【金融时报】Palantir：利润、采购与权力 · 最具争议
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| 0:03 | Palantir is perhaps the most controversial tech company in the world. | 帕兰蒂尔也许是世界上最具争议性的技术公司. |
| 0:08 | To some, it's a formidable provider of software solutions that can turbocharge data analysis. | 对有些人来说,它是一个强大的软件解决方案提供商,可以对数据分析进行涡轮充电. |
| 0:15 | To others, it's a tool that can enable surveillance and human rights breaches. | 对其他人来说,这是一种能够促成监视和侵犯人权的工具. |
| 0:20 | Either you're deeply against them because they're undermining civil liberties. | 要么你强烈反对他们 因为他们破坏公民自由 |
| 0:24 | There is a serious resistance building against Palantir. | 有一个严重的抵抗建筑反对帕兰蒂尔. |
| 0:27 | What we need is people to reject the surveillance state. | 我们需要的是人们拒绝监视状态 |
| 0:31 | It will take a movement. | 这需要运动。 |
| 0:32 | Or you're deeply for them because this is vital technology. | 或者你深深地支持他们 因为这是关键技术 |
| 0:36 | Palantir is offering something completely unique that's not available in other software. | 帕兰蒂尔提供的东西是完全独特的,其他软件没有. |
| 0:40 | This is also a story about public procurement, how big companies get themselves embedded within governments. | 这也是一个关于公共采购,大公司如何嵌入政府内部的故事. |
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| 1 | Palantir is perhaps the most controversial tech company in the world. | 帕兰蒂尔也许是世界上最具争议性的技术公司. |
| 2 | To some, it's a formidable provider of software solutions that can turbocharge data analysis. | 对有些人来说,它是一个强大的软件解决方案提供商,可以对数据分析进行涡轮充电. |
| 3 | To others, it's a tool that can enable surveillance and human rights breaches. | 对其他人来说,这是一种能够促成监视和侵犯人权的工具. |
| 4 | Either you're deeply against them because they're undermining civil liberties. | 要么你强烈反对他们 因为他们破坏公民自由 |
| 5 | There is a serious resistance building against Palantir. | 有一个严重的抵抗建筑反对帕兰蒂尔. |
| 6 | What we need is people to reject the surveillance state. | 我们需要的是人们拒绝监视状态 |
| 7 | It will take a movement. | 这需要运动。 |
| 8 | Or you're deeply for them because this is vital technology. | 或者你深深地支持他们 因为这是关键技术 |
| 9 | Palantir is offering something completely unique that's not available in other software. | 帕兰蒂尔提供的东西是完全独特的,其他软件没有. |
| 10 | This is also a story about public procurement, how big companies get themselves embedded within governments. | 这也是一个关于公共采购,大公司如何嵌入政府内部的故事. |
| 11 | Palantir is a company that turns raw data into power. | 帕兰蒂尔是一家将原始数据转化为动力的公司. |
| 12 | Corporate power, government power, military power. | 企业权力,政府权力,军事权力. |
| 13 | The story matters because Palantir's battle cry is really to capture as much of the market as possible. | 故事之所以重要,是因为帕兰蒂尔的战斗哭声真正是为了尽可能抓住市场. |
| 14 | It is coming under fire from politicians across the spectrum, from civic groups, from data specialists, from human rights activists. | 受到来自各界政治家、民间团体、数据专家、人权活动家的火力攻击。 |
| 15 | The big question is whether this company that has been around for a couple of decades now is running out of societal permission to exist. | 最大的问题是,这家公司 已经存在了几十年 是否没有社会允许存在。 |
| 16 | He was just using his first amendment. | 他刚刚用了他的第一次修正。 |
| 17 | Are you actually defending the constitution? | 你真的在捍卫宪法吗? |
| 18 | Palantir has begun to many to seem like an arm of the Trump administration. | 帕兰蒂尔开始在许多人看来像是特朗普政府的一个分支. |
| 19 | Partly because of its work for ICE, immigration enforcement in the US. | 部分是由于它在ICE的工作,美国的移民执法. |
| 20 | And its detractors say that that contract and the software platform that Palantir is providing is helping Donald Trump carry out his ruthless immigration crackdown. | 而它的贬低者说,这份合同和帕兰蒂尔正在提供的软件平台正在帮助唐纳德·特朗普进行无情的移民镇压. |
| 21 | They are deeply connected with Trump's mass deportation regime that is happening right now. | 他们和特朗普的大规模驱逐制度有很深的联系, |
| 22 | They have a tool that got a lot of publicity called Immigration OS. | 他们有一个工具 得到了很多的宣传 名为移民OS。 |
| 23 | They say that it will track the near real-time locations of people looking to self-deport as well as increase the surveillance capacities of ICE. | 他们说,它将跟踪那些寻求自我递解出境的人的近实时地点,并增强ICE的监视能力。 |
| 24 | The company of course says it only helps the government make sure it's getting to the right people, people who are genuinely in the US illegally etc. | 公司当然说,这只会帮助政府确保它得到正确的人,真正在美国非法的人等等. |
| 25 | Then there is the company's robust support for Israel in its war in Gaza. | 接下来是该公司大力支持以色列在加沙的战争. |
| 26 | Those on the right are also suspicious of Palantir's work and of a corporation having so much power in Washington. | 右边的人也怀疑帕兰蒂尔的作品,怀疑华盛顿公司拥有如此大的权力. |
| 27 | It has somehow managed to upset people on all parts of the political spectrum. | 它设法使政治各界人民心烦意乱。 |
| 28 | Political candidates running for office, especially in the upcoming midterm elections and especially Democrats are having to disavow any financial links with the company. | 竞选公职的政治候选人,特别是在即将到来的中期选举中,特别是民主党人不得不放弃与该公司的任何财务联系。 |
| 29 | Are having to divest any shares they may have held. | 不得不剥离他们可能持有的任何股份。 |
| 30 | Are having to return donations from people linked to Palantir under pressure from a very well organized group of activists. | 在一群组织严密的活动分子的压力下,不得不归还与帕兰蒂尔有联系的人的捐款。 |
| 31 | We hope that things will change past the midterms in the United States. | 我们希望,美国中期的情况将发生变化。 |
| 32 | What we need right now is on both sides of the aisle people to reject the surveillance state, people to reject state violence. | 我们现在需要的是两边的人 拒绝监视国 拒绝国家暴力 |
| 33 | That's really the goal of the Purge Palantir campaign. | 这是清洗帕兰蒂尔运动的目标 |
| 34 | We want to let Palantir know and we want to let the world know that their activities with ICE and the Israeli military cost them access to these political circles. | 我们想让帕兰蒂尔知道,我们想让全世界知道,他们在ICE和以色列军方的活动使他们无法进入这些政治圈子。 |
| 35 | It cost them access to recruiting the top students. | 这使他们无法招募顶尖学生。 |
| 36 | It cost them access to industries. | 这使他们无法进入工业领域。 |
| 37 | It will also cost them access to large shareholders. | 这也将使他们无法接触到大股东。 |
| 38 | Many of the things that Palantir is accused of doing are things the company has repeatedly been on record denying. | 帕兰蒂尔被指控的很多事情都是公司一再被记录在案的否认的事情. |
| 39 | But nonetheless, their general posture and the support of many of the Trump administration's politics has made the company a lightning rod for these kind of criticisms. | 但尽管如此,他们的总体姿态和川普政府的许多政治支持使得该公司成为了这类批评的闪电棒. |
| 40 | All of our day because we have to be this way. | 我们一整天都这样 |
| 41 | They need to be held accountable for the fact that they don't seem concerned that much of their profit comes from the dehumanization, the deportation, the detention, the caging, the kidnapping of our immigrant neighbors. | 他们需要承担责任,因为他们似乎并不担心他们的大部分利润来自非人化,驱逐,拘留,捕猎,绑架我们的移民邻居. |
| 42 | I think we have to see Palantir as the product of its time. | 我认为我们必须把帕兰蒂尔视为其时代的产物. |
| 43 | After 9-11, there was a real crisis in the U.S. intelligence services. | 9-11事件后,美国情报部门发生了真正的危机. |
| 44 | Nobody worked out that there was a real threat despite all the warnings. | 没有人发现,尽管有这些警告,确实存在威胁。 |
| 45 | The Defense Department came out of this thinking we need to build a technology platform that will give us complete awareness. | 国防部从这个想法中得出,我们需要建立一个技术平台,使我们完全了解情况。 |
| 46 | But they called this total information awareness. | 但他们称之为全面的信息意识。 |
| 47 | There was a huge political reaction against this and the project died. | 此事受到巨大的政治反响,项目随之夭折. |
| 48 | In the wake of this, the idea for Palantir was born. | 在此之后,帕兰蒂尔的思想诞生了. |
| 49 | Palantir as a private sector company tried to do what the U.S. government couldn't do, connect all the information that could prevent future terrorism. | 帕兰蒂尔作为一家民营部门公司试图做美国政府无法做的事情,将所有可以防止未来恐怖主义的信息联系起来. |
| 50 | Palantir只是一个软件公司。 | |
| 51 | It's a provider of different software solutions that pipe data together that allow their clients to conduct data analysis in order to gain greater insights. | 它是不同软件解决方案的提供者,它们共同管道数据,让客户进行数据分析,以获得更大的洞察力. |
| 52 | It水 plumbing. | |
| 53 | But that is an incredibly powerful idea. | 但这是一个非常强大的想法。 |
| 54 | And that's still almost unique in being able to do this in very large organizations. | 这在非常大型的组织里 仍然几乎是独一无二的。 |
| 55 | It operates mainly for distinct software platforms, Gotham, Foundry, AIP and Apollo. | 它主要为不同的软件平台,哥谭,铸币局,AIP和阿波罗运营. |
| 56 | They started out with Gotham, which is a platform for combining different data feeds. | 他们从哥谭市开始, 哥谭市是整合不同数据源的平台。 |
| 57 | They did this for the Pentagon and the CIA. | 他们这么做是为了五角大楼和中情局 |
| 58 | It's used by the Pentagon to power something called Project Maven. | 它被五角大楼用来为马文计划提供动力 |
| 59 | Think of it as a huge dashboard to bring in data from everything from social media to, you know, battleground information to aggregate this information and make it intelligible at a rapid speed. | 把它当作一个巨大的仪表板,从社交媒体到战场上的信息, 将这些信息集中起来,并快速地使它变得易懂。 |
| 60 | Which helps the military with things like tracking terrorist networks or battlefield targeting. | 帮助军方追踪恐怖网络或战场目标 |
| 61 | AIP is an artificial intelligence platform which integrates AI, LLMs. | AIP是一个人工智能平台,整合AI,LLMS. |
| 62 | Apollo and Foundry are often used by corporations. | 阿波罗和铸币局经常被公司使用. |
| 63 | Palantir was famously arrogant. | 帕兰蒂尔以傲慢闻名. |
| 64 | They tried to hire the smartest engineers in the valley, sent these engineers into all their big customers with the express mission of saying, whatever these companies are doing, just rip it out and we'll build something better. | 他们试图雇用山谷里最聪明的工程师, 派这些工程师到他们所有的大客户那里, 带着一个明确的使命,说,不管这些公司在做什么, 只要把它撕掉,我们会建造更好的东西。 |
| 65 | Where are you really making money? | 你在哪里赚钱? |
| 66 | What isn't working? | 什么没用? |
| 67 | What is? | 这是什么? |
| 68 | You know, it's all hidden in the data. | 你知道,这一切都隐藏在数据。 |
| 69 | It's important to note that they are not the database. | 必须指出,它们不是数据库。 |
| 70 | Their platforms sit on top of existing databases. | 他们的平台坐落在现有数据库之上. |
| 71 | But what they all have in common is they are designed to give the end user a better picture of what is actually going on in a health service, within a police force, within the CIA or within Airbus or BMW. | 但他们都有一个共同之处,就是它们旨在让最终用户更清楚地了解保健服务、警察部队、中央情报局内部、空中巴士或宝马内部的实际状况。 |
| 72 | Palantir was the brainchild of Peter Thiel and Alexander Karp. | 帕兰蒂尔是彼得·蒂尔和亚历山大·卡普的脑儿. |
| 73 | Peter Thiel, a libertarian who later became a Trump supporter. | 彼得·蒂尔(Peter Thiel),一名自由主义者,后来成为特朗普的支持者. |
| 74 | Alex Karp, a philosophy student, soft Democrat. | 亚历克斯·卡普(Alex Karp),一名哲学学生,柔和的民主党人. |
| 75 | Together they created this company and built this thing that the government couldn't build itself. | 他们共同创建了这家公司,并建造了政府无法自行建造的这个东西. |
| 76 | Karp is unlike any S&P 500 CEO you will encounter. | 卡普不像任何S&P 500 CEO 你会遇到。 |
| 77 | Karp said that analysts betting against the company ought to be sprayed with light fentanyl laced urine. | 卡普说,分析家对公司下注时,应该喷上淡淡的芬太尼斑尿。 |
| 78 | They believed that they had a technology that could save the West and that they could make billions of dollars while doing so. | 他们相信他们拥有一种可以拯救西方的技术,并且他们这样做可以赚数十亿美元. |
| 79 | We've come to think of tech companies, or at least we did, as friendly consumer facing. | 我们来考虑科技公司, 或者至少我们做到了, 作为友好的消费者面对。 |
| 80 | They want to change the world and make it better for us. | 他们希望改变世界,使我们更美好。 |
| 81 | Palantir from the beginning was a defense contractor. | 帕兰蒂尔从一开始就是国防承包商. |
| 82 | My name is Brandon Tseng. | 我叫布兰登曾 |
| 83 | I am the president and co-founder of Shield AI. | 我是盾牌AI的总裁兼共同创始人. |
| 84 | Our mission is to protect service members and civilians with artificially intelligent systems. | 我们的任务是以人工智能系统保护服务成员和平民。 |
| 85 | I was a U.S. Navy SEAL. | 我是美国海军海豹突击队的 |
| 86 | Palantir organized all the classified information within the intelligence community. | 帕兰蒂尔组织情报界内部的所有机密信息. |
| 87 | It was probably a thousand times better than any piece of software. | 它可能比任何软件都要好一千倍。 |
| 88 | Previously they were asking us to write intelligence reports on like literally handwritten notes. | 以前他们要求我们写情报报告 就像手写笔记一样 |
| 89 | 100% Palantir saved lives. | 100%的帕兰蒂尔拯救了生命. |
| 90 | That was my experience with it in Afghanistan. | 这是我在阿富汗的经验。 |
| 91 | And I'll forever be grateful for the Palantir product. | 我将永远感谢帕兰蒂尔的产品。 |
| 92 | 我已经告诉Alex Karp了 | |
| 93 | 100% saved my guys' ass on deployment. | 百分之百救了我的人的屁股 在部署。 |
| 94 | It's extremely unusual for a Californian company, especially at the beginning of the 2000s, to be so keen on working with the military. | 加州一家公司特别在2000年代初就如此热衷于与军方合作,这是极其不寻常的. |
| 95 | In fact, for decades after Palantir was founded, some of the biggest names in American tech shied away from working with the Pentagon. | 事实上,帕兰蒂尔成立后的几十年里, 美国科技界的一些大名字 都不愿与五角大楼合作。 |
| 96 | You can hear the current CEO, Alex Karp, talk about how they are involved in almost every conflict in the world right now. | 你可以听到现任首席执行官亚历克斯·卡普(Alex Karp)谈到他们是如何参与现在世界上几乎所有冲突的. |
| 97 | This company, it's intertwined. | 这家公司,它是相互交织的。 |
| 98 | It's absolutely intertwined with the military-industrial complex. | 它与军工综合体绝对交织在一起. |
| 99 | And it is really a sign of what's to come in terms of what Big Tech's relationship is to the government. | 这其实是大科技公司与政府的关系的标志。 |
| 100 | Palantir's goal is to become the operating system of the U.S. government and governments broadly. | 帕兰蒂尔的目标是广泛成为美国政府和政府的操作系统. |
| 101 | Palantir's largest customer remains the Department of Defense in the U.S. | 帕兰蒂尔最大的客户仍然是美国国防部. |
| 102 | It works with the Department of Homeland Security, the intelligence community, the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency. | 它与国土安全部,情报界,移民和海关执法机构合作. |
| 103 | Palantir has really made a huge foray into many countries, providing services to well over 100 countries in the world. | 帕兰蒂尔确实为许多国家提供了巨大的便利,为世界上100多个国家提供了服务。 |
| 104 | Mostly Western governments, including the U.K. | 主要为西方政府,包括英国政府. |
| 105 | From the NHS, financial regulation, defense. | 从NHS,金融监管,防御。 |
| 106 | It works with the Israeli Defense Forces. | 它与以色列国防军合作。 |
| 107 | Palantir has also worked in Ukraine and provided services to the Ukrainian forces. | 帕兰蒂尔还在乌克兰工作,并向乌克兰部队提供服务. |
| 108 | It works with Japan. | 它与日本合作. |
| 109 | It works with Taiwan. | 与台湾合作. |
| 110 | And then it has a growing commercial business, Airbus, BP. | 之后它的商业业务不断增长,有空中客车,BP. |
| 111 | Axel Springer, the media company, Merck, the pharmaceutical company. | 阿克塞尔·斯普林格,传媒公司,默克,制药公司. |
| 112 | Citigroup, JP Morgan Chase, Saudi Aramco, 众多其他姓氏. | |
| 113 | Palantir issued on its ex-feed what a lot of people have referred to as a manifesto. | Palantir在其前食物上发表了许多人称之为宣言的内容。 |
| 114 | A manifesto for Palantir and also for America. | 帕兰蒂尔和美国宣言 |
| 115 | And some of the points in this manifesto are really striking. | 宣言中的一些要点非常引人注目。 |
| 116 | Silicon Valley owes a moral debt to the United States. | 硅谷欠美国道义债务. |
| 117 | It says it has an affirmative obligation to participate in the defense of the nation. | 它说它有参与保卫国家的积极义务. |
| 118 | The company has picked aside in a way that other companies just don't do. | 公司以其他公司所没有的方式被搁置一旁。 |
| 119 | When his manifesto says, forget soft power, let's just think about hard power. | 当他的宣言说,忘记柔软的力量,让我们只考虑硬实力. |
| 120 | Software is taking over from nuclear weapons as the very heart of defense. | 软件正在取代核武器,作为防御的核心。 |
| 121 | You're hearing this kind of real politic that he's been preaching. | 你听到这种真正的政治 他一直在宣扬。 |
| 122 | There should be national service for Americans. | 应该有国民服务 美国人。 |
| 123 | The post-war neutering of Germany and Japan needs to be undone and those countries need to be rearmed. | 战后德国和日本的死灰复燃需要消除,这些国家需要重新武装。 |
| 124 | Silicon Valley should play a role in addressing violent crime. | 硅 瓦利应当在解决暴力犯罪方面发挥作用。 |
| 125 | The idea that someone in this position with this powerful technology and these big government contracts | 这个想法是,有人 处于这种地位 拥有这种强大的技术 和这些大型的政府合同 |
| 126 | takes such strong positions on social issues and political issues is deeply unnerving to a lot of people. | 在社会问题上采取这种强硬的立场,政治问题对许多人来说是十分不紧张的。 |
| 127 | This manifesto really just shows what this company's ideology has been. | 这份宣言确实表明了这家公司的意识形态。 |
| 128 | Donald Trump is right. | 唐纳德·特朗普说得对 |
| 129 | It's time to end the era of stupid wars and rebuild our country. | 现在是结束愚蠢战争时代,重建我国的时候了. |
| 130 | Ever since Peter Thiel stood up and backed Donald Trump 10 years ago, | 自从彼得·提尔十年前站起来支持唐纳德·特朗普以来 |
| 131 | Palantir has put itself right in the political firing line. | 帕兰蒂尔正站在政治射击线上 |
| 132 | Some even inside the company say that Palantir has made itself into a perfect villain. | 公司内部有些人甚至说,帕兰蒂尔让自己成为一个完美的恶棍. |
| 133 | It's thrived on its notoriety for so many years. | 它的兴盛 因为它的名声这么多年。 |
| 134 | Peter Thiel relishes this kind of controversy. | 彼得,别这样 Thiel喜欢这种争议。 |
| 135 | He likes to antagonize. | 他喜欢对抗 |
| 136 | He likes to stir up the other side. | 他喜欢挑拨另一边。 |
| 137 | It's always been part of his thing. | 这一直是他的事情的一部分。 |
| 138 | He uses it very successfully. | 他非常成功地使用它。 |
| 139 | He trolls his enemies. | 他把他的敌人。 |
| 140 | This is all good for business. | 这对生意都有好处 |
| 141 | This is all good for the share price. | 这对股价有利 |
| 142 | Palantir is one of the big winners of the Trump age. | 帕兰蒂尔是特朗普时代的大赢家之一. |
| 143 | It's been worth as much as 400 billion in recent years. | 近年来价值高达4000亿. |
| 144 | Palantir has been perhaps the best stock market performer in the American corporate landscape. | 帕兰蒂尔也许是美国公司风景区最好的股市表现者. |
| 145 | At one point, it was up 2000% on its IPO price. | 一度,其IPO价格上升了2000 %. |
| 146 | The share price has dropped a little bit this year, | 今年股价下跌了一点 |
| 147 | mostly on Wall Street's concerns that the AI age is creating new competitors. | 主要是华尔街担心AI时代正在产生新的竞争对手. |
| 148 | But nonetheless, it is a stonking corporate success story. | 然而,这是一个惊人的企业成功的故事。 |
| 149 | We're positive on Palantir because we think they're one of the few companies | 我们肯定Palantir 是因为我们认为他们是少数公司之一 |
| 150 | directly benefiting from this massive explosion in AI spending. | 直接受益于人工智能支出的大规模爆炸。 |
| 151 | A year ago, we thought this was a business going to be growing about 30%. | 一年前,我们以为这家企业 将会增长30%左右。 |
| 152 | This most recent quarter, they grew over 80%. | 最近一个季度,他们的增长率超过80%。 |
| 153 | We think that that has room to move higher, potentially over 100%. | 我们认为,这可以提高,有可能超过100%。 |
| 154 | A year, year and a half ago, this stock appeared to be trading at about 80 times, 90 times forward revenue, | 一年,一年半前,这股股票 似乎交易约80倍,90倍前期收入, |
| 155 | which is sort of absurd. | 这有点荒谬 |
| 156 | But then we've realized maybe those revenue estimates are 50% too low. | 但后来我们意识到,也许这些收入估计太低了50%。 |
| 157 | And by the way, their cash flow margins are 20 points higher. | 顺便说一句,他们的现金流幅度要高20个百分点。 |
| 158 | So all of a sudden, you're saying, OK, here's a business that could potentially be growing over 100% | 突然间,你说,好吧,这里的生意 可能会发展到100%以上 |
| 159 | and actually trading at a rich valuation, maybe 70 times, 75 times free cash flow. | 并且以丰富的价值进行交易, 可能是70倍,75倍的自由现金流。 |
| 160 | But if that's doubling every year, that quickly becomes 35 times the following year. | 但如果每年翻一番的话, 下一年会很快变成35倍。 |
| 161 | They've got to demonstrate that that growth is sustainable. | 他们必须证明这种增长是可持续的。 |
| 162 | Now, Palantir itself doesn't build AI. | 现在,帕兰蒂尔本身并没有建立AI. |
| 163 | It doesn't develop large language models. | 它不发展大型语言模型. |
| 164 | But they are in this great position to collect the data that companies need to feed into the AI systems to make sense of. | 但是,他们处于这样的大地位,可以收集公司需要输入人工智能系统的数据,以达到目的. |
| 165 | Is this one of the great AI names and stories of the future or are there going to be other ones that overtake it? | 这是否是未来的伟大的AI名称和故事之一,还是会有其他的来超越它? |
| 166 | There's a long way to go. | 远近无边. |
| 167 | They've got a nice start. | 他们有一个不错的开始。 |
| 168 | But I think where they fit into the AI world isn't clear yet. | 但我认为他们进入AI世界的地方还不清楚. |
| 169 | Palantir has built up a formidable network on both sides of the Atlantic, | Palantir在大西洋两岸建立了强大的网络, |
| 170 | creating what some people call a revolving door. | 创造出有人称之为旋转门的东西。 |
| 171 | A revolving door between the company and the corridors of power in Washington and Westminster. | 公司和华盛顿和威斯敏斯特的 权力走廊之间的旋转门 |
| 172 | Former government officials have ended up being some of the key recruits to Palantir in recent years. | 前政府官员最终成为近年来帕兰蒂尔的一些主要新兵. |
| 173 | Gregory Barbaccia, who became the chief information officer, Doge under Elon Musk, hired many Palantir alumni. | 格雷戈里·巴巴契亚(Gregory Barbaccia)成为首席信息官,埃隆·穆斯克手下的多吉(Doge)聘请了许多帕兰蒂尔校友. |
| 174 | Jacob Helberg, he became undersecretary of state for economic growth, energy and environment. | 雅各布·赫尔贝格(Jacob Helberg),他成为负责经济增长,能源和环境的副国务卿. |
| 175 | Mike Gallagher, a Republican former congressman, they hired him to help identify contract opportunities. | 共和党前国会议员迈克·加拉格(Mike Gallagher),他们聘请他帮助确定合同机会. |
| 176 | They've used former MI6 chief Sir John Soares to broker introductions to the UK government. | 他们利用前军情六处负责人约翰·苏亚雷斯爵士 来代理英国政府的介绍 |
| 177 | Palantir used Global Council, the lobbying company co-founded by Peter Mandelson. | 帕兰蒂尔使用全球理事会,由彼得·曼德尔森共同创办的游说公司. |
| 178 | They have built up this amazing network of people, both who have links into power | 他们建立了这个惊人的人网, 他们都有权力联系 |
| 179 | and who understand how data and procurement in government works. | 谁知道政府的数据和采购如何运作? |
| 180 | They're simply buying in influential people who formerly worked in government places they want to get into. | 他们只是收买那些 曾经在政府工作的人 他们想进入。 |
| 181 | That is unacceptable. | 这是不可接受的。 |
| 182 | That has to stop. | 必须停止。 |
| 183 | The UK has welcomed Palantir with open arms. | 联合王国公开欢迎帕兰蒂尔。 |
| 184 | In fact, after the US, it's its biggest government client. | 事实上,在美国之后,这是它最大的政府客户. |
| 185 | Palantir has won a number of contracts with the UK government, offering it deals with the Financial Conduct Authority, | Palantir赢得了与联合王国政府的一些合同,提议与金融行为管理局打交道, |
| 186 | the Ministry of Defence and even the police services. | 国防部甚至警察部门。 |
| 187 | But the one contract that's provoked the most controversy is the one it secured with the NHS. | 但最引起争议的合约 是NHS的合约 |
| 188 | This is the worst public health crisis for a generation. | 这是一代人中最严重的公共卫生危机。 |
| 189 | If you want to understand how Palantir won this NHS contract in November 2023, | 如果你想了解帕兰蒂尔如何在2023年11月赢得了NHS合同, |
| 190 | you have to go back to the beginning of the pandemic inside Downing Street. | 你必须回到唐宁街的流行开始 |
| 191 | Everyone sits there and realises something that data experts and analysts have been saying for years. | 每个人都坐在那里,意识到一些数据专家和分析家多年来所说的话。 |
| 192 | Our data system inside the NHS is fragmented. | NHS内部的数据系统是零散的 |
| 193 | Enter Palantir. | 进入帕兰蒂尔。 |
| 194 | Ministers, officials in the NHS get really, really interested in this company and what it is able to do. | 部长们,国家卫生局的官员们 都对这个公司 以及它能做的非常感兴趣。 |
| 195 | They were actually offering their services for free, but because of contracting rules, they offered it for a pound. | 他们实际上提供免费服务,但是由于签约规则,他们以一英镑的价格提供. |
| 196 | And that was to manage what was called the Covid-19 data store. | 这是用来管理所谓的Covid-19数据库。 |
| 197 | And from all accounts, it was a really good system and it really did help in the early days of the pandemic, | 从各种说法来看, 这是一个非常好的系统, 它确实帮助了 在流行初期, |
| 198 | helping organise PPE data, vaccination data. | 帮助组织个人防护设备数据、疫苗接种数据。 |
| 199 | Under the cover of the pandemic and during the relaxation of the procurement rules and a very intense lobbying campaign, | 在大流行的掩护下,在放松采购规则和非常激烈的游说运动期间, |
| 200 | they got the first contract in the NHS. | 他们得到了NHS的第一个合同。 |
| 201 | This is a private security company who specialises in surveillance and intelligence. | 这是一家私营保安公司,专门从事监视和情报工作。 |
| 202 | No history in healthcare whatsoever. | 没有医疗史 |
| 203 | Months after the £1 contract, Palantir won another one worth £23 million, | 在1英镑合同签订几个月后,帕兰蒂尔又赢得了价值2300万英镑的冠军. |
| 204 | which critics argue enabled them to go and work in hospitals all around England, | 批评者认为 让他们去英国各地医院工作 |
| 205 | where they were helping to set up the tools that would eventually form part of their case for developing the federated data platform. | 他们正在帮助建立工具,这些工具最终将构成他们开发联合数据平台的理由的一部分。 |
| 206 | Essentially, what it does is it collates NHS data on things like staffing levels, hospital bed capacity, waiting lists all over the country. | 基本上,它所做的是整理全国卫生调查关于全国人员配备水平、医院床位、等候名单等数据。 |
| 207 | Palantir did indeed win this £330 million contract to develop the FTP. | Palantir确实赢得了这项3.3亿英镑的合同,以开发FTP. |
| 208 | NHS data really is pretty much unique in the world. | NHS数据在世界上确实相当独特。 |
| 209 | People's health from birth to death of a whole population level. | 全民健康从出生到死亡. |
| 210 | This is a hugely valuable data set. | 这是一个非常宝贵的数据集。 |
| 211 | The manner in which Palantir arrived in the scene and in the NHS has continued to create suspicion with MPs who are concerned about the data security, who are concerned about privacy issues. | 帕兰蒂尔到达现场和NHS的方式继续引起关注数据安全的议员的怀疑,他们关注隐私问题. |
| 212 | I don't know how the bidding process worked. | 我不知道投标过程如何 |
| 213 | That is not open to scrutiny. | 这一点不容审查。 |
| 214 | It's funny, very little with Palantir is open to scrutiny. | 这很有趣 帕兰蒂尔很少接受审查 |
| 215 | They had a head start to actually then be inside and to talk to the right people for the bid for the federated data platform. | 他们有一个头开始 实际上,然后就在里面, 并与合适的人交谈 为联邦数据平台的竞标。 |
| 216 | Palantir was represented by the lobbying firm Global Council, | Palantir是游说公司全球理事会的代表, |
| 217 | which is now defunct because it was co-founded by Peter Mandelson and it all fell apart following the revelations over the former ambassador to the United States. | 因为它是由彼得·曼德尔森共同创立的 并且随着前驻美国大使的揭发 这一切变得一团糟 |
| 218 | And questions continue to be asked over the role that Mandelson played in setting up Palantir with really senior government officials. | 而对于曼德尔森在建立帕兰蒂尔与真正高级政府官员之间扮演的角色,人们继续提出疑问. |
| 219 | If you look at when Keir Starmer first came into office, his first visit to the US, he went to the White House and then he went to Palantir HQ. | 如果你看看基尔·斯塔默首次上任时,他第一次访问美国,他去了白宫,然后去了帕兰蒂尔总部. |
| 220 | That meeting, we have no idea what was discussed and there are no minutes. | 那次会议,我们不知道讨论了什么,也没有时间。 |
| 221 | Transparency is absolutely essential as well as understanding who is connected where, | 透明度是绝对必要的,了解谁与谁有关联, |
| 222 | because yes, you want the contact to be awarded to the best company to do the job in the interests of the customer. | 因为你希望联系人被授予最好的公司 为了客户的利益 |
| 223 | And you can't know that if it's tied up in backroom decisions between old boys who know each other. | 而且你不能知道,如果它绑在 后室的决定 与老男孩谁认识。 |
| 224 | I'm Tom Bartlett. | 我是汤姆·巴特利特 |
| 225 | Up until March 26, I led the NHS England team that built the federated data platform. | 直到3月26日,我率领NHS英格兰团队建造了联邦数据平台. |
| 226 | I'm speaking up now because I feel the debate has become detached from technical reality. | 我现在发言是因为我觉得辩论已经脱离了技术现实。 |
| 227 | Working with Palantir was a very positive experience. | 与帕兰蒂尔合作是一个非常积极的经历. |
| 228 | They were high calibre individuals. | 他们是高素质的人。 |
| 229 | NHS England has been producing figures for the federated data platform. | NHS England一直在为联邦数据平台制作数据。 |
| 230 | There's 110,000 extra operations delivered. | 有11万个额外业务交付. |
| 231 | FTs looked really closely at some of the data claims that NHS England has been making when it comes to the FTP. | FTs非常仔细地查看了一些数据 英格兰NHS公司在FTP方面 一直在做的 |
| 232 | And when you break it down, what you actually see is that a number of these performance gains are concentrated in a very small number of hospital trusts. | 当你把它分解出来时, 你实际上看到的是, 这些绩效收益中有一些集中在极少数的医院信托。 |
| 233 | And a third of the hospital trusts using the FTP are delivering fewer operations since going live on the platform. | 而三分之一的医院信任使用FTP的手术数量在平台上直播后减少. |
| 234 | And in recent weeks, NHS England itself has actually conceded that it's hard to prove the cause and effect between FTP technology | 在最近几周,NHS英格兰公司本身也承认 很难证明FTP技术之间的因果关系 |
| 235 | and improved outcomes in hospitals because there's so many other variables happening at the same time. | 和医院的改善结果 因为有很多其他变数 同时发生。 |
| 236 | Palantir was the only company that was trialling the federated data platform with selected trusts while the procurement process was going on. | 帕兰蒂尔是唯一一家在采购过程中以选定的信托对联邦数据平台进行试验的公司。 |
| 237 | So I would say that wasn't a very fair procurement process. | 所以我要说,这不是一个非常公平的采购过程。 |
| 238 | The procurement of FTP happened in 2023 and it was very strictly followed by professionals within NHS. | FTP的采购发生在2023年,NHS内部的专业人员非常严格地遵循. |
| 239 | They weren't doing anybody any favours. | 他们没帮任何人 |
| 240 | The only technology that could solve the problem was Palantir and that's why they were chosen. | 唯一能解决问题的技术是帕兰蒂尔,这也是他们被选中的原因. |
| 241 | If we don't want people with ethical questions around them providing into our service, building a procurement gateway. | 如果我们不想让周围有道德问题的人 为我们服务 建立一个采购网关 |
| 242 | There is a really important moment here when we have lots of British companies who could be providing these services, | 有个非常重要的时刻 我们有很多英国公司 可以提供这些服务 |
| 243 | I would say with much better value for money that instil much more public trust. | 我要说,金钱的价值要高得多,赢得更多的公众信任。 |
| 244 | Palantir had 20 years, it's in Silicon Valley to develop this. | 帕兰蒂尔有20年的时间, 它在硅谷开发这个。 |
| 245 | They're years and years ahead of everybody else. | 他们比别人早好几年 |
| 246 | There's no credible alternative right now. | 现在没有可信的选择 |
| 247 | I've done this interview in this way because it would be career ending to criticise policy in this area. | 我以这种方式做了这次采访 因为这将会是职业生涯的结束 来批评这个领域的政策。 |
| 248 | I don't think the federated data platform is good value for the taxpayer and that's why I'm sat here. | 我不认为联邦数据平台对纳税人有好价值,因此我坐在这里. |
| 249 | A number of people come into work very concerned about having to work on software provided by a company they have a fundamental disagreement with. | 一些人在工作时非常担心必须就他们与一家公司有根本分歧的软件开展工作。 |
| 250 | There was this huge pressure, which I'd never seen before, to fall into line. | 有巨大的压力,我从未见过, 倒下排队。 |
| 251 | I've heard from a number of people that they've been told they would lose their job if they criticised this programme. | 我从一些人那里听说,他们被告知,如果他们批评这个节目,他们会失去工作. |
| 252 | Lots of the trusts have been refusing to use it and lots of doctors are very bravely speaking out | 许多信托基金一直拒绝使用,很多医生都勇敢地说出来。 |
| 253 | and being forced to pivot to a Palantir system that is a subscription service that will benefit them for the time that they use it | 并被迫选择Palantir系统,这是一种订阅服务,在他们使用时对他们有利 |
| 254 | and provides no long lasting infrastructure for the NHS is not a good decision for them and it's not a good decision for their patients. | 并且没有为NHS提供长久的基础设施 对他们来说并不是一个好的决定 对他们病人来说也不是一个好的决定 |
| 255 | The federation of data is a good idea. | 数据联合会是一个好主意。 |
| 256 | It's a waste of money to have spent it the way we have done. | 浪费了我们这样花的钱 |
| 257 | There's a lot of technology that already exists and is already provided by a huge range of companies | 许多技术已经存在 并且已经由众多公司提供 |
| 258 | 与Palantir无关的毒性 | |
| 259 | There's nothing particularly clever about this that needs one huge American company to do it. | 没有什么特别聪明 需要一个巨大的美国公司来做。 |
| 260 | The original contract was for 330 million pounds. | 原合同价值3.3亿英镑. |
| 261 | The true cost is likely to be closer to a billion pounds. | 真正的成本很可能接近10亿磅。 |
| 262 | You do have the government looking at how you could break this contract early. | 你确实让政府 研究如何提前解除合同 |
| 263 | There has been, in the last few months, serious pressure on ministers to consider triggering that break clause by MPs, | 在过去几个月里,各国部长受到严重压力,要求议员考虑触发这一突破条款, |
| 264 | by hundreds of thousands of people across the UK, by doctors, by the British Medical Association. | 英国各地数十万人 医生 英国医学会 |
| 265 | There is a serious resistance building against Palantir. | 有一个严重的抵抗建筑反对帕兰蒂尔. |
| 266 | Given what Palantir is setting out in terms of its mission, | 鉴于帕兰蒂尔的任务 |
| 267 | I find it really hard to see how we can maintain that at the heart of British critical infrastructure | 我觉得很难看我们如何维持 英国关键基础设施的核心 |
| 268 | when it is so manifestly set on protecting American interests and American Western civilisation as it understands it. | 保护美国利益 保护美国西方文明 |
| 269 | If we triggered the break clause, you'd have to pull the system and replace it with manual workarounds | 如果我们触发了断裂条款,你就必须拉动系统,代之以人工操作 |
| 270 | until you could find a replacement to migrate it to. | 直到你能找到一个替代者 把它迁移到。 |
| 271 | You basically have to go back to all of the spreadsheets, the bits of paper, the whiteboards, the phone calls, | 你基本上必须回到所有电子表格, 纸片,白板,电话, |
| 272 | and the NHS would go backwards, not forwards. | 而NHS会倒退,而不是前进。 |
| 273 | I would love to see these campaigners and MPs put forward a credible plan. | 我希望看到这些竞选者和议员提出可信的计划。 |
| 274 | I've got no particular interest in Palantir at all. | 我对帕兰蒂尔一点兴趣都没有 |
| 275 | They just happen to be the company that can deliver this. | 他们只是碰巧能提供这个的公司。 |
| 276 | The real concern around Palantir and its contract with the NHS is about trust. | 帕兰蒂尔及其与NHS的合同的真正关切在于信任. |
| 277 | It's about who has access or not to patient data. | 是关于谁可以获取或不获取患者数据的问题. |
| 278 | NHS England为少数Palantir工作人员设立了一个新的管理机构, | |
| 279 | which an internal briefing note that we saw said and admits does give Palantir staff unlimited access to patient data. | 我们所看到和承认的 内部简报 确实让帕兰蒂尔工作人员 无限地获得病人数据 |
| 280 | And this has really prompted some concerns about who sees what and when. | 这确实引起了人们对谁看到什么和何时的关切。 |
| 281 | Palantir will continue to argue that legally they cannot do whatever they want with this patient data | 帕兰蒂尔会继续争论 在法律上,他们不能做任何 他们想用这个病人的数据 |
| 282 | and that NHS England is the controller. | 而NHS英格兰是控制者。 |
| 283 | It's a huge trust issue. | 这是一个巨大的信任问题。 |
| 284 | Palantir's background is in immigration, detention, separating children from their parents at the US-Mexico border, | Palantir的背景是移民、拘留、将儿童与父母隔离在美国-墨西哥边境, |
| 285 | counterinsurgency in Iraq and Afghanistan after 9-11. | 911事件后在伊拉克和阿富汗的反叛乱行动。 |
| 286 | That company is now managing everybody in the UK's health data. | 该公司现在正在管理英国卫生数据中的每个人。 |
| 287 | A really serious concern that MPs and critics of this particular deal have raised | 这个协议的议员和批评者们 提出了非常严重的关注 |
| 288 | is that the way that Palantir works means that there is a risk, they argue, of something called vendor lock-in. | 他们认为,帕兰蒂尔的工作方式 意味着存在一种风险 某种叫卖家锁定。 |
| 289 | Once you're signed up to what they would describe as Palantir's subscription service, you can't get out. | 一旦你签约了 他们会说帕兰蒂尔的订阅服务, 你就不能出去。 |
| 290 | And the MOD contract is a classic example of this, where they won one contract and then suddenly won another one | 国防部的合同就是典型的例子 他们赢得了一个合同 然后突然又赢得了另一个 |
| 291 | and it didn't even go out to tender because the government felt there was nobody else at that point | 而且它甚至没有去招标 因为政府觉得 那时没有人了 |
| 292 | who could continue to offer that specific service. | 他们可以继续提供这种具体服务。 |
| 293 | To give a contract to one company and to say that they're doing something that nobody else can do is a huge red flag. | 给一家公司一个合同,并说他们正在做别人不能做的事情,就是一面巨大的红旗. |
| 294 | If we are dependent on that country, how sovereign are we? | 如果我们依赖于那个国家,我们是多么的主权? |
| 295 | There is an argument around sovereignty of data in the UK. | 围绕数据在英国的主权存在争论. |
| 296 | It's a shame that we've allowed ourselves to get into this position where we've got no real option other than to purchase from America. | 可惜我们让自己进入这个除了从美国购买之外没有真正选择的位置. |
| 297 | Unless there's a complete change in terms of our national policy, singling out this one particular company | 除非我们的国策有彻底的改变 专门挑出这家公司 |
| 298 | that seems to be the wrong thing to focus on. | 这似乎是错误的事情 专注于。 |
| 299 | 伦敦市长Sadiq Khan之后, | |
| 300 | blocked the Metropolitan Police from awarding Palantir a £50 million contract. | 阻止了大都会警方授予帕兰蒂尔5000万英镑的合同. |
| 301 | The reason they gave for this was that proper procurement rules hadn't been followed and there were questions of value for money. | 他们给出的理由是,没有遵守适当的采购规则,而且存在资金效益问题。 |
| 302 | But a spokesman for the mayor also raised concerns that the procurement process should take into consideration the ethics of a company. | 但市长的一位发言人也提出了采购过程应当考虑公司道德的问题. |
| 303 | They are getting into every part of the British state or as much as they're allowed into. | 他们正在进入英国的每一个地方 或尽可能多地被允许进入。 |
| 304 | And so there's a real intention by a company that has a founder who is very Trump aligned. | 因此,公司有一个真正的意图,有一个创始人非常特朗普结盟. |
| 305 | Palantir's UK chief executive has also made the point who decides what the values of London are | 帕兰蒂尔的英国首席执行官也指出,谁决定伦敦的价值是什么? |
| 306 | And is it dangerous to give politicians the right to decide what makes a company ethical or not based on the ideology of that company's founders? | 政治人物有权决定什么是公司道德, |
| 307 | It's no accident that Palantir has prospered primarily in the years after the global financial crisis. | 帕兰蒂尔主要在全球金融危机后的几年里繁荣起来,这并非偶然. |
| 308 | It has come in where cash strapped governments no longer have the capacity to improve the state. | 现金捆绑的政府不再有能力改善国家状况。 |
| 309 | And it has said we will solve this problem for you at a reduced cost | 上面说我们会以较低的成本 解决你的问题 |
| 310 | As long as we have governments who are constantly looking around for extra investment, who are constantly struggling to increase their tax base to improve their finances, Palantir is likely to prosper. | 只要我们有政府不断寻找额外的投资,不断努力增加税收基础以改善财政,帕兰蒂尔就有可能繁荣起来。 |
| 311 | People should be able to live free of state surveillance and state violence. | 人们应该能够生活在没有国家监视和国家暴力的情况下。 |
| 312 | One company should not be sitting at the nexus of all of this different personal information that we have. | 一家公司不应该站在我们掌握的所有这些不同个人信息的联系上。 |
| 313 | It has a political problem. | 它有一个政治问题。 |
| 314 | It has a growing corporate problem. | 公司的问题越来越严重 |
| 315 | There may be competitors brewing. | 可能会有竞争者酿造。 |
| 316 | It also has a problem of societal legitimacy and whether it will just become one of those companies that becomes too toxic for any public body to be associated with. | 它还存在社会合法性问题,以及它是否只是那些变得太毒而任何公共机构都无法参与的公司之一。 |
| 317 | The tools that Palantir provides could be solving riddles in health research that can also be used to more efficiently kill people. | 帕兰蒂尔提供的工具可能是解决健康研究中的谜题,这些谜题也可以用来更有效地杀人. |
| 318 | It will take a movement to challenge Palantir and to root out the companies that are just like Palantir from our society. | 这需要一场运动来挑战帕兰蒂尔,并根除像帕兰蒂尔一样的公司。 |
| 319 | Show me an institution you respect that's actually working. | 给我看一个你尊重的 真正起作用的机构 |
| 320 | If Palantir was a boring company without the pronouncements of the executive, the controversial statements, people would be asking less questions. | 如果帕兰蒂尔是一个无聊的公司,没有执行官的表态,没有有争议的表态,那么人们就会少提出问题. |
| 321 | Technology is neutral. | 技术是中立的。 |
| 322 | The question should be who are Palantir's customers and what are they doing? | 问题应该是谁是帕兰蒂尔的顾客,他们在做什么? |
| 323 | What are governments and companies doing with all that data? | 政府和公司对所有这些数据做了什么? |
| 324 | How do we trust these people that have all our data? | 我们如何相信那些拥有我们所有数据的人? |
| 325 | How do we trust them to do something in our interests? | 我们如何相信他们做一些符合我们利益的事? |
| 326 | That's the real problem. | 这是真正的问题。 |
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