【牛津辩论】本院认为，与其失去乌克兰，不如与俄罗斯开战
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| 0:01 | The motion of tonight's debate is this House would rather go to war with Russia than lose Ukraine. | 今晚辩论的动议是本院宁愿与俄罗斯开战,也不愿失去乌克兰. |
| 0:08 | Beginning the case on side proposition is our very own Harry Aldridge, Librarian-elect. | 我们自己的哈里·奥尔德里奇 图书馆员当选人 |
| 0:25 | Good evening everyone and thank you Madame President for giving me the opportunity to speak this evening. | 大家晚上好,谢谢您 总统夫人给我今晚的演讲机会 |
| 0:30 | Tonight we don't meet to discuss a preference for conflict, but to acknowledge a catastrophe of inaction. | 今晚我们不开会讨论冲突倾向,而是承认无所作为的灾难. |
| 0:37 | We are not choosing simply between war and peace. | 我们不只是在战争与和平之间作出选择。 |
| 0:40 | We are choosing between a principled stance today or a humiliating surrender tomorrow. | 我们正在选择今天的原则立场或明天的屈辱投降。 |
| 0:45 | Because what we are being asked to decide tonight is not simply a matter of foreign policy, nor even a question of military strategy. | 因为今晚要求我们决定的不仅仅是外交政策问题,甚至军事战略问题。 |
| 0:53 | It is a question about the kind of world we are prepared to accept. | 这是一个关于我们准备接受什么样的世界的问题。 |
| 0:57 | A world where borders can be redrawn by force. | 一个可以通过武力重新划定边界的世界。 |
| 1:00 | A world where powerful states can dismantle weaker ones without any consequences. | 一个强国可以拆除弱国而没有任何后果的世界。 |
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| 1 | The motion of tonight's debate is this House would rather go to war with Russia than lose Ukraine. | 今晚辩论的动议是本院宁愿与俄罗斯开战,也不愿失去乌克兰. |
| 2 | Beginning the case on side proposition is our very own Harry Aldridge, Librarian-elect. | 我们自己的哈里·奥尔德里奇 图书馆员当选人 |
| 3 | Good evening everyone and thank you Madame President for giving me the opportunity to speak this evening. | 大家晚上好,谢谢您 总统夫人给我今晚的演讲机会 |
| 4 | Tonight we don't meet to discuss a preference for conflict, but to acknowledge a catastrophe of inaction. | 今晚我们不开会讨论冲突倾向,而是承认无所作为的灾难. |
| 5 | We are not choosing simply between war and peace. | 我们不只是在战争与和平之间作出选择。 |
| 6 | We are choosing between a principled stance today or a humiliating surrender tomorrow. | 我们正在选择今天的原则立场或明天的屈辱投降。 |
| 7 | Because what we are being asked to decide tonight is not simply a matter of foreign policy, nor even a question of military strategy. | 因为今晚要求我们决定的不仅仅是外交政策问题,甚至军事战略问题。 |
| 8 | It is a question about the kind of world we are prepared to accept. | 这是一个关于我们准备接受什么样的世界的问题。 |
| 9 | A world where borders can be redrawn by force. | 一个可以通过武力重新划定边界的世界。 |
| 10 | A world where powerful states can dismantle weaker ones without any consequences. | 一个强国可以拆除弱国而没有任何后果的世界。 |
| 11 | And a world where aggression is encouraged as opposed to being restrained. | 一个鼓励侵略而不是克制的世界。 |
| 12 | And the contrast on the other hand is a world where those principles are resisted even when the cost of doing so is high. | 另一方面,相反的是,即使这样做的代价很高,这些原则仍然遭到抵制。 |
| 13 | And it is precisely because the stakes are so high that this debate matters. | 正是因为事关重大,本次辩论才重要。 |
| 14 | Now the opposition tonight will tell you that this motion is reckless. | 今晚反对派会告诉你 这个动议是鲁莽的 |
| 15 | They will say that war with Russia would be unthinkable. | 他们会说,与俄罗斯的战争是不可想象的。 |
| 16 | That it is too dangerous, too costly, too unpredictable. | 它太危险、太昂贵、太不可预测。 |
| 17 | The opposition offers you the illusion of safety. | 反对派给你一种安全幻想 |
| 18 | They weigh the very real cost of intervention. | 他们权衡了干预的真正成本。 |
| 19 | But they use a broken scale. | 但他们使用破损的尺度。 |
| 20 | One that conveniently ignores the extinction of sovereignty. | 一种轻而易举地无视主权的消失。 |
| 21 | The shattering of the European soul that would follow the fall of Kiev. | 基辅沦陷之后 欧洲灵魂的毁灭 |
| 22 | Because what the opposition fails to confront, what they actively avoid, is the cost of the alternative. | 因为反对派未能面对的,他们积极避免的,是选择的代价. |
| 23 | What happens if Ukraine is lost? | 如果乌克兰迷失了怎么办? |
| 24 | What happens if aggression succeeds? | 如果侵略成功怎么办? |
| 25 | What happens if the international community proves that it will not act when it matters the most? | 如果国际社会证明它不会在最重要的时候采取行动,怎么办? |
| 26 | Because losing Ukraine is not the safe option. | 因为失去乌克兰不是安全的选择。 |
| 27 | It is not the peaceful option. | 这不是和平的选择。 |
| 28 | It is simply the option where consequences arrive later and hit even harder. | 这仅仅是一种选择,即后果晚些才出现,打击更大。 |
| 29 | But before I continue my argument, it falls on me to introduce the speakers on side opposition for this evening. | 但是,在我继续辩论之前,我有责任介绍今晚的副议长。 |
| 30 | So speaking first, we will hear from Dan Lawson, who is a first year student reading history and politics at Christchurch. | 所以,首先,我们将听到 丹劳森, 他是一个第一年的学生 阅读历史和政治 在克里斯特彻奇。 |
| 31 | Now, Dan's brother ran for position in the Oxford Union two years ago. | 现在,丹的哥哥两年前竞选牛津邦联的职位. |
| 32 | Dan, eager to follow in his brother's footsteps, decided to run in the Oxford Union in Micklemore's term, and he lost. | 丹热切地追随哥哥的脚步,决定在米克尔莫尔任期中参加牛津邦联竞选,结果他输了. |
| 33 | So it's perhaps fitting that, as the first speaker for the opposition, he stands before us tonight to explain why losing is something we should be willing to accept. | 因此,作为第一位反对党发言人,他今晚站在我们面前解释为什么输了是我们应该愿意接受的东西,这也许是恰当的。 |
| 34 | Speaking second, we will hear from Scott Horton of the Libertarian Institute. | 第二,我们会听到自由研究所的斯科特·霍顿。 |
| 35 | An organisation committed to the principle that government action is almost always the wrong answer. | 一个致力于政府行动几乎总是错误答案的原则的组织。 |
| 36 | Libertarians believe the government should never do anything. | 自由主义者认为政府不应该做任何事情. |
| 37 | So tonight he will not tell us not to go to war, not because of Russia, not because of Ukraine, but because, quite simply, he was never going to say yes. | 所以今晚他不会告诉我们不要去打仗,不是因为俄罗斯,不是因为乌克兰,而是因为,很简单,他永远不会答应. |
| 38 | Speaking third, we will hear from Jan Konigurski, a former prime minister of Slovakia and now chair of the Slovak-Russian Association. | 第三,我们将听取斯洛伐克前总理、斯洛伐克-俄罗斯协会主席扬·科尼古尔斯基的发言。 |
| 39 | He brings with him decades of experience in politics and international relations. | 他带来了几十年的政治和国际关系经验。 |
| 40 | And in more recent years, a rather consistent enthusiasm for maintaining friendly relations with Russia, which makes him an inspired choice for side opposition this evening. | 更近些年,对于与俄罗斯保持友好关系的相当一贯的热情,使得他成为了今晚边敌的灵感选择. |
| 41 | When asked to argue against confronting Russia, they have turned to someone whose defining qualification is getting along with it. | 当他们被要求反对对抗俄罗斯时,他们转而求助于某个具有明确资格的人。 |
| 42 | Now, I would call that a conflict of interest, but apparently conflict is the only thing he's against. | 现在,我要称之为利益冲突, 但显然冲突是他唯一反对的东西。 |
| 43 | Speaking last, we will hear from Peter Hitchens, a veteran journalist and commentator who has spent decades writing on politics and the state of modern Britain. | 最后,我们将听取一位资深记者和评论家彼得·希钦斯的发言,他在政治和现代英国的状况方面写了几十年。 |
| 44 | Over the years, he's developed some sort of reputation for his deeply held and consistently pessimistic view of the world around him. | 多年来,他因对周围世界的深厚和一贯的悲观观点而发展出某种声誉. |
| 45 | In fact, he has made an entire career out of being miserable about the state of the world. | 事实上,他为世界状况的悲惨生活做出了整个事业. |
| 46 | So at least tonight, for once, he has a point. | 所以至少今晚,他有一点 |
| 47 | Madam President, these are your guest speakers and they are most welcome. | 主席女士,这些是您的特邀发言者,非常欢迎。 |
| 48 | Now, before anything else, we must be absolutely clear about one thing. | 现在,首先我们必须绝对清楚一件事。 |
| 49 | We must stand for the principle that aggression must not be allowed to succeed. | 我们必须坚持不容侵略成功的原则。 |
| 50 | If Russia is permitted to take Ukraine, what message does that send to the rest of the world? | 如果允许俄罗斯占领乌克兰,这向世界其他国家发出了什么信息? |
| 51 | It tells every authoritarian leader watching that military action pays off, that if you are willing to escalate far enough, the rest of the world will eventually step back. | 它告诉每一个观察军事行动的专制领导人,如果你愿意升级到足够远的地方,世界其他地方最终会退步. |
| 52 | And history is very clear about what happens when aggression goes unchecked. | 历史非常清楚当侵略不受控制时会发生什么。 |
| 53 | It doesn't stop. | 终不息. |
| 54 | It grows because every successful act of aggression lowers the cost of the next one. | 增长的原因是每次成功的侵略行为都降低了下一次侵略的代价。 |
| 55 | Today, Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova, then perhaps the Baltic states, countries that are already far more directly tied to Western alliances. | 今天,乌克兰,明天摩尔多瓦,然后是波罗的海国家,这些国家已经更直接地与西方联盟联系在一起。 |
| 56 | And at that point, the cost of intervention becomes even greater because now Russia acts from a position of demonstrated impunity, emboldened by years of Western retreat. | 此时,干预的代价更加高昂,因为现在俄罗斯从一个明显不受惩罚的立场采取行动,西方多年的退缩使俄罗斯胆大妄为。 |
| 57 | The risk becomes even higher. | 风险会更大。 |
| 58 | The likelihood of a much larger war becomes far more real. | 一场大得多的战争的可能性变得更加真实。 |
| 59 | So when we say we would rather go to war than lose Ukraine, what we are really saying is we would rather confront aggression now than embolden it for generations to come. | 因此,当我们说我们宁愿去打仗,而不是失去乌克兰时,我们真正要说的是,我们宁愿现在面对侵略,而不是在后代中加强侵略。 |
| 60 | Because Ukraine is not just symbolically important, it is strategically critical. | 由于乌克兰不仅具有象征意义,而且具有战略重要性。 |
| 61 | This isn't a distant conflict that can be safely ignored. | 这不是一个可以安全忽略的遥远的冲突. |
| 62 | Maybe in a minute we'll get to a point of information. | 也许一分钟后我们会得到一个点的信息。 |
| 63 | The point of information, yes or no? | 信息点,是还是不是? |
| 64 | I'll take it in a minute. | 师便打. |
| 65 | We'll make some progress first. | 我们先取得一些进展. |
| 66 | It's not a peripheral issue that can be neatly contained. | 这不是一个外围问题,可以完全控制。 |
| 67 | Ukraine fundamentally sits at the centre of European security. | 乌克兰基本上是欧洲安全的核心。 |
| 68 | A Russian victory, it doesn't satisfy its hunger. | 俄国人的胜利,不能满足饥饿 |
| 69 | It validates an appetite. | 它证实了食欲。 |
| 70 | If Ukraine falls, the Kremlin doesn't gain a province. | 如果乌克兰沦陷,克里姆林宫就得不到一个省份. |
| 71 | It gains a pulpit from which to dictate the terms of existence to every single other democracy in Europe. | 它赢得了一个决定欧洲其他每一个民主国家生存条件的论坛。 |
| 72 | It gains proof that the West lacks a resolve to defend the order it claims to uphold. | 它得到的证据是,西方缺乏捍卫它声称维护的秩序的决心。 |
| 73 | If Russia emerges from this conflict, having successfully dismantled Ukraine, it becomes stronger in every sense that matters. | 如果俄罗斯从这场冲突中脱身,成功地摧毁了乌克兰,那么,在各种意义上都变得重要。 |
| 74 | And at the same time, its neighbours become weaker. | 同时,它的邻国也变得较弱. |
| 75 | Countries like Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, already within the sphere of potential pressure, are left far more vulnerable. | 爱沙尼亚、拉脱维亚、立陶宛等已经处于潜在压力范围内的国家,其脆弱性要大得多。 |
| 76 | And suddenly the question is no longer whether we should defend Ukraine. | 突然间,问题不再是我们是否应该保卫乌克兰。 |
| 77 | The question becomes whether we are willing to defend a very NATO state. | 问题是我们是否愿意保卫一个北约国家。 |
| 78 | At that point, the stakes become even higher. | 这时,利害关系变得更加严重。 |
| 79 | The risks become even greater. | 风险更大。 |
| 80 | So the choice before us tonight, it's not one between war and peace. | 所以今晚摆在我们面前的选择 不是战争与和平之间的选择 |
| 81 | It is between confronting the threat while it is still containable or facing a far more dangerous one later on. | 既要对付威胁,同时又要控制威胁,又要面对一个更危险的威胁。 |
| 82 | And what does this motion say about the principles of the international order? | 这个动议对国际秩序的原则有什么看法? |
| 83 | Ukraine is a sovereign state. | 乌克兰是一个主权国家。 |
| 84 | It was invaded without justification, without reason. | 它被无端入侵,毫无理由。 |
| 85 | To lose Ukraine would be to sign the death warrant of the UN Charter. | 失去乌克兰就是签署《联合国宪章》的死刑令。 |
| 86 | If the rules don't apply when the tanks cross the border, then the rules simply do not exist. | 如果在坦克越界时规则不适用,那么规则就根本不存在. |
| 87 | Rules that say borders matter, rules that say sovereignty matters. | 说边界重要的规则 说主权重要的规则 |
| 88 | In a minute, states cannot simply erase one another. | 在一分钟内,各国不能简单地相互抹杀。 |
| 89 | Without those rules, what remains? | 没有这些规则,还有什么? |
| 90 | A world governed purely by power is not a stable world. | 一个纯粹由权力统治的世界不是一个稳定的世界。 |
| 91 | It's not predictable and it is not peaceful. | 它不是可预测的,也不是和平的。 |
| 92 | Because when rules disappear, every state must rely on its own force for its very survival. | 因为当规则消失时,每个国家都必须依靠自己的力量来生存。 |
| 93 | And that is the kind of world where conflict becomes inevitable. | 这就是冲突不可避免的世界。 |
| 94 | So this motion is not about choosing war lightly. | 因此,这个动议不是关于轻率选择战争. |
| 95 | It is about recognising that sometimes the refusal to act is what destroys peace in the first place. | 问题在于认识到,有时拒绝采取行动首先会破坏和平。 |
| 96 | If the West signals that it will not defend Ukraine at any cost, then what do its promises mean? | 如果西方表示它不会不惜任何代价保卫乌克兰,那么它的承诺意味着什么? |
| 97 | What do alliances mean? | 联盟是什么意思? |
| 98 | What do security guarantees mean? | 安全保证是什么意思? |
| 99 | Deterrence is not a suggestion. | 威慑不是一个建议。 |
| 100 | It's a promise. | 乃许之. |
| 101 | The moment we signal that our resolve has a ceiling, the moment that we blink if the stakes get too high, | 一旦我们表明我们的决心有一个天花板, 如果赌注太高,我们就眨眼, |
| 102 | we have not avoided war. | 我们没有避免战争。 |
| 103 | We have invited it. | 我们邀请了它。 |
| 104 | We have caused it. | 是我们造成的 |
| 105 | And once deterrence collapses, conflict becomes far more likely. | 一旦威慑崩溃,冲突就更有可能发生。 |
| 106 | Because the only thing preventing aggression is the fear of resistance. | 因为唯一能防止侵略的就是对抵抗的恐惧. |
| 107 | Remove that fear and you invite the very wars you seek to avoid. | 消除恐惧,你就会招来你想要避免的战争 |
| 108 | Not again. | 又来了 |
| 109 | Go on. | 继续 |
| 110 | I'll have to take it this time. | 这次我不得不接受 |
| 111 | Yes, indeed. | 是的,确实。 |
| 112 | Do they teach geography and history at this university? | 他们在这所大学教地理和历史吗? |
| 113 | I believe they do. | 我相信他们这样做。 |
| 114 | Not something I study. | 不是我研究的东西 |
| 115 | You spoke of a Western retreat. | 你说了西方的撤退 |
| 116 | Now, I used to live and work in the Soviet Union and the Soviet Empire in the 1980s and 1990s. | 现在,我曾在1980年代和1990年代在苏联和苏联帝国生活和工作. |
| 117 | When I did so, the Soviet Empire came to an end in a place called Marienborn in Germany, | 当我这样做,苏维埃帝国结束了 在德国一个叫玛丽安伯恩的地方, |
| 118 | which is now in the German Federal Republic. | 现在在德意志联邦共和国 |
| 119 | And it spread all the way from the Russian border to that point. | 它从俄罗斯边境一直蔓延到那个地方。 |
| 120 | Since 1989, the West has advanced over hundreds of miles and become the dominant force | 自1989年以来,西方前进了几百英里,成为了主导力量 |
| 121 | in hundreds of hundreds of thousands of square miles of territory, | 在数十万平方英里的土地上, |
| 122 | which were previously held by the Soviet Union through the Warsaw Pact. | 苏联以前通过华沙条约持有的 |
| 123 | How is this a retreat? | 或妓 |
| 124 | Russia invaded Ukraine with no justification. | 俄罗斯无端入侵乌克兰. |
| 125 | We'll hear your speech in a minute. | 我们一会儿就听到你的演讲 |
| 126 | We're very much looking forward to it. | 我们非常期待它。 |
| 127 | Now, Russia invaded Ukraine without justification. | 现在,俄罗斯无端入侵乌克兰。 |
| 128 | If we show no resistance, if we don't combat that aggression, why would it stop at Ukraine? | 如果我们不表现出抵抗,如果我们不打击这种侵略,为什么它会停在乌克兰? |
| 129 | Why would it look towards the Baltic States? | 为什么它要面向波罗的海国家? |
| 130 | Why wouldn't it look towards NATO? | 为什么它不看北约? |
| 131 | This is about stopping aggression whilst we can still contain it. | 这是关于阻止侵略,而我们仍然可以遏制它。 |
| 132 | And actually, that brings us to the very heart of this motion. | 实际上,这让我们想到这个运动的核心。 |
| 133 | Because the opposition will try to frame this as a debate between war and peace. | 因为反对派会试图将此事设定为战争与和平之间的辩论. |
| 134 | But that is not the choice we're making tonight. | 但这不是我们今晚的选择 |
| 135 | The immediate, visible risk of confronting aggression now, | 面对侵略的眼前明显危险 |
| 136 | or the delayed, far greater risk of allowing it to succeed. | 或延迟,更可能让它成功。 |
| 137 | One is difficult. | 一个是困难的。 |
| 138 | The other is dangerous. | 另一个很危险 |
| 139 | And pretending that avoiding confrontation guarantees us peace is not realism. | 假装避免对抗保证了我们和平不是现实主义。 |
| 140 | It's wishful thinking. | 发愿心. |
| 141 | We're not advocating for war because we desire it. | 我们主张战争并不是因为我们渴望战争. |
| 142 | We're not glorifying conflict. | 我们不是在颂扬冲突 |
| 143 | We're not trying to bind, you know, we're not blind to its consequences. | 我们没有试图束缚,你知道, 我们没有盲目的后果。 |
| 144 | So when the opposition tells you that this motion is extreme, ask yourselves this. | 所以当反对派告诉你这个动议是极端的时,请自问这个. |
| 145 | What is more extreme, to take a stand now, to defend a sovereign nation, | 更极端的是 现在采取立场 捍卫一个主权国家 |
| 146 | to uphold the principles that underpin the international order, | 维护国际秩序的基本原则, |
| 147 | or to allow those principles to collapse, to signal that aggression works, | 或允许这些原则崩溃,以表明侵略是有效的, |
| 148 | and to accept a future where conflict becomes more likely, not less? | 接受一个冲突更加可能而不是更少的未来? |
| 149 | Because losing Ukraine is not simply losing a country. | 因为失去乌克兰不仅仅是失去一个国家。 |
| 150 | It is losing deterrence. | 它正在失去威慑力。 |
| 151 | It is losing credibility. | 它正在失去信誉。 |
| 152 | It is losing the fragile system that has, for all its flaws, | 它正在失去脆弱的系统,尽管它的缺陷, |
| 153 | helped prevent large-scale conflict between major powers for decades. | 几十年来帮助防止了大国之间的大规模冲突。 |
| 154 | And once those things are gone, they are far harder to rebuild than they are to defend. | 一旦这些东西消失,它们就比防御起来更难重建. |
| 155 | So yes, this motion is difficult. | 所以,是的,这个动议很难。 |
| 156 | Yes, this motion is uncomfortable. | 是的,这个动议很不舒服 |
| 157 | But some decisions are defined precisely by their difficulty. | 但是,有些决定是根据其困难来界定的。 |
| 158 | Because what we are defending tonight is not simply Ukraine. | 因为我们今晚捍卫的不仅仅是乌克兰。 |
| 159 | We're defending the idea that force should not be allowed to decide the fate of nations. | 我们在捍卫不应允许武力决定国家命运的想法. |
| 160 | We're defending the belief that aggression must be restrained. | 我们在捍卫必须遏制侵略的信念. |
| 161 | I think far too many. | 我觉得太多了 |
| 162 | We're defending the possibility of a world where rules matter more than power. | 我们正在捍卫一个规则比权力更重要的世界的可能性。 |
| 163 | Goodness me. | 天呐 |
| 164 | And if we are not willing to defend those things when they are tested, | 如果我们不愿意在测试这些东西时捍卫这些东西, |
| 165 | then we cannot be surprised when they disappear. | 那么当他们消失时,我们不会感到惊讶。 |
| 166 | Do not vote for this motion because you desire the drumbeats of war. | 不要投票支持这个动议 因为你想要战争的鼓手。 |
| 167 | That's not what we're advocating for. | 这不是我们所主张的。 |
| 168 | Vote for it because you refuse to live in a world where might is the only right, | 投票支持它,因为你拒绝 生活在一个世界上 可能是唯一的权利, |
| 169 | where one country can take a weaker state simply by force. | 一个国家只能以武力夺取一个较弱的国家。 |
| 170 | For the sake of the international order, for the sake of deterrence, | 为了国际秩序,为了威慑, |
| 171 | and for the sake of preventing even greater wars in the future, | 并且为了防止将来发生更多的战争, |
| 172 | I urge you to support this motion. | 我敦促你支持这项动议。 |
| 173 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 174 | Thank you for your speech, Harry, and thank you for your points of information. | 谢谢你的演讲,哈利, 并感谢你的要点信息。 |
| 175 | Firstly, I'd now like to invite to the floor the first speaker on side, | 首先,我现在请第一位发言者发言。 |
| 176 | opposition, Dan Lawson, senior appointed. | 反对派,丹·劳森,高级任命。 |
| 177 | Firstly, I would like to echo some of Harry's remarks about the importance of this topic | 首先,我要重复哈利关于这个议题重要性的一些看法。 |
| 178 | and about how uncomfortable it may be for some. | 以及对于某些人来说可能很不舒服 |
| 179 | Indeed, it is not a simple one. | 实际上,这不是一个简单的问题。 |
| 180 | I will go on to make many arguments, | 我会继续提出许多论点, |
| 181 | and most of which I believe are more convincing than that made by the proposition. | 并且我认为大部分都比这个提议更有说服力。 |
| 182 | But first, I will introduce the fabulous speakers. | 但首先,我将介绍精彩的发言者。 |
| 183 | To begin, we have Mr. Harry Aldridge. | 首先,我们有哈里·奥尔德里奇先生。 |
| 184 | He is a PPE student at New College. | 他是新学院的PPE学生. |
| 185 | He is known for many things, known by many names indeed. | 他以许多事物闻名,确实有许多名字。 |
| 186 | A secretary, an officer-elect, he is Harry to some, he's Slime-dridge to others. | 一个秘书,一个当选的军官, 他是哈里对一些人, 他是斯利姆 -德里奇对其他人。 |
| 187 | I only hope that this evening his capacity for argumentation is as high as his voice. | 我只希望他今晚的辩辩能力与他的声音一样高。 |
| 188 | Then we have Alessia Kremetschek, | 然后我们有了阿莱西亚·克雷米特谢克 |
| 189 | who quite frankly is too impressive and lovely to significantly bash. | 坦率地说,他们太令人印象深刻和可爱,不能大打出手。 |
| 190 | All I can say is that through many years of hardship, | 我只能说 经过多年的艰辛, |
| 191 | through years of direct contact and expertise with this topic, | * 与这一专题进行多年的直接接触和专门知识, |
| 192 | she has seen what destruction means. | 她看到了毁灭的意义 |
| 193 | She has seen some fairly horrific things, | 她已经看到了一些相当可怕的事情, |
| 194 | all of which I hope prepare her very well for the Union Chamber this evening. | 我希望她今晚能做好 参加工会的准备 |
| 195 | Then we have Mr. Daniel Fried, someone who, for me, needs no introduction. | 丹尼尔·弗里德先生 对我来说不需要介绍 |
| 196 | He is an extremely impressive diplomat. | 他是个令人印象深刻的外交官。 |
| 197 | He has served under as many as four US presidents, | 他曾经担任过多达四名美国总统, |
| 198 | including on the National Security Council under Bush from 2001 to 2005, | 包括2001年至2005年布什领导的国家安全委员会, |
| 199 | a period that I'm sure threw up no issues in American foreign policy. | 我确信美国外交政策里没有问题 |
| 200 | A lesser known fact about Daniel is that his father was a musical composer | 关于丹尼尔的一个不太为人所知的事实是 他父亲是个音乐家 |
| 201 | who composed themes for television shows such as Mission Impossible. | 他为电视节目编织了主题 比如"使命不可能" |
| 202 | Daniel was met with his own impossible mission when he had to get EU e-leaders to agree. | 丹尼尔在不得不让欧盟电子领导人同意时,遇到了他自己无法完成的任务. |
| 203 | And finally, we have Francis Daunsey, someone who is equally impressive | 最后,我们有弗朗西斯・达恩西 一个同样令人印象深刻的人 |
| 204 | and an incredible journalist who speaks very often on these matters of Ukraine. | 也是一位了不起的记者,经常谈论乌克兰的这些问题。 |
| 205 | And he was, is an alum of the other place, indeed of that terrifying Cambridge University. | 他是另一个地方的校友 确实是剑桥大学的校友 |
| 206 | And he is an excellent example of the kind of revolutionary and independent thinking | 他是那种革命和独立思想的极好例子 |
| 207 | that makes a journalist in his early 30s join a podcast. | 30多岁时的记者加入了播客 |
| 208 | So now we return to the key issue at hand. | 因此,我们现在回到眼前的关键问题。 |
| 209 | Now, I will admit there was little apprehension when I was told to speak on this debate. | 现在,我要承认,当我被告知就这次辩论发言时,没有什么担心。 |
| 210 | Of course, as Harry has said, it is not a comfortable topic. | 当然,正如哈利所说,这不是一个舒适的主题。 |
| 211 | We have been met in the UK with over a decade of startling news coverage | 在英国,我们相遇了十多年 令人吃惊的新闻报道 |
| 212 | of the terror in Ukraine, of the drama, of the tragedy. | 乌克兰的恐怖、戏剧和悲剧。 |
| 213 | We have been told a compelling narrative of a European country | 我们被告知一个欧洲国家的 令人信服的叙述 |
| 214 | trying to secure liberty and security whilst met with a vicious neighbour | 试图确保自由和安全,同时遇到一个恶毒的邻居 |
| 215 | who wants nothing but chaos and perhaps the complete overthrow of the European order. | 他只想要混乱 也许完全推翻欧洲秩序 |
| 216 | Now, this narrative will be pushed by the proposition. | 现在,这个叙事会被这个提议所推动. |
| 217 | And whether you agree with it or not, I argue that it is not strictly relevant to the debate at hand. | 无论你是否同意,我都认为这与目前的辩论没有严格关系。 |
| 218 | Now, we can stand here, and I would agree, I hope the best for Ukraine. | 现在,我们可以站在这里,我同意,我希望对乌克兰来说是最好的。 |
| 219 | We can support the reinforcement of Ukraine indeed. | 我们可以支持加强乌克兰。 |
| 220 | But this is not the question at hand. | 但这不是眼前的问题。 |
| 221 | The question is not one of supporting Ukraine or not, of continuing as we are. | 问题不在于是否支持乌克兰,即是否继续象我们这样。 |
| 222 | It is a question of if really, in the event of a serious Ukrainian failure, | 这是一个问题,如果真的, 如果乌克兰严重失败, |
| 223 | does that call upon Europe to enter a full-scale boots-on-the-ground war with Russia? | 这是否要求欧洲与俄罗斯展开全面的地面战争? |
| 224 | Now, firstly, as will be a little tedious to the numerous students | 现在,首先,对于很多学生来说, 这会有点乏味 |
| 225 | who I'm sure are currently daydreaming about their tutorial essays, | 我敢肯定,他现在 白日梦他们的辅导论文, |
| 226 | but we must define some terms, that great thing that all your tutors tell you to do. | 但是我们必须定义一些术语, 伟大的事情,你所有的导师告诉你做。 |
| 227 | So, the proposition will introduce what I believe to be a slightly spun framework | 因此,这个提议将引入我认为是微调框架 |
| 228 | based on this apocalyptic fear-mongering of the complete secession of Ukraine, | 基于对乌克兰彻底分裂的这种末日恐惧, |
| 229 | of an absorption of Ukraine into Russian territory. | - 将乌克兰并入俄罗斯领土。 |
| 230 | However, we must ask ourselves, is this the only consideration? | 然而,我们必须自问,这是唯一的考虑吗? |
| 231 | Given the commitment into Ukraine so far, and indeed the preferences of the West, | 鉴于迄今为止对乌克兰的承诺以及西方的偏好, |
| 232 | would the ceding of Eastern territories and the fall of Kiev to a Russian puppet leader | 将东部领土割让给俄国傀儡领袖 |
| 233 | not also be seen as losing Ukraine? | 也不被视为失去乌克兰? |
| 234 | When the situation at hand is taken from one which is sincerely apocalyptic to this, | 当眼前的局势从一个真诚的末日走向此地时, |
| 235 | it is a genuinely negotiable settlement. | 这是一个真正可以谈判的解决方案。 |
| 236 | We can see that Russia is struggling at the moment. | 我们可以看到,俄罗斯目前正在挣扎。 |
| 237 | When we consider this option, whilst it is painful, it may be survivable. | 当我们考虑这个选择时,虽然它很痛苦,但它也许能够存活。 |
| 238 | Now, war with Russia is a far more serious consideration than what we see at the moment. | 现在,与俄罗斯的战争比我们目前看到的要认真得多。 |
| 239 | Now, as much as you can say Ukrainian support should continue, | 现在,尽管你可以说乌克兰的支持应该继续下去, |
| 240 | of course, the proposition instead proposes that the West, that NATO, that the United States, | 当然,这个提议建议西方、北约、美国 |
| 241 | put their boots on the ground to attack Russia directly. | 把他们的靴子放在地面上直接攻击俄国. |
| 242 | The severity of this cannot be understated. | 这一点的严重性不能低估。 |
| 243 | Now, thankfully, unlike some former speakers in debates last term, | 谢天谢地,与上届辩论中的一些前发言人不同, |
| 244 | I come both with rhetoric and statistics, which I know seems quite implausible. | 我带着言辞和统计数字来,我知道这似乎不可信。 |
| 245 | Now, since 2022, there have been two million casualties between Ukraine and Russia. | 现在,自2022年起,乌克兰和俄罗斯之间已有200万人伤亡. |
| 246 | And this is a tragedy, of course, but one which is contained regionally. | 当然,这是一场悲剧, 但这场悲剧被区域控制。 |
| 247 | When we compare this with the alternative, with a full-scale Russian-European war, | 当我们把它和另一种选择 和一场全面的俄欧战争相比较 |
| 248 | what we're looking at is not a Ukrainian population of 44 million, | 我们所看到的不是4400万乌克兰人口, |
| 249 | but a NATO population, excluding America, of 600 million. | 但是北约的人口,不包括美国,有6亿。 |
| 250 | Now, of course, it would be preposterous to suggest that all of these lives are at risk in the event of this war, | 现在,当然,这是荒谬的 暗示所有这些生命 在这场战争中处于危险之中, |
| 251 | except for one crucial factor that does introduce such a risk, the dreaded nuclear option. | 除了一个确实带来这种风险的关键因素,可怕的核选择。 |
| 252 | Now, whilst I would expect a collective ooh from the crowd at that point, | 现在,虽然我期望一个集体 呜从人群当时, |
| 253 | I trust you don't understate the importance of this. | 我相信你不会低估这一点的重要性。 |
| 254 | Russia has the largest nuclear arsenal in the world, around 6,000 warheads. | 俄罗斯拥有世界上最大的核武库,约6000枚弹头. |
| 255 | And whilst this may not be a consideration in regional conflict, | 虽然这在区域冲突中可能不是考虑因素, |
| 256 | once we get to the level of major power competition, it is most certainly a consideration. | 一旦我们到了重大权力竞争的水平,这无疑是一个考虑因素。 |
| 257 | In fact, a study by the RAND Corporation in 2023 suggested that in the event of European war, | 事实上,兰德公司2023年的一项研究表明,如果发生欧洲战争, |
| 258 | the chance of the nuclear option being deployed was around 10% to 20% in the first 90 days. | 在头90天里,核选择部署的机会约为10%至20%。 |
| 259 | Now, this is a serious, serious concern, and I may hear some of you go, | 现在,这是一个严重的,严重的关注, 我可能会听到你们中的一些人去, |
| 260 | ah, but what about MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction? | 啊,但是MAD,相互保证的毁灭呢? |
| 261 | But we have also seen time and time again that the deployment of nuclear weaponry is perhaps more fragile than we wish. | 但我们也一再看到,部署核武器也许比我们希望的更加脆弱。 |
| 262 | It only takes one slip-up, one miscommunication, one missed alarm, for utter destruction to occur. | 完全毁灭只需要一次失误,一次错误的交流,一次错失的警报. |
| 263 | Whether it's a baby behind the button, a master diplomat, or in the case of the US, somewhere in between, | 不管是扣子后面的婴儿 外交大师 还是美国 中间的某个地方 |
| 264 | this could lead to serious, serious problems. | 这可能导致严重和严重的问题。 |
| 265 | So is it worth it? | 值得吗? |
| 266 | That's the question. | 问曰. |
| 267 | Well, to reiterate, what we consider here could be the complete absorption of Ukraine into Russia, | 嗯,我重申,我们在这里认为 可能是完全吸收 乌克兰进入俄罗斯, |
| 268 | but it could also be the situation whereby Eastern territories are ceded and Kiev falls to a Russian-aligned leader. | 但也可能是东部领土被割让,基辅落入俄罗斯结盟领导人手中的情况。 |
| 269 | Neither of these would be preferable for the West, of course. | 当然,对西方来说,这两个方面都不可取。 |
| 270 | But we have a clear line, and it must be remembered that Ukraine is not in NATO. | 但我们有一条明确的路线,必须记住,乌克兰不在北约。 |
| 271 | I'm sure this will come up time and time again, but it is incredibly important. | 我敢肯定,这将会 一次又一次地出现, 但这是令人难以置信的重要性。 |
| 272 | And whilst we can support the safety and security of Ukraine, | 虽然我们可以支持乌克兰的安全, |
| 273 | it is foolish of the West to think that we have an obligation to support those countries that we are not in such formal alliance with. | 西方认为我们有义务支持那些我们没有与之结成如此正式联盟的国家是愚蠢的。 |
| 274 | The proposition already has spoken about the risk of disintegrating alliances, of seeing them fall apart, | 提议已经谈到 联盟解体的风险, 看到它们解体, |
| 275 | but there is no formal alliance here. | 但这里没有正式的联盟 |
| 276 | Indeed, international support is not a guarantee. | 事实上,国际支持并不是一种保证。 |
| 277 | It is dependent on the situation of the country offering support, | 它取决于提供支持的国家的情况, |
| 278 | and it may be, in fact, that we simply don't have the conditions for it or that we don't think it preferable. | 事实上,我们没有条件 也不觉得更合适 |
| 279 | The proposition may also raise the counterargument of precedent. | 这一主张还可能引起对先例的反驳。 |
| 280 | Indeed, it has already been raised that this sets a dangerous new precedent about overthrowing countries through might. | 事实上,已经有人提出,这为通过强权推翻国家树立了一个危险的新先例。 |
| 281 | Well, is this, in fact, new? | 这是新的吗? |
| 282 | As I've already said, only recent Western inventions see the involvement of the West, the crusading spirit, throughout countries. | 正如我已经说过的,只有近代西方的发明,才看到西方的介入,即困扰各国的精神. |
| 283 | In fact, we have our boundary. | 事实上,我们有我们的边界。 |
| 284 | Ukraine and its neighbors have their own military capacity. | 乌克兰及其邻国有自己的军事能力。 |
| 285 | Should we support it? | 我们应该支持它吗? |
| 286 | Yes. | 对 |
| 287 | But should we include ours and risk far greater escalation? | 但是,我们是否应该包括我们的国家,并有可能进一步升级? |
| 288 | Of course not. | 当然不是。 |
| 289 | Now, the proposition may also say, ah, this is the point. | 现在,提议也可能说, 啊,这就是重点。 |
| 290 | Well, it triggers Article 5. | 它触发了第五条。 |
| 291 | You know, if Russia is to push in more, if Russia is to get involved in NATO states after Ukraine, well, that would trigger Article 5. | 要知道,如果俄罗斯要推进更多,如果俄罗斯要在乌克兰之后参与北约国家,那就会引发第五条. |
| 292 | That would cause a great European war. | 这将引起一场伟大的欧洲战争。 |
| 293 | But the very thing that they're arguing against, they're simply preemptively promoting in no better condition. | 但他们反对的正是 他们只是先发制人地宣传 没有任何更好的条件 |
| 294 | What's more, NATO is not as strong as we'd like to think. | 更有甚者,北约不如我们想象的那么强大. |
| 295 | The combination of US threats of withdrawal and indeed an American public that specifically lacks support for Ukraine means that victory in this great European war is not certain at all. | 美方威胁撤军, 以及美国民众对乌克兰缺乏支持, |
| 296 | Let us look at the outcomes, the potential outcomes. | 让我们看看结果,看看可能的结果。 |
| 297 | So on one hand, we could win. | 所以一方面,我们可以赢。 |
| 298 | This would mean no necessary change in Russia. | 这将意味着俄罗斯没有必要的改变。 |
| 299 | Putin may still be in power. | 普京可能仍在掌权. |
| 300 | Sure, we've stuck it to the Russians, but no change is certain. | 当然,我们已经把它卡在俄罗斯人身上, 但没有变化是肯定的。 |
| 301 | And our army is significantly weakened. | 我们的军队被大大削弱 |
| 302 | It may indeed reveal gaps in the commitment of NATO countries. | 这确实可能揭示北约国家在承诺方面的差距。 |
| 303 | Is this really what we want to do? | 这就是我们想做的吗? |
| 304 | With serious threats around the globe, with China looking for any opening to capitalize upon, would we like to enter into the weakening of the European army? | 面对全球的严重威胁,随着中国寻求利用任何机会,我们是否愿意加入欧洲军队的削弱? |
| 305 | And if we lose, well, the army is damaged all the same and Ukraine falls all the same, but perhaps worse as we don't have the leverage we currently do to negotiate. | 如果我们输了,那么,军队同样受损,乌克兰也一样倒下,但也许更糟的是,我们目前没有谈判的筹码。 |
| 306 | How then can we seriously suggest war? | 那么我们怎么能够认真建议战争呢? |
| 307 | Now, a point may also be raised that comes up time and time again in this conversation is, ah, what about appeasement? | 现在,也可能有人提出一个问题,在这个谈话中反复出现,就是,啊,安抚呢? |
| 308 | What about Chamberlain? | 张伯伦呢? |
| 309 | This is not appeasement. | 这不是安抚。 |
| 310 | This is not Munich. | 这不是慕尼黑 |
| 311 | Hitler did not have nuclear weapons. | 希特勒没有核武器。 |
| 312 | And this is not a naive trust in Russia. | 这不是对俄罗斯的天真信任。 |
| 313 | It is a balance of priorities. | 这是优先事项的平衡。 |
| 314 | Chamberlain made some crucial errors. | 张伯伦犯了一些重大错误。 |
| 315 | And whilst I may be envious of his height, I'm certainly not envious of his policy. | 虽然我可能嫉妒他的身高 但我肯定不羡慕他的政策 |
| 316 | So to conclude, it's important to reiterate here that we are not choosing between war and neglect. | 最后,必须在此重申,我们不是在战争和忽视之间作出选择。 |
| 317 | We are equally not choosing between a good and a bad option. | 我们同样不能选择好与坏的选择。 |
| 318 | These are both terrible outcomes. | 这些都是可怕的结果。 |
| 319 | But one is terrible and a survivable political shift. | 但是,一个是可怕的,是一个可存活的政治转变。 |
| 320 | And the other is entering in willingly to the potential for utter destruction. | 而另一个是自愿进入 潜在的彻底毁灭。 |
| 321 | It may be that you have to walk through that door with your eyes closed and your breath held. | 也许你得闭上眼睛 屏住呼吸 穿过那扇门 |
| 322 | But I hope it seems obvious which side of the door to walk through. | 但我希望那扇门的哪边可以走过去 |
| 323 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 324 | Thank you very much, Daniel, for that speech. | 非常感谢你的演讲,丹尼尔 |
| 325 | I now welcome to the stage the second speaker on side proposition, Dr. | 现在,我欢迎第二位副演讲者,博士。 |
| 326 | Good evening. | 边 |
| 327 | And thank you so much for inviting me to speak tonight. | 谢谢你邀请我今晚发言 |
| 328 | This is a European war that happened to start in eastern Ukraine. | 这是一场发生在乌克兰东部的欧洲战争。 |
| 329 | Those were the words my brother said to me in 2017. | 这些是我哥哥2017年对我说的话。 |
| 330 | A few weeks later, he was killed in action in Luhansk region. | 几周后,他在卢甘斯克地区的行动中被杀. |
| 331 | He was right, of course. | 他说得对,当然。 |
| 332 | Just five years later, the war engulfed the entirety of Ukraine and had a direct impact on the rest of Europe and much of the rest of the world. | 仅仅五年之后,战争席卷了整个乌克兰,对欧洲其他地区和世界大部分地区产生了直接影响。 |
| 333 | My brother and others like him could see from the trenches something that I couldn't from the comfort of my London home. | 我哥哥和他这样的人 从战壕里可以看到一些 我无法从我的伦敦家那里看到的东西 |
| 334 | It's human nature to hold on to an illusion of peace for as long as possible. | 尽可能长久地坚持和平的幻想是人性. |
| 335 | And in this, I sympathize with the opposition. | 在此,我同情反对派。 |
| 336 | But if our inaction before 2022 could be explained by ignorance, by naivety and in some cases by self-interest, | 但如果我们2022年之前的无所作为 可以用无知、天真 和有时用私利来解释 |
| 337 | pretending that we live in a peaceful world after 2022 can only be described as deliberate self-delusion. | 假装我们在2022年后生活在一个和平的世界,只能被描述为有意的自我幻想. |
| 338 | This war is most likely to escalate further and engulf the rest of Europe unless we stop presenting our lack of courage as pacifism and our short-sightedness as pragmatism. | 这场战争最有可能进一步升级并席卷欧洲其他地区,除非我们停止将我们的缺乏勇气说成是和平主义,将我们的短视说成是务实主义。 |
| 339 | The motion before us tonight offers a false dichotomy. | 今晚摆在我们面前的动议 提供了虚假的二分法。 |
| 340 | It implies that there is a choice. | 这意味着有选择。 |
| 341 | Enter a war with Russia and help Ukraine maintain its sovereignty or let Ukraine fall. | 与俄罗斯开战,帮助乌克兰保持主权或让乌克兰沦陷. |
| 342 | But keep our own homes, at least in the West, safe. | 但保存我们的家园,至少在西方,安全。 |
| 343 | There are several major problems with this claim. | 这项索赔有若干主要问题。 |
| 344 | First, Russia is already at war with us. | 首先,俄罗斯已经与我们交战。 |
| 345 | Not just us Ukrainians, but us here in the UK and even right here in this debating chamber. | 不仅我们乌克兰人,而且我们在英国,甚至在这个辩论室。 |
| 346 | Russia's leadership is openly hostile to democracies that still respect the rule of law and it does all in its power to erode them from fiddling with our undersea cables to meddling in our elections. | 俄罗斯领导人公开敌视仍然尊重法治的民主国家,并尽其所能削弱它们,从操纵海底电缆到干涉我们的选举。 |
| 347 | Its propaganda mouthpieces frequently and openly state that they are waging a war with the West. | 它的宣传口号经常公开地说,他们正在与西方开战。 |
| 348 | They fantasize about attacking Western countries, including the UK, threatening to plunge Britain into the depths of the ocean and turn this island into a radioactive desert. | 他们幻想攻击包括英国在内的西方国家,威胁要让英国陷入海洋深渊,把这座岛屿变成放射性沙漠. |
| 349 | These are direct quotations. | 这些是直接引文。 |
| 350 | One of the things Russia fears most about the West is our respect for freedom of speech. | 俄罗斯最担心西方的东西之一是我们尊重言论自由. |
| 351 | Its political culture is openly hostile to the very concept. | 它的政治文化公开敌视这个概念。 |
| 352 | This house describes itself as the last bastion of free speech. | 这所房子自称是言论自由的最后堡垒. |
| 353 | But does it have fortifications strong enough to withstand a Russian misinformation assault? | 但是它的防御工事是否足够坚固,足以抵挡俄罗斯的误导攻击? |
| 354 | So the motion should actually read as follows. | 因此该动议实际上应该读作如下. |
| 355 | This house would rather take its head out of the sand before it loses it. | 这座房子宁愿在失去它之前把头挖出沙子. |
| 356 | Now, speaking of losing things, Ukraine is not a glove or a wallet to be lost or found. | 现在,说到失去的东西,乌克兰不是丢失或找到的手套或钱包。 |
| 357 | When in 2014 it was offered deep concern and Russia's brazen violation of international law went unpunished, Ukrainians kept fighting, reforming their political institutions and strengthening their army. | 2014年,当它受到深切关注,俄罗斯公然违反国际法的行为不受惩罚时,乌克兰人继续战斗,改革政治机构,加强军队。 |
| 358 | The loss of Crimea did not bring about peace. | 失去克里米亚并没有带来和平. |
| 359 | It facilitated escalation. | 这助长了升级。 |
| 360 | When in the early days of 2022 the country was left to its own devices in all but words, remember those so-called experts who mistook self-importance for knowledge and said that Ukraine was going to fall in three days? | 2022年初,国家除了言语之外,都只能靠自己的手段,要记住那些误认为自己对知识的重要性,并说乌克兰将在三天内沦陷的所谓专家? |
| 361 | Well, Ukrainians kept fighting. | 好吧,乌克兰人继续战斗。 |
| 362 | In the fifth year of the full-scale invasion and the twelfth since Russia started its aggression against Ukraine, Ukraine is still not lost. | 在全面入侵的第五年和俄罗斯开始侵略乌克兰的第十二年,乌克兰仍未失陷. |
| 363 | The claim that sooner or later Russia will win simply because it's so much larger doesn't even work as a self-fulfilling prophecy anymore. | 声称俄罗斯迟早会获胜,只是因为它太大了,甚至不再像一个自我实现的预言那样有效. |
| 364 | Not because the US props up Ukraine, it doesn't, or because the EU enables it to fight on. | 并不是因为美国对乌克兰的道具 也不是因为欧盟允许它继续战斗 |
| 365 | Europe's recent political mobilization is largely a response to the threat from Washington, not from Moscow. | 欧洲最近的政治动员基本上是对来自华盛顿而不是莫斯科的威胁的反应. |
| 366 | Ukraine hasn't fallen because its people don't let it fall. | 乌克兰之所以没有沦陷,是因为其人民不让它沦陷. |
| 367 | However, there is a way in which Ukraine has been lost to much of the world for quite some time. | 然而,乌克兰在相当长的一段时间里被世界大部分地区所失去。 |
| 368 | It's been lost in the shadow that an empire casts over its peripheries. | 在阴影中,一个帝国 抛弃了它的周边。 |
| 369 | Exploring peripheries, be they overseas or in our European neighborhood, requires shaking off our own imperial gaze. | 探索周边环境,无论是海外还是欧洲邻国,都要求我们摆脱帝国主义的视线。 |
| 370 | It means listening to those with experience of resistance rather than those with a tradition of subjugating others. | 这意味着倾听那些有抵抗经验的人,而不是那些有征服他人传统的人. |
| 371 | When it comes to Ukraine, for far too long we have viewed the country through the lens of Moscow, | 关于乌克兰 我们从莫斯科的视角看这个国家太久了 |
| 372 | which did not just dull our intellectual curiosity, but it also undermined our security. | 它不仅使我们的智力好奇心沉闷,而且还破坏了我们的安全。 |
| 373 | We allowed Russia to own our understanding of the whole of East Central Europe, | 我们让俄罗斯拥有我们对整个东欧的理解, |
| 374 | leaving us completely unprepared for the aggression against Ukraine and an adequate response to it. | 我们完全没有为侵略乌克兰和对此作出适当反应做好准备。 |
| 375 | Have things changed much since 2022? | 2022年以后情况有变吗? |
| 376 | I'd like to believe so, but a historian in me urges to look at evidence. | 我愿意相信,但是我内心的一个历史学家 强烈要求查看证据。 |
| 377 | Even tonight, out of eight speakers, not only am I the only woman, | 即使是今晚,在八位发言人中, 不仅我是唯一的女人, |
| 378 | perhaps gender equality on panels such as this is too radical an expectation. | 诸如此类的小组中的两性平等或许是过于激进的期望。 |
| 379 | With all due respect to my colleagues in proposition and opposition, I'm the only Ukrainian. | 恕我直言,我也是乌克兰人 |
| 380 | It is that lived experience combined with my expertise in the country's anti-imperialist culture | 正是这种活生生的经验 与我在国内反帝国文化的专长相结合 |
| 381 | and history of resistance that assures me that Ukraine is not an object others can lose. | 以及让我确信乌克兰不是别人会失去的抵抗历史。 |
| 382 | It will be up to its people to keep fighting or not. | 无论是否继续战斗,都取决于人民。 |
| 383 | They continue to make the choice to fight because the alternative is Russian occupation, | 他们继续选择战斗 因为另一种选择是俄罗斯占领 |
| 384 | which comes with arbitrary violence, torture chambers, and mass graves. | 包括任意暴力 酷刑室和乱葬坑 |
| 385 | For Ukrainians, this is an existential war. | 对于乌克兰人来说,这是一场生存战争. |
| 386 | It is fought in defense of basic freedoms, including freedom of speech, and for dignity. | 这场斗争是为了捍卫基本自由,包括言论自由和尊严。 |
| 387 | For the rest of us, the choice is not yet one of survival or elimination. | 对我们其他人来说,选择还不是生存或消灭。 |
| 388 | The choice we make today is about the side of history we want to be on. | 我们今天作出的选择,是关于我们希望加入的历史一方。 |
| 389 | Betrayal of Ukraine will not bring about peace. | 背叛乌克兰不会带来和平。 |
| 390 | It will jeopardize our own security, send a clear signal to authoritarian regimes around the globe | 这将危及我们自己的安全,向全球的独裁政权发出明确的信号 |
| 391 | that might is right, make Ukrainians realize that the UK is not a reliable partner, | 让乌克兰人意识到英国不是一个可靠的伙伴, |
| 392 | and ultimately escalate the war. | 最终使战争升级 |
| 393 | You're all familiar, no doubt, with the quote attributed to Winston Churchill | 毫无疑问,你们都熟悉温斯顿·丘吉尔的引言 |
| 394 | 并针对Neville Chamberlain 今天已经提到的1938年 | |
| 395 | in the aftermath of the Munich Agreement. | 在慕尼黑协议之后 |
| 396 | You were given the choice between war and dishonor. | 你被赋予了战争和耻辱的选择权 |
| 397 | You chose dishonor, and you will have war. | 你选择了耻辱,你会有战争。 |
| 398 | I would like to cast some light on that shadow in which Ukraine is often lost | 我要点亮乌克兰经常迷失的阴影 |
| 399 | and leave you with a different quote. | 并留一个不同的引言给你。 |
| 400 | It is by Larysa Kosac, and we could do with a few more female voices in this chamber tonight. | 这是Larysa Kosac的, 我们可以做 几个女性的声音 今晚在这个会议厅。 |
| 401 | She was a modernist feminist writer who lived in the Russian Empire | 她是一位现代主义女权主义作家,他生活在俄罗斯帝国 |
| 402 | and chose the pseudonym Lesia Ukrainka, which means Ukrainian woman. | 并选择了假名Lesia Ukrainka,意思是乌克兰女性. |
| 403 | In 1911, she wrote a poem that included this line. | 1911年,她写了一首诗,其中包含了这一行. |
| 404 | Those who haven't lived amidst the storm do not know the value of strength. | 还没有生活在风暴中的人不知道力量的价值 |
| 405 | Lesia Ukrainka had faith in the strength of her nation over 100 years ago, | 莱西娅·乌克莱恩卡在100多年前 对她国家的力量充满信心 |
| 406 | even when the imperial grip still seemed firm. | 即便帝国的统治依然坚固 |
| 407 | My brother, Volodya, realized the power of his people's strength over 10 years ago | 我哥哥沃洛迪亚 10多年前意识到了人民的力量 |
| 408 | when he volunteered to join the Ukrainian armed forces in defense of his country's independence. | 他自愿加入乌克兰武装部队,保卫国家独立。 |
| 409 | Ukrainians discovered their full strength in 2022, very much in the middle of the storm, | 2022年乌克兰人发现其全部兵力, 大部分在风暴中, |
| 410 | when nobody believed that they would survive it. | 没人相信他们会活下来 |
| 411 | Ladies and gentlemen, you have the privilege of discovering your strength | 女士们,先生们,你们有幸发现你们的力量 |
| 412 | in preparation for the storm rather than within it. | 准备迎接风暴 而不是在风暴内部 |
| 413 | The question is, will you use that opportunity wisely? | 问题是,你会明智地利用这个机会吗? |
| 414 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 415 | Thank you very much for that speech. | 非常感谢你的演讲。 |
| 416 | I now call upon the second speaker on side opposition, Mr. Scott Horton. | 我现在请第二位反对者斯科特·霍顿先生发言。 |
| 417 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 418 | It is great to be here on airstrip one, | 很高兴能到机场一号 |
| 419 | forward operating base of the American Empire and land of my forefathers. | 美洲帝国的前沿行动基地 以及我祖先的土地 |
| 420 | You've been very useful lately in Oceania's eternal war against West Asia. | 最近你在大洋洲对西亚的永恒战争中非常有用. |
| 421 | Of course, we've always been at war with Eurasia too. | 当然,我们也一直与欧亚战争. |
| 422 | Should this house, Oxford, England, the West, fight a war with Russia over Ukraine? | 这个房子,牛津,英国,西方,应该与俄国为乌克兰开战吗? |
| 423 | Well, whatever happened to the line that Ukraine can surely win this war themselves | 不管发生什么 乌克兰一定能赢得这场战争 |
| 424 | with just a little bit of weapons and money from us? | 带着一点武器和我们的钱? |
| 425 | They'll take back every square inch, including Crimea, they said. | 他们会收回每平方英寸, 包括克里米亚,他们说。 |
| 426 | That was four years ago. | 这是四年前的事了。 |
| 427 | That was a lie. | 那是谎言。 |
| 428 | I speak for all Americans. | 我代表所有美国人发言。 |
| 429 | You don't count free. | 你不计自由。 |
| 430 | The answer is no. | 答曰无. |
| 431 | Haven't you all seen threads? | 你们没看到线吗? |
| 432 | War with Russia means the entire United Kingdom would be destroyed by hydrogen bombs. | 与俄罗斯的战争意味着整个英国将被氢弹摧毁. |
| 433 | London would be gone. | 伦敦就不见了 |
| 434 | Oxford, which I've come to learn is the oldest university in the world, would be gone. | 牛津大学是世界上最古老的大学,我学的牛津大学就不见了。 |
| 435 | You'll be burning Empire Strikes Back action figures for cooking fuel. | 你会烧掉帝国反击行动 做饭燃料 |
| 436 | Does anyone believe that the entire UK Army could defeat Russia in a conventional war? | 是否有人相信整个英国军队能在常规战争中击败俄罗斯? |
| 437 | Give me a break. | 饶了我吧 |
| 438 | You mean the United States of America should do it for you. | 你是说美利坚合众国应该为你做 |
| 439 | NATO, America's military alliance on the continent, | 北约 美洲大陆的军事联盟 |
| 440 | whose expansion helped cause this war in the first place, creates a terrible moral hazard. | 他们的扩张从一开始就促成了这场战争,造成了可怕的道德危险. |
| 441 | For example, in 2022, Lithuania closed the Salaki corridor between Belarus and Russian Kaliningrad. | 例如,2022年,立陶宛关闭了白俄罗斯和俄罗斯加里宁格勒之间的萨拉基走廊. |
| 442 | Defense official Laurenas Kasiunas told the New York Times that retaliation by Russia was, | 国防官员Laurenas Kasiunas告诉纽约时报 俄罗斯的报复是 |
| 443 | quote, unlikely because Lithuania is a member of NATO. | 引用,不太可能 因为立陶宛是北约的成员。 |
| 444 | If this were not the case, they probably would consider it, end quote. | 如果情况并非如此,他们可能会考虑这一点,最后引文。 |
| 445 | Well, I've got news for you, Lithuanians. | 我有消息要告诉你 立陶宛人 |
| 446 | We're not willing to fight for you either. | 我们也不愿意为你而战 |
| 447 | Besides, the entire myth of U.S. conventional military supremacy has just been completely destroyed by Trump's failure in Iran. | 此外,整个美国常规军事优势的神话刚刚被特朗普在伊朗的失败彻底摧毁. |
| 448 | It's time to get a new foreign policy, one of your own. | 今得新外交政策,自成一统. |
| 449 | In 2018, a New York Times reporter named Keith Gessen interviewed Strobe Talbot, | 2018年,纽约时报记者Keith Gessen采访了斯特罗贝·塔尔博特, |
| 450 | Bill Clinton's deputy secretary of state, who had been an opponent of NATO expansion before he championed it. | 比尔·克林顿的副国务卿,他在拥护北约之前曾是北约扩张的对手. |
| 451 | And at that time, four years into the ongoing civil war, it was beyond question that it was American policy that had helped to provoke the conflict. | 而在当时,持续了四年的内战,毫无疑问,正是美国的政策帮助挑起了冲突. |
| 452 | 当Keith Gessen用这个事实和Strobe Talbot对质时 北约的扩张情况如何? | |
| 453 | He didn't dispute. | 他没有争吵。 |
| 454 | Instead, Talbot said, listen, when you're in power, you have one object. | 相反,塔尔博特说,听着,当你掌权的时候,你有一个目标。 |
| 455 | You must pursue the national interest. | 你必须追求国家利益。 |
| 456 | And if you don't do that, well, then you won't be in power very long. | 如果你不这样做, 那么,你不会在很长的时间的权力。 |
| 457 | But then he mused, Talbot did, he said, should we have had a higher, wiser conception of our national interest? | 但是,塔尔博特说,我们是否应该对国家利益有一个更高、更明智的概念? |
| 458 | Maybe. | 也许 |
| 459 | In other words, should they have concerned themselves with the possibility that they were scheduling a military conflict with Russia for the 21st century? | 换句话说,他们是否应该关心他们把与俄罗斯的军事冲突安排在21世纪的可能性? |
| 460 | Or should they focus on collecting Lockheed dollars and Polish votes in Illinois for the reelection campaign in 1996? | 或者他们应该专注于收集洛克希德的美元和波兰在伊利诺伊州对1996年连任竞选的选票? |
| 461 | They chose the lower, dumber conception of American national interests. | 他们选择了更低,更蠢的美国国家利益概念. |
| 462 | Mr. Fried at that time was part of what they called the pro expansion troika on the National Security Council with Alexander Vershbaugh and Nicholas Burns. | 当时弗里德先生与亚历山大·韦尔什鲍和尼古拉斯·伯恩斯一起参加了他们所称的国家安全委员会中赞成扩大的三国小组。 |
| 463 | They worked to weaken the Partnership for Peace, which included Russia. | 他们竭力削弱包括俄罗斯在内的和平伙伴关系。 |
| 464 | And ensure that it could never join NATO, which they were determined to expand to Russia's western border. | 并确保它永远不能加入北约,他们决心把北约扩大到俄罗斯西部边界。 |
| 465 | They were warned by George Kennan, Pat Buchanan, Brent Scrocroft and many others. | 他们受到乔治·肯南,帕特·布坎南,布伦特·斯克罗夫特等人的警告. |
| 466 | They were simply sowing the seeds of future conflict with Russia. | 他们只是在播下未来与俄罗斯冲突的种子。 |
| 467 | In 2004, Fried played a crucial role in the second round of NATO expansion as well and pushed to include Ukraine, too. | 2004年,弗里德在北约第二轮扩张中也发挥了关键作用,并被推向包括乌克兰。 |
| 468 | On September the 1st, 2005, in a document posted on WikiLeaks.org, Fried admitted to a French diplomat that Ukraine was severely divided on the question of NATO membership. | 2005年9月1日,弗里德在维基解密(WikiLeaks.org)上张贴的一份文件中向法国外交官承认,乌克兰在北约成员资格问题上存在严重分歧. |
| 469 | But played down the threat of a civil or Russia-Ukraine war. | 但是却淡化了一场内战或俄罗斯-乌克兰战争的威胁. |
| 470 | He's here tonight to say that you should die in that war that he promised wouldn't happen. | 他今晚在这里说 你该死在 他保证不会发生的战争中 |
| 471 | In 2008, when George W. Bush was considering inviting Ukraine to join the NATO alliance, America's ambassador to Russia, Nicholas Burns, wrote a memo to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice called Nyet Means Nyet. | 2008年,当乔治·W·布什正在考虑邀请乌克兰加入北约联盟时,美国驻俄罗斯大使尼古拉斯·伯恩斯(Nicholas Burns)给国务卿康多莉扎·赖斯(Condoleezza Rice)写了一份备忘录,名为Nyet Means Nyet. |
| 472 | Again, you can read it at WikiLeaks.org. | 又可于维基文库中查找. |
| 473 | And in there he says that he talked to everyone in foreign policy circles in Russia, from the most enlightened liberal to the most reactionary knuckle-draggers. | 他在那里说,他和俄罗斯外交政策圈子里的每个人谈过,从最开明的自由主义者到最反动的拳击手。 |
| 474 | And they all agreed that NATO membership for Ukraine was, quote, the brightest of red lines. | 他们都同意,乌克兰加入北约是最亮的红线。 |
| 475 | Georgia was too much, but Ukraine was unthinkable. | 格鲁吉亚太多了,但乌克兰是不可想象的。 |
| 476 | He quoted Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov of saying that if America brings Ukraine into NATO, it could cause a civil war. | 他引用外交部长谢尔盖·拉夫罗夫的话说,如果美国将乌克兰带入北约,就可能造成内战. |
| 477 | And then Russia will be faced with the dilemma of whether or not to intervene, a decision they did not want to have to make. | 然后,俄罗斯将面临是否进行干预的两难境地,这是他们不想做的决定。 |
| 478 | Rice and Bush ignored Burns and his good advice and Lavrov's warning. | 赖斯和布什无视伯恩斯及其好的建议和拉夫罗夫的警告. |
| 479 | And even though the Germans and the French would not allow a full membership action plan, still announced that Ukraine was on the path to NATO membership. | 而尽管德国人和法国人不会允许一个正式的会员行动计划,但仍宣布乌克兰正走上加入北约的道路. |
| 480 | In a way, it was the worst of both worlds or the worst of all worlds since they were provoking the Russians, but without providing the war guarantee that would be said to deter them. | 从某种意义上说,这是两个世界中最糟糕的,或者是自他们激怒俄国人以来所有世界中最糟糕的,但是没有提供战争保证,可以说是震慑他们. |
| 481 | Although it only it might have only caused the war to happen sooner. | 虽然只有这样 战争才会更早发生 |
| 482 | In 2019, the Rand Corporation put out a study called Extending Russia, by which they meant how to provoke Russia into over expansion to commitments that they cannot afford. | 2019年,兰德公司推出了一项名为"延伸俄罗斯"的研究,通过这项研究,他们的意思是如何激怒俄罗斯过度扩张,以履行他们无法承担的承诺. |
| 483 | And one of the things that they said was, well, we could pour more weapons into Ukraine and that would drive up Russia's costs. | 他们说的一件事是,嗯,我们可以向乌克兰投入更多的武器,这将提高俄罗斯的成本。 |
| 484 | But then in a big disclaimer, they said, don't do that. | 但是,在大 免责声明, 他们说,不要这样做。 |
| 485 | Don't listen to us. | 别听我们的 |
| 486 | If you do, then there's a very real chance that Russia will go ahead and invade and take back its former provinces in Ukraine's east, which would be a tremendous cost to the United States in terms of power, prestige and probably money. | 如果是这样的话,那么,俄罗斯确实有可能继续侵略并夺回其在乌克兰东部的以前各省,这对美国来说,在权力,威望和可能金钱方面都是巨大的代价. |
| 487 | And of course, would be deadly to our Ukrainian friends. | 当然,对我们的乌克兰朋友来说是致命的。 |
| 488 | Hundreds of thousands killed. | 数十万人被杀. |
| 489 | Hundreds of billions of dollars wasted and Ukraine destroyed are the results of the Donald Trump administration and Joe Biden going on ahead anyway. | 数以千亿计的浪费以及乌克兰被摧毁是唐纳德·特朗普政府和乔·拜登继续前进的结果。 |
| 490 | The strategic defeat that the Biden administration promised has been our own. | 拜登政府承诺的战略失败是我们自己的 |
| 491 | We are now backing Nazis against Russia. | 我们现在支持纳粹对抗俄罗斯。 |
| 492 | No, they're not all Nazis. | 不,他们不是所有的纳粹。 |
| 493 | But if you go back in history, America supported even the communist USSR against Nazi Germany. | 但如果你回到历史,美国甚至支持共产主义苏联反对纳粹德国. |
| 494 | Now we're supporting Nazis in a war against Republican Russia. | 现在我们在支持纳粹对共和俄国的战争. |
| 495 | It makes no sense. | 这根本说不通 |
| 496 | And for all you deniers, I'll urge you to keep your eye on General Andrey Beletsky, the leader of the Third Army Corps, formerly known as the Azov Battalion. | 对于你们这些否认者,我将敦促你们注意第三军团的首领安德烈·贝列茨基将军,他以前被称为亚速营. |
| 497 | He's the guy you always see quoted saying we must lead the white races against the Semitic led intervention in his speech, racial, national, socialism. | 他是你经常看到的人 引用说我们必须领导白人种族 对抗犹太人领导的干预 他的言论,种族,民族,社会主义。 |
| 498 | Oh, sorry, it's the exact opposite. | 哦,对不起,这是完全相反的。 |
| 499 | Social nationalism in a speech that he gave in 2007. | 他在2007年发表的讲话中提出了社会民族主义. |
| 500 | And he has political ambitions. | 他有政治野心。 |
| 501 | He very well could be called the country's furor before too long. | 不久,他就可以被称为国家的皮毛。 |
| 502 | Oh, Empire is murder suicide in it. | 帝国在谋杀自杀 |
| 503 | You're English. | 你是英国人 |
| 504 | You know that the US is national debt is now 40 trillion dollars. | 你知道美国现在的国债是40万亿美元 |
| 505 | We pay more in interest than for the annual cost of the empire itself. | 我们付出的利息比帝国本身每年的费用还多。 |
| 506 | The game is over. | 游戏结束了。 |
| 507 | If the if the UK wishes to try it again, be our guest, but just stay out of the new world. | 如果英国想再试一次,请自便,但不要进入新世界。 |
| 508 | James Monroe's doctrine warned but also promised that the United States would stay out of the old world too. | 詹姆斯·门罗的学说警告,但也承诺美国也会远离旧世界. |
| 509 | The last time full scale war broke out in Europe, it was the worst thing that ever happened. | 上一次欧洲爆发全面战争,这是最糟糕的事情. |
| 510 | If we go to war with Russia, the West will be destroyed along with them. | 如果我们与俄国开战,西方将随他们一同毁灭. |
| 511 | No one will be left to complain about what a mistake it was. | 没有人会抱怨那是错误的 |
| 512 | Even though Robert Kagan, neoconservative ringleader and husband of Victoria Newland, who played such a role in getting us into this mess, | 尽管罗伯特·卡根,新保守党头目 和维多利亚·纽兰的丈夫, 扮演了如此的角色 让我们陷入这场混乱, |
| 513 | pointed out that actually, now that you think about it, it really doesn't matter to American national interests whatsoever who controls Ukraine. | 指出,实际上,现在你考虑它, 它真的无关 美国国家利益 谁控制乌克兰。 |
| 514 | It didn't matter throughout the entire Cold War. | 整个冷战期间都无所谓 |
| 515 | And his wife, Victoria Newland, admitted that actually it turns out that Russia's a paper tiger. | 而他的妻子维多利亚·纽兰(英语:Victoria Newland)也承认实际上证明俄罗斯是纸老虎. |
| 516 | They can't even take all of Eastern Ukraine, much less Eastern or much less Western Europe. | 他们甚至不能占领所有东乌克兰,更不要说东方或西欧. |
| 517 | Give us a break. | 饶了我们吧 |
| 518 | Don't listen to the war party's lies. | 不要听战争党的谎言。 |
| 519 | No one cares who rules Dnipropetrovsk, and we're certainly not willing to die for it. | 没人在乎是谁统治了第聂伯罗彼得罗夫斯克 我们肯定不会为此而死 |
| 520 | Instead, we should rejoin the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, the New START Treaty, the INF Treaty and Open Skies Treaties, | 相反,我们应当重新加入《反弹道导弹条约》、《新裁武条约》、《中导条约》和开放天空条约, |
| 521 | and leave NATO and come home from Europe permanently. | 离开北约 从欧洲永远回家 |
| 522 | We need peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none. | 我们需要和平、商业和同所有国家的真诚友谊,同任何国家结成联盟。 |
| 523 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 524 | Thank you, everyone. | 谢谢大家 |
| 525 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 526 | I now open up the floor for floor speeches to be presented by students. | 我现在请学生发言。 |
| 527 | I call upon the member in the jacket. | 我请穿外套的成员发言。 |
| 528 | I yield my chair to the ex-Secretary and the Librarian-elect, Harry Aldridge, for the floor speeches. | 我将我的椅子交给前秘书和当选图书馆员哈里·奥尔德里奇作演讲。 |
| 529 | My name is John Chelson. | 我叫约翰·切尔森 |
| 530 | I spend a lot of time in Ukraine. | 我在乌克兰待了很多年 |
| 531 | A week ago, I was in Odessa, Ukraine's free port on the Black Sea. | 一周前,我在乌克兰黑海自由港敖德萨。 |
| 532 | I left there on Tuesday, a couple of days ago. | 我几天前周二离开的 |
| 533 | In Odessa, there's actually three ports. | 在敖德萨,实际上有三个港口. |
| 534 | There's the main city port at the foot of the Potemkin Steps. | 波腾金台阶脚下设有主要城市港口. |
| 535 | There's also ports at Pidveni and Kramovsk. | 皮德韦尼和克拉莫夫斯克也有港口. |
| 536 | Those three ports, through them, flow oil and grain. | 这三个港口,通过它们,输送石油和谷物。 |
| 537 | That's the lifeblood of Ukraine. | 这是乌克兰的生命线。 |
| 538 | That makes Odessa a key strategic target for Russia. | 这使得敖德萨成为俄罗斯的关键战略目标. |
| 539 | Every night, there's intense attacks from drones and missiles. | 每天晚上都有来自无人机和导弹的猛烈攻击. |
| 540 | During the day, there's repeated air raids and alerts. | 白天,不断出现空袭和警报. |
| 541 | And yet, those three ports continue to operate 24-7. | 然而,这三个港口继续24-7运营. |
| 542 | There's some damage, but you wouldn't believe looking at it. | 有一些损伤, 但你不会相信看它。 |
| 543 | You can't see it. | 你看不见它。 |
| 544 | The city of a million people continues to function normally. | 100万人口的城市继续正常运转。 |
| 545 | On Tuesday, I visited a children's hospital which was hit by a drone. | 星期二,我参观了一所儿童医院,医院被无人机击中。 |
| 546 | That hospital is being rebuilt. | 医院正在重建中。 |
| 547 | Last Friday, I went to the opera Rigoletto in the opera house. | 上周五,我去了歌剧院的歌剧里戈莱托。 |
| 548 | When there was an air raid, the audience went to the shelter under the auditorium. | 当发生空袭时,观众前往礼堂下的避难所. |
| 549 | When the air raid was over, we returned and the performance resumed. | 空袭结束后,我们返回,表演恢复. |
| 550 | Russia is nowhere near to taking Odessa, yet alone Ukraine. | 俄国远未占领敖德萨, |
| 551 | The only way that Russia will take Ukraine is with the use of tactical nuclear weapons. | 俄罗斯夺取乌克兰的唯一办法是使用战术核武器。 |
| 552 | NATO and Ukraine's European allies have told Russia in no uncertain terms | 北约和乌克兰的欧洲盟国毫不含糊地告诉俄罗斯 |
| 553 | that were they to use a nuclear weapon, the response would be overwhelming, both militarily and economically. | 他们如果使用核武器,无论在军事上还是在经济方面,反应都是压倒性的。 |
| 554 | There is no way that Russia is going to take Ukraine. | 俄罗斯不可能占领乌克兰。 |
| 555 | That decision has already been made. | 这一决定已经作出。 |
| 556 | Whatever this House may prefer when you get up to vote is pretty much irrelevant in the real world. | 在现实世界中,无论本院是否喜欢你起立投票,都几乎无关紧要。 |
| 557 | This motion has already been passed. | 这项动议已经获得通过。 |
| 558 | I was going to stop there, but you, sir, should be ashamed of yourself. | 我本来要停在那里,但你,先生, 应该为自己感到羞愧。 |
| 559 | I notice you guys are all... | 我注意到你们都是... |
| 560 | Can I please ask that we refrain from ad hominem? | 我能问一下我们不要吸血吗? |
| 561 | I notice you all are here studying in college, not rushing to join the army to go and fight and die. | 我注意到你们都在这里念大学, 不是急着去参军去战斗和死亡。 |
| 562 | Can I please ask both members to take a seat? | 我可否请两位成员就座? |
| 563 | If you had any balls at all, you would come with me to Ukraine. | 如果你有胆量的话 你会和我一起去乌克兰 |
| 564 | Meet your so-called Nazis. | 见汝所谓纳粹. |
| 565 | I don't know where you get your facts from, but you are completely and utterly wrong. | 我不知道你从哪里得到你的事实, 但你完全和完全错误。 |
| 566 | I now look for a speaker on side opposition. | 我现在找一位反对的发言者。 |
| 567 | I look to the member in the suit. | 我望着西装成员。 |
| 568 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 569 | When Proposition have not been telling us about how Ukraine is going to win anyway, | 当提案没有告诉我们乌克兰将如何获胜时, |
| 570 | they have been saying that we should fight for Ukraine because apparently it's not going to win anyway. | 他们一直说我们应该为乌克兰而战 因为显然它不会赢 |
| 571 | But when they haven't been saying this, we have heard a lot about principles. | 但是,当他们还没有这样说的时候,我们听到了许多原则。 |
| 572 | The principle of helping Ukraine, of helping the small country, | 帮助乌克兰、帮助小国的原则, |
| 573 | the principle of helping those who are oppressed or killed. | 帮助受压迫或被杀害者的原则。 |
| 574 | Unjustly, I agree. | 不公平,我同意这一点。 |
| 575 | But principles are only worth your ability to put them into place. | 但是,原则只是值得你的能力 把它们到位。 |
| 576 | In this time of unseen military conflict and tension since the Second World War, | 在第二次世界大战以来军事冲突和紧张局势的隐形时代, |
| 577 | we spend on our military budget 2.5% of GDP. | 我们的军事预算占国内生产总值的2.5%。 |
| 578 | Our plan to raise it by 1% will take a decade. | 我们计划提高1% 需要十年。 |
| 579 | We're spending more on debt repayment than on GDP. | 我们的还债支出比GDP还多. |
| 580 | And when the government plans to reduce welfare payment, | 而当政府计划减少福利支付时, |
| 581 | which at the moment is larger than our entire income tax receipts, | 目前比我们所有的所得税收入都大 |
| 582 | there is a revolt to the backbenchers which prevents them from doing so. | 背井离乡者们发生叛乱,使他们无法这样做。 |
| 583 | No. | 没有 |
| 584 | All right. | 好吧,我们走。 |
| 585 | You want to help Ukraine. | 你想帮助乌克兰。 |
| 586 | You want to go to war with Russia. | 你想和俄国开战 |
| 587 | You want this. | 你想要这个。 |
| 588 | Do you want the policies that are necessary to put this into place? | 你是否想要制定必要的政策来落实这一点? |
| 589 | Do you want to reduce the payment that goes to all sorts of services in this country | 您是否想要减少向国内各种服务支付的费用? |
| 590 | so that we can actually fund a functional army | 这样我们就能资助一支能发挥作用的军队 |
| 591 | which can do more than send one single ship to hang around for two weeks in the Middle East? | 除了派一艘船去中东呆两周之外, |
| 592 | And if there is war, because our army is the smallest since it's been since the Polio era, | 如果有战争,因为我们的军队是自脊髓灰质炎时代以来最小的, |
| 593 | do you want to join? | 你想加入吗? |
| 594 | Do you want to die? | 你想死吗? |
| 595 | Do you want your brother to die? | 你想让你哥哥死吗? |
| 596 | Because it is very easy arguing on principles when we're here. | 因为我们在这里时很容易争论原则 |
| 597 | It is very easy to say that we should do this and that. | 非常容易说,我们应该这样做。 |
| 598 | But this is not actually a hypothetical question. | 但这实际上不是一个假设的问题。 |
| 599 | Europe has a chance to fight. | 欧洲有战斗的机会. |
| 600 | Europe has a chance to arm itself. | 欧洲有机会武装自己。 |
| 601 | Europe has a chance to spend more. | 欧洲有机会花更多钱。 |
| 602 | Europe has a chance to integrate an army. | 欧洲有机会整合军队。 |
| 603 | The Americans have a chance to resume their role as leaders of the free world. | 美国人有机会恢复他们作为自由世界领导人的角色. |
| 604 | But as our American guest has so tactfully put in its speech, | 但正如我们的美国客人在演讲中 巧妙地说的那样 |
| 605 | many emotions and reasoning in America are going against this. | 美国许多情绪和推理都与此相反。 |
| 606 | We have had the choice to prepare for war and we are failing it. | 我们曾有为战争作准备的选择,但失败了。 |
| 607 | So do you want to fight a war against a country which has been funding and training its army | 所以,你想打一场战争 国家一直资助和训练它的军队 |
| 608 | with the smallest arm we've had in centuries, | 用我们几个世纪以来最小的手臂 |
| 609 | the most underfunded, crumbling military institutions we've had in probably longer? | 最资金不足,崩溃 军事机构,我们有 可能更长的时间? |
| 610 | Or do you want to take a reasonable view that our red line is NATO, | 或者你是否认为我们的红线是北约 |
| 611 | that we should start arming, | 我们应该开始武装, |
| 612 | but there is no point in believing in principles if all we do is get ourselves killed | 但如果我们所做的就是自杀 相信原则是没有意义的 |
| 613 | without actually being able to fix anything? | 却又没能解决什么? |
| 614 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 615 | I now look for a speaker on side. | 我现在一边找一个发言者。 |
| 616 | Proposition, I look to the speaker on the front bench. | 提议,我看前面的演讲者。 |
| 617 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 618 | I've got one point to make and only two minutes to make it, so I'll keep this brief. | 我有一点要说,只有两分钟可以做,所以我会保持这个简短. |
| 619 | Mr Horton, in his attempt to justify his side of the motion, | 霍顿先生 为了证明他支持动议 |
| 620 | said effectively that Ukraine is undeserving of support | 有效表示乌克兰不值得支持 |
| 621 | because it is a neo-Nazi country or has neo-Nazis fighting in it. | 因为它是一个新纳粹国家 或有新纳粹在其中战斗。 |
| 622 | This is pure Russian propaganda | 这是纯粹的俄国宣传 |
| 623 | and it's important to look at the facts. | 并且重要的是要看看事实。 |
| 624 | Andrzej Bielecki是谁? | |
| 625 | Later, later. | 晚点再说 |
| 626 | Can speakers please not interrupt? | 能请发言者不要打断吗? |
| 627 | Denied. | 否认。 |
| 628 | Is a Nazi. | 是纳粹 |
| 629 | I'll talk to you after. | 之后再跟你谈 |
| 630 | Mr Horton, Mr Horton, Mr Horton, | 霍顿先生 霍顿先生 霍顿先生 |
| 631 | please do not interrupt speakers as they are speaking. | 请不要打断发言者的发言。 |
| 632 | It is against the forms of the House and you will be carried outside of the Chamber. | 这与众议院的形式相违背,你们将被带到众议院之外。 |
| 633 | This isn't the Joe Rogan podcast. | 这不是乔罗根播客。 |
| 634 | Let's talk about the facts. | 谈事实. |
| 635 | No, no. | 没有,没有。 |
| 636 | Mr Horton, if you would like to ask a question, please raise a point of information. | 霍顿先生,如果你想问一个问题, 请提出一个问题。 |
| 637 | The speaker can choose whether or not they want to accept the point of information, | 发言者可以选择他们是否接受信息要点, |
| 638 | but please do not speak over the speaker. | 但请不要在演讲者发言。 |
| 639 | You will be asked to leave the Chamber. | 将要求你离开会议厅。 |
| 640 | Mr Horton, you've had your due time. | 霍顿先生,你有你的时间。 |
| 641 | Let me say something. | 让我说句话 |
| 642 | Ukraine is one of the only two nations on earth with a Jewish head of state. | 乌克兰是世界上仅有的两个拥有犹太国家元首的国家之一. |
| 643 | In the last election in Ukraine in 2019, far-right political parties | 2019年乌克兰上一次选举中,极右翼政党 |
| 644 | secured less than 3% of the vote below the threshold necessary | 在必要门槛以下获得不到3%的选票 |
| 645 | to obtain seats in the Ukrainian parliament, | 获得乌克兰议会席位, |
| 646 | and far less than the popularity enjoyed by far-right parties | 远远低于极右翼政党的受欢迎程度 |
| 647 | in most EU member states and the UK itself. | 在大多数欧盟成员国和联合王国本身。 |
| 648 | According to research on antisemitism in Eastern Europe, | 根据东欧反分裂主义的研究, |
| 649 | conducted by the Pew Institute, | 皮尤研究所, |
| 650 | Ukrainian antisemitism is lower in Ukraine than most other places in Europe. | 乌克兰的反分裂主义在乌克兰比欧洲大多数其他地方要低. |
| 651 | Given the history of antisemitism in Europe, | 鉴于欧洲反分裂主义的历史, |
| 652 | it's truly abhorrent and inexcusable to use that term under false pretenses | 在虚假的假说下使用这个词确实令人憎恶和不可原谅 |
| 653 | to invent unjustifiable criticisms of the Ukrainian state | 发明对乌克兰国家的无理批评 |
| 654 | and its people as a pretext for denying their sovereignty and independence. | 及其人民是剥夺其主权和独立的一个借口。 |
| 655 | Mr Horton, you infuriate me. | 霍顿先生 你惹恼了我 |
| 656 | You infuriate me by saying... | 你让我很生气说... |
| 657 | No, no, no, no, no. | No二别显. |
| 658 | Wait, wait. | 单单 |
| 659 | I'll talk to you afterwards. | 过会儿再聊 |
| 660 | Mr Horton, you infuriate me, | 霍顿先生,你惹恼我 |
| 661 | but I'd like to invite you to my family home in Kiev. | 但我想邀请你来我家基辅 |
| 662 | Come and see what my culture is about. | 来看看我的文化是什么 |
| 663 | Come and see what's worth fighting for. | 过来看看值得为什么而战 |
| 664 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 665 | Madam President, can I respond to that? | 主席女士,我能对此作出反应吗? |
| 666 | No. | 没有 |
| 667 | It is currently time for floor speeches, | 现在是发言的时候了, |
| 668 | which are usually speeches open to members. | 这些发言通常向各位成员开放。 |
| 669 | But you may respond in the bar later on when you have a conversation. | 但你可以晚点在酒吧回应 当你有谈话。 |
| 670 | On a point of perhaps order, | 也许从顺序上来说 |
| 671 | there is a danger, it seems to me, | 有危险,在我看来, |
| 672 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}而不是理性的辩论 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}而你却在说 | |
| 673 | And I do think my fellow speaker was personally introduced on that occasion, | 我认为我的同一位发言者当时是亲自介绍的, |
| 674 | and I would think it would be only just to allow him a right of reply | 我觉得只是让他有答辩权 |
| 675 | to the introducing which he's just received. | 他刚刚收到的介绍 |
| 676 | That's my point of view, and I've put it to you. | 这就是我的观点,我已经把它给你。 |
| 677 | Mr Horton, you have one minute, | 霍顿先生 你有一分钟时间 |
| 678 | but can I please ask that you do not attack the member with any kind of insult? | 但是,我能否请你不要以任何侮辱攻击该成员的行为? |
| 679 | Substance only. | 只有物质。 |
| 680 | The talking point that the right-wing nationalist parties in Ukraine | 乌克兰右翼民族主义政党的谈话要点 |
| 681 | haven't done very well is purely beside the point. | 没有做得很好 完全不是重点 |
| 682 | What happened was all their leaders joined other parties. | 发生的情况是,他们的领导人都加入了其他政党。 |
| 683 | Andriy Beletsky, of course, was the founder of the Azov Battalion, | 安德里·贝列茨基是亚速营的创始人 |
| 684 | is now the third or fourth most popular guy in the polls | 现在在民调中是第三或第四位最受欢迎的人 |
| 685 | to be the next president of the country. | 成为国家下一任总统。 |
| 686 | Andriy Perubiy 来自社会国民党 | |
| 687 | was the Speaker of the Parliament for five years | 曾任议会议长五年 |
| 688 | after winning under the Fatherland Party and other parties. | 在祖国党和其他党派领导下获胜后 |
| 689 | There is a strong tradition of far right-wing nationalism in far western Ukraine. | 极右翼民族主义在乌克兰远西部有很强的传统. |
| 690 | They fought with the Germans in the Second World War. | 他们在第二次世界大战中与德国人作战. |
| 691 | They helped precipitate the Holocaust. | 他们促成了大屠杀。 |
| 692 | And the Social National Party was founded by the direct descendants | 社会国民党是由直系后裔建立的 |
| 693 | of the Banderites who fought with the Nazis in the Second World War. | 在第二次世界大战中与纳粹作战的班德利人 |
| 694 | Thank you, Mr Horton. | 谢谢你,霍顿先生。 |
| 695 | So it's just a lie to pretend that the fact that there's a Jewish president there | 所以,这只是一个谎言 假装有一个犹太总统的事实在那里 |
| 696 | means that there's not a real problem with national socialism in Ukraine. | 表示乌克兰国家社会主义没有真正的问题. |
| 697 | Thank you, Mr Horton. | 谢谢你,霍顿先生。 |
| 698 | I now call on the third speaker on side proposition, Mr Francis Dernley. | 我现在请第三位副发言者弗朗西斯·登利先生发言。 |
| 699 | Well, thank you, Madam President, members, ladies and gentlemen. | 谢谢你,主席女士 成员们,女士们,先生们 |
| 700 | It is a great privilege to speak to you this evening and a great responsibility, too. | 我非常荣幸今晚能与你交谈 也非常有责任 |
| 701 | It has been the great honor of my career so far | 这是我事业的荣耀 |
| 702 | to report on the war in Ukraine for the last four years. | 报告过去四年乌克兰战争的情况。 |
| 703 | Lest we forget, it is Europe's bloodiest war since the Second World War | 免得我们忘记,这是第二次世界大战以来欧洲最血腥的战争 |
| 704 | with, as has already been mentioned, hundreds of thousands killed. | 如前所述,有数十万人被杀害。 |
| 705 | Now, in that time, I have interviewed hundreds of people | 现在,在那段时间,我已经采访了数百人 |
| 706 | from frontline soldiers to the men, women and children | 从前线士兵到男子、妇女和儿童 |
| 707 | who are enduring the most barbaric horrors on a nightly basis | 他们正在夜里忍受最野蛮的恐怖 |
| 708 | to world leaders like President Zelensky. | 给泽连斯基总统等世界领袖 |
| 709 | But the interview that haunts me the most | 但最困扰我的采访 |
| 710 | is one that happened a couple of years ago in the frontline city of Kharkiv | 是几年前发生在哈尔科夫前线城市的事件 |
| 711 | in the northeast of the country. | 在该国东北部。 |
| 712 | I asked a young woman there what her worst fear was and she looked at me and she said | 我问一个年轻女人 她最怕什么 她看着我说 |
| 713 | that one day my children will be made to fight yours. | 有一天,我的孩子们会 与你的战斗。 |
| 714 | That stuck with me and still does because that is a possibility if Russia is allowed | 一直跟着我 因为如果俄罗斯被允许的话 |
| 715 | to win this war. | 为了赢得这场战争 |
| 716 | Now I could stand here and make a very emotional argument and I'm aware that there have been | 现在,我可以站在这里 并做出一个非常情绪化的争论 我知道有 |
| 717 | heightened emotions in the last 20 minutes or so but I am actually going to speak from | 20分钟左右的情绪升高 但我真的要从 |
| 718 | the subject and from the position of self-interest primarily because I think the wording of the | 从主题和自我利益的立场来看,主要因为我认为, |
| 719 | motion is such that it demands that. | 动是它所要求的。 |
| 720 | So I'm going to start by arguing that we cannot afford to lose Ukraine on a strategic basis. | 因此,我首先要提出,我们不能在战略基础上失去乌克兰. |
| 721 | Ukraine has Europe's largest army, 900,000 men and women at arms. | 乌克兰拥有欧洲最大的军队,90万男女武装. |
| 722 | That's nine times the size of our entire military at present. | 这是目前整个军队的九倍 |
| 723 | Suffice to say if that army were taken, as has happened in Ukraine's history, the guns | 仅此而已,如果那支军队被夺去,就像乌克兰历史上所发生的那样,枪支 |
| 724 | turned around and faced west with a Russia on the march, puffed up following a success, | 转身向西面对着一个俄国人, 在游行中, |
| 725 | that would be what we would face. | 这将是我们面对的。 |
| 726 | We being the west, we being Britain. | 我们是西方,我们是英国。 |
| 727 | Not only that, we have a country which is a drone superpower. | 不仅如此,我们有一个国家 一个无人机超级大国。 |
| 728 | It has innovated and developed cutting-edge weaponry that is redefining how war is fought | 它革新和研制了尖端武器,正在重新界定如何发动战争 |
| 729 | in the 21st century, hundreds, possibly even thousands of factories, again, all left in | 在21世纪, 数百, 可能甚至数千个工厂, 再次,所有留在 |
| 730 | the hands of Russia. | 俄罗斯的手。 |
| 731 | Now it's already been mentioned, Odessa, Black Port City, critical, critical for world | 现在已经有人提到过,敖德萨,黑港城,对世界至关重要 |
| 732 | supplies of grain and other foodstuffs, 400 million people depend on foodstuffs that go | 粮食和其他食品供应,4亿人依赖粮食 |
| 733 | through those ports. | 通过这些港口。 |
| 734 | I've been there. | 我去过那里。 |
| 735 | I've experienced the bombardments that were just described. | 我经历过刚才描述的轰炸 |
| 736 | I've seen the hundreds of grain ships going back and forth supplying countries not only | 我见过几百艘粮船 往返于供应国 |
| 737 | in the west but Africa. | 在西部,但非洲。 |
| 738 | Again, this is an essential resource that cannot be allowed to get into the hands of | 同样,这是不能允许落入其手中的重要资源。 |
| 739 | Moscow and Vladimir Putin. | 莫斯科和弗拉基米尔·普京. |
| 740 | I go on in terms of the vital resources of Ukraine, which by the way is not a small country | 我接着谈到乌克兰的重要资源,顺便说一句,乌克兰不是一个小国。 |
| 741 | as was mentioned, it is Europe's largest country by landmass. | 如前所述,它是欧洲最大的陆地国家。 |
| 742 | We have a country that has a population of 40 million people. | 我们的国家有4 000万人口。 |
| 743 | We also have a country that has 117 of the 120 vital minerals used in industry. | 我国还有一个工业中使用的120种重要矿物中有117种。 |
| 744 | Now I'm not somebody who's following the economics of critical minerals to be completely | 现在我不是那种 完全关注关键矿物经济学的人 |
| 745 | honest with you. | 老实说 |
| 746 | It's not the most gripping of subjects. | 这不是最牢靠的主体。 |
| 747 | However, it is what makes your mobile phones. | 然而,这就是你的手机。 |
| 748 | It is what makes your laptops. | 这就是你的笔记本电脑。 |
| 749 | It is what makes weapons, pivotal things in the modern world. | 武器是现代世界的关键 |
| 750 | And it's expected that by 2050 the demands on those resources will be up by 500%. | 预计到2050年,对这些资源的需求将增加500 %。 |
| 751 | Ukraine alone has about 500,000 tonnes of lithium. | 仅乌克兰就有大约50万吨锂。 |
| 752 | Part of the reason that Russia has waged this war is to gain access to those minerals. | 俄罗斯发动这场战争的部分原因就是获得这些矿物。 |
| 753 | So again, it gives me no pleasure to be talking about human lives in these terms. | 因此,我再次不乐于用这些词语谈论人的生命。 |
| 754 | But the motion, I think, demands it and I ask you whether those things you would want | 但动议,我想,要求它 我问你,你是否想要的东西 |
| 755 | to be in the hands of a dictator. | 在独裁者的手中 |
| 756 | I'll take it. | 我来 |
| 757 | The proposition keeps making the point of do we want this to be the case, the normal case. | 提议不断提出要点 我们是否希望这样,正常的情况。 |
| 758 | But they never answer the question that our armies and groups in general at the moment | 但他们从未回答过 我们的军队和集团 |
| 759 | are both going to prepare. | 都准备好了 |
| 760 | We don't want it, but how do you think our military dimension will actually help secure | 我们不想要它,但你认为我们的军事维度 将如何帮助确保 |
| 761 | these strategic benefits? | 这些战略利益? |
| 762 | So are you trying to argue that the combined armies of NATO, 28 countries, would not be | 所以你是想说 北约28个国家的联合军队 |
| 763 | able to fight against Russia? | 能对抗俄国? |
| 764 | Who's losing against Ukraine? | 谁会输给乌克兰? |
| 765 | As the proposition hasn't actually bothered to define what this House means for the day, | 由于这个提议并没有真正地 来定义今天这个房子的意义, |
| 766 | I don't think the British want its own war and I don't think that NATO would be organised | 我不认为英国人想要自己的战争 我认为北约不会被组织起来 |
| 767 | enough or have enough to aim for its population. | 足够或足够针对其人口。 |
| 768 | This country and other countries would have the will to do it. | 这个国家和其他国家有这样做的意愿。 |
| 769 | And there is no such thing as much money. | 而且没有那么多钱 |
| 770 | I simply don't see it happening. | 我根本没看出来 |
| 771 | And the proposition in no way, in any case, is actually detailed how the war will last. | 而这个提议,无论如何,实际上都没有详细说明战争将如何持续. |
| 772 | Well, I can't predict the future, sir. | 我无法预测未来,长官 |
| 773 | But I would say that there are numerous mechanisms in which, if push came to shove, there would | 但我要说,有许多机制,如果推来推去,就会 |
| 774 | be a conventional military response in extremists. | 成为极端分子的常规军事反应。 |
| 775 | There is NATO. | 有北约。 |
| 776 | There is the Joint Expeditionary Force. | 有联合远征军. |
| 777 | There are many entities that could be used. | 有许多实体可以使用。 |
| 778 | There could even just be an alliance of certain countries that felt strongly on this matter. | 某些对此问题有强烈看法的国家甚至可以结成联盟。 |
| 779 | So I would argue very strongly that it would be entirely possible for a conventional military | 因此,我强烈主张,常规军事是完全可能的。 |
| 780 | response to be successful despite the points that you make. | 尽管你提出了很多问题,但还是会成功。 |
| 781 | I mean, actually, sir, I have some agreement with you in terms of the woeful state of our armed | 实际上,先生,我同意你 关于我们武装的悲惨状态 |
| 782 | forces following decades of government inaction. | 数十年政府无所作为之后的势力。 |
| 783 | But fundamentally, we still have a large army and there are many other European nations as well | 但从根本上说,我们还有一支庞大的军队 还有许多其他欧洲国家 |
| 784 | that could fight if it so chose. | 如果它这样选择,它可以战斗。 |
| 785 | But I'm trying to avoid a situation where we are forced to be in that situation by the remarks | 但我在努力避免我们被迫陷入这种境地 |
| 786 | I'm making this evening. | 我今晚来做 |
| 787 | Now, I do want to make a couple of other points, if I may. | 现在,如果可以的话,我确实想谈几点其他问题。 |
| 788 | It's already been made, and strongly, the idea that might cannot be allowed to be made right. | 它已经做了,并且强烈地说, 可能不允许被纠正的想法。 |
| 789 | Now, that may seem far-fetched in the world that we have grown up in. | 现在,在我们成长的世界中,这似乎很牵强。 |
| 790 | We have become adjusted, and for good reason, with the idea that these things are appalling acts, | 我们做了调整,有正当理由, 认为这些事情是骇人听闻的行为, |
| 791 | the invasions of countries and everything else. | 国家和其他一切的入侵。 |
| 792 | The reality is that this is a rare moment in human history where these things are seemed | 现实是,这是人类历史上一个难得的时刻 这些东西看起来 |
| 793 | undesirable and immoral. | 不受欢迎和不道德。 |
| 794 | It was only less than a century ago that many countries in Europe voted in dictators into power. | 仅仅不到一个世纪前,欧洲许多国家就投了独裁者之票,投下了政权. |
| 795 | We see these things as being absolutes and clear, but they are not always so. | 我们认为这些事情是绝对的和明确的,但它们并不总是如此。 |
| 796 | And I would urge people to think on the fact that what was already considered impossible to conceive, | 我敦促人们思考一个事实, 已经被认为是不可能想象的, |
| 797 | which is hundreds and thousands of missiles and drones attacking European cities, | 数以百计的导弹和无人机攻击欧洲城市, |
| 798 | happening on a nightly basis, wouldn't be front-page news. | 夜里发生的,不会是头版新闻。 |
| 799 | But it's not anymore. | 但它已经不是了。 |
| 800 | When do you think the worst raid of the war was? | 你觉得战争中最糟糕的突袭是什么时候? |
| 801 | Most of you probably will assume in the first month of the war. | 你们大部分人大概会在战争的第一个月中承担 |
| 802 | It was last month. | 是上个月的事 |
| 803 | This war is escalating, and the horrors are enduring. | 这场战争正在升级,恐怖正在持续。 |
| 804 | And yet all of us here have seen the moral architecture of the world in which we inhabit | 然而,在座的所有人都看到了我们所居住的世界的道德结构 |
| 805 | completely change within a handful of years. | 几年内完全变了 |
| 806 | So don't believe that it is impossible. | 所以别相信这是不可能的 |
| 807 | I would also underscore that President Xi was in Moscow in 2023, | 我还要强调,习主席2023年在莫斯科, |
| 808 | and he said to Vladimir Putin that the changes that we are facilitating have not been seen for a hundred years. | 他对弗拉基米尔·普京说,我们促成的变化已经一百年没有看到。 |
| 809 | He saw this as a good thing. | 他认为这是一件好事。 |
| 810 | And as has already been pointed out, if we permit for Russia to be successful in Ukraine, | 正如已经指出,如果我们允许俄罗斯在乌克兰取得成功, |
| 811 | that will be an open invitation to China to attack Taiwan, | 将公开邀请中国攻击台湾, |
| 812 | because it will believe that the West has gone soft. | 因为它会相信西方已经软化。 |
| 813 | And that is truly dangerous in the Pacific, because I think America may well be obliged to act, | 这在太平洋是真正危险的 因为我认为美国很可能有义务采取行动 |
| 814 | and certainly Japan would. | 日本当然会 |
| 815 | I feel like I need to finish. | 我觉得我需要完成。 |
| 816 | Sorry. | 对不起 |
| 817 | On that last point, and I'll end with this, | 最后一点,我到此结束 |
| 818 | this hallowed chamber voted, famously, notoriously in 1933, | 这个神圣的会议厅投票,著名的, 臭名昭著的1933年, |
| 819 | that under no circumstances would it fight for king and country. | 决不会为国王和国家而战 |
| 820 | It was seen as a light vote at the time, | 当时人们认为这是轻度投票, |
| 821 | but it wasn't read that way in many of the European capitals. | 但在许多欧洲国家的首都,它并没有这样解读。 |
| 822 | Hitler himself banged his copy of the Times and said, | 希特勒亲自敲打他的《时报》副本并说, |
| 823 | this is why we will win the war. | 这就是为什么我们会赢得战争。 |
| 824 | So you should think very carefully before you vote this evening, | 所以今晚投票前你应该仔细考虑 |
| 825 | because our enemies are watching. | 因为我们的敌人在看 |
| 826 | And I urge you to vote aye. | 我敦促你投票支持 |
| 827 | Thank you for your speech. | 谢谢你的演讲 |
| 828 | I now call upon the third speaker on side opposition, His Excellency Jan Konigurski. | 我现在请第三位反对派发言人扬·科尼古尔斯基阁下发言。 |
| 829 | Mr. President, ladies and gentlemen, dear colleagues, | 主席先生,女士们,先生们,亲爱的同事们, |
| 830 | thank you for the invitation. | 谢谢你的邀请 |
| 831 | Sorry for my English. | 对不起,我的英语。 |
| 832 | We are to discuss whether this assembly recommends going to war with Russia | 我们要讨论这个大会是否建议与俄罗斯开战 |
| 833 | rather than losing Ukraine to the West. | 而不是把乌克兰输给西方 |
| 834 | A similar question could have been addressed by this assembly | 这个大会本来可以处理一个类似的问题 |
| 835 | after 1850, and the question could have been | 1850年后,问题可能是 |
| 836 | whether Britain should have gone to help Turkey in the Crimean War against Russia. | 英国是否应该 去帮助土耳其 在克里米亚战争对俄罗斯。 |
| 837 | Britain went to help Turkey, | 英国去帮助土耳其, |
| 838 | and many British men ended their lives in Crimea at the time. | 和许多英国人结束了他们的生命 在克里米亚当时。 |
| 839 | But now to answer the call would mean confronting a nuclear power | 但是现在回答这个呼吁 意味着面对核电 |
| 840 | that has many times more nuclear warheads than the United Kingdom. | 核弹头比联合王国多很多倍。 |
| 841 | Why such an interest in Ukraine? | 为什么对乌克兰这么感兴趣? |
| 842 | Ukraine is just a tool. | 乌克兰只是一个工具。 |
| 843 | It is essentially Russia that is interesting. | 有趣的是俄罗斯。 |
| 844 | Russia is a very rich country. | 俄罗斯是一个非常富有的国家. |
| 845 | Thirty-seven percents of the world's reserves of raw materials | 世界原料储备的37% |
| 846 | are hidden in Russian soil. | 藏在俄国的土地上 |
| 847 | If the West were to win in Ukraine, it would be Russia's defeat, | 如果西方在乌克兰获胜 那将是俄国的失败 |
| 848 | and gradually but quite quickly, Russian raw materials would enter | 慢慢的,但很快的,俄罗斯的原料会进入 |
| 849 | Western commercial circulation through the Washington Consensus rules | 通过华盛顿共识规则的西方商业流通 |
| 850 | and enrich the West. | 并丰富西方. |
| 851 | Russia is the West's greatest military competitor. | 俄罗斯是西方最伟大的军事竞争对手. |
| 852 | At the Munich Security Conference in February of this year, | 在今年2月慕尼黑安全会议上 |
| 853 | U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio said | 美国国务卿马可·鲁比奥说: |
| 854 | the West had been expanding geographically for 500 years, | 西方在地理上扩张了500年 |
| 855 | but since World War II, it has been shrinking geographically. | 但自二战以来 它的地理范围一直在缩小 |
| 856 | Yes, and at the same time since World War II, | 是的,与此同时,二战以来, |
| 857 | Russia, under the name of the Soviet Union, | 俄罗斯,以苏联的名义, |
| 858 | has returned to the world stage as a great power. | 回到了世界舞台上 成为一个伟大的力量。 |
| 859 | What is the connection between the two phenomena, | 这两个现象之间有什么联系? |
| 860 | the expansion and the contraction of the West? | 西方的扩张和收缩? |
| 861 | In expansion, the West had no equal opponent. | 在扩张中,西方没有平等的对手. |
| 862 | In contraction, it has, Russia. | 在收缩中,它是,俄罗斯。 |
| 863 | Speaking in Oxford, the United Kingdom has played a major role | 联合王国在牛津发言,发挥了重要作用。 |
| 864 | in both the extraction and contraction of the West. | 在西方的提取和收缩中 |
| 865 | India became and ceased to be a British colony | 印度成为并不再是英国殖民地 |
| 866 | and went on as an independent state, now an atomic power. | 并且继续作为一个独立国家, 现在是一个原子大国。 |
| 867 | Several British colonies in Africa and other parts of the world | 在非洲和世界其他地区的几个英国殖民地 |
| 868 | also ceased to be British colonies and became independent. | 也不再是英国殖民地,独立了. |
| 869 | Note that I do not use the expression | 请注意,我不使用表达式 |
| 870 | they have freed themselves from colonial rule, | 他们已摆脱殖民统治, |
| 871 | but they are no longer part of the global West, | 但他们不再是全球西部的一部分, |
| 872 | rather are moving closer to the BRICS organization. | 更接近金砖国家组织 |
| 873 | Russia has contributed greatly to the change in their position. | 俄罗斯为改变他们的立场作出了巨大贡献。 |
| 874 | Mao Zedong won the civil war in China | 毛泽东在中国内战中获胜 |
| 875 | with the direct support of the Soviet Union. | 在苏联的直接支持下. |
| 876 | In some former colonies in Africa, guerrilla warfare | 在非洲一些前殖民地,游击战 |
| 877 | was ongoing before the change of status, | 在地位改变之前, |
| 878 | and the guerrillas received weapons and political support | 游击队得到了武器和政治支持 |
| 879 | either directly or indirectly from Russia or through Cuba. | 直接或间接地从俄罗斯或通过古巴。 |
| 880 | The latest example is the military coup in Niger in 2023. | 最新的例子是2023年尼日尔的军事政变. |
| 881 | The coup tore Niger, rich in uranium ore, | 政变撕毁了尼日尔,富含铀矿石, |
| 882 | out of the Association of African Francophone States. | 非洲法语国家联盟成员。 |
| 883 | When these states sent the new government in near May | 当这些州在五月附近 派出新政府 |
| 884 | an ultimatum to return the ousted president to the office | 将被罢免的总统送回办公室的最后通牒 |
| 885 | and threatened military intervention, | 并威胁军事干预, |
| 886 | the Russian private Wagner army arrived in Niger | 俄国士兵瓦格纳军队抵达尼日尔 |
| 887 | and the ultimatum was nullified. | 最后通牒无效 |
| 888 | The French military base in Niger was closed, | 法国在尼日尔的军事基地被关闭, |
| 889 | uranium for French nuclear power plants became more expensive, | 法国核电厂的铀更贵了 |
| 890 | and the French HDP deficit rose. | 法国HDP赤字上升。 |
| 891 | Russia does not feel morally obliged | 俄罗斯没有道德责任 |
| 892 | not to support the resistance of former colonies | 不支持前殖民地的抵抗 |
| 893 | against their mother countries. | 对抗他们的祖国 |
| 894 | Why? | 为什么? |
| 895 | War operations in Europe were not yet over | 欧洲的战争行动尚未结束 |
| 896 | and Winston Churchill, the name you know, | 温斯顿 丘吉尔,你知道的名字, |
| 897 | had already given the order to develop an attack on Russia, | 已经下令对俄国发动进攻 |
| 898 | the Soviet Union, under the code name Operation Unthinkable. | 苏联,代号为"无法思考的行动". |
| 899 | Preparations were only close to when Russia, the Soviet Union, | 当俄国,苏联, |
| 900 | developed its own atomic bomb. | 研制了自己的原子弹 |
| 901 | The West did not keep its promise not to expand NATO to the East. | 西方没有信守不将北约扩展到东方的承诺. |
| 902 | The US began building a military base in Ochakovo on the Black Sea | 美国开始在黑海的奥恰科沃建立军事基地 |
| 903 | long before the start of Russian military operations in Ukraine. | 早在俄罗斯在乌克兰的军事行动开始之前 |
| 904 | For comparison, the Solomon Islands in the Pacific | 相比之下,太平洋的所罗门群岛 |
| 905 | signed a security agreement with China in 2022. | 2022年与中国签订安全协议. |
| 906 | The US Deputy Secretary of Defense did not rule out | 美国副国防部长没有排除 |
| 907 | a US military attack on the Solomon Islands | 美国对所罗门群岛的军事攻击 |
| 908 | if China began building a military base on the islands. | 如果中国开始在群岛上建立军事基地 |
| 909 | The US may, Russia may not. | 美国可能,俄罗斯可能不会。 |
| 910 | In the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, Ukraine renounced nuclear weapons, | 在1994年布达佩斯备忘录中,乌克兰放弃了核武器, |
| 911 | but its neutrality was enshrined in its constitution. | 但是,它的中立性被载入了宪法。 |
| 912 | In 2008, the US had already proposed Ukraine's membership in NATO | 2008年,美国已经提议乌克兰加入北约。 |
| 913 | with its consent, and in 2014, Ukraine abolished its neutrality | 2014年,乌克兰废除中立。 |
| 914 | in the constitution and applied for NATO membership. | 并申请加入北约。 |
| 915 | In March 2022, Ukraine agreed with Russia to end the fighting, | 2022年3月,乌克兰与俄罗斯同意结束战斗, |
| 916 | but your Prime Minister Boris Johnson immediately flew to Kiev | 但你们的总理鲍里斯·约翰逊 立刻飞往基辅 |
| 917 | and pressured President Zelensky to tear up the agreement. | 迫使泽连斯基总统撕毁协议 |
| 918 | In 2015, Ukraine and the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics | 2015年,乌克兰与顿涅茨克共和国和卢甘斯克共和国 |
| 919 | signed in Minsk a ceasefire agreement | 在明斯克签署停火协议 |
| 920 | under the guarantees of Poland, Germany and France. | 在波兰、德国和法国的担保下。 |
| 921 | Ukraine later did not comply with the agreement | 乌克兰后来没有遵守协定。 |
| 922 | and Angela Merkel said that the agreement was signed | 安吉拉·默克尔说协议已经签署 |
| 923 | only to give Ukraine time to arm itself. | 只有给乌克兰时间武装自己 |
| 924 | Belgian General Frederick Vansina recently declared | 比利时将军弗雷德里克·范西纳最近宣布 |
| 925 | that Ukraine must fight for three more years, | 乌克兰必须再战斗三年, |
| 926 | meaning Ukrainian men must die for three more years | 意思是乌克兰人必须再死三年 |
| 927 | in order for Europe to prepare for war with Russia. | 为了让欧洲准备与俄国开战 |
| 928 | Is it enough, these reasons? | 足够了吗,这些原因? |
| 929 | According to power criterion, if war breaks out between Russia and Europe, | 根据权力标准 如果俄罗斯和欧洲之间爆发战争 |
| 930 | it will be a nuclear one. | 它将是一个核。 |
| 931 | Russia will also suffer, but European cities will be destroyed. | 俄罗斯也会受苦受难,但欧洲城市也会被摧毁. |
| 932 | In Russian TV discussions, if war breaks out, | 在俄罗斯电视台的讨论中 如果战争爆发 |
| 933 | the Baltic countries are listed as the primary targets, | 波罗的海国家被列为主要目标, |
| 934 | followed by Great Britain and Germany. | 之后是英国和德国。 |
| 935 | Europe does not have the means to defend its cities. | 欧洲没有保卫其城市的手段。 |
| 936 | It is now doubtful whether the US would honour its NATO commitments to defend Europe. | 现在人们怀疑美国是否会履行北约保卫欧洲的承诺。 |
| 937 | If so, Russia would suffer more, | 如果是这样,俄罗斯会遭受更多的痛苦, |
| 938 | but some American cities with a population of millions | 但有些美国城市 人口数百万 |
| 939 | would cease to exist. | 将不复存在。 |
| 940 | If I were British, I would answer the question posed in this debate by no. | 如果我是英国人,我将不回答本次辩论中提出的问题。 |
| 941 | Thank you for your attention. | 谢谢你的注意。 |
| 942 | Thank you for your speech. | 谢谢你的演讲 |
| 943 | I now call to close the case for side proposition on Ambassador Daniel Fried. | 我现在要求结束对丹尼尔·弗里德大使的附带主张。 |
| 944 | What a lively discussion we've been having. | 我们讨论得真热烈 |
| 945 | The opponents of the proposition have one strong advantage. | 主张的反对者有一个很强的优势. |
| 946 | War with Russia could indeed mean general nuclear war, | 与俄罗斯的战争确实可以指: 全面核战争, |
| 947 | a civilisation ending catastrophe. | 一个文明结束灾难。 |
| 948 | What interest, therefore, do any of our countries have | 因此,我们当中的任何一个国家有什么兴趣? |
| 949 | that could stand against such a prospect? | 与这种前景背道而驰? |
| 950 | And yet, the US, UK and our allies have lived with this dilemma for generations. | 然而,美国,英国和我们的盟友几代人一直生活在这种困境中. |
| 951 | NATO was created the year that the Soviet Union became a nuclear power. | 北约创建于苏联成为核大国的那一年. |
| 952 | Nevertheless, despite that, all NATO allies pledged that an attack on one of them | 然而,尽管如此,所有北约盟国都保证要攻击其中之一 |
| 953 | would be considered an attack on all. | 将被视为对所有人的攻击。 |
| 954 | Therefore, the US, UK and its allies pledged that we would risk war | 因此,美国,英国及其盟国保证,我们将面临战争的危险. |
| 955 | with a nuclear-armed Soviet Union. | 苏联拥有核武器 |
| 956 | We were prepared to die for Denmark. | 我们准备为丹麦而死 |
| 957 | And of course, we too were nuclear-armed. | 当然,我们也拥有核武器。 |
| 958 | The US from 1960 was also prepared to defend non-NATO member Sweden | 从1960年起美国也准备保卫非北约成员瑞典 |
| 959 | if it were attacked by the Soviet Union. | 如果它受到苏联的攻击。 |
| 960 | In making these commitments, commitments which included the risk of war, | 在作出这些承诺时,包括战争危险, |
| 961 | the allies did not behave recklessly. | 盟国并没有鲁莽行事。 |
| 962 | We stabilised the nuclear standoff with the Soviet Union. | 我们稳定了与苏联的核对峙。 |
| 963 | We checked Soviet advances in Europe while advancing our values of democracy. | 我们检查了苏联在欧洲的进展,同时推进了我们的民主价值观。 |
| 964 | It worked, the pledges held, they kept the peace, | 成功了, 承诺, 他们保持了和平, |
| 965 | they created the conditions for freedom to advance in Central and Eastern Europe. | 它们为中欧和东欧的自由进步创造了条件。 |
| 966 | After the collapse of the Soviet Empire, | 苏联帝国解体后, |
| 967 | in which my old friend Jan Czarnogorski had a hand in 1989, | 在其中 我的老朋友扬·查尔诺戈尔斯基 在1989年有一只手, |
| 968 | allies welcomed newly free Europeans into our family, | 盟国欢迎新自由的欧洲人加入我们的大家庭, |
| 969 | extending to Poland and Czechia and later to Slovakia and Estonia, | 延伸至波兰和捷克,然后延伸至斯洛伐克和爱沙尼亚, |
| 970 | that same pledge to defend them, even at the risk of war with nuclear-armed Russia. | 即使面临与拥有核武器的俄罗斯开战的危险,也要捍卫他们。 |
| 971 | We did not push to expand NATO, the countries of Central Europe pushed to get in. | 我们没有推动北约的扩大,中欧国家被迫进入。 |
| 972 | I am witness personally to how Lech Walesa and Václav Havel | 我亲眼目睹了莱赫·威尔萨和瓦茨拉夫·哈维尔 |
| 973 | pushed, beat up Bill Clinton and warned him, | 击败比尔·克林顿并警告他 |
| 974 | act now when you have the window or you will regret it. | 现在行动,当你有窗口, 否则你会后悔。 |
| 975 | Walesa did it his way, Havel did it another way, Clinton listened. | 威尔萨按他的方式行事,哈维尔按他的方式行事,克林顿听了. |
| 976 | We knew that Russia could return to its bad ways, | 我们知道俄国会回到坏的境地 |
| 977 | and yet Clinton also, in addition to enlarging NATO, | 但克林顿除了扩大北约之外, |
| 978 | stretched out his hand and embraced politically and physically Boris Yeltsin | 伸手拥抱鲍里斯・叶利钦 |
| 979 | and hoped that Russia could find a better future. | 并希望俄罗斯能够找到更美好的未来。 |
| 980 | I don't regret that for a minute, nor do I regret my role. | 我一点也不后悔 也不后悔我的角色 |
| 981 | As Bill Clinton says, that part with Russia didn't work out very well, | 正如比尔·克林顿所说,与俄罗斯的那部分工作并不是很顺利, |
| 982 | but the part with Central Europe certainly did. | 但与中欧有关的那部分的确如此。 |
| 983 | With security, 100 million people from the Baltic to the Black Sea | 从波罗的海到黑海一亿人口 |
| 984 | developed democracy, grew their economies. | 发展民主,发展经济。 |
| 985 | They were poor then, they are no longer poor. | 当时他们贫穷,不再贫穷。 |
| 986 | What is the difference between Denmark, Germany, | 丹麦,德国, |
| 987 | and Germany on the one hand, Poland, Slovakia on the other hand, | 和德国,波兰,斯洛伐克, |
| 988 | and Ukraine today? | 今天是乌克兰吗? |
| 989 | The difference is that we have made a formal treaty | 不同的是,我们达成了一个正式的条约 |
| 990 | to defend these countries and have not done so with respect to Ukraine. | - 保护这些国家,但乌克兰尚未这样做。 |
| 991 | Ukraine is not a member of NATO and it is unlikely to become one soon. | 乌克兰不是北约成员,不可能很快成为北约成员。 |
| 992 | And let us please dispense with the mythology that Russia invaded Ukraine | 让我们放弃俄罗斯入侵乌克兰的神话 |
| 993 | to forestall such an invitation. | 阻止这种邀请。 |
| 994 | None was imminent, none was contemplated, | 没有一个是迫在眉睫的,没有设想的, |
| 995 | and indeed the German Chancellor flew to Moscow in the fall of 2021 | 2021年秋天德国总理飞到莫斯科 |
| 996 | to try to forestall the Russian invasion of Ukraine | 试图阻止俄罗斯入侵乌克兰 |
| 997 | and promised that he would extend the well-known German veto | 并许诺他将延长著名的德国否决权 |
| 998 | of Ukraine's membership in NATO in perpetuity if Russia didn't invade. | 如果俄罗斯不入侵,乌克兰永远加入北约。 |
| 999 | Putin invaded. | 普京入侵. |
| 1000 | The responsibility for that war lies on him. | 战争的责任在于他。 |
| 1001 | He gave the order, he had a choice. | 他下了命令,他有选择 |
| 1002 | There was no imminent threat from Ukraine. | 乌克兰没有迫在眉睫的威胁。 |
| 1003 | He invaded anyway. | 反正他还是入侵了 |
| 1004 | We need not twist ourselves into a pretzel to pretend that it is somehow | 我们不需要自作自受 装作是某事 |
| 1005 | the fault of the United States or Great Britain | 美国或英国的过失 |
| 1006 | for not being nice enough to Vladimir Putin. | 对弗拉基米尔·普京不够好 |
| 1007 | Please, let us dispense with the mythology. | 请让我们放弃神话 |
| 1008 | In its aspirations, Ukraine is no different than Poland. | 在其愿望中,乌克兰与波兰无异. |
| 1009 | It wants a European future. | 它想要一个欧洲的未来。 |
| 1010 | It wants the prosperity that the rule of law and democracy bring. | 它希望法治和民主带来繁荣。 |
| 1011 | None of this can be achieved under the Kremlin domination. | 在克里姆林宫的统治下,这一切都无法实现。 |
| 1012 | The Ukrainians know that because they experienced it. | 乌克兰人知道这一点,因为他们经历过。 |
| 1013 | That is real. | 这是真实的。 |
| 1014 | Point of information? | 信息点? |
| 1015 | You had your chance. | 你有你的机会。 |
| 1016 | That is enough. | 够了 |
| 1017 | Is the defense of Poland, Estonia or Slovakia practical | 波兰、爱沙尼亚或斯洛伐克的辩护是否切合实际? |
| 1018 | while the defense of Ukraine fanciful? | 而乌克兰的防卫却充满幻想。 |
| 1019 | Hardly. | 几乎没有。 |
| 1020 | Ukraine has defended itself with our weapons | 乌克兰用武器自卫 |
| 1021 | but without our direct involvement for four years | 但四年没有我们的直接参与 |
| 1022 | despite the predictions of many in my own government | 尽管我的政府中有很多人预测 |
| 1023 | that it would fall within two weeks. | 两周内就到了 |
| 1024 | The defense of Ukraine is indeed more practical | 乌克兰的防卫确实更实际 |
| 1025 | than I thought of it 15 years ago. | 比我15年前想象的还要多 |
| 1026 | Ukraine's battlefield situation has stabilized. | 乌克兰战场局势稳定. |
| 1027 | Russian advances on land have crawled to a halt. | 俄国在陆地上的进展已经停止。 |
| 1028 | Ukraine is attacking Russian strategic targets | 乌克兰正在攻击俄罗斯的战略目标 |
| 1029 | while Russia is reduced to attacking Ukrainian civilians. | 而俄国则沦为乌克兰平民的攻击 |
| 1030 | You will have your chance, Mr. Hitchens. | 你会有机会的,希钦斯先生 |
| 1031 | I will have my chance. | 我会有我的机会。 |
| 1032 | Do not give anybody else one yourself. | 不要给别人自己一个。 |
| 1033 | You will have your time. | 你会有你的时间。 |
| 1034 | Point of information. | 信息点. |
| 1035 | From the audience, not from you. | 从观众,而不是你。 |
| 1036 | You will have your chance. | 你会有你的机会。 |
| 1037 | Of you, hardly. | 你,几乎没有。 |
| 1038 | I have faced worst opponents in my life. | 我面对过人生中最糟糕的对手 |
| 1039 | Is our support for Ukraine escalatory? | 我们是否支持乌克兰升级? |
| 1040 | We have helped Ukraine with weapons and intelligence | 我们用武器和情报帮助了乌克兰 |
| 1041 | throughout the war. | 整个战争 |
| 1042 | The Kremlin doesn't like it. | 克里姆林宫不喜欢 |
| 1043 | It has used drones, sabotage, assassinations | 它使用无人机,破坏,暗杀 |
| 1044 | and more against Europeans. | 更反对欧洲人。 |
| 1045 | But the escalation, feared by some in the West | 但西方人担心的升级 |
| 1046 | and threatened by some in the Kremlin | 并受到克里姆林宫一些人的威胁 |
| 1047 | like former President Dmitry Vyadov | 像前总统德米特里·维亚多夫 |
| 1048 | who gleefully threatens nuclear war | 冷酷地威胁着核战争 |
| 1049 | against the U.S. and Europe over our support for Ukraine | 反对美国和欧洲 因为我们支持乌克兰 |
| 1050 | has not taken place. | 没有发生。 |
| 1051 | Shall Putin frighten us into abandoning Ukraine? | 普京会吓我们放弃乌克兰吗? |
| 1052 | What would be the consequences? | 会有什么后果? |
| 1053 | In 1938, Britain and France decided not to accept | 1938年,英国和法国决定不接受 |
| 1054 | the risk of war with Germany | 战争的危险 |
| 1055 | and declined to defend Czechoslovakia | 并拒绝保卫捷克斯洛伐克 |
| 1056 | a famous mistake that has haunted the West ever since. | 一个著名的错误 一直困扰着西方 |
| 1057 | Why was Neville Chamberlain | 为什么是内维尔张伯伦 |
| 1058 | indifferent to Czechoslovakia's fate? | 不顾捷克斯洛伐克的命运? |
| 1059 | Perhaps because it did not exist when he came of age. | 也许因为他成年时不存在 |
| 1060 | Perhaps, therefore, Chamberlain did not regard | 也许张伯伦不考虑 |
| 1061 | Czechoslovakia as a real country | 捷克斯洛伐克是一个真正的国家 |
| 1062 | but a silly place with a silly name. | 但却是个有傻名字的蠢地方 |
| 1063 | Today, there are those who seem to regard Ukraine | 今天,有些人似乎认为乌克兰 |
| 1064 | as a silly country, a fake country. | 作为一个愚蠢的国家,一个假的国家。 |
| 1065 | Putin certainly does. | 普京当然知道。 |
| 1066 | And there are those in the West who seem to agree. | 而西方亦有众生似有同意者. |
| 1067 | They look at Ukraine as Neville Chamberlain | 他们把乌克兰看成纳维尔·张伯伦 |
| 1068 | looked at Czechoslovakia in 1938. | 1938年看捷克斯洛伐克. |
| 1069 | A joke country, not worth our time. | 一个笑话国,不值得我们花时间。 |
| 1070 | Our interest in Ukraine's survival | 我们关心乌克兰的生存 |
| 1071 | as an independent country is great. | 作为一个独立国家是伟大的。 |
| 1072 | My colleagues have already explained | 我的同事已经解释过了 |
| 1073 | what will happen if we allow it to fall. | 如果我们让它掉下去 会怎么样? |
| 1074 | When we committed to defend Estonia, | 当我们承诺保卫爱沙尼亚时, |
| 1075 | we accepted the risk of war. | 我们接受了战争的风险。 |
| 1076 | Britain is the lead country of NATO in Estonia. | 英国是北约在爱沙尼亚的领头国. |
| 1077 | If Russia attacks, British troops will be fighting. | 如果俄国发动进攻,英国军队将展开战斗. |
| 1078 | We have, I put to you, in the West | 我们有,我给你,在西方 |
| 1079 | already answered the proposition in the affirmative. | 已经肯定地回答了这个提议。 |
| 1080 | We are helping Ukraine defend itself. | 我们正在帮助乌克兰自卫。 |
| 1081 | We are doing so right now in the face of Russian threats. | 面对俄罗斯的威胁,我们正在这样做。 |
| 1082 | The question is, will we retreat from that commitment? | 问题是,我们是否会从这一承诺中退缩? |
| 1083 | My own government could behave with much greater consistency | 我自己的政府可以更加一致 |
| 1084 | toward Ukraine, I hope it does, | 对乌克兰,我希望它这样做, |
| 1085 | but that happily is not the question before us. | 但这不是我们面前的问题 |
| 1086 | The question before us is whether we should back the Ukrainians | 我们面前的问题是我们是否应该支持乌克兰人 |
| 1087 | as they fight for their own freedom. | 他们为自己的自由而战 |
| 1088 | Let us recall our own strength and the strength of the Ukrainians | 让我们回顾一下我们自己的力量和乌克兰人的力量 |
| 1089 | who are fighting right now to defend themselves. | 他们现在正为保卫自己而战 |
| 1090 | We found a wise way during the Cold War | 我们在冷战期间找到了一个明智的方法 |
| 1091 | to accept the risk and manage our relations with the Soviet Union | 接受风险并管理我们与苏联的关系 |
| 1092 | and not retreat in the face of Soviet pressure. | 而不是在苏联的压力下撤退 |
| 1093 | Will we do less now when our interests and our values align to demand it? | 如果我们的利益和价值观一致要求这样做,我们现在会少做吗? |
| 1094 | Principle and prudence are not at odds | 原则与谨慎并不矛盾 |
| 1095 | if principle is pursued with wisdom and tenacity. | 如果以智慧和坚韧的精神奉行原则的话。 |
| 1096 | To abandon Ukraine or allow Kremlin threats to paralyze us | 放弃乌克兰或让克里姆林宫的威胁 使我们瘫痪 |
| 1097 | would reflect neither principle nor prudence but shallow fear. | 既不反映原则,也不反映谨慎,而是反映浅浅的恐惧。 |
| 1098 | To follow that course would bring greater losses to come. | 沿着这条路走下去将带来更大的损失。 |
| 1099 | We can and must find wisdom, strength, and prudence and confidence, | 我们可以而且必须找到智慧、力量、谨慎和信心, |
| 1100 | each in proper measure, for Ukraine's freedom and our own. | 为了乌克兰的自由和我们自己的自由 |
| 1101 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 1102 | Thank you, Ambassador, for that speech. | 感谢大使的发言。 |
| 1103 | I now call upon, for closing the argument on side opposition, Mr. Peter Hitchens. | 我现在请彼得·希钦斯先生结束反对意见。 |
| 1104 | Good evening. | 边 |
| 1105 | Thank you, Madam President. | 谢谢你,主席女士。 |
| 1106 | As we are here talking about death and death in very large numbers, | 当我们在这里谈论大量死亡和死亡, |
| 1107 | I shall begin with prayer, which is this. | 我首先要祈祷,这就是这个。 |
| 1108 | May God be in my head and in my understanding. | 愿上帝在我脑海和理解中 |
| 1109 | May God be in my heart and in my thinking. | 愿神通于我心及思惟中. |
| 1110 | May God be in my mouth and in my speaking and also in my ears and in my hearing | 愿上帝在我嘴里 在我的演讲中 也在我的耳朵里 |
| 1111 | so that I listen to what the other side is saying as they do not listen to us. | 以便我听从对方所说的话,因为他们不听我们的话。 |
| 1112 | The first time I ever saw what a human head looks like | 我第一次看到人头的样子 |
| 1113 | after a bullet has passed through it was on a January night in Vilnius, in Lithuania, | 子弹穿过后 1月晚上在立陶宛维尔纽斯 |
| 1114 | when, as a reporter, I witnessed a KGB Alpha Group launching an attack | 作为一名记者,我目睹了克格勃阿尔法集团发动攻击 |
| 1115 | upon an unarmed crowd of pro-independence Lithuanians. | 在一群支持独立的立陶宛人手中。 |
| 1116 | I cannot tell you now how furious and miserable I was at this site | 我现在不能告诉你我在这个地方有多愤怒和痛苦 |
| 1117 | or how impressed I was at the courage of the Ukrainians, | 或者我对乌克兰人的勇气印象深刻 |
| 1118 | who while I lay down in the snow as the bullets whizzed around, | 当我在雪中躺下,当子弹飞来飞去, |
| 1119 | stood up to this attack. | 反抗这次攻击 |
| 1120 | I'd seen them earlier in the day standing up directly to Soviet Army troops. | 我早些时候见过他们直接站在苏联军队面前 |
| 1121 | If anybody in this room cares to accuse me of being a Russian apologist, | 如果这间屋子里有人想指责我是个俄罗斯的道歉者 |
| 1122 | I'll see you outside and we can discuss it in detail there. | 我们在外面见 我们可以在那里详细讨论 |
| 1123 | But it is not true. | 但事实并非如此。 |
| 1124 | For several months after that, while I was living in Moscow, | 几个月后 当我住在莫斯科的时候 |
| 1125 | I could barely speak to my Russian colleagues and acquaintances. | 我几乎无法与我的俄罗斯同事和熟人交谈。 |
| 1126 | I was so furious at this event. | 我对这件事非常愤怒 |
| 1127 | It is revolting what the Soviet Union did in those times and in those days. | 这正使苏联在那些时代和那些时候的所作所为令人反感。 |
| 1128 | But the other thing is this. | 但另一件事就是这个 |
| 1129 | The following August, I had a chance to recover from it | 接下来的8月,我有机会从中恢复过来 |
| 1130 | because in August of 1991, that horrible, vicious, unspeakable, | 因为1991年8月 那可怕的,恶毒的,无法形容的, |
| 1131 | evil regime fell and fell for good. | 邪恶政权倒下,为善而倒下。 |
| 1132 | I watched the Soviet Communist Party membership cards being burnt | 我看见苏联共产党党员卡被烧了 |
| 1133 | in every little bit in central Moscow. | 在莫斯科市中心每一点点。 |
| 1134 | I went down to Sevastopol and saw the Soviet Navy, | 我去了塞瓦斯托波尔 看到苏联海军 |
| 1135 | which had been designed to dominate the world, | 是用来支配世界的, |
| 1136 | scuttled and sunk in the creeks and inlets around that city. | 在小溪和城市周围的洞穴里 被凿碎沉没 |
| 1137 | I knew it was over. | 我知道一切都结束了。 |
| 1138 | And I have to tell you that in the time that followed, | 我必须告诉你 在接下来的时间内 |
| 1139 | I became very hopeful that just possibly the great nation of Russia | 我对俄罗斯的伟大国家充满希望 |
| 1140 | and its people would rise again out of this and become, as Poland has become, | 波兰人民将再次从中崛起,成为波兰人民, |
| 1141 | very remarkably, having been reduced in many ways | 非常引人注目的是,在许多方面都减少了 |
| 1142 | to a similar level of servitude and brutality by Soviet rule | 苏联统治下的类似程度的奴役和残暴行为 |
| 1143 | as Poland could become prosperous and free and governed by law. | 波兰可以变得繁荣、自由、受法律管辖。 |
| 1144 | And I've had to watch since then, and I'd left Moscow long ago, | 从那时起我就不得不看 很久以前我就离开了莫斯科 |
| 1145 | but I've had to watch since then, fools, | 但我从那时起就不得不看,傻瓜 |
| 1146 | absolute fools on the western side of the world, | 绝对的傻瓜在世界西部, |
| 1147 | throwing away what was probably the best opportunity | 丢掉可能是最好的机会 |
| 1148 | for European peace and permanent prosperity there has been in centuries | 欧洲和平与永久繁荣 数百年来 |
| 1149 | by making an enemy out of Russia when they had no need to do so. | 将敌人赶出俄国 因为他们不需要这么做 |
| 1150 | I'm not speaking about this on my own. | 我不是说这个我自己。 |
| 1151 | I stand on the shoulders, particularly of George Kennan, | 我站在肩膀上 尤其是乔治·肯南 |
| 1152 | the greatest diplomat of the 20th century, the master of the Cold War, | 20世纪最伟大的外交官, 冷战的主人, |
| 1153 | the man who achieved the defeat of the Soviet Union | 成就苏联失败的人 |
| 1154 | through the policy of containment, who came out of retirement | 通过遏制政策, 谁是退休出来的 |
| 1155 | when the crazy policy of NATO expansion was brought forward by Bill Clinton, | 当比尔·克林顿提出北约扩张的疯狂政策时, |
| 1156 | that shallow man, and approved without thought by a trivial Senate | 那个浅薄的男人, 未经考虑就被参议院批准 |
| 1157 | which paid almost no attention to any serious arguments | 几乎不注意任何严重的论点 |
| 1158 | but which had in fact been littered with money by arms manufacturers. | 但事实上军火制造商把钱都扔了 |
| 1159 | This is true. | 这是真的。 |
| 1160 | This doesn't come from some left-wing rag. | 这不是从一些左翼布。 |
| 1161 | The New York Times investigated that vote, | 《纽约时报》调查了投票 |
| 1162 | and they found that arms manufacturers had spent 51 million pounds | 他们发现军火制造商花了5100万英镑 |
| 1163 | trying to influence the Senate on the vote to allow the expansion of NATO. | 试图影响参议院表决 允许北约扩张 |
| 1164 | Just so you know, the dismal level of the debate that was taking place. | 只是让你知道 这场辩论的阴暗程度 |
| 1165 | This happened. | 事情就这样发生了 |
| 1166 | Intelligent, wise people on our side said, do not do this. | 我们这边的聪明人说,不要这样做。 |
| 1167 | It will lead to a new Cold War. | 这将导致新的冷战。 |
| 1168 | It will lead to a conflict. | 这将导致冲突。 |
| 1169 | These people are not our enemies. | 这些人不是我们的敌人。 |
| 1170 | These Russians are Democrats and free people who've overthrown the tyranny. | 这些俄国人是民主党人,是推翻暴政的自由人. |
| 1171 | Why do we make an enemy of them? | 为什么我们要把他们当敌人? |
| 1172 | But the United States pursued that policy. | 但美国奉行这一政策。 |
| 1173 | And then we all like to say, yes, we love Russian liberals, Russian Democrats. | 然后我们都喜欢说,是的,我们喜欢俄罗斯的自由主义者,俄罗斯民主党人. |
| 1174 | Well, here's one, Yegor Gaidar, one of the principal Democratic Russians. | 这个是叶戈尔・盖达尔 主要的俄国民主党人之一 |
| 1175 | He went round all his friends in all the NATO embassies in Moscow begging them, | 他在莫斯科的北约大使馆里 到处找朋友求他们 |
| 1176 | saying, why is this? | 为什么? |
| 1177 | What is this that you're doing? | 你在干吗? |
| 1178 | Expanding NATO, driving a military alliance ever eastwards | 扩大北约,推动军事联盟向东发展 |
| 1179 | into a position where it will lead to conflict, and nobody paid any attention. | 进入将导致冲突的地位,没有人注意。 |
| 1180 | And then the great hero of our time, the most brilliant diplomatist of our generation, | 然后我们这个时代的伟大英雄,我们这一代最辉煌的外交家, |
| 1181 | George W. Bush, the architect of the Iraq War. | 伊拉克战争建筑师乔治·W·布什(George W. |
| 1182 | He went to Bucharest to the NATO summit in 2008, | 2008年赴布加勒斯特参加北约峰会. |
| 1183 | a year after Vladimir Putin had gone to Munich and said, what is this expansion for? | 弗拉基米尔·普京去慕尼黑一年后说,这次扩张是为了什么? |
| 1184 | What are you doing? | 你在干吗? |
| 1185 | Who is the enemy? | 谁是敌人? |
| 1186 | And what did George W. Bush do? | 乔治·W·布什做了什么? |
| 1187 | He said, we're going to expand NATO into Ukraine, | 他说我们要把北约扩展到乌克兰 |
| 1188 | although he had been advised by his own ambassador in Moscow | 虽然他在莫斯科的大使建议 |
| 1189 | and a future CIA chief not to do this. | 和未来的CIA负责人 不要这样做。 |
| 1190 | He browbeats Angela Merkel of the Federal Republic of Germany | 他浏览了德意志联邦共和国的安吉拉·默克尔 |
| 1191 | into supporting this political initiative. | 支持这一政治举措。 |
| 1192 | And lo and behold, conflict and bitterness spread into Ukraine. | 冲突与怨恨正蔓延到乌克兰。 |
| 1193 | Now, when I was in Moscow in the time of the fall of the Soviet Union, | 现在,当我在莫斯科 在苏联沦陷的时候, |
| 1194 | of course I traveled down to Ukraine. | 我当然去了乌克兰 |
| 1195 | And you could see perfectly well that here was a country full of people | 你可以清楚地看到 这里是一个充满人的国家 |
| 1196 | who longed to be free of Soviet power and were very glad to have it out of their lives. | 他们渴望摆脱苏联的势力,并且非常高兴地摆脱了这种势力。 |
| 1197 | And for many, many years after this, it was a reasonably happy, | 在那之后的很多年里 一直很快乐 |
| 1198 | reasonably prosperous, reasonably peaceful country. | 相当繁荣,相当和平的国家。 |
| 1199 | But once the NATO expansion spread towards it, | 但一旦北约的扩张向它扩散 |
| 1200 | once the idea became clear that it was to be used as a battering ram | 一旦这个想法变得清晰, 它会被用作击打公羊 |
| 1201 | in some strange plan to create hostility when none existed, | 在一个奇怪的计划 制造敌意 当不存在, |
| 1202 | Ukraine began to divide between its east and its west, | 乌克兰开始分裂其东部和西部, |
| 1203 | between those in Ukraine who were fervent nationalists | 在乌克兰的民族主义者之间 |
| 1204 | of the old western school and the people in the east | 西部老学校 和东部人民 |
| 1205 | who were more sympathetic to a close relation with Russia. | 他们更同情与俄罗斯的密切关系。 |
| 1206 | And then there was an election in which a president, Viktor Yanukovych, was elected. | 随后进行了选举,选举了维克多·亚努科维奇为总统. |
| 1207 | And nobody disputes the results of this election. | 没有人质疑这次选举的结果。 |
| 1208 | And that president was the one given the moment of decision. | 总统是决定的时刻 |
| 1209 | The European Union came and said, we're offering you an association agreement. | 欧洲联盟来说,我们向你提供一份结盟协议。 |
| 1210 | And he said, actually, no, thank you. | 他说,实际上,不,谢谢你。 |
| 1211 | It's not good enough. | 其功未尽. |
| 1212 | It will threaten the people in the east who voted for me. | 这将威胁投我票的东部人民. |
| 1213 | He wouldn't accept it. | 他不会接受的 |
| 1214 | What happened to him? | 他发生了什么事? |
| 1215 | Do you know? | 你知道吗? |
| 1216 | You probably don't. | 你可能不会 |
| 1217 | He was overthrown by an armed mob in one of the most disgraceful | 他被一个最可耻的暴徒推翻了 |
| 1218 | undemocratic actions in modern European history. | 现代欧洲历史上的不民主行动. |
| 1219 | People who are rightly furious about Donald Trump's mob | 那些对唐纳德·特朗普的暴徒愤怒的人 |
| 1220 | marching into the US Capitol when he lost the election | 当他输掉选举时,进入美国首都 |
| 1221 | don't even know what happened to Yanukovych. | 连亚努科维奇的事都不知道 |
| 1222 | He was offering, at the time, he was offering early elections. | 他当时提议提前举行选举。 |
| 1223 | And yet the mob overthrew him. | 然而,暴徒推翻了他。 |
| 1224 | The Ukrainian parliament then met, broke all its own constitutional rules, | 乌克兰议会随后开会,打破了自己的宪法规则, |
| 1225 | and removed him. | 然后把他带走了 |
| 1226 | And from then on, Ukraine, instead of being the happy, reasonably prosperous, | 从那时起,乌克兰, 而不是快乐,合理的繁荣, |
| 1227 | contented policy which had been before, | 满足了以前的政策, |
| 1228 | and also the rather strikingly democratic policy in Eastern Europe, | 以及东欧相当引人注目的民主政策, |
| 1229 | ceased to be so and moved towards a civil war. | 不再如此,走向内战。 |
| 1230 | You might think, you might think that any vote you have tonight | 你可能会认为,你可能会认为 你的任何投票今晚 |
| 1231 | won't have any effect. | 不会有任何效果。 |
| 1232 | It won't really not have any effect. | 它不会真的没有任何效果。 |
| 1233 | We are already at war with Russia. | 我们已经和俄国开战了 |
| 1234 | Are you not aware of this? | 你不知道吗? |
| 1235 | Do you not know that Western special forces have been in Ukraine for many years? | 你不知道西方特种部队在乌克兰已经存在多年吗? |
| 1236 | Do you not know the huge piles of weapons which we supply to Ukraine, | 你不知道我们向乌克兰供应的大量武器吗? |
| 1237 | which it couldn't possibly afford on its own account? | 自己买不起吗? |
| 1238 | Do you know that we help them target their missiles on Russia? | 你知道我们帮助他们把导弹瞄准俄罗斯吗? |
| 1239 | Of course you do. | 当然 |
| 1240 | And why is Ukraine being chosen for this particular job? | 为何选择乌克兰从事这一具体工作? |
| 1241 | Precisely, ladies and gentlemen, precisely, Madam President, | 正是 女士们先生们 正是主席女士 |
| 1242 | because Ukraine is not in NATO. | 因为乌克兰不在北约 |
| 1243 | And therefore the war can be pursued without any danger leading to a nuclear conflict. | 因此,战争可以进行,而不会有任何危险导致核冲突。 |
| 1244 | That is what is going on. | 事情就是这样的。 |
| 1245 | The war is happening. | 战争正在发生。 |
| 1246 | And as for losing Ukraine, another small reminiscence if I may, | 至于失去乌克兰 另一个小小的回忆 如果我可以 |
| 1247 | about 20 years ago I went back to Moscow to see what was then the first military parade | 大约20年前,我回到莫斯科看 第一次阅兵是什么 |
| 1248 | of the Russian armed forces since the end of the Soviet Union. | 苏联解体后的俄罗斯武装部队。 |
| 1249 | And I watched it with my old friend Igor Monyshev, | 我和我的老朋友伊戈尔·莫尼舍夫看了 |
| 1250 | whose father had been a Soviet Navy nuclear submarine captain, | 他的父亲曾是苏联海军核潜艇舰长, |
| 1251 | who knew his stuff about military matters. | 谁知道他的东西 关于军事事务。 |
| 1252 | And we watched all this stuff trundling by. | 我们看着这些东西流淌 |
| 1253 | And at the end of it he turns to me and says, | 最后他转向我说 |
| 1254 | what do you think of our display of strategic scrap metal? | 你觉得我们展示的战略废金属怎么样? |
| 1255 | And he was right. | 他说得对 |
| 1256 | The Soviet Union may have been military powerful in its time by its own standards. | 根据自己的标准,苏联在当时可能是军事强国. |
| 1257 | Russia is not a serious conventional military power. | 俄罗斯不是一个严重的常规军事强国。 |
| 1258 | Its one aircraft carrier can't leave port without a tug in case it breaks down | 它的一艘航空母舰没有拖船就无法离开港口 以防它故障 |
| 1259 | and seems to burn vegetable oil to move. | 似乎燃烧植物油以移动。 |
| 1260 | Its Navy is a comical display. | 它的海军是一个漫画性的展示. |
| 1261 | Its army is drunken, ill-disciplined, and frankly disgraceful. | 它的军队醉酒,纪律不严,坦率地说是可耻的. |
| 1262 | And in four years of war it hasn't been able to take Kharkov 20 miles from its border. | 而在四年的战争中,它一直未能将哈尔科夫带离其边境20英里. |
| 1263 | And you think they're going to arrive at Calais. | 你认为他们会到达加来 |
| 1264 | The European NATO states already spend, without any encouragement from Donald Trump, | 欧洲北约国家已经花费了, 没有唐纳德·特朗普的任何鼓励, |
| 1265 | three times as much on armaments as Russia does. | 军备是俄罗斯的三倍 |
| 1266 | And they spend it better and they have better armed forces. | 他们花得更好 而且有更好的武装部队 |
| 1267 | This is an imaginary threat. | 这是一个想象中的威胁。 |
| 1268 | Why are we fighting this war? | 我们为什么要打这场战争? |
| 1269 | We're fighting this war because of a deep desire in certain American foreign policy circles | 我们打这场战争是因为 美国某些外交政策界的强烈愿望 |
| 1270 | to keep Russia down. | 让俄国低调 |
| 1271 | And this is adumbrated in a document called the Wolfowitz Doctrine, | 这在一篇名为"沃尔福威茨理论"的文件中得到了体现, |
| 1272 | which I urge you to look up, | 我敦促你们抬头看看, |
| 1273 | in which the whole idea was put forward that Russia could not be allowed to rise again. | 其中提出了整个想法,即不能允许俄罗斯再次崛起。 |
| 1274 | And this is the perfect expression of it. | 这是它完美的表现。 |
| 1275 | Look, I'm not here to engage in discussions about the virtual vices of Ukraine. | 我不是来讨论乌克兰的虚拟恶习的 |
| 1276 | I'm not here to defend Russia. | 我不是来保卫俄国的 |
| 1277 | I'm actually here as a British patriot, | 我其实是英国爱国者 |
| 1278 | somebody who loves this country and its people and doesn't want it to make a foolish mistake. | 一个热爱这个国家及其人民 不希望它犯愚蠢的错误的人 |
| 1279 | I cannot for the life of me see, | 我不能为我的生活, |
| 1280 | and I speak of someone I have to say whose daughter and son-in-law fought, | 我说的是我不得不说 谁的女儿和女婿打架, |
| 1281 | well, in Afghanistan on the front lines, which Donald Trump said they stayed away from, | 在阿富汗前线 唐纳德·特朗普说他们远离 |
| 1282 | whose father went in the Second World War on convoys to Marmants carrying tanks to Joe Stalin, | 他的父亲在第二次世界大战中 乘车队前往马曼特 运送坦克到乔斯大林, |
| 1283 | which wasn't his favorite activity in life, but it was necessary. | 虽然这不是他一生中最爱的活动 但这是必要的 |
| 1284 | I do come from a part of the country which believes in defense and war where it is necessary, | 我确实来自这个国家的一部分 相信国防和战争是必要的, |
| 1285 | and I will not be told that I'm not. | 我不会被告知我不是。 |
| 1286 | Yes, of course. | 当然 |
| 1287 | North Korean soldiers have traveled 7,000 kilometers from North Korea to Kursk region in Russia, | 朝鲜士兵从朝鲜到俄罗斯的库尔斯克地区 已经走了7000公里 |
| 1288 | just under a year ago. | 刚刚不到一年。 |
| 1289 | Iranian regime has assembled drones and gave them to Russia using Chinese technologies and resources. | 伊朗政权已组装无人机,并利用中国的技术和资源将无人机送给俄罗斯. |
| 1290 | Why do British patriots such as you think that Britain must hide behind Ukrainians | 为什么你们这样的英国爱国者认为英国必须躲在乌克兰人后面? |
| 1291 | back when all authoritarian regimes fight it? | 当所有独裁政权都与之斗争的时候? |
| 1292 | I don't want to hide behind anybody. | 我不想躲在任何人的身后。 |
| 1293 | It's not my war. | 这不是我的战争。 |
| 1294 | I'm not hiding behind anybody. | 我没有躲在任何人的后面。 |
| 1295 | And I think it's extraordinarily rude and unpleasant of you to say that I am | 我认为这是非常无礼和不愉快的你 说我是 |
| 1296 | or that anybody else in this country is hiding behind anything. | 或这个国家的其他人 隐藏在任何东西背后。 |
| 1297 | This country fights when it needs to, and it fights very hard, and it always has done. | 这个国家在有需要的时候会战斗,它会非常艰苦地战斗,它总是这样做的. |
| 1298 | And I would strongly counsel against anybody thinking they could get away with attacking it in future. | 我强烈劝告大家不要以为 将来他们能逃脱攻击 |
| 1299 | So I should keep that kind of sentiment largely to yourself most of the time if I were you. | 所以如果我是你,我大部分时间都应该保持这种情绪 |
| 1300 | So I'm not hiding behind anything. | 所以我没有躲在任何东西后面。 |
| 1301 | I'm saying this is not a conflict in which this country has a stake. | 我说的是,这不是这个国家有利害关系的冲突。 |
| 1302 | It is not a conflict based upon wisdom. | 这不是基于智慧的冲突。 |
| 1303 | It's a conflict based upon a particular view of a particular faction in American foreign policy circles | 这是一场基于美国外交政策圈中某一派别特定观点的冲突 |
| 1304 | into which we have no need to be drawn. | 不需要我们参与其中。 |
| 1305 | And there is no question of Ukraine being overwhelmed by this decrepit power. | 毫无疑问,乌克兰被这种衰落的势力所压倒。 |
| 1306 | It isn't going to happen. | 它不会发生。 |
| 1307 | You're being asked the wrong question. | 你被问错了问题。 |
| 1308 | The question really is whether we should, as a country and as a people, be supporting this sort of diplomacy. | 真正的问题是,我们作为一个国家和作为一个民族,是否应该支持这种外交。 |
| 1309 | You see, many of the people who are now urging you to get more and more engaged in the Ukrainian war | 你看,很多人现在都在敦促你 越来越多地参与乌克兰战争 |
| 1310 | are also the people who support the ridiculous war in Iran, which is destroying the world economy. | 也是支持正在破坏世界经济的伊朗的荒谬战争的人。 |
| 1311 | They are very, very often the same people, and they come from the same stable, and you meet them all the time. | 他们经常是同一个人, 他们来自同一个马厩, 你经常见到他们。 |
| 1312 | War, war, war. | 战争 战争 战争 |
| 1313 | They all want war, but none of them have seen it, and most of them would run from it very, very fast if they did. | 他们都想要战争,但是他们都没有看到过战争,而且他们中的大多数人如果看到战争,就会从战争中跑得非常,非常快. |
| 1314 | And for that reason, not because it will make any difference, but for that reason, | 出于这个原因,不是因为它会有所改变, 而是因为这个原因, |
| 1315 | simply on the grounds of common sense wisdom and not being emotionalized into foolish war making, | 仅仅基于常识智慧 而不是被情感化为愚蠢的战争制造, |
| 1316 | I do strongly suggest, no more than strongly suggest, that you vote against this extremely silly motion. | 我强烈建议你投票反对这个极其愚蠢的动议。 |
| 1317 | Thank you so much. | 非常感谢 |
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