【AI职业】AI时代的百万年薪营销工程师 · 未来2年最抢手
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| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:00 | I think one of the most valuable people in tech over the next 18 to 24 months is going to be | 我觉得未来18到24个月 科技最有价值的人之一 |
| 0:05 | something called a marketing engineer. | 一个叫营销工程师的 |
| 0:08 | Now, some people call it a forward deployed marketer, | 现在,有些人称它为前方部署的营销员, |
| 0:11 | and some other people are calling it an AI growth operator. | 还有一些人称它为AI增长运营商. |
| 0:14 | I'm saying call it whatever you want. | 我是说随便你怎么说 |
| 0:16 | The name is probably going to change, but the job won't. | 名字可能会改变,但工作不会。 |
| 0:19 | It's the person who can do a whole marketing | 是那个能做整个营销的人 |
| 0:22 | teamwork with AI agents. | 与AI特工团队合作. |
| 0:24 | And I think there's going to be a ton of money to be made in it. | 我想里面会有很多钱 |
| 0:28 | I actually think this becomes a 250k, 500k, a million dollar job, because every company | 我其实认为这成为 一个250k,500k,100万美元的工作, 因为每一个公司 |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | I think one of the most valuable people in tech over the next 18 to 24 months is going to be | 我觉得未来18到24个月 科技最有价值的人之一 |
| 2 | something called a marketing engineer. | 一个叫营销工程师的 |
| 3 | Now, some people call it a forward deployed marketer, | 现在,有些人称它为前方部署的营销员, |
| 4 | and some other people are calling it an AI growth operator. | 还有一些人称它为AI增长运营商. |
| 5 | I'm saying call it whatever you want. | 我是说随便你怎么说 |
| 6 | The name is probably going to change, but the job won't. | 名字可能会改变,但工作不会。 |
| 7 | It's the person who can do a whole marketing | 是那个能做整个营销的人 |
| 8 | teamwork with AI agents. | 与AI特工团队合作. |
| 9 | And I think there's going to be a ton of money to be made in it. | 我想里面会有很多钱 |
| 10 | I actually think this becomes a 250k, 500k, a million dollar job, because every company | 我其实认为这成为 一个250k,500k,100万美元的工作, 因为每一个公司 |
| 11 | wants more leads, they want faster experiments, they want sharper positioning, and they want to | 想要更多的线索, 他们想要更快的实验, 他们想要更清晰的定位, 他们想要 |
| 12 | read on their customers, and they want their marketing to get smarter every week with a smaller | 他们希望他们的市场营销 每周更聪明一点 |
| 13 | team than a bigger team. | 团队比更大的团队。 |
| 14 | Whoever can walk in and just build that with AI agents are going to get | 谁能走进来 和人工智能的特工们一起盖房子 |
| 15 | name their price. | 说明价格。 |
| 16 | So if you're a marketer, this is how you become way more valuable. | 如果你是市场营销员,这就是你变得更有价值的方式。 |
| 17 | If you're a | 如果你是一个 |
| 18 | founder, you know this, you don't just want to vibe code something, you want people using your | 创始人,你知道的, 你不只是想要 感觉代码的东西, |
| 19 | product. | 产品。 |
| 20 | So you're going to have a huge edge if you can use AI agents to do your marketing for you. | 所以如果你能利用AI代理来为你做你的营销,你将会拥有巨大的优势. |
| 21 | By the end of this episode, you're going to know what a marketing engineer actually does. | 到了本集的结尾,你就会知道营销工程师的实际作用. |
| 22 | What do | 怎么办? |
| 23 | they build? | 他们建造? |
| 24 | What the tool stack looks like? | 工具堆是什么样的? |
| 25 | How to use things like Grokbot and Claude and Codex | 如何使用的东西 像格罗克博特,克劳德和Codex |
| 26 | and Hermes and creative models, how they all play together within the context of a marketing | 以及赫尔墨斯和创意模式,他们如何在市场营销中共同发挥 |
| 27 | engineer, and the exact 30 day plan I'd follow to learn from scratch if marketing engineering is | 如果营销工程是 |
| 28 | interesting to you. | 对你有意思 |
| 29 | Let's get into the episode. | 开演插曲. |
| 30 | I can't wait to see what you build. | 我迫不及待地想看看你所建造的东西。 |
| 31 | So something | 这么说吧 |
| 32 | I can't stop thinking about is marketing keeps changing. | 我不停地想着营销在不断改变 |
| 33 | Having been a part of multiple cycles, | 参加了多个周期, |
| 34 | I've started and sold three venture-backed companies. | 我创办并出售了三家风险支持公司. |
| 35 | One was in the web era, one was in | 一个在网络时代,一个在 |
| 36 | the social era, one was in the mobile era. | 社会时代,一个在移动时代。 |
| 37 | Every time the technology changes, the most valuable | 每次技术改变,最有价值的 |
| 38 | kind of marketer changes with it. | 市场营销员也随之改变 |
| 39 | So think about the traditional era of marketing. | 所以想一想传统的营销时代. |
| 40 | I actually think | 其实我觉得 |
| 41 | about it as like the Don Draper era, where marketing was about making people care through | 就像唐·德雷珀时代 营销就是让人们关心 |
| 42 | the story, through the psychology, getting your product in front of people on whatever | 故事,通过心理学,让你的产品 在人们面前,无论什么 |
| 43 | channels existed at the time, things like traditional print media and radio. | 当时存在频道,如传统印刷媒体和电台. |
| 44 | The best | 最厉害的 |
| 45 | marketers at that time understood what people wanted, what they were insecure about, who they | 市场营销者当时明白人们想要什么,他们不安全感,他们是谁 |
| 46 | were trying to become, and how to package a product so the market paid attention. | 试图成为, 如何包装一个产品 这样市场关注。 |
| 47 | Obviously, | 显然 |
| 48 | that skill matters a lot. | 这技巧很重要 |
| 49 | But then the internet showed up and it created the digital marketer. | 但后来互联网出现了,它创造了数字营销商。 |
| 50 | So it evolved from traditional to digital. | 因此它从传统演变为数字化. |
| 51 | Suddenly, you had websites, email, SEO, Google. | 突然间,你有网站,电子邮件,SEO,谷歌。 |
| 52 | In 2005, I think, six, you had Facebook ads, landing pages, pixels. | 2005年,我想,六,你有Facebook广告,登陆网页,像素。 |
| 53 | The best marketer became | 最好的推销员变成了 |
| 54 | the person who could acquire customers through channels you could actually measure. | 通过您可以实际测量的渠道获得客户的人。 |
| 55 | And a lot | 还有很多 |
| 56 | of people didn't know these were new channels. | 人们不知道这些是新渠道 |
| 57 | So the best marketers understood funnels targeting | 因此,最好的营销者 理解漏斗瞄准 |
| 58 | these new channels, analytics, things like Google Analytics, and the very practical question | 这些新渠道 分析 谷歌分析 以及非常实际的问题 |
| 59 | about what happens after someone clicks. | 有人点击后会发生什么。 |
| 60 | Then software created loops. | 随后软件创建了循环. |
| 61 | And then growth hacking | 然后成长黑客 |
| 62 | became a thing around, if I remember correctly, 2008, 9, 10, 11. | 如果我没记错的话,2008年,9,10,11 |
| 63 | The best growth hacker people | 最好的成长黑客 |
| 64 | were all about activation, referrals, onboarding, retention, pricing. | 包括激活、转介、入职、保留、定价 |
| 65 | There was a guy by the name | 有个家伙的名字 |
| 66 | Dave McClure had this, I think it was called the R framework, activation and referral. | 戴夫・麦克卢尔有这个, 我想它叫做R框架,激活和转诊。 |
| 67 | That was the symbol of the time of the growth hacker era. | 那是成长黑客时代的象征 |
| 68 | Basically, marketing moved closer | 基本上,营销更接近了 |
| 69 | to product because the product itself could become the growth engine. | 因为产品本身可以成为增长引擎 |
| 70 | Now we're walking into the | 现在我们走进 |
| 71 | marketing engineering era. | 营销工程时代. |
| 72 | And I feel like not a lot of people have spoken about this. | 我觉得没有多少人谈到这个问题。 |
| 73 | That's why | 这就是为什么 |
| 74 | I want this to be the de facto episode about this whole era. | 我希望这成为整个时代的事实剧集. |
| 75 | The marketing engineer still needs all | 营销工程师还需要一切 |
| 76 | that old stuff. | 那个老东西 |
| 77 | It still needs customer understanding, judgment, positioning, understanding | 还需要客户理解 判断 定位 理解 |
| 78 | distribution, taste. | 分发,品味。 |
| 79 | If anything, taste, people talk about this all the time, a taste matters | 如果有什么,品味,人们总是谈论这个, 品味很重要 |
| 80 | more now than ever because AI is about to make average marketing just unbelievably cheap. | 现在比以往任何时候更糟糕 因为AI要让一般的营销变得低廉 |
| 81 | The new part is that the marketing engineer also builds the system behind the marketing. | 新的部分是营销工程师也构建了营销背后的系统. |
| 82 | The marketing engineer is connecting customer data, reading the results, shipping little landing pages | 营销工程师正在连接客户数据,阅读结果,运送小登陆页 |
| 83 | and calculators, and then turning raw customer signal into content outbound positioning and | 和计算器,然后将原始客户信号转化为内容外向定位, |
| 84 | product ideas. | 产品创意。 |
| 85 | The way I think about it is traditional marketing was about making people | 我的想法是传统营销方式 是让人们 |
| 86 | care. | 照顾。 |
| 87 | Digital marketing was acquiring customers through measurable new channels. | 数字营销正在通过可衡量的新渠道获得客户。 |
| 88 | Growth hacking | 增长入侵 |
| 89 | was about using product and data to build these loops. | 是关于利用产品和数据来建立这些循环。 |
| 90 | And marketing engineering is about using AI | 营销工程是利用AI |
| 91 | agents, data, code and taste to build a marketing system that keeps learning. | 代理,数据,代码和品味 构建一个不断学习的营销系统. |
| 92 | And the last phrase is an important one because a marketing system that keeps learning is now | 最后一句话很重要 因为一个不断学习的营销系统现在 |
| 93 | actually possible in the agentic era. | 实际上,在代理时代是可能的。 |
| 94 | Now, most companies already have pieces of this lying around | 现在,大多数公司已经 有一些这样的片段 |
| 95 | to their credit. | 他们的功劳。 |
| 96 | So they've got tools and dashboards, calls, content calendars, CRM, | 因此,他们有工具和仪表板,电话,内容日历,CRM, |
| 97 | some SaaS tools. | 一些SaaS的工具。 |
| 98 | The problem is the learning is pretty scattered. | 问题在于学习很分散 |
| 99 | Sales might hear one version | 销售可能听到一个版本 |
| 100 | of the market, support hears another, product sees the usage and marketing sees what got clicks. | 市场,支持听到另一个, 产品看到使用,营销看到什么得到了点击。 |
| 101 | And the founder remembers the one customer call that just hit him emotionally that week and just | 创始人记得那个周刚打到的客户电话 |
| 102 | get that one customer call out of his or her head. | 让一个顾客从他脑子里呼唤出来 |
| 103 | I know that happens to me. | 我知道这发生在我身上。 |
| 104 | Then everyone walks into the growth meeting with a slightly different version of reality. | 然后每个人都走进增长会议 与一个略有不同的现实版本。 |
| 105 | So the marketing engineer's whole job is actually to pull in these signals into one system | 所以营销工程师的全部工作 就是把这些信号拉进一个系统 |
| 106 | and turn them into growth. | 并把它们变成增长。 |
| 107 | So the way I define the role is this. | 所以我定义这个角色的方法就是这个。 |
| 108 | A marketing engineer is the person | 营销工程师就是那个人 |
| 109 | who turns market signal into pipeline using AI agents, data, code, taste. | 将市场信号转化为管道 使用AI代理,数据,代码,味道。 |
| 110 | And that's really the | 这是真的 |
| 111 | job. | 任务。 |
| 112 | And I'm going to get super tactical on how you can actually do this soon. | 我会得到超级战术 如何你实际上可以做到这一点很快。 |
| 113 | If I were a founder right now, the question I'd be asking myself is who on my team would be building | 如果我现在是创始人,我就会问自己 在我的团队里是谁在建设 |
| 114 | the growth system for this company? | 这家公司的成长系统? |
| 115 | Now, I am a founder myself. | 现在,我是一个创始人自己。 |
| 116 | So a lot of time I'm doing this | 所以,很多时间我这样做 |
| 117 | myself. | 我个人 |
| 118 | And I just hope that if you're a founder listening here, either you hire someone or you do | 我希望如果你是这里的创始人 要么你雇人 要么你做 |
| 119 | it yourself. | 你自己来。 |
| 120 | Because the companies that are going to win in this agentic era are going to learn the | 因为在这个代理时代将要获胜的公司 将学习 |
| 121 | market faster than anyone else. | 市场比任何人都快。 |
| 122 | So it's crucial to know. | 所以,关键是知道。 |
| 123 | So if you see the customer pain earlier, | 所以,如果你看到 顾客的痛苦之前, |
| 124 | you spot the winning language earlier, you're testing more angles using Facebook ads, | 你早点发现胜利语言 你用Facebook广告测试更多角度 |
| 125 | shipping more surfaces, lead magnets, and understand what's working before the competitor | 运输更多的表面,铅磁铁, 并了解什么是工作 在竞争者之前 |
| 126 | even notices things, you have this unfair advantage. | 甚至注意到一些事情, 你有这种不公平的优势。 |
| 127 | So the question I get asked a lot is, | 所以,我经常被问的问题是, |
| 128 | OK, but what is the first thing I would build? | 好吧,但什么是第一件事 我会建造? |
| 129 | OK, I want to become a marketing engineer. | 好吧,我想成为一个营销工程师。 |
| 130 | I want to | и稱 |
| 131 | do more marketing engineering. | 做更多的营销工程。 |
| 132 | What do I build first? | 我先建什么楼? |
| 133 | And the first thing I would build is a | 我要做的第一件事就是创造 |
| 134 | growth repo. | 增长再现. |
| 135 | Yeah, I know it sounds a little bit nerdy. | 是啊,我知道这听起来有点书呆子。 |
| 136 | But even if you're non-technical, | 但即使你没有技术 |
| 137 | I believe you can do it. | 我相信你能做到这一点。 |
| 138 | So you're going to want to go and create a GitHub repo, or honestly just a | 所以,你要去 创建一个GitHub Repo, 或者说实话,只是 |
| 139 | structured folder. | 结构化文件夹。 |
| 140 | You can call it something like growth OS. | 你可以把它叫做 生长OS。 |
| 141 | And it becomes a place where the | 它变成了一个地方,在那里 |
| 142 | company's marketing memory is going to live. | 公司营销记忆要活下来了 |
| 143 | The problem it's going to be solving is that most | 问题在于 |
| 144 | people use AI in these random chats. | 人们在这种随机聊天时使用AI. |
| 145 | So they'll open up a chat GBT or Claude, Gemini. | 所以他们会打开一个聊天GBT或克劳德,双子座。 |
| 146 | They'll ask | 他们会问 |
| 147 | for 10 posts. | 10个员额。 |
| 148 | And maybe they'll copy one into a doc that they like. | 也许他们会把一个复制成他们喜欢的医生 |
| 149 | And then the work just disappears. | 然后工作就这样消失了 |
| 150 | Next week, the AI is starting from scratch again, when what it really needed was the | 下周,AI又从头开始, 当时它真正需要的是 |
| 151 | performance data and the founder's voice and the objection from the sales calls and the language | 性能数据和创始人的声音以及销售电话和语言的反对 |
| 152 | that actually created replies. | 这实际上产生了答复。 |
| 153 | So the growth repo is going to fix that. | 因此,增长的回波会解决这个问题。 |
| 154 | And inside it, | 内心深处 |
| 155 | what we're going to have is a customer truth folder. | 我们将会有一个客户 真相文件夹。 |
| 156 | And that's going to have our sales calls | 那将会有我们的销售电话 |
| 157 | notes or support tickets, maybe some churn notes, interviews, even live product feedback can go in | 笔记或支持票,也许一些笔记,访谈,甚至现场产品反馈都可以进去 |
| 158 | there. | 这里 |
| 159 | So you've got a content engine folder with the founder voice guide, with the winning | 所以,你有一个内容引擎文件夹 与创始人 语音指南,与胜利 |
| 160 | hooks and the scripts and notes on what's performed before. | 钩子和剧本和前作的笔记. |
| 161 | You've got an outbound engine folder with | 你有外出引擎文件夹 |
| 162 | the ICP, your ideal customer profile, the account research, the trigger events. | 比较方案,你的理想客户简介,账户研究,触发事件。 |
| 163 | Maybe some approved | 也许有些批准 |
| 164 | angles could be good to have there. | 角度可能不错 |
| 165 | Even actually band language is good to have as well. | 甚至乐队语言也不错。 |
| 166 | Because AI outbound gets weird fast. | 因为AI走出去会变得怪怪的 |
| 167 | If you let it talk like an overexcited SDR who just discovered | 如果你让它说话像一个过度激动的 特别提款权刚刚发现 |
| 168 | personalization, sometimes bad things can happen. | 个性化,有时坏事会发生. |
| 169 | So you've got a creative testing folder for ad | 所以,你有一个创造性测试文件夹 广告 |
| 170 | angles and things like landing page tests and hooks and offers and results. | 角度和诸如登陆页测试和钩子 以及提议和结果 |
| 171 | And you've got an | 你有一个 |
| 172 | agents folder where you define the jobs your AI workers do. | 代理文件夹中您定义了您的人工智能员工的工作 。 |
| 173 | And that repo is the difference between, | 这回波是区别于, |
| 174 | hey, AI helped me make a thing and AI is helping the whole company get smarter. | 嘿,AI帮助我做了一件事,AI正在帮助整个公司变得更聪明。 |
| 175 | That's how a growth | 成长就是这样 |
| 176 | or a marketing engineer is thinking about it. | 或者一个营销工程师在考虑 |
| 177 | And then the prompt gets way better. | 然后就更及时了 |
| 178 | So instead of, | 所以,与其说, |
| 179 | 嘿 给我写10篇LinkedIn文章 | |
| 180 | You say, read the customer truth file, read the founder voice file, | 你说,读客户真实文件,读创始人语音文件, |
| 181 | read the last five posts that drove qualified replies and draft five new posts around pains | 阅读最后五个推动合格答复的帖子,并起草五个痛苦的新帖子。 |
| 182 | buyers that were actually mentioned this week. | 买家本周被提到。 |
| 183 | So it's a totally different level of output | 因此,这是一个完全不同的输出水平 |
| 184 | because the agent is now having real context. | 因为特工现在有真实的背景 |
| 185 | What tools do I need if I want to become a marketing | 我要是想成为市场营销公司 需要什么工具 |
| 186 | engineer? | 工程师? |
| 187 | Well, I'll tell you some of the most important ones and how to think about where all | 好吧,我告诉你一些最重要的 以及如何思考在哪里所有 |
| 188 | the tools fit and your tool stack. | 工具和工具堆栈。 |
| 189 | So Grokbot is new, but it's just an incredible product. | 所以Grokbot是新产品,但它只是一个不可思议的产品. |
| 190 | So I | 所以说 |
| 191 | think of Grokbot as the growth operating system that lives close to the internet. | 将Grokbot视为生活在互联网附近的成长操作系统. |
| 192 | So marketing | 所以市场营销 |
| 193 | is a living system. | 这是一个活的系统。 |
| 194 | The marketing is moving. | 市场营销在动. |
| 195 | Competitors are moving. | 竞者动. |
| 196 | Culture is changing. | 文化正在发生变化。 |
| 197 | Customers are changing their language. | 顾客正在改变他们的语言。 |
| 198 | Creators are picking up new formats. | 创造者正在收集新的格式。 |
| 199 | Grokbot is especially useful in that world because it is connected to the X ecosystem. | Grokbot在那个世界上特别有用,因为它与X生态系统相连. |
| 200 | If I were setting this up as a founder, I'd give it a few clear lanes. | 如果我把这个设定为创始人, 我会给它一些清晰的通道。 |
| 201 | So I'd say | 所以我会说 |
| 202 | one bot watches competitors and tells me what changed. | 一个机器人看竞争对手 告诉我什么变了 |
| 203 | One is going to watch customer language | 一个是看客户语言 |
| 204 | 横跨X和Reddit. | |
| 205 | One watches the creators in the niche and finds formats worth testing. | 一个人在特殊位置看着创造者,发现格式值得测试. |
| 206 | And one watches ads and landing pages. | 还有一个看广告和登陆页 |
| 207 | Basically, wherever there's a connection to the internet, | 基本上,只要有互联网连接, |
| 208 | Grokbot会非常棒的 | |
| 209 | That doesn't mean you can't use Grokbot to do everything. | 这并不意味着你不能用Grokbot来做所有的事. |
| 210 | You totally can. | 你绝对可以。 |
| 211 | And I think I'm one of those people that say basically pick an ecosystem | 我想我是那些说基本上选择生态系统的人之一 |
| 212 | that you like, that you feel comfortable with. | 你喜欢,你觉得舒服。 |
| 213 | If Grokbot feels good for you, just do everything | 如果Grokbot对你有好处 就做所有的事 |
| 214 | in there as well. | 里面还有 |
| 215 | This is just the way I'm thinking about it. | 这正是我的想法。 |
| 216 | I hope it gets the creative | 我希望它有创意 |
| 217 | juices flowing. | 果汁流畅. |
| 218 | For me, I use Claude and Codex and products like that in a different part of | 对我来说,我用克劳德和Codex 和这样的产品 在另一部分 |
| 219 | the system. | 系统。 |
| 220 | So they're going to help me build the repo and generate the landing pages, writing | 所以他们要帮助我建立回波 并生成登陆页,写 |
| 221 | scripts, building the little internal tools that I was talking about, and then turn that repeatable | 脚本, 建造我所说的小内部工具, 然后把那个可重复 |
| 222 | work into something durable. | 做点耐久的事 |
| 223 | I've talked on this channel about Hermes before. | 我以前在这个频道上说过赫尔墨斯 |
| 224 | Hermes 风格 | |
| 225 | workflows are still extremely valuable, especially when you want scheduled operations with memory | 工作流程仍然极有价值,特别是当您想要有内存的预定操作时 |
| 226 | and approval. | 和核准。 |
| 227 | So something like every Monday morning, build me a market brief or every Friday | 每周一早上给我做个市场简报 或者每周五 |
| 228 | afternoon, review the experiments. | 下午,审查实验。 |
| 229 | Every time a fresh batch of sales calls land, maybe put it in | 每次一批新鲜的销售量 都叫上陆地 也许就放进去 |
| 230 | the folder and then pull the objections and update the positioning file. | 然后拉动反对意见并更新定位文件。 |
| 231 | Then you have creative | 那你就有创造力 |
| 232 | models, and they're going to help you move faster on ads, thumbnails, mock-ups, and video concepts. | 模型,他们会帮助你更快地 在广告,缩略图,模型和视频概念上。 |
| 233 | There's a bunch of those that exist. | 有众生者. |
| 234 | There's FAL AI, there's Higgs Field, there's a bunch of them. | 有FALAI,有希格斯球场,有一群人. |
| 235 | And local AI matters when the data is particularly sensitive or there's private customer transcripts | 当数据特别敏感或有私人客户笔录时 本地的人工智能很重要 |
| 236 | or regulated nodes, pricing plans. | 或规范的节点,定价计划. |
| 237 | Basically anything a company would feel weird sending | 基本上任何公司都会觉得奇怪 |
| 238 | into a cloud tool. | 变成云工具。 |
| 239 | Also things that are too expensive to do into a cloud tool. | 还有那些太贵的东西,不能用云工具 |
| 240 | I'm going to | 我会 |
| 241 | do a whole separate episode on local AI, so stay tuned for that over the next one or two weeks | 在本地的AI上单独做一集 接下来的一两星期里,请注意 |
| 242 | and subscribe so that comes into your feed. | 并订阅 从而进入你的饲料。 |
| 243 | The tools are going to keep changing, but the workflow | 工具会不断改变 但工作流程 |
| 244 | is the thing to actually learn. | 是真正需要学习的东西。 |
| 245 | So where it gets really interesting is when the agent connects | 所以当它变得真正有趣的是 当代理连接 |
| 246 | to live business data and the tools obviously to actually do the work. | 以现场商业数据 和工具 明显地做实际工作。 |
| 247 | So take SEO content. | 所以,拿SEO的内容。 |
| 248 | The beginner version is asking an AI to write a blog post about a keyword. | 初学者要求AI写一篇关于关键词的博客文章。 |
| 249 | So a marketing | 如此的营销 |
| 250 | engineer isn't going to do that. | 工程师不会那么做的 |
| 251 | A marketing engineer is going to check Google Search Console, | 一个营销工程师要检查谷歌搜索控制台 |
| 252 | 从 Ahrefs 或 SEMrush 调用关键字数据 。 | |
| 253 | Look inside the CMS to see if it already exists. | 看看CMS内部是否已经存在. |
| 254 | It's going to rank opportunities by volume and by buyer intent. | 它将按数量和购买意向排列机会。 |
| 255 | And it's going to research | 还要研究 |
| 256 | what's already ranking in hopefully adding the founder's point of view and draft the post, | 已经排到第一位的是希望添加创始人的观点 并起草该帖子 |
| 257 | write the meta title, suggest internal links, and just send the whole thing for approval. | 写元标题,建议内部链接, 并发送整个事情批准。 |
| 258 | That's a pretty big jump, but the agent has a job, the job has inputs, and the inputs come | 这是一个相当大的跳跃, 但代理有工作,工作有投入, 投入来了 |
| 259 | from the business and the output goes somewhere useful. | 从业务和产出去 有用的地方。 |
| 260 | So every agent is going to need a real | 所以每个探员都需要一个真正的 |
| 261 | job spec. | 任务类别。 |
| 262 | And I'd write it out almost like I was hiring a person. | 我会把它写出来 就像我雇用一个人。 |
| 263 | Here's the data source. | 以下是数据源. |
| 264 | Here's | 给你 |
| 265 | when you run it. | 当你运行它。 |
| 266 | Here's what you filter out. | 这是你过滤出来的。 |
| 267 | Here's the output I expect. | 这是我想得到的输出 |
| 268 | Here's what good looks like. | 这里的好样子。 |
| 269 | Here's what's going to need human approval. | 这里需要人类的批准 |
| 270 | Here's the metric that matters. | 这是最重要的衡量标准。 |
| 271 | And here's | 这里 |
| 272 | what you write the result so the system gets smarter next time. | 你写的结果 让系统下次更聪明 |
| 273 | So for maybe a competitor, | 所以对于一个竞争者来说 |
| 274 | engager agent, that might be every weekday morning, check these 20 LinkedIn accounts | 工作代理,可能是每天早上 检查20个LinkedIn账户 |
| 275 | and pull the people who commented on new posts, enrich them, drop the bad fit leads, | 并吸引那些评论新帖子的人, 丰富他们, 放弃不良的适合线索, |
| 276 | and draft 10 messages tied to specific posts they engage with. | 并起草10条信息,与它们参与的具体职位挂钩。 |
| 277 | Oh, and then obviously write | 哦,然后显然写 |
| 278 | the results to a file for approval. | 将结果提交备案批准。 |
| 279 | The metric is going to be positive replies from qualified | 衡量标准将是合格者的积极答复。 |
| 280 | accounts because a marketing engineer cares about business results, not activity accounts. | 因为营销工程师关心的是业务成果,而不是活动账户. |
| 281 | Messages sent is activity. | 发送的信息是活动 。 |
| 282 | Qualified replies is going to be your signal. | 合格答复将是你的信号。 |
| 283 | And the whole point | 整个问题 |
| 284 | the marketing engineer is trying to do is to generate pipeline demand. | 营销工程师试图做的是 产生管道需求。 |
| 285 | And you train these | 你训练这些 |
| 286 | agents the same way you train and you hire. | 探员的训练方式和你雇佣的一样 |
| 287 | You start with small tasks. | 你从小任务开始 |
| 288 | You watch it work. | 你看着它的工作。 |
| 289 | You | 你们 |
| 290 | correct the mistakes. | 更正错误。 |
| 291 | You add the correction to memory because now we have memory. | 你将校正添加到记忆中,因为我们现在有记忆。 |
| 292 | And then you | 还有你 |
| 293 | expand the scope as you increase your comfort level. | 增加舒适度时扩大范围。 |
| 294 | If the outbound agent writes a first line | 如果出局代理写第一行 |
| 295 | that sounds like fake, for example, you got to add the rule to the repo. | 这听起来像假的, 例如,你必须增加规则 在回购。 |
| 296 | And if the content agent | 如果内容代理 |
| 297 | keeps writing these generic intros that sound like generic AI, you give it three good examples | 继续写这些一般的介绍 听起来像一般的AI, 你给它三个好的例子 |
| 298 | and three bad ones. | 和三个坏的。 |
| 299 | If the customer truth agent makes a claim with no evidence, we got a problem | 如果客户的真相代理 提出没有证据的说法, 我们有一个问题 |
| 300 | here. | 在这里。 |
| 301 | You got to add the rule that every insight needs a quote or a link or a source. | 你得加入一条规则,每个洞见都需要引文或链接或来源. |
| 302 | Every | 每个 |
| 303 | correction becomes part of this operating system, this growth marketing engineering system. | 修正成为这个操作系统的一部分,这个增长营销工程系统. |
| 304 | And | 还有 |
| 305 | that's how this whole thing compounds. | 事情就是这样复杂起来的 |
| 306 | And going back to how does a marketing engineer make a | 回到一个营销工程师是如何 |
| 307 | million dollars a year or $500,000 a year or $1.5 million a year for their own startup, it's because | 一年一百万或每年五十万美元 或每年150万美元 他们自己的启动,这是因为 |
| 308 | they're building this and it's so darn valuable. | 他们正在建造它, 它是如此的有价值。 |
| 309 | But let's actually get into a concrete example so | 但是,让我们真正进入 一个具体的例子,所以 |
| 310 | that this gets solidified into your head. | 让你的脑子里扎实起来 |
| 311 | So imagine a vertical SaaS startup selling software | 所以想象一个垂直的SaaS启动 销售软件 |
| 312 | to commercial HVAC contractors. | 给HVAC商业承包商的 |
| 313 | These are companies managing technicians and service | 这些公司管理技术人员和服务 |
| 314 | calls and maintenance contracts and dispatch. | 电话和保养合同及调度。 |
| 315 | So it's a real B2B market. | 因此它是一个真正的B2B市场. |
| 316 | The buyer has | 买方 |
| 317 | a lot of money. | 很多钱 |
| 318 | The workflows are messy and the language is specific, which is why I wanted to use | 工作流程杂乱无章 语言很具体 所以我想用 |
| 319 | this example. | 这个例子。 |
| 320 | The marketing problem for that company is usually a little bit more sharper than, | 公司营销问题通常比 |
| 321 | hey, we need some more content. | 嘿,我们需要一些更多的内容。 |
| 322 | The real problem that they're facing is usually something like | 他们面临的真正问题通常是 |
| 323 | which pain gets the owner to take a demo. | 痛苦会让店主做个演示 |
| 324 | Maybe it's dispatch chaos or maybe it's late invoices. | 可能是发送混乱 也可能是迟到的发票 |
| 325 | Maybe it's that the owner has no idea which jobs were profitable until the month is over. | 可能是房主不知道哪个工作能赚钱 直到一个月结束 |
| 326 | Or maybe | 也许 |
| 327 | it's actually that the technician finishes a service call, spots a replacement opportunity, | 实际上,技术员完成了一个服务电话, 发现一个替换机会, |
| 328 | and the follow-up quote just never gets sent. | 和后续引文 只是从来没有被发送。 |
| 329 | That's interesting just because it's really | 这很有趣 只是因为它真的 |
| 330 | specific. | 具体。 |
| 331 | So when you have something specific, it's just interesting. | 所以,当你有具体的东西, 它只是有趣的。 |
| 332 | My bunny ears go up. | 我的兔子耳朵会向上 |
| 333 | Stop losing replacement revenue after every service call is obviously a much sharper angle | 每次服务电话后,别再失去收入了 很明显,这个角度要尖锐得多 |
| 334 | than run your HVAC business better. | 比你的HVAC业务做得更好 |
| 335 | So this is where your marketing engineer is going to earn | 这就是你的营销工程师要挣的钱 |
| 336 | their keep, right? | 他们的养家糊口,对吧? |
| 337 | It's going to start with the customer truth system. | 将从客户真相系统开始. |
| 338 | That first system is going | 第一个系统正在运行 |
| 339 | to be the customer truth system. | 成为客户的真相系统。 |
| 340 | And every startup says they understand the customer and you talk to | 每一个创业者都说他们了解顾客,你却说 |
| 341 | five people and they get five different results. | 五个人,他们得到五个不同的结果。 |
| 342 | We talked about that. | 我们谈过了 |
| 343 | But the marketing engineer | 但营销工程师 |
| 344 | is going to pull those signals into one place. | 要把信号拉到一个地方 |
| 345 | The output is a file called what the market | 输出是一个名为市场的文件 |
| 346 | is telling us dot MD. | 正在告诉我们点MD。 |
| 347 | I tweeted about this idea. | 我推特上说这个想法。 |
| 348 | It went viral. | 病毒传播了 |
| 349 | I'm glad people liked it. | 我很高兴人们喜欢它。 |
| 350 | It's | 这是 |
| 351 | morning or every week, depending on how much signal the company is going to have. | 早上或每周, 取决于公司会有多少信号。 |
| 352 | And it's reading the sales calls and support tickets and churn notes, even strike movement. | 它正在读销售电话 支持门票和笔记 甚至罢工运动 |
| 353 | CRM notes is a good one. | CRM笔记不错 |
| 354 | And also social data, especially if it's more consumer-y. | 还有社会数据,特别是如果它是更消费的。 |
| 355 | And its whole job is to show what's changed. | 而它的全部工作是展示已经改变的东西. |
| 356 | So maybe the buyers are using a different phrase | 所以,也许买家 使用不同的短语 |
| 357 | than they were using a month ago. | 比他们一个月前使用。 |
| 358 | Or maybe the trial users keep getting stuck before they invite | 也许审判用户在邀请前 一直被卡住 |
| 359 | a teammate. | 一个队友。 |
| 360 | You're just going to get some insight and you're going to ask the agent to show | 你会得到一些洞察力, 你会要求经纪人显示 |
| 361 | quotes, snippets, ticket links, event counts. | 引用,片段,票价链接,事件计数. |
| 362 | What you don't want is obviously a vague summary, | 你不希望的显然是一个模糊的总结, |
| 363 | which I've seen a lot of people do this. | 我见过很多人这样做。 |
| 364 | They just get these summaries and it's pretty vague. | 他们只是得到这些摘要,它相当模糊。 |
| 365 | In this case, you get something like customers want better collaboration. | 在这种情况下,你得到的东西 像顾客想要更好的合作。 |
| 366 | You want something | 你要的东西 |
| 367 | way more sharp than that. | 更锋利一点 |
| 368 | I want the thing that's going to make the business harder to lie to. | 我想让生意更难说谎 |
| 369 | So | 这么说 |
| 370 | for the HVAC company, a good memo might be something like five sales calls this week | 对HVAC公司来说,一个很好的备忘录 可能是像5个销售电话 本周 |
| 371 | mentioned emergency dispatch. | 提到紧急发送。 |
| 372 | But the calls that actually converted all talked about | 但实际上转换的电话 都谈到 |
| 373 | missed follow-up quotes after the tech left. | 技术离开后 错过了后续报价 |
| 374 | Just a lot sharper. | 更锋利一点 |
| 375 | The second system is the founder content engine. | 第二个系统是创始内容引擎. |
| 376 | So a lot of companies have | 所以很多公司都有 |
| 377 | great raw material, like the founder has opinions and you've got customer stories. | 伟大的原材料,像创始人 有意见,你有客户故事。 |
| 378 | But you're not really capturing all the stuff. | 但你并没有真正抓住所有的东西。 |
| 379 | So the marketing engineer could build the loop. | 这样营销工程师就可以建立环路. |
| 380 | So you can record founder talking to customers. | 这样你就可以录制创始人与客户的谈话. |
| 381 | You can pull from podcasts, extract the strongest | 你可以从播客中抽取最强的 |
| 382 | ideas, and then have the system watch what performs, which hooks people keep watching | 然后让系统观察什么表演 让人们不断观察 |
| 383 | because you have this data. | 因为你有这个数据。 |
| 384 | And then you create content out of that. | 然后从中创造内容。 |
| 385 | 对于HVAC公司, | |
| 386 | imagine something like the loss replacement revenue insight becoming five things. | 想象一下损失重置收入 变成五样东西 |
| 387 | A founder | 创始人 |
| 388 | post about the hidden revenue leak in service businesses, a short video on why contractors | 关于服务企业隐藏收入泄露的短视频 |
| 389 | lose money after the first visit, a landing page line that says every completed job | 第一次访问后就输了钱 上面写着每个完成的工作 |
| 390 | should create the next quote, a cold email angle could be good, and a simple calculator | 创建下一个引用, 冷的电子邮件角度可能很好, 和一个简单的计算器 |
| 391 | that estimates the loss revenue. | 估计损失收入。 |
| 392 | So the system here is learning. | 所以这里的系统正在学习。 |
| 393 | The third system is the outbound signal engine. | 第三个系统是外向信号引擎. |
| 394 | So bad outbound usually starts with a spreadsheet | 出局很糟 通常从电子表格开始 |
| 395 | full of names, but good outbound starts with timing. | 满是名字,但好的出局开始时间。 |
| 396 | So who just raised money? | 那是谁在筹钱? |
| 397 | Who's hiring for the exact problem you solve? | 到底是谁在雇你? |
| 398 | Who posted publicly about a pain point? | 谁公开发布一个疼痛点? |
| 399 | And then who fits your ICP and has a real reason to care this week? | 那么,谁符合你的比较方案 有真正的理由 关心这个星期? |
| 400 | These people | 这些人 |
| 401 | they've got the pain. | 他们有痛苦。 |
| 402 | You're selling painkillers, not vitamins when timing hurts. | 你在卖止痛药 而不是时间疼时的维生素 |
| 403 | So having an agent watching those signals, researching accounts, drafting specific angles, | 所以有个特工在监视这些信号 调查账户 起草具体的角度 |
| 404 | and sending to human for approvals, that's the type of thing that for the HVAC company | 和送人批准, 这是类型的事情 对于HVAC公司 |
| 405 | would be awesome. | 这将是真棒。 |
| 406 | So like watching for contractors, hiring dispatchers, or opening new locations, | 比如看承包商 雇用调度员 或者开辟新的地点 |
| 407 | getting bad reviews, and then having the agent actually go and reach out outbound is going to be | 然后让特工真的走出去 |
| 408 | huge. | 巨大的。 |
| 409 | The fourth is the creative testing engine. | 第四是创意测试引擎. |
| 410 | So taking one offer and spinning up 20 hooks, | 所以,接受一个报价 旋转20钩, |
| 411 | 10 ad angles, recording the results, and testing them. | 10个广告角度,记录结果,测试结果. |
| 412 | So a lot of people say like, | 所以很多人说, |
| 413 | Facebook ads don't work for me. | 脸书广告对我没用 |
| 414 | Yeah, maybe. | 是啊,也许。 |
| 415 | Or maybe the creative, you're just not testing | 或者,也许创造性, 你只是没有测试 |
| 416 | enough creative with the right angle. | 足够有创意的正确角度。 |
| 417 | So a good marketing engineer could create thousands of | 因此,一个好的营销工程师 可以创造数千 |
| 418 | creative based on your positioning. | 根据你的定位来创造 |
| 419 | It's basically like having creative becoming this | 这基本上就像有创意 变成这样 |
| 420 | learning system, not really a treadmill that you actually have to do. | 学习系统, 并不是你实际上必须做的一个脚踏车。 |
| 421 | You're going to have it on | 你会穿的 |
| 422 | repeat, having these agents go and create creative based on just how the world is changing and how | 重复一遍,让这些特工们去创造创造 建立在世界如何改变和如何 |
| 423 | that data is changing too. | 数据也在变化。 |
| 424 | And again, another huge insight around like, wow, this is like a new way | 再说一遍,另一个巨大的洞察力 就像,哇,这就像一个新的方式 |
| 425 | of doing marketing, marketing engineer. | 做营销,营销工程师。 |
| 426 | The fifth system is AI search visibilities. | 第五个系统是AI搜索粘度. |
| 427 | So you | 这么说你 |
| 428 | now have billion, I mean, there's a billion plus people using ChatGPT asking, just ChatGPT. | 现在有十亿, 我的意思是,有十亿人 使用ChatGPT问,只是ChatGPT。 |
| 429 | I'm | и琌 |
| 430 | not talking about Google AI overviews or Gemini or Perplexity or Claude. | 不是说Google AI的概论 或者双子座或者迷惑或者克劳德 |
| 431 | I just saw Sam Altman said | 我刚刚看到萨姆·阿尔特曼说 |
| 432 | they have a billion users. | 他们有十亿用户。 |
| 433 | It's insane. | 这太疯狂了 |
| 434 | So you've got to think about whether your company is even | 所以你得考虑一下你的公司是否扯平了 |
| 435 | understandable to those systems. | 这些系统可以理解。 |
| 436 | And then having agents actually go pull in that data | 然后让特工去查数据 |
| 437 | and actually create content and optimize your website such that you're ranking high there. | 并实际创建内容 并优化您的网站 这样你名列前茅。 |
| 438 | Getting cited by AI is such a huge opportunity and something that a marketing engineer is | 被AI引用 是一个巨大的机会 一个营销工程师 |
| 439 | thinking about, of course. | 当然是想着 |
| 440 | The sixth system is the growth cockpit. | 第六个系统是生长驾驶舱. |
| 441 | So this is like a weekly view | 这就像每周的风景 |
| 442 | that tells the team what has changed and what to do about it. | 它告诉了团队什么已经改变 和如何应对它。 |
| 443 | What content has worked? | 哪些内容奏效了? |
| 444 | What | 什麽? |
| 445 | campaign created real conversations? | 竞选创造了真正的对话? |
| 446 | Which objection came up again? | 又是哪一个反对? |
| 447 | What test won? | 什么测试赢了? |
| 448 | How many tests | 测试次数 |
| 449 | won? | 赢了? |
| 450 | What percentage of tests won? | 考试中获胜的百分比是多少? |
| 451 | What competitors moved? | 什么竞争者搬走了? |
| 452 | What customer pain is getting louder? | 什么顾客的痛苦越发严重? |
| 453 | And | 还有 |
| 454 | what to test next? | 接下来要测试什么? |
| 455 | For the HVAC company, the cockpit might say something like, hey, this week, | 对于HVAC公司来说,驾驶舱 可能会说,嘿,本周, |
| 456 | the lost replacement revenue angle drove fewer clicks than the dispatch angle, but twice as | 损失的重置收入角度驱动的点击次数比调度角度少,但为 |
| 457 | many demo requests from owners with more than 20 tech. | 许多来自拥有超过20个技术的业主的演示请求. |
| 458 | So that's the kind of memo that if you're | 这就是那种备忘录 如果你是 |
| 459 | an executive, you want to wake up to that. | 执行官,你想醒过来。 |
| 460 | And that's super, super valuable. | 这是超级,超级有价值的。 |
| 461 | So if you've gotten | 所以,如果你已经得到 |
| 462 | this far, what are some ideas on how you actually can make money with marketing engineering? | 关于你如何用营销工程赚钱有什么想法? |
| 463 | And | 还有 |
| 464 | I think there's a few ways that you can do it. | 我认为有几种方法你可以做到这一点。 |
| 465 | The first is becoming the person | 第一个是成为人 |
| 466 | inside the company. | 在公司内部。 |
| 467 | So if you're already a marketer or a rev ops person, a growth person, | 所以,如果你已经是一个营销者 或revs个人,成长的人, |
| 468 | a creator, or just honestly like a curious marketing minded person, this is one of the | 创造者,或者诚实地说 就像一个好奇的营销头脑的人, 这是其中之一 |
| 469 | clearest ways to become way more valuable because this work sits directly next to | 最清楚的方法变得更有价值 因为这项工作紧挨着 |
| 470 | revenue. | 收入。 |
| 471 | All the ideas that we talked about, all the systems that we talked about | 我们谈论的所有想法, 我们谈论的所有系统 |
| 472 | is things around creating pipeline, lifting conversion, cutting wasted spend is huge with | 创造管道 提升转换 削减浪费的开支 |
| 473 | things like these marketing agents. | 像这些营销代理商 |
| 474 | And you've got this direct line to business value. | 而你有这条直线 与商业价值。 |
| 475 | And that's | 这是 |
| 476 | how someone becomes a $500,000 higher because they look at it and they're like, well, if I'm | 为什么有人会变成一个50万美元高 因为他们看它,他们喜欢,嗯,如果我 |
| 477 | going to save $2 million and I'm going to increase revenue this month, this much, and I'm going to | 将节省200万美元 我将增加收入 本月,这么多,我要去 |
| 478 | double the conversion rate, that's a huge, huge, it's a win-win situation. | 换算率翻一番,这是巨大的,巨大的,是双赢的局面. |
| 479 | Why in the original I said I think that there's going to be people make a million dollars doing | 为什么我原话里说,我觉得人们会赚一百万 |
| 480 | this, and I actually think that's conservative, I think there will be versions of the best marketing | 我觉得这很保守 我认为会有最好的营销版本 |
| 481 | engineers making millions of dollars a year is because they're going to be just driving insane | 工程师每年赚上百万 因为他们要开车疯了 |
| 482 | amounts of value in the same way that forward deploy engineers are driving insane amounts of | 与前方部署的工程人员一样, 其价值数额正在导致疯狂的 |
| 483 | value for companies right now. | 对公司的价值,现在。 |
| 484 | The second way is just do consulting. | 第二种方式就是咨询 |
| 485 | So you create an offer, | 所以你创造了一个提议, |
| 486 | you embed with a founder led company, maybe it's 30, 60, 90 days, you build one growth system, | 你和一个创始人领导的公司嵌在一起, 也许是30,60,90天, 你建立一个增长系统, |
| 487 | and then you sell the outcome. | 然后卖掉结果 |
| 488 | So, hey, we'll build your customer true system and turn it into | 所以,嘿,我们会 建立你的客户真正的系统 并把它变成 |
| 489 | weekly campaigns, or we'll build your founder content engine, or we'll build your outbound | 每周的竞选活动,或者我们建你的创始人 内容引擎,或者我们建你的出局 |
| 490 | signal engine. | 信号引擎。 |
| 491 | Some of these ideas that we talked about, you just embed yourself, you build it, | 我们讨论过的一些想法, 你只是嵌入你自己, 你建造它, |
| 492 | and you charge $5,000, $10,000, $30,000 a month depending on what you're actually building. | 每月收费五千元,一万元,三万元 取决于你实际建造的是什么 |
| 493 | The third, somewhat less talked about, is productized services. | 第三个 -- -- 略少谈 -- -- 是生产服务。 |
| 494 | So you can pick one wedge | 这样你就可以挑一个楔子 |
| 495 | and then repeat it. | 然后复说. |
| 496 | So for example, outbound signal engines for vertical SaaS, that's what | 比如说 垂直SaaS的外向信号引擎 |
| 497 | you focus on, or founder content engine for B2B CEOs, customer truth repos for seed stage startups | 您关注或创建 B2B CEO 的内容引擎, 种子阶段启动的客户真实重置 |
| 498 | before they hire a full marketing team. | 在他们雇佣一个完整的营销团队之前 |
| 499 | So the tighter the wedge, the easier it is to sell, | 所以,越紧的楔子, 它越容易出售, |
| 500 | deliver, and repeat, and that's like the only thing that you focus on. | 提供,并重复, 这是你唯一关注的东西。 |
| 501 | That's why it's called | 故名为. |
| 502 | productized services, because it's not like you're doing services, custom things for everyone. | 产品化的服务, 因为这不是你做的服务, 定制的东西给每个人。 |
| 503 | There's this one thing you do for this one niche, and you charge X amount of dollars for it. | 有一件事,你做这个特殊的地方, 你收取X金额的美元。 |
| 504 | The fourth is software. | 第四个是软件。 |
| 505 | I think the biggest outcomes are going to come from this, | 我认为最大的结果 将会从这个, |
| 506 | but I do think that I would start with services first. | 但我确实认为 我会先从服务开始。 |
| 507 | So you do the work by hand, | 所以,你做的工作 手, |
| 508 | you build the same system for five companies, 10 companies, and you notice the pain that repeats, | 你为五家公司,十家公司 建立了同样的系统,你注意到 痛苦的重复, |
| 509 | and then that's when you turn it into software. | 然后当你把它变成软件。 |
| 510 | That's also how you avoid building something | 这也是你如何避免建造的东西 |
| 511 | that nobody wants. | 没有人想要。 |
| 512 | The fun part is all these ideas actually stack together. | 有趣的是所有这些想法实际上都堆在一起。 |
| 513 | You can start by | 你可以从头开始 |
| 514 | consulting to learn what actually works. | 咨询来了解什么是实际可行的。 |
| 515 | You can notice the same system every client needs, | 你可以注意到同样的系统 每一个客户端需要, |
| 516 | you productize it, you eventually turn it into software like a set of agents. | 你将它生产出来, 你最终把它变成一个软件 像一组代理。 |
| 517 | If I were doing this tomorrow morning, I would keep the first version almost painfully simple. | 如果我明天早上这样做,我就会使第一个版本几乎痛苦地简单化。 |
| 518 | I would build that growth OS folder. | 我会建立增长OS文件夹。 |
| 519 | I'd have five of those files, customer truth, founder voice, | 我会有五个文件 客户真相 创始人的声音 |
| 520 | experiments, agent jobs, and then I would paste 20 real customer notes or call summaries, | 实验 代理工作 然后我会粘贴20个真正的客户通知书 或调用摘要 |
| 521 | and then I would ask the agent to do one job. | 然后我会请经纪人做一件事 |
| 522 | I'd say, tell me what's changed, show me the receipts, | 告诉我有什么变化 给我看收据 |
| 523 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}建议进行一次营销测试 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}这个测试本周 而不是下周 | |
| 524 | from now. | 从今已后. |
| 525 | Then build one thing from that output. | 然后从输出中构建一个东西。 |
| 526 | For that HVAC company I was talking about, maybe | 我说的是HVAC公司,也许 |
| 527 | it's the loss replacement revenue calculator or something like that. | 是损失重置收入计算器之类的 |
| 528 | The first goal is just to | 第一个目标是 |
| 529 | the system can turn this messy market data into one useful action. | 这个系统可以把这个混乱的市场数据变成一个有用的行动。 |
| 530 | If you listen to this and | 如果你听这个 |
| 531 | you're like, wow, being a marketing engineer sounds really cool, I want to go hone my skills | 你就像,哇,作为一个营销工程师 听起来很酷,我想去磨练我的技能 |
| 532 | in the next 30 days to become a marketing engineer, be it as an employee, as a founder, | 在接下来的30天里,成为一名营销工程师, 无论是作为一个雇员,作为一个创始人, |
| 533 | whatever it is, here's the plan that I would run. | 不管是什么,我都会执行这个计划 |
| 534 | Week one, I would do an audit. | 一周,我会做一个审计。 |
| 535 | I'd pick one real | 我会选一个真正的 |
| 536 | company. | 连队。 |
| 537 | It could be yours or friends, whatever you can get access to. | 它可能是你的或朋友, 无论你能得到什么。 |
| 538 | I would study the website, | 我会研究网站, |
| 539 | the offer, the ICP, the founder's content if there is any. | 该提议,比较方案,创始人的内容,如果有的话。 |
| 540 | Sales calls and support tickets | 销售电话和机票 |
| 541 | if you can get them, obviously. | 如果你能得到它们,很明显。 |
| 542 | Then you output a market map. | 然后输出市场地图。 |
| 543 | Who's the customer? | 谁是顾客? |
| 544 | What pain do | 多么痛苦的场面 |
| 545 | they describe? | 他们描述? |
| 546 | What words do they use? | 他们用什么词? |
| 547 | What would you test first? | 你要先测试什么? |
| 548 | What are they buying instead of | 他们买的是什么呢? |
| 549 | your product or this product? | 你的产品还是这个产品? |
| 550 | Where does the funnel leak and what would you test first? | 漏斗从哪里漏出,你会先测试什么? |
| 551 | Week one is just studying all that stuff. | 一周只是研究那些东西 |
| 552 | Week two is the growth repo. | 第二周是增长回波. |
| 553 | Create it, add the folders | 创建它, 添加文件夹 |
| 554 | and build your first what is the market telling us markdown file. | 并建立你的第一个 什么是市场告诉我们马克降级文件。 |
| 555 | You can use whatever tools you | 随便用什么工具 |
| 556 | like. | 喜欢。 |
| 557 | 可以是Claw,JadGBT,Grokbot,双子座当地模特儿,不管是什么. | |
| 558 | The tools actually | 工具其实 |
| 559 | are less than the workflow here. | 与工作流程相比, |
| 560 | The goal is basically just to turn that scattered signal | 目标基本上只是 扭转这个分散的信号 |
| 561 | into the memo with real receipts and actually just start feeling like a true marketing engineer. | 并开始感觉自己是个真正的营销工程师 |
| 562 | Week three is your first machine. | 第三个星期是你的第一台机器 |
| 563 | You can pick one system and actually build it. | 你可以选择一个系统 并实际建造它。 |
| 564 | It could be | 也许是 |
| 565 | the content engine, the outbound signal engine, the landing page tester. | 内容引擎,输出信号引擎,着陆页测试器。 |
| 566 | Obviously, this is going | 显然,这是去 |
| 567 | depending on what the company needs and wants. | 取决于公司需要和需要什么 |
| 568 | Just pick one because you're going to get better | 就选一个吧,因为你会好起来的 |
| 569 | outcome with one. | 成果为一。 |
| 570 | One working system is going to beat five half-built ones. | 一个工作系统将战胜五个半建的系统。 |
| 571 | Then week four is just | 那么第四个星期就是 |
| 572 | all about results. | 所有关于结果。 |
| 573 | What changed? | 什么变了? |
| 574 | You did this thing. | 这是你干的 |
| 575 | Did replies improve? | 答复是否有所改善? |
| 576 | Did meetings get | 会得到 |
| 577 | booked? | 订了? |
| 578 | Did any conversion left? | 还有什么改变吗? |
| 579 | Did the founder sound sharper? | 创始人听起来更锋利吗? |
| 580 | Did the founder like the post? | 创始人喜欢这篇文章吗? |
| 581 | At the end of your month, you should have a case study that sounds something like, | 在你的月底,你应该有一个案例研究 听起来像, |
| 582 | I audited this company's growth. | 我审计了这家公司的成长情况 |
| 583 | We built this customer truth repo. | 我们造了这个客户的真相。 |
| 584 | I found it was like one high | 我发现它就像一个高 |
| 585 | intent pain that they didn't know about. | 他们不知道的痛苦 |
| 586 | I turned it into an outbound signal engine, which shipped | 我把它变成一个外向的信号引擎,它被运出 |
| 587 | 75 targeted messages, got nine warm replies, booked three calls, and I documented everything | 75条目标信息,收到9个热情的回复,订了3个电话,我记录了一切 |
| 588 | I learned. | 我学的 |
| 589 | Then you're showing a real business result, tangible value. | 然后你展现了一个真正的商业成果, 有形的价值。 |
| 590 | That's how you get hired. | 这就是你如何被雇用。 |
| 591 | That's how you get clients and that's how you become credible. | 这就是你如何获得客户, 并由此变得可信。 |
| 592 | I think the best marketing | 我认为最好的营销 |
| 593 | engineers are going to feel like part marketer, part product person, part rev ops, part data | 工程师们会觉得像 部分营销员, 部分产品人, 部分rev操作, 部分数据 |
| 594 | analyst, part creator, and part engineer. | 分析师 部分创造者和部分工程师 |
| 595 | They can talk to a customer. | 他们可以跟客户说话 |
| 596 | They can build the workflow | 他们可以构建工作流程 |
| 597 | that uses that insight. | 用这种洞察力 |
| 598 | They can write the positioning. | 他们可以写位置。 |
| 599 | They can wire the automation, | 他们可以连接自动化, |
| 600 | and they can make the landing page, and they can read the conversion, and they can set the outbound | 他们可以做登陆页, 他们可以读转换, 他们可以设置出 |
| 601 | agent, and they know when personalization sounds fake, and they can use AI to make more, and they've | 代理,他们知道 当个性化听起来是假的, 他们可以使用AI制造更多, 他们已经 |
| 602 | got the judgment and taste to know what should exist in the first place. | 得到判断和品味 知道什么应该存在在第一。 |
| 603 | The agents are going | 探员们走了 |
| 604 | to be a commodity at some point. | 在某个时刻成为商品。 |
| 605 | Your judgment about what to point them to is the moat, and | 你的判断是,什么是 指向护城河,和 |
| 606 | that's the job of the marketing engineer, really. | 这是营销工程师的工作,真的。 |
| 607 | I think it's going to be one of the most valuable | 我想这将是最有价值的之一 |
| 608 | jobs out there. | 外边的工作。 |
| 609 | If you're a marketer, this is how you become the person your company literally | 如果你是推销员,这就是你如何成为你公司的人 |
| 610 | cannot run without. | 无法运行没有。 |
| 611 | If you're a founder, this is how you get agents running your marketing for you. | 如果你是一个创始人, 这就是你如何让代理 运行你的营销为你。 |
| 612 | I think there's a real edge that you can have when you're actually using marketing agents | 我想当你真正使用营销代理的时候,你有一个真正的优势 |
| 613 | to actually grow your startup ideas, because people are still stuck in the old growth hacker, | 因为人们仍然被老式增长黑客困住 |
| 614 | or even worse, digital marketing era of marketing. | 更糟糕的是 营销的数字营销时代 |
| 615 | I think this window is open right now. | 我觉得这窗户现在打开了 |
| 616 | I think a lot of people haven't built the machine, and I wanted to give you the sauce so that you can | 我想很多人没有造机器 我想给你酱油 |
| 617 | internalize it, so you can process it, so you can get your hands dirty around building some | 内化它,你可以处理它, 这样你就可以得到你的手脏 周围建造一些 |
| 618 | of these agents, some of these marketing agents, because it's all about increasing your | 这些代理,一些这些营销代理, 因为这一切都是为了增加你的 |
| 619 | probability of success when it comes to building your own startup. | 在构建自己的启动时成功的可能性。 |
| 620 | I thought that, hey, if you can get a promotion, if you can have more fun being an employee | 我想,嘿,如果你能升职, 如果你能更有趣 作为一个员工 |
| 621 | working within an organization, why not do this? | 在组织内工作,为什么不这样做? |
| 622 | I hope this has been helpful. | 我希望这有帮助。 |
| 623 | Obviously, | 显然 |
| 624 | I could have gone deeper in so many parts of this episode. | 我本可以深入本集的很多部分 |
| 625 | There just wasn't enough time, | 只是时间不够 |
| 626 | but do let me know what you want me to go deeper in. | 但是,告诉我,你想让我更深入。 |
| 627 | Is it the grokbot part? | 是杂货店吗? |
| 628 | Is it the markdown | 是减价吗? |
| 629 | files, skills? | 档案,技能? |
| 630 | You let me know. | 你告诉我。 |
| 631 | I live to serve. | 我活着是为了服务。 |
| 632 | I'm here to just give that information to you. | 我是来告诉你这个消息的 |
| 633 | Hopefully, you enjoy it. | 希望你喜欢它。 |
| 634 | Hopefully, it gets your creative juices flowing. | 希望它能让你的创造力流畅 |
| 635 | If you haven't liked, | 如果你不喜欢的话 |
| 636 | commented, and subscribed at this point, I don't know what you're doing. | 评论和订阅 在这一点上,我不知道你在做什么。 |
| 637 | Hook it up. | 钩上它。 |
| 638 | You're hooking yourself up. | 汝当自缚. |
| 639 | You're getting more quality content in your feed, less slop. | 你在饲料中得到了更多的质量内容, 少废话。 |
| 640 | Thank you for giving me your time. | 谢谢你给我时间 |
| 641 | I hope it's been helpful, and I'll see you next time. | 望其有助,下回相见. |
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| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
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| 0:00 | I think one of the most valuable people in tech over the next 18 to 24 months is going to be | 我觉得未来18到24个月 科技最有价值的人之一 |
| 0:05 | something called a marketing engineer. | 一个叫营销工程师的 |
| 0:08 | Now some people call it a forward deployed marketer and | 现在有人称它为前方部署的推销员 |
| 0:11 | some other people are calling it an AI growth operator. | 有人称它为人工智能成长操作员 |
| 0:14 | I'm saying call it whatever you want. | 我是说随便你怎么说 |
| 0:16 | The name is probably going to change but the job won't. | 名字可能会改变 但工作不会改变 |
| 0:19 | It's the person who can do a whole marketing | 是那个能做整个营销的人 |
| 0:22 | teamwork with AI agents and I think there's going to be a ton of money to be made in it. | 和人工智能特工团队合作 我认为里面会有很多钱 |
| 0:28 | I actually think this becomes a 250k, 500k, a million dollar job because every company wants | 实际上我觉得这变成了一个250千,500千,100万美元的工作,因为每个公司都想要 |
| 0:34 | more leads, they want faster experiments, they want sharper positioning and they want to read | 更多的线索,他们想要更快的实验, 他们想要更清晰的定位,他们想要阅读 |
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| 1 | I think one of the most valuable people in tech over the next 18 to 24 months is going to be | 我觉得未来18到24个月 科技最有价值的人之一 |
| 2 | something called a marketing engineer. | 一个叫营销工程师的 |
| 3 | Now some people call it a forward deployed marketer and | 现在有人称它为前方部署的推销员 |
| 4 | some other people are calling it an AI growth operator. | 有人称它为人工智能成长操作员 |
| 5 | I'm saying call it whatever you want. | 我是说随便你怎么说 |
| 6 | The name is probably going to change but the job won't. | 名字可能会改变 但工作不会改变 |
| 7 | It's the person who can do a whole marketing | 是那个能做整个营销的人 |
| 8 | teamwork with AI agents and I think there's going to be a ton of money to be made in it. | 和人工智能特工团队合作 我认为里面会有很多钱 |
| 9 | I actually think this becomes a 250k, 500k, a million dollar job because every company wants | 实际上我觉得这变成了一个250千,500千,100万美元的工作,因为每个公司都想要 |
| 10 | more leads, they want faster experiments, they want sharper positioning and they want to read | 更多的线索,他们想要更快的实验, 他们想要更清晰的定位,他们想要阅读 |
| 11 | on their customers and they want their marketing to get smarter every week with a smaller team | 他们希望他们的市场营销 与一个更小的团队每周变得更聪明 |
| 12 | than a bigger team. | 比一个更大的团队。 |
| 13 | Whoever can walk in and just build that with AI agents are going to get to name | 谁能走进来,只要用人工智能的特工 来制造它,就会被点名 |
| 14 | their price. | 他们的价格。 |
| 15 | So if you're a marketer this is how you become way more valuable. | 如果你是市场营销员,这就是你如何变得更有价值。 |
| 16 | If you're a founder | 如果你是创始人 |
| 17 | you know this, you don't just want to vibe code something, you want people using your product so | 你知道,你不只是想要 感觉代码的东西, 你希望人们使用你的产品,所以 |
| 18 | you're going to have a huge edge if you can use AI agents to do your marketing for you. | 如果你能用人工智能代理做你的营销 就会有巨大的优势 |
| 19 | By the end | 到最后 |
| 20 | of this episode you're going to know what a marketing engineer actually does, what do they build, | 这个剧集你将会知道 一个营销工程师实际上做什么, 他们建造什么, |
| 21 | what the tool stack looks like, how to use things like Grokbot and Claude and Codex and Hermes and | 工具堆叠是什么样子, 如何使用的东西 像格罗克博特,克劳德, Codex, Hermes和 |
| 22 | Creative Models, how they all play together within the context of a marketing engineer | 创意模特儿,他们如何在一个营销工程师的背景下一起玩 |
| 23 | and the exact 30-day plan I'd follow to learn from scratch if marketing engineering is interesting | 如果营销工程有趣的话 我会从零开始学习30天计划 |
| 24 | to you. | 给你的。 |
| 25 | Let's get into the episode. | 开演插曲. |
| 26 | I can't wait to see what you build. | 我迫不及待地想看看你所建造的东西。 |
| 27 | So something I can't stop | 所以,我不能停止的东西 |
| 28 | thinking about is marketing keeps changing and having been a part of multiple cycles, | 思考的是市场营销不断改变 并且一直是多个周期的一部分 |
| 29 | I've started and sold three venture-backed companies. | 我创办并出售了三家风险支持公司. |
| 30 | One was in the web era, one was in | 一个在网络时代,一个在 |
| 31 | the social era, one was in the mobile era. | 社会时代,一个在移动时代。 |
| 32 | Every time the technology changes the most | 每次技术变化最大 |
| 33 | valuable kind of marketer changes with it. | 有价值的营销者 随之而变化。 |
| 34 | So think about the traditional era of marketing. | 所以想一想传统的营销时代. |
| 35 | I actually think about it as like the Don Draper era where marketing was about making people care | 其实我认为这是像唐·德雷珀时代 市场营销是为了让人们关心 |
| 36 | through the story, through the psychology, getting your product in front of people on whatever | 通过这个故事,通过心理学, 让你的产品在人们面前 无论什么 |
| 37 | channels existed at the time, things like traditional print media and radio. | 当时存在频道,如传统印刷媒体和电台. |
| 38 | The best | 最厉害的 |
| 39 | marketers at that time understood what people wanted, what they were insecure about, who they | 市场营销者当时明白人们想要什么,他们不安全感,他们是谁 |
| 40 | were trying to become and how to package a product so the market paid attention. | 试图成为 以及如何包装一个产品 所以市场关注。 |
| 41 | Obviously that skill | 很明显,这种技巧 |
| 42 | matters a lot. | 事关重大 |
| 43 | But then the internet showed up and it created the digital marketer. | 但后来互联网出现了,它创造了数字营销商。 |
| 44 | So it evolved | 所以它进化了 |
| 45 | from traditional to digital. | 从传统到数字。 |
| 46 | Suddenly you had websites, email, SEO, Google. | 突然间你有网站,电子邮件,SEO,谷歌。 |
| 47 | In 2005, I think | 在2005年,我认为 |
| 48 | six, you had Facebook ads, landing pages, pixels. | 6,你有Facebook广告,登陆页面,像素。 |
| 49 | The best marketer became the person who could | 最好的推销员成为了能够 |
| 50 | acquire customers through channels you could actually measure. | 通过您可以实际测量的渠道获取客户。 |
| 51 | And a lot of people didn't | 很多人没有 |
| 52 | know these were new channels. | 知道这些都是新渠道。 |
| 53 | So the best marketers understood funnels, targeting these new channels | 因此,最好的营销员 了解漏斗, 瞄准这些新渠道 |
| 54 | analytics, things like Google Analytics and the very practical question about what happens after | 分析、谷歌分析 和关于之后会发生什么的实际问题 |
| 55 | someone clicks. | 有人点击。 |
| 56 | Then software created loops and then growth hacking became a thing around if I | 然后软件创建了循环,然后成长黑客 成为周围的东西,如果我 |
| 57 | remember correctly 2008, 9, 10, 11. | 记住2008年9月10日11点 |
| 58 | The best growth hacker people were all about activation, | 最好的成长黑客 都是关于激活, |
| 59 | referrals, onboarding, retention, pricing. | 转介、入职、保留、定价。 |
| 60 | 有个叫Dave McClure的人有这个 | |
| 61 | I think it was called the R framework activation and referral. | 我认为它被称为R框架激活和推荐。 |
| 62 | That was the | 就是那个 |
| 63 | symbol of the time of the growth hacker era. | 表示成长黑客时代的时代。 |
| 64 | Basically marketing moved closer to product | 基本上市场营销更接近产品 |
| 65 | because the product itself could become the growth engine. | 因为产品本身可以成为增长的引擎. |
| 66 | Now we're walking into the marketing | 现在我们走进市场 |
| 67 | engineering era and I feel like not a lot of people have spoken about this. | 工学时代,我觉得没有多少人谈到这个问题。 |
| 68 | That's why I want | 这就是我想要的 |
| 69 | this to be the defacto episode about this whole era. | 这是关于整个时代的诽谤剧集。 |
| 70 | The marketing engineer still needs all that | 营销工程师还需要这些 |
| 71 | old stuff. | 旧东西。 |
| 72 | It still needs customer understanding, judgment, positioning, understanding distribution, | 它仍然需要客户的理解,判断,定位,理解分布, |
| 73 | taste. | 尝起来 |
| 74 | If anything taste, people talk about this all the time, but taste matters more now than ever | 如果有什么味道,人们总是谈论这个, 但味道现在比任何时候都重要 |
| 75 | because AI is about to make average marketing just unbelievably cheap. | 因为AI会让普通营销变得低廉 |
| 76 | The new part is that the | 新的部分是: |
| 77 | marketing engineer also builds the system behind the marketing. | 营销工程师还构建了营销背后的系统. |
| 78 | The marketing engineer is connecting | 营销工程师正在连接 |
| 79 | customer data, reading the results, shipping little landing pages and calculators and then turning raw | 客户数据,读取结果,传送少量的登陆页和计算器,然后转生 |
| 80 | customer signal into content outbound positioning and product ideas. | 客户信号输入内容外出定位和产品创意. |
| 81 | The way I think about it is | и稱猭琌 |
| 82 | traditional marketing was about making people care. | 传统的营销方式是让人们关心。 |
| 83 | Digital marketing was acquiring customers | 数字营销正在收购客户 |
| 84 | through measurable new channels. | 通过可衡量的新渠道。 |
| 85 | Growth hacking was about using product and data to build these | 增长的黑客黑客 是为了利用产品和数据来构建这些 |
| 86 | loops and marketing engineering is about using AI agents, data, code and taste to build a marketing | 循环和营销工程是使用AI代理,数据,代码和口味来构建营销 |
| 87 | system that keeps learning. | 不断学习的系统。 |
| 88 | The last phrase is an important one because a marketing system that keeps | 最后一个短语很重要,因为有一个营销系统 |
| 89 | learning is now actually possible in the agentic era. | 在代理时代,现在实际上可以学习。 |
| 90 | Now most companies already have pieces of | 现在,大多数公司已经 有一些 |
| 91 | lying around to their credit. | 躺在他们名下 |
| 92 | They've got tools and dashboards, calls, content calendars, CRM, | 他们有工具和仪表板,电话,内容日历,CRM, |
| 93 | some SaaS tools. | 一些SaaS的工具。 |
| 94 | The problem is the learning is pretty scattered. | 问题在于学习很分散 |
| 95 | Sales might hear one version of | 销售可能听到一种版本的 |
| 96 | the market, support hears another, product sees the usage and marketing sees what got clicks. | 市场,支持听到另一个,产品看到使用,营销看到什么得到了点击。 |
| 97 | The founder remembers the one customer call that just hit him emotionally that week and just can't | 创始人记得那个星期刚打到的客户电话 就是不能 |
| 98 | get that one customer call out of his or her head. | 让一个顾客从他脑子里呼唤出来 |
| 99 | I know that happens to me. | 我知道这发生在我身上。 |
| 100 | Then everyone walks into the growth meeting with a slightly different version of reality. | 然后每个人都走进增长会议 与一个略有不同的现实版本。 |
| 101 | So the marketing engineer's whole job is actually to pull in these signals into one system and turn | 所以营销工程师的全部工作是把这些信号拉进一个系统 |
| 102 | them into growth. | 他们成长了。 |
| 103 | So the way I define the role is this. | 所以我定义这个角色的方法就是这个。 |
| 104 | A marketing engineer is the person | 营销工程师就是那个人 |
| 105 | who turns market signal into pipeline using AI agents, data, code, taste, and that's really the | 用人工智能、数据、代码、品味 将市场信号变成管道 |
| 106 | job. | 任务。 |
| 107 | I'm going to get super tactical on how you can actually do this soon. | 我会得到超级战术 如何你实际上可以做到这一点很快。 |
| 108 | If I were a founder | 如果我是创始人 |
| 109 | right now, the question I'd be asking myself is who on my team would be building the growth system | 现在,我要问自己的问题是,我的团队中谁要建立成长体系? |
| 110 | for this company? | 这家公司? |
| 111 | Now I am a founder myself, so a lot of time I'm doing this myself. | 现在我是一个创始人, 所以很多时候我自己做。 |
| 112 | I just hope | 我只是希望你们能... |
| 113 | that if you're a founder listening here, either you hire someone or you do it yourself. | 如果你是这里的创始人 要么雇人 要么你自己做 |
| 114 | Because the companies that are going to win in this agentic era are going to learn the market | 因为在这个代理时代要赢的公司 要学会市场 |
| 115 | faster than anyone else, so it's crucial to know. | 比任何人都快,所以它的关键是知道。 |
| 116 | If you see the customer pain earlier, | 如果你看到顾客之前的痛苦, |
| 117 | you spot the winning language earlier, you're testing more angles using Facebook ads, | 你早点发现胜利语言 你用Facebook广告测试更多角度 |
| 118 | shipping more surfaces, lead magnets, and understand what's working before the competitor | 运输更多的表面,铅磁铁, 并了解什么是工作 在竞争者之前 |
| 119 | even notices things, you have this unfair advantage. | 甚至注意到一些事情, 你有这种不公平的优势。 |
| 120 | So the question I get asked a lot | 所以,我被问了很多问题 |
| 121 | is, okay, but what is the first thing I would build? | 是,好吧,但什么是第一件事 我将建造? |
| 122 | Okay, I want to become a marketing | 好吧,我想成为市场营销 |
| 123 | engineer. | 工程师 |
| 124 | I want to do more marketing engineering. | 我想做更多的营销工程。 |
| 125 | What do I build first? | 我先建什么楼? |
| 126 | And the first thing I would | 第一件事,我会 |
| 127 | build is a growth repo. | 建设是增长的回波。 |
| 128 | Yeah, I know it sounds a little bit nerdy, but even if you're non-technical, | 是啊,我知道这听起来有点书呆子, 但即使你不是技术, |
| 129 | I believe you can do it. | 我相信你能做到这一点。 |
| 130 | So you're going to want to go and create a GitHub repo, or honestly just a | 所以,你要去 创建一个GitHub Repo, 或者说实话,只是 |
| 131 | structured folder. | 结构化文件夹。 |
| 132 | You can call it something like growth OS, and it becomes a place where the | 你可以称之为像成长的OS, 它成为一个地方,在那里 |
| 133 | company's marketing memory is going to live. | 公司营销记忆要活下来了 |
| 134 | The problem it's going to be solving is that most | 问题在于 |
| 135 | people use AI in these random chats. | 人们在这种随机聊天时使用AI. |
| 136 | So they'll open up a chat GBT or Claude, Gemini, they'll ask | 所以他们会打开一个聊天GBT或克劳德,双子座,他们会问 |
| 137 | for 10 posts, and maybe they'll copy one into a doc that they like, and then the work just disappears. | 也许他们会把一个复制成他们喜欢的医生 然后工作就消失了 |
| 138 | Next week, the AI is starting from scratch again, when what it really needed was the | 下周,AI又从头开始, 当时它真正需要的是 |
| 139 | performance data and the founder's voice and the objection from the sales calls and the language | 性能数据和创始人的声音以及销售电话和语言的反对 |
| 140 | that actually created replies. | 这实际上产生了答复。 |
| 141 | So the growth repo is going to fix that. | 因此,增长的回波会解决这个问题。 |
| 142 | And inside it, | 内心深处 |
| 143 | what we're going to have is a customer truth folder. | 我们将会有一个客户 真相文件夹。 |
| 144 | And that's going to have our sales calls | 那将会有我们的销售电话 |
| 145 | notes or support tickets, maybe some churn notes, interviews, even live product feedback can go in | 笔记或支持票,也许一些笔记,访谈,甚至现场产品反馈都可以进去 |
| 146 | there. | 这里 |
| 147 | So you've got a content engine folder with the founder voice guide, with the winning | 所以,你有一个内容引擎文件夹 与创始人 语音指南,与胜利 |
| 148 | hooks and the scripts and notes on what's performed before. | 钩子和剧本和前作的笔记. |
| 149 | You've got an outbound engine folder with | 你有外出引擎文件夹 |
| 150 | the ICP, your ideal customer profile, the account research, the trigger events, maybe some approved | 比较方案,你理想的客户简介, 账户研究,触发事件,也许一些批准 |
| 151 | angles could be good to have there. | 角度可能不错 |
| 152 | Even actually band language is good to have as well. | 甚至乐队语言也不错。 |
| 153 | Because AI outbound gets weird fast. | 因为AI走出去会变得怪怪的 |
| 154 | If you let it talk like an overexcited SDR who just discovered | 如果你让它说话像一个过度激动的 特别提款权刚刚发现 |
| 155 | personalization, sometimes bad things can happen. | 个性化,有时坏事会发生. |
| 156 | So you've got a creative testing folder for ad | 所以,你有一个创造性测试文件夹 广告 |
| 157 | angles and things like landing page tests and hooks and offers and results. | 角度和诸如登陆页测试和钩子 以及提议和结果 |
| 158 | And you've got an | 你有一个 |
| 159 | AI regions folder where you define the jobs your AI workers do. | AI 区域文件夹中您定义您的 AI 工作者的工作 。 |
| 160 | And that repo is the difference | 这回波是不同的 |
| 161 | between, hey, AI helped me make a thing, and AI is helping the whole company get smarter. | 嘿,AI帮助我做了一件事, 而AI正在帮助整个公司变得更聪明。 |
| 162 | That's | 这是 |
| 163 | how a growth or a marketing engineer is thinking about it. | 成长或营销工程师是如何思考的. |
| 164 | And then the prompt gets way better. | 然后就更及时了 |
| 165 | So instead of, hey, write me 10 LinkedIn posts, you say, read the customer truth file, | 所以,而不是,嘿, 写信给我10链接 在帖子上,你说,阅读客户的真相档案, |
| 166 | read the founder voice file, read the last five posts that drove qualified replies, | 读取创建者语音文件,读取最后五个驱动合格回复的文章, |
| 167 | and draft five new posts around pains buyers that were actually mentioned this week. | 并起草五个新的帖子 围绕疼痛买家 本周实际上提到。 |
| 168 | So it's a | 所以这是一个 |
| 169 | totally different level of output because the agent is now having real context. | 完全不同的输出水平 因为代理现在有真实的背景。 |
| 170 | What tools do | 什么工具来着? |
| 171 | I need if I want to become a marketing engineer? | 我要成为营销工程师吗? |
| 172 | Well, I'll tell you some of the most important | 好吧,我告诉你一些最重要的 |
| 173 | ones and how to think about where all the tools fit and your tool stack. | 如何思考所有工具的位置和工具堆 |
| 174 | So Grokbot is new, | 格罗克博特是新来的 |
| 175 | but it's just an incredible product. | 但它只是一个令人难以置信的产品。 |
| 176 | So I think of Grokbot as the growth operating system that | 所以我认为Grokbot是生长操作系统 |
| 177 | lives close to the internet. | 住在互联网附近 |
| 178 | So marketing is a living system. | 所以营销是一种活的系统. |
| 179 | The marketing is moving. | 市场营销在动. |
| 180 | Competitors are moving. | 竞者动. |
| 181 | Culture is changing. | 文化正在发生变化。 |
| 182 | Customers are changing their language. | 顾客正在改变他们的语言。 |
| 183 | Creators are picking up new formats. | 创造者正在收集新的格式。 |
| 184 | Grokbot is especially useful in that world because it is | 格鲁克博特在那个世界上特别有用,因为它 |
| 185 | connected to the X ecosystem. | 与X生态系统相连. |
| 186 | If I were setting this up as a founder, I'd give it a few clear | 如果我装作一个创始人 我会说清楚的 |
| 187 | lanes. | 车道。 |
| 188 | So I'd say one bot watches competitors and tells me what changed. | 所以我说一个机器人看竞争对手 告诉我什么变了 |
| 189 | One is going to watch | 一个要看 |
| 190 | 客户语言横跨X和Reddit. | |
| 191 | One watches the creators in the niche and finds formats | 一个人看创作者在特殊位置 并找到格式 |
| 192 | worth testing. | 值得测试。 |
| 193 | And one watches ads and landing pages. | 还有一个看广告和登陆页 |
| 194 | Basically, wherever there's a connection | 基本上,无论哪里有联系 |
| 195 | to the internet, Grokbot is going to be extra good there. | 在互联网上, Grokbot 会是额外的好在那里。 |
| 196 | That doesn't mean you can't use | 这不代表你不能用 |
| 197 | Grokbot to do everything. | 格罗克博特做一切。 |
| 198 | You totally can. | 你绝对可以。 |
| 199 | And I think I'm one of those people that say basically | 我想我是那种说 |
| 200 | pick an ecosystem that you like, that you feel comfortable with. | 选择一个你喜欢的,你觉得舒服的生态系统。 |
| 201 | 如果Grokbot对你很好 | |
| 202 | just do everything in there as well. | 也做点什么吧 |
| 203 | This is just the way I'm thinking about it. | 这正是我的想法。 |
| 204 | Hope it gets the creative juices flowing. | 希望它能让创造力流畅 |
| 205 | For me, I use Claude and Codex and products like that in | 对我来说,我用克劳德和Codex 和这样的产品 |
| 206 | a different part of the system. | 系统的不同部分。 |
| 207 | So they're going to help me build the repo and generate the landing | 所以他们要帮助我建造回波 并生成着陆 |
| 208 | pages, writing scripts, building the little internal tools that I was talking about, and then | 网页,写剧本, 建设小的内部工具,我谈到,然后 |
| 209 | that repeatable work into something durable. | 那可重复的工作 成为持久的东西。 |
| 210 | I've talked on this channel about Hermes before. | 我以前在这个频道上说过赫尔墨斯 |
| 211 | Hermes-style workflows are still extremely valuable, especially when you want scheduled | Hermes风格的工作流程仍然极有价值,特别是你想安排的时候 |
| 212 | operations with memory and approval. | 有内存和批准的操作。 |
| 213 | So something like every Monday morning, build me a market brief | 所以每周一早上给我做个市场简报 |
| 214 | or every Friday afternoon, review the experiments. | 或者每个星期五下午, 检查实验。 |
| 215 | Every time a fresh batch of sales calls land, | 每次有批新鲜的销量 要求着陆, |
| 216 | maybe put it in a folder and then pull the objections and update the positioning file. | 也许把它放进文件夹,然后拉 反对并更新定位文件。 |
| 217 | Then you have creative models. | 然后你有创意的模型。 |
| 218 | They're going to help you move faster on ads, thumbnails, | 他们会帮助你更快地在广告,缩略图, |
| 219 | mock-ups, and video concepts. | 模拟和视频概念 |
| 220 | There's a bunch of those that exist. | 有众生者. |
| 221 | 这是FAL AI. | |
| 222 | There's Higgs | 还有希格斯 |
| 223 | field. | 字段。 |
| 224 | There's a bunch of them. | 有众生. |
| 225 | And local AI matters when the data is particularly sensitive | 当地人工智能在数据特别敏感时很重要 |
| 226 | or there's private customer transcripts or regulated nodes, pricing plans. | 或者有私人客户笔录 或规范的节点,定价计划。 |
| 227 | Basically, | 基本上说 |
| 228 | anything a company would feel weird sending into a cloud tool. | 任何公司会觉得怪异 发送到云工具。 |
| 229 | Also, things that are too expensive | 还有,太贵的东西 |
| 230 | to do into a cloud tool. | 做一个云工具。 |
| 231 | I'm going to do a whole separate episode on local AI, so stay tuned for | 我要在本地的AI上 单独做一集 所以请继续听 |
| 232 | that over the next one or two weeks and subscribe so that comes into your feed. | 在接下来的一两周里,订阅 从而进入你的饲料。 |
| 233 | The tools are going | 这些工具正在运行 |
| 234 | to keep changing, but the workflow is the thing to actually learn. | 但工作流程是实际学习的 |
| 235 | Where it gets really interesting | 变得很有趣的地方 |
| 236 | is when the agent connects to live business data and the tools, obviously, to actually do the work. | 即当代理连接到活的商业数据 和工具,很明显, 实际工作。 |
| 237 | 取SSO内容. | |
| 238 | The beginner version is asking an AI to write a blog post about a keyword. | 初学者要求AI写一篇关于关键词的博客文章。 |
| 239 | A | 页:1 |
| 240 | marketing engineer isn't going to do that. | 营销工程师不会这么做的 |
| 241 | A marketing engineer is going to check Google | 一个营销工程师要去检查谷歌 |
| 242 | Search Console, pulling keyword data from Ahrefs or SEMrush. | 搜索控制台,从Ahrefs或SEMrush调取关键词数据. |
| 243 | Look inside this CMS to see if it | 看里面的CMS,看看有没有 |
| 244 | already exists. | 已经存在。 |
| 245 | It's going to rank opportunities by volume and by buyer intent, and it's going to | 它会按照数量和买家的意向排序机会 |
| 246 | research what's already ranking, hopefully adding the founder's point of view and draft the post, | 研究已经排行榜的内容 希望能增加创始人的观点 并起草文章 |
| 247 | write the meta title, suggest internal links, and just send the whole thing for approval. | 写元标题,建议内部链接, 并发送整个事情批准。 |
| 248 | That's a pretty big jump, but the agent has a job, the job has inputs, and the inputs come | 这是一个相当大的跳跃, 但代理有工作,工作有投入, 投入来了 |
| 249 | from the business, and the output goes somewhere useful. | 从业务, 输出去某个有用的地方。 |
| 250 | Every agent is going to need a real job | 每个探员都需要一份真正的工作 |
| 251 | spec. | 谱. |
| 252 | I'd write it out almost like I was hiring a person. | 我几乎会把它写出来 就像我雇用一个人。 |
| 253 | Here's the data source. | 以下是数据源. |
| 254 | Here's when you | 这是当你 |
| 255 | run it. | 运行它。 |
| 256 | Here's what you filter out. | 这是你过滤出来的。 |
| 257 | Here's the output I expect. | 这是我想得到的输出 |
| 258 | Here's what good looks like. | 这里的好样子。 |
| 259 | Here's what's going to need human approval. | 这里需要人类的批准 |
| 260 | Here's the metric that matters, and here's | 这是最重要的指标,这里 |
| 261 | what you write the result so the system gets smarter next time. | 你写的结果 让系统下次更聪明 |
| 262 | For maybe a competitor, | 对于一个竞争者, |
| 263 | engager agent, that might be every weekday morning, check these 20 LinkedIn accounts, | 接线员 可能是每天早上 检查这20个 在账户中, |
| 264 | and pull the people who commented on new posts, enrich them, drop the bad fit leads, and draft | 并拉动那些评论新职位的人, 丰富他们, 放下不合适的线索, 并起草 |
| 265 | 10 messages tied to specific posts they engaged with. | 10条信息与他们参与的具体职位有关。 |
| 266 | Then obviously write the results to a file | 那么显然把结果写成文件 |
| 267 | for approval. | 供核准。 |
| 268 | The metric is going to be positive replies from qualified accounts because a marketing | 因为市场营销, |
| 269 | engineer cares about business results, not activity accounts. | 工程师关心的是业务成果,而不是活动账户. |
| 270 | Messages sent is activity, | 发送的信息是活动, |
| 271 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}而营销工程师正在尝试 | |
| 272 | to do is to generate pipeline demand. | 这样做就是产生管道需求。 |
| 273 | You train these agents the same way you train and you hire. | 你训练这些特工的方式和你训练和雇用一样 |
| 274 | You start with small tasks. | 你从小任务开始 |
| 275 | You watch it work. | 你看着它的工作。 |
| 276 | You correct the mistakes. | 你纠正了错误 |
| 277 | You add the correction to | 您添加更正到 |
| 278 | memory because now we have memory, and then you expand the scope as you increase your comfort level. | 记忆,因为现在我们有记忆, 然后,你扩大范围 当你提高你的舒适水平。 |
| 279 | If the outbound agent writes a first line that sounds like fake, for example, you've got to add | 如果外出代理写第一行 听起来像假的,例如,你必须添加 |
| 280 | the rule to the repo, and if the content agent keeps writing these generic intros that sound like | 如果内容代理继续写这些听起来像 |
| 281 | generic AI, you give it three good examples and three bad ones. | 通用AI,你给它三个好例子和三个坏例子。 |
| 282 | If the customer truth agent makes | 如果客户的真相代理商 |
| 283 | a claim with no evidence, we've got a problem here. | 没有证据的声称, 我们有一个问题在这里。 |
| 284 | You've got to add the rule that every insight | 你必须附加一条规则 每个洞察力 |
| 285 | needs a quote or a link or a source. | 需要引用或链接或来源。 |
| 286 | Every correction becomes part of this operating system, | 每一个修正都成为这个操作系统的一部分, |
| 287 | this growth marketing engineering system, and that's how this whole thing compounds. | 这个增长营销工程系统, 这整件事就是如此复杂。 |
| 288 | Going back to how does a marketing engineer make a million dollars a year or $500,000 a year or | 回到一个营销工程师 如何每年赚一百万美元 或每年50万美元 |
| 289 | $1.5 million a year for their own startup, it's because they're building this and it's so darn | 一年150万美元,他们自己的启动, 这是因为他们正在建造这个,它是如此该死的 |
| 290 | valuable. | 有价值 |
| 291 | Let's actually get into a concrete example so that this gets solidified into your head. | 让我们来举个具体的例子 这样你就能明白这一点 |
| 292 | Imagine a vertical SaaS startup selling software to commercial HVAC contractors. | 想象一个垂直的SaaS启动向商业HVAC承包商出售软件. |
| 293 | These are companies managing technicians and service calls and maintenance contracts | 这些公司管理技术人员和服务电话及维修合同 |
| 294 | and dispatch. | 和调度。 |
| 295 | It's a real B2B market. | 这是一个真正的B2B市场. |
| 296 | The buyer has a lot of money, the workflows are messy, | 买家有很多钱 工作流程很乱 |
| 297 | and the language is specific, which is why I wanted to use this example. | 语言很具体 所以我想用这个例子 |
| 298 | The marketing | 营销 |
| 299 | problem for that company is usually a little bit more sharper than, hey, we need some more content. | 公司的问题通常比,嘿, 我们需要更多的内容。 |
| 300 | The real problem that they're facing is usually something like which pain gets the owner to take | 他们面临的真正问题 通常是痛苦让主人承受 |
| 301 | a demo. | 一个演示。 |
| 302 | Maybe it's dispatch chaos or maybe it's late invoices. | 可能是发送混乱 也可能是迟到的发票 |
| 303 | Maybe it's that the owner | 也许是老板 |
| 304 | has no idea which jobs were profitable until the month is over, or maybe it's actually that | 也不知道哪个工作能赚钱 直到这个月结束 或者也许其实是 |
| 305 | the technician finishes a service call, spots a replacement opportunity, and the follow-up | 技术员完成一个服务电话, 斑点替换机会,以及后续 |
| 306 | quote just never gets sent. | 引文只是从来没有被发送。 |
| 307 | That's interesting just because it's really specific. | 这很有趣,因为它是非常具体的。 |
| 308 | When you have | 当你有 |
| 309 | something specific, it's just interesting. | 具体的事情,它只是有趣的。 |
| 310 | My bunny ears go up. | 我的兔子耳朵会向上 |
| 311 | Stop losing, replacing | 别输了,换了 |
| 312 | revenue after every service call is obviously a much sharper angle than run your HVAC business | 每次服务电话后的收入 明显比经营HVAC业务要尖锐得多 |
| 313 | better. | 好多了,你还好吧? |
| 314 | This is where your marketing engineer is going to earn their keep. | 你的营销工程师会在这里挣钱 |
| 315 | It's going to start | 要开始了 |
| 316 | with the customer true system. | 与客户真实系统。 |
| 317 | The first system is going to be the customer true system. | 第一个系统将是真正的客户系统。 |
| 318 | Every | 每个 |
| 319 | startup says they understand the customer and you talk to five people and they get five different | 启动员说他们了解客户,你跟五个人说话 他们得到五个不同的人 |
| 320 | results. | 结果。 |
| 321 | We talked about that. | 我们谈过了 |
| 322 | The marketing engineer is going to pull those signals into | 营销工程师会把这些信号调进去 |
| 323 | one place. | 一个地方。 |
| 324 | The output is a file called what the market is telling us.md. | 产出是一个名为市场告诉我们的文档. Md. |
| 325 | I tweeted about this idea | 我推特上说这个主意 |
| 326 | and went viral. | 并传播病毒。 |
| 327 | I'm glad people liked it. | 我很高兴人们喜欢它。 |
| 328 | It's basically a markdown file which updates every | 它基本上是一个标记下的文件 每一个更新 |
| 329 | week depending on how much signal the company is going to have. | 取决于公司会有多少信号 |
| 330 | It's reading the sales calls and | 它在读销售电话 |
| 331 | support tickets and churn notes, even strike movement. | 支持罚单和笔记 甚至罢工行动 |
| 332 | CRM notes is a good one and also | CRM笔记也不错 |
| 333 | social data, especially if it's more consumery. | 社会数据,特别是如果它更消费. |
| 334 | Its whole job is to show what's changed. | 它的整个工作是显示什么改变了。 |
| 335 | Maybe | 也许 |
| 336 | the buyers are using a different phrase than they were using a month ago, or maybe the trial users | 买家使用的语句与一个月前不同 或者是试验用户 |
| 337 | keep getting stuck before they invite a teammate. | 在他们邀请队友之前 一直被困住 |
| 338 | You're just going to get some insight and you're | 你会得到一些洞察力 而你 |
| 339 | going to ask the agent to show, quote, snippets, ticket links, event counts. | 将要求代理 显示,引用,片段,票链接,事件计数。 |
| 340 | What you don't want | 你不想要的东西 |
| 341 | is obviously a vague summary, which I've seen a lot of people do this. | 显然是一个模糊的总结, 我见过很多人这样做。 |
| 342 | They just get these summaries | 他们只是得到这些摘要 |
| 343 | and it's pretty vague. | 和它相当模糊。 |
| 344 | In this case, you'd get something like customers want better collaboration. | 在这种情况下,你会得到一些像顾客想要更好的合作的东西. |
| 345 | You want something way more sharp than that. | 你想要比这更尖锐的东西 |
| 346 | I want the thing that's going to make the business | 我要做这个生意 |
| 347 | harder to lie to. | 更难说谎。 |
| 348 | For the HVAC company, a good memo might be something like, | 对HVAC公司来说, 一个很好的备忘录 可能是类似的东西, |
| 349 | five sales calls this week mentioned emergency dispatch, but the calls that actually converted | 5个销售电话本周提到紧急发送, 但实际上转换的电话 |
| 350 | all talked about missed follow-up quotes after the tech left. | 技术员离开后,他们都说漏了后续报价 |
| 351 | Just a lot sharper. | 更锋利一点 |
| 352 | The second system is the founder content engine. | 第二个系统是创始内容引擎. |
| 353 | A lot of companies have | 很多公司都拥有 |
| 354 | great raw material, like the founder has opinions and you've got customer stories, | 伟大的原材料,像创始人 有意见,你有客户故事, |
| 355 | but you're not really capturing all the stuff. | 但你并没有真正捕捉到所有的东西。 |
| 356 | The marketing engineer could build the loop. | 营销工程师可以建立环路. |
| 357 | You can record the founder talking to customers. | 可以录制创始人与客户交谈. |
| 358 | You can pull from podcasts, extract the strongest | 你可以从播客中抽取最强的 |
| 359 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}然后让系统观察什么表演 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}它让人们不停地看 | |
| 360 | because you have this data. | 因为你有这个数据。 |
| 361 | Then you create content out of that. | 然后你从中创造内容。 |
| 362 | 对于HVAC公司, | |
| 363 | imagine something like the loss replacement revenue insight becoming five things. | 想象一下损失重置收入 变成五样东西 |
| 364 | A founder | 创始人 |
| 365 | post about the hidden revenue leak and service businesses, a short video on why contractors | 关于隐藏收入泄漏和服务企业的文章, |
| 366 | lose money after the first visit, a landing page line that says every completed job | 第一次访问后就输了钱 上面写着每个完成的工作 |
| 367 | should create the next quote, a cold email angle could be good and a simple calculator | 应当创建下一个引用, 冷却的电子邮件角度可能很好, 并且是一个简单的计算器 |
| 368 | that estimates the loss revenue. | 估计损失收入。 |
| 369 | The system here is learning. | 这里的系统正在学习。 |
| 370 | The third system is the outbound | 第三个系统是外出 |
| 371 | signal engine. | 信号引擎。 |
| 372 | Bad outbound usually starts with a spreadsheet full of names, but good outbound | 坏出界通常从充满名字的电子表格开始,但好出界 |
| 373 | starts with timing. | 从时间开始。 |
| 374 | Who just raised money? | 谁刚筹到钱? |
| 375 | Who's hiring for the exact problem you solve? | 到底是谁在雇你? |
| 376 | Who | 谁 |
| 377 | posted publicly about a pain point? | 公开发布一个疼痛点? |
| 378 | Then who fits your ICP and has a real reason to care this week? | 那么,谁适合你的比较方案 并有真正的理由 关心这个星期? |
| 379 | These people, they've got the pain. | 这些人,他们有痛苦。 |
| 380 | You're selling painkillers, not vitamins, when timing | 你卖止痛药,不是维他命 当时机成熟 |
| 381 | hurts. | 伤害。 |
| 382 | Having an agent watching those signals, researching accounts, | 有个特工监视这些信号 调查账户 |
| 383 | drafting specific angles, and sending to human for approvals, that's the type of thing that for | 写出具体的角度, 并发送到人类 批准,这是类型的东西 |
| 384 | the HVAC company would be awesome. | HVAC公司会很棒的 |
| 385 | Watching for contractors, hiring dispatchers, or opening new | 监视承包商、雇用调度员或开设新的 |
| 386 | locations, getting bad reviews, and then having the agent actually go and reach out outbound | 地点, 得到糟糕的评论, 然后让代理 实际去和联系出去 |
| 387 | is going to be huge. | 这将是巨大的。 |
| 388 | The fourth is the creative testing engine. | 第四是创意测试引擎. |
| 389 | Taking one offer and spinning up | 接受一个提议,转身 |
| 390 | 20 hooks, 10 ad angles, recording the results, and testing them. | 20个钩子,10个广告角度,记录结果,并进行测试. |
| 391 | 很多人说Facebook | |
| 392 | ads don't work for me. | 广告对我没用 |
| 393 | Yeah, maybe. | 是啊,也许。 |
| 394 | Or maybe the creative, you're just not testing enough creative | 或也许有创意, 你只是测试不够创造性 |
| 395 | with the right angle. | 以正确的角度。 |
| 396 | A good marketing engineer could create thousands of pieces of creative | 一个优秀的营销工程师可以创造出成千上万的创意 |
| 397 | based on your positioning. | 根据你的定位 |
| 398 | It's basically like having creative becoming this learning system, | 这基本上就像有创意 成为这个学习系统, |
| 399 | not really a treadmill that you actually have to do. | 并不是一个真正的跑步机 你实际上必须做的。 |
| 400 | You're going to have it on repeat, | 你会有它重复, |
| 401 | having these agents go and create creative based on just how the world is changing and how that data | 让这些特工们去创造创造力 基于世界正在如何变化 以及数据是如何变化 |
| 402 | is changing too. | 也正在改变。 |
| 403 | Again, another huge insight around, wow, this is a new way of doing marketing, | 再一次,另一个巨大的洞察力 围绕,哇, 这是一个新的营销方式, |
| 404 | marketing engineer. | 营销工程师. |
| 405 | The fifth system is AI search visibilities. | 第五个系统是AI搜索粘度. |
| 406 | There's a billion plus people using | 有十亿人使用 |
| 407 | 聊天GPT只问聊天GPT. | |
| 408 | I'm not talking about Google AI overviews or Gemini or Perplexity | 我不是说Google AI的概论 双子座或双子座 |
| 409 | or Claude. | 或者克劳德 |
| 410 | I just saw Sam Altman said they have a billion users. | 我刚刚看到Sam Altman说他们有十亿用户 |
| 411 | It's insane. | 这太疯狂了 |
| 412 | You've got to think about whether your company is even understandable to those systems and then | 你得考虑一下你的公司 是否对这些系统都可以理解 然后 |
| 413 | having agents actually go pull in that data and actually create content and optimize your website | 让代理人员去调取数据 并创造内容和优化您的网站 |
| 414 | such that you're ranking high there. | 让你的排名很高 |
| 415 | Getting cited by AI is such a huge opportunity and something | 被AI引用是一个巨大的机会和东西 |
| 416 | a marketing engineer is thinking about, of course. | 一个营销工程师在想,当然。 |
| 417 | The sixth system is the growth cockpit. | 第六个系统是生长驾驶舱. |
| 418 | This is like a weekly view that tells the team what has changed and what to do about it, | 这就像每周的风景 告诉球队什么已经改变 和该怎么办, |
| 419 | what content has worked, what campaign created real conversations, which objection came up again, | 什么内容起作用了,什么运动创造了真正的对话, |
| 420 | what test won, how many tests won, what percentage of tests won, what competitors moved, | 什么样的测试赢了, 多少测试赢了, 多少比例的测试赢了, 什么竞争者移动, |
| 421 | what customer pain is getting louder, and what to test next. | 顾客的痛苦越发强烈 接下来要测试什么 |
| 422 | 对于HVAC公司, | |
| 423 | the cockpit might say something like, hey, this week the lost replacement revenue angle drove | 驾驶舱可能说,嘿, 这周丢失的替代收入角度驱动 |
| 424 | fewer clicks than the dispatch angle, but twice as many demo requests from owners with more than | 点击次数比调度角度要少,但显示用户请求的次数要多一倍 |
| 425 | 20 tech. | 20个技术 |
| 426 | That's the kind of memo that if you're an executive, you want to wake up to that. | 这就是那种备忘录,如果你是一名执行官,你想唤醒这个. |
| 427 | That's super, super valuable. | 这是超级,超级有价值的。 |
| 428 | If you've gotten this far, what are some ideas on how you actually | 如果你走得这么远,你有什么想法 |
| 429 | can make money with marketing engineering? | 营销工程能赚钱吗? |
| 430 | I think there's a few ways that you can do it. | 我认为有几种方法你可以做到这一点。 |
| 431 | The first is becoming the person inside the company. | 第一个是成为公司内部的人。 |
| 432 | If you're already a marketer or a | 如果你已经是推销员或 |
| 433 | rev ops person, a growth person, a creator, or just honestly like a curious marketing-minded | Rev对人,成长的人,创造者, 或者只是诚实的像一个好奇的营销意识 |
| 434 | person, this is one of the clearest ways to become way more valuable because this work sits | 人,这是最清楚的方法之一 变得更有价值 因为这部作品坐着 |
| 435 | directly next to revenue. | 紧邻收入。 |
| 436 | All the ideas that we talked about, all the systems that we talked | 我们谈论的所有想法, 我们谈论的所有系统 |
| 437 | about is things around creating pipeline, lifting conversion, cutting wasted spend is huge with | 创造管道 提升转换 削减浪费的花费是巨大的 |
| 438 | things like these marketing agents. | 像这些营销代理商 |
| 439 | You've got this direct line to business value, | 你有这条直线 与商业价值, |
| 440 | and that's how someone becomes a $500,000 hire because they look at it and they're like, well, | 所以有人成了50万的雇工 因为他们看着它,他们喜欢,嗯, |
| 441 | if I'm going to save $2 million and I'm going to increase revenue this much and I'm going to | 如果我能省下200万 我就能增加这么多收入 |
| 442 | double the conversion rate, that's a huge, huge, it's a win-win situation. | 换算率翻一番,这是巨大的,巨大的,是双赢的局面. |
| 443 | Why in the original I said I think that there's going to be people make a million dollars doing | 为什么我原话里说,我觉得人们会赚一百万 |
| 444 | this, and I actually think that's conservative. | 这个,我实际上认为这是保守的。 |
| 445 | I think there will be versions of the best | 我想会有最好的版本 |
| 446 | marketing engineers making millions of dollars a year is because they're going to be just driving | 营销工程师每年赚上百万 因为他们只是开车 |
| 447 | insane amounts of value in the same way that forward deploy engineers are driving insane amounts | 与前方部署的工程师一样 疯狂的金额 |
| 448 | of value for companies right now. | 现在对公司的价值。 |
| 449 | The second way is just do consulting. | 第二种方式就是咨询 |
| 450 | You create an offer, | 你创造了一个提议, |
| 451 | you embed with a founder-led company, maybe it's 30, 60, 90 days, you build one growth system, | 你与一个创始人领导的公司嵌入, 也许这是30,60,90天, 你建立一个增长系统, |
| 452 | and then you sell the outcome. | 然后卖掉结果 |
| 453 | Hey, we'll build your customer true system and turn it into weekly | 嘿,我们会建立你的客户真实系统 并把它变成每周 |
| 454 | campaigns, or we'll build your founder content engine, or we'll build your outbound signal | 或者我们造你的创始人内容引擎 或者我们造你的外向信号 |
| 455 | engine. | 发动机。 |
| 456 | Some of these ideas that we talked about, you just embed yourself, you build it, | 我们讨论过的一些想法, 你只是嵌入你自己, 你建造它, |
| 457 | and you charge $5,000, $10,000, $30,000 a month depending on what you're actually building. | 每月收费五千元,一万元,三万元 取决于你实际建造的是什么 |
| 458 | The third, somewhat less talked about, is productized services. | 第三个 -- -- 略少谈 -- -- 是生产服务。 |
| 459 | You can pick one wedge | 你可以选个楔子 |
| 460 | and then repeat it. | 然后复说. |
| 461 | For example, outbound signal engines for vertical SaaS, that's what you focus | 例如,用于垂直SaaS的外向信号引擎,这就是你聚焦的 |
| 462 | on, or founder content engine for B2B CEOs, customer truth repos for seed stage startups | B2B CEO的创建内容引擎, 种子阶段启动的客户真实性重置 |
| 463 | before they hire a full marketing team. | 在他们雇佣一个完整的营销团队之前 |
| 464 | The tighter the wedge, the easier it is to sell, | 楔子越紧 越容易卖掉 |
| 465 | deliver, and repeat, and that's the only thing that you focus on. | 提供,并重复, 这是你唯一专注于的事情。 |
| 466 | That's why it's called | 故名为. |
| 467 | productized services, because it's not like you're doing services, custom things for everyone. | 产品化的服务, 因为这不是你做的服务, 定制的东西给每个人。 |
| 468 | There's just one thing you do for this one niche, and you charge X amount of dollars for it. | 只有一件事你做这个位置, 你收取X的金额。 |
| 469 | The fourth is software. | 第四个是软件。 |
| 470 | I think the biggest outcomes are going to come from this, | 我认为最大的结果 将会从这个, |
| 471 | but I do think that I would start with services first. | 但我确实认为 我会先从服务开始。 |
| 472 | You do the work by hand, | 你亲手做的 |
| 473 | you build the same system for five companies, 10 companies, and you notice the pain that repeats, | 你为五家公司,十家公司 建立了同样的系统,你注意到 痛苦的重复, |
| 474 | and then that's when you turn it into software. | 然后当你把它变成软件。 |
| 475 | That's also how you avoid building something | 这也是你如何避免建造的东西 |
| 476 | that nobody wants. | 没有人想要。 |
| 477 | The fun part is all these ideas actually stack together. | 有趣的是所有这些想法实际上都堆在一起。 |
| 478 | You can start by | 你可以从头开始 |
| 479 | consulting to learn what actually works. | 咨询来了解什么是实际可行的。 |
| 480 | You can notice the same system every client needs, | 你可以注意到同样的系统 每一个客户端需要, |
| 481 | you productize it, you eventually turn it into software like a set of agents. | 你将它生产出来, 你最终把它变成一个软件 像一组代理。 |
| 482 | If I were doing this tomorrow morning, I would keep the first version almost painfully simple. | 如果我明天早上这样做,我就会使第一个版本几乎痛苦地简单化。 |
| 483 | I would build that growth OS folder, I'd have five of those files, customer truth, founder voice, | 我会建立成长OS文件夹, 我会有5个文件, 客户真相,创始人的声音, |
| 484 | experiments, agent jobs, and then I would paste 20 real customer notes or call summaries, | 实验 代理工作 然后我会粘贴20个真正的客户通知书 或调用摘要 |
| 485 | and then I would ask the agent to do one job. | 然后我会请经纪人做一件事 |
| 486 | I'd say, tell me what's changed, show me the receipts, | 告诉我有什么变化 给我看收据 |
| 487 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}建议进行一次营销测试 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}这个测试本周 而不是下周 | |
| 488 | from now, and then build one thing from that output for that HVAC company I was talking about. | 从现在开始,然后用那个产出 来为我所说的HVAC公司建造一个东西。 |
| 489 | Maybe it's the loss replacement revenue calculator or something like that. | 也许是损失重置收入计算器之类的 |
| 490 | The first goal is just to | 第一个目标是 |
| 491 | system, can turn this messy market data into one useful action. | 系统,可以把这个混乱的市场数据 变成一个有用的行动。 |
| 492 | If you listen to this and you're | 如果你听这个,你是 |
| 493 | like, wow, being a marketing engineer sounds really cool, I want to go hone my skills in the | 就像,哇,作为一个营销工程师 听起来真的很酷, 我想去磨练我的技能在 |
| 494 | next 30 days to become a marketing engineer, be it as an employee, as a founder, whatever it is, | 接下来的30天,成为一个营销工程师, 无论是作为一个雇员,作为一个创始人, 不管是什么, |
| 495 | here's the plan that I would run. | 我的计划是这样的 |
| 496 | Week one, I would do an audit. | 一周,我会做一个审计。 |
| 497 | I'd pick one real company, | 我会选一个真正的公司, |
| 498 | it could be yours or friends, whatever you can get access to. | 它可能是你的或朋友, 无论你能得到什么。 |
| 499 | I would study the website, | 我会研究网站, |
| 500 | the offer, the ICP, the founder's content, if there is any. | 如果有的话,请提供ICP,创始人的内容。 |
| 501 | Sales calls and support tickets, | 销售电话和机票, |
| 502 | if you can get them, obviously, and then you output a market map. | 如果你能得到它们,很明显, 然后你输出一个市场地图。 |
| 503 | Who's the customer? | 谁是顾客? |
| 504 | What | 什麽? |
| 505 | pain do they describe? | 他们描述的是疼痛吗? |
| 506 | What words do they use? | 他们用什么词? |
| 507 | What would you test first? | 你要先测试什么? |
| 508 | What are they buying | 他们买什么? |
| 509 | instead of your product or this product? | 而不是你的产品还是这个产品? |
| 510 | Where does the funnel leak and what would you test | 漏斗在哪里漏水 你会测试什么 |
| 511 | first? | 首先吗? |
| 512 | Week one is just studying all that stuff. | 一周只是研究那些东西 |
| 513 | Week two is the growth repo. | 第二周是增长回波. |
| 514 | Create it, add the | 创建它,添加 |
| 515 | folders, and build your first what is the market telling us markdown file. | 文件夹,并构建你的第一个 什么是市场告诉我们马克降级文件。 |
| 516 | You can use whatever | 随便用什么 |
| 517 | tools you like. | 你喜欢的工具。 |
| 518 | 可以是Claw,JadGBT,Grokbot,双子座当地模特儿,不管是什么. | |
| 519 | The tools | 工具 |
| 520 | actually matter less than the workflow here. | 和工作流程无关 |
| 521 | The goal is basically just to turn that scattered | 目标基本上就是扭转这种分散状态 |
| 522 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}在备忘录里写着真实的收据 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}实际上开始感觉像真正的市场营销 | |
| 523 | engineer. | 工程师 |
| 524 | Week three is your first machine. | 第三个星期是你的第一台机器 |
| 525 | You can pick one system and actually build it. | 你可以选择一个系统 并实际建造它。 |
| 526 | It could be the content engine, the outbound signal engine, a landing page tester. | 可以是内容引擎,外出信号引擎,登陆页测试机. |
| 527 | Obviously, this is going to vary depending on what the company needs and wants, but just pick one | 很明显,这将会因公司需要和需要而有所不同, 但只要选一个 |
| 528 | because you're going to get better outcome with one. | 因为你会得到更好的结果 一个。 |
| 529 | One working system is going to beat five | 一个工作系统会击败五个 |
| 530 | half-built ones. | 半个造的 |
| 531 | Week four is just all about results. | 第四个星期只是关于结果。 |
| 532 | What changed? | 什么变了? |
| 533 | You did this thing. | 这是你干的 |
| 534 | Did | 已经 |
| 535 | replies improve? | 答复有所改进? |
| 536 | Did meetings get booked? | 会议安排好了吗? |
| 537 | Did any conversion lift? | 有没有转机? |
| 538 | Did the founder sound sharper? | 创始人听起来更锋利吗? |
| 539 | Did the founder like the post? | 创始人喜欢这篇文章吗? |
| 540 | At the end of your month, you should have a case study that sounds | 月底,你应该有 案例研究听起来 |
| 541 | like, I audited this company's growth. | 喜欢,我审计了这家公司的成长。 |
| 542 | We built this customer truth repo. | 我们造了这个客户的真相。 |
| 543 | I found it was like one | 我发现它就像一个 |
| 544 | high-intent pain that they didn't know about. | 他们不知道的高意痛 |
| 545 | I turned it into an outbound signal engine which | 我把它变成一个外向信号引擎 |
| 546 | shipped 75 targeted messages, got nine warm replies, booked three calls. | 发送了75条目标信息,得到了9个温暖的答复,预订了3个电话。 |
| 547 | I documented everything | 我记录了一切 |
| 548 | what I learned. | 我学到的 |
| 549 | Then you're showing a real business result, tangible value. | 然后你展现了一个真正的商业成果, 有形的价值。 |
| 550 | That's how you get | 这就是你得到的 |
| 551 | clients and that's how you become credible. | 客户 这就是你如何变得可信。 |
| 552 | I think the best marketing engineers are going to | 我觉得最好的营销工程师会 |
| 553 | feel like part marketer, part product person, part rev ops, part data analyst, part creator, | 感觉像部分营销员,部分产品人, 部分rev操作, 部分数据分析师, 部分创建者, |
| 554 | and part engineer. | 和部分工程师。 |
| 555 | They can talk to a customer. | 他们可以跟客户说话 |
| 556 | They can build the workflow that uses that | 他们可以建立工作流程 利用它 |
| 557 | insight. | 洞见. |
| 558 | They can write the positioning. | 他们可以写位置。 |
| 559 | They can wire the automation. | 他们可以给自动化系统打线 |
| 560 | They can make the landing | 他们可以降落 |
| 561 | page. | 页面。 |
| 562 | They can read the conversion. | 他们可以读到转换。 |
| 563 | They can set the outbound agent. | 他们可以派外出特工 |
| 564 | They know when | 他们知道什么时候 |
| 565 | personalization sounds fake. | 个性化听起来是假的。 |
| 566 | They can use AI to make more. | 他们可以使用AI来制造更多. |
| 567 | They've got the judgment and taste | 他们有判断力和品味 |
| 568 | to know what should exist in the first place. | 来知道应该存在什么 |
| 569 | The agents are going to be a commodity at some | 代理商会成为一些商品 |
| 570 | point. | 点。 |
| 571 | Your judgment about what to point them to is the moat. | 你的判断是,什么是他们指向护城河。 |
| 572 | That's the job of the marketing | 这就是营销工作 |
| 573 | engineer really. | 工程师真的。 |
| 574 | I think it's going to be one of the most valuable jobs out there. | 我想这将是最有价值的工作之一 在那里。 |
| 575 | If you're a marketer, this is how you become the person your company literally cannot run | 如果你是推销员,这就是你如何成为 你公司实际上无法运作的人 |
| 576 | without. | 没有。 |
| 577 | If you're a founder, this is how you get agents running your marketing for you. | 如果你是一个创始人, 这就是你如何让代理 运行你的营销为你。 |
| 578 | I think there's a real edge that you can have when you're actually using marketing agents | 我想当你真正使用营销代理的时候,你有一个真正的优势 |
| 579 | to actually grow your startup ideas because people are still stuck in the old growth hacker | 因为人们仍然被老式的成长黑客所困 |
| 580 | or even worse, digital marketing era of marketing. | 更糟糕的是 营销的数字营销时代 |
| 581 | I think this window is open right now. | 我觉得这窗户现在打开了 |
| 582 | I think a lot of people haven't built the machine. | 我认为很多人还没有建造机器。 |
| 583 | I wanted to give you the sauce so that you can | 我想给你酱汁 这样你就可以 |
| 584 | internalize it, so you can process it, so you can get your hands dirty around building some | 内化它,你可以处理它, 这样你就可以得到你的手脏 周围建造一些 |
| 585 | of these agents, some of these marketing agents because it's all about increasing your | 这些代理商,一些这些营销代理商 因为这一切都是为了增加你的 |
| 586 | probability of success when it comes to building your own startup. | 在构建自己的启动时成功的可能性。 |
| 587 | I thought that, hey, if you can get a promotion, if you can have more fun being an employee | 我想,嘿,如果你能升职, 如果你能更有趣 作为一个员工 |
| 588 | working within an organization, why not do this? | 在组织内工作,为什么不这样做? |
| 589 | I hope this has been helpful. | 我希望这有帮助。 |
| 590 | Obviously, I could have gone deeper in so many parts of this episode. | 显然,我本可以更深入地了解这集的很多部分。 |
| 591 | There just wasn't enough | 只是还不够 |
| 592 | time, but do let me know what you want me to go deeper in. | 时间,但请告诉我 你要我更深入。 |
| 593 | Is it the grokbot part? | 是杂货店吗? |
| 594 | Is it | 是吗? |
| 595 | the markdown files, skills? | 减记文件,技能? |
| 596 | You let me know. | 你告诉我。 |
| 597 | I live to serve. | 我活着是为了服务。 |
| 598 | I'm here to just give that | 我是来给你的 |
| 599 | information to you. | 信息给你。 |
| 600 | Hopefully, you enjoy it. | 希望你喜欢它。 |
| 601 | Hopefully, it gets your creative juices flowing. | 希望它能让你的创造力流畅 |
| 602 | If you haven't liked, commented, subscribed at this point, I don't know what you're doing. | 如果你不喜欢,评论,订阅 在这一点上,我不知道你在做什么。 |
| 603 | Hook it up. | 钩上它。 |
| 604 | You're hooking yourself up. | 汝当自缚. |
| 605 | You're getting more quality content in your feed, | 你在你的饲料中得到了更多的质量内容, |
| 606 | less slop. | 少废话 |
| 607 | Thank you for giving me your time. | 谢谢你给我时间 |
| 608 | Hope it's been helpful, and I'll see you next time. | 希望有帮助 下次见 |
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