制, 你知道,它走出去的门
464	But there's going to be some things that you have to like let you know	但有些事情你必须知道
465	uh	瓳
466	You're gonna have to merge it.	你得把它合并起来
467	You're gonna have to deploy the pr you're gonna have to do release notes	你必须部署PR 你必须做发布通知
468	You're gonna have to you know	你必须要知道
469	Give feedback back to the product team	给产品组回馈
470	Because maybe it doesn't pass quality control and then you have to like do that loop again, right exactly	因为也许它不会通过质量控制 然后你必须再次喜欢做这个循环,对吗?
471	I think I might actually rename everything you like i've written to what you said because like now i'm realizing like oh	我想我可能真的 重命名你喜欢的一切 我已经写到你说的话 因为像现在一样 我意识到像哦
472	Yeah, my names are terrible that says makes sense.	是啊,我的名字是可怕的 说有道理。
473	That's exactly how this works	就是这样的
474	Cool.	凉爽。
475	So basically what we're doing here is we're taking a factory	所以,基本上,我们在这里做的是 我们要一个工厂
476	And we're making a software factory basically so and this is why like i've seen again not to knock	我们正在做一个软件厂 基本上是这样 这就是为什么我看到 再次不要敲门
477	People startups and products and stuff like that like a software factory is not a product.	像软件厂那样的创业企业和产品 都不是产品
478	It's not a special harness	这不是特别的绳子
479	It's not a like oh this company built a software	又不是公司造的软件
480	No, a software factory is literally just a bunch of markdown files	不,一个软件厂 字面上只是一堆减记文件
481	And this is also another insane thing off topic.	这也是另一个疯狂的话题。
482	Maybe a different video is	也许另一个视频是
483	Some startups are now	现在有些初创者
484	An agent with a couple markdown files, right?	一个特工有几份降级文件,对吧?
485	We've really entered that time	我们真的进入了那个时代
486	So I uh hope uh, this made sense for everyone and this excites everyone	所以,我希望,嗯, 这让每个人都有道理 和这个激动每个人
487	I'm very excited with the time we're in right now because a lot of things are possible now	我对我们现在的时间感到很兴奋 因为现在有很多事情是可能的
488	100 I mean, no, this is this is insane that you're actually able to do this.	100,我的意思是,不, 这是疯狂的,你实际上能够做到这一点。
489	It's cool that you	这很酷,你
490	people like you are like	像你这样的人
491	Sharing this because I think it's it's worthwhile.	分享这个,因为我觉得这是值得的。
492	I want to just do one quick note on	我想说一句
493	Um grep loop or any code review software, you know, I think if you're serious, you know	嗯,grep循环 或任何代码审查软件, 你知道,我认为 如果你是认真的,你知道
494	No affiliation with grep loop, um or anything like that	没有与grep循环,嗯或类似的东西
495	But I think if you're serious about creating software having you know some code review	但我想如果你真的想 创建一些软件... ...你知道一些代码审查
496	software is	软件是
497	Pretty like I I don't understand why you wouldn't use a grep loop a code rabbit one of these tools something right like	我好像不明白你为什么不用Grep 循环密码兔子... ...这些工具之一...
498	Because again if you have like, you know	因为如果你有这样的,你知道
499	We in in business and then I know because a lot of business people are watching	我们做生意,然后我知道 因为很多商人在看
500	You know	你知道吗
501	We take the service we provide and all that stuff seriously	我们认真对待我们提供的服务和所有的东西
502	But it seems like with building software like we just don't care right and if you have people who are going to use your app	但是,它似乎像 建造软件,我们只是不关心的权利 如果你有的人 谁要使用你的应用
503	Like I don't know like there's a level of like empathy I have for the user on the other side	我对另一边的用户有同情心
504	And you know like a lot of these like startups because they've raised the jillions of dollars	你知道很多像初创企业一样的 因为他们筹集了巨款
505	Like they have a lot of free tiers like you know	就像他们有很多免费的等级,你知道的
506	You can cycle through free tiers and use a bunch of this stuff for free, right?	你可以通过免费的阶梯循环 免费使用这些东西,对不对?
507	So I highly encourage if you're building something that you're serious you're passionate about I would use a code review agent of any kind	所以,我非常鼓励你做一些 你认真的东西 你热衷于我 使用任何种类的代码审查代理
508	Yeah, cool.	是啊,凉爽。
509	Thanks for coming on.	谢谢你能来
510	Thanks for sharing the sauce.	感谢分享酱汁。
511	I'll include links for where to follow	我将包含链接 用于跟踪
512	Mickey on the internet on youtube all those places his his software that he's creating to	Mickey在YouTube的互联网上 将他的软件放在他制作的
513	go give him a follow and	去跟踪他
514	Dude i'll see you next time.	伙计,下次见
515	I appreciate you.	谢谢你
516	Greg is always.	格雷格总是。
517	Thank you everyone for showing love and watching	感谢大家的爱和观看
518	And yeah, we'll see you in the next one	是的,下次见

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