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【牛津辩论】英国改革党具备执政能力? 20260804

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0:00And without further ado, tonight's motion不用多说了,今晚的动议
0:02is this House believes reform is fit to govern.本院认为改革适合治理
0:05And opening the argument on proposition开口论辩
0:11is our very own director of press, Benedict Masters.是我们自己的新闻总监 本尼迪克特·马斯特斯
0:21Thank you, thank you.谢谢,谢谢。
0:24Thank you, Madam President.谢谢你,主席女士。
0:26See, it's often good practice for the first speaker看,第一位演讲人经常是好的做法
0:30to set the definitions and boundaries of a debate.确定辩论的定义和界限。
0:34I will not do this.我不会这样做。
0:36Instead, I want to set a tone, because I相反,我想定调,因为我
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1And without further ado, tonight's motion不用多说了,今晚的动议
2is this House believes reform is fit to govern.本院认为改革适合治理
3And opening the argument on proposition开口论辩
4is our very own director of press, Benedict Masters.是我们自己的新闻总监 本尼迪克特·马斯特斯
5Thank you, thank you.谢谢,谢谢。
6Thank you, Madam President.谢谢你,主席女士。
7See, it's often good practice for the first speaker看,第一位演讲人经常是好的做法
8to set the definitions and boundaries of a debate.确定辩论的定义和界限。
9I will not do this.我不会这样做。
10Instead, I want to set a tone, because I相反,我想定调,因为我
11don't think many people here in sort of sheltered academia别以为这里有不少人 属于庇护的学术界
12even want to understand the world which甚至想了解这个世界
13has led to reform's growth in Britain today.导致了今天英国的改革增长。
14So let's take a walk down a normal British town.我们沿着一个普通的英国小镇走
15What do you see?你看见什么了?
16I see small businesses failing and shutting down我看见小企业倒闭了
17in the hundreds, pubs, shops, and restaurants alike.上百家酒吧 商店和餐馆
18And in their place, I see barbers and vape shops代替他们,我看到理发店和流浪店
19all empty, but somehow all still open.全都是空的,但不知怎么的都还开着
20I see families scared to let their children play我看见家人害怕让孩子玩
21unsupervised, mothers scared that their child would没有监督,母亲害怕孩子会
22interact with gang culture.与帮派文化互动。
23And I see ordinary people sick of bureaucracy,我看见普通人厌倦官僚主义
24sick of the state, ordinary people国家病,普通人
25sick of how the politicians ignore them, or more accurately,厌倦了政客如何忽视他们, 或者更准确地说,
26how politicians revile them.政治人物如何诋毁他们。
27And this is where reform has come from.这就是改革的起源。
28The more you try to deny it, to deny the problems that你越试图否认, 否认的问题,
29scare millions of Brits stiff, the more reform吓唬了数百万英国人 改革越多
30will come to dominate our politics.将主宰我们的政治
31But before I go further, it falls upon me但是,在我走远之前,它落在我身上
32to introduce the opposition for tonight's debate.为今晚的辩论介绍反对派
33首先我们自己的图书管理员Prajral Pandey
34also a third year at New College.也是新学院的三年级学生。
35It will be exciting, exciting to hear what I'm sure听到我肯定的话会很兴奋的
36will be piercing criticism of the right wing将刺穿对右翼的批评
37from a man who ran to become the political officer一个想成为政治官员的人
38of the Conservative Association and lost.保守派协会的,输了
39Next is Josh Babarindo, president of the Liberal Democrats.接下来是自由民主党主席乔什·巴巴林多.
40I was asked how many Lib Dems it would有人问我会有多少Lib Dems
41take to change a light bulb.换个灯泡
42I would answer zero.我会回答零。
43No matter how many are there, they'll all不管有多少人,他们都会
44blame Elon Musk for it breaking.怪伊隆·穆斯克弄坏了
45And yet we'll do nothing to fix it.但我们不会做任何事情来修复它。
46After him is Rachel Millwood, deputy leader of the Greens.之后是绿党的副领袖瑞秋·米尔伍德.
47Rachel earned her bachelor's from St. Hughes College,瑞秋从圣休斯学院获得学士学位
48one of the furthest out from the center of town.离市中心最远的地方之一
49If she was to leave now to visit her first year room,如果她现在要离开 去她第一年的房间
50I'm confident that by the time she comes back,我相信她回来的时候
51she'll still have a front row seat to next week's debate.她还是会有一个前排座位 下周的辩论。
52After her, we'll hear from Sir Desmond Swain,在她之后,我们将听到德斯蒙德·斯温爵士,
53a serial Tory cabinet minister and an MP since 1997,自1997年以来,连续担任托里内阁部长和一名议员,
54given how he's seemingly in the only safe seat考虑到他似乎在 唯一安全的座位上
55in the country right now.在国内现在。
56Of course, he won't support reform.当然,他不会支持改革.
57In five years, he'll be the only Tory MP left.5年后,他将是唯一剩下的托里议员.
58And that's a very easy leadership contest.这是一个非常简单的领导竞赛。
59Finally, we all hear from Ian Blackford,最后,我们都听到 伊恩・布莱克福德,
60a former leader of the SNP.前国家警察部队领导人。
61Now, a little known fact about Ian现在,关于伊恩的一个小事实
62他支持爱丁堡的Hibernian FC
63They have not won the Scottish premiership since 1952.他们自1952年以来一直没有赢得苏格兰首秀.
64I can only hope his ideas are not我只能希望他的想法不会
65as outdated as his team.像他的团队一样过时
66Madam President, these are your speakers主席女士,这些是你的发言者
67and they are most welcome.他们非常受欢迎。
68You'll have noticed, you'll have noticed these speakers你会注意到,你会注意到这些扬声器
69represent a wide range of older parties.代表着一系列较老的政党。
70Now, these parties were at some point or another现在,这些派对是在某个时候或者另一个时候
71bigger than reform.比改革还大
72So unlike reform, they've had decades不像改革,他们已经几十年了
73and sometimes centuries to prove themselves.有时是几个世纪来证明自己
74The Britain that we see today is a product of these parties我们今天看到的英国 是这些政党的产物
75and it is not a good place for a young person to be.它不是一个好地方 一个年轻人是。
76Student loans brought in by Labour,劳工带来的学生贷款,
77doubled down by the Tories,被托里双倍减少,
78put us in debt until we retire.欠我们债直到我们退休
79So may as well not go to university.所以最好不要上大学
80The welfare state has made it so that junior doctors福利国家让初级医生
81and junior barristers may as well not work at all初级大律师可能根本不工作
82because those who do nothing are paid the same因为无所事事的人得到同样的报酬
83and sometimes more.有时会更多
84Our food, our houses and our fuel costs more,我们的食物,我们的房屋和我们的燃料成本更高,
85but our wages have not changed.但我们的工资没有变化。
86I am a law student at Oxford我是牛津大学的法学学生
87and I'm not sure that I can get on the housing ladder我不确定能不能登上住家阶梯
88before I turn 40.在我40岁之前
89And the state has stopped pretending it cares about this.州政府不再假装关心这件事了
90The words two-tier policing, two-tier justice双层治安 双层司法
91are so normal under Labour在工党统治下很正常
92that we don't really feel anything when we hear them,当我们听到他们的时候,我们真的没有任何感觉,
93but we should feel something.但我们应该有感觉
94This is not normal.这是不正常的。
95It goes against everything that Britain stands for,这违背了英国所主张的一切
96but we're starting to feel.但我们开始感觉到了
97That's why up and down the country,故上下诸国.
98people are so disturbed by each new injustice人们为每一次新的不公正而不安
99we see on social media or on the news.我们在社交媒体或新闻上看到。
100The violence always being entirely preventable.暴力总是完全可以预防的。
101When the public find out, they protest increasingly often.当公众发现后,他们抗议的次数越来越多.
102But these protests do not come from a fringe far right.但抗议并非来自极右边缘。
103Tens of millions of Brits数千万英国人
104definitionally cannot be on the fringe.定义上不能处于边缘。
105Maybe they're just fed up of a useless,也许他们只是厌倦了一个没用的,
106unchanging and uncaring status quo.不变和无情的现状。
107Maybe if the government even pretended to care也许如果政府假装在乎
108about equality of treatment, this would not have happened.关于平等待遇,这是不会发生的。
109Then where are my speech?那我的演讲呢?
110So we're going to go off.所以我们要出发了
111Sure.当然
112Is reformers ready to come改革者们准备好来了
113and assume I can give that speech then假设我当时能发表演说
114if you cannot even keep your paper?如果你甚至不能保存你的论文?
115I would blame.我会责怪你的
116I will quite happily blame our Chief of Staff,我很乐意怪罪我们的参谋长
117Mr. Aaron Dellecky.亚伦・戴勒基先生
118It's not me, sadly, but still we all.可惜不是我,但还是我们
119So, what we're trying to say here所以,我们想说的是
120is that the gap between the views of the people人民观点之间的差距
121and the views of the MPs has never been starker.议员们的观点从未如此强烈。
122Boris Johnson became Prime Minister on his stated policy鲍里斯·约翰逊因公开政策成为总理
123of low migration after Brexit.Brexit之后的低移民人数。
124Alas, he caused the single biggest wave of immigration唉,他造成了最大的移民潮
125in our nation's history.我们国家的历史。
126Parties promised investment,缔约方承诺投资,
127but when elected, claim austerity.但当选后,要求紧缩。
128They promised change, but deliver the exact same programme他们答应了改变,但执行同样的计划
129as their predecessors with a funky new tie.作为他们的前辈 带着一丝不苟的新领带。
130The entire British political establishment整个英国政治体制
131thinks that they are above the people以为他们高于人民
132who gave them legitimacy.他们给了他们合法性。
133And it's no wonder that we can see in the polls也难怪我们在民调中能看到
134a stark difference between reform and the old guard.改革与老后卫的鲜明区别
135If we look at the MPs from any other party,如果我们看看其他党派的议员
136they are careerists who are parachuting into safe seats,他们是职业的,是空投在安全座位上的,
137they are tight-lipped, they are media trained,他们被紧扣, 他们受过媒体训练,
138they know what to say, and when.他们知道该说什么 什么时候
139Voice of information, and I'm sure a reform MP信息之声,我敢肯定,改革议员
140would never defect for career-oriented reasons.绝不会因为职业原因叛逃
141Look behind you.看着你身后
142As a former member of the Conservative Party,作为保守党的前党员,
143I can't confirm or deny these allegations.我无法确认或否认这些指控。
144Still, often the reform MPs are not tight-lipped,然而,改革的议员们往往没有紧紧地抓住,
145not media trained, but that's no bad thing.不是媒体训练的 但这不是坏事
146The British people deserve people who represent them.英国人民应该得到代表他们的人。
147They deserve people who represent their views,他们值得代表自己观点的人
148they deserve plumbers, they deserve farmers,他们应该得到水管工, 他们应该得到农民,
149they deserve people who relate to them他们应该有与他们相关的人
150and have been through the struggle并经历了斗争
151of what it's like to live in modern Britain.在现代英国生活的感觉
152By the way, are Richard Tyson and Nigel Farage顺便说一句 理查德·泰森和奈杰尔·法拉吉
153being multi-millionaires,百万富翁,
154representative of the ordinary person in this room?这房间里的普通人代表?
155Dare I raise?我敢加薪吗?
156The House of Commons has 650 members.下议院共有650名议员.
157And surely, given the next government,当然,鉴于下届政府
158at least 649 will be reformed.至少649人将进行改革。
159I'm sure that they'll be quite easily outweighed我敢肯定,它们很容易被超过
160by the majority.多数人。
161It's clear then that when I say reform is fit to govern,很明显 当我说改革适合治理时
162I could just as well be saying我也可以说
163that the British people are fit to govern.英国人民可以管理
164The British people are fit to choose their own destiny.英国人民适合选择自己的命运.
165After decades of managed decline,经过数十年的管理下衰退,
166courtesy of stuffy quangos, dodgy advisors敬请贵宾,多吉顾问
167and career-risk snobs, only the hardworking, smart和事业风险的势利, 只有勤奋,聪明
168and honest British people can restore Britain和诚实的英国人 可以恢复英国
169or to put it a different way.或者用另一种方式
170No, no, no.不,不,没有。
171Very different way.非常不一样的方式。
172Things only can get better.事情只会好起来
173Thank you.谢谢
174Thank you for that speech, Benedict.谢谢你的演讲 本尼迪克特
175I now look to the opening case我现在看开场白
176on Opposition, our very own Librarian,我们的图书馆员,
177(原始内容存档于2018-03-27). Prajwal Pandey.
178I yield my chair to the Ex-Elector我把我的椅子交给前选手
179from the Standing Committee,常设委员会主席
180University College.大学学院.
181Order.肃静
182Insult and denigration.辱毁辱辱.
183Insult and denigration to the intelligence of the侮辱和诋毁
184common man.寻常人.
185That is what the proposition has shapefully already tried to do这就是这个提议 已经做了
186tonight and we will not stand for it.今晚,我们不会支持它。
187However, let us begin fairly.然而,让我们公平地开始。
188Reform has改革
189not emerged because Britain is perfectly governed.不是因为英国被完全统治而出现
190It has emerged because many它的出现是因为许多
191people feel ignored, overtaxed, culturally disrespected and badly served人们感到被忽略,过度征税,文化上不尊重,服务差
192by the state.由州内.
193They look at Westminster and see a political class that is very他们看着威斯敏斯特,看到一个政治阶级 非常
194good at explaining failure but very bad at preventing it.擅长解释失败,但非常糟糕的防止失败。
195So the opposition should所以反对派应该
196not sneer at reform voters.而不是嘲笑改革选民。
197They are not extremists.他们不是极端分子。
198They are simply exhausted.他们只是精疲力竭。
199But there is a difference between understanding why people are angry and但理解人们为什么生气和
200believing that the angriest party should run the country.认为最愤怒的政党应该管理国家.
201That is a central这是一个中心
202mistake of this motion.错误的这个动议。
203It confuses the ability to diagnose national frustration这混淆了判断国家挫折感的能力
204with the ability to govern a complex state.有能力治理一个复杂的国家。
205Declined.堕落.
206And in a moment, but一会儿,但是
207before I make the opposition case, it falls upon me to introduce our esteemed在我提出反对之前 我有责任介绍我们尊敬的
208proposition speakers for tonight.今晚的演讲人
209We have just heard from the Union's wonderful我们刚刚从联盟的精彩消息
210director of press Benedict Masters.新闻总监本尼迪克特·马斯特斯。
211Ben is a third-year law with French students本是法国学生的三年级法律
212who is supposedly on his year abroad.他的年号应该是在国外。
213As our director of press this term, why don't作为本学期的新闻主管,为什么不
214we look at some of the headlines Ben has allowed under his tenure?我们看看本在任期间允许的一些头条新闻?
215Oxford Union partners with Palestinian group associated with Hamas operative牛津联盟与与哈马斯有联系的巴勒斯坦团体的伙伴
216football.橄榄球。
217Oxford Union's race to the bottom.牛津邦联竞逐底.
218Tommy Robinson debates to go ahead汤米·鲁滨逊的辩论开始
219and my personal favorite, Oxford Union president selects ousted for faking我个人最喜欢的,牛津大学联盟主席 选择被淘汰的假冒
220boats.船来了
221The Union has appeared more in the telegraph than Trump has appeared in the联盟在电报中出现得更多 比特朗普在电报中出现得更多
222Epstein files.爱泼斯坦档案.
223Great work Ben.伟大的工作本。
224I cannot wait for next week.我不能等到下周。
225Up next is Andrew下一个是安德鲁
226Rosendell, reform MP for Romford.罗森戴尔,为隆福改革议员.
227Andrew was a Tory party member from the age of安德鲁从小就是托里党员
22814 until he defected over the Chez Gosse Islands.14日直到他叛逃到切兹高塞群岛.
229After defecting, he got locked out叛逃后,他被锁在外面
230of his own constituency office, which is still owned by the local conservative他自己的选区办公室, 仍然由当地保守派拥有
231association.协会。
232He then sued and lost and had to pay £23,000 in legal fees.他随后起诉并败诉,不得不支付23 000英镑的法律费用。
233I一、导 言
234simply can't see how he's arguing that reform is fit for office when he can't根本看不出来他怎么认为 改革适合当他做不到的时候
235get into, can't even get him into his own.进入,甚至不能让他进入自己的。
236Then we have Gwen Tyler.然后我们有格温・泰勒。
237When reform当改革
238entered a period of civil war where one of their most popular figures abandoned进入内战时期 他们最受欢迎的人物之一抛弃了
239them and Elon Musk clowned on Farage on Twitter, Gwen called it suboptimal.他们和伊隆·穆斯克在推特上在法拉吉上小丑,格温称之为次优.
240If若为
241that's Gwen's suboptimal, I can't wait to see what a bad day at the office looks这是格温的次优 我迫不及待地想看看 办公室的糟糕日子
242like.喜欢。
243Trust me, I've seen that.相信我,我见过
244In the penultimate spot we have Matt Goodwin,在倒数第二处 我们得到了马特·古德温,
245a world-renowned author and M dash connoisseur.一个世界知名的作者和M破碎的学问
246If you don't know what I'm如果你不知道我是谁
247talking about, Matt recently came under fire for supposedly using AI to writeMatt最近因为据称利用AI写作而遭到枪击
248his new book, an allegation Matt has unequivocally denied.他的新书, Matt明确否认的指控。
249In fairness to为了公平
250Matt, when he incorrectly predicted that Labour wouldn't get at least 38% of the马特,当他错误地预言 工党不会得到至少38%
251votes in 2017, he followed through on his promise to eat a book by snacking on a在2017年的投票中,他遵守了自己的承诺 吃一本书,在一家
252from his own.从他自己。
253Speaking of not reaching 38% of the votes, how did you find your说到没有达到38%的选票, 你是怎么找到你的
254trip up to Gorton and Denton?去葛顿和丹顿?
255Hopefully you'll find further success here tonight.希望你今晚能在这里找到进一步的成功
256Last but not least, we have a fellow Essex man, Councillor Jamie McIvor.最后但并非最不重要的是 我们有一个埃塞克斯的同伴 杰米·麦克弗议员
257Jamie洁蜜
258is about as Essex as it gets.和埃塞克斯一样
259He's got slicked back to hair, the perfect white他的头发又滑了 完美的白色
260teeth, the turtleneck and blazer combo.牙齿,乌龟和毛巾组合。
261He campaigned on a platform of他在一个平台上宣传
262tax being too high and then voted to raise it upon taking office.税收太高,然后在上任时投票提高税率。
263As another作为另一个
264filmatory, it's a little ironic to see him complaining about immigration when电影院,看到他抱怨移民有点讽刺
265Reform HQ can only be described as a refugee camp for failed conservatives.改革总部只能被称为失败的保守派的难民营.
266Madam President, these are your speakers and they are most welcome.主席女士,这是你的发言者,非常欢迎。
267Now back to the substance of my argument.现在回到我的论点的实质。
268Reform may be fit to protest, it may be改革也许适合抗议,也许
269fit to fight conservative MPs into suddenly remembering where their与保守派议员争斗 突然想起他们
270constituencies are.选区是。
271But that is not the same as being fit to govern.但是,这与适合治理不同。
272A party fit派对合适
273to govern must pass three tests.统治者必须通过三个测试。
274It must have the people, the programme and the它必须拥有人民, 方案和
275temperament for power.温柔的力量。
276Reform fails all three.三者改革都失败了。
277First, the people.先是众生.
278If Reform wants如果改革想要
279to govern, Nigel Farage does not need just a good television performance.奈杰尔·法拉吉并不需要良好的电视表演
280He
281needs hundreds of serious MPs, credible ministers and disciplined councillors,需要数百名严肃的议员、可信的部长和纪律严明的议员,
282competent advisors and candidates who can survive more than 10 minutes of10分钟以上的合格顾问和候选人
283public scrutiny.公众监督。
284However, Reform has already shown us what happens when its然而,改革已经向我们表明,当改革结束之时,改革将会发生什么。
285operatives stand tested at a smaller scale.行动人员接受的测试规模较小。
286Look at the local council看看地方议会
287controversies.争议。
288Look at the candidate scandals.看候选人丑闻.
289Look at the constant need to看着不断的需要
290suspend, distance, clarify, deny, explain and pretend the latest embarrassing暂停 距离 澄清 否认 解释 假装最近的尴尬
291and somehow an isolated incident.不知何故是一个孤立的事件。
292In October of last year, four Reform去年十月,四次改革
293councillors were suspended after a video was leaked showing the leader of the议员们在录像泄露后被停职,
294party's flagship authority, Kent County Council, telling Backwetch members to党的旗舰权威,肯特县议会,告诉Backwetch成员
295effing suck it up.吸起来。
296And they should have done.他们应该做的。
297Very well.不错
298When they dared to当他们敢
299question her decisions, Kent was won with 57 of 81 seats, overturning a 30-year肯特在81个席位中赢得了57个 推翻了30年
300majority, and was held by the party as a showcase of its ability to govern.并且被党视为其治理能力的展示。
301The showcase lasted approximately three months before it descended into a very展览持续了大约3个月 才发展到非常
302public screaming match.公众尖叫匹配。
303And that was before the 2026 local elections had在2026年地方选举之前
304even taken place.甚至发生了。
305Within days of those elections, at least four newly elected在这些选举的几天内,至少有4名新当选者
306Reform UK councillors had already been suspended, expelled or resigned their联合王国议员已经被停职、开除或辞职。
307seats, with one elected to Sheffield City Council describing himself as an谢菲尔德市议会的1名议员将自己描述为
308ethno-nationalist and another in Bolton who had previously been expelled from民族民族主义者和博尔顿的另一位先前被驱逐出
309the Conservatives over allegations of racism.保守派对种族主义的指控。
310If a party cannot reliably如果一方当事人不能可靠
311control the quality of its candidates before an election, why should we trust在选举前控制候选人的质量,我们为什么要相信
312it to appoint ministers after one?然后任命一位部长?
313If this is what happens when the stakes are如果赌注是这个结果
314council seats, what happens when the stakes are the Home Office, the Treasury,议会席位,当利害关系是内政部,财政部,
315national security or foreign policy?国家安全还是外交政策?
316Second, the programme.第二,方案。
317Reform's great改革是伟大的
318political talent is simplicity.政治才能很简单。
319It takes complicated national problems and它需要复杂的国家问题和
320compresses them into slogans short enough to fit on a leaflet or loud enough把它们压缩成短到足以装在传单上的标语 或足够大声
321to survive a television panel.在电视上幸存下来
322Cut immigration, cut taxes, cut waste, take减少移民,减少税收,减少浪费,采取
323back control, fix Britain, wonderful.控制控制,修复英国,太棒了。
324Who could possibly object?谁可以反对?
325I too am against我也反对
326waste.浪费
327I'm also against bad weather and printer jams, but I do not claim that我也反对坏天气和打印机堵塞 但我不声称
328qualifies me to run the Treasury.我有资格管理国库
329Let us take Reform's 2024 manifesto.让我们采取改革的2024年宣言。
330The那个
331Institute for Fiscal Studies found that Reform proposed tax cuts it estimated财政研究所发现,改革建议削减其估计的税收。
332would cost nearly £90 billion per year and spending increases of a further £50每年将花费近900亿英镑,开支将增加50英镑。
333billion per year, claiming it would pay for these through £150 billion per year年薪为1 500亿英镑
334of reductions in other spending.减少其他开支。
335The IFS concluded that the spending reductions综合筹资战略的结论是削减开支
336would save less than stated and the tax cuts would cost more than stated by减税费用将超过
337margin of tens of billions of pounds per year.年产数百亿磅
338To fund it all, Reform said it为了资助这一切,改革说
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340The Institute of Fiscal Government, whose own analysis财政政府研究所,其本身的分析
341Reform cited in justifying these savings, publicly stated that the party had在说明这些节余的理由时引用的改革公开指出,该党
342misrepresented its findings and had failed to acknowledge that most of the其调查结果被歪曲,而且未能承认,
343investment in question comes from the private sector.有关投资来自私营部门。
344In other words, Reform's换句话说,改革
345flagship fiscal plan rested on numbers its own sources cited were wrong.旗舰财政计划依靠的是它自己引用的数据是错误的。
346This is这是
347not a programme for government.不是政府计划
348It is a wish list dressed up in a spreadsheet.这是一张装在电子表格中的许愿表。
349Third, temperament.三,脾气问题.
350A party fit to govern must respect institutions, not merely适合治理的一方必须尊重体制,而不仅仅是
351exploit distrust in them.利用他们的不信任。
352Reform's entire political energy comes from a story of改革的整个政治能量来自一个故事:
353betrayal.背叛。
354The people betrayed by elites, the nation betrayed by politicians,被精英出卖的人民 被政客出卖的国家
355democracy betrayed by judges, bureaucrats, civil servants, journalists, migrants,被法官、官僚、公务员、记者、移民、
356experts and whoever else is useful by Thursday.专家和其他有用的人 星期四之前
357Some of that anger has roots有些愤怒是有根的
358in reality.在现实中。
359Institutions have failed.机构失败了。
360Governments have broken promises.各国政府违背了承诺。
361Voters选民
362have been patronised.已经得到了赞助。
363But there is a difference between reforming institutions但改革体制是有区别的
364and undermining them.和破坏他们。
365A serious reformer says, this institution is failing so we一个严肃的改革者说 这个机构正在失败 所以我们
366work to make it better.努力让它更好。
367A demagogue says, this institution disagrees with me so it一个恶棍说 这个机构不同意我
368is an enemy of the people.是人民的敌人
369That is the danger.这就是危险所在。
370We have seen elsewhere what我们在别的地方见过什么
371happens when politics becomes a permanent war against every independent check on当政治变成对每一个独立检查的永久战争时
372power.权力。
373Courts become obstacles.法院成为障碍。
374Journalists become traitors.记者成了叛徒。
375Civil servants become公务员成为
376saboteurs.破坏者.
377Opponents become enemies.反对者成为敌人.
378Elections are respected only when they只有在选举得到尊重时,选举才能得到尊重
379are won and that is exactly why this motion must fall.这恰恰是这个动议必须失败的原因。
380The need for reform is改革的必要性是:
381too serious to be entrusted by reform because reform offers the politics of改革过于严肃,不能由改革委托,因为改革提供了政治
382the shortcuts.捷径。
383Simple enemies, simple answers, simple slogans.简单的敌人,简单的答案,简单的口号.
384But prison's但监狱
385problems are not simple and the people who suffer from them deserve better than问题并不简单,受难者应该比
386emotional satisfaction.情感满足
387They deserve competence.他们应该有能力。
388They deserve a moment, a他们值得一分钟,一个
389dimension and show depth that can mobilise and build trust, that can维度并显示可调动和建立信任的深度
390challenge institutions and prove it would strengthen them.挑战机构,并证明这将加强这些机构。
391Reform has done改革已经完成
392none of these things.没有这些东西。
393It has pointed at the ruins and called that leadership.它指向废墟并称其为领导者。
394It这个
395has turned grievance into theatre and mistaken noise for readiness.已经把怨愤变成戏剧 和错误的噪音准备。
396So when the所以当
397proposition tells you reform is popular, remember, popularity is a measure of命题告诉你改革很受欢迎 记住 受欢迎是衡量
398not fitness for office.不适合上办公室
399When they tell you reform speaks for the ignored,当他们说改革代表被忽略的人
400remember, representation is not readiness.记住,代表身份没有准备好。
401When they tell you reform would shake up当他们说你改革会动摇
402the system, remember, you can shake a broken machine.系统,记住,你可以摇动一个坏了的机器。
403That does not mean you这并不意味着你
404know how to repair it.知道怎么修理它吗?
405And when they tell you Nigel Farad has changed Britain当他们说奈杰尔·法拉德改变了英国时
406before, remember, changing history is not the same as governing wisely after it.之前,记住,改变历史 不同于明智地治理之后。
407Reform has earned the right to be heard.改革赢得了发表意见的权利。
408It has not earned the right to govern.它没有获得治理权。
409On打开
410people, programme and temperament, it falls short at every turn.人,节目和脾气, 每转弯都不足。
411I urge you all我敦促你们大家
412to oppose this motion.以反对这项动议。
413Thank you.谢谢
414Thank you for that speech, Padwal.谢谢你的演讲,帕德瓦尔。
415I now look我现在看
416to the second speaker on proposition, Andrew Rosendell, Reform MP for Romford.给第二位提案发言人 安德鲁·罗森戴尔 隆福改革议员
417Madame President, honourable members, ladies and gentlemen, what does it mean总统女士 尊敬的议员们 女士们先生们 这是什么意思
418to be fit to govern?适合治理吗?
419In my view, it means three things.以我观是三义.
420Firstly, the ability to take difficult首先,困难的能力
421decisions in the national interest.符合国家利益的决定。
422Secondly, the ability to explain those decisions honestly第二,能够诚实地解释这些决定
423to the public.告大众曰.
424And thirdly, and most importantly, the ability to actually carry them out.第三,最重要的是, 真正执行它们的能力。
425上周弗罗斯特勋爵 引用了Alexis de Tocqueville的话
426which goes as follows.具体如下:
427The central administration was all powerful in appearance,中央行政在外表上都是强大的
428but when one looked closely, everything demonstrated its impotence.但当人们仔细观察时, 一切都显示出它的无力。
429To achieve实现
430anything, to carry out the least regulation, took the concurrence of a thousand wills,无论什么,为了执行最小的管理, 同意一千个遗嘱,
431which it could neither compel nor persuade.既不能强迫,也不能劝导。
432The state wished to do everything国家想尽一切办法
433and could accomplish almost nothing.几乎一无所获
434Sounds familiar, doesn't it?听起来很熟悉,不是吗?
435This is the description这是描述
436of pre-revolutionary France, but it could quite easily be, Madame President,革命前的法国, 但很容易,总统夫人,
437a description translated to 21st century Britain.一个描述翻译为21世纪的英国。
438Here lies the central problem.中心问题就在这里。
439Before us tonight, under Britain's present political system, I ask this House, can anyone今晚在我们面前,在英国现在的政治制度下, 我问这个议院,任何人都可以
440truly govern?真正的统治?
441I would argue that Reform UK is the only party really fit to govern because it英国改革党是唯一真正适合执政的政党,
442actually understands what has gone wrong with the governance of this country itself.事实上,我们明白这个国家的治理出了什么问题。
443In this country,在这个国家
444we do not have a system of separated powers, despite Tony Blair's attempts to the contrary.尽管托尼·布莱尔的企图相反,我们没有分离的权力体系.
445Our political settlement and our constitution rest upon the foundational principles of parliamentary我们的政治解决和宪法以议会的基本原则为基础
446sovereignty.主权。
447Power in Britain is, in theory, legitimate because it flows through Parliament英国的权力在理论上是合法的,因为它流经议会
448as its manifestation of the democratic expression of the British people and作为英国人民民主表达方式的体现
449the British nation, the King in Parliament.英国国家,议会的国王。
450Yet, over the last 30 years, power has migrated然而,在过去的30年里, 电力已经迁移
451from Parliament and into the hands of institutions which are either barely accountable从议会到那些几乎不负责任的机构
452or not accountable at all.或者根本不负责
453Even on Conservative estimates, hundreds upon hundreds of quangos即使是保守估计,几百吨
454now sit between the voter and the decisions that affect their, our lives.现在坐在选民和决定之间 影响他们,我们的生活。
455Bodies such as the机构,例如:
456Climate Change Committee, Ofgem, the Environment Agency, the Food Standards Agency and goodness气候变化委员会、Ofgem、环境局、粮食标准局和善良
457knows however many others there are.不论有多少人,
458Countless regulators now exercise an enormous hold over无数的监管者现在 行使巨大的牵制
459our national policy, while remaining insulated from democratic accountability.我们的国策,同时远离民主问责制。
460I give way.我让路。
461I object to the fact that no longer are these outside agencies or quangos accountable directly我反对这些外部机构 或quangos不再直接负责的事实
462to elected Ministers and Members of Parliament.当选部长和议员。
463We need to go back to the idea that the people我们需要回到人们的想法
464you elect are the people that make decisions and actually govern our country.你们选举的是那些 作出决定和真正统治我们国家的人
465According to the根据
466Taxpayers Alliance in 2025, they are responsible for almost one third of government spending2025年纳税人联盟,他们负责政府支出的近三分之一
467and collectively employ close to half a million people, a workforce larger than the population* 集体雇用近50万人,劳动力比人口多;
468of some major British cities.英国的一些大城市。
469Likewise, how can the British Parliament be sovereign in any real同样,英国议会如何真正拥有主权?
470sense if legislation passed by elected representatives can be frustrated or effectively认为民选代表通过的立法可能受挫或有效
471rewritten through the judicial interpretation of the Blair right monstrosity which is the Supreme通过对布莱尔右派的 司法解释改写了 最高
472Court.宫廷。
473In addition, through the Human Rights Act, we have seen sweeping reach of the European此外,通过《人权法》,我们目睹了欧洲人权的普及。
474Convention on Human Rights into domestic law, an instrument which in the words of Lord Sumption《人权公约》纳入国内法,用Sumption勋爵的话来说,这项文书
475has made a claim to legislative powers without boundaries and is therefore contrary to the rule已无边界地要求立法权,因此违反了该规则。
476of law and fundamentally undemocratic.法律 和根本的不民主。
477We see in the civil service that Ministers arrive in office我们在公务员队伍中看到,部长已经到任
478with a democratic mandate, only to discover that much of the machinery beneath them is具有民主授权,只是发现其下的大部分机制
479culturally resistant, procedurally obstructive and structurally independent of political direction.文化抵制、程序阻碍和结构上独立于政治方向。
480The consequences are that Ministers lack meaningful control over their own departments,后果是,部长们对自己的部门缺乏有意义的控制,
481MPs lack any meaningful influence over law and policy and consequently voters feel totally ignored.议员对法律和政策缺乏任何有意义的影响,因此选民感到完全被忽视。
482Madam President, this is where reform enters the picture.主席女士,改革就是在这里进行的。
483I spent seven elections from 2001 onwards从2001年起我花了7次选举
484telling my constituencies in the great Essex town of Romford that the Conservative party would not告诉大埃塞克斯镇的选民 保守党不会
485ignore them and that my trust was with the Conservative leadership to be able to put into我信任保守党领导,希望他们能够
486action the promises that they told the electorate time and time again they would fulfil.行动起来,他们一再告诉选民,他们将履行诺言。
487But every但每个
488a Conservative government would do the opposite, whether out of their own political will保守派政府会做相反的事情,不管他们是出于自己的政治意志
489or because of the structure of government is such where those with an agenda are blocked或因为政府结构,有议程的人被封锁
490from doing anything meaningful.从做任何有意义的事情。
491It is for this reason that democratic alienation has become one正是由于这个原因,民主疏远变成了一种
492of the most defining political conditions of modern Britain.现代英国最明确的政治条件
493Brexit was supposed to address this.布莱克西特本该处理的
494Millions voted to restore democratic control, to reassert the principle that laws governing Britain数百万人投票支持恢复民主控制,重申管理英国的法律原则
495should be made by those accountable to the British people, yet that process has barely begun.应该由那些对英国人民负责的人来决定,但这一进程却刚刚开始。
496In many respects it has been made worse.在许多方面,情况更加恶化。
497Power has not returned to the public, it has simply been权力并没有恢复到公众,只是
498redistributed amongst regulators, permanent secretaries, courts, so-called experts,在监管者、常务秘书、法院、所谓的专家中重新分配,
499administrative bodies who are all beyond democratic reach.行政机构都离不开民主。
500The one thing the Labour party has done is get rid of NHS England, which is a good thing,工党所做的一件事 就是摆脱NHS英格兰 这是件好事
501which is a good thing.这是好事
502But in reality, sir, I would say to you this, people vote for members但实际上,先生,我要告诉你, 人们投票给会员
503of parliament to form a government, to form a government to make decisions.议会组成政府,政府决策。
504That power has这种力量
505been diminished by successive governments, both Labour, Conservative and coalition.被历届政府,包括劳工、保守党和联盟削弱。
506It's time to是时候了
507restore power back to those that people elect and that is what reform will do when in government将权力恢复到人民选举的手中,这是改革在政府执政时将采取的行动
508and when Nigel Farage becomes our next Prime Minister.当奈杰尔·法拉吉成为我们的下一任总理时
509So the Labour party built this system.于是工党建立了这个制度.
510The Conservative party, especially those who proudly describe themselves as heirs to Blair,保守党,特别是那些骄傲地自称为布莱尔继承人的人,
511preserved and expanded that.保存和扩展了它。
512The Liberal Democrats and the SNP would take this transfer of authority自由民主党和新人民党会接受权力移交
513even further by rejoining the European Union and the Greens.更进一步,加入欧盟和绿党。
514They're arguing for so-called他们主张所谓的
515citizens' assemblies.公民集会。
516I must confess, I'm not entirely sure what they think the House of Commons我必须承认,我并不完全确定下议院的看法
517is, if not that.如果不是那样的话
518And so, Madam President, Reform UK is different because we are in no way interested因此,主席女士,改革英国是不同的,因为我们根本不感兴趣
519or invested in defending the current model.或投资捍卫目前的模式。
520We stand alone in asking the more fundamental question我们独自面对一个更根本的问题
521of how we make Britain governable again.我们如何让英国再次治理。
522我的同事Danny Kruger是改革派来的
523UK with a very brief or preparing us for government.一个非常简短的英国,或者为我们的政府做准备。
524We have proposed to abolish the Cabinet Office我们建议取消内阁办公室
525and replace it with a directly accountable office of the Prime Minister.代之以直接负责的总理办公室。
526We have proposed我们提议
527to restore authority to departmental ministers rather than diffuse it through to permanent* 恢复各省部长的权力,而不是将其下放给常设部长
528secretaries.秘书
529And we intend on fundamentally reforming and overhauling the civil service我们打算从根本上改革和整顿公务员制度
530so that it is once again serves the elected governments rather than developing priorities因此,它再次为民选政府服务,而不是制定优先事项。
531of his own.是他自己来的
532All of these reforms stem from the principle that if a decision affects the British所有这些改革都源于这样的原则,即如果一项决定影响到英国人,那么,就应当将所有改革都纳入其中。
533people, it should be traceable to the elected representatives who are answerable at the ballot人民,应该能够追踪到在投票中负责的当选代表。
534box.页:1
535We will not end there.我们不会在那里结束。
536In the spirit of 1660, I believe we need a great repeal act to tear本着1660年的精神,我认为我们需要 一个伟大的废除行动来撕裂
537out the damage done by the constitution by Tony Blair and others to restore the principle清除宪法对托尼·布莱尔和其他人 恢复原则造成的损害
538that this country is governed by those you we elect and answerable to the British people.这个国家由我们选举的人管理 并对英国人民负责
539Now, reform is not flawless.现在,改革并非完美无缺。
540No political party is and no political party ever will be.没有政党,也没有政党。
541The question is, Madam President, is whether Britain can continue to be governed through a问题是,主席女士,英国能否继续通过
542system in which power is dispersed to those we cannot see.将权力分散到我们看不见的人身上
543And importantly, no one can vote重要的是,没有人可以投票
544out of office, resulting in a total decline in public trust to our democracy.导致公众对我国民主的信任彻底下降。
545If being如果是
546fit to govern means restoring parliamentary sovereignty, restoring ministerial executive治理意味着恢复议会主权,恢复部长行政
547power and restoring the voice of the British people, then Reform UK is fit to govern precisely英国改革后就能够准确治理
548because it recognizes that Britain in its current constitutional condition is barely因为它承认英国目前的宪法状况
549governable at all.完全可以管理。
550It is indeed broken.它确实被打破了。
551Ladies and gentlemen, honorable members,女士们,先生们,尊敬的会员们,
552if we wish to rescue this country, if we wish to put democracy back in the heart of the governance如果我们想拯救这个国家 如果我们想把民主 重新置于治理的核心
553of the United Kingdom, the only government, the only government that can do that is a Reform UK英国政府,唯一的政府 唯一能做的政府是改革英国
554government led by the honorable member for Clacton.政府领导 荣誉成员为克拉顿。
555I yield the chair to the treasurer-elect,我把椅子交给当选的司库
556I yield the chair to the chief of staff, Charlotte Wall.我把椅子交给参谋长夏洛特·沃尔
557Thank you for that speech.谢谢你的演讲
558I now look to我现在期待
559the second speaker on opposition, the honorable Josh Babarinde, Liberal Democrat MP for Eastburn.反对党的第二位发言人 尊敬的乔什·巴巴林德 自由民主党议员 伊斯特本
560Thank you, Madam President.谢谢你,主席女士。
561Lovely people.可爱的人。
562What an honor it is to be invited here.被邀请来这里真是荣幸
563Reform talk改革论
564about how they are good at listening, but clearly they're not very good at listening to the bell.但显然他们不太擅长听铃声
565Sitting through that diatribe that does not prove anything in favor of this motion坐在那个没有证明支持这个动议的三角帆上
566and summarizes exactly why they are unfit to govern.并准确地总结了为什么他们不适合治理。
567This proposition would have you believe这个提议会让你相信
568that Reform has achieved a political earthquake, but I would suggest that all they have really改革已经实现了一场政治性地震 但我建议他们所有的
569achieved is a tremor amplified by a right-wing press that mistakes volume for seismic activity.所实现的震颤是由右翼的报刊放大而成,这些报刊对地震活动有误。
570But let's deal with the central claim in the motion that Reform is a plausible contender for但是,让我们处理 中心主张动议 改革是一个可信的竞争者
571power.权力。
572Plausible to whom exactly?究竟是谁?
573The pollsters?民调员?
574Well, maybe.也许吧
575To headline writers?给头条作家?
576Definitely.当然
577But that is about it.但就是这样。
578Reform's entire, I'll take that.改革是完整的,我接受这个。
579And how about the voters in the last two上两个选民怎么样?
580rounds of local elections?几轮地方选举?
581The voters in the last, yeah, the voters in the last rounds of elections最后几轮选举的选民
582have rejected Reform's division in many places across this country.拒绝改革在全国许多地方的分裂。
583Can I ask that you give a我能请你给一个
584point of information once responded to, let the speaker speak, and then give another point of在回答信息时,请发言者发言,然后提出另一个要点:
585information later down the line?稍后的信息吗?
586They have rejected Reform in many places across this country.他们在全国许多地方都反对改革。
587The那个
588vast majority of voters, when you look at the opinion polls, I think Reform are on 30% or so.绝大多数的选民, 当你看民意测验时, 我认为改革在30%左右。
589That is the majority of the country that is rejecting Reform.这是拒绝改革的大多数国家。
590I come back to my point.我回到我的观点。
591Reform's entire political identity is built on never having to make one.改革的整个政治特征是建立在从来就不需要建立起来的基础之上的。
592It's a party that thrives派对很兴旺
593on mugging people of their deepest, darkest fears and weaponizing for the purpose of stirring抢劫最深最深的恐惧 和武器化的目的
594division with a view to gaining political power without any intention of delivering it effectively以获得政治权力,而无意有效地实现
595for our communities.我们的社区。
596Now, the Honourable Speaker, Mr. Rosendale, spoke of how Reform are very good现在,尊敬的议长罗森代尔先生谈到改革是多么的好。
597at listening and very good at understanding.倾听和善解人意。
598Well, I would posit that the crazy cat lady我会假设那个疯猫女
599in The Simpsons understands cats very well, but would I want her as my vet?辛普森一家很了解猫 但我会希望她成为我的兽医吗?
600Is she fit她合适吗?
601to be my cat's vet?成为我的猫的兽医?
602Absolutely not.绝对不是。
603In terms of Reform's political programme,在改革的政治纲领方面,
604what we have seen is a series of numbers conjured up on the back of a fag packet that collapse a我们所看到的是 一系列数字 积聚在一个同性恋包的背面 崩溃a
605moment.等会儿
606A year six SAT student starts crunching through those numbers.一年六年级的SAT学生 开始挤压这些数字。
607They've said they'll他们说,他们会
608vast savings from abolishing this and defunding that.大量节省 从取消这个和取消资金。
609Where?哪里? 哪里来的?
610How?怎么会?
611And audited by whom?被谁审计?
612Well,那个
613the honest answer is audited by vibes.诚实的答案是用气氛来评价的。
614And here's the thing about vibes is vibes don't build和这里的关于 气息是 气息不建立
615hospitals.医院。
616Vibes don't build houses.毗卢遮那不造舍.
617And vibes don't fight wars.而气息不战.
618And look at their own record看看他们自己的记录
619where they've actually held power, county councils up and down the country.在他们实际掌权的地方, 县议会上下。
620What have we seen?我们看到了什么?
621Resignations, defections and internal fights that would make WWE look like a meditation retreat.辞职,叛逃和内部争斗,会让WWE看起来像冥想退场.
622If a party cannot manage a council chamber without it turning into the Hunger Games,如果一个政党不能管理一个议会会议厅而不让它变成饥饿运动会,
623what confidence could we have that they could manage the nuclear codes?我们能相信他们能管理核密码吗?
624The proposers may提案人可以
625bob you off by telling you that this is just teething trouble, the normal growing pains of a告诉你这只是牙齿上的麻烦 正常的生长疼痛
626young party.年轻的派对。
627But Reform is not young.但改革并不年轻。
628It's the Brexit party with a new coat of paint,这是布雷克西特派对 涂了新的涂料
629是Nigel Farage的涂装 还有许多
630paint.颜料
631This is not a movement in its infancy.这不是一个运动 在其初始。
632It's a movement that has had been generous这是一个很慷慨的运动
633a decade to generate an actual policy platform and has instead spent that decade developing建立实际政策平台的十年,而是花了十年时间来发展
634grievances, which is a different skill entirely.这完全是一种不同的技巧。
635But we do know something that Reform are passionate但我们知道改革是充满激情的
636about.有关。
637Injustice, so says Zia Youssef.不公平 齐亚·尤瑟夫也是
638Mr. Youssef recently took to social media to declareYoussef先生最近去社交媒体宣布
639that politicians responsible for what he called the burning injustice of modern Britain are政治人物要为他所称的 现代英国的不公负责
640traitors to their country.叛国归国.
641And this begs the obvious question.这引起了一个明显的问题。
642Who exactly is he talking about?他到底在说谁?
643Is it the former Conservative Home Secretary, Suella Braverman, now a Reform MP, who before是前保守党内政大臣 Suella Braverman 现为改革党议员吗?
644overseeing a surge in immigration admitted that she could not get the pride flag removed from the监督移民潮 承认她不能从
645of her own Whitehall building?她自己的白厅大楼?
646And happy pride month, one and all.和快乐的骄傲月, 一,所有。
647Was Mr. Youssef talking about尤瑟夫先生说的是
648the former Culture Secretary, now Reform politician Nadine Doris, who is now actively前任文化秘书,现在改革政治家 纳丁·多丽丝,他现在积极
649campaigning to scrap the online safety act that she created?宣传废除她创作的网络安全法案?
650Or is it former Housing Secretary还是前住房部长
651Robert Jenrick, now Reform Shadow Chancellor, who didn't find the time to build the housing罗伯特・简里克,现在改革影子总理, 他没有找到时间建造住房
652our country needs, but did find the time to save a party donor £45 million?我们的国家需要,但有没有找到时间 节省一个缔约方捐赠4500万英镑?
653还是James McMordoch 他虐待了她们当选的前女友
654as a Member of Parliament?作为国会议员?
655They claim to talk the talk when it comes to tackling violence against他们声称在打击暴力时会谈论
656women and girls, but they do not walk the walk.妇女和女孩,但他们不走走。
657And that is an utterly serious point.这是一个非常严肃的问题。
658But maybe,但也许
659but maybe Mr. Youssef was talking about Nigel Farage himself, who when Donald Trump demeaned也许Youssef先生在谈论奈杰尔·法拉吉本人 当唐纳德·特朗普贬低他
660the sacrifices of those British troops who died in Afghanistan failed to come down on those comments那些死于阿富汗的英国军队的牺牲 未能根据这些评论
661like a ton of bricks because he was too scared of upsetting his BFF in the White House.像一吨砖块 因为他太害怕在白宫惹恼他的BFF
662A man who一个男人
663{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}他不会宣布这500万英镑的礼物 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}克里斯托弗·哈本
664career on taking back control, but who cannot be honest about who controls him.职业是夺回控制权 但谁不能诚实 谁控制他。
665This is a professional这是专业的
666grifter leading a D tier list of MPs.骗局领导D级议员名单.
667Fitness to oppose is not fitness to govern.适合反对不是适合治理
668And this is a这是
669proposition asks whether reform represents an earthquake.提议询问改革是否代表地震。
670I would say only in the sense that我只会说:
671earthquakes are loud, sudden and leave behind a mess that someone else has got to clear up.地震声大,突然发生,留下了别人必须清理的混乱.
672The someone else historically have been the grown-ups, the people who understand从历史上看,其他人就是成年人,理解的人
673that running a country means turning up on the bad days too and not just doing a victory lap经营一个国家意味着在坏日子也出现 而不是仅仅做一个胜利赛
674on the good ones.在好的这些。
675Our country is better than that.我们的国家是更好的。
676Our country is better than division.我们的国家胜过分裂
677Our country is better than hate.我们的国家胜过仇恨
678Our country is great.我们的国家是伟大的。
679And so I urge this house, please do not所以我敦促这房子,请不要
680mistake the noise of an earthquake for the architecture of a government.把地震的噪音 误认为是政府建筑
681Please oppose this请反对
682motion.移动。
683Can I remind all members that they are voting with their feet, depending on the side我谨提醒所有成员,他们正在用脚投票,这取决于一方。
684of the door that you walk through, that is a vote cast.你走过的那扇门,是投的选票。
685Can I please ask for silence in the House?我可否请求在众议院保持沉默?
686Thank you very much for that speech.非常感谢你的演讲。
687I now look to the third speaker on proposition,我现在要请第三位关于提案的发言者发言,
688Gwaine Towler.格温·托勒.
689Honourable Members, the motion before us asks whether reform is fit to govern.尊敬的会员国,我们面前的动议问改革是否适合治理。
690I rise to say that it is.我站起来是这么说的。
691And I do so, I confess, with the considerable advantage我这样做,我承认, 有相当大的优势
692of looking across the floor at the alternative.看着另一层
693I'm just as bad as a fellow.我和他一样坏
694You can ask me the same question.你也可以问我同样的问题。
695Thank you.谢谢
696Yes, indeed.是的,确实。
697Whatever.随便吧
698Yes, indeed.是的,确实。
699Okay.摆
700For a raid against用来突袭
701me tonight is the most discredited coalition.今晚我是最有名的联盟
702The so-and-ranks of the was and the never shall be.从前的和永远的等级
703To one side, the parties of the past who governed and were found wanting.一方面,过去统治和发现缺乏的政党。
704To the other,对另一个人来说,
705a party of the future that obstinately declines to arrive.未来的一方 顽固地拒绝到达。
706Between them, they possess a great deal他们之间,有许多东西,
707of experience, most of it of failing our country.经验, 大部分是失败我国。
708Take Mr Babarinde, a thoroughly decent man,带巴巴林德先生, 一个完全正直的人,
709an OBE, no less, who has done genuinely good getting young offenders out of crime and into也为帮助年轻罪犯脱离犯罪并进入犯罪领域做出了真正贡献
710work.工作时
711I salute him for it.我为此向他致敬.
712He now enjoys the high honour of presiding over the Liberal Democrats,他现在享有主持自由民主党的崇高荣誉,
713and I salute him for that as well.我也为此向他致敬。
714Much as one salutes a man who volunteers to conduct就像向一个自愿操控的人致敬一样
715the string quartet on the Titanic, for his is the party of Ed Davey, the great statesman of the泰坦尼克号上的弦乐四重奏 因为他是埃德·达维的派对 伟大的政治家
716paddleboard and the bungee rope, whose entire policy programme, as far as the naked eye can划板和弯曲绳子, 其整个政策方案, 只要肉眼可以
717detect, consists of a deep and abiding loathing of three things.探测器,包括三件事的深层和持久的厌恶。
718Donald Trump,唐纳德·特朗普
719Nigel Farage, Nigel Farage, Nigel Farage, Nigel Farage, Nigel Farage, Nigel Farage and the social奈杰尔·法拉奇 奈杰尔·法拉奇 奈杰尔·法拉奇 奈杰尔·法拉奇 奈杰尔·法拉奇与社会
720media giants.媒体巨头。
721On that last point, I do wonder whether Sir Ed has thought it apposite to telephone关于最后一点,我确实想知道,艾德爵士是否认为可以打电话
722Sir Nick Clegg, late of his parish, and latterly of Metta, who made a very handsome fortune indeed尼克·克莱格爵士,他的教区晚期, 和梅塔的后期, 他的财富确实非常英俊
723from precisely the sort of giant his old party now professes to despise.他的旧党人现在 自称轻视他
724Perhaps也许
725the hatred is sincere, perhaps it is merely that the rest of them were never offered a job.仇恨是真诚的,也许仅仅是他们其余的人从未得到过工作。
726Then to Ms Milward, deputy leader of the Green Party and daughter of St Hughes,然后给绿党副领袖、圣休斯的女儿米尔沃德女士
727I so welcome home.我非常欢迎回家。
728Nobody doubts your sincerity or your parties, and there is something admirable没有人怀疑你的诚意 或你的党, 有令人钦佩的东西
729in a movement that means every word it says.在一个运动中,它意味着每一个字。
730Hers is a party with one particular gift.她是一个有特殊天赋的派对
731It can这可以
732announce billions and billionaires and millions and millionaires in any order you please,宣布亿万亿万富翁 百万百万富翁
733at length and with magnificent conviction.以坚定的信念。
734I only wish, and I wish it fondly, that when one puts the我只希望,而且我非常希望,当有人把
735two unglamorous questions, how should we defend this realm and how should we pay for the economy两个不光彩的问题,我们如何捍卫这个王国,如何为经济付出代价?
736that funds for all the kindness, the answer came back with the same confidence.以同样的自信回了答案
737It's a lovely,这是一个可爱的,
738lovely thing to want to put the world right.想要把世界搞正一点
739It's a harder thing and a less applauded one更难受 更难受
740to keep the lights on when you do it.保持灯光 当你这样做。
741And Mr Blackford, I'm generally glad to see a man of布莱克福德先生,我很高兴见到一个
742real presence and courtesy who led his party or party at Westminster with more dignity than the在威斯敏斯特领导他的党或党派的 真正出席和礼遇比
743role usually allows.角色通常允许。
744His is the one party on the bench, well I don't count the last 15 years,他的党是一个在板凳上, 但我不计过去15年,
745but that has actually governed up in Edinburgh, and I shall be a gentleman draw the lightest of但爱丁堡确实如此 我将会成为一位绅士
746over the recent unpleasantness.对于最近的不愉快。
747The £400,000, the £100,000, no to home, that never turned a四十万英镑,十万英镑,不回家,那永远不会变成
748wheel, the salt and pepper grinders deserving more than a term's rent.轮子,盐和胡椒研磨机 值得超过一个期限的租金。
749I mention it only in我只提到在
750passing and with sorrow.以哀伤而逝去。
751My one prayer offered in the friendliest spirit is that whatever the next我以最友好的精神祈祷的是 无论接下来
752election brings, we are spared the sight of them holding the cruets in a Westminster coalition.他们把十字架放在威斯敏斯特的联盟里 我们没有看到
753Sir Desmond, I approach with nothing but affection.德斯蒙德爵士,我接近时只带着感情
754He's a decent man and Parliament does not overflow他是个好人,议会不会放过他
755with him.跟着他
756He's one of the last two characters of that house, a backbencher, a great verve,他是那房子最后两个角色之一 一个后门手 一个伟大的马鞭草
757并说出一个Biblius brio。
758He's quite right.他说得对
759Who has rescued.谁救了。
760I am quite right and you agree with me on that and I doubt you agree with me on我说得对,你同意我的观点 我怀疑你同意我的观点
761the entire motion, but that's very kind.整个运动, 但这是非常好的。
762I note only and I note it steadily that for all the我只注意到,我稳步注意到,对于所有
763splendid noise of his rebellions, when the division bell rings, he could seldom quite bring himself to他的叛逆声响,当师钟响起时, 他很少能够相当地把自己带到
764vote against his own.投票反对他自己的。
765However, richly it deserved it.然而,它非常值得。
766The spirit was willing.灵魂是愿意的。
767The whip was willinger鞭子很强势
768and Labour, well, one can hardly blame them for not being here.工党 很难怪他们不在这里
769They probably haven't been invited,他们可能还没有被邀请,
770but why would you?但你为什么要这么做?
771They are tremendously busy right now.他们现在很忙
772Busy enough this week.这周够忙了
773This very day,就在这一天,
774two defence ministers gone in a day.两位国防部长一天之内就走了
775It's good, isn't it?不错吧?
776This very week, to look at the student这个星期,看学生
777loan settlement, they decided they have frozen it again onto their generation.他们决定他们又把贷款冻结下来了
778The threshold门槛
779pinned in place until 2030 while your wages climb to meet it.2030年前你的工资攀升到顶峰
780Well, they won't.他们不会的
781This is just about这只是关于
782right for them.对他们来说是正确的。
783A party that fights like ferrets in the sack and campaigns with touching dedication一个像雪貂一样在麻袋里打斗的政党 以及充满感人献身精神的运动
784for its own assassin.为自己的刺客。
785We shall let them rest and here, Mr. President, or Mrs. President, sorry,我们将让他们休息,主席先生,或总统夫人,对不起,
786Madam President, is what I call ought to trouble the benches opposite.总统女士,我所说的是 麻烦对面的长凳。
787Even the pollsters have即使是民意测验师
788noticed Luke Trill, an Oxford man and himself no stranger to this room, sits through focus group发现卢克·特里尔是牛津人 他在这个房间里并不陌生
789reports that the vote for reform has quietly ceased to be the role of a dice that it might对改革的投票已经悄悄地不再是它可能起的骰子作用
790once have been.曾经是。
791For more and more ordinary people, weighing up that lot, it has become a safer bet对于越来越多的普通人来说, 承受这些压力, 已经成为一个更安全的赌注
792on the table than those who have come before it.在桌子上,比那些来过它的人。
793The risk has been taken out of voting for reform改革投票的风险已经消除
794because of what has been done to this country by those who have governed it hitherto.因为曾经统治过这个国家的人 对这个国家做了什么
795People人员
796are no longer frightened of voting reform because that's the option.不再害怕投票改革,
797So, fit to govern.所以,适合统治。
798Them?他们?
799Or perhaps us.或许是我们
800But take the question seriously, because it deserves to be so.但认真对待这个问题,因为它应该如此。
801What does it actually mean to be fit to govern?适合治理到底意味着什么?
802It is not, I think, what the manager of mine我认为,这不是我的经理
803supposes.假设。
804It is not a glossy CV, not a safe pair of hands, not a tidy communications grid.它不是一个光滑的CV, 一个安全的双手, 一个干净的通信网。
805Strip
806away the cant and ask the question, the common Englishman and our Scots, our Welsh and our英国人和苏格兰人 我们的威尔士人和我们
807every much as much as it is of ours.和我们的一样多
808The question has always been put plainly to anyone who would这个问题总是向任何人明确提出
809rule him, what is government actually for?统治他,政府到底是为了什么?
810The answer is older than any party in this room,答案比这间屋子里任何一个派对都要老
811older than the union, this union, the union itself.比工会、工会、工会本身都要老。
812It is to defend the realm.它是为了保卫国家
813It is to keep the这是保存
814peace.和平。 和平吗?
815It is to hold the law level over the head of the richest man and the poorest alike.这是把法律置于最富有的人和最贫穷的人的头上。
816And then having done those few hard things well, leave us to our liberty and our property and get然后做了这些艰难的事情, 留下我们的自由 和我们的财产,得到
817out of the way.让开
818That is the whole of it.这就是全部。
819That is the inheritance of the common law, the law that这是普通法的继承,即
820stood here before parliament and would stand here afterward.站在议会面前,然后站在这里。
821The law of William Blackstone,威廉·布莱克斯通的法律
822Oxford's own, looked down out of the air and set in order that every man and woman in these islands牛津的自己,从空中俯视下来,然后让这些岛上的所有男女
823might know their rights.可能知道他们的权利。
824The message against that standard,违背这个标准的信息,
825fitness to government is not a question of experience as you suggested, it is a question适合政府并不是你建议的经验问题,而是问题
826of spine.脊椎骨 脊椎骨 脊椎骨
827And that is precisely where the party's opposite fail and reform does not.而这正是党的相反失败和改革没有的地方.
828Yes.
829No, no, damn it, I'm leaving now, sorry.不,不,该死,我要走了,对不起
830Yes.
831And that is precisely where the party's opposite fail and reform does not.而这正是党的相反失败和改革没有的地方.
832For fitness,为了健身
833properly understood, is the willingness to say what you want and mean it and to bring with you正确理解,就是愿意说出你想说的话 和它的意思,并带给你
834a team ready to put its shoulder to the national wheel and push.准备举起肩部向国家车轮推进
835Yes.
836Do you think that all of你觉得所有
837those conservative MPs who are now reform MPs said what they meant when they wanted to,现在改革议员的保守派议员说他们想做什么,
838when they were conservatives?当他们是保守派?
839I tell you what, when I, 25 years ago when I left the Tory party我告诉你,当我,25年前 当我离开托里党
840and joined, then was UKIP, it felt like this, it felt like you climb up the top of a hill,然后加入,然后是UKIP, 感觉像这样, 它感觉你爬上山顶,
841a mountain, you see this stunning view.一座山,你可以看到这美丽的景色。
842It's a beautiful view.风景优美.
843And then you take your rucksack然后,你带着你的背包
844off.关闭。
845And that's what it was like.就是这样
846The view didn't change, but by gum, I felt better about myself风景没有改变,但口香糖让我感觉好多了
847for it.对于它。
848But anyhow, it is, I go back, the team that is willing to put its shoulder to the wheel但不管怎样,我还是回去了 愿意把肩膀放在车轮上的队伍
849and push.并推进。
850And what a team it is.何等为队.
851Consider for a moment what is actually stepping forward.考虑一下实际进展
852Nearly 1,600 candidates have put themselves forward at the last count.近1 600名候选人在最后的点数中提出了自己的意见。
853Another striking又一个惊人的
854thing about almost every, not all, but almost every one of them is that they have no wish to几乎每个,不是所有, 但几乎每个是 他们不希望
855be politicians at all.做个政客
856They have good lives.他们有美好的生活。
857Yes.
858Is that why so many of your councillors所以你们有这么多议员
859when elected don't go to meetings, don't understand the job?当当选时 不开会, 不明白工作?
860I dispute that.我不同意这一点。
861Hold on.坚持住。
862Let me answer.让我回答
863I dispute that.我不同意这一点。
864But I think that's going to be但我认为这将是
865carried by one of our councillors who's going to be speaking later.由一位议员携带 稍后将发言。
866We'll talk to that point.我们谈谈这个问题。
867Any councillors who went from 57 to 58?有57到58岁的议员吗?
868Point of order.问法句.
869Points of information cannot be back and forth between different speakers.不同发言者之间的信息点不能前后重复。
870I believe it was the sound of the applause that prevented the question from being asked.我认为,正是这种掌声阻止了人们提问。
871But thank谢谢
872you.你们
873As I say, I believe that one of the following speakers will be covering that area.正如我所说的,我认为,以下发言者之一将涉及这一领域。
874But frankly,但坦率地说,
875the fact that the Kent council did have their issues, they did, but have succeeded in saving肯特议会确实有他们的问题,他们确实有,但是成功地拯救了
876over 100 million without reducing services this year is not a bad start.今年在不减少服务的情况下超过1亿不是一个坏的开端。
877And those people who还有那些
878had the chance to vote for councillors in Kent this year, despite all those troubles, continue今年肯特有选举议员的机会 尽管有这么多麻烦 仍然在继续
879to vote for reform.投票支持改革。
880So hey, I'll leave it to the locals.所以,嘿,我把它留给当地人。
881But anyhow, I go back.但无论如何,我回去。
882We have 1,600 people我们有1600人
883who have applied to be candidates for Westminster.他们已经申请成为威斯敏斯特的候选人。
884And I would say that they have good lives.我会说,他们有良好的生活。
885They他们
886have lives that function perfectly well without the abuse, without the hassle, without the ruin没有虐待 没有烦恼 没有毁灭
887of Ealing's Peace and without having to come to a place like this.并不必来到这样的地方。
888They are not careerists.他们不是职业选手。
889They are not on the make.他们不是在制造。
890They have run things and built things and met a payroll.他们管理着东西,建造了东西,并遇到工资单。
891And every每个
892one of them could be doing something far easier and far better with their lives than just standing其中一个可以做一件比站着好得多的事
893for parliament.为了议会。
894So why do they stand?他们为什么站着?
895You remember the answer Mallory gave when they asked him why on你还记得玛洛里问他为什么
896earth he wished to climb Mount Everest?他想登上珠穆朗玛峰?
897Because it is there.因为它就在那里。
898These men and women would put it more这些男人和女人会说得更多
899soberly and more plainly.清醒点,更明白点
900Because it has to be done.因为必须这样做。
901I have no choice.我别无选择。
902I must do this.我必须这样做。
903Because因为
904saving these islands of ours is not a career but a vocation.拯救这些岛屿不是事业而是事业
905And someone in the end must answer it.最后总得有人来回答
906That is the body of people untainted by the Spencer Declinism, unhamstrung by the mouldy这是不受斯宾塞堕落主义束缚的人的身体 不受模具束缚
907little compromise that is eaten into the heart of almost everyone sitting opposite.小妥协 被吞噬 在几乎每个人的心脏 坐在对面。
908To clean去清理
909those orgy and stables takes a good deal more than good intentions.那些狂欢和马厩需要的不只是好意
910It takes purpose, a set这需要目的,一套
911of common beliefs, what Gordon Brown in one of his better moments might have called an irreducible戈登·布朗在他的一个美好时刻 可能称之为不可减少的
912core.核心键。
913Reform has that core.改革是核心。
914The benches across from me mislaid theirs many years ago.我对面的凳子很多年前就弄错了
915That in那个
916the end is the whole of the difference.终是一切差别.
917The parties on the other side of this house have made their这栋房子的另一边的政党已经...
918peace with the decline of this country.和平与这个国家的衰落。
919They administer it.他们管理它。
920They manage it.他们管理它。
921One or two of them,一两个
922I suspect, rather have gone fond of it.我怀疑, 更喜欢它。
923Reform will not and has not.改革不会而且已经没有。
924And the single refusal is而唯一的拒绝是
925worth more than all their experience combined.比他们所有的经验加起来都值钱
926So let me put it as plainly as I can and answer让我说清楚,回答
927honestly.说实话
928Are we perfect?我们完美吗?
929Good Lord, no.天啊,没有。
930Of course we're not.当然不是
931Show me a cohort of men and women who给我看看一群男人和女人
932are perfect in any walk of life.在任何生命的道路上都是完美的。
933But are we fit?但我们合身了吗?
934Fit in ourselves?适合自己吗?
935Fit against the alternative this适合此选项
936house has listened to?房子听了吗?
937I sell we are fit in the body of people as these islands have sent towards我卖我们合身在人们的身体中 正如这些岛屿送来
938in decades.数十年来。
939Set against the serried ranks of that which was and that should never will be,与那过去和将来绝不是的、
940the only answer to this motion is yes.这个动议的唯一答案是肯定的。
941So I beg you to support this motion.我恳求你支持这个动议
942Thank you.谢谢
943Might I remind all members that they are voting with their feet to the side of the door that you请允许我提醒所有成员,他们正在用脚向门边投你一票。
944walk through is a vote cast.路过是投票
945Many thanks for that speech Mr. Taller.非常感谢塔勒先生的演讲。
946I now call upon the third我现在请第三委员会发言。
947speaker on proposition, the right honourable Ian Blackford, former leader of the Scottish National尊敬的伊恩・布莱克福德 前苏格兰国民领袖
948Party.派对
949Thank you madam president, ladies and gentlemen, honourable and right honourable感谢总统女士,女士们,先生们,光荣而光荣
950members.成员。
951I think it is true to say that there is a crisis in our democracy.我认为,可以说我们的民主存在危机。
952If I could put it in this way, a burning platform with the erosion of trust in the appeal of如果我能这么说,一个燃烧的平台 信任的削弱对吸引力
953the mainstream party is a failure of leadership to deliver prosperity to many of our citizens主流党是领导阶层 未能为我们许多公民带来繁荣
954since the financial crisis of 2008.自2008年金融危机以来。
955Declining real living standards over much of this period and the cost of living crisis在此期间的大部分时间里实际生活水平下降和生活费用危机
956leads to despair for many.导致许多人绝望。
957The government over that period has been either the Labour Party or the Conservative Party在此期间,政府要么是工党,要么是保守党
958and that's actually one of the reasons since you make that point of information why I want这也是你提出这个信息的原因之一
959Scotland to exit this union, because I want the prosperity that an independent Scotland苏格兰要退出这个联盟 因为我想要一个独立的苏格兰的繁荣
960would deliver for our people.将为我们的人民提供。
961I do understand that in this vacuum of leadership in these islands over the last 20 years that我确实理解,在过去20年中,在这些岛屿的领导真空中,
962space has opened up, quite frankly, for charlatans and chancers to develop simplistic solutions坦率地说,空间已经为花花公子和冒险者开发简单的解决办法打开了大门。
963as part of their playbook to scapegoat groups within our society and to divide our communities.作为他们作为社会替罪羊团体和分裂我们社区游戏手册的一部分。
964And I bear no ill will to the erudite speeches from the individuals that we have heard from,我对我们听到的这些个人的经过研究的演讲没有恶意。
965but we need to be real about the prospect that we face with reform.但我们需要真实对待我们面对改革的前景。
966Those of us in the other parties, and my goodness we're lined up today, parties that typically我们其他派对上的人 和我的善良 我们今天排成一队 通常的派对
967don't work together, but we do that because we must call out the divisive rhetoric from不要合作,但我们这样做,因为我们必须叫出 分裂的言论从
968those that seek to achieve the office of government for reform and let's remember, let's remember那些试图实现政府改革 并让我们记住,让我们记住
969that they are influenced and encouraged by a Trumpian agenda.他们受到特朗普议程的影响和鼓励。
970There are threads, many reasons as to why reform are not fit for government, but not有线索, 有许多原因 改革是不适合政府的,
971least the response of Nigel Farage to the conviction of the murderer of Henry Novak.至少奈杰尔·法拉吉对谋杀亨利·诺瓦克的 罪名的反应
972In raising the murder of Henry, we should all stand with his family, but let's remind提起Henry的谋杀案 我们都应该和他的家人站在一起 但让我们提醒一下
973ourselves of the words of Mark Novak, the father of Henry.以亨利之父马克·诺瓦克的话来说
974We want to see Henry's heartbreaking story to make change for the better.我们希望看到亨利令人心碎的故事 来让变化变得更好。
975We do not want his death to be used to create further division, hatred or tension.我们不希望他的死亡被用来制造进一步的分裂、仇恨或紧张。
976We want his story to help make our streets safer for everyone.我们希望他的故事能帮助 我们的街道对每个人都更安全。
977Nigel Farage was not listening to Mark Novak.奈杰尔·法拉吉没有听马克·诺瓦克的话
978Farage called for the British people to show pure cold rage.法拉吉呼吁英国人民表现出纯粹的冷酷的愤怒.
979Friends, the response to that call was the somewhat predictable riots that took place朋友们,响应这个呼吁的是发生了一些可以预测的暴乱
980in Southampton that evening.那天晚上在南安普顿
981My goodness, my goodness, my friend, if you cannot see when you call for pure cold rage天啊,我的天啊,我的朋友,如果你不知道 当你呼吁纯粹的冷怒
982that there's going to be a response, then quite frankly, by that alone and by that alone,坦白地说,只有这样 才会有对策
983Farage and reform are not fit for government.法尔格和改革不适合政府.
984Can we please have order in the chamber?室里有秩序吗?
985If I contrast the effect of the incitement to riot, because that's what it was of the如果我把煽动暴动的效果作对比, 因为这就是它是什么
986language used by Nigel Farage, what we have seen across the rest of the political divide,奈杰尔·法拉吉使用的语言, 我们所看到的 其余的政治分歧,
987all of us has been a desire to support the Novak family and yes, to examine what did我们都一直想支持诺瓦克家族 并且是的,检查一下
988take place on that tragic evening and that pace to learn whatever lessons need to be在那悲惨的夜晚 以及吸取任何教训的步伐
989learned.学会了
990That is what political leaders do, support the victims to learn the lessons and yes,政治领导人就是这样做的,支持受害者吸取教训,是的,
991yes, to seek to provide answers, not as Nigel Farage did, to take a flame thrower to the是的,试图提供答案,而不是像奈杰尔·法拉吉所做的那样, 将火焰喷射器带到
992scene of the crime and inflame the situation.案发现场和火上浇油
993But then, let us look at what has happened this week and the shocking attack on Belfast但是,让我们看看这周发生的事情 以及贝尔法斯特遭受的令人震惊的袭击
994that we all rightly condemn and I despair, because once again, Nigel Farage and others因为奈杰尔·法拉吉和其他人
995in reform called on folk to protest.在改革中呼吁民众抗议。
996You cannot call on people to protest and then wash your hands on the racist thuggery that你不能呼吁人们抗议 然后洗手 种族主义暴徒
997took place in Northern Ireland.发生在北爱尔兰。
998As a point of information, did not the family of Mr Ogilvie, who was attacked in the streets奥吉尔维先生在街上遭到袭击 他的家人没有透露
999in Belfast, call for peaceful protest?在贝尔法斯特,呼吁和平抗议?
1000What happened to that individual is shameful and should be called out.此人的遭遇是可耻的,应当受到谴责。
1001But what we saw on Tuesday evening was families being forced out of their homes because of但我们星期二晚上看到的是 家庭被迫离家出走
1002the colour of their skin and that is on the back of Nigel Farage calling for protest.他们的皮肤的颜色 以及奈杰尔・法拉吉的背面 要求抗议
1003You know, you can try and excuse what took place, but when you see people being forced你知道,你可以尝试和原谅 发生了什么事,但当你看到人们被迫
1004out of their homes, when you see people that work in our health service, and I listened当你看到那些在我们的医疗服务中工作的人时 我听到
1005to the RCN talk about the fact that our medical professionals in Northern Ireland were being我们北爱尔兰的医务专业人员
1006stopped in the streets by thugs and asked what country they came from, based on nothing被暴徒拦在街上 问他们来自哪个国家 毫无理由
1007else than the colour of their skin, and that division, that hatred is stocked up by the除了皮肤的颜色, 和这种分裂, 仇恨的积聚
1008party of reform.改革党。
1009Friends, they are simply not fit for government.朋友们,他们根本不适合政府
1010If we take current polling and electoral experience, particularly in by-elections,如果我们接受目前的投票和选举经验,特别是在补选方面的经验,
1011it can be argued that the public are demonstrating that reform are not fit for government.可以说,公众正在表明改革不适合政府。
1012If I take, for example, the Caerphilly by-election,如果我拿,比如说,凯菲利补选,
1013reform gave us the impression that they were going to win this seat.改革给我们的印象是,他们将赢得这个席位。
1014They did not come close.他们没有靠近。
1015Plaid Cymru won with a vote, they came very close.普莱德·西姆鲁通过投票获胜,两人非常接近.
1016Listen, can I remind you, sunshine, Plaid Cymru won with a vote share of 47.4%, nearly听着,我可以提醒你,阳光, Plaid Cymru赢得了47.4%的选票份额,几乎
101750% of the vote, and in doing so, demonstrated that they led a progressive alliance to lock50%的选票, 并以此证明 他们领导了一个进步联盟锁定
1018out reform.改革。
1019That is exactly what happened in the Senate election a few weeks ago, when a resurgent这正是几个星期前参议院选举中发生的情况 当一个死灰复燃的
1020plight put together that progressive alliance.困境使这个进步的联盟走到一起。
1021Reform were stopped in their tracks, the triumph of hope over division.改革在他们的轨道上停止,希望战胜分裂。
1022In the Gorton and Denton by-election, it was the same result, reform defeat, although in在戈顿和丹顿的补选中,结果是一样的,改革失败,尽管在
1023this time, it's the Greens who were in the best place to win that seat.这次是格林队最能赢得那个席位
1024In Scotland, my party, the SNP, have been specific about the desire and the need to在苏格兰,我的党, SNP, 已经具体说明了 愿望和需要
1025reform out of government, and have appealed to every other mainstream party to join us并且呼吁其他主流政党加入我们
1026in locking them out.把他们锁起来
1027Despite repeated claims that they were going to storm the Scottish citadel, they failed尽管屡次声称他们要冲进苏格兰城堡,但他们失败了
1028to take a single seat, not one, first passed the post and received 16% of the vote, considerably获得一个席位,而不是一个席位,首先通过该职位,并获得16%的选票,相当大
1029less than reform were pulling in England and Wales.英格兰和威尔士的改革比不上改革。
1030I would argue an indication of the success that we have had, because quite simply, we've我想说的是,我们已经取得了成功, 因为很简单,我们已经
1031taken reform on head on.开始改革
1032Our First Minister has made it clear that whilst other parties were invited to talk我们的第一部长已经明确表示,当其他党派应邀发言时,
1033with the SNP government, no such invitation would be made to reform.与新民党政府,不会发出这样的改革邀请.
1034In Scotland, we're standing up to reform, and we're showing in doing so that they在苏格兰,我们站出来改革, 我们正在显示这样做,让他们
1035can and they will be defeated.他们会被打败的
1036The question, therefore, becomes not just about being fit to govern, but locking them因此,问题不仅在于是否适合治理,而且在于将其锁定
1037out of government.离开政府
1038If I may ask a question to my friends in the Conservatives, will they make it clear that如果我能问一个问题 我的朋友在保守党, 他们会说清楚:
1039never, not ever, would they be prepared to go into government with reform?他们永远也不会准备好改革政府?
1040All of us represent mainstream civic society.我们大家代表着主流民间社会。
1041Reform are a threat to that civic society and the values that we hold dear.改革是对这一公民社会和我们珍视的价值的威胁。
1042I could go on, but I hear the bell, I'll stop for now.我可以继续,但我听到铃声,我暂时停止。
1043I plead all of you for sanity, for civility.我恳求你们所有人理智 礼貌
1044Make sure tonight that you oppose this motion and that we defeat in this chamber reform今晚你一定要反对这个动议 并且我们在这个会议厅改革中失败
1045and we show that willingness of all of us in these islands to stand together against我们向这些岛屿的所有人表明,我们愿意团结起来,反对
1046division and against fear.组织与对抗恐惧。
1047Thank you.谢谢
1048Now we will take a brief pause to open up the floor to floor speeches.现在,我们将简短地暂停一下,把发言打开。
1049I look for a speaker on proposition.我找一个演讲人来做提议。
1050I call upon Alex Cohen.我请亚历克斯・科恩来
1051Thank you, Madame President.谢谢你,总统女士
1052Recognize the irony that you have a Canadian liberal here standing up and making the case承认你有一个加拿大自由主义者在这里 站出来立案的讽刺
1053for why reform is fit to govern, but there's actually a lot to learn from Canada here.为什么改革适合治理, 但实际上从加拿大那里学到了很多。
1054We already had our own Reform Party in the 1990s, so in this case, the colony is ahead90年代我们已经有了自己的改革党 所以在这种情况下 殖民地就在前面
1055of the motherland.祖国。
1056Reform burst onto the scene, marginalized our Conservative Party, pushed them to the改革一触即发 我们的保守党 被排挤到社会边缘
1057right and eventually merged with them in an act that Nigel Farage called himself a在奈杰尔·法拉吉自称是
1058reverse takeover, so don't be shocked if he leads the Tories one day.反向接管,所以不要震惊 如果他领导托里一天。
1059I wouldn't be.我不会。
1060But tonight we're here to talk about reform governing.但今晚我们来讨论改革管理
1061So as a foreigner, as an outsider, I've taken a close look at the political parties here作为外国人,作为外人,我仔细观察了这里的政党
1062and after an exhaustive analysis of the people and personalities that have run this country在对管理这个国家的人和人物进行了详尽的分析之后
1063can tell you that reform is very much fit to govern.可以告诉你,改革非常适合管理。
1064Let's talk about party unity.谈党的统一.
1065Despite only having a few politicians at the national level, reform, they all seem to already尽管在国家一级只有少数政治家,改革,但似乎都已经
1066all hate each other.都讨厌对方
1067You saw Rupert Lowe in a fit of pique go to found his own party for those who would like你看见鲁珀特·洛身穿皮克服饰 去寻找自己的派对
1068to restore Britain to a time when it was all white.让英国恢复到白化的时代
1069We've seen two of the reforms top dogs, Robert Jenrick and Zia Youssef publicly squabble我们已经看到两个改革的顶级狗,罗伯特・詹里克和齐亚・尤瑟夫公开争吵
1070over deportation policy.关于驱逐政策。
1071I think one of the speakers here on the proposition was actually fired by Zia Youssef我想这里的一位演讲者 是Zia Youssef炒的
1072at some point and then brought back by the Reform Party membership.在某些时候,然后被改革党成员带回。
1073Full time firing, proud of it.全职射击,引以为傲.
1074Congratulations.祝贺你
1075This is great news.这是好消息。
1076Britain has a time honoured tradition of parties knifing each other.英国在历史上有辉煌的政党传统
1077Conservatives had five leaders in what, was that eight years?保守派有五个领袖,是八年吗?
1078The Labour are already ousting their leader after only two years in power.工党在执政仅两年后就已经赶走了他们的领袖.
1079Reform is well on its way to being in the big leagues.改革顺利进入大联盟.
1080They are ready to take the reins from each other first.他们准备先从对方手中夺权。
1081When it comes to unity, reform is fit to govern.在统一问题上,改革是合适的。
1082Next, let's talk about transparency.接下来,让我们谈谈透明度。
1083Nigel Farage hasn't given a press conference in, I think, something like 50 days.奈杰尔·法拉吉在大约50天的时间里没有召开记者招待会
1084This is great news.这是好消息。
1085The more you have to hide, it took 50 days.你越要躲 需要50天时间
1086And this is, and this is shocking from a man who never met a microphone he didn't like.这是,这是令人震惊的 一个男人谁从来没有见过麦克风 他不喜欢。
1087I mean, now this again is great news for Britain.我的意思是,现在这又是英国的好消息。
1088Labour would like to spellbound all of us into forgetting that they appointed工人们想让我们忘记 他们任命
1089Peter Mandelson去华盛顿 因为他们知道 他坠落在他朋友Jeff Epstein的沙发上
1090I would like to forget that Peter Mandelson almost became the Chancellor of this university,我想忘记彼得·曼德尔森 差点成为这所大学的校长
1091but that's a whole other story.但这是另一个故事
1092The Tories are no slouch either.托里一家也不稀罕
1093When they were in government, they used WhatsApp, they used private emails.当他们执政时,他们使用WhatsApp,他们使用私人电子邮件.
1094They had all those parties during COVID.在COVID期间他们有这么多派对
1095Reform is well on its way.改革进展顺利。
1096The more you have, the more you have to hide.你越多越要躲起来
1097When it comes to transparency, reform is fit to govern.关于透明度,改革是适当的。
1098Let's talk about integrity.让我们谈谈正直。
1099This house will know that Nigel Farage, as has been already mentioned,这房子会知道奈杰尔・法拉吉, 正如已经提到的,
1100took five million pounds from a crypto bro.从一个秘密兄弟那里拿走了五百万磅
1101Of course, this was a donation from a friend,当然,这是一位朋友的捐款,
1102because billionaires always donate to people, politicians, because they think they're cool guys.因为亿万富翁总是捐给人们,政客, 因为他们认为他们是很酷的家伙。
1103Again, I think this is a great sign.我再说一遍,我认为这是一个伟大的迹象。
1104This country has a long history of paying politicians.这个国家有着向政治家付钱的悠久历史.
1105You know, Winston Churchill in the 1920s took 5,000 quid from two oil companies that wanted to merge.温斯顿·丘吉尔在20世纪20年代 从两家想合并的石油公司那里拿了5000英镑
1106I'll forgive him, he won World War II, and I'm Jewish.我原谅他,他赢得了二战,我是犹太人.
1107In the years since, there have been so many cash-for-access scandals,之后的几年里, 发生了太多的以现金换收入的丑闻,
1108that if you go on Wikipedia and you look up cash-for-access,如果你去维基百科 并寻找现金访问,
1109you have to specify not just the politician, but the year, because there are so many.你不仅需要具体说明政治家,而且需要具体说明年份,因为有这么多人。
1110We saw it under Blair, Tony's, Crony's.我们在布莱尔 托尼 科罗尼家见过
1111I remember so earlier that somebody from the Simpsons, a cap lady,我记得早些时候 辛普森一家的一位女士
1112who would be qualified to be a vet, is your argument that reform is the谁有资格成为兽医 你的论点是改革是
1113I think I would say so.我想我会这样说。
1114Cash-for-access, a time-honoured tradition of British politics.现金获取(英語:Cash- for-access),是英国政治的一个历史悠久的传统.
1115Reform is ready to take the reins after they take a check.改革准备在他们接受检查后掌握权力。
1116Now, lastly, consistency.最后一点是一致性
1117Reform promised, I believe a few years ago, £90 billion in tax cuts.改革承诺,我相信几年前, 减税900亿英镑。
1118Now, this was welcomed by many here.现在,这里的许多人欢迎这个。
1119This is an expensive country.这是一个昂贵的国家。
1120As a foreigner, I consider it an assault on the wallet, leaving the house.作为一个外国人,我认为这是对钱包的攻击,离开房子。
1121They promptly broke the promise.他们迅速违背了诺言。
1122This, again, is in a time-honoured tradition of British politics.这也是英国政治的悠久传统。
1123We know that the path to power lies around the bend of many stomach-churning U-turns.我们知道,通向权力的道路 围绕着弯曲 许多胃痛的U -转弯。
1124Keir Starmer ran for the leadership as a left-winger, ran in the general as a moderate,Keir Starmer作为左翼者竞选领袖,作为温和派者竞选将军,
1125ran the country as I don't know what, and is now running away from his promises我不知道什么 管理着这个国家 现在却背弃了他的诺言
1126quicker than our members are going to run away from the hacks outside the union tomorrow.比我们的成员明天要快 逃离工会外的黑客
1127Now, the Conservatives are no slouch either.现在,保守党也不是一流的。
1128We know that zombies roam their graveyard of broken promises from 300,000 new homes我们知道僵尸在30万个新家 违背诺言的坟墓里游荡
1129to stopping the boats.拦船
1130Boats are still coming.船还在来
1131When it comes to consistency, Reform are fit to govern.在一致性方面,改革是适当的。
1132Now, I could go on.现在,我可以继续。
1133I could do the whole Nigel Farage man of the people schtick,我可以做整个奈杰尔・法拉吉 人stick,
1134although he does have some drip.虽然他有滴水。
1135I will give him that.我会给他的。
1136He's a great dresser.他的打扮很厉害
1137But it's a floor speech, and time is limited.但它是一个地板演讲, 时间有限。
1138But I have to say, on unity, on consistency, on transparency, and on integrity,但我必须说,关于团结,关于一致性,关于透明度,关于正直,
1139Reform is fit to govern, just like every other party that's run this country.改革是适合治理的,就像管理这个国家的所有其他政党一样.
1140Thank you.谢谢
1141Thank you for that speech.谢谢你的演讲
1142I now look for a slightly shorter speech on side opposition.我现在想在侧面的反对意见上略短一点的发言。
1143I look to Jake Dibden.我找杰克・迪布登
1144Thank you, Owa.谢谢你,奥瓦。
1145Darling, I trust you know my name, right?亲爱的,我相信你知道我的名字,对不对?
1146Yeah.
1147If you're confused, look at the tenancy agreement.如果你感到困惑,看看租赁协议。
1148As a literally card-carrying member of the Conservative Party,作为保守党的成员,
1149it's very unusual that I find myself in agreement with a Liberal Democrat.我发现自己同意自由民主党是很不寻常的
1150What can I say?我能说什么?
1151They make for very romantic partners in rose gardens.它们在玫瑰园里为非常浪漫的伴侣。
1152It's even less unusual that I find myself agreeing with a member of the SNP.更不寻常的是,我发现自己同意 SNP的一名成员。
1153I'm sorry, Miss Millwood.对不起 米尔伍德小姐
1154I'm not sure I'm going to be able to push myself to agreement with the Green.我不确定自己能不能 和绿党达成一致
1155I think what I want to share with the House today我想今天我想和众议院分享的东西
1156is that there are two ways in which Reform is not fit to govern.改革有两种不适合治理的方式。
1157Firstly, that Reform UK's platform is not a viable programme for government.首先,联合王国的改革平台不是政府可行的方案。
1158Certainly not one that is in the interests of the members of this House.当然,这不符合本院成员的利益。
1159And secondly, that Reform is not fit for government because Reform itself is ungovernable.第二,改革不适合政府,因为改革本身是无法治理的。
1160I'm going to deal with the first first.我将处理第一个。
1161And you'll notice I very helpfully labelled the numbers of my pages你会注意到,我非常有帮助地贴上了我的页面
1162so I don't make the cock up of the two speakers所以我不会把两个扬声器的阴茎
1163or have anywhere near as rough an outing as Mr Masters did.或者跟Masters先生一样粗糙
1164Now, dealing with only two elements of Reform's platform.现在,只处理改革纲领的两个内容.
1165Firstly, I mean, let's interrogate possibly one of the most important functions首先,我的意思是,让我们询问 可能最重要的功能之一
1166of a government foreign policy.政府外交政策。
1167I had the pleasure last term, some of you will remember,上个学期我很高兴 你们中有些人会记得
1168of asking Leila Cunningham when she came to talk about Winston Churchill问莱拉·坎宁安 她来谈温斯顿·丘吉尔的时候
1169about Nigel Farage's previous comments on the Russo-Ukrainian War,关于奈杰尔·法拉吉之前对俄罗斯-乌克兰战争的评论,
1170which verbatim include that there must be concessions on both sides双方必须作出让步
1171in order to bring the war into the end.为了让战争结束
1172And that Ukraine essentially baited Russia into invading.乌克兰基本上诱使俄罗斯入侵。
1173And the way she dealt with this was to simply deny it她的处理方式就是否认
1174and to lie that I hadn't seen those exact words come out of Mr Farage's mouth并撒谎,我没有看到 那些确切的字 从法拉吉先生的嘴里出来
1175in a clip I watched a couple of hours before.我在几小时前看的片段
1176Elsewhere, when we examine their plans for the budget,在其他地方,当我们审查他们的预算计划时,
1177what we encounter is purely a product of populism我们遇到的只是民粹主义的产物
1178targeted towards those over the age of 50以50岁以上者为目标
1179at the cost of everyone in this room.以这个房间的所有人为代价
1180No, thank you, Mr Barbas.不,谢谢,巴巴斯先生
1181Apologies.对不起
1182In the first instance, we see a commitment from Reform首先,我们看到改革的承诺
1183{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}在这个国家金融史的一瞬间 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}保持三重锁
1184when we should be looking to gut it.当我们想把它挖出来的时候
1185No, thank you, Mr Lawson.不 谢谢 劳森先生
1186If you want more on why we must scrap this dreadfully regressive policy,如果你更想知道为什么我们必须 废除这种可怕的倒退政策,
1187I direct you towards two fantastic blogs recently written by Mr Swain.我引领你们看Swain先生最近写的两个很棒的博客。
1188Elsewhere, if we look at their 2024 manifesto,其他地方,如果我们看看他们的2024年宣言,
1189they committed themselves to £141 billion of new spending他们承诺投入1 140亿英镑的新开支
1190in tax cuts or additional social expenditure,减税或额外社会开支,
1191almost 13 times higher than was promised by this disastrous Labour government比这个灾难性的工党政府承诺的要高近13倍
1192and three times higher than the abortive mini-budget并且比流产的小型预算高三倍
1193proposed by Liz Truss and Kwasi Kwarteng.由丽兹·特鲁斯和夸西·夸尔滕提出.
1194And how do they plan to fund this?他们打算怎么资助?
1195Through cuts and efficiencies.通过削减和提高效率。
1196And if this sounds familiar,如果这听起来熟悉,
1197it's precisely because it is simply a reheated version正是因为它只是一个重温版本
1198of Reform's plan in local government,地方政府的改革计划,
1199which led them to U-turn on promises not to increase council tax导致他们放弃不增加议会税的承诺
1200because, funnily enough, the billions of pounds of DEI因为,有趣的是,数十亿磅的DEI
1201and climate efficiencies they thought they'd be able to find和气候效率 他们认为他们能找到
1202just weren't there.只是没有在那里。
1203Frankly, what Reform offers as a plan for the country坦率地说,改革为国家提供了什么计划
1204is something that will destroy the value of existing financial investments,将破坏现有金融投资的价值,
1205including pensions and housing savings,包括养老金和住房储蓄,
1206that will send the pound tumbling,即使脓汁沸腾,
1207thereby increasing the cost of living.从而增加了生活费用。
1208If you are a young person, you can kiss any financial aspirations如果你是年轻人,你可以亲吻任何经济愿望
1209in your life goodbye under a Reform government.在你一生中,在改革政府的领导下告别。
1210In order to make time, I'm going to unfortunately have to skip为了腾出时间,我不得不跳过
1211the skewering of the dramatist's persona剧作家的个性
1212that I had written with great theatrical aplomb.我写了伟大的戏剧片段。
1213Don't worry, I'll see you all in President's drinks after.别担心,我会在总统的饮料中看到你们
1214I'll give it there.我会给它在那里。
1215And indeed, I'm going to leave you with this thought.事实上,我要离开你的想法。
1216Reform, in many ways, remind me在许多方面改革,提醒我
1217of a band of political adventurers and swashbuckling scoundrels.一群政治冒险家和无赖
1218They are, in many ways, like 17th century pirates.他们在许多方面就像17世纪的海盗。
1219They may be charismatic.它们可能具有魅力。
1220They may be fun on the lash, particularly over dinner.他们可能很有趣 在斜线上, 特别是晚餐。
1221But my only question for the House is,但我唯一要问的是,
1222would you give them the keys to the Treasury?你能把国库钥匙给他们吗?
1223I'm going to ask you all to vote for the noes,我要请你们投票给诺斯
1224and I'm going to let Arwa crack on with tonight's fantastic debate.我要让阿尔瓦继续今晚的精彩辩论
1225Can I remind all students that they are voting with their feet,我可以提醒所有的学生 他们正在用脚投票,
1226depending on the side of the door they go through that is a vote cast?取决于他们走过的那扇门的侧面 那就是投票?
1227I now look to Matt Goodwin to continue the case on side proposition.我现在希望马特·古德温 继续这个案子的侧面提议。
1228Madam President, ladies and gentlemen,主席女士,女士们,先生们,
1229the motion before us tonight is not actually about Reform UK and Nigel Farage.今晚摆在我们面前的动议 其实不是关于改革英国和奈杰尔·法拉吉的
1230It is actually about Britain,其实是关于英国的
1231and it is about what the political class in this country,这是关于这个国家的政治阶层,
1232lined up before us over here,站在我们前面
1233have done to this country over the last 30 years.在过去30年里,我们为这个国家做了很多事情。
1234Time and time again, we are told, and we've heard it tonight,一次又一次地,我们被告知, 我们已经听到它今晚,
1235that Reform UK is not possibly fit to govern改革 英国可能不适合治理
1236because we don't have the experience.因为我们没有经验
1237We're not competent.我们没有能力。
1238We're rabble-rousers and pirates and swashbuckling drinkers.我们是暴徒和海盗 还有酒鬼
1239All of that is true, but we are not a serious political party.所有这一切都是真的,但我们不是一个严肃的政党。
1240That is what we have heard so far this evening.这就是我们今晚迄今听到的。
1241But if all of those things are needed to govern this country effectively,但是,如果所有这些事情 需要有效地治理这个国家,
1242then what on earth has been happening for the last 30 years?那么过去30年里究竟发生了什么?
1243Just look at the people who are in front of me tonight.看看今晚在我面前的人们
1244由Ed Davey领导的Lib Dems, 这个人表现得很严肃。
1245The SNP that wants independence so that it can shackle Scotland想要独立从而束缚苏格兰的SNP
1246to the European Union, which is not a democratic organisation.致欧洲联盟,欧盟不是一个民主组织。
1247The Greens who talk about people being divisive,绿党谁谈论 人们分裂,
1248who have just mainstreamed in this country刚刚进入这个国家主流的人
1249a virulent anti-Semitism and an Islamism and a misogyny反犹太主义、伊斯兰教和厌恶女性
1250that would treat women and girls in this country like second-class citizens.让这个国家的妇女和女童成为二等公民
1251And the Tories, the traditional custodians of this country,托里家族 这个国家的传统守护者
1252who were so committed to this country that under Boris Johnson,他们如此致力于这个国家 在鲍里斯·约翰逊,
1253they even removed the requirement for companies in this country他们甚至取消了对这个国家公司的要求
1254to advertise jobs in Britain before advertising them overseas.在英国做广告,然后在海外做广告
1255They are not conservatives, they are globalists.他们不是保守主义者,而是全球主义者。
1256And there is a difference between those two things.这两者之间有区别
1257Many of the people who talk about experience and competence许多谈论经验和能力的人
1258went to the best universities in the world like this one.进入了世界上最好的大学 像这个。
1259Seven of the last ten prime ministers that we had in this country studied at Oxford.后十位首相中,有七位 我们曾在牛津学习过
1260Many of them probably sat in this room.他们中许多人可能坐在这里。
1261But all of them have presided over a political consensus that has given us但他们都主持过政治共识 给了我们
1262zero economic growth, declining productivity,零经济增长,生产力下降,
1263soaring youth unemployment, which everyone in this room will soon encounter,年轻人失业率飙升,在这个房间里每个人都会遇到,
1264collapsing public services, not enough prisons, two-tier policing, broken borders.公共服务崩溃、监狱不足、两级警察、边界被打破。
1265Let me come to your point.让我来谈谈你的观点。
1266Broken borders, the highest industrial electricity prices in the Western world,破碎的边界, 工业电价最高的西方世界,
1267the highest tax burden in this country in peacetime,这个国家在和平时期最高的税收负担,
1268the mainstreaming of anti-white racism, sectarianism,将反白人种族主义、宗派主义、
1269the grooming gangs, which were left unchecked in this country for 50 years.培养黑帮 这个国家50年来一直没有被控制
1270Their legacy is reflected in collapsing public confidence and trust in politics.他们的遗产体现在公众对政治的信心和信心崩溃。
1271They have weakened our democracy.他们削弱了我们的民主。
1272That is factually incorrect.这事实上是不正确的。
1273An independent report by democracy volunteers on the night of the election民主志愿者在选举当晚的独立报告
1274supported by the Electoral Commission found that in 68% of all polling stations在选举委员会的支持下,发现在68%的投票站
1275in Gorton and Denton, there was illegal family voting.在戈顿和丹顿, 有非法的家庭投票。
1276I would point, sir, to the fact that Greater Manchester Police我想说的是 大曼彻斯特警察
1277have just arrested activists in Gorton and Denton for electoral fraud.刚在戈尔顿和丹顿逮捕了活动分子 罪名是选举舞弊
1278There is only one political party in this country that is serious about这个国家只有一个政党是认真的
1279sectarianism and tackling it, and that is Reform UK.宗派主义及其解决,即改革英国。
1280If experience is the thing that you're looking for, then I would suggest to you如果你要找的是经验 那我建议你
1281that the experience we have in Westminster is destroying our country.我们威斯敏斯特的经验正在毁灭我们的国家。
1282What I would argue is that Reform UK is the only political party that understands我想说的是 改革英国是唯一一个能理解
1283the importance of two things that make a political party fit to govern,使政党适合执政的两件事很重要
1284both of which are currently missing in Westminster.两者目前都在威斯敏斯特失踪.
1285The first is national preference.第一个是国家偏好。
1286The idea, going back to ancient Rome, that nation-states will not survive回到古罗马 民族国家将无法生存
1287if they do not prioritise their own law-abiding, tax-paying, hard-working citizens.如果他们不优先考虑自己的守法、纳税、勤劳的公民。
1288Not international organisations, not supranational institutions,不是国际组织,不是超国家机构,
1289not unelected, unaccountable public bodies, lawyers, courts, foreign activists,并非未经选举、不负责任的公共机构、律师、法院、外国活动家、
1290Davos, the World Economic Forum, their own people.达沃斯,世界经济论坛,他们自己的人民.
1291We hear tonight a lot about Reform UK being divisive.我们今晚听到很多关于 改革英国是分裂。
1292Let me be absolutely clear.让我说清楚
1293There is nothing more divisive than treating your own people like second-class citizens.没有什么比把自己的人民当作二等公民来对待更加分裂的了。
1294There is nothing more divisive than allowing the industrial-scale sexual assault and rape没有什么比允许工业规模的性攻击和强奸更分裂的了
1295of young women in this country for 30, 40 years and then turning a blind eye这个国家的年轻女性 30,40年 然后视而不见
1296because it's too difficult to consider that issue.因为考虑这个问题太难了
1297It's politically unfashionable.政事不时.
1298Isn't it strange when you attack other political parties,你攻击其他政党不奇怪吗?
1299which are membership organisations, which we can all influence,它们是会员组织, 我们都能够影响,
1300and yet the reality is Reform is the only one which is not a normal political party.但现实是改革是唯一不是正常政党的政党。
1301It's a private company controlled by Nigel Farage.是奈杰尔·法拉吉控制的私人公司.
1302This personally has absolutely nothing to do with what I've just said.这和我刚才说的话完全无关
1303We have more than 200,000 grassroots members who will be meeting at our conference in September,我们有超过20万的基层成员 将在我们9月份的会议上开会,
1304and I look forward to the SNP conference in the autumn,我期待着在秋天的SNP会议,
1305when I'm sure they'll have lots of questions about the lack of democracy within the SNP我敢肯定,他们会有很多问题 关于国家警察部队内部缺乏民主
1306and the embezzlement of party funds.和挪用党经费。
1307But let me move on.但让我继续前进。
1308What is divisive in this country is not Reform UK.国家分裂的不是改革英国。
1309What is divisive is what we saw on the streets of Belfast.分裂的是我们在贝尔法斯特的街道上看到的。
1310What is divisive is the treatment of Henry Novak.分裂之处在于亨利·诺瓦克的待遇.
1311What is divisive is the mainstreaming of anti-white racism in our schools,分裂的是反白人种族主义在我们学校的主流,
1312our universities, and our police force.我们的大学,我们的警察。
1313And what is divisive is waking up week after week, day after day,分裂的事物 周而复始 周而复始
1314reading stories about how our own people are being treated like second-class citizens.读到我们自己人如何被当成二等公民的故事。
1315Reform UK is a symptom of the fact that the British people改革英国是英国人民
1316have had enough of being treated like second-class citizens.被当成二等公民已经受够了
1317We have a serious policy programme.我们有一个严肃的政策方案。
1318We will end all non-essential migration.我们将结束所有非必要的移徙。
1319We will end low-wage, low-skill migration我们将结束低工资,低技能的移民
1320that has been shown by the Office for Budget Responsibility to be a net fiscal cost.预算责任办公室表示,这是净财政成本。
1321We will leave the European Convention on Human Rights我们离开《欧洲人权公约》
1322so we can control our laws and our borders.这样我们可以控制我们的法律和边界。
1323We will end welfare benefits for people who are not British.我们将结束非英国人的福利福利。
1324We will end social housing subsidies for people who are not British.我们将停止对非英国人的社会住房补贴。
1325How is it right in this country that we have 1.3 million families这个国家有130万户人家,这怎么可能?
1326on the social housing register?在社会住房登记簿上?
13273,300 military veterans waiting for our house.3300名退役军人等待我们的房子。
1328And the First Lady of Sierra Leone,和塞拉利昂第一夫人,
1329who lives in a presidential mansion in Freetown,住在弗里敦的总统府
1330is renting out a council flat in Southwark.在南沃克租了一间议会公寓
1331How is it right that these governments allowed senior lieutenants in Hamas这些政府允许哈马斯的高级中尉,这怎么可能是正确的呢?
1332to have council flats in our country?在我国有议会公寓?
1333It is an absolute disgrace.这是绝对的耻辱。
1334I'm afraid that's incorrect.恐怕这不正确
1335Read the Reform Party manifesto.解读改革党宣言.
1336We have a principle of national preference in housing, sir,我们有一个国家优先 住房的原则,先生,
1337which means if you're from this country,这意味着如果你来自这个国家,
1338if you contribute to this country,如果你为这个国家捐款
1339if your ancestors built this country,如果你的祖先建立了这个国家
1340you will be prioritised.您将被优先排序。
1341You laugh while mainstreaming Islamist sectarianism in this country.你在这个国家把伊斯兰宗派主义纳入主流时大笑.
1342You laugh while mainstreaming people who hate our country.你嘲笑那些憎恨我们国家的人
1343You laugh while allowing misogyny and terrorist sympathisers in our country.你在笑的同时却允许 厌恶女性和恐怖主义的共鸣者在我国。
1344It is an absolute disgrace.这是绝对的耻辱。
1345We will prioritise British people in the housing market.我们将优先安排英国人在住房市场。
1346And we hear much about the family of Henry Novak.我们听说了亨利·诺瓦克的家族
1347We hear much about what they ask for.我们听到很多关于他们要求的东西。
1348We've heard nothing about what the family of Rhiannon White has asked for.瑞彦农怀特家族要求的,我们没有听说.
1349Siobhan White, who was asked to meet with the Prime Minister,锡奥布汉·怀特,曾被要求会见首相,
1350has asked to meet with Kemi Badenoch.要求会见凯米·巴德诺赫
1351What does Siobhan White want after her daughter was stabbed in the head锡奥布汉是什么? 怀特在她女儿被刺头后想要
135219 times by an illegal migrant from Sudan?来自苏丹的19次非法移民?
1353What does Siobhan ask for?锡奥布汉要什么?
1354An end to broken borders.断断界灭.
1355She's asked for control at the borders.她要求控制边境
1356She's asked for British people, British women, British girls to be protected.她要求英国人,英国妇女,英国女孩受到保护.
1357I have not heard a single politician in Westminster mention Rhiannon White.韦斯敏斯特没有一位政治家提到瑞安农·怀特.
1358I've not heard them mention Thomas Roberts,我没有听到他们提到托马斯·罗伯茨
1359Wayne Broadhurst, Terence Carney, Lucy Lowe, Victoria Ogoglia, Charlene Downs.韦恩·布罗德赫斯特,特伦斯·卡尼,露西·洛威,维多利亚·奥戈利亚,夏琳·唐斯.
1360I could go on and on and on.我可以不停地继续
1361Because if you are part of the hard-working, law-abiding British majority,因为如果你是勤奋守法的英国多数
1362you simply are not treated with the same degree of respect你只是没有得到同等程度的尊重
1363and decency as other people.和别人一样正直
1364UK nationals.联合王国国民。
1365Somebody like Rhiannon White, who was murdered by an illegal migrant from Sudan,像Rhiannon这样的人 被苏丹非法移民谋杀的怀特
1366who should not have been in this country.他不应该来这个国家
1367Somebody like the man we saw lying on the street in Belfast,像我们在贝尔法斯特街上看到的那个人
1368who has had life-changing injuries because of an illegal migrant from Sudan.他因一名来自苏丹的非法移民而受伤。
1369Reform UK's policy on indefinite leave to remain is clear.改革联合王国关于无限期留职的政策是明确的。
1370We will abolish indefinite leave to remain.我们将废除无限期居留。
1371We will allow people to come to Britain.我们将允许人们来英国。
1372But they must speak our English language to a high standard.但他们必须高标准地说我们的英语。
1373They must make a strong economic contribution to this country.他们必须为这个国家作出强大的经济贡献.
1374They must have a clean criminal record.他们必须有一个干净的犯罪记录。
1375These are the foundations of a functioning nation-state.这些是正常运作的民族国家的基础。
1376And I would say to you, if you're on the left of politics,我会对你说 如果你站在政治的左边
1377if you do not have those things,如果你没有这些东西,
1378how on earth do you expect people to support the welfare state over the longer term?你指望人们如何长期支持福利国家?
1379Nobody in this country will support the welfare state.这个国家没有人支持福利国家.
1380Nobody in this country will support the social contract这个国家没有人会支持社会契约
1381if their money, their tax-paying money,如果他们的钱, 他们纳税的钱,
1382is going to people who they do not know and who are destroying their country.将走向他们不认识的人和正在毁灭他们国家的人。
1383What we need in Britain is a new consensus.我们英国需要的是新的共识。
1384Reform UK is the only party that actually has the courage to stand up改革英国是唯一真正有勇气站起来的政党
1385and point out the glaring failures in the existing system.并指出现有系统中的明显失败。
1386So I would urge you, respecting the time in the debate,因此,我敦促你尊重辩论时间,
1387to support the motion.支持这个动议。
1388Reform UK is fit to govern because if we don't govern,改革英国是适合治理的 因为如果我们不治理
1389then goodness knows where Britain will end up.那么上帝知道英国会到哪里去
1390Thank you very much.谢谢
1391Thank you for that speech.谢谢你的演讲
1392I now look to the fourth speaker on opposition, the right honourable Sir Desmond Swain.我现在要请第四位关于反对派的发言者、尊敬的德斯蒙德·斯温爵士发言。
1393Madam President and comrades,主席女士和同志们,
1394it was John Stuart Mill, that great exponent of liberty,是约翰·斯图尔特·米尔 自由的伟大代言人
1395who first described the Conservative Party as the stupid party.他首先形容保守党是愚蠢的政党.
1396He then sought to point out that he didn't mean that Conservatives were generally stupid,他后来试图指出,他并不意味着保守党人一般是愚蠢的,
1397mainly that stupid people were generally conservative.主要是愚蠢的人一般是保守的。
1398I think, no, in any walk of life,我认为,没有, 在任何生命的步道,
1399there will be a measure of stupid people assigned to every political party.每个政党都会有一群愚蠢的人
1400In preparation for this debate, however,然而,为筹备这次辩论,
1401my researcher handed me a sheet of the outpourings on social media我的研究员给了我一张社交媒体的流言
1402of any number of reform candidates at the May elections,参加5月选举的任何改革候选人,
1403with which I could detain or horrify you for the remainder of the time allowed to me,我可以用它拘留你 或折磨你 剩下的时间给我,
1404including that one that was elected包括当选的那个
1405and pointed out that he believed that a certain nationality他还指出,他认为某一国籍是:
1406should be melted down and the residue used to fill the puddles.应熔化并用残渣填满水坑。
1407Well, we've all said something stupid at one time or another我们都说过蠢话
1408and some of us have said things that are wicked.我们中有些人说过恶话。
1409But the reality is this, the membership of reform,但现实是,改革的成员,
1410and I refer to the membership of the voters and the supporters,我指的是选民和支持者,
1411the membership of reform is overwhelmingly driven改革成员绝大多数是推动的
1412by disappointment and frustration at the performance of the Conservative Party对保守党的表现感到失望和失望
1413and in particular the last Conservative government.特别是最后一个保守党政府。
1414That is evident from the number of ex-Conservative MPs这从前保守党议员的人数可以看出来。
1415that now occupy their benches, now as MPs,他们现在占据他们的席位, 现在作为议员,
1416and the number of failed Conservative panellists和失败的保守党小组成员人数
1417that are left to be joined.留待加入。
1418I give way.我让路。
1419Do you think reform could be fit to govern at some point in the future?你认为改革在未来某个时候是否适合治理?
1420Sir Desmond, can I ask you to speak directly into the microphone德斯蒙德爵士,我能请你直接对着麦克风说话吗?
1421so you can pick up your voice?这样你就能听到你的声音了?
1422Not in my estimation, comrade.不是我估计的,同志
1423So I share and understand that disappointment and frustration.因此,我赞同并理解这种失望和挫折感。
1424I voted for Robert Jenrick to be leader of the Conservative Party我投给罗伯特・詹里克 成为保守党领袖
1425at the last election and the one before that I voted for Suella Brabhaman.上次选举 之前我投给苏埃拉·布拉哈曼的
1426But what they need to understand is when they, and Andrew with them,但是他们需要理解的是 当他们,和安德鲁与他们,
1427decamped to reform, the entire lunatic fringe of the Conservative Party decamped with them.整个保守党的疯狂边缘 都和他们在一起
1428That's why I'm no longer continually embarrassed所以我不再一直觉得尴尬
1429by the musings on social media of some Conservative councillor or candidate.由一些保守党议员或候选人在社交媒体上发表言论。
1430The reality is they've all found a new home.现实是他们都找到了新家
1431Do you want to give way?你想让路吗?
1432The reality is this.现实是这样的。
1433Suella and the others need not worry, however,不过,Suella和其他人不必担心,
1434about the absurdity of those opinions any more than they need worrying about这些观点的荒谬性 比他们更需要担心
1435any opinions that they might express of their own.他们可能表达的任何意见。
1436Because there is only one opinion that counts in the Reform Party因为改革党里只有一个观点
1437and that is the opinion of Nigel Farage.这是奈杰尔·法拉吉的看法
1438And whatever ambition drove honourable members to不管什么野心驱使光荣的成员
1439part from the Conservative Party and join their benches,部分来自保守党 并加入他们的长椅,
1440they will need to bend the knee and worship at the shrine of Nigel Farage.他们需要弯下膝盖,在奈杰尔·法拉吉的神社礼拜.
1441It is a one-man band.这是一个单人乐队。
1442Now, given the nature of the egos that inhabit political parties,鉴于政党的自我主义性质
1443clearly there has to be some sort of glue that holds them together,显然一定有某种胶水 把它们粘在一起,
1444a coherent body of ideas, a great joint endeavour, a philosophy, even an ideology.一套连贯的思想,一个伟大的共同努力,一个哲学,甚至一个意识形态.
1445Now, the Labour Party has, of course, the great history工党当然有伟大的历史
1446of the working-class movement and the unions.工人阶级运动和工会。
1447They've got socialism.他们有社会主义.
1448I would suggest they actually owe more to Methodism.我建议他们实际上欠 更多的卫理公会。
1449The Nationalists have the dream of being, once again, a great, wholly independent nation.民族主义者有梦想 再次成为一个伟大的,完全独立的国家。
1450The Liberal Democrats, at least, are held together by a mystical belief in the power of the bar chart.自由民主党人至少被对条形图的力量的神秘信念所牵制.
1451The Conservative Party inherited the entire Whig tradition.保守党继承了整个Whig传统.
1452Indeed, many people would say Maggie was much more of a Whig than she was a Tory.事实上,很多人会说玛姬比起托里,她更像一个威格人。
1453At the same time, they merged with the Liberal Unionists, the National Liberals.同时,他们与自由联盟主义者,国家自由主义者合并.
1454They hold together with some tension the Tory preoccupation with order and tradition,他们与一些紧张 托里关注秩序和传统,
1455whilst at the same time with the classical Liberal free markets, even Libertarianism.同时与古典自由自由市场,甚至自由主义。
1456The Greens have a great cause, intelligence, and if I may say beauty.绿党有伟大的事业,智慧, 如果我可以说美。
1457And what holds together the reformed party?改革后的党又是什么?
1458Rage is not enough.愤怒是不够的。
1459Neither is the restated, often restated, ambition of Nigel Farage奈杰尔·法拉吉的雄心也经常被重申
1460to destroy and replace the Conservative Party.摧毁并取代保守党。
1461The moment they got into Parliament, they already split,他们进入议会的那一刻 他们已经分开了
1462and Rupert went off with his Restore Party.鲁珀特带着他的复活党走了
1463And that split will deny reform the one service that they might have delivered to the nation,而这种分裂将拒绝改革 他们可能为国家提供的唯一服务,
1464namely next week denying us the misery of a premiership from the Mayor of Manchester.也就是下星期否认曼彻斯特市长的首演 给我们带来痛苦
1465Now, given that the judgment of one man is the principal driver of what reform will do,现在,鉴于一个人的判断是改革的主要动力,
1466let us just question that judgment.让我们只是质疑这个判断。
1467Ladies and gentlemen, comrades, I draw your attention to the most egregious statement女士们,先生们,同志们,我提请大家注意 最恶劣的言论
1468by Donald Trump when he was caught on camera expressing the power of his sexual pulling power.被唐纳德·特朗普(Donald Trump)在镜头中抓住,表达他性拉力的力量.
1469And forgive me, Madam Deputy Speaker, but Madam President.原谅我,副议长女士 但总统女士
1470Madam President, but I must quote verbatim.主席女士,但我必须逐字引用。
1471Donald Trump, I just can't start kissing them.唐纳德·特朗普 我只是不能开始亲吻他们
1472I don't even wait.我什至不等着。
1473When you're a star, you can do anything.当是明星时一切法悉能成就.
1474Grab them by the pussy.抓住他们
1475Now, any of the MAGA aficionados at that time quite rightly kept their heads below the parapet.现在,任何MAGA的fociionados 在那个时候, 相当正确地把他们的头 放在伞下。
1476But one British politician stepped forward to defend his friend, Nigel Farage.但是,一位英国政治家挺身而出为他的朋友奈杰尔·法拉吉辩护.
1477I quote, it's the kind of thing, if we are being honest, that men do.我引用,这是那种事情, 如果我们是诚实的, 男人这样做。
1478They sit around, have a drink, and they talk like this.他们围坐着,喝杯酒,然后像这样说话.
1479And he went on and said that women do so as well.他接着说,妇女也这样做。
1480I'm sure you do not, Madam President.我敢肯定,你没有,主席女士。
1481I'm confident that this House doesn't.我相信这房子不会
1482And I expect them to show that they don't in the voting this evening.我希望他们能证明 他们今晚没有参加投票
1483Can I remind all members that they are voting with their feet?我可以提醒所有成员,他们正在用脚投票吗?
1484Thank you very much for that, Sir Desmond.非常感谢你,德斯蒙德爵士。
1485I now look to Jamie McIver to close the case for proposition.我现在期待杰米·麦基弗 结束这个案子
1486Madam President, ladies and gentlemen, well, the state of British politics,总统女士 女士们先生们 英国的政治状况
1487and yes, I do look to this side of the House, fitness to govern.是的,我看着房子的这一边, 适合统治。
1488I'm afraid for honorable speakers opposite,恐怕对面有高贵的扬声器
1489the British people have already answered the question.英国人民已经回答了这个问题。
1490And they have said yes.他们答应了
1491And they have said yes, because Reform UK is already in government.他们答应了,因为改革英国已经执政了。
1492You see, I'm not surprised the members opposite haven't mentioned that.你看,我不感到惊讶的是,对面的成员没有提到这一点。
1493Because of course, their record in local government is so embarrassing,当然,他们在当地政府的记录很尴尬
1494they wouldn't dream to mention it.他们不会梦到提到它。
1495But I will say, both the Liberal Democrats and the Conservatives但我会说 自由民主党和保守党
1496are exceptional in local government.在地方政府中是例外的。
1497They are exceptional at leaving councils in exceptional financial support and difficulty.他们非常例外地将理事会置于特殊的财政支助和困难之中。
1498And indeed, it is thanks to reform councils确实,这要归功于改革理事会
1499that many more councils will not suffer that fate.更多的理事会不会遭受这种命运。
1500But I do have to ask the question about fitness.但我确实要问 关于健身的问题。
1501You see, fitness can mean one of two things.你看,健身可以指两点之一。
1502It might mean your ability to do well in the gym,这也许意味着你在健身房做得很好
1503or it might indeed mean your ability to find the perfect fit.也可能意味着你有能力找到合适的地方
1504And I don't mean in a romantic way.我不是说浪漫
1505Maybe when you're in Ikea.也许当你在池州。
1506You see, you need to find that unit that fits perfectly.你看,你需要找到 适合完美的单位。
1507Don't worry about the old furniture in a house, just turn a blind eye to that.不要担心家里的旧家具,只是对它视而不见。
1508Find the unit that fits.找到合适的单位
1509But the problem for the members opposite and the parties opposite但对于对面的成员和对面的人来说
1510is the British people aren't looking for a fit.英国人民并不在意
1511They are looking for a fix.他们正在寻找一个固定。
1512The entire country needs to be fixed.全国需要整顿.
1513And the only way you do that with a home is to completely renovate it.只有彻底整修房子才能做到这一点。
1514That's what we will do, and that's what a reform government will look like,这就是我们要做的,一个改革政府 看起来像,
1515just like we are doing in local government.就像我们在地方政府一样
1516And it will start with the basics.从基础开始。
1517Being house proud, just like we are doing with our civic duties in local government.就像我们在地方政府中履行公民义务一样。
1518Civic pride.公民自豪感。
1519It starts with the flags that fly.始于飞旗.
1520I'll give way shortly.我马上让路
1521It starts with the flags that fly from reform town halls.它从改革市政厅的旗帜开始.
1522Only the English flag, the county flags, and the flag of the United Kingdom.只有英国国旗,郡旗,英国国旗.
1523No divisive flags fly from our council.没有分裂的旗帜来自我们的议会。
1524I will give way.我会让路。
1525Does that justify spending hours in council meetings talking about flags这是否应该花几个小时在议会会议上谈论旗帜?
1526and Lord's Prayer and national anthems主的祷告和国歌
1527and then not discussing things like the massive water crisis that we face?而不讨论诸如我们面临的大规模水危机之类的事情?
1528Yes, it does.没错
1529Yes, it does, because if Reform UK do anything,是的,因为如果改革英国做任何事情,
1530if it is to restore this country back to being a proud Christian country如果是为了让这个国家重新成为一个骄傲的基督教国家
1531that flies its flag with pride,他们骄傲地升起自己的国旗,
1532then absolutely it's time well spent, and the British people will agree.英国人民会同意
1533So let's look at our record in local government.让我们看看我们在地方政府的记录。
1534I'm going to make some progress.我要取得一些进展。
1535Let's look at our record in local government.我们看看我们在地方政府的记录
1536Send something that the parties opposite have failed on.送出对方失败的东西
1537Back logs, gone.后面的木头,不见了。
1538Wait times for ECHPs, halved.等待时间为ECHP,减半.
1539Matter of public record.公开记录的事
1540Just look at Northamptonshire.看看北安普顿郡
1541You mentioned social housing nominated for most improved council你提到社会住房 提名为大多数改善的议会
1542when it comes to social housing thanks to a new reform administration.在社会住房方面,由于新的改革政府。
1543看看Lancashire, 家里到学校的交通。
1544£3.8 million saved by giving children better transport to school,给孩子们更好的上学交通工具节省了380万英镑,
1545reallocated to highways to bring civic pride to a part of the country重新布置在高速公路上,为该国某一地区带来公民自豪感
1546that have been completely ignored by the Tory party.被托里党完全忽视了
1547And then just look at our fiscal prudence.然后看看我们的财政谨慎。
1548I mentioned the exceptional financial hardship我提到非常的经济困难
1549that the Conservative Party and the Liberal Democrats left local government.保守党和自由民主党离开了地方政府。
1550Soon, the great people of London will see in their London boroughs很快,伟大的伦敦人民会在伦敦的街区看到
1551how the Green Party will soon destroy their finances.绿党将如何很快摧毁他们的财政。
1552In Kent, you mentioned Kent, where, by the way,在肯特,你提到肯特, 顺便说一句,
1553the Reform Party won not one but two but three by-elections from the Green Party改革党赢得绿党的补选,不是一次而是两次,而是三次
1554because the people of Kent have woken up to the fact that socialism doesn't work.因为肯特人民已经觉醒了社会主义行不通的事实.
1555But the Green Party are not socialism.但是绿党不是社会主义.
1556The Green Party are not socialism.绿党不是社会主义.
1557The Green Party are division and extremism绿党是分裂和极端主义
1558and they must be stamped out of British politics.他们必须被赶出英国政治
1559I'll give way.我会让路。
1560How can Morton Newton take your friend back with him?莫顿·牛顿怎么能带着你的朋友回去?
1561One word, sectarism.一个字,教派主义.
1562Now, I'll move on to our financial prudence, something I'm very proud of.现在,我将转向我们的财政谨慎, 我非常自豪的事情。
1563If you take Kent alone, £144 million wiped off the debt,如果你把肯特一个人,1.44亿英镑擦掉债务,
1564leaving the debt now at the Council to be £590 million把现在欠安理会的债务留给5.9亿英镑
1565rather than £732 million inherited.而不是继承了7.32亿英镑。
1566By the way, that saves £1.2 million a year on interest alone.顺便说一下,光靠利息一年就节省120万英镑.
1567That's the difference a Reform Council makes.这就是改革理事会的区别。
1568And why is that?为什么?
1569Because 88% of our councillors are not career politicians.因为88%的议员不是职业政治家。
1570They've never even been a member of a political party.他们甚至从未参加过政党.
1571They are the people that the Uni Party have let down.他们是统一党已经失望的人。
1572And it's not just people that have been let down by the Uni Party.不仅有人被统一党失望了
1573Look at all the students in here.看看这里所有的学生
1574You're still feeling the hangover from the previous coalition government你仍然感觉 宿醉 从前联合政府
1575where the Liberal Democrats totally took the mick out the student vote自由民主党完全取消了学生投票
1576and you're all paying for it.你们都要付出代价
1577Now, let's look at net zero, the nonsense, the stupidity.现在,让我们看看净零,废话,愚蠢。
1578Which is costing our country a fortune这花了我们国家一大笔钱
1579and leaving hardworking families in misery.使辛勤工作的家庭陷入困境。
1580But I tell you something,但我告诉你,
1581the Green Party don't care about families going to food banks,绿党不在乎 家庭去食品银行,
1582but Reform UK do.但改革英国
1583That's why we've saved £39 million in Kent alone所以我们在肯特省了3900万英镑
1584by getting rid of the ridiculous net zero commitments of that council.取消那个理事会的荒谬的零承诺
1585Now, I couldn't talk about governance locally现在,我不能谈论 治理的地方
1586if I didn't talk about the state of our roads.如果我没有谈论我们道路的状况。
1587Anybody that has been to anywhere去过任何地方的人
1588that the Conservative Party have run or the Liberal Democrats,保守党已经运行或自由民主党,
1589well, let me tell you that in Nottinghamshire we have a UK first.好吧,让我告诉你,在诺丁汉郡 我们有一个英国第一。
1590The biggest investment in road infrastructure对道路基础设施的最大投资
1591in the history of local government in Britain.在英国地方政府的历史上
1592That's what Reform do in government.改革在政府中就是这样做的.
1593I'll give way.我会让路。
1594Unfortunately not, but nice try.可惜没有,但不错的尝试。
1595I hate to tell you that's not the reason.我不想告诉你这不是原因
1596Now, across the country, across the world,现在,全国,全世界,
1597we have British overseas territories.我们有英国海外领地。
1598And I appreciate the members opposite我很感激大家反对
1599would like to give them away in a heartbeat,想在心跳中把他们送走,
1600hard thoughtful by many servicemen of this country这个国家的很多军人都深思熟虑
1601to whom we must honour and remember.我们必须纪念和缅怀他们。
1602The same people that also we remember wearing poppies,和我们记得穿罂粟的人一样
1603which some members of parties opposite don't also do.反面的党员不这样做。
1604But let me tell you something.但让我告诉你一件事。
1605We have overseas territories across the world.我们在世界各地都有海外领地。
1606And when you go to one,当你去一个,
1607you feel you get a sense of what it's like to be in Britain.感觉你对英国的感受有感觉
1608And in Britain today, we have a new type of territory.而在今天的英国,我们拥有一种新的领土类型.
1609And it's places that were allowed to vote.也是被允许投票的地方.
1610Places, let's never forget that the Labour地方,我们永远不要忘记工党
1611and the Conservative Party tried to cancel elections.保守党试图取消选举。
1612But where people were able to vote,但当人们能够投票时,
1613we now have turquoise territories.我们现在有绿宝石领地。
1614Last year, there was 12 of them.去年有十二门.
1615This year, there are 34 of them.今年有三十四门.
1616So if you're wondering whether the British people所以,如果你想知道 英国人民
1617believe that Reform can govern,相信改革可以管理,
1618just look at the result of the election.看看选举结果
161912 turquoise territories to 34 turquoise territories.12个绿地至34个绿地.
1620I'll give way.我会让路。
1621I believe it's democracy,我相信这是民主,
1622and I appreciate some people don't like it,我很感激有些人不喜欢它,
1623but the outcome of it was a Reform win但结果却是改革胜利
1624and a huge Reform win from 1,000 councils to 2,300 and something.和巨大的改革赢得 从1000个理事会到2,300等等。
1625I'm going to make some progress.我要取得一些进展。
1626So when we talk about Reform being ready for government,所以,当我们谈论改革 为政府做好准备,
1627let's just remind ourselves让我们提醒自己
1628why Reform are in a position to be ready for government.为什么改革能够为政府做好准备。
1629It is the failure of the political class and establishment,这是政治阶层和机构的失败,
1630the failure of parliament to represent,议会未能代表,
1631and the failure of political parties to govern this country.以及政党未能治理这个国家。
1632We heard earlier of my friend Siobhan White,我们之前听说我的朋友西奥布汉·怀特
1633她女儿Rhiannon White的悲剧
1634stabbed in the head, killed on her way home from work,被刺中头部,在下班回家的路上被杀,
1635left to die at the station where she was going home to see her son.死在她回家看儿子的车站
1636That is the legacy of what the Conservative Party这就是保守党的遗产
1637and the Labour Party have done to Britain.工党对英国也做了
1638They have fundamentally broken Britain,他们从根本上打破了英国
1639leaving British citizens to bleed in the streets from murders让英国公民在街上流血 因为谋杀
1640from people that should never have been in this country in the first place.从那些本来就不该在这个国家的人那里
1641Not everybody that comes to Britain is a bad person,不是每个来英国的人都是个坏人
1642but a bad country doesn't control its borders.但一个坏国家控制不了边界
1643So ladies and gentlemen,女士们,先生们,
1644Madam Vice President, let me say this to you.副总统女士,让我告诉你这一点。
1645We as a country have a choice in the next election,我们作为一个国家,在下次选举中有一个选择,
1646and I believe the choice is very clear, save Britain or lose Britain.我相信选择非常明确 拯救英国或失去英国
1647It is time for the entire United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland现在是整个大不列颠及北爱尔兰联合王国的时候了。
1648to be a turquoise territory.成为一块绿地
1649It is time for reform, and we are the fit to fix this country,现在是改革的时候了,我们是修复这个国家的合适者,
1650and we are also ready to govern.我们也准备治理。
1651And in the great words of my former MP for Epping Forest, Winston Churchill,以我前任议员的赞誉 温斯顿·丘吉尔
1652I will leave this to my colleagues to always bear in mind.我将让同事们永远铭记这一点。
1653Success is not final.成功并非最终结果。
1654Failure is not fatal.失败不是致命的。
1655It is the courage to continue that counts.继续这样做的勇气至关重要。
1656We have the courage to save Britain.我们有勇气拯救英国
1657The British people have the courage to save Britain,英国人民有勇气拯救英国
1658and by God, we will save Britain.上帝保佑我们拯救英国
1659Thank you.谢谢
1660Thank you for that speech.谢谢你的演讲
1661I now call upon the final speaker on opposition,我现在请最后一名反对者发言。
1662Councillor Rachel Millward, deputy leader of the Green Party.绿党副领袖瑞秋·米尔沃德议员.
1663Thank you very much.谢谢
1664Madam President, honourable members, good people of this House,主席女士,尊敬的成员,本院的好人,
1665thank you for staying so long.谢谢你留下来这么久。
1666If you can still remember what Ben on the proposition said right at the beginning,如果你仍然能记得本在开始的时候所说的
1667he actually talked immediately about the anger, the fear,他实际上立即谈到愤怒,恐惧,
1668the frustration of the British public today.今天英国公众的挫折感。
1669I agree, actually, with much of that.我同意,实际上, 与大部分。
1670And yet, we look at this premise and think,然而,我们看着这个前提,想,
1671what does make a political party fit to govern?是什么使一个政党适合执政?
1672We need leaders we can trust to tell the truth,我们需要能信任的领导人来说实话
1673with clear values and vision.有着明确的价值观和远见。
1674Otherwise, who knows where they're leaders?否则,谁知道他们在哪里?
1675A party with a solid evidence-based plan for leading the nation一个有实实在在的 领导国家计划的政党
1676to the best possible life for the majority,以便大多数人过上最美好的生活,
1677with a stable economy that supports well-being and prosperity for all.经济稳定,支持所有人的福祉和繁荣。
1678And above all, a government that will keep our people safe.最重要的是 一个能保护我们人民安全的政府
1679Sounds right?听起来对吗?
1680On national safety, then.那么,关于国家安全。
1681Let's not forget Farage's response to the unnecessary illegal war别忘了法拉吉对不必要非法战争的反应
1682that Trump is raging on Iran.特朗普对伊朗肆虐
1683The moment it started, he declared,开始的那一刻,他宣布,
1684we should do all we can to support the operation.我们应该尽全力支持行动
1685That we are part of this, with the Americans and the Israelis我们是其中的一部分 美国人和以色列人
1686leaping into wars without justification,毫无理由地跳入战争,
1687at huge expense and enormous risk.以巨大的代价和巨大的风险。
1688At the whim and the behest of Trump and Netanyahu.在特朗普和内塔尼亚胡的任意和授意下.
1689That is not national security.这不是国家安全。
1690That's recklessness.这是鲁莽。
1691The war in Iran has also shown us that national security伊朗的战争也向我们表明国家安全
1692is inextricably linked to energy.与能源密不可分。
1693National security is threatened by dependency on fossil fuels依赖化石燃料威胁到国家安全
1694linked to unstable nations in the Middle East.与中东不稳定国家有关。
1695Reform would have us abandon the climate targets改革会让我们放弃气候目标
1696that will deliver us energy sovereignty.这将给我们带来能源主权。
1697It's economically illiterate.经济不识字.
1698The Office of...办公室...
1699Yes.
1700Thank you.谢谢
1701That is a misunderstanding.这是一个误解。
1702Thank you for the point.谢谢你的指点。
1703It's a misunderstanding.这是误会
1704If we got more gas and oil from the North Sea,如果我们从北海得到更多的天然气和石油
1705it's a misunderstanding what happens.发生的事是个误会
1706It goes on the international market.它进入国际市场。
1707It doesn't come domestically.国内不传.
1708It's also a very small reserve which will be gone soon.这也是一个非常小的储备 很快就会消失的
1709Actually, there was a report that came out just last week,事实上,上周有份报告说
1710I think it was, that said, in fact,我认为,那是说,事实上,
1711if reforms policies went ahead and we did...如果改革政策继续下去,我们做到了...
1712We stopped net zero that the impact on employment我们停止了净零 影响就业
1713across Scotland would be devastating.整个苏格兰都将是毁灭性的。
1714So in fact, it is economic illiteracy.因此,事实上,它是经济文盲。
1715In fact, the Office of Budget Responsibility事实上,预算责任办公室
1716has calculated that sticking with fossil fuels through to 2050计算到2050年
1717costs double what transitioning off them would.成本是他们过渡的两倍
1718But reform love a bit of flat earth climate denialism.但改革喜欢一点平坦的地球气候否定主义.
1719Their draft manifesto contained nonsense like他们的宣言草稿里有胡说八道
1720up to 10 times more people die of cold than warmth.死于寒冷的人数是温暖的十倍
1721In Rome and Britain, 2000 years ago, it was two degrees warmer.在2000年前的罗马和英国,温度上升了两度。
1722Grapes for wine were grown in Yorkshire.约克郡种植葡萄酿酒.
1723This is all true.这一切都是真的。
1724Ridiculous.荒谬.
1725Ridiculous, no.荒谬,不。
1726But nothing to do with climate change.但与气候变化无关。
1727A total misunderstanding is ridiculous.完全误解是荒谬的。
1728It's ignorance.是无知.
1729But friends, it is dangerous.但是朋友,这是危险的。
1730This January, a national security assessment今年1月,国家安全评估
1731compiled by the Joint Intelligence Committee联合情报委员会汇编
1732on which sit the heads of MI5 and MI6上面是军情五处和军情六处的头像
1733concluded that every critical ecosystem得出的结论是,每一个关键生态系统
1734is on a pathway to collapse.正在崩溃的路上
1735that conflict and military escalation will become more likely as nations冲突与军事升级的可能性
1736compete for food, for water and for arable land.竞争粮食、水和可耕地。
1737This report was due to be这份报告本应提交
1738published in October.10月出版。
1739The government buried it because its conclusions were政府埋葬它是因为它的结论
1740too negative.太负面了
1741Our own security services are telling us that we face an我们自己的安全部门告诉我们 我们面对的是
1742existential threat and reforms answer Roman wine in Yorkshire.生存威胁和改革在约克郡回答了罗马葡萄酒.
1743But you know I不过你知道我
1744guess you have to, you have to, when your 2.4 million pound donation comes or我猜你必须,你必须, 当你的240万英镑捐赠来或
17452.4 million pounds of your donations come from people who240万英镑的捐赠来自
1746dispute basic scientific facts about climate change.关于气候变化的基本科学事实存在争议。
1747And when 24 million当2400万
1748pounds, 67% of your donations come from people with interests in fossil fuels.67%的捐款来自对化石燃料感兴趣的人
1749Of course reforms preference for impulsive international aggression will当然,改革对冲动国际侵略的偏好会
1750create and would create millions more forcibly displaced people across the造成数百万被迫流离失所者,并将造成
1751world.这个世界
1752People they would further demonise and maybe that's what they他们会进一步妖魔化 也许这就是他们
1753want.想要吗?
1754They are hell-bent on undermining the principle of sanctuary, something we他们一心想破坏圣所的原则,我们
1755Brits have been proud to offer.英国人很自豪地提出来。
1756Tens of million peoples in the UK were born英国数千万人口出生
1757overseas or children of people who were.海外或曾经的孩子们
1758Our friends, our neighbours, our我们的朋友,我们的邻居,我们的
1759colleagues, the people who staff our NHS, the people who teach our children.同事,我们国家卫生局的工作人员, 教我们孩子的人。
1760Yet不过
1761reform would have ICE style mass deportation.改革将使ICE风格的大规模驱逐。
1762Policies that would将采取的政策
1763literally rip our country apart, unleashing social and economic chaos.造成社会和经济混乱
1764It's a party whose leader has blatantly incited racially motivated violence on这个政党的领导人公然煽动出于种族动机的暴力
1765streets, bidding people to respond to horrendous tragedy with pure cold rage.要求人们用冷酷的愤怒来应对可怕的悲剧。
1766And so we have riots and words matter.所以我们有暴动 和言语很重要。
1767This party does not care about our safety.这个派对不在乎我们的安全
1768And I'll tell you who else who has good reason to feel unsafe, women.我会告诉你还有谁有理由感到不安全 女人
1769This is a这个是
1770party that would repeal the Equalities Act on day one.将在第一天废除《平等法》的政党。
1771Reform has a woman改革有一个女人
1772problem.问题。
1773Absolutely absurd.简直荒谬
1774Reform has a woman problem.改革存在妇女的问题。
1775And Matt, as you talked马特,就像你说的
1776about, you talked about horrendous abuse of women.有关,你谈到 可怕的虐待妇女。
1777But we know that the vast但我们知道,巨大的
1778majority of women who suffer abuse at the hands of men, it is men that they受男子虐待的大多数妇女都是男子。
1779know, often their partners.经常是他们的搭档
1780Farage has repeatedly called for the 24 week法拉吉屡次呼吁24周
1781abortion limit to be cut, working with the American Christian right group that与美国基督教右派团体合作
1782帮助推翻了Roe v Wade.
1783Farage describes Andrew Tate as an important法拉吉形容安德鲁·泰特是重要的
1784voice for young men.年轻人的声音。
1785And Matt, your proposal of a reverse child benefit,马特,你提出的反向子女津贴
1786which would tax, which would see childless women paying higher taxes.税会让没有孩子的妇女交更多的税。
1787These are not the politics of a party that governs for everyone.这不是一个政党的政治 管理每个人。
1788These are the这些是
1789parts, the politics of control.部分,控制的政治。
1790I think I'm allowed two points of information.我想我可以提供两点信息。
1791I think that point is factually inaccurate.我认为这一点事实上是不准确的。
1792I wrote a blog based on the我写了一个基于
1793Can I ask that you sit down?我能请你坐下吗?
1794Thank you.谢谢
1795Now, the economy, where the mask really现在,经济,其中的面具真的
1796slips.单子。
1797Farage gave us Brexit.法拉吉给了我们Brexit。
1798Championed for decades, sold on a fantasy, a赢得了数十年的冠军 在幻想中销量
1799demonstrable economic disaster.明显的经济灾难。
1800It's reduced trade, labor shortages, a decade贸易减少 劳动力短缺 十年
1801of stagnation, ordinary people paying the price while he moved on to the next停滞,普通人付出的代价 而他继续前进到下一个
1802thing.东西。
1803然后Liz Trust, 当Liz Trust炸毁了经济,
1804pound, sending mortgages, soaring, Farage called it the best conservative磅,送抵押贷款,飞涨,法拉吉称之为最好的保守派
1805budget since 1986.1986年以来的预算。
1806There's a pattern here.这里有个模式
1807Their real agenda hidden behind他们的真正目的隐藏在背后
1808anti-immigration rhetoric is something voters will reject as they see it.反移民言论是选民会拒绝的,
1809The那个
1810UK's biggest problem is inequality.英国最大的问题是不平等。
1811The mind blowing reality that the top 50思想吹动现实 前50
1812families in this country haven't been able to hold the wealth of the bottom这个国家的家族 一直无法掌握底层的财富
181350%。 50%。
1814Now, reform, I've got too many, reform on that to continue and to get现在,改革,我有太多, 改革,继续和得到
1815worse.更惨
1816A 10 point cut in corporation tax, tax relief on private schools and公司税减少10个百分点,私立学校减税;
1817private healthcare, a proposal to allow wealthy non-domiciles to avoid tax私人保健,一项允许富人免税的建议
1818altogether in return for a one-off payment, a transfer of £34 billion from全部作为一次性付款的回报,从
1819the public straight to the wealthy while they'd slash public sector pensions公众直接向富人倾斜 而他们削减公共部门的养老金
1820affecting 9 million workers, strip benefits from hundreds of thousands of成千上万工人的脱衣福利
1821people and bring more privatisation into the NHS.将更多的私有化纳入国民保健体系。
1822Once you accept that this is a一旦你承认这是
1823party which values the super rich above everyone else, the question of integrity以超富人为重的政党 正直的问题
1824answers itself.自己来回答
1825It's no surprise that Farage, by far the highest earning MP in法拉吉是目前收入最高的国会议员
1826Parliament, has racked up more than one and a half million pounds on top of his议会,已经把一百五十多万英镑 压在他头上
1827salary in 18 months.18个月工资。
1828And he's under investigation, we know about these他正在接受调查 我们知道这些
1829donations.捐赠。
1830But be in no doubt, when it comes to a conflict of interest between但毫无疑问,当涉及到利益冲突时
1831what makes their donors wealthier and what is best for public good, the money是什么使他们的捐赠者更富有 和什么是最好的公益,钱
1832will always win.永远赢
1833It isn't corruption, says the people, says the men who talked这不是腐败,人民说, 说话的人
1834on and on and on.不断不断.
1835It isn't corruption despite their values, it's corruption这不是腐败 尽管他们的价值观,这是腐败
1836entirely consistent with their values.完全符合他们的价值观。
1837A party so violently obsessed with the派对太暴力了
1838interests of a vanishingly small elite that they will compromise on science,一个消失的小精英的利益 他们将会损害科学,
1839stir up violence and risk national security for moments of macho, they are激起暴力,冒着国家安全的风险,为大男子主义的时刻,他们是
1840categorically not fit to govern and I urge you to vote against this motion.我敦促你投票反对这项动议。
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