上议院英音天团！英国移民失控了？纯正英伦腔调，神级听力素材！
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| 0:01 | Net migration increased from 2021 to record levels in 2023, reaching 944,000 at its peak. | 2023年净移民人数从2021年增加到创纪录的水平,达到高峰时的94.4万人. |
| 0:11 | Since 2023, numbers have fallen substantially. | 自2023年以来,人数大幅下降。 |
| 0:14 | Net migration fell to 171,000 by the end of 2025, | 到2025年底,净移民降至171,000人, |
| 0:19 | an 82% increase compared to the peak and the lowest level since the pandemic. | 与该大流行病以来的高峰和最低水平相比增加了82%。 |
| 0:28 | Under the punts-based system, many people came into this country with a variety of visas, | 在基于双关语的体系下,很多人带着各种签证进入这个国家, |
| 0:32 | but in the last two years, over half a million people have acquired British citizenship. | 但是在过去两年中,超过50万人获得了英国公民身份。 |
| 0:36 | What assessment has the Government done of the Home Secretary's proposed policy change | 政府对内政大臣拟议的政策改革做了哪些评估 |
| 0:41 | to extend the right to acquire ILR and, I assume, citizenship to 10 years | 将获得《劳资关系法》和(我认为)公民身份的权利扩大到10年 |
| 0:45 | in terms of the number of people gaining British citizenship in the next decade? | 就今后十年获得英国公民身份的人数而言? |
| 0:50 | Well, we keep that matter under review, and as the noble Lady will know, | 我们一直在审查这件事 正如尊贵的夫人所知道的 |
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| 1 | Net migration increased from 2021 to record levels in 2023, reaching 944,000 at its peak. | 2023年净移民人数从2021年增加到创纪录的水平,达到高峰时的94.4万人. |
| 2 | Since 2023, numbers have fallen substantially. | 自2023年以来,人数大幅下降。 |
| 3 | Net migration fell to 171,000 by the end of 2025, | 到2025年底,净移民降至171,000人, |
| 4 | an 82% increase compared to the peak and the lowest level since the pandemic. | 与该大流行病以来的高峰和最低水平相比增加了82%。 |
| 5 | Under the punts-based system, many people came into this country with a variety of visas, | 在基于双关语的体系下,很多人带着各种签证进入这个国家, |
| 6 | but in the last two years, over half a million people have acquired British citizenship. | 但是在过去两年中,超过50万人获得了英国公民身份。 |
| 7 | What assessment has the Government done of the Home Secretary's proposed policy change | 政府对内政大臣拟议的政策改革做了哪些评估 |
| 8 | to extend the right to acquire ILR and, I assume, citizenship to 10 years | 将获得《劳资关系法》和(我认为)公民身份的权利扩大到10年 |
| 9 | in terms of the number of people gaining British citizenship in the next decade? | 就今后十年获得英国公民身份的人数而言? |
| 10 | Well, we keep that matter under review, and as the noble Lady will know, | 我们一直在审查这件事 正如尊贵的夫人所知道的 |
| 11 | we've produced an immigration bill which was published in the House of Commons, | 我们提出了移民法案 在下议院发表, |
| 12 | another place, last week, which brings significant changes. | 另一个地方,上周, 这带来了重大的变化。 |
| 13 | We keep all these | 我们留着这些 |
| 14 | under review. | 正在审查中。 |
| 15 | I say to her, generally, this Government are trying to get control | 我对她说, 总的来说, 这个政府试图控制 |
| 16 | of migration issues across the board, control of citizen issues across the board, | 全面处理移徙问题,全面控制公民问题, |
| 17 | and we are trying to do our best to, if I dare say so, rectify some of the difficulties of the | 我们正尽力,如果我敢说, 纠正一些困难。 |
| 18 | previous 14 years. | 14年来 |
| 19 | My Lord said to declare my interests, I'm supported by the ramp organisation. | 大人说要宣布我的利益 我得到了坡道组织的支持 |
| 20 | The Minister has rightly put the contribution that migration brings to this country at the | 部长正确地指出,移徙对这个国家的贡献是: |
| 21 | forefront, and it's in all of our interests to make sure that people integrate within our society | 并且确保人们融入我们社会符合我们所有的利益 |
| 22 | as rapidly as possible. | 尽快 |
| 23 | So I wondered if the noble Lord, the Minister, could tell us what the | 所以我想,贵族主,大臣,能否告诉我们 |
| 24 | Government is doing to speed that process up, to make it more accessible, and perhaps I could refer | 政府正在努力加快这一进程,使之更容易获得,也许我可以提及 |
| 25 | him to the contribution of his friend, noble Lord Griffiths of Burryport, who has just produced a | 他对他的朋友、博里波特的格利菲斯勋爵的贡献 |
| 26 | report on such matters, including the role of diasporas in the United Kingdom. | 关于这些事项的报告,包括联合王国侨民的作用。 |
| 27 | I'm grateful for the noble gentleman. | 我感激这位高贵的先生 |
| 28 | I've not had a chance yet to see my noble friend's report, | 我还没有机会看到 我的贵族朋友的报告, |
| 29 | but undoubtedly I will, because I know he will send it to me if nobody else does. | 但我肯定会的,因为我知道如果没人会寄给我 |
| 30 | But I would say to the noble Lord that we have to recognise that we are a multicultural society. | 但我要对尊贵的上帝说,我们必须承认我们是一个多文化的社会。 |
| 31 | The | 那个 |
| 32 | people who come to the United Kingdom historically have had ties to the United Kingdom from many | 从历史上讲,来联合王国的人与联合王国有许多联系。 |
| 33 | Commonwealth countries. | 英联邦国家. |
| 34 | The people who are coming here are bringing skills and important | 来这里的人 带来了技能和重要的 |
| 35 | contributions to our society, and we should recognise that and celebrate the differences | 我们应当认识到这一点,并庆祝这些差异。 |
| 36 | and celebrate the different faiths and respect those differences, and the Government is trying | 庆祝不同信仰和尊重这些差异,政府正在努力 |
| 37 | to, through my colleague the noble Lord, Lemos, as the Faith Minister, try to make sure that we | 通过我的同事 尊贵的领主莱莫斯 作为信仰部长 努力确保我们 |
| 38 | do have that contribution as a whole. | 整个人确实有这种贡献。 |
| 39 | But it is a constant challenge to make sure that we recognise | 但确保我们承认 |
| 40 | that, and one of the great challenges to achieve is to make sure we have a strong, managed migration | 以及需要实现的重大挑战之一是确保我们有强大、有管理的移徙 |
| 41 | system so people can see transparently that it's fair. | 这样人们就能透明地看到它是公平的。 |
| 42 | Children coming into the country are an important part of our migration and our immigration. | 进入我国的儿童是我们移徙和移民的重要组成部分。 |
| 43 | Might I ask the noble Lord the Minister what scientific methods are currently now being | 我能否问尊贵的领主,部长,现在的科学方法是什么? |
| 44 | used to assess the age of our immigrants, and how many appeals against those determinations | 用来评估我们的移民年龄 以及有多少次针对这些决定的上诉 |
| 45 | have been upheld? | 是否坚持了? |
| 46 | I declare my interest as previous Chair of the Home Office Committee on | 我宣布,作为内政部委员会前任主席,我对以下事项感兴趣: |
| 47 | age estimation. | 年龄估计。 |
| 48 | I can't give the noble Lady the exact figures on the appeals at the moment, but I will look into | 我不能给尊贵的女士 目前上诉的确切数字 但我会调查 |
| 49 | that and write to her. | 给她写信 |
| 50 | But what we are trying to do is to ensure that we do have age assessment | 但我们正在努力确保 我们确实有年龄评估 |
| 51 | through high levels of technology, and we are introducing now, at ports of entry, | 通过高水平的技术, 我们正在引入,在入境口岸, |
| 52 | that technology to ensure that we can make a rough estimate of the age of individuals | 技术,以确保我们可以 粗略估计个人的年龄 |
| 53 | who are arriving in the United Kingdom, as to whether they are below 18 or above 18. | 至于他们是否在18岁以下或18岁以上。 |
| 54 | I will write to confirm all those details to the noble Lady in due course. | 我会写信确认所有这些细节 在适当时候给尊贵的女士。 |
| 55 | Will the Government have a computerised system in place that can accurately track both entrance | 政府是否将有一个计算机化系统,能够准确跟踪两个入口 |
| 56 | and exits from the United Kingdom, and therefore give the Government an accurate picture of who | 并因此使政府能准确了解哪些人从联合王国离境。 |
| 57 | is here and what their status is at any one time? | 在这里,他们的地位是怎样的? |
| 58 | It's a very important point, and it's certainly a really key issue to know not just who arrives, | 这是一个非常重要的问题, 这当然是一个真正关键的问题 要知道谁来了, |
| 59 | but also who leaves. | 但谁离开。 |
| 60 | What we're trying to do is to modernise that infrastructure. | 我们想要做的是使基础设施现代化。 |
| 61 | We're looking at how we can use AI particularly now to improve the assessment of information | 我们正在研究如何使用AI 特别是现在 改进信息评估 |
| 62 | that we've got, and I will certainly reflect on what the noble Lord has said and respond to him | 我当然会考虑 尊贵的上帝所说的话 |
| 63 | further on those issues as to what we are doing. | 关于这些问题,我们正做些什么。 |
| 64 | It has recently been revealed that despite the | 最近发现,尽管 |
| 65 | previous Government placing restrictions on dependence for those on health and social care | 前政府限制对健康和社会护理的依赖 |
| 66 | people are still bringing in huge numbers of dependents. | 人们仍然带来大量家属。 |
| 67 | Twelve such visas were issued to nationals of Cameroon, and yet they were allowed to bring | 向喀麦隆国民签发了12份此类签证,但允许他们携带 |
| 68 | 180 people with them. | 180人带着他们。 |
| 69 | I do not say this, my Lords, to make any great political point, | 我这样说并不是要说出伟大的政治观点 |
| 70 | but I'm sure the Minister agrees with me that this is just not how the system is supposed to | 但我肯定部长同意我的观点 认为这不是制度应该如何 |
| 71 | operate. | 操作。 |
| 72 | In light of that, does the Government have any plans to rectify this situation? | 有鉴于此,政府是否有任何计划纠正这种情况? |
| 73 | I'm grateful to the noble Lord for raising this issue. | 感谢尊者提出这个问题. |
| 74 | We have seen some reports of the question | 我们见过一些关于这个问题的报道 |
| 75 | around dependence of health and care visa holders remaining exempt from surcharge and also bringing | 保健和护理签证持有人的依赖性,仍免收附加费,并带来 |
| 76 | in family members. | 在家庭成员。 |
| 77 | We're looking at this, but some aspects of the stories that are in the press at | 我们正看着这个,但有些方面的故事 在媒体上, |
| 78 | the moment are incorrect, and it's incorrect to link dependent visas granted in a given year with | 将特定年份发放的依赖性签证与 |
| 79 | worker visas granted in the same period. | 同期发放的工人签证。 |
| 80 | I'll look at the issue that the noble Lord has mentioned, | 我看看尊者提到的问题 |
| 81 | but there are some inaccuracies around the issues that he's mentioned, not him personally, | 但他提到的问题有些不准确 而不是他本人 |
| 82 | but around the reporting of those issues, and I will look into that and drop him a note. | 但围绕这些问题的报告, 我会调查这个问题 并给他留个字条。 |
| 83 | What sustainable rate of net inward migration would the Government like to see going forward? | 政府希望看到哪些可持续的向内净移徙率继续下去? |
| 84 | Unlike previous Governments, we're not setting a target on net migration. | 与前几届政府不同,我们并没有设定净移民的目标. |
| 85 | What we're trying to do, | 我们想要做的事 |
| 86 | and which has been proved by my initial answer to my noble friend, is that we are trying to ensure | 我对我的崇高朋友的最初答复证明了这一点,那就是我们正在努力确保 |
| 87 | that we manage migration in an effective way. | 我们以有效的方式管理移徙。 |
| 88 | That has seen a massive drop in the number of people | 人数大幅下降 |
| 89 | on the net migration figure over what his Government was in place, but if we set a target, | 但是如果我们定下目标 |
| 90 | we will do exactly what I said previous Conservative Prime Ministers have done | 我们将照我之前说的去做 保守党总理已经做了 |
| 91 | throughout the last 14 years, set a target, but put no policy objectives to achieve it, | 在过去的14年中,设定了一个目标,但没有设定实现这一目标的政策目标, |
| 92 | and not take into account the needs of the British people and the British economy. | 而不考虑英国人民和英国经济的需要。 |
| 93 | Your Excellency, back to the NHS. | 阁下 回到NHS |
| 94 | There is roughly 7,000 vacancies for doctors within the NHS, | 全国卫生体系内约有7,000名医生空缺。 |
| 95 | and if you look at the BMA's record, there's nearly 2,000 registered refugees who have a | 如果你看看BMA的记录, 有近2000名注册难民 谁拥有 |
| 96 | medical qualification, some of them waiting over two years for their asylum application to be | 一些人等待两年多才申请庇护。 |
| 97 | processed. | 已处理。 |
| 98 | Wouldn't it be a good idea to have a system where over a period of time, if someone's | 如果有人在一段时间内 |
| 99 | asylum claim hasn't been processed, they're allowed to work, pay taxes and contribute to the | 庇护申请没有被处理,他们被允许工作,交税和为 |
| 100 | country? | 国家? |
| 101 | With respect to the noble Lord, I prefer to tackle the problem from the other direction. | 关于尊贵的上帝,我宁愿从另一个方向处理这个问题。 |
| 102 | I prefer to ensure, as we are trying to do as a Government now, that we speed up asylum processing, | 我宁愿确保,正如我们作为一个政府现在所做的那样,加快庇护程序, |
| 103 | we speed up asylum claims, we get some decisions on asylum, and therefore those who are entitled | 我们加快庇护申请,我们得到一些庇护决定,因此,那些有资格申请庇护的人 |
| 104 | to asylum have it granted, those who are not are returned to a country of safety, and that we | 给予庇护,那些没有返回安全国家的人,我们 |
| 105 | process that in a speedy way. | 快速处理。 |
| 106 | We have put investments and resources into that, and I don't | 我们投入了投资和资源,我没有 |
| 107 | think it's right and proper to ensure that we have the possibility of work while asylum claims are | 认为确保我们有可能在申请庇护期间工作是正确和恰当的。 |
| 108 | being processed. | 正在处理中。 |
| 109 | What we're trying to do is to speed up that processing. | 我们想要做的是加快处理速度。 |
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