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| 0:04 | My Lords, HS2 Ltd在2025-2026年花费7,780万英镑用于咨询. | |
| 0:06 | This targeted advice | 这一有针对性的建议 |
| 0:15 | was used to support the fundamental reset, its scope and its cost. | 用于支持基本重置、其范围和成本。 |
| 0:19 | This is a significant | 这很重要 |
| 0:20 | undertaking in terms of complexity, pace and scale, and could not all be done in-house. | 就复杂性、速度和规模而言,不能全部在内部进行。 |
| 0:25 | Under new leadership, HS2 Ltd is being transformed into a simplified, more cost-effective company | 在新的领导下,HS2有限公司正在转变为一个简化、成本效益更高的公司 |
| 0:31 | with more than 300 back-office roles already removed and an absolute focus on delivery. | 已经取消了300多个后台角色,绝对注重交付。 |
| 0:38 | My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend's response. | 大人们,我很感激我的贵族朋友的回应. |
| 0:41 | First of all, I would like to express | 首先,我想说 |
| 0:43 | my condolences to the family of the train driver who died in the accident last Friday, | 我向上周五事故中丧生的火车司机家属表示哀悼, |
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| 1 | My Lords, HS2 Ltd在2025-2026年花费7,780万英镑用于咨询. | |
| 2 | This targeted advice | 这一有针对性的建议 |
| 3 | was used to support the fundamental reset, its scope and its cost. | 用于支持基本重置、其范围和成本。 |
| 4 | This is a significant | 这很重要 |
| 5 | undertaking in terms of complexity, pace and scale, and could not all be done in-house. | 就复杂性、速度和规模而言,不能全部在内部进行。 |
| 6 | Under new leadership, HS2 Ltd is being transformed into a simplified, more cost-effective company | 在新的领导下,HS2有限公司正在转变为一个简化、成本效益更高的公司 |
| 7 | with more than 300 back-office roles already removed and an absolute focus on delivery. | 已经取消了300多个后台角色,绝对注重交付。 |
| 8 | My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend's response. | 大人们,我很感激我的贵族朋友的回应. |
| 9 | First of all, I would like to express | 首先,我想说 |
| 10 | my condolences to the family of the train driver who died in the accident last Friday, | 我向上周五事故中丧生的火车司机家属表示哀悼, |
| 11 | and of course to the relatives of those who were injured. | 当然还有受伤者的亲属 |
| 12 | I am not going to say any more | 我不会再说了 |
| 13 | about that because it is another day. | 因为这是另一天。 |
| 14 | I am grateful to my noble friend for his answer, | 我感激我的贵族朋友的回答 |
| 15 | but my figure of how much the Government have spent on consultants is £22 million, | 但我估计政府花在顾问身上的钱是2200万英镑 |
| 16 | with a further £18 million to £19 million over the next 12 months. | 在接下来的12个月里,还有1800万英镑到1900万英镑. |
| 17 | I have to ask my noble friend what they are doing for their money. | 我不得不问我的贵族朋友 他们是为了钱做什么 |
| 18 | They are on a cost-plus contract | 他们签了加价合同 |
| 19 | and the design has long since been finalised. | 设计早已敲定。 |
| 20 | What are they getting for their money, | 他们拿钱拿什么? |
| 21 | apart from wasting taxpayers' money? | 除了浪费纳税人的钱? |
| 22 | I should say from this Dispatch Box that the Government, too, are immensely sad about the | 我要从这个调度箱里说 政府也非常悲伤 |
| 23 | events in Bedford last Friday. | 上周五贝德福德发生的事件 |
| 24 | Our sympathies are wholly with the relatives of the deceased | 我们完全同情死者的亲属 |
| 25 | driver and with all of those affected by the accident. | 司机和所有受事故影响的人 |
| 26 | The Secretary of State for Transport | 运输国务秘书 |
| 27 | is making a statement later in the other place. | 稍后在另一个地方发表声明 |
| 28 | In respect of the spend on consultants, this | 关于顾问费用, |
| 29 | consultant spend in the 2025-26 financial year is for a fundamentally different purpose than any | 2025-26财政年度顾问开支的目的与任何其他目的根本不同。 |
| 30 | previously spent on consultancy for HS2. | 先前用于HS2的顾问费用. |
| 31 | The company was not in control of the contracts | 该公司无法控制合同 |
| 32 | that it had let. | 它让。 |
| 33 | It was not in control of what work had been done. | 它不能控制所做的工作。 |
| 34 | The effort to find out what | 寻找 |
| 35 | work had been done for the money that is spent—roughly two-thirds of the original budget has been spent | 大约三分之二的原始预算已经用完。 |
| 36 | and only a third of the work has been done—is testimony to the way in which the project was | 并且只有三分之一的工作已经完成,这证明了该项目是如何进行的。 |
| 37 | managed. | 管理。 |
| 38 | Getting control of it means finding out what was done, and that is what this money | 控制它意味着找出 做了什么,这就是这些钱 |
| 39 | has been spent on. | 已经花费了。 |
| 40 | When will we have a realistic timetable and budget to complete the works on this much-delayed railway | 我们什么时候能有一份现实的时间表和预算 来完成这条被拖延很久的铁路 |
| 41 | line? | 线条? |
| 42 | The recent statement by the Secretary of State for Transport in the other place | 负责运输事务的国务秘书最近的声明 |
| 43 | said that the work that Mark Wilde as the new chief executive, Mike Brown as the new | 马克·怀尔德作为新任首席执行官 迈克·布朗作为新任首席执行官 |
| 44 | chair of the new board, is now expected to cost between £87.7 billion and £102.7 billion. | 新董事长,现在预计花费在877亿至1027亿英镑之间. |
| 45 | The first trains are now expected to run between Old Oak Common and Birmingham Curzon Street, | 第一批列车现在预计在老橡树公社和伯明翰库尔松街之间运行, |
| 46 | sometime between May 2036 and October 2039. | 在2036年5月至2039年10月期间 |
| 47 | The full scheme, including Euston Station and the | 整个计划,包括尤斯顿站和 |
| 48 | connection to the west coast main line at Hansacre Junction, is expected to open between May 2040 and | 连接汉萨克雷口西海岸干线,预计于2040年5月至 |
| 49 | December 2043. | 2043年12月通车. |
| 50 | My Lords, I invite my noble friend the Minister and everybody else in the House in 2037—and I | 大人们,我邀请我尊敬的朋友部长和2037年在众议院的其他人——我 |
| 51 | repeat 2037—to join me on the opening of HS2 to save 30 minutes to get to Birmingham. | 重复2037——加入我HS2开机 节省30分钟到达伯明翰. |
| 52 | At the moment, that has cost, as you have told my noble friend the Minister, £102 billion. | 目前,这需要花费,正如你告诉我的贵族朋友部长说的那样,需要1 020亿英镑。 |
| 53 | To cancel it will be £58 billion. | 取消将达580亿英镑. |
| 54 | To save further money, they are reducing the top speed by | 为了节省更多的钱,他们正在降低最高速度 |
| 55 | 25 miles an hour. | 25英里每小时。 |
| 56 | Frankly, you could not make this up. | 老实说,你无法编造这个故事 |
| 57 | It seems to me that the potential | 在我看来,潜力 |
| 58 | saving of some £50 billion could be better spent, not least on a few submarines. | 节省大约500亿英镑可以更好的花费, 更不要说在几艘潜艇上。 |
| 59 | I invite my noble friend the Minister to think very seriously about cancelling this white elephant. | 我邀请我的贵族朋友部长 认真思考取消这只白象的问题 |
| 60 | My noble friend has come into this long-running play, hopefully after the intermission and | 我高贵的朋友 已经进入了这场长期游戏, 希望在中途和 |
| 61 | the first act. | 第一次行动 |
| 62 | You could say that the point of HS2 is badly named. | 你可以说,HS2的点 命名不好。 |
| 63 | The point of the scheme is to | 这个计划的目的是 |
| 64 | produce a serial improvement in train capacity between London, the west midlands, | 伦敦、西部中部地带之间的列车能力不断提高 |
| 65 | the north of England and Scotland. | 英格兰和苏格兰北部 |
| 66 | That is the purpose of the scheme. | 这就是该计划的目的。 |
| 67 | The result of the scheme | 计划的结果 |
| 68 | will be far more capacity, both on the new line and released on the old line, in places like | 无论是在新线上还是在旧线上 都会有更大的容量 |
| 69 | Falkland, Queens and so forth, to allow the economy of Britain outside London to have its | 福克兰群岛、皇后区等地允许英国在伦敦以外的经济拥有其经济。 |
| 70 | full potential in Birmingham, the north of England, and stretching as far as Scotland. | 在英国北部的伯明翰 并延伸到苏格兰 |
| 71 | It is not just a high-speed line. | 这不仅仅是一条高速线路。 |
| 72 | You cannot judge the value of the expenditure merely on the | 您不能仅仅根据 |
| 73 | elapsed journey time, though it is handy that the line is faster. | 路程过长,但线程更快是件好事。 |
| 74 | Having started it in whatever | 开始它的任何 |
| 75 | position it is in, and we inherited it in a very bad position, the best thing to do is to finish it. | 它的位置,我们继承它 在非常糟糕的地位, 最好的办法就是完成它。 |
| 76 | I have spent most of my life living in the north of England. | 我一生大部分时间都住在英国北部 |
| 77 | I strongly agree with the Minister's | 我完全同意部长的如下意见: |
| 78 | point that we need to improve very considerably the capacity of railway lines to the whole of | 指出我们需要大大改善铁路线的运力 |
| 79 | the north of England, the north-west, Yorkshire and the north-east. | 分布于英格兰北部,西北部,约克郡以及东北部. |
| 80 | That clearly justifies | 这显然证明 |
| 81 | completing the line and completing it to Yorkshire as well as to Manchester. | 完成线程并完成至约克郡以及曼彻斯特. |
| 82 | The Minister has | 部长已经 |
| 83 | explained that this is an entirely exceptional circumstance in which these consultants were | 解释说,这是这些顾问在以下情况下完全例外的情况: |
| 84 | brought in. | 带来了。 |
| 85 | However, can I tempt him to talk about the Government's use of consultants, | 不过,我可以让他谈谈政府使用顾问的问题吗? |
| 86 | which has expanded over the past 15 years? | 在过去15年中扩大的? |
| 87 | Does there not come a point in dealing with | 处理 |
| 88 | outsourcing contractors and public procurement when the Government should perhaps be insourcing | 外包承包商和政府采购,而政府也许应该外包 |
| 89 | its capacity to examine what outside contractors provide and not always outsource it or so often | 其审查外部承包商提供哪些服务的能力,并非总能将其外包或如此频繁地外包 |
| 90 | outsource it to consultants who charge a good due more than civil servants do? | 外包给比公务员收费高的顾问? |
| 91 | I certainly thank the noble Lord for his clarity about the purpose of HS2. | 我当然感谢尊贵的上帝澄清了HS2的目的. |
| 92 | I am not the best person | 我不是个好人 |
| 93 | to stand here to talk about consultant expenditure in Government in general, but I sympathise with | 站在这谈论政府顾问开支,但我同情 |
| 94 | about getting long-term work done. | 关于完成长期工作。 |
| 95 | The cheapest way of getting long-term work done is to employ | 做长期工作最便宜的方法就是雇用 |
| 96 | people to do it on an employment basis. | 人们在就业的基础上这样做。 |
| 97 | If you look at what has had to be done by Mark Wilde | 如果你看看Mark Wilde必须做什么 |
| 98 | and under the supervision of Mike Brown and the new board, you will see that a company that does | 在麦克·布朗和新董事会的监督下 你会看到一家公司 |
| 99 | not know how it spent its own money and does not know what work was done for it in circumstances | 不知道它怎么花自己的钱 也不知道在什么情况下做了些什么 |
| 100 | where their currently cost-plus contracts are in need of serious help. | 其目前的成本加合同需要认真帮助。 |
| 101 | That serious help, frankly, | 老实说,那帮大忙 |
| 102 | can only be established in the short term with the use of consultants. | 短期内只有使用顾问才能建立。 |
| 103 | My Lords, may I, on behalf of these Benches, also express my condolences to those who lost | 诸位大人,请允许我代表这些法官,向那些失去人权的人表示哀悼。 |
| 104 | their lives in this tragedy on Friday. | 他们在星期五的悲剧中的生活 |
| 105 | Happily, it was a very rare event on Britain's railways. | 令人高兴的是,这是英国铁路上罕见的事件. |
| 106 | My Lords, in relation to HS2, one of HS2's principal contractors has warned that the | 阁下,关于HS2, HS2的主要承包商之一已警告说, |
| 107 | Government's steel tariffs are ill-timed, unhelpful and will exacerbate existing challenges | 政府钢铁关税不及时、无益,将加剧现有挑战 |
| 108 | 面对HS2. | |
| 109 | Why has the Government chosen to make HS2 even more expensive by putting these | 政府为何选择将这种价格加起来,使HS2更加昂贵。 |
| 110 | tariffs on imported steel? | 对进口钢铁征收关税? |
| 111 | Fortunately, nearly all of the steel for HS2 has already been | 幸运的是,几乎所有HS2的钢铁都已经 |
| 112 | purchased, so although it suffers from many things, it will not suffer from changes in | 购买,所以尽管它受到很多的伤害,但它不会受到变化的影响 |
| 113 | steel prices going forward. | 钢铁价格向前发展。 |
| 114 | Indeed, if the noble Lord was to look either on social media | 的确,如果高贵的上帝在社交媒体上看到 |
| 115 | or at pictures or even go and see, he will see that a vast amount of steel has already | 或者在照片上,甚至去看看, 他就会看到,大量的钢铁已经 |
| 116 | been erected on the route to Birmingham. | 在去伯明翰的路上被竖起 |
| 117 | My Lords, given the purpose of HS2, why was | 大人,鉴于HS2的目的,为什么 |
| 118 | HS2A running to Crewe cancelled? | HS2A运行至克鲁取消? |
| 119 | It is a very short section, some 30 miles or so, | 这是一个非常短的路段,大约30英里左右, |
| 120 | and it would have provided a very valuable link to the West Coast line. | 本来可以提供一条非常有价值的 连接西海岸线。 |
| 121 | Why was it cancelled? | 为什么取消? |
| 122 | I think the noble Lord needs to look at the Benches across from me, because phase 2A of HS2, | 我认为尊贵的上帝需要看看我对面的座椅 因为HS2的2A阶段 |
| 123 | which would have run from Handzaker to Crewe and then on to Manchester, was cancelled peremptorily | 从汉扎克到克鲁 再到曼彻斯特 绝对取消 |
| 124 | by one of the previous Conservative Prime Ministers at virtually no notice and without | 由前保守党总理之一在几乎不事先通知的情况下 |
| 125 | some of the consequences being either foreseen beforehand or indeed requested afterwards. | 某些后果是事先预见的,或是在事后要求的。 |
| 126 | This Government are keeping the land that had already been purchased and are | 该政府保留了已经购买的土地。 |
| 127 | thinking carefully about what needs to be done north of Birmingham to Crewe and to Manchester. | 仔细考虑在伯明翰以北到克鲁和曼彻斯特 需要做什么 |
| 128 | My Lords, if I can first and foremost say to the Minister, as somebody who regularly uses that | 大人,我首先要对部长说, 这个人经常使用 |
| 129 | railway line from St Pancras to Derby, how everyone shares the thoughts of the Government. | 从圣潘克拉斯到德比的铁路线,每个人如何分享政府的想法. |
| 130 | I am sure | 当然 |
| 131 | the Minister will come to the House as soon as he has any interim information on what the | 部长一旦掌握任何临时情报,将立即来众议院。 |
| 132 | rail accident investigation branch reveal. | 铁路事故调查部门揭发. |
| 133 | As far as HS2 is concerned, he is absolutely right to | 就HS2而言,他绝对有权 |
| 134 | say it is more about capacity than speed. | 说它更多的是能力而不是速度。 |
| 135 | That has always been the case. | 情况始终如此。 |
| 136 | However, there is no | 但是,没有 |
| 137 | doubt that there are huge amounts of lessons to be learned as a result of some of the things that | 令人怀疑的是,由于某些因素,我们从中汲取了大量经验教训。 |
| 138 | have gone terribly wrong as far as some of these contracts are done. | 就完成一些合同而言,这是错误的。 |
| 139 | Bearing in mind the reports | 铭记这些报告 |
| 140 | in the Times last week about how much more infrastructure costs are in this country than | 上周的《泰晤士报》报道了 这个国家的基础设施成本比 |
| 141 | rest of Europe, will the Government be looking at that report in detail and see what lessons can be | 欧洲其他国家政府是否将详细审查该报告,并研究哪些经验教训。 |
| 142 | learned? | 学过? |
| 143 | I have the greatest respect for the noble Lord and his knowledge. | 我最尊敬尊贵的上帝和他的知识 |
| 144 | I know that he | и笵 |
| 145 | travels regularly on the middle and main lines, so I am sure that I will be standing here as soon | 经常在中线和主线上行驶,所以我确信我会尽快站在这里 |
| 146 | as there are some concrete facts on the accident. | 因为事故有具体的事实 |
| 147 | He is right. | 他说得对。 |
| 148 | The reports suggest that we are not | 报告表明我们不是 |
| 149 | certainly very cheap at major projects. | 在重大项目上当然很便宜 |
| 150 | The thing I would say to him, which I hope he is familiar | 我想对他说的事 我希望他熟悉 |
| 151 | with anyway, is that we can do projects of large sizes. | 总之,我们可以做大型项目。 |
| 152 | 跨Pennine公路升级, | |
| 153 | which nobody talks about, which is at least £13 billion to £14 billion and is in hand now on the | 没有人谈论, 这至少是130亿至140亿英镑 现在手头 |
| 154 | railway that is operating every day, is on time and budget. | 每天开通的铁路是按时和预算的。 |
| 155 | It is worth reflecting that claims | 这一索赔值得反映。 |
| 156 | that this country can no longer do these things are not correct. | 这个国家不能再做这些事情了 这是错误的。 |
| 157 | We can do them, but they need | 我们可以做到这一点,但他们需要 |
| 158 | to be thought about. | 被考虑。 |
| 159 | They need to be planned properly. | 需要妥善规划。 |
| 160 | You do not start the job until you know | 在你知道之前不要开始工作 |
| 161 | what you are buying, and then they need to be managed cleverly by people who know what they are | 你买什么,然后他们需要 聪明管理的人 谁知道他们是什么 |
| 162 | doing with a partnership with the contractors. | 与承包商建立伙伴关系。 |
| 163 | The result is that we will show that we can do | 结果是,我们将显示,我们能够 |
| 164 | a big project on the railway in the north of England. | 英国北部铁路的大型工程. |
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