【牛津辩论】911事件被武器化以扩张美利坚帝国？

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0:07	Ladies and gentlemen of the house, good evening.	女士们先生们,晚上好
0:12	On the morning of September 11th, 2001, the world watched as a clear blue sky tore open,	2001年9月11日早晨, 全世界看到一片晴朗的蓝天撕裂,
0:19	watched steel collapse, watched glass fall like rain, watched thousands swallowed in	看着钢铁倒塌看着玻璃像雨倒看着成千上万人吞下
0:26	smoke and fire and dust.	烟火尘埃.
0:29	What broke that day was not only the skyline of New York, but the sense that the world	那天打破的不仅是纽约的天际线, 也是世界
0:35	was safe, predictable and comprehensible.	是安全的、可预测的和可以理解的。
0:40	Tonight, I will argue three things.	今晚,我将辩论三件事。
0:43	First, that the response to 9-11, both at home and abroad, was wildly disproportionate	首先,在国内外对9-11的反应是极其不成比例的。
0:50	to its stated aims.	实现既定目标。
0:52	Second, that this response was not an innocent mistake, but an opportunistic project driven	第二,这种反应并不是一个无辜的错误,而是一个机会主义项目驱动的。

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1	Ladies and gentlemen of the house, good evening.	女士们先生们,晚上好
2	On the morning of September 11th, 2001, the world watched as a clear blue sky tore open,	2001年9月11日早晨, 全世界看到一片晴朗的蓝天撕裂,
3	watched steel collapse, watched glass fall like rain, watched thousands swallowed in	看着钢铁倒塌看着玻璃像雨倒看着成千上万人吞下
4	smoke and fire and dust.	烟火尘埃.
5	What broke that day was not only the skyline of New York, but the sense that the world	那天打破的不仅是纽约的天际线, 也是世界
6	was safe, predictable and comprehensible.	是安全的、可预测的和可以理解的。
7	Tonight, I will argue three things.	今晚,我将辩论三件事。
8	First, that the response to 9-11, both at home and abroad, was wildly disproportionate	首先,在国内外对9-11的反应是极其不成比例的。
9	to its stated aims.	实现既定目标。
10	Second, that this response was not an innocent mistake, but an opportunistic project driven	第二,这种反应并不是一个无辜的错误,而是一个机会主义项目驱动的。
11	by ambition, corruption and imperial strategy.	由野心,腐败和帝国主义的策略。
12	Third, that in trying to expand American power, the United States weakened itself,	第三,在试图扩大美国权力时,美国削弱了自己,
13	and the American people paid that cost.	美国人民也为此付出了代价。
14	But, before I outline my case, it is my honor, and indeed my duty, to introduce the speakers	但是,在我陈述我的案件之前,我很荣幸,而且我有责任介绍发言者
15	to side opposition.	支持反对派
16	Firstly, you shall hear from Aksana Soltan, our wonderful Director of Media here at the	首先,你将听到来自阿克萨纳索尔坦, 我们杰出的媒体主任在这里
17	Union.	联盟。
18	Aksana is a UN legal fellow, an international lawyer, an Eisenhower scholar and a good friend.	Aksana是一名联合国法律研究员、一名国际律师、一名艾森豪威尔学者和一位好朋友。
19	Her work focuses on gender justice, human rights and shaping the international legal	她的工作重点是性别公正、人权和塑造国际法律。
20	order.	秩序。秩序。
21	With publications in leading law journals and citations in UN special reporters, she	在主要法律期刊上发表文章,并在联合国特别记者中引用
22	spends her days analyzing global power structures and her evenings writing them.	花几天时间分析全球权力结构,
23	Next, you will hear from Peter Bergen, CNN's national security analyst, bestselling author	接下来,你将会听到彼得·伯根,CNN的国家安全分析师,畅销作家
24	and a man who has spent so long writing about Osama Bin Laden that one sometimes wonders	和一个为乌萨马·本·拉登写了这么长时间的人
25	whether he was there as a journalist or there as an unofficial biographer.	无论是作为记者还是非正式传记作者
26	His books include The Holy War, The Osama Bin Laden I Know, Manhunt and The Rise and	他的著作包括"神圣战争","我认识的乌萨马·本·拉登","曼洪特"和"崛起"和"我认识的本·拉登".
27	Fall of Osama Bin Laden.	乌萨马·本·拉丹的沦陷。
28	Peter conducted Bin Laden's first ever televised interview in 1997 and has since explained	彼得在1997年进行了本·拉登的首次电视访谈,并随后解释了
29	the war on terror to Washington so many times he has testified before Congress 18 times.	华盛顿的反恐战争他向国会作证了18次
30	So if anyone here can tell you with a straight face that 9-11 wasn't weaponized to expand	所以如果这里有人能直面告诉你 9 -11没有武器来扩张
31	American power, it's the man who has documented every single way it has.	美国的强权就是他以各种方式记录下来的
32	Following him is Michael Laiter, former director of the U.S. National Counterterrorism Center,	紧随其后的是美国国家反恐中心前主任迈克尔·莱特尔(Michael Laiter).
33	Supreme Court clerk, president of the Harvard Law Review, Navy flight officer and the proud	最高法院书记官、哈佛法律评论会主席、海军飞行军官和骄傲者
34	owner of more security clearances than most of us have had hot dinners.	安全许可的拥有者比我们大多数人都吃过热饭
35	He served both President Bush and President Obama.	他为布什总统和奥巴马总统服务。
36	He helped reform half of Washington's intelligence architecture and later joined Palantir to	他帮助改革华盛顿的一半情报架构,后来加入帕兰蒂尔.
37	advise on national security.	国家安全咨询。
38	If you're wondering whether 9-11 was used to expand the American empire, Michael is	如果你想知道9 -11是否被用来扩大美帝国,迈克尔
39	uniquely qualified.	独一无二的资格。
40	He spent years inside the very machinery that expanded it.	他花了很多年在扩张机器的机器里
41	Lastly, Michael Shertoff, former secretary of homeland security, former federal judge,	最后,迈克尔·谢托夫,前国土安全秘书,前联邦法官,
42	co-author of the U.S. Patriot Act, prosecutor of the Mafia, investigator of the Clintons	美国《爱国者法》共同起草人、黑手党检察官、克林顿家族调查员
43	and advisor to the CIA on interrogation policy.	和中情局的审讯政策顾问
44	Since leaving office, he has founded a security firm so packed with former intelligence officials	自从离职后,他建立了一家保安公司里面有很多前情报人员
45	that it practically functions as a government in exile.	它实际上作为一个流亡政府运作。
46	If there is a reason in this chamber, if there is a person in this chamber who embodies the	如果本会议厅内有任何理由,如果本会议厅内有一人代表着
47	policy world built after 9-11, it's Michael Shertoff.	9 -11之后建成的政策世界是迈克尔·谢托夫
48	Mr. President, these are your guest speakers tonight and they are most welcome.	主席先生,这是你今晚的特邀发言者,他们非常受欢迎。
49	One month after the attacks, the Taliban refused to hand over Osama bin Laden and President	袭击发生一个月后,塔利班拒绝交出乌萨马·本·拉丹和总统。
50	Bush declared war on Afghanistan.	布什向阿富汗宣战.
51	The aim, we were told, simple, destroy Al Qaeda, remove the Taliban and make America safe.	我们被告知,目标很简单,摧毁基地组织,消灭塔利班,使美国安全。
52	But this was not a manhunt.	但这不是追捕
53	It was not a targeted raid.	这不是一次有针对性的袭击。
54	It was war, a project to remake a nation.	这是战争,一个重建国家的项目。
55	A war that lasted 20 years, cost $2 trillion, killed tens of thousands of civilians.	这场战争持续了20年,耗资2万亿美元,造成数万平民丧生.
56	A war to vanquish the Taliban, only for the Taliban to return in just 10 days after American	一场击败塔利班的战争只有塔利班在美国之后十天内回来
57	withdrawal.	退约。
58	20 years of sacrifice, undone in 10 days of advance.	20年的牺牲提前10天就结束了
59	And if Afghanistan was a tragedy, Iraq was a crime.	如果阿富汗是悲剧,伊拉克是犯罪。
60	Iraq had no role in 9-11.	伊拉克在9-11年没有发挥作用。
61	Iraq had no Al Qaeda sanctuary.	伊拉克没有基地组织的避难所。
62	Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction.	伊拉克没有大规模毁灭性武器。
63	Yet in 2003, the US Secretary of State held up a small vial and presented the world with	然而在2003年,美国国务卿举起一个小瓶子,向世界介绍
64	a large lie.	一个很大的谎言。
65	On that lie, America launched a second war against Iraq.	在这个谎言上,美国对伊拉克发动了第二次战争。
66	Americans were told it was preventative.	美国人被告知它是预防性的。
67	They were told it was democracy.	他们被告知这是民主。
68	They were told it was for their safety.	他们被告知是为了安全
69	They were not misinformed.	他们没有被错误告知。
70	They were not misled.	他们没有被误导。
71	They were lied to.	他们被骗了
72	Half a million Iraqi civilians dead.	50万伊拉克平民丧生。
73	Thousands of American soldiers killed.	数以千计的美国士兵被杀.
74	More than the number of civilians who died on 9-11.	超过9·11战死的平民人数.
75	ISIS rising from the rubble.	伊斯兰国从废墟中崛起。
76	A country shattered beyond recognition.	一个国家被打破了
77	Members, that is not security.	成员们,这不是安全。
78	It is not justice.	这不是正义。
79	It is imperial overreach.	这是帝国主义的过度扩张。
80	If we are to honor the dead, we must confront not only the failures after 9-11, but the	如果我们要纪念死者,我们不仅必须面对9 -11之后的失败,而且必须面对
81	failures before it too.	失败之前。
82	The CIA knew Al Qaeda operatives were in the United States before 9-11.	CIA知道基地组织特工在9 -11之前在美国
83	The FBI knew extremists were training in flight schools.	联邦调查局知道极端分子在飞行学校训练
84	Foreign intelligence services warned of an impending attack.	外国情报部门警告即将发动攻击。
85	Information was not shared.	没有分享信息。
86	Threats were not connected.	威胁没有关联。
87	And action was not taken.	但没有采取行动。
88	And what was the consequence of this catastrophic failure?	这次灾难性失败的后果是什么?
89	Accountability?	问责制?
90	None.	无。
91	Reform?	改革?
92	None.	无。
93	The agencies that failed were rewarded.	失败的机构得到了奖励。
94	Their budgets ballooned.	他们的预算飙升。
95	Their power was expanded.	他们的权力被扩大。
96	Their leaders stayed in post and the American people paid the price.	他们的领导人留在岗位上,美国人民付出了代价。
97	Some reforms were reasonable.	一些改革是合理的。
98	Better intelligence sharing, federalized airport security, improved emergency responses.	更好的情报共享,联邦化的机场安全,更好的应急反应.
99	But two wars were not a reasonable response.	但两次战争不是合理的对策。
100	They were not necessary.	它们没有必要。
101	They were not acts of justice.	它们不是正义行为。
102	They were declarations of ambition.	他们是野心宣言。
103	While America bombed abroad, it rewrote the rules at home.	当美国轰炸国外时,它改写了国内的规则.
104	A month after 9-11, Congress passed the USA Patriot Act, a law that radically expanded	911年后一个月国会通过了《美国爱国者法案》这部法律大幅扩展
105	domestic surveillance.	国内监控。
106	Some say that act was merely preventative.	有人说,这种行为只是预防性的。
107	But tell that to the teenagers whose phones were tapped without warrant.	但告诉那些电话被无证窃听的青少年
108	Tell that to the families whose homes were secretly searched without judicial oversight.	告诉那些未经司法监督被秘密搜查的家庭。
109	Tell that to the parents whose financial, medical and personal records were seized unlawfully.	告诉那些财务、医疗和个人记录被非法没收的父母。
110	Americans were owed privacy and it was stolen.	美国人的隐私被偷了
111	They were owed freedom and it was violated.	他们应当享有自由,并遭到侵犯。
112	They were owed due process and it was erased.	他们必须经过适当的程序,并且被删除。
113	And then came the CIA's transformation.	然后CIA的转变来了.
114	Guantanamo Bay, black sites, rendition, torture memos, waterboarding, a method prosecuted	关塔那摩海湾,黑点,引渡,酷刑备忘录,水上,一种方法被起诉
115	as a war crime in 1945, rebranded by America as enhanced interrogation.	1945年作为战争罪被美国重新命名为强化审讯.
116	This was not protection.	这不是保护。
117	This was not defense.	这不是防御。
118	This was empire unleashed.	这是帝国的统治
119	In the late 1990s, neoconservatives formed the project for the new American century,	在1990年代后期,新保守主义者形成了新美国世纪的项目,
120	writing to Bill Clinton in 1998, urging the United States to reshape the Middle East,	1998年写信给比尔·克林顿,敦促美国重塑中东,
121	have stronger military occupation abroad and remove Saddam Hussein.	在海外有更强大的军事占领,并赶走萨达姆·侯赛因。
122	Ten of its 23 founders entered the Bush administration, including his own vice president.	其23个创始人中有10个进入布什政府,包括自己的副总统.
123	They had a plan and 9-11 became their pretext.	他们有一个计划,9 -11成为他们的借口。
124	President Bush's approval rating soared to 90%.	布什总统的批准率飙升到90%.
125	Wrapped in the flag, dissent was painted as betrayal.	持不同政见者被描绘成背叛
126	The public was told this was for their safety.	公众被告知这是为了他们的安全
127	No, it was for their political careers.	不,那是他们的政治生涯
128	They were told it was for security.	他们被告知是为了安全
129	It was for their power.	这是为他们的力量。
130	They were told it was for justice.	他们被告知是为了正义
131	It was for the political ambition dressed in the language of grief.	这是为了用悲伤的语言表达政治野心。
132	Who truly gained?	谁真的赢了?
133	George Bush and Tony Blair, whose popularity surged.	乔治·布什和托尼·布莱尔的受欢迎程度激增.
134	Defense contractors, KBR, Lockheed Martin, whose profits exploded.	国防承包商KBR,洛克希德马丁,其利润爆炸.
135	Oil field service companies granted new access and intelligence agencies whose budgets ballooned.	油田服务公司准许新的进入和情报机构,其预算暴涨。
136	But who paid?	但是谁付的?
137	The firefighters who breathe poison on 9-11.	9-11上呼吸毒药的消防员.
138	The soldiers who returned from Afghanistan and Iraq without limbs and without peace.	从阿富汗和伊拉克返回的士兵没有肢体,没有和平。
139	The Iraqis and Afghans whose countries still burn.	伊拉克人和阿富汗人的国家仍在燃烧。
140	38 million civilians displaced by American war on terror.	3800万平民因美国反恐战争而流离失所.
141	A world more violent, more fractured and less stable.	一个更暴力,更骨折,更不稳定的世界.
142	And the most devastating irony of all, Osama bin Laden said his goal was to lure America	最具有毁灭性讽刺意味的是乌萨马·本·拉登说他的目标是引诱美国
143	into an endless, bleeding war of attrition.	进入一场无休止的流血战争
144	His aim was not to defeat America tank for tank.	他的目的不是为坦克击败美国坦克.
145	It was to lure it into unwinnable wars.	而是诱导它进入无法战胜的战争
146	It was to inflame the Muslim world against it.	它是为了激起穆斯林世界的反对。
147	It was to bleed American's finances and bankrupt its moral authority.	它是为了流血美国的财政, 破产它的道德权威。
148	And that's exactly what happened.	事情就是这样的
149	While America poured blood and treasure into the Middle East, the world moved on.	当美国向中东注入鲜血和宝藏时,世界继续前进.
150	China declared a period of strategic opportunity.	中国宣布进入战略机遇时期.
151	In 2001, China's GDP was 1.3 trillion American dollars.	2001年,中国GDP为1.3万亿美元.
152	In 2021, it was nearly 18 trillion dollars.	2021年,投资近18万亿元.
153	While America blew up buildings, Beijing built roads,	美国炸毁建筑的同时,北京建了公路,
154	railways, ports, alliances and influence.	铁路,港口,联盟和影响力.
155	America was not strengthened.	美国没有得到加强。
156	America was diminished.	美国被削弱。
157	The war on terror was not merely a mistake.	反恐战争不仅仅是一个错误。
158	It was the greatest self-inflicted wound of the American century.	这是美国世纪最大的自我伤害
159	Members, this was not necessary.	成员们,没有必要这样做。
160	This was not destiny.	这不是命运。
161	This was not justice.	这不是正义。
162	It was a choice.	这是一个选择。
163	A choice to turn trauma into strategy.	将创伤变成策略的选择
164	A choice to turn mourning into empire.	把哀悼变成帝国的选择
165	A choice to turn the fallen into political capital.	将沦陷者变成政治资本的选择.
166	The American people are poorer.	美国人民更穷.
167	They are less free.	他们不太自由。
168	They are more watched.	他们受到更多的监视。
169	They are more disillusioned.	他们更加失望。
170	And they are more divided than they ever were on September the 10th, 2001.	而且他们比2001年9月10日时更加分裂.
171	Members, this is not who America had to be.	成员们,这不是美国必须做的。
172	And it is not who America should be.	而不是美国应该是谁。
173	But it is.	但它确实是。
174	And it is not who America must be again.	也不再是美国了
175	The fallen of this story are not only the 3,000 souls taken on that September morning,	这个故事的堕落不仅仅是9月早上 3000个灵魂,
176	nor the New Yorkers who witnessed smoke cries from their city.	纽约人目睹烟雾从他们的城市发出喊叫
177	They are the nearly 7,000 American service members killed in unnecessary, unending wars	他们是近7000名美国军人在不必要的无休止的战争中牺牲的
178	built on a lie.	建立在谎言之上。
179	They are the 52,000 wounded in action.	他们是52 000名受伤的士兵。
180	They are the 5 million civilians abroad who died in flames they never chose.	他们是在国外的500万平民,他们死在他们从未选择的火焰中。
181	They are those in the Middle East who now see their homelands fall into the hands	他们就是那些在中东的人他们看到自己的祖国落入了手中
182	of the very terrorist groups unleashed by the chaos of American occupation.	美国占领的混乱所引发的恐怖集团。
183	They are the American citizens who are woke to find that the land of the free	他们是美国公民他们被唤醒发现这片自由的土地
184	now listened, watched, and recorded.	现在听,看,和录制。
185	We cannot unfall the towers.	我们不能掉下塔楼。
186	We cannot unbreak the families.	我们不能让这些家庭破碎。
187	And we cannot unright the wars.	我们无法解除战争。
188	But we can honor the dead.	但我们可以尊重死者
189	Not by repeating the mistakes that doomed them,	而不是通过重复那些毁灭他们的错误,
190	but by confronting the truths that were buried with them.	但通过对抗真相,他们埋葬。
191	And so, members of this House,	故本院众议员,
192	if there is anyone here who still wonders whether the fallen may be honored	如果还有人在这里,谁仍然怀疑是否可以荣耀堕落者
193	without confronting the failures that betrayed them,	不面对背叛他们的失败,
194	who still doubts that memory demands more than mourning,	他们仍然怀疑记忆需要的不仅仅是哀悼,
195	who still questions whether remembrance requires responsibility,	他们仍质疑记忆是否要求承担责任,
196	let tonight be that answer.	让今晚成为答案
197	Members, vote proposition.	成员,投票提案。
198	Vote that 9-11 was weaponized to expand the American Empire,	投票9 -11被武器化以扩大大美帝国,
199	to expand it at home, to expand it abroad,	在国内扩展在国外扩展
200	and at the cost of the United States of America	费用由美利坚合众国承担
201	and in a betrayal of its very own people.	背叛自己的人民
202	Thank you very much.	谢谢
203	Thank you, Rosie, for your speech.	谢谢你,罗西,你的演讲。
204	Maybe that's the greatest legacy I have,	也许这是我最伟大的遗产
205	making the British argue against the Americans in the war on terror.	让英国人在反恐战争中反对美国人
206	So thank you for that.	谢谢你们
207	I now look to Aksana Sultan to lead the case for side opposition.	我现在指望阿克萨纳·苏尔坦领导此案的侧面反对。
208	Mr. President, thank you for the privilege of speaking here tonight.	主席先生,感谢你今晚有幸在这里发言。
209	Distinguished members of this House,	尊贵的众议员,
210	ladies and gentlemen, it is truly an honor to address you all.	女士们,先生们, 很荣幸向大家讲话。
211	And thank you so much for joining us for a debate	非常感谢你来参加我们的辩论
212	that at its very core touches something far deeper than geopolitics.	它的核心触动的东西比地缘政治。
213	It's a conversation.	乃语曰.
214	A conversation about loss, about memory,	关于失去和记忆的对话
215	and about the kind of world that we choose to build from tragedy.	以及我们从悲剧中选择建立的世界。
216	Now, as someone who has devoted my career to human rights,	作为一位致力于人权事业的人
217	to accountability, and to the dignity of victims of war and violence,	以及战争和暴力受害者的尊严,
218	I approach this particular motion with a profound sense of responsibility.	我以深刻的责任感对待这一特别动议。
219	Because tonight, we are not discussing an abstract idea or a theoretical construct.	因为今晚,我们不是在讨论一个抽象的想法或理论构思。
220	We're discussing a human tragedy.	我们在讨论人类悲剧
221	And how we speak about a human tragedy matters.	我们如何谈论人类的悲剧。
222	Because words are powerful.	因为言语很有力.
223	Our words can shape understanding,	我们的话能塑造理解
224	they can shape memory,	他们可以塑造记忆
225	and they can shape the truth that we choose to carry forward.	他们可以塑造我们所选择的真理。
226	And it is for that reason that I believe	正是因为这个原因,我相信
227	that the words of this motion tonight	今晚这个动议的话
228	should give everyone in this chamber a pause.	应该让大家在这个会议厅暂停一下。
229	The conspiratorial framing of this motion	本动议的阴谋陷害
230	sends a deeply troubling message to the world	向世界发出了一个令人深感不安的信息
231	that this house, known for its rigor, its integrity,	这所房子,因坚固而闻名,
232	and its respect for truth,	尊重真理,
233	is willing to let conspiracy replace evidence	愿意让阴谋取代证据
234	and speculation stand in for reason.	假设是有理由的
235	And it is for that reason and out of respect	正是出于这个原因,出于尊重
236	for the lives lost that I rise to oppose this motion tonight.	今晚我为了反对这个动议而牺牲的生命
237	Now, before I proceed with my arguments,	在我开始辩论之前
238	it falls onto me the duty and, indeed,	责任落在我身上,事实上,
239	the honor of introducing our guest speakers this evening.	很荣幸今晚能介绍我们的嘉宾演讲
240	First, we have Secretary Turfov,	首先,我们有秘书图尔福夫,
241	who served as the United States Secretary of Homeland Security	曾任美国国土安全部长
242	under President George W. Bush.	由乔治·布什总统领导。
243	He is also a former federal judge	他也是前联邦法官
244	and a former federal prosecutor.	和一个前联邦检察官
245	Secretary Turfov, it's a tremendous honor and a privilege	Turfov部长,这是一个巨大的荣誉和特权
246	to have you here with us.	让你和我们在一起
247	Thank you so much for joining us.	非常感谢你加入我们。
248	Next, we are pleased to be hosting Peter Bergen,	接下来,我们很高兴接待彼得伯格,
249	one of the world's leading national security experts,	世界领先的国家安全专家之一
250	and one of the very few journalists	和少数记者之一
251	that have actually sat face-to-face	曾经面对面坐过
252	with the perpetrator of the 9-11 attack and interviewed him.	和九一一袭击事件的凶手谈话
253	So he brings a very unique perspective to this debate.	所以他给这场辩论带来了非常独特的视角.
254	And finally, we have Michael Leiter,	最后,我们有迈克尔·莱特,
255	the former director of the United States	美国前局长
256	National Counterterrorism Center,	国家反恐中心,
257	a role at the very heart of U.S. intelligence	美国情报部门的核心角色
258	and national security decision-making.	和国家安全决策。
259	Thank you so much, everyone,	谢谢大家
260	for joining us.	加入我们的行列
261	And, Mr. President, these are our distinguished line of speakers,	主席先生,这是我们尊敬的发言者,
262	and they are indeed most welcome.	他们确是受欢迎的。
263	9-11 was a tragedy that claimed nearly 3,000 innocent lives	9 -11惨案造成近3000名无辜者丧生
264	in a matter of hours.	几个小时后
265	Families shattered, communities traumatized,	家庭破裂,社区受到创伤,
266	a world shaken.	一个震撼的世界。
267	And even to this day, more than two decades later,	即使在20多年之后的今天
268	millions across the globe still live, and it's aftershock.	全球数百万人仍然活着, 这是余震。
269	And when a tragedy of this magnitude strikes,	当如此巨大的悲剧降临时
270	the world desperately searches for answers.	世界拼命地寻找答案
271	We reach for explanations, we fill in gaps,	我们得到的解释,我们填补空白,
272	we connect the dots, and we build all kinds of theories	我们把点连接起来,我们建立各种理论
273	to make sense of something so unbearable.	使事情变得如此难以忍受。
274	That instinct is deeply human, and I honor it.	这种本能是人性的我尊重它
275	It comes from pain, from confusion,	它来自痛苦,来自困惑,
276	and the desire to understand what feels incomprehensible.	渴望理解什么是无法理解的
277	But tonight, our responsibility is different.	但今晚,我们的责任不同
278	We are not in the realm of instinct or speculation	我们不是直觉或猜测
279	or emotional theory building.	或者情感理论建设
280	We're at Oxford, a chamber built on intellectual supplant.	我们在牛津,一个以智力替代而建的屋子
281	A space where precision and language matters,	精确和语言很重要的空间,
282	where speaking with accuracy matters,	以准确的言语,
283	and where evidence matters.	还有证据很重要的地方
284	Had this motion been framed in a way	如果这个动议被陷害
285	that it asked us to examine America's policies	要求我们审查美国的政策
286	after this tragedy, or to debate its decisions,	在这场悲剧之后或者为了辩论它的决定
287	the missteps, or the consequences that followed,	或后果,
288	we would welcome that debate.	我们欢迎这次辩论。
289	Instead, this motion makes a far more sweeping,	相反,这个动议更彻底了,
290	a far more radical claim.	一个更激进的说法。
291	This motion alleges that America has weaponized this tragedy,	这个动议声称美国已经把这场悲剧武器化了,
292	therefore alleging intent.	因此指控意图。
293	Now, that word, weaponized, ladies and gentlemen,	现在,这个词,武器化, 女士们,先生们,
294	deeply troubles me.	深为烦恼.
295	Weaponized is not a casual word.	武器化不是随便的词
296	It's not a rhetoric.	谓非修辞.
297	It's not a metaphor.	岂是比喻.
298	The word weaponized, we use it to describe	武器化这个词,我们用它来形容
299	some of the gravest patterns of abuse in human rights.	一些最严重的侵犯人权现象。
300	To weaponize something is to allege purposefulness,	武器化就是说有目的
301	intentionality, deliberate design,	故意、故意设计、
302	and the calculated orchestration of human suffering.	以及精心策划的人类苦难
303	So if the proposition wishes to defend that language	所以,如果这个提议想要捍卫这个语言
304	of this gravity, then the burden falls entirely upon them	如此严重,那么负担就完全落在他们身上
305	to prove intent, as this motion requires.	以证明意图,正如这个动议所要求的。
306	But they cannot.	但他们不能。
307	They will speak to you about the wars.	他们会跟你谈谈战争
308	They will speak to you about the policies,	他们会告诉你政策,
309	about consequences, as the previous speaker	与前一位发言者一样,
310	so eloquently did.	如此雄辩地做了。
311	But none of that really answers the question	但这些都无法回答问题
312	at the core of this motion, the allegation of intent.	这份动议的核心是意图指控。
313	Because across 24 years, every credible independent inquiry	因为24年来每一次可信的独立调查
314	from 9-11 Commission to engineering investigations	从9-11委员会改为工程调查
315	to intelligence assessments across allied nations,	对盟国的情报评估,
316	they've reached the same conclusion.	他们得出了同样的结论。
317	There's no evidence of internal orchestration.	内部的管弦乐没有证据.
318	24 years, none.	24年,无.
319	So this motion therefore asks you to ignore evidence,	所以这个动议要求你无视证据
320	to abandon reason, and to embrace instead	放弃理性,接受
321	a conspiratorial theory that collapses under its own weight.	一种自相残杀的阴谋论
322	This motion asks you to believe that the United States,	这个动议要求你相信美国,
323	in 2001, the world's most powerful military,	在2001年,世界上最强大的军事,
324	the world's largest economy, the leading power with NATO,	世界上最大的经济体北约的主导力量
325	and the dominant global superpower,	和占支配地位的全球超级大国,
326	somehow needed to take the life of nearly 3,000	不知何故需要夺走近三千条命
327	of its own civilians, point not taken,	属于自己的平民,
328	and the most brutal, in the most public way imaginable,	和最残酷的, 以最公开的方式想象,
329	in its own soil, in its own city, for what rational purpose?	在自己的土地, 在自己的城市, 为什么理性的目的?
330	To achieve goals that it already possessed?	实现它已经拥有的目标?
331	Why would a superpower, at the height of its influence,	为什么超级大国在其影响力的顶端
332	a nation with unrivaled military reach,	一个军事上无敌的国家,
333	with more allies, wealth, and leverage than any state	拥有比任何国家更多的盟友、财富和杠杆
334	in modern history, choose to devastate?	在现代史上,选择毁灭?
335	Literally, ladies and gentlemen, devastate its own economy,	女士们先生们完全摧毁了自己的经济
336	shatter its global credibility, cripple its aviation industry,	摧毁其全球信誉破坏其航空业
337	and plunge its own population into grief.	使自己的民众悲伤。
338	And even if one were to imagine such a scenario,	即使有人想到这样的情况
339	the logistics alone doesn't add up.	单靠后勤是不行的
340	A conspiracy of this scale would have required	这种规模的阴谋需要
341	the flawless, silent coordination of over thousands of individuals,	千余人无瑕疵无声的协调
342	intelligence officers, military personnel,	情报官员、军事人员、
343	airport staff, engineers, first responders, journalists.	机场工作人员,工程师,急救人员,记者.
344	So are we really truly here to believe	所以,我们真的在这里相信
345	that every one of these speakers perfectly stayed silent for 24 years?	24年来,每个发言者都完全保持沉默?
346	Ladies and gentlemen, governments struggle	女士们,先生们,政府斗争
347	to keep a single email confidential,	保持一个电子邮件的机密性,
348	let alone a multi-agency, mass casualty conspiracy of this magnitude.	更别提这种规模的多机构大规模伤亡阴谋。
349	So esteemed members of this House,	故你们应当尊敬的众议员,
350	ladies and gentlemen, tonight I ask you to please vote against this motion.	女士们先生们今晚请大家投票反对这个动议
351	Not to defend any government.	不为任何政府辩护.
352	I'm not doing that.	我不会那么做的
353	I'm only here to defend a principle that truth matters.	我只是来捍卫一个真理重要的原则
354	I'm a lawyer.	我是律师
355	I strongly believe in evidence, I believe in truth,	我坚信证据我相信真相
356	and I believe in the moral weight of words.	我相信言语的道德价值
357	This chamber is not a home for conspiracy.	这个房间不是阴谋的家
358	It's a home for evidence.	其家为证.
359	It's a chamber for reason and for dignity.	是以理与尊贵为室.
360	Nearly 3,000 innocent lives was taken from us.	近3 000名无辜者丧生。
361	Ladies and gentlemen, their memories deserve respect and honesty,	女士们先生们他们的记忆值得尊重和诚实
362	not exaggeration and not distortion, as this motion is doing tonight.	不要夸张,不要歪曲, 因为这个动议是今晚做的。
363	So I ask you, please stand for what this chamber at its best embodies,	因此,我问你,请站在这个会议厅的最好体现,
364	which is evidence, integrity, and truth.	这是证据、正直和真理
365	Thank you very much.	谢谢
366	I thank Oksana for her speech.	我感谢奥克萨娜的发言。
367	Oksana has given me the pleasure, by forgetting about it,	奥克萨纳让我很高兴忘了这件事
368	to introduce the speakers in proposition, so I'll do it myself.	介绍演讲者的建议, 所以我自己做。
369	With the first speaker in proposition,	以第一位发言者的提议,
370	it's around two introductions, guys.	这是两个介绍,伙计们。
371	Speaking first, you already heard from, was Rosalie Chapman.	首先,你已经听说, 是罗莎莉查普曼。
372	Hartford College already graduated, still lurking around, enjoying Oksana.	哈特福德学院已经毕业,仍在潜伏,享受奥克萨纳.
373	Speaking second is Donovan Locke, Corporate Christie College,	第二位是多诺万·洛克公司克里斯蒂学院
374	who's a deputy returning officer.	谁是副返回军官。
375	Speaking third is Saad Barcha, who is a junior welfare officer.	第三位是Saad Barcha,他是初级福利官员。
376	So he loves giving welfare.	所以他爱给福利。
377	So if you want some welfare, you can go see him after the debate.	所以,如果你想要一些福利, 你可以在辩论结束后去看他。
378	But those are the three speakers inside proposition.	但是,这三位发言者是提议中的三位发言者。
379	And now, speaking of side proposition,	现在,说到侧面提议,
380	to continue the case is Donovan Locke, Corporate Christie College.	继续办案的是多诺万·洛克公司克里斯蒂学院
381	Right, thank you very much.	好的,非常感谢
382	Oh, before I begin, of course, I'd like to extend the same congratulations to the president.	哦,在我开始之前,当然,我想向总统表示同样的祝贺.
383	It's been a warmly, extraordinary term, and I'm sure we'll all agree.	这是一个热情,非凡的术语,我相信我们都同意.
384	I was hoping I wouldn't have to do this,	我希望我不用这么做,
385	but it might be worth actually clarifying what this evening's motion is.	但也许应该澄清一下今晚的动议
386	Are we arguing that 9-11 was staged by the government?	我们是不是认为9 -11是政府策划的?
387	No, that's ridiculous.	不,这是荒谬的。
388	I wouldn't put on a bow tie and turn up and talk to you about this.	我不会穿上弓领带来和你谈谈这件事
389	It would be mad.	这会是疯了。
390	We're saying that 9-11 as an attack was exploited by the American government	美国政府利用911作为攻击
391	in order to enable them to pursue certain policy aims	* 使它们能够实现某些政策目标;
392	that would be completely impossible in peacetime.	这在和平时期是完全不可能的。
393	I wholeheartedly believe that no event has shaped this century	我全心全意相信这个世纪没有发生任何事件
394	more than the September 11 attacks, whatsoever.	比九一一袭击事件还要严重
395	Some will argue the coronavirus pandemic is perhaps a competitor.	有些人会认为冠状病毒的流行也许是竞争对手。
396	I disagree with them entirely,	我完全不同意他们的观点,
397	because with 9-11 came President George W. Bush's war on terror,	因为随着9 -11的到来乔治·W·布什总统的反恐战争,
398	which shifted geopolitical dynamics worldwide	改变了全球地缘政治动态
399	and transformed the impact and indeed perception of American foreign policy.	并改变了美国外交政策的影响和认识。
400	Quite interestingly, in 2000, the project for the New American Century,	有趣的是,2000年,美国新世纪项目,
401	which is a neoconservative think tank all too close to the Bush administration,	它是一个新保守主义的智囊团太接近布什政府,
402	stated in writing that the preservation of American's position as a world superpower	以书面表示,保持美国作为世界超级大国的地位
403	would require an ideological shift that would be one of two things.	需要思想转变这将是两件事之一。
404	Either it would be sluggish or it would be the result of,	要么是迟钝要么是结果
405	and I quote, a new Pearl Harbor.	我引用新珍珠港的话
406	For the most part, 9-11 was this new Pearl Harbor,	大部分时间,9 -11 是这个新的珍珠港,
407	save for the fact that the response to Pearl Harbor was actually reasonable,	除了对珍珠港的反应其实合理
408	but you'll hear more about that later.	但你以后会听到更多关于这一点。
409	The key notion here is that under the Bush administration,	这里的关键概念是,在布什政府的领导下,
410	any anti-American atrocity would have been exploited and weaponized	任何反美暴行都会被利用和武器化
411	for the sake of the American empire, as 9-11 was.	为了美帝国,9 -11是。
412	That is the argument that you're going to be hearing from the proposition this evening.	这就是你今晚要听到的论点
413	9-11 just happened to serve as a particularly effective vessel	9 -11号正好是一艘特别有效的船
414	for a planned expansion of American dominance.	计划扩大美国的统治地位。
415	The previous speaker spoke about how it would be impossible for us to talk about intent.	前一位发言者谈到我们如何无法谈论意图。
416	My job is to prove that's not the case.	我的工作是证明事实并非如此
417	So one of the most telling signs of the weaponization of 9-11	所以9 -11武器化最明显的迹象之一
418	was the media manipulation campaign that followed the attacks.	攻击之后的媒体操纵运动。
419	As an example, consider the Iraq War.	例如,考虑伊拉克战争。
420	Now, like some of the people in this room, I was born after 9-11	现在,像这里的一些人, 我出生于9 -11
421	and I was born after the declaration and start of the Iraq War.	我出生于伊拉克战争的宣布和开始之后
422	In some level, that means that perhaps I'm isolated	在某些程度上,这意味着也许我是孤立的
423	from the emotionally charged atmosphere of the time,	从当时的情感氛围,
424	but more importantly, it means that I remember growing up	更重要的是,这意味着我记得长大了
425	and being surrounded by a constant rhetoric of conflict in the Middle East.	并被中东不断的冲突言论所包围。
426	There's war going on in Iraq.	伊拉克正在进行战争。
427	There's war going on for eight years after the famous	出名八年后的八年战争
428	mission accomplished speech by George W. Bush, which clearly meant nothing.	乔治·W·布什的演讲显然毫无意义。
429	Now, as it turns out, one of the qualms of growing up is realizing nobody,	现在,结果发现, 成长中的难题之一是意识到没有人,
430	almost nobody apart from maybe these three gentlemen here,	除了这三位绅士之外,几乎没人
431	know what happened in Iraq.	知道在伊拉克发生了什么
432	And perhaps these are the only people who actually know why it started	也许只有这些人才知道为什么会这样
433	or why it lasted so long.	或者为什么它持续了这么久。
434	But this is not the public's fault.	但这不是公众的错。
435	It is the fault only of the US government because	这是美国政府的错因为
436	any popular understanding of 9-11 and its consequences	9-11及其后果
437	has been rendered near impossible due to the US government's	由于美国政府的
438	single persistent habit to rewrite their justifications for war.	改变战争理由的一贯习惯
439	Let's speak chronologically.	我们按时间顺序说
440	So immediately after 9-11, America launches the war on terror,	911之后,美国立即发动了反恐战争,
441	pledging to destroy terrorists worldwide and pledging to protect American interests,	保证在全世界消灭恐怖分子,并保证保护美国的利益,
442	which are also worldwide, interestingly.	有趣的是,它们也是世界性的。
443	Now, make no mistake, 9-11 and Iraq are completely separate at this point in time.	现在,不要犯错误,9-11和伊拉克此时已完全分开。
444	Soon after, however, Saddam Hussein is thrown into the picture because he is,	然而,不久之后,萨达姆·侯赛因被扔进画面中,因为他是,
445	as we all famously know, building weapons of mass destruction.	众所周知,建造大规模毁灭性武器。
446	Now, this link came first and foremost from members within Bush's administration,	现在,这个联系首先是来自布什政府的成员,
447	largely because following the Gulf War of the early 90s,	主要是因为90年代初的海湾战争之后
448	Saddam Hussein was essentially a blockade.	萨达姆·侯赛因基本上是封锁。
449	He was this rather unfortunate obstacle America had to deal with.	他是一个相当不幸的障碍美国必须处理。
450	He was an easy target, as was the perception,	他是一个容易的目标, 和感知,
451	and he was a defeatable target for the sake of American expansion	为了美国扩张,他是一个可击败的目标
452	and policy in the Middle East.	中东问题和政策。
453	The narrative starts off simple.	叙事一开始很简单。
454	He's building WMDs, and this does exactly what the government is setting out for.	他正在制造大规模毁灭性武器这完全符合政府的要求
455	The Americans are scared.	美国人很害怕。
456	Perhaps we should go to war with Iraq.	也许我们应该去和伊拉克开战。
457	But the fear-mongering does not end here.	但恐惧的滋味并没有在这里结束.
458	Soon it's announced that Saddam Hussein is not only building WMDs,	很快宣布萨达姆·侯赛因不仅在制造大规模毁灭性武器
459	he's in fact building them and then giving them to terrorist cells,	他实际上是在建造它们然后把它们交给恐怖组织
460	thereby implicating Iraq within this war on terror.	因此,伊拉克卷入了这场反恐战争。
461	Perfect.	不错
462	There's your cause for war, your casus belli.	这就是你战争的原因,你的casus belli。
463	Now, unfortunately, the United Nations went to Iraq and they found nothing.	不幸的是,联合国去了伊拉克,他们什么也没发现。
464	No evidence of weapons of mass destruction,	没有大规模毁灭性武器的证据,
465	no evidence of the production of weapons of mass destruction	没有生产大规模毁灭性武器的证据
466	since the closing of their final factories in the 90s.	自从90年代他们最后的工厂关闭以来
467	So the narrative had to shift once more.	因此,叙述必须再次转变。
468	Not only are they building weapons of mass destruction,	他们不仅在制造大规模毁灭性武器,
469	not only are they building them and then giving them to terrorist cells,	他们不仅建造它们,然后把它们交给恐怖主义组织,
470	they're also building them secretly.	他们也在秘密建造它们
471	They're secretly building weapons of mass destruction,	他们秘密制造大规模杀伤性武器
472	and therefore the Iraq War has to happen.	因此,伊拉克战争必须发生。
473	In 2003, it begins.	2003年开始.
474	You have the very quintessentially American named Operation Iraqi Freedom,	你有一个非常典型的美国名为伊拉克自由行动,
475	i.e.	即说.
476	the Iraq War.	伊拉克战争
477	And by the time it's clear that no weapons of mass destruction actually exist in Iraq,	到了伊拉克没有大规模毁灭性武器的时候
478	once they're actually in the country,	一旦他们真正在国内,
479	the only option that remains is to completely reinvent	唯一剩下的选择是彻底重塑
480	the narrative that existed from the first place.	从一开始就存在的叙述
481	The war was never about WMDs or if it was, we were mistaken.	战争从来就不是关于大规模毁灭性武器,如果是的话,我们错了。
482	What it could have been about was stability or democracy	本来是稳定还是民主
483	or these other abstract concepts which still to this day	或这些其他抽象的概念至今
484	have not been completely implemented within the Middle East by America.	美国没有在中东完全执行。
485	These are not optimistic aims by any stretch of the imagination.	从想象中看,这些不是乐观的目标。
486	Furthermore, there was never any operational link	此外,没有任何业务联系
487	between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda.	萨达姆·侯赛因和基地组织之间
488	In fact, America had evidence of this both before and after	事实上,美国有证据在前后
489	the Iraq War and indeed the 9-11 attacks.	伊拉克战争和9-11攻击。
490	This was the same narrative you heard from Dick Cheney and other cabinet,	这跟你从迪克·切尼和其他内阁听到的一样
491	other administration members in the years leading up to this war,	在这场战争前的几年里其他行政成员
492	when the emotional charge was at its worst.	当情感上的指控是最糟糕的。
493	The fact of the matter is that the American government,	事实是美国政府
494	under the guise of fighting for freedom against terror,	在反恐自由斗争的幌子下,
495	knowingly lied to the world in order to conduct a war on false grounds.	明知故犯地欺骗世界,以假借理由发动战争.
496	On the very day of 9-11, the Secretary of Defense	在911年当天,国防部长
497	asked one of his aides to research whether the 9-11 attacks were sufficient	请他的一位助手研究9 -11攻击是否足够
498	for America to, and I quote,	我引用美国的话
499	同时打SH,不仅OBL.
500	Now, those initials were referring to Saddam Hussein at the same time,	这些首字母同时提到萨达姆·侯赛因,
501	not only Osama bin Laden.	不仅是乌萨马·本·拉丹。
502	The weaponization could not be more blatant.	武器化再明显不过了。
503	As a helpful comparison, World War I began after an archduke was assassinated.	作为有用的比较,第一次世界大战是在一位大公被暗杀后开始的.
504	World War II began after Poland was invaded.	二战始于波兰被入侵之后.
505	Japan had war declared against it by America once Pearl Harbor had been attacked.	珍珠港一遭袭击,日本就向美国宣战。
506	The fact that we do not even have a concrete justification of the Iraq War	我们甚至没有伊拉克战争的具体理由
507	to speak volumes about the American approach to maintaining its empire.	讲述美国维持帝国的方法
508	It is an approach that weaponizes tragedies in order to fulfill policy goals.	这种做法将悲剧武器化,以实现政策目标。
509	This is neoconservatism at its peak, make no mistake.	这是新保守主义在它的高峰, 没有错误。
510	Americans and Iraqis alike have been swept into decades of conflict	美国人和伊拉克人都陷入数十年的冲突之中
511	that would not have existed without sustained information being issued	不发布持续信息,就不会存在
512	by none other than the US government itself,	只有美国政府自己,
513	in an attempt to increase America's control and influence over the Middle East.	试图增加美国对中东的控制和影响.
514	9-11 had and has been completely weaponized into a needless and pointless war,	9 -11已经并被完全武器化为一场毫无必要和毫无意义的战争,
515	purely because the Bush administration mistakenly believes	纯粹因为布什政府错误地相信
516	that Iraq could be swiftly beaten and transformed into a pro-US anchor.	伊拉克可以被迅速击败并变成亲美国的锚。
517	However, every successful empire should be well aware that foreign conquests	然而,每一个成功的帝国都应该清楚外国的征服
518	are worth nothing without an effective home base.	没有有效的家庭基地,就一文不值。
519	I'd like to draw everyone's attention to domestic soil actually, American that is,	我想提醒大家注意国内土壤,实际上,美国,即,
520	domestic American soil, wherein 9-11 was exploited to expand federal power	美国本土土地,其中9-11被利用扩大联邦权力
521	onto the very Americans that the government claimed to be protecting.	政府声称要保护的美国人
522	Within just 50 days of the attacks,	袭击发生后50天内
523	Congress rushed through the uniting and strengthening America	国会匆忙通过团结和巩固美国
524	by providing appropriate tools required to intercept and obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001,	* 提供拦截和阻挠2001年《恐怖主义法》所需的适当工具,
525	which we all recognize through the rather Orwellian initialism,	我们都通过奥威尔主义的初始主义认识了这一点,
526	USA Patriot, of course, or the Patriot Act.	美国爱国者,当然,或爱国者法案。
527	The Patriot Act granted surveillance and investigatory privileges	《爱国者法》给予监视和调查特权
528	to government agencies with minimal judicial oversight.	对政府机构的司法监督很少。
529	Now, these are American intelligence agencies.	这些是美国情报机构
530	As you should expect, they would end up exploiting it.	正如你所料他们最终会利用它
531	In fact, they did, and it was immediate.	事实上,他们做到了,这是立即的。
532	Between 2003 and 2006 alone, the FBI issued nearly 200,000 national security letters.	仅在2003年至2006年间,联邦调查局就发出了近20万封国家安全信.
533	These enabled the government to seize phone records, bank documents,	这使得政府能够没收电话记录银行文件
534	internet histories, and private data from entirely ordinary Americans	互联网历史和完全普通美国人的私人数据
535	without the need for probable cause or evidence.	无需提出可能的理由或证据。
536	And if you care about the American Constitution, yes,	如果你关心美国宪法,是的,
537	it does it doesn't need probable cause or evidence.	它确实不需要可能的原因或证据。
538	That's Amendments 4 and Amendment 6 off the top of my head.	这是修正4和修正6 从我的头顶。
539	According to the Justice Department, we actually have the statistics.	据司法部说,我们确实掌握了统计数据。
540	These 200,000 letters did in fact lead to some convictions for terrorism related offenses.	这200 000封信实际上导致一些与恐怖主义有关的罪行的定罪。
541	That number is one.	这个号码是一。
542	There's been one terrorism related conviction based off of 200,000 information purges	依据20万次情报清洗已经有一个与恐怖主义有关的定罪
543	by American intelligence in the light of 9-11.	由美国情报部门在9 -11的光。
544	The rest was simply a government-run data harvest	其他的只是政府管理的数据收获
545	justified by fear and suppressed by gag orders.	以恐惧为借口并被禁言令压制
546	When these practices were challenged in court,	当这些做法在法庭上受到质疑时,
547	judges ruled that the Patriot Act had unconstitutionally intruded on civil liberties,	法官们裁定《爱国者法》违宪干涉了公民自由,
548	including those aforementioned amendments of the American Constitution	包括上述《美国宪法》修正案
549	and also the First and Fifth.	还有第一和第五
550	The personal security and freedom of Americans	美国人的人身安全和自由
551	had been unilaterally sacrificed for the sake of control.	为了控制而单方面牺牲。
552	Now, this is one of the American Empire's many paradoxes.	现在,这是美洲帝国众多悖论之一.
553	While claiming to be while claiming to be exporting freedom abroad,	在声称自己在国外出口自由的同时,
554	the US government spent the early 2000s only restricting it at home.	美国政府在2000年代早期只限在家里使用。
555	As an indicator of the bad faith politics involved in the passing of the Patriot Act,	作为《爱国者法》通过过程中涉及的恶意政治的表现,
556	one needs only to consider the infamous example of whistleblowers such as Edward Snowden.	人们只需要考虑爱德华·斯诺登等吹哨人的臭名昭著的例子.
557	Perhaps the closest thing you'll get to a real patriot	也许最接近真正的爱国者
558	for other people we'll mention on this side.	对于其他人,我们会提到在这边。
559	The whistleblower who's famously forced into exile	著名的告密者被迫流亡国外
560	and faced condemnation bilaterally from both parties in Congress,	面对国会双方的双边谴责,
561	even though within years those same members were forced to admit and confess	虽然在几年内,这些成员被迫承认和承认
562	that they had in fact one misled the public and two abused the Patriot Act.	事实上,他们误导了公众,两人滥用了《爱国者法》。
563	This is weaponization, plain and simple of an atrocity.	这是武器化,纯粹的暴行。
564	Now today, the concept of America of Empire is defined not by territorial domination,	现在,帝国美洲的概念不是由领土统治来定义的,
565	but by economic dependency, political control, military presence, and a few other aspects.	但经济依赖、政治控制、军事存在和其他几个方面。
566	This is accepted.	这一点已被接受。
567	The American response to 9-11 thus fits the definition perfectly.	因此,美国对9-11的答复完全符合定义。
568	Abroad, the US launched wars on shifting justifications at best.	在国外,美国发动的战争充其量是转移理由。
569	At home, it granted the state the right to watch, the right to record,	在家里,它赋予了国家观看,记录的权利,
570	the right to control, and the right to suppress citizens.	控制权和镇压公民的权利。
571	Above all else, the Patriot Act was a domestic tool of an imperial project	最重要的是,爱国者法案是帝国主义计划的国内工具
572	and not the patriotic security measure it was marketed as by our dear leaders in government.	而不是像我们亲爱的政府领导人那样宣传爱国主义安全措施
573	Without a catastrophe like 9-11, there would have never been the grounds,	没有911这样的灾难, 就不会有理由,
574	nor the pressure, nor the emotional acceptance for it to ever exist.	压力, 情绪接受永远存在。
575	History will not look back fondly on the American government in the wake of 9-11.	历史不会在九一一事件后回首美国政府。
576	In response to a national tragedy,	为了应对国难,
577	the instincts of Bush's allies were to secure long-term policy goals as quickly as possible,	布什的盟友的本能是尽快实现长期政策目标,
578	exploiting the attacks by using them to justify sweeping and brash decisions	利用这些攻击来为彻底和草率的决定辩护
579	that had been planned and shelved for years.	已经计划了好几年了
580	In the chaotic decade that followed, both lives and liberties were lost	在接下来的混乱的十年里,生命和自由都丧失了
581	as a direct result of America's ensuing and unjust warpath.	直接由于美国随之而来的和不公正的战争。
582	Despite deliberately and continuously misleading the public	尽管故意不断误导公众
583	in a way that would never be acceptable during peacetime,	以和平时期永远无法接受的方式
584	no politicians involved in the Bush administration were ever found	从未发现过参与布什政府的政治人物
585	legally accountable for their lies to the public, blatantly.	对公众的谎言负有法律责任。
586	However, tonight you have the chance to recognise their guilt by joining me	然而,今晚你有机会通过加入我来承认他们的罪过
587	and voting in favour of the proposition.	并投票赞成这个提议。
588	Together, we can make it clear that the post-9-11 generation,	我们可以一起表明,9 -11之后的一代,
589	mostly post-9-11 generation, condemns the warmongering and mass surveillance	大部分是911之后的一代人谴责温室和大规模监视
590	imposed by his administration and indeed all of the leaders	他的政府以及实际上所有领导人
591	within the Western world post-9-11.	9 -11之后的西方世界里
592	Not just Bush, his entire cabal of hired liars.	不只是布什他的整个骗子组织
593	Vote for this proposition to learn from rather than bury history's mistakes.	投票支持这个提议,从历史的错误中吸取教训,而不是埋葬历史的错误.
594	Thank you very much.	谢谢
595	Have a great night.	祝你今晚过得愉快
596	I thank the member for his speech.	我感谢该成员的发言。
597	I now look to Mr Peter Bergen to continue the case beside opposition.	我现在期待彼得·卑尔根先生继续处理此案,而不是反对。
598	Okay.	摆
599	Thank you very much, Mr President.	非常感谢主席先生。
600	First of all, I have a question.	首先我有一个问题
601	Don't you guys believe in central heating?	你们不相信中央暖气吗?
602	Secondly, let's be clear about what this motion is about.	第二,让我们清楚这个动议的目的。
603	It's about weaponising American empire.	这是关于把美帝国武器化
604	Our good friend from Corpus Christi threw up a bunch of red herrings	我们来自科普斯克里斯蒂的好朋友吐了一堆红ring
605	about the Patriot Act, which personally I don't defend,	关于爱国者法案, 我个人不捍卫,
606	mass surveillance of Americans.	大规模监视美国人。
607	That's got nothing to do with American empire.	这与美帝国无关.
608	Empires are by definition taking over other countries.	帝国从定义上来说是接管其他国家.
609	And we happen to be in a great place to discuss what an empire actually is,	我们碰巧在一个伟大的地方讨论一个帝国到底是什么,
610	which is Oxford, which was at the heart of the greatest empire	这是牛津曾经是大帝国的核心
611	in the history of the world, which at one time controlled	曾经控制着世界历史
612	a quarter of the mass of the earth and 700 million people.	占地球质量的四分之一,人口7亿.
613	How did the British do that?	英国人是怎么做到的?
614	Well, they used considerable force for many centuries,	几个世纪以来他们一直使用着相当的武力
615	subjugating and holding the territory they conquered.	征服并控制他们征服的领土.
616	Whether it was in Ireland, whether it was in the Americas,	不管是在爱尔兰还是在美洲
617	whether it was in the Indian subcontinent.	它是否在印度次大陆。
618	And they ruthlessly exploited their subjects	他们无情地剥削自己的臣民,
619	and robbed them of their resources.	并掠夺他们的财产。
620	And I use the word subject intentionally because they were subjects.	我故意使用这个词因为他们是主体。
621	The British set up in the mid 18th century a colonial office,	18世纪中叶英国人建立了一个殖民办事处,
622	which was designed to exploit the empire.	旨在利用帝国
623	Later, they set up a colonial civil service,	后来,他们建立了殖民地公务员制度,
624	which was designed to exploit the empire.	旨在利用帝国
625	And they did so efficiently and ruthlessly.	他们这样做是高效和无情的。
626	And just to give you, I won't bore you with your own history,	告诉你,我不会让你厌烦自己的历史
627	but I'll give you some of the highlights or shall we say the lowlights	但我会给你一些亮点或者说低灯
628	of what the British actually did, working as an empire.	英国人所做的一切,作为一个帝国。
629	First of all, my ancestors were lucky enough to flee Ireland	首先,我的祖先很幸运能逃出爱尔兰
630	during the potato famine.	在马铃薯饥荒期间
631	The potato famine, as you know, many famines are induced by governments.	土豆饥荒,你知道,许多饥荒是由政府引起的。
632	The British helped to starve a million Irish people	英国人帮助百万爱尔兰人挨饿
633	and they forced a million Irish people to leave Ireland,	他们迫使一百万爱尔兰人离开爱尔兰,
634	in many cases going to the United States.	在许多情况下,去美国。
635	In fact, it turns out the British were quite adept at starving their subjects.	事实上,英国人很擅长饿死他们的臣民。
636	If you're familiar with the British historian,	如果你熟悉英国历史学家
637	Willem de Rimpel和他的东印度公司的帐户。
638	The East India Company was instrumental in helping	东印度公司在帮助
639	exacerbate the great Bengal famine of the 1770s,	加重了1770年代的孟加拉大饥荒,
640	in which millions of people died.	数百万人死亡。
641	They also invented the opium trade.	他们还发明了鸦片贸易.
642	As you may recall, the British wanted cheap tea	你可能记得英国人想要便宜的茶
643	and this gives the sort of afternoon tea ritual a slightly different vibe.	这让这种下午茶的仪式有点不同
644	They forced the Chinese to accept opium from India,	他们强迫中国人接受印度的鸦片
645	basically creating 40 million Chinese opium addicts	基本上创造了四千万中国鸦片成瘾者
646	in order that they could buy cheap tea for the British people.	以便他们能为英国人民购买廉价茶叶。
647	When I studied history at this wonderful institution,	当我在这个美妙的机构学习历史时
648	my tutors forgot to tell me that the much-vaunted British Industrial Revolution	我的老师忘了告诉我英国的工业革命
649	wasn't just because of brilliant British inventors	不只是因为英国的发明家
650	like James Watt and his steam engine.	就像詹姆斯·瓦特和他的蒸汽机一样
651	It was because the Caribbean slave trade	因为加勒比奴隶贸易
652	produced so much excess capital for the British	为英国人生产了这么多多余的资本
653	that they could then invest in the canals and railways	他们可以投资运河和铁路
654	that were instrumental in increasing the speed of British industrialization.	这有助于提高英国工业化的速度。
655	Not only that, during this time period,	不仅如此在此期间
656	half a million slaves died on British ships traversing the Atlantic.	50万奴隶死于穿越大西洋的英国船只上.
657	And to top it off, the British invented the concentration camp.	最重要的是英国人发明了集中营
658	In the early 20th century,	20世纪初,
659	the British interned the civilian boar population in South Africa.	英国将南非的平民野猪拘留
660	In those camps, tens of thousands of boars died,	在这些营地,成千上万的野猪死亡,
661	mostly children.	大部分是儿童。
662	From information?	从信息?
663	Surely the debate is not about Britain.	辩论肯定不是关于英国的。
664	It's about America.	这是关于美国。
665	Well, I'm getting to that.	好吧,我得到了这一点。
666	The point is, if you're going to move the goalposts	重点是,如果你要移动门柱
667	on the question of what an empire actually is,	关于什么是帝国的问题,
668	the word ceases to have any meaning,	这个词不再有任何意义,
669	and I'll explain in a minute.	我马上解释
670	So the other interesting thing,	所以另一个有趣的事情,
671	the British Empire is regarded as sort of a relatively benign empire,	大英帝国被认为是一个相对友善的帝国
672	compared to, say, the Spanish and Latin America,	与西班牙和拉丁美洲相比,
673	or the Belgians in the Congo,	或在刚果的比利时人,
674	or the thousand-year Reich in Europe under the Nazis.	或者纳粹统治下的欧洲千年帝国
675	So after 9-11, did the Americans do any of this?	在9 -11之后,美国人有做过吗?
676	And the answer is a resounding no.	答案是强烈的否定。
677	Iraq has the fifth-largest oil reserves of any country in the world.	伊拉克拥有世界上任何国家的第五大石油储备。
678	Did the United States, after the 2003 invasion,	美国在2003年入侵之后
679	expropriate or nationalize the Iraqi oil industry?	没收或收归国有的伊拉克石油工业?
680	No, it did not.	不,它没有。
681	Afghanistan is sitting on a trillion dollars of minerals,	阿富汗坐落在一万亿的矿物上,
682	including rare earths.	包括稀土。
683	Did the United States still appropriate,	美国是否仍然适当,
684	nationalize any of these minerals after 9-11?	在911之后将这些矿物国有化?
685	No, it did not.	不,它没有。
686	In fact, it's the Chinese that have a large copper mine	其实是中国人有大铜矿
687	in Afghanistan today, in northern Afghanistan.	今天在阿富汗,在阿富汗北部。
688	Instead, the United States spent trillions of American taxpayer dollars	相反,美国花费了数万亿美元的美国纳税人美元
689	to build up the governments and militaries of Afghanistan and Iraq.	建立阿富汗和伊拉克的政府和军队。
690	And why did they do that?	他们为什么要这么做?
691	They did that because they wanted to leave those countries.	他们这样做是因为他们想离开这些国家。
692	This policy was known as transition to local government rule.	这一政策被称为向地方政府统治的过渡.
693	And speaking of Afghanistan,	说到阿富汗
694	when the Russian Soviet Empire invaded Afghanistan in 1979,	1979年俄罗斯苏维埃帝国入侵阿富汗时
695	using the most conservative estimates, it killed one million Afghans.	用最保守的估计,它杀死了100万阿富汗人。
696	It made a third of the population homeless.	它使三分之一的人口无家可归。
697	When the United States went into Afghanistan after 9-11,	当911之后美国进入阿富汗时
698	contrary to some discussions about	与关于
699	the movements of people caused by the war on terror,	反恐战争造成的人员流动,
700	millions of Afghan refugees returned to Afghanistan	数百万阿富汗难民返回阿富汗
701	from neighboring Pakistan and Iran,	来自邻国巴基斯坦和伊朗,
702	precisely because they still could see a better future	正是因为他们仍然能看到更美好的未来
703	in post-9-11 Afghanistan.	9-11之后的阿富汗。
704	And now the Russian Empire is at it again,	而现在俄罗斯帝国又来了
705	trying to swallow Ukraine,	试图吞没乌克兰,
706	unleashing indiscriminate murder and mayhem on civilians across Ukraine.	乌克兰各地不分青红皂白地对平民进行谋杀和攻击。
707	In contrast, it's a very strange empire	相反,这是一个非常奇怪的帝国
708	whose leaders consistently push	其领导人不断推动
709	to withdraw their forces from their purported empire.	让他们的军队撤出所谓的帝国
710	As is well known, when the United States went into Afghanistan,	众所周知,当美国进入阿富汗时,
711	it was with a very small force after 9-11,	9 -11事件后部队规模很小
712	110 CIA officers, 300 special forces soldiers.	110名中情局军官,300名特种部队士兵.
713	Every president since President Barack Obama	奥巴马总统以来的每一位总统
714	sought to get out of Afghanistan.	试图逃离阿富汗。
715	President Obama went down to 9,800 U.S. soldiers	奥巴马总统降为9800名美国士兵
716	at the end of his second term in 2016.	2016年第二个任期结束时。
717	Trump, President Trump, negotiated a total U.S. withdrawal.	特朗普,特朗普总统谈判美国全面撤军.
718	And Biden went through with that withdrawal.	而拜登也经历了那段退出.
719	Similarly, every U.S. president since George W. Bush	同样,自乔治·W·布什之后的每一个美国总统
720	has tried to get out of Iraq.	试图离开伊拉克。
721	We're not defending the faulty intelligence case on WMD	我们不是在为关于大规模杀伤性武器的情报案件辩护
722	or indeed the kind of lies about Iraq and al-Qaeda.	或者是伊拉克和基地组织的谎言
723	Indeed, my colleague, our colleague Mike Leiter	确实,我的同事,我们的同事迈克·莱特
724	was instrumental in investigating the faulty claims	有助于调查错误的说法
725	about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction	关于伊拉克大规模毁灭性武器的报告
726	when he was the chief of staff on a congressional commission	当他担任国会委员会办公室主任时
727	that investigated the question.	他们调查了这个问题。
728	Nor are we defending the many missteps	我们也不捍卫许多错误
729	of the British and American occupation of Iraq	英国和美国占领伊拉克
730	that helped trigger the civil war there in 2005.	帮助引发了2005年的内战。
731	But, ladies and gentlemen, this debate is not happening in 2005.	但是,女士们先生们,2005年不会举行这场辩论。
732	This debate is happening in 2025.	这场辩论发生在2025年。
733	And a very great deal has changed in Iraq	在伊拉克发生了很大变化
734	over the past two decades.	过去20年。
735	It was the Bush administration that negotiated	是布什政府谈判
736	a total U.S. withdrawal from Iraq by December of 2011.	a 美国在2011年12月前全部撤出伊拉克。
737	President Obama then went through with that withdrawal.	奥巴马总统随后退出。
738	It's a strange empire that voluntarily pulls	这是一个奇怪的帝国自愿拉
739	its forces out of a country	其部队离开一国
740	and only returns those forces in small numbers	只归还少量部队
741	when the host government begs for it to do so.	当东道政府恳求.
742	The rise of ISIS in 2014, a terrorist army	2014年伊斯兰国崛起,恐怖主义军队
743	that seized control of almost half of Iraq	控制了几乎一半的伊拉克
744	and many of its major cities,	以及许多主要城市,
745	resulted in the Iraqi government begging	导致伊拉克政府乞讨
746	the United States to send its troops back to Iraq	美国将部队送回伊拉克
747	and a small number of American forces went to Iraq	少数美军前往伊拉克
748	and helped defeat the ISIS territorial caliphate	帮助打败了伊斯兰国的领土哈里发
749	that was once the size of the United Kingdom.	这曾经是英国的规模。
750	Now, our opponents have tried to move the goalposts	现在,我们的对手试图移动门柱
751	a little bit about what constitutes an empire	一点点关于什么构成一个帝国
752	with red herrings about the Patriot Act,	带着关于《爱国者法案》的红色牧草,
753	but we're not talking about domestic American politics here.	但我们不是在谈论美国国内政治
754	And also, this is to enlarge the concept of empire,	这也是为了扩大帝国的概念
755	so it simply has no meaning at all.	所以它根本就没有意义
756	We know what empires do.	我们知道帝国会做什么
757	They loot resources, they take over countries,	他们掠夺资源,占领国家,
758	they stay for a long time.	他们呆了很久
759	They do what the British did.	他们做英国人做的事
760	They do what the Spanish did.	他们像西班牙人一样
761	The Americans did not do this.	美国人没有这样做。
762	And think about the American military personnel	想想美国军人
763	that are posted here in the United Kingdom,	在英国这里,
764	some of them not very far from here, 10,000 of them.	有些离这里不远有一万个
765	Are they occupying the United Kingdom?	他们是否占领了联合王国?
766	No, they're here by mutual agreement	不,他们是经双方同意来的
767	between two sovereign countries.	两个主权国家之间。
768	And that's also true of the many countries around the world	世界上许多国家也是如此
769	since 9-11, the United States has posted troops to.	从911年开始,美国就向美国派驻部队.
770	So, in conclusion, if I can find my concluding remarks,	最后,如果我能找到我的结束语,
771	the Americans, after 9-11,	美国人,9 -11之后,
772	didn't starve millions of their subjects.	没有饿死他们数百万的臣民
773	They didn't steal the resources of these countries	他们没有偷这些国家的资源
774	around the world.	环绕世界.
775	They didn't create the opium trade.	他们没有创造鸦片贸易。
776	They didn't invent concentration camps	他们没有发明集中营
777	as the British did.	就像英国人那样
778	Instead, they kept trying to pull back	相反,他们一直试图撤退
779	from the countries where they had large numbers of troops.	他们拥有大量军队的国家
780	And it was against the wishes of the Afghan-elected government	这违背了阿富汗政府的意愿
781	and all of our NATO allies, including the British,	以及包括英国在内的北约盟友
782	that President Biden went through	拜登总统经过
783	with the total withdrawal of all U.S. troops from Afghanistan	美军全部撤出阿富汗
784	in the summer of 2021.	在2021年夏天,我们发现,
785	Similarly, the United States pulled out of Iraq in 2011,	同样,美国于2011年撤出伊拉克。
786	and only at the urging of the Iraqi government	只有在伊拉克政府敦促下
787	put troops back in in small numbers in 2014,	在2014年将部队人数减少,
788	some of whom remain there.	其中一些人仍然在那里。
789	1,500 American troops are still in Iraq	1500名美军仍在伊拉克
790	with the consent of the Iraqi government.	经伊拉克政府同意。
791	So it's a strange empire	所以这是个奇怪的帝国
792	that doesn't loot the countries it has troops in,	没有掠夺它有军队的国家,
793	keeps pulling its forces out of the countries	不停地把部队从国家撤出
794	it has large numbers of troops in.	里面有很多军队
795	And to say otherwise is to make the concept of empire	换句话说,就是造就帝国的概念
796	essentially meaningless.	基本上毫无意义。
797	So, ladies and gentlemen of the House,	女士们,先生们,
798	I hope you would agree with me	我希望你同意我的观点
799	that if America is an empire,	如果美国是一个帝国,
800	it's a very, very strange one.	这是一个非常,非常奇怪的。
801	Thank you.	谢谢
802	Thank you, Mr. Virgin, for your speech.	谢谢你,维尔京先生,你的发言。
803	I now look for a speaker from the House.	我现在从众议院找一个发言者。
804	Please, if you wish to make a floor speech,	请,如果你想发言,
805	raise your hand.	举手
806	Look for a speaker in proposition of the motion.	找一个发言人来提议动议
807	I recognize the member in the front row.	我认得前排的队员
808	Thank you, everyone, for being here.	谢谢各位光临
809	When we talk about American power after 9-11,	当我们谈论911之后的美国权力,
810	we have to ask what that means.	我们必须问这是什么意思。
811	Did the war on terror increase the sort of agency	反恐战争是否增加了机构种类
812	or power in the world of someone like me,	或我这样的人的世界中的力量,
813	a guy from New Jersey, who grew up,	一个从新泽西长大的人
814	whose earliest memory was seeing and smelling	最早的记忆是看到和闻到的
815	the burning flesh from New York?	来自纽约的烧肉?
816	No.	没有
817	Did it increase the agency of ordinary people like me	是不是增加了我这种普通人的能力
818	in Washington, in Pennsylvania,	在华盛顿,在宾夕法尼亚,
819	in all 50 states of this country?	在这个国家的所有50个州?
820	No.	没有
821	It increased the power of a small cloistered elite	它增加了一小撮精英的力量
822	in Washington, D.C., and in Israel,	华盛顿特区和以色列,
823	and in the Gulf states,	在海湾国家,
824	who are more loyal to each other	更忠于对方的人
825	than to the citizens and subjects of their own nations.	而不是他们本国公民和臣民。
826	How do they exercise this power?	他们如何行使这种权力?
827	Through a network of client states	通过客户国网络
828	and proxy forces across the Middle East,	和中东各地的代理势力,
829	much like the British Empire used,	就像大英帝国一样
830	through a financial infrastructure	通过金融基础设施
831	and sanctions infrastructure	和制裁基础设施
832	that controls the flow of money throughout the world,	控制着世界范围内的资金流动,
833	and finally, all of this is backstopped	最后,所有这一切都得到了支持
834	by a permanent American military presence	美国常驻军事机构
835	in the Middle East,	在中东,
836	which has sort of learned over time	已经学会了一段时间
837	not to put boots on the ground	别把靴子放在地上
838	because that becomes unpopular	因为这变得不受欢迎
839	and you have to deal with the rabble,	你必须对付暴动,
840	but through airstrikes, drones,	但通过空袭,无人机,
841	and surveillance of other countries.	并监视其他国家。
842	Was this weaponized?	这个武器化了吗?
843	We talk about intent.	我们谈论的是意图。
844	I think the biggest proof is in the pudding.	我认为最大的证据是布丁。
845	Is this network of American power in the Middle East	中东的美国势力网
846	used to counter al-Qaeda or the Taliban	基地组织或塔利班
847	or associated forces?	或相关部队?
848	No.	没有
849	It is mostly directed against Iran.	它主要针对伊朗。
850	Why?	为什么?
851	Iran, a country which has never attacked Americans	伊朗,一个从未攻击过美国人的国家
852	inside of America.	在美国内部
853	Why?	为什么?
854	Because Iran threatens the Gulf states,	因为伊朗威胁海湾国家,
855	it threatens Israel, certainly,	它威胁着以色列,
856	and it threatens the American military presence,	它威胁到美国的军事存在,
857	which is in the Middle East by choice	中东选择
858	and largely inherited the British Empire.	并且基本上继承了大英帝国.
859	But don't think the Middle East is the only country	但不要认为中东是唯一的国家
860	which the war on terror has allowed America	美国在反恐战争中
861	to expand its power.	以扩大其力量。
862	A few days after 9-11,	9 -11的几天后,
863	when New York was still burning	当纽约还在燃烧
864	and I was still watching with horror	我仍然惊恐地看着
865	at what was happening,	发生了什么事,
866	a certain undersecretary of state	某某国次官
867	would be named Doug Fythe,	将命名为道格・菲斯,
868	whom some people in the proposition may know,	他或许知道,
869	wrote a memo suggesting	写了一份备忘录,建议
870	that the United States bombed South America.	美国轰炸南美洲。
871	This was disclosed as part	该部分已披露。
872	of the official 9-11 commission report	9-11委员会正式报告
873	and widely mocked in the press.	并被媒体广泛嘲笑。
874	Why attack South America	为什么攻击南美
875	over something an Islamist group did?	因为伊斯兰集团做了什么?
876	Well, after the Iraq war,	伊拉克战争之后
877	that didn't seem so ridiculous.	这看起来没那么可笑
878	After the Trump administration	在特朗普政府之后
879	tried to use 9-11 as an excuse to attack Iran,	试图用9 -11作为攻击伊朗的借口,
880	that doesn't sound so ridiculous.	这听起来并不可笑。
881	And now we do, in fact,	而现在,事实上,
882	have a Latin American front of the war on terror.	拥有拉丁美洲反恐战线
883	The United States military is now gearing up	美国军方正在准备
884	for a war of choice in Venezuela,	在委内瑞拉的一场战争
885	basically tying up a loose end,	基本上绑上一个松散的结局,
886	a problem for...	一个问题...
887	No, tying up a loose end,	不,绑上一条松散的路
888	basically out of nowhere, right?	基本上出乎意料,对不对?
889	The Venezuelan problem has been around for a while	委内瑞拉问题已经存在一段时间
890	just because they can.	只是因为他们可以。
891	With the tortured logic that	以严酷的逻辑
892	because drugs kill Americans,	因为毒品杀死了美国人
893	therefore cartels are terrorists,	因此,卡特尔是恐怖分子,
894	therefore because of the legal infrastructure	因此,由于法律基础设施
895	set up after 9-11,	9 -11后设置,
896	we can kill terrorists	我们可以杀死恐怖分子
897	and the Venezuelan government	委内瑞拉政府
898	is connected to cartels,	和卡特尔有关
899	therefore it's a terrorist government	所以这是个恐怖政府
900	and let's invade it.	让我们入侵它。
901	This has been, certainly,	这当然是
902	was the legal framework for attacking Iran	是攻击伊朗的法律框架
903	and this is going to be repeated	这将会重演
904	over and over again throughout the world,	一遍又一遍地在世界各地,
905	not on Americans.	不对美国人
906	Thank you very much.	谢谢
907	Thank you.	谢谢
908	I now look for a speaker	我现在找一个发言人
909	in opposition of the motion.	反对动议。
910	No one wants to oppose the motion.	没有人反对这个动议。
911	Three, I want to do it,	三,我想这样做,
912	we're going to do like an auction.	我们要像拍卖一样做
913	Any speaker in opposition of the motion?	有谁反对动议?
914	Oh, Johnny Buchanan.	哦,约翰尼布坎南。
915	I suppose in framing this,	我想在设定这个时
916	we haven't necessarily considered	我们没有考虑过
917	whether America's aim works	美国的目标是否有效
918	because broadly speaking,	因为总的来说,
919	I'm trying to contextualize this	我想把事情搞成这样
920	in the wider frame	在更广泛的框架内
921	that we're sitting at the moment.	我们正坐着呢
922	We're talking about a global superpower	我们说的是全球超级大国
923	that has gone through	已经过去了
924	an incredibly tortured period	令人难以置信的折磨期
925	after facing an incredibly deep wound.	面对极其深重的伤口
926	It's gone about doing that	事情已经过去了
927	in a way that I'm sure many of us	我敢肯定我们很多人
928	in this room would think	在这个房间里会觉得
929	isn't necessarily the right way to do it.	不一定是正确的方法做到这一点。
930	Does that mean that it	这是否意味着
931	was actually trying to further its aims	试图推进它的目标
932	by doing those things?	通过做那些事情?
933	I think really what we need	我想我们真的需要什么
934	to face ourselves with	面对我们自己
935	is the fact that America really	事实是美国真的
936	those successive governments	历届政府
937	have been following through	一直跟踪
938	the viewpoints,	观点,
939	the natural conclusions	自然结论
940	of that country's stated aims and goals	所述目的和目标
941	to spread those to other countries	传播到其他国家
942	rightly or wrongly,	无论对错
943	but not with the express aim	但并没有明确的目标
944	of increasing its own power.	增强自己的力量
945	And so as to whether	以及是否
946	that's been successful or not,	不管成功与否
947	I mean, the first speaker	我的意思是,第一位发言者
948	of the proposition made the excellent point	该提议提出了很好的观点
949	that it hasn't been successful.	还没成功
950	And so I think the results	所以我认为结果
951	speak for themselves.	为自己说话。
952	If it was the case	如果是这样
953	they were trying to increase their power,	他们试图增加他们的力量,
954	then why would they go about	那他们为什么要去
955	entering those countries	进入这些国家
956	and not exploiting the resources?	而不利用资源?
957	I think honestly,	说实话
958	this comes down to truly held beliefs,	这归根结底是真正的信仰,
959	right or wrong,	不管是对还是错
960	because this is a natural conclusion.	因为这是一个自然的结论。
961	Yes, it isn't pretty.	是的,这不漂亮。
962	Yes, it isn't the result	是的,这不是结果
963	that we'd like to see necessarily,	我们想看到,
964	but it isn't on the basis	但这不是基于
965	of trying to increase its own power.	试图增加自己的力量。
966	And taking cheap shots at the David,	和便宜拍摄大卫,
967	sorry, at the Goliath in the conversation	对不起,在歌利亚的谈话中
968	doesn't necessarily make that point.	不一定说出这一点。
969	Thank you.	谢谢
970	I now look for one more speaker	我现在再找一个发言者
971	in proposition of the motion.	在动议中。
972	哦,我认得XCCC。
973	Thank you, Mr. President.	谢谢你,总统先生。
974	And it's a pleasure to be with you	很高兴与你同在
975	at your last debate.	在你的最后一次辩论。
976	Now, Mr. Bergen earlier	现在,伯根先生早些时候
977	talked about the British Empire	谈到大英帝国
978	and he was trying to bamboozle us.	他试图鞭打我们。
979	And this might have worked	这也许有用
980	if we were at the Cambridge Union.	如果我们在剑桥联盟。
981	Their empire peaked in 1209	他们的帝国在1209年达到顶峰
982	when they stole some students from Oxford.	当他们偷了一些学生从牛津。
983	But we are aware that there are	但我们意识到
984	many different kinds of empire.	许多不同的帝国。
985	Sure, there was the Spanish and British,	当然有西班牙人和英国人
986	but the Chinese Empire operated	但中华帝国运作
987	with a network of tributaries	拥有支流网络
988	where everyone provided what they were best at.	在那里每个人都提供了他们最擅长的东西。
989	That might be a concession	这也许是个让步
990	to allow you to have a military base.	让你有一个军事基地
991	That might be mineral rights.	这可能是矿权。
992	It might even be a jumbo jet	它甚至可能是一个大喷气式飞机
993	from a country that is very good	从一个非常好的国家
994	at producing great sweets.	生产大甜点。
995	We're also aware of the Empire of Majapahit,	我们也知道马贾帕希特帝国
996	which used its spiritual power	利用它的精神力量
997	to influence its neighbors.	影响它的邻居。
998	And what greater religion	伟大的宗教
999	than the US dollar,	比美元还多
1000	which even Islamic State	甚至是伊斯兰国
1001	was forced to adhere to.	被迫坚持。
1002	When Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi	阿布·巴克尔·巴格达迪
1003	spoke at the mosque in Mosul,	在摩苏尔清真寺讲话,
1004	he was wearing a fancy watch.	他戴着漂亮的表
1005	So here in Oxford,	在牛津这里
1006	where every British Prime Minister	每一个英国首相
1007	who has been to university,	曾经上过大学,
1008	other than Gordon Brown since 1937,	从1937年起除了戈登·布朗
1009	has been to this university.	去过这所大学
1010	And what a wonderful job they've done.	和多么出色的工作他们已经做了。
1011	What a wonder.	真是个奇迹
1012	Let's clap for the British Prime Ministers.	我们为英国首相鼓掌吧
1013	We have long experience in Empire,	我们在帝国有很长的经验
1014	and so there's this wonderful expression	因此,有一个美妙的表达
1015	that I really enjoy.	我真的很喜欢。
1016	It takes one to know one,	认识一个人需要时间
1017	which means, of course,	这当然意味着
1018	that if you're experienced with doing things,	如果你有做事情的经验
1019	especially notorious things,	特别是臭名昭著的事
1020	it's easier to spot it in others.	在别人身上更容易发现
1021	So let's go to the topic.	我们来谈谈话题吧
1022	Secretary Condoleezza Rice	康多莉扎·赖斯秘书
1023	said after 9-11	说911之后
1024	that it was important to act	行动的重要性
1025	while the clay was still wet.	泥土还湿着呢
1026	And we'll know what this means,	我们知道这意味着什么,
1027	that she wanted to make the most of the situation.	她想尽最大的努力
1028	But it was also evoking	但它也在引用
1029	the world's oldest empire,	世界最古老的帝国
1030	the Akkadian Empire,	阿卡迪亚帝国,
1031	a Sargon of Akkad,	阿卡德的沙贡,
1032	which people used clumps of mud	人们用泥浆
1033	from beneath their feet in southern Iraq,	从他们脚下在伊拉克南部,
1034	and used the tall reeds,	用高大的芦苇,
1035	the grasses, to write their letters.	草木,写他们的信。
1036	And they had to be baked, these records,	他们必须被烤, 这些记录,
1037	before the clay was dry again.	在粘土又干之前,
1038	But more importantly, legally,	但更重要的是,在法律上,
1039	the authorization of the use of military force	授权使用武力
1040	that was put into effect after 9-11	9-11之后生效的
1041	was only 60 words long.	只有60个字长。
1042	Ladies and gentlemen,	女士们,先生们,
1043	there are more words	还有很多话要说
1044	in The Hungry Little Caterpillar	在饥饿的小卡特彼勒
1045	than was used there.	而不是在那里使用过。
1046	It named no enemy, no geography,	没有敌人,没有地理
1047	anyone who the president deemed responsible,	凡总统认为有责任的人
1048	they could use force.	他们可以使用武力。
1049	And within little over a decade,	十年多之后,
1050	they were in Yemen,	他们当时在也门
1051	they were in Somalia,	他们在索马里,
1052	they were in Libya,	他们在利比亚
1053	they were everywhere, ladies and gentlemen,	到处都是,女士们先生们,
1054	and not just in Iraq.	不仅仅是在伊拉克
1055	So both the intent and the effect are clear,	所以意图和效果都很明显
1056	and I urge you to propose the motion.	我敦促你提出动议
1057	Thank you.	谢谢
1058	Thank you for that speech.	谢谢你的演讲
1059	I now look to Secretary Choradov	我现在找乔拉多夫国务卿
1060	to continue the case for side opposition.	继续支持反对派。
1061	Well, thank you,	谢谢
1062	members of the House,	众议员,
1063	for having me here to discuss	我在这里讨论
1064	this very, very important issue.	这个非常重要的问题
1065	I do want to observe, though,	但我确实想观察一下
1066	that the motion here talks about	动议在这里谈论
1067	weaponizing the global war on terror	将全球反恐战争武器化
1068	with respect to the issue of creating an empire,	关于建立一个帝国的问题,
1069	although I've simply heard	虽然我只听说
1070	a litany of general complaints,	大量一般申诉,
1071	like the USA PATRIOT Act	就像美国爱国者法
1072	is too difficult on banks,	银行太难了
1073	or this particular thing	或者这个东西
1074	doesn't have enough legal protections around it.	没有足够的法律保护围绕它。
1075	So maybe the motion ought to be	所以也许这个动议应该是
1076	everything that we don't like	我们不喜欢的一切
1077	is attributable to the global war on terror.	这可归因于全球反恐战争。
1078	But what I would actually say to you is this, and I'm going to speak a little differently	但我真的要跟你说的就是这个,我要说点不同的
1079	than some of the other speakers, because I do from direct personal experience.	而不是其他发言者,因为我直接亲身经历。
1080	The bottom line is this.	底句是这个.
1081	The global war on terror and what happened on 9-11 changed the risk tolerance for national	全球反恐战争和9-11日发生的情况改变了国家的风险容忍度。
1082	security threats in a profound way.	安全威胁十分严重。
1083	And there's a reason for that.	则有因缘.
1084	If, like I was, you were on duty with a responsibility for dealing with terrorism on September 11th	如果像我一样,你在9月11日负责对付恐怖主义
1085	and you heard about the first plane and then the second plane hitting, and then when you	你听说了第一架飞机然后第二架飞机被击中然后当你
1086	went into the command center, you had to get on the phone with people who had lost loved	进入指挥中心,你不得不打电话与失去爱的人
1087	ones on plane to ask whether their loved one had spoken to them by phone before the plane	有人在飞机上问起他们的爱人是否在飞机前通过电话与他们交谈
1088	went down to describe where the hijackers were sitting so we could identify their names	去描述劫机者坐在哪里这样我们就能找出他们的名字
1089	and begin to track the network and web of people who were going to carry out not just	并开始追踪网络和网络的人谁将要执行
1090	attacks on 9-11, but potentially more attacks the next day or the next week.	攻击在911, 但可能更多的攻击在第二天或下周。
1091	That changes your risk tolerance.	这改变了你的风险承受能力。
1092	At that point, the presumption can no longer be absent enough evidence to convict in a	届时,不能再缺乏足够的证据,无法在下述情况下定罪:
1093	court of law, we're not going to do anything, it has to be we're going to remove the tools	法庭,我们不会做任何事情, 它必须是我们要去除工具
1094	and the platforms and the capabilities that allow terrorist groups to flourish and carry	* 使恐怖主义集团得以蓬勃发展和活动的平台和能力
1095	out their attacks.	他们的进攻。
1096	And another thing that comes to mind when you're on that day in the middle of the battle	还有一件事,当你在战斗的那天
1097	is that this is not the first terrorist attack.	这是不是第一次恐怖袭击。
1098	There have been terrorist bombings from Al-Qaeda in embassies in Tanzania and in Kenya.	在坦桑尼亚和肯尼亚的大使馆发生了基地组织的恐怖主义爆炸事件。
1099	The USS Cole, a naval vessel in the Gulf, was bombed.	海湾海军舰艇科尔号遭到轰炸。
1100	These were carried out not secretly, but proudly by Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda, making it	这些行动不是秘密进行的,而是由乌萨马·本·拉丹和“基地”组织所为,因此,
1101	very clear that there was no intent on his part to renounce acts of violence killing	很明显,他并不打算放弃暴力杀戮行为
1102	innocent civilians, but rather to gear it up again and again.	而不是一次又一次地装好
1103	And I might add, as it relates to Afghanistan, that Mullah Omar in the 1990s, while all this	我想补充一下,关于阿富汗, 奥马尔毛拉在1990年代, 而这一切
1104	was going on, warmly embraced Osama bin Laden and gave him a protected domain and area that	并给了他一个受保护的领地和地区
1105	he could have training camps in, he could experiment with chemical weapons that could	他可以有训练营, 他可以实验化学武器可以
1106	possibly be used, and that he could plan and order his, yeah.	他可以计划并订购他的,是的。
1107	It may well be that the camps originally and what got Mullah Omar trained originally was	很可能这些营地以及奥马尔毛拉最初训练的
1108	not because of anything other than American assistance, which he wanted.	不是因为他想要的美国援助
1109	He wanted to be trained because the Russians were there to carry out empire building.	他想被训练,因为俄国人在那里执行帝国建筑.
1110	The fact that he then turned that to embrace bin Laden, when bin Laden was very clear he	当本·拉登说得很清楚时
1111	was going to carry out terrorist acts, suggests that he was the one who transformed over a	他打算实施恐怖行动, 暗示他就是那个改变自己
1112	period of time.	期限。
1113	So one of the things that you have to recall when you look at what happened on September	所以当你看九月发生的事情时,你必须记得一件事
1114	11, the subsequent decision to go into Afghanistan, is this was about we cannot simply react anymore.	11,随后决定进入阿富汗, 是因为我们不能再简单地作出反应。
1115	It can't be like we've done in the past with the bombings at the embassy or the coal,	这不可能像我们过去在大使馆和煤的爆炸案一样
1116	where we launched a missile strike as retaliation.	我们发射导弹作为报复
1117	We have got to take away the tools and the vehicles and the platforms which are being	我们必须把工具、车辆和平台拿走
1118	used to mount attacks that could potentially become catastrophic, even beyond the 3,000	用来发动可能变成灾难性的攻击,甚至超过3 000次
1119	people who lost their lives on 9-11.	在9 -11上牺牲的人
1120	But I will say this, even with that in mind, the U.S. did not take steps in Afghanistan	但我要说的是,即使考虑到这一点,美国在阿富汗没有采取步骤
1121	to go in as if they're going to build an empire and take it over.	仿佛他们要建立一个帝国接管它
1122	As was said, there were no exploitation of rare earth minerals or other kind of wealth.	如前所述,没有开采稀土矿物或其他财富。
1123	The number of troops and CIA agents sent in were a few hundred.	派遣的军队和中情局特工人数为数百人.
1124	What the U.S. did do is assist the Northern Alliance, which was an indigenous group fighting	美国所做的是帮助北方联盟, 这是一个土著群体战斗
1125	against Mullah Omar, to assist them to carry out in deposing Mullah Omar and ultimately	协助他们推翻奥马尔毛拉,并最终
1126	in opening the door to finding bin Laden and removing him and punishing him or incapacitating	打开了寻找本·拉登的大门,把他带走,惩罚他或使其丧失能力
1127	him.	他,他是谁?
1128	So it was not the U.S. that was putting large bodies of troops into Afghanistan.	所以不是美国把大批军队投入阿富汗。
1129	It was Afghans themselves who were fighting to reclaim their country with the U.S. offering	正是阿富汗人自己在为收复国家而斗争,美国提供
1130	intelligence, some training, and obviously looking for bin Laden and bin Laden's personal	情报,一些训练, 很明显地寻找本拉登和本拉登的个人
1131	principal aides.	校长助理。
1132	We did get into a digression of the Patriot Act, but it's a good opportunity for me again	我们确实陷入了爱国者法案的分裂,但对我来说这是个好机会
1133	to illustrate how you're getting a version of events that is ahistorical, doesn't really	来说明你是如何得到一个版本的事件是历史的,不是真的
1134	understand the context in which things happen.	理解事情发生的背景。
1135	So let's talk about the Patriot Act for a minute.	我们谈谈爱国者法案
1136	Much of what the Patriot Act did was create a legal symmetry between the investigative	《爱国者法》所做的大部分工作是在调查之间建立法律对称性。
1137	tools that can be used in counterterrorism and investigative tools in ordinary criminal	可用于反恐的工具和用于普通刑事侦查工具
1138	cases.	案例。
1139	And you know what?	你知道吗?
1140	Prior to the Patriot Act, if you were investigating a marijuana case, you could use methods of	在《爱国者法》之前如果你正在调查大麻案件你可以使用
1141	surveillance of the U.S. law that you could not use if you were hunting for a terrorist	对美国法律的监视,如果你在追捕恐怖分子,你就不能使用
1142	who was going to blow up a building.	他打算炸掉一栋大楼
1143	That seemed a little bit disproportionate, and I think that Congress, both parties, almost	这似乎有点不成比例, 我认为国会, 双方,几乎
1144	unanimously agreed they had to fix that.	他们一致同意必须解决这个问题。
1145	Another thing that the Patriot Act changed was prior to 9-11, if there was an intelligence	爱国者法案改变的另一件事是在911之前如果有情报的话
1146	agency and there was a law enforcement agency, they could not share information between	他们无法在执法机构之间分享信息。
1147	the two unless the court ordered that this be permitted in this one instance.	除非法院下令允许在此情况下这样做。
1148	So the ability to connect the dots, all the data and fit it together didn't really exist	所以,连接点的能力,所有的数据和连接在一起的能力并不是真的存在
1149	except by going through a cumbersome process.	除非经过繁琐的过程
1150	Again, I'll tell a personal story.	再说一遍,我会讲个人故事
1151	Two days after 9-11, a judge brought down the wall and said, I'm suspending this division.	9-11的两天后,一名法官把城墙推倒,说:"我要中止这个师.
1152	You can now share information.	您现在可以共享信息。
1153	And so an FBI intelligence agent came in to see me, and he said, here's a report I wrote	于是联邦调查局的情报员来找我他说我写了一份报告
1154	that I want to show you.	我想告诉你。
1155	And what the report said was, there's a fellow named Zacharias Musawi who has come into the	报告里说有个叫扎卡里亚斯·穆萨维的人
1156	United States, and he's going to a flight school in Omaha.	美国,他要去奥马哈的一所飞行学校.
1157	And there's no way this guy is ever going to get hired to be a commercial airline pilot.	这个人不可能被雇为商业航空公司的飞行员
1158	And he also left before they taught you how to land the plane.	在他们教你如何降落飞机之前,他也离开了
1159	And then I said, oh, my God, this is true.	然后我说,哦,我的上帝,这是真的。
1160	The agent writes, I don't think this guy really wants to be a commercial pilot.	代理写道,我不认为这家伙真的想成为一个商业飞行员。
1161	I think if he gets his way, he'll put a plane into the World Trade Center.	我想如果他有办法他会把飞机送进世贸中心
1162	That was written before that happened.	这是在那之前写的。
1163	That will certainly wake you up to the fact that a wall that artificially prevents you	那当然会唤醒你,事实上,一堵墙人为地阻止你
1164	from connecting the dots is not something that ought to be continued.	从连接点不应该继续下去。
1165	So these were all, I think, elements of what really happened that goes on.	因此,我认为,这些都是真正发生的事情的元素。
1166	So let me also say something, a couple of final things about going to Afghanistan.	因此,让我也说几句话,关于前往阿富汗的几件事。
1167	First, I will observe to you that in addition to being very measured in the forces that	首先,我要向你们指出,除了在部队中衡量外,
1168	were deployed, NATO backed this up.	北约支持了这次行动
1169	The only time Article 5 was invoked was in response to the 9-11 attacks.	援引第5条的唯一一次是对9-11袭击的回应。
1170	And in general, there was international support and assistance, including British troops,	总的来说,有国际支持和援助, 包括英国军队,
1171	to assist going in.	帮助进入。
1172	And finally, I want to say one other thing.	最后,我想说一件事。
1173	The problem didn't go away instantly, and it never really has totally gone away	问题并没有立刻消失,它从来没有真正完全消失
1174	although we haven't had a successful transatlantic or international terrorist attack	虽然我们没有成功跨大西洋或国际恐怖袭击
1175	into the United States of any scale since September 11th because of the work was done.	9月11日以后,由于工作完成,进入美国的任何规模。
1176	But I will tell you that Britain also benefited from what we did.	但我会告诉你,英国也受益于我们所做的一切。
1177	Because in 2006, I got a call that there was a plot to blow up 12 airliners	因为2006年我接到一个电话说有阴谋炸毁12架飞机
1178	leaving Heathrow Airport going to North America.	离开希思罗机场前往北美.
1179	And the US and the British governments were able to work together and uncover that	美国和英国政府合作发现了
1180	and get all the details because it was hatched by a fellow named Rashid Raouf	并获得所有的细节,因为它是由一个叫拉希德·劳夫的人孵化出来的
1181	who was hiding out in Afghanistan.	躲在阿富汗的那个人
1182	So this is not a problem that could be solved one and done, but even with the	所以这不是一个可以解决和解决的问题, 但即使与
1183	minimal amount of resources put into Afghanistan, what happened was we were able	向阿富汗投入的资源很少, 发生了什么事,我们做到了
1184	to save more lives, and that was the mission number one.	拯救更多的生命, 这是第一任务。
1185	Thank you very much.	谢谢
1186	Thank you.	谢谢
1187	我现在去找Saul Barcha, Jr.
1188	Welfare Officer, to conclude the case beside proposition.	福利官, 结束这个案子除了提议。
1189	All right.	好吧,我们走。
1190	Mr. President, honorable members, and esteemed guests, my fellow proponent Rosalie	主席先生,尊敬的成员,尊敬的嘉宾们,我的同仁,罗莎莉
1191	gave you the illustration of the day of September 11th.	给了你9月11日的插图
1192	Now I want you to imagine the days after September 11th, 2001.	现在我要你想象2001年9月11日之后的几天
1193	America was in shock and mourning.	美国当时震惊和哀悼.
1194	The world stood in sympathy.	世界站在同情的一边。
1195	In those dark hours, the American people entrusted their leaders with a mission,	在那些黑暗的时刻, 美国人民赋予他们的领导人的任务,
1196	a mission of justice and security.	正义和安全的使命。
1197	But what if that trust was misused?	但如果这种信任被滥用呢?
1198	What if 9-11 became a blank check, an open-ended license to project power	如果9 -11成为空白支票, 无限期的投放电力许可证
1199	in ways unrelated to catching the perpetrators?	与逮捕罪犯无关?
1200	Tonight, I stand before you as a third and the final speaker for the proposition	今晚,我站在你面前作为第三个也是最后的演讲人
1201	to argue that, yes, 9-11 was weaponized to expand the American empire.	说,是的,9 -11 被武器化以扩大美帝国。
1202	My colleagues from the proposition side have made my life easy by detailing	我来自提案方的同事们通过详细介绍使我的生活变得轻松
1203	how the war on terror defied precedent in its scale and scope	反恐战争如何在规模和范围上打破先例
1204	and how measures taken in its name overshot the bounds of genuine self-defense.	以及以其名义采取的措施如何超越真正自卫的范围。
1205	So in my speech, I will sort of summarize what they said and crystallize	所以在我的演讲中我会总结一下他们说的话并具体化
1206	why these actions amounted to an opportunistic imperial expansion.	为什么这些行动相当于帝国主义的机会扩张。
1207	But this is not to downplay the horror of the attacks.	但这不是为了淡化袭击的恐怖。
1208	Rather, it is to underline how that horror was cynically exploited for geopolitical gain.	而是要强调这种恐怖是如何被玩世不恭地利用来谋取地缘政治利益的。
1209	Mr. President, in the immediate aftermath of 9-11,	主席先生,9-11事件之后,
1210	a just response would have been to target those who planned and abetted the attacks,	正义的反应是针对那些策划和煽动袭击的人,
1211	namely al-Qaeda and its Taliban hosts.	即“基地”组织及其塔利班的东道国。
1212	Instead, even on the very day of 9-11,	相反,即使在9 -11的那一天,
1213	we see evidence that top officials were eyeing far broader targets.	我们看到有证据表明,最高层官员正在目视更广泛的目标。
1214	Consider this.	考虑一下
1215	Hours after the planes hit U.S.,	飞机袭击美国几小时后
1216	the Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, which my proponent, Donovan, also mentioned,	国防部长唐纳德·拉姆斯菲尔德我的支持者多诺万也提到
1217	he was already instructing his aides to find any excuse to hit Iraq.	他已经指示他的助手寻找任何借口袭击伊拉克。
1218	Iraq, a nation completely unconnected to 9-11,	伊拉克,一个完全与9 -11无关的国家,
1219	and his own notes from that day reveal the odors.	以及他从那天开始的笔记揭示了气味
1220	Hard to get good case, need to move swiftly,	很难得到好的案子,需要迅速行动,
1221	near-term targets, go massive, sweep it all up, things related and not.	近期目标,去大规模, 扫荡这一切, 事情相关和没有。
1222	Now, think about that for a moment.	现在,想想吧。
1223	America had been attacked by a non-state terrorist group.	美国遭到一个非国家恐怖主义集团的袭击。
1224	Yet, the instinct in Washington was to broaden the conflict dramatically,	然而,华盛顿的本能是大幅扩大冲突,
1225	to indulge things related and not.	任由事物相关而不相关
1226	Now, what could justify such a tangent?	现在,有什么理由可以证明这样切身?
1227	Only a mindset that saw 9-11 not solely as a tragedy to respond to,	只有一种心态,认为9 -11 不仅仅是一个悲剧应对,
1228	but as an opportunity to reshape the world map.	但作为重塑世界地图的机会
1229	And indeed, the intellectual architects of U.S. foreign policy at the time	事实上,当时美国外交政策的知识设计师
1230	had long been searching for a catalyst.	长期以来一直在寻找催化剂。
1231	Just one year before 9-11, a group of influential strategists,	就在911年前的一年一群有影响力的战略家
1232	as been mentioned before as well, the Project for a New American Century,	如前所述,美国新世纪项目
1233	lamented their vision for unchallenged U.S. military dominance	感叹他们对于美国军事统治的无人挑战的愿景
1234	that might take forever to achieve somewhat absent some catastrophic event	可能要花很长时间才能实现一些没有一些灾难性事件
1235	like a new Pearl Harbor.	像一个新的珍珠港。
1236	Ladies and gentlemen, that new Pearl Harbor, it came.	女士们先生们新珍珠港来了
1237	And those very ideologues, many of whom by 2001 held top posts	这些理论家,他们中许多人在2001年担任了最高职务
1238	in the Pentagon and the White House, they seized that moment.	在五角大楼和白宫他们抓住了那一刻
1239	As early as September 20, 2001, just nine days after 9-11,	早在2001年9月20日 9 -11的9天后
1240	they penned an open letter urging that America not stop at punishing al-Qaeda.	他们写了一封公开信,敦促美国不要停止惩罚基地组织。
1241	It insisted on a determined effort to remove Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq,	它坚持坚决努力使萨达姆·侯赛因在伊拉克下台,
1242	even if evidence does not link Iraq directly to 9-11 attack.	即使证据没有将伊拉克与9-11攻击直接联系起来。
1243	Could the imperial motive be any clearer than this?	帝国主义的动机能比这更清楚吗?
1244	Thus, the so-called global war on terror quickly morphed into a war of choice,	因此,所谓的全球反恐战争迅速演变成一场选择战争,
1245	a war of choice against a whole shopping list of regimes.	一场选择战争对抗整个购物清单政权。
1246	Retired NATO Commander Wesley Clark recalls visiting the Pentagon after 9-11	退役北约司令韦斯利·克拉克回忆911后访问五角大楼
1247	and being told of a White House plan to attack seven countries in five years,	并被告知一个白宫计划在五年内进攻七个国家,
1248	starting with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran.	从伊拉克开始,然后是叙利亚,黎巴嫩,利比亚,索马里,苏丹和伊朗.
1249	And none of those nations attacked the U.S. on 9-11,	911年,没有一个国家攻击美国
1250	yet somehow they ended up in the crosshairs.	但不知何故,他们最终在十字架上。
1251	Was this truly about preventing another terror attack	到底是为了防止另一起恐怖袭击
1252	or about remaking the Middle East under American dominance?	还是说重新把中东置于美国统治之下?
1253	I think the question answers itself.	我认为问题本身就得到了答案。
1254	With that mindset set in motion, look at what was done in the name of 9-11.	有了这种心态,看看以9-11的名义做了什么。
1255	The United States launched wars in Afghanistan and Iraq	美国在阿富汗和伊拉克发动战争
1256	and soon established a sprawling network of military presence around the globe.	并很快建立了遍布全球的庞大军事存在网络。
1257	Under the banner of fighting terror,	在反恐的旗帜下
1258	the U.S. military fanned out to places it had never been or had previously left.	美军向往它从未离开过或曾经离开过的地方
1259	In effect, 9-11 opened the floodgates for American power to extend its reach.	实际上,9-11打开了防洪闸,供美国强国扩大其范围.
1260	Consider a few examples.	考虑几个例子。
1261	Afghanistan, 2001.	阿富汗,2001年。
1262	Yes, the U.S. had to uproot al-Qaeda's base,	是的,美国不得不根除基地组织的基地,
1263	but the mission didn't stop at ousting terrorists.	但是任务并没有停止驱逐恐怖分子
1264	It became a 20-year occupation, an exercise in nation-building and permanent basing.	它成为20年的占领,是建国和永久基础的一项工作。
1265	The U.S. gained long-term footholds in Afghanistan	美国在阿富汗获得了长期的立足点
1266	and even established new bases in the surrounding region,	甚至在周边地区建立了新的基地,
1267	sort of planting itself on the doorstep of Central Asia.	在中亚的门阶上栽培自己
1268	Then Iraq, 2003.	之后是伊拉克,2003年。
1269	The invasion was sold on false pretenses of weapons of mass destruction, the notorious,	入侵是凭着大规模毁灭性武器的假象出售的臭名昭著的
1270	and insinuations of terror links.	和暗示恐怖联系。
1271	In truth, it realized a long-held goal to put the U.S. military in the heart of the oil-rich Gulf.	事实上,它实现了将美军置于石油丰富的海湾中心的长期目标.
1272	Washington poured forces into Iraq and built the largest embassy on earth in Baghdad	华盛顿向伊拉克注入部队,并在巴格达建造了世界上最大的大使馆
1273	and entangled itself deeply in the country's politics.	并深深地缠绕着国家的政治。
1274	A war that had zero to do with 9-11 was packaged as a part of the response to 9-11,	一场与9-11无关的战争被包装为9-11响应的一部分,
1275	an obvious case of weaponizing the attacks to justify a strategic prize.	一个明显的例子,将攻击武器化,以证明有战略价值。
1276	Number three, look at global military footprint of the United States.	第三,看看美国的全球军事足迹。
1277	By claiming a borderless, endless war on terror,	声称无边界无休止的反恐战争
1278	the U.S. effectively gave itself permission to insert forces wherever a terror threat might be alleged.	美国实际上允许在可能指称恐怖威胁的地方部署部队。
1279	New bases and access agreements sprang up from West Africa to Southeast Asia.	从西非到东南亚出现了新的基地和准入协定。
1280	The Pentagon struck deals to station troops or advisors in the Caucasus,	五角大楼袭击了高加索地区的军队或顾问
1281	the Horn of Africa, the Philippines, and the Central Asian states.	非洲之角、菲律宾和中亚国家。
1282	In fact, critics noted that the period saw the most significant expansion	事实上,批评者指出,这一时期的扩展最为显著。
1283	of U.S. global military presence since the end of Cold War.	美国自冷战结束以来的全球军事存在。
1284	To put a number on it, America's post-9-11 war on terror,	上面有数字美国911反恐战争后
1285	operations have spanned over 78 countries,	行动覆盖了78个国家,
1286	78 countries through airstrikes, combat deployments, or training missions across the world.	78个国家通过空袭,战斗部署,或训练任务在世界各地.
1287	No previous conflict had such a boundless geographic scope.	以前没有冲突具有如此无限的地域范围。
1288	This was an empire in all but name,	这是一个帝国除了名字,
1289	an American security blanket cast over a huge swathe of the globe.	一个美国的安全毯铺在了巨大的全球。
1290	And the final one, drone warfare and secret ops.	最后一个是无人机战和秘密行动
1291	This was a new form of warfare emerged and enabled by 9-11's blank checks.	这是9 -11空白支票产生的一种新的战争形式
1292	Drones struck far beyond any declared battlefield.	无人机远超任何战场
1293	The U.S. carried out strikes not just in Afghanistan and Iraq,	美国不仅在阿富汗和伊拉克进行了攻击,
1294	but in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Syria, and even the Philippines,	但是在巴基斯坦、也门、索马里、利比亚、叙利亚甚至菲律宾
1295	countries where American boots never officially trod.	美国靴子从未正式穿过的国家
1296	Simultaneously, U.S. special forces operated in the shadows conducting raids in dozens of countries.	与此同时,美国特种部队在暗中行动,在几十个国家进行突袭。
1297	We got used to hearing about drone strikes or commando operations	我们习惯于听到无人机攻击或突击行动
1298	in places most Americans couldn't even find on a map.	在大多数美国人都找不到地图的地方
1299	And all of it was justified under one word, terrorism.	所有这一切都是用一个词来解释的,恐怖主义。
1300	Along with these military adventures came the predictable windfalls for an aspiring empire.	随着这些军事冒险的到来,一个有抱负的帝国也迎来了可预见的暴利.
1301	Defense budgets exploded, rising over 20% in just a few years as the war on terror kicked off.	国防预算爆炸,仅仅几年内,随着反恐战争的展开,就上升了20%以上。
1302	And within America, powerful interests profited from defense contractors	在美国强大的利益集团从国防承包商那里获利
1303	securing lucrative contracts to private security firms deploying abroad.	- 确保向部署在国外的私营保安公司签订有利可图的合同。
1304	And at the same time, new strategic footholds were gained in geopolitically key regions.	同时,在地缘政治关键地区取得了新的战略立足点。
1305	I'll just move to conclusions because I don't have enough time, I guess.	我转而得出结论,因为我没有足够的时间,我想。
1306	Anyways, Mr. President, ladies and gentlemen, as I conclude, let us just reflect on the core of this motion.	总之,主席先生,女士们,先生们,在我结束发言时,让我们只考虑这项动议的核心。
1307	We ask whether 9-11 was weaponized to expand the American empire.	我们问9 -11是否被武器化以扩大美帝国.
1308	I think the evidence and outcomes are unambiguous.	我认为证据和结果是明确的。
1309	In the wake of that fateful day, the United States embarked on a course	在那个灾难性的日子之后,美国走上了一条航线
1310	that radically exceeded the mandate of self-defense.	这根本超出了自卫的任务范围。
1311	It launched what became an open-ended global war, extending to dozens of countries.	它发动了一场无限期的全球战争,扩展到数十个国家。
1312	It amassed unprecedented powers at home and indulged in hubris abroad.	它在国内聚集了前所未有的力量,并沉溺于国外的傲慢。
1313	Trillions of dollars were spent, hundreds of thousands of lives were lost,	花费了十几亿美元损失了数十万人
1314	and whole regions were thrown into turmoil.	整个地区都陷入了动荡之中。
1315	American leaders could have chosen a path of measured justice.	美国领导人本可以选择一条有节制的正义之路.
1316	Instead, they chose a road of ambitious power projection cloaked in the language of righteous vengeance.	相反,他们选择了一条用正义复仇语言遮掩的雄心勃勃的权力投射道路。
1317	I urge you to support this motion not out of an anti-American sentiment,	我敦促你支持这个动议不是出于反美情绪,
1318	but out of a commitment to truth and accountability.	但出于对真相和责任制的承诺。
1319	Only by admitting what truly happened, that fear was used to fuel overreach,	只有承认真相, 恐惧被用来助长过度接触,
1320	can we hope to prevent such exploitation of tragedy in the future.	我们能否希望防止今后发生这种利用悲剧的情况。
1321	The American people and the world deserve better than what was done in the name of 9-11.	美国人民和世界应该比以"9·11"的名义所做的更好.
1322	Let us affirm tonight that we see it clearly.	今晚让我们申明,我们清楚地看到这一点。
1323	This House believes 9-11 was indeed weaponized to expand the American empire.	本院认为9-11的确被武器化以扩张美帝国.
1324	And we say, let never again an event of collective suffering be so abused.	我们说,不要再这样滥用集体痛苦的事件。
1325	Thank you very much.	谢谢
1326	And now to conclude the case for side opposition, Mr. Michael Eder.	现在结束对侧面反对的理由迈克尔·埃德先生
1327	Mr. President, members, my fellow speaker, most importantly, thank you for having us to debate this motion.	主席先生,各位成员,我的同一位发言者,最重要的是,感谢你让我们辩论这项动议。
1328	Now, one of the great failings of 9-11 was a failure, as I said, to connect the dots.	现在,9 -11的巨大失败之一是一个失败,正如我说的,连接点。
1329	And as well intentioned as those supporting this motion are,	就像那些支持这个动议的人一样
1330	I fear they have suffered the very, very same fate.	我担心他们遭受同样的命运。
1331	They have failed to connect the dots, or more accurately,	他们没有连接到这些点,或者更准确地说,
1332	they have connected every dot ever known to man to support their proposition.	他们把人类所知道的每一个点都连接起来支持他们的主张
1333	But let's remind you of what that proposition is,	但是让我们提醒你,这个提议是什么,
1334	whether or not 9-11 was weaponized to expand the American empire.	911是否被武器化以扩大美帝国
1335	And I believe, at least at the Cambridge I went to, words and facts still matter.	我相信,至少在我去过的剑桥, 语言和事实仍然很重要。
1336	Was it an expansion of the empire?	是帝国的扩张吗?
1337	Now, if you sought to have a speaker stand up and close tonight to defend all of what has happened in the United States post-9-11,	现在,如果你想让一个演讲者站起来并关闭今晚为所有发生在美国9 -11事件,
1338	you have chosen the wrong person.	你选错人了
1339	In fact, I would love over drinks to tell you ten times more failures than what you cited.	事实上,我喜欢喝的酒告诉你十倍于你所说的失败。
1340	I lived through them, Secretary Chertoff lived through them, Peter Bergen identified them.	我活过他们切托夫国务卿活过他们彼得·伯根认出他们
1341	We are not here to defend wisdom, perfection at every turn.	我们在这里不是为了捍卫智慧和完美。
1342	In fact, much of what the United States did in the name of the war on terror was ham-handed, ill-handled,	事实上,美国以反恐战争的名义所做的很多事情,都是火腿手,手脚不当,
1343	sometimes illegal, but it was not in pursuit of an empire.	有时是非法的,但它不是在追求一个帝国。
1344	And it certainly did not, as we have readily established, established an empire.	当然,它并没有像我们所建立的那样建立一个帝国。
1345	So if words matter, if we take this motion seriously, what is quite clear is it must fail.	因此,如果言语重要,如果我们认真对待这一动议,那么显而易见的是,它必须失败。
1346	But history and facts need to be remembered, especially for those who have not lived through all of them.	但历史和事实需要记住,特别是对那些没有经历所有历史和事实的人。
1347	Now, I won't give you the list of attacks.	我不会给你攻击清单的
1348	We would be here until breakfast and I have a flight to catch.	我们会在这里直到早餐我有一个航班赶上。
1349	But on 7-7-2005, just 83 kilometers south, four terrorists inspired by al-Qaeda, trained by al-Qaeda,	但是在7 -7 -2005年,南方只有83公里四个受基地组织启发的恐怖分子接受基地组织的训练
1350	killed more than 52 in London.	在伦敦杀了超过52人
1351	Two weeks later, more terrorists trained by al-Qaeda to attack the London Underground.	两周后,更多受基地组织训练的恐怖分子袭击伦敦地下城.
1352	But the UK got off easy.	但英国很轻松
1353	In 2002, al-Qaeda's affiliate in Indonesia killed over 200, killing nationals from 20 countries on Earth,	2002年,“基地”组织在印度尼西亚的附属组织杀害了200多人,杀害了来自地球上20个国家的国民,
1354	not just Americans, trains in Madrid in 2004.	不仅仅是美国人,2004年在马德里的火车。
1355	Throughout 2010, across North Africa, the Middle East, East Africa, innocents murdered by al-Qaeda.	整个2010年,在整个北非,中东,东非,被基地组织杀害的无辜者.
1356	So we can take a snapshot of 9-11 and claim that everything that followed was in pursuit of an empire,	所以我们可以拍下9 -11的快照并声称接下来的一切都是为了追求一个帝国
1357	but this was not a perceived global risk, this was global carnage.	但这不是一种全球风险, 这是全球性的屠杀。
1358	And of course it came to the United States as well after 9-11.	当然,它来到了美国以及9 -11。
1359	In 2009, an al-Qaeda trained operative attempting to attack the New York City subway.	2009年,一名基地组织受训特工试图攻击纽约市地铁.
1360	In 2009, an al-Qaeda from Yemen operative trained using an underwear bomb to take down a plane landing in Detroit.	2009年,一名来自也门的基地组织特工接受训练,使用内衣炸弹击落一架降落在底特律的飞机.
1361	Charlie Hebdo in Paris in 2015.	2015年在巴黎的查理·赫布多.
1362	But then the question is, as you rightfully ask, how did the US respond?	但问题是,正如你正确地问的那样,美国是如何回应的?
1363	As I've said, sometimes ineffective, sometimes counterproductive, sometimes foolish.	如我所说,有时无效,有时适得其反,有时愚蠢.
1364	I know no one from Oxford would ever pursue such an unwise path.	我知道牛津没有人会走这种不明智的道路。
1365	It was not ideal, but you don't have to think it was ideal to question the wisdom or lack thereof of the proposition.	这并不是理想的,但你不必认为质疑这个提议是否明智是理想的.
1366	So what was the US response?	那么美国的反应是什么?
1367	Whether Pakistan, Yemen, Africa, or elsewhere, governments were not displaced.	无论巴基斯坦、也门、非洲还是其他地方,政府都没有流离失所。
1368	Now, you may not like the governments that survived, but the US did not go in and take out governments other than the rock which we have addressed.	现在,你可能不喜欢那些幸存下来的政府, 但是,美国没有去和消灭政府除了我们已经解决的岩石。
1369	And even then, the US tried to remove itself.	即便如此,美国也试图自行清除.
1370	Where was our Governor General?	我们的总督呢?
1371	Where was our Mountbatten?	我们的蒙巴顿呢?
1372	Nowhere.	没有
1373	No, I think I'm allowed to do that.	不我想我可以这么做
1374	Yes, Mr. President?	是的,总统先生?
1375	Happy to talk after.	后乐说.
1376	But maybe, as you said, you sort of suggest it wasn't about governments.	但是,也许,正如你说的, 你有点暗示这与政府无关。
1377	This is a new kind of empire.	这是一种新的帝国
1378	It was a global presence of military intelligence.	它是军事情报的全球存在。
1379	Well, there was.	有过
1380	But was it a footprint to control people, to control resources, to control governments?	但控制人民、控制资源、控制政府是不是足迹?
1381	No.	没有
1382	I don't remember the 101st Airborne going into Yemen or Somalia.	我不记得第101空降师进入也门或索马里了
1383	I don't remember an Anzac invasion into Indonesia.	我不记得安扎克入侵印度尼西亚了
1384	A strange empire indeed.	一个奇怪的帝国
1385	But maybe it was the empire that we displaced all the other colonial powers that preceded us.	但是,也许正是帝国,我们驱赶了我们之前所有其他殖民国家。
1386	Then why did President Obama not enter North Africa but instead seek to empower an ally who had supported,	那么为什么奥巴马总统没有进入北非,而是试图赋予一个曾支持,
1387	like many other Western allies, the invasion of Afghanistan to support the French to try to empower them?	就像许多西方盟友一样,入侵阿富汗是为了支持法国试图赋予他们权力?
1388	A strange empire, the US indeed.	一个奇怪的帝国,美国。
1389	Perhaps we allowed others to continue their European conquests, but a strange American empire indeed.	也许我们允许别人继续他们的欧洲征服,但的确是一个奇怪的美帝国.
1390	But it was economic.	但它是经济的。
1391	It was control of the economies.	这是对经济的控制。
1392	That's why we had an international force to support European access to the Gulf for oil against pirates in Somalia.	因此,我们有一支国际部队支持欧洲进入海湾,为索马里海盗提供石油.
1393	And as was previously stated, that's why, oh no, we didn't get the Iraqi oil.	正如之前所说, 这就是为什么,哦,不,我们没有得到伊拉克石油。
1394	Despite dots that you connect to say that that was all the plan.	尽管你连线的点说这是所有的计划。
1395	Or the rare earth minerals in Afghanistan that are now more controlled by the Chinese than the US.	或者阿富汗的稀土矿物现在被中国人控制得比美国还多
1396	So an odd empire indeed.	真是个奇怪的帝国
1397	Imperfectly pursued, war on terrorism, yes.	不完美地追求,反恐战争,是的。
1398	In the name of our allies in NATO.	以北约盟国的名义
1399	In the name of Muslims who are most hurt and killed by Al-Qaeda.	以被基地组织伤害和杀害最多的穆斯林的名义。
1400	In the name of the UK to help enable avoiding the next bombing, the next 7-7.	以英国的名义帮助避免下一次轰炸接下来的7 -7
1401	So what did our rivals do during this period?	我们的对手在这期间做了什么?
1402	Because of course, as an empire, one must expand and control.	当然,作为一个帝国,必须扩大和控制。
1403	And what do we see from Russia?	我们从俄罗斯看到什么?
1404	An attempt to expand their empire.	企图扩张他们的帝国.
1405	Where did the troops go?	部队去哪了?
1406	Where did the military bases get expanded?	军事基地在哪里扩大的?
1407	First in Syria and in Ukraine.	首先在叙利亚和乌克兰。
1408	Not the UK.	不是英国
1409	And what did the Chinese do?	中国人做了什么?
1410	The Chinese celebrated.	中国人庆祝.
1411	Now I appreciate it that you recognize the failure of the US and how the Chinese have benefited.	现在,我很感激你承认美国的失败,以及中国人是如何受益的。
1412	But what a strange empire we pursued.	但我们所追求的帝国多么奇怪
1413	In the name of defending the United States, we gave up the opportunity to expand our empire.	为了保卫美国,我们放弃了扩大帝国的机会.
1414	And the Chinese recognized that and took advantage.	而中国人也承认了这一点并占了上风.
1415	So, once again, if we are here to argue whether the US showed wisdom in all its actions, I'll come sit next to you.	所以,再次,如果我们在这里争论美国是否在所有行动中表现出智慧, 我会坐在你旁边。
1416	But that is not the proposition at hand.	但这不是手头的提议。
1417	And I do appreciate from one of the speakers the citation of Venezuela.	我确实感谢一位发言者引用委内瑞拉的话。
1418	I could not ask for a more perfect exception to prove my point.	我无法要求更完美的例外来证明我的观点。
1419	There's a gentleman by the name of John Yoo, now a professor at Berkeley.	有位绅士名叫约翰·柳,现为伯克利大学教授.
1420	One of the more conservative legal scholars who wrote much of the justification for the war on terror.	比较保守的法律学者之一,写了很多反恐战争的理由.
1421	And he himself has pointed out, as have many, including, I would say, three gentlemen in tuxedos sitting along the side,	他本人也指出过, 很多人,包括,我想说,三位穿着礼服的绅士,
1422	why the statements by the Trump administration about Venezuela and using the moniker of terrorism to support this has no basis in law or the US Constitution.	特朗普政府关于委内瑞拉的言论,
1423	It is, in fact, again, the exception that proves our point.	事实上,再次证明我们的观点的是例外。
1424	People are standing up.	众生起立.
1425	The John Yoo's of the world are standing up and saying, indeed, what the United States is doing in Venezuela is not a legitimate action against terrorism.	世界的刘约翰正在站起来说,事实上,美国在委内瑞拉的所作所为不是打击恐怖主义的合法行动。
1426	Because perhaps it is, for the first time now in 2025, an effort to use terrorism as an excuse to expand the empire.	因为,也许这是在2025年第一次利用恐怖主义作为扩大帝国的借口。
1427	But is that the weaponization of 9-11?	这是9 -11的武器化吗?
1428	That makes a mockery of this entire debate.	这是对这场辩论的嘲弄。
1429	Venezuela is no more about the war on terror than Cambridge will win the boat race later this year.	委内瑞拉不再关注反恐战争,
1430	So again, maybe in the name of being an American, I'm perfectly happy to tell you all the things that are wrong about our country.	再说一遍,也许我以美国的名义, 非常高兴地告诉你所有关于我们国家的错误。
1431	And we made many mistakes in the war on terror.	我们在反恐战争中犯了许多错误。
1432	But at its root was an effort to destroy Al Qaeda, which was largely accomplished, to defend innocents from around the globe from being killed by Al Qaeda in the UK, in the US, Indonesia, across the globe.	但从根本上来说,是摧毁“基地”组织的努力,这一努力已经基本完成,目的是保护来自世界各地的无辜者免遭“基地”组织在英国、美国、印度尼西亚和世界各地的杀害。
1433	We did so imperfectly.	我们做的如此不完美。
1434	We did so in ways that were also counter to our broader long-term national interests that kept us from perhaps sustaining the empire that to some extent had been built before.	我们这样做的方式也违背了我们更广泛的长期国家利益,这种利益使我们可能无法维持以前在某种程度上已经建立的帝国。
1435	So the war on terror may be criticized for many points.	因此反恐战争可能会受到许多批评.
1436	But I urge you not to misconnect the dots and make a similar mistake that was made by the United States before 9-11, but instead to look at the facts, examine the actual proposition that is up tonight, and vote against the absurdity that 9-11 was weaponiz	但我敦促你们不要错误地把点连接起来,犯类似美国在9-11之前所犯的错误,而是要审视事实,审查今晚的实际主张,并投票反对9-11被武器化以实现一个美帝国的荒谬主义.
1437	Thank you very much.	谢谢
1438	Thank you, and it's my pleasure.	谢谢,这是我的荣幸
1439	With that, for the last time, Musa Haraj, Baylor College, your president.	最后一次是穆萨・哈拉伊贝勒学院的总统
1440	And I'm out!	我出来了!
1441	Thank you, and it's my pleasure.	谢谢,这是我的荣幸

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