【牛津辩论】西方有理由怀疑伊斯兰教？ 20260731

【牛津辩论】西方有理由怀疑伊斯兰教？ 20260731

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时间	英文	中文
0:02	I'm pleased to open this evening's debate and I'm pleased to call on Mr. Oliver Jones-Lyons	我很高兴今晚的辩论开始 我很高兴请奥利弗·琼斯 -里昂先生
0:08	to open the debate for the proposition.	开始辩论
0:09	Mr. Jones-Lyons.	琼斯 -里昂先生
0:17	Thank you, Mr.	谢谢,先生。
0:17	Chair.	师曰.
0:18	It would be remiss of me not to begin by noting what an honour it is to be speaking today	我不得不首先指出今天的演讲是多么荣幸
0:24	in what will ultimately prove to be one of those historic debates that shows why this	最终将证明是那些历史性的辩论之一 表明为什么
0:29	place matters.	地点问题。
0:31	Despite external pressure, internal pressure, political machinations and every type of motion	尽管外部压力,内部压力,政治阴谋和各种运动
0:38	under the sun, this House votes clearly and decisively two weeks in a row to have this	在阳光下,本院连续两周明确而果断地投票 来拥有这个

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1	I'm pleased to open this evening's debate and I'm pleased to call on Mr. Oliver Jones-Lyons	我很高兴今晚的辩论开始 我很高兴请奥利弗·琼斯 -里昂先生
2	to open the debate for the proposition.	开始辩论
3	Mr. Jones-Lyons.	琼斯 -里昂先生
4	Thank you, Mr.	谢谢,先生。
5	Chair.	师曰.
6	It would be remiss of me not to begin by noting what an honour it is to be speaking today	我不得不首先指出今天的演讲是多么荣幸
7	in what will ultimately prove to be one of those historic debates that shows why this	最终将证明是那些历史性的辩论之一 表明为什么
8	place matters.	地点问题。
9	Despite external pressure, internal pressure, political machinations and every type of motion	尽管外部压力,内部压力,政治阴谋和各种运动
10	under the sun, this House votes clearly and decisively two weeks in a row to have this	在阳光下,本院连续两周明确而果断地投票 来拥有这个
11	debate and live up to this society's name of being the last bastion of free speech.	并遵守这个社会的名字, 成为言论自由的最后堡垒。
12	We are here tonight because that principle matters and this motion matters.	我们今晚在这里 是因为那个原则很重要 而这个动议也很重要
13	I rise to propose the motion that this House believes the West is right to be suspicious	我提出这个动议 认为西方是可疑的
14	of Islam.	联合国
15	The rise of Islam in the West has been the most notable and significant demographic change	伊斯兰教在西方的兴起是最显著和最显著的人口变化
16	in the West over the course of the last few decades.	在过去几十年里,在西方。
17	Its effects, both positive and negative, are well known, but if we are fully honest with	其积极和消极的影响是众所周知的,但如果我们完全诚实于
18	ourselves, it is certainly not a secret that the West is in fact suspicious of Islam.	我们自己,西方事实上怀疑伊斯兰教当然不是一个秘密。
19	Tonight, the proposition will not cower away from the issue being debated here.	今晚,这个提议不会回避这里辩论的问题。
20	It is not whether the enlightened West should be suspicious of every religion.	开明的西方是否应该怀疑每个宗教,这不是问题。
21	It's about Islam.	论伊斯兰教.
22	The burden for side proposition will be to prove the good reason exists to find uniquely	侧面提议的负担是证明存在 找到独一无二的理由
23	justifiable reasons to be suspicious in the religion of Islam.	有理由怀疑伊斯兰教。
24	It is my belief those good reasons exist.	我认为,这些理由确实存在。
25	It is my hope that this debate won't descend into being a series of increasingly technical	我希望这场辩论不会变成 一系列越来越技术性的
26	theological gotchas nor the slinging round of anecdotes.	神学界的人和传闻家的人
27	This debate, if it is to be honest, will examine how Muslims actually live their lives in accordance	这场辩论,如果它是诚实的,将审查穆斯林如何按照
28	with their beliefs and the teachings of their faith in its leaders.	他们的信仰和教导 他们相信它的领袖。
29	Members of the House, I will set out during my speech the incompatibility of Islam with	众议员,我将在我的演讲中阐明伊斯兰教与
30	the values of religious tolerance and pluralism that underpin our society.	宗教容忍和多元主义的价值观是我们社会的基础。
31	I will then set out how Islam is more widely irreconcilable with the fundamental principles	然后,我将阐述伊斯兰教如何更广泛地与基本原则不可调和。
32	of Western liberal democratic society, and I will end with a call to action.	最后我要呼吁采取行动。
33	This discussion should not be as fraught or as, well frankly you can hear it, as protested	这场讨论不应该像人们所抗议的那样繁琐,或者坦率地说,你可以听到它。
34	as it has been, and fundamentally the West must move back to its fundamentally liberal	根本上,西方必须回归自由主义
35	roots and accept that no culture, no religion, no belief may not be subject to the scrutiny	承认任何文化、宗教、信仰都不能受到审查
36	of reason and virtue.	理性与美德。
37	But with all that Mr Chair, it is my obligation to introduce the speakers on-site opposition	但是,主席先生,我有义务介绍现场的反对者。
38	to this Honourable House.	至於这尊贵的房屋,
39	In the Union we have a tradition of introducing the opposition speakers via roast, given however	在联盟中,我们有一个传统,通过烤肉介绍反对派的演讲者,然而,鉴于
40	it is the last week of term and I'm feeling in a very, unlike the protestors tonight,	这是最后一个星期的学期 我感到非常, 不像今晚的抗议者,
41	constructive mood, I thought I'd say some thank yous.	我想说一些谢谢你们。
42	Firstly you will hear from Ayesha Khan Aziz, the Union's Chief Negotiations Officer.	首先,你会听到阿耶沙·汗·阿齐兹, 工会首席谈判官。
43	I'd like to thank Ayesha for all her work on this debate.	我要感谢阿耶莎在这场辩论上所做的一切工作.
44	She seems to have an extensive amount of contacts in the global Muslim community and some very	她似乎在全球穆斯林社区有着广泛的联系,一些穆斯林社区也有着广泛的联系。
45	entertaining anecdotes about every niche Muslim celebrity.	娱乐着每个穆斯林名人的故事
46	However, the way Ayesha could be more helpful to any future president she may serve is perhaps	然而,阿耶沙对将来任总统更有帮助的方式也许是
47	by improving her matchmaking skills by finding them a, and I must emphasise, quote, snuggle	通过提高她的配对能力 找到她们 我必须强调 引用 抚摸
48	buddy who will dedicate eight weeks to jettisoning their partner's biggest debate.	将花八周时间 放弃伙伴的最大辩论
49	Next up will be Michael Doward.	接下来是迈克尔・多沃德。
50	Michael is a podcaster from Luton.	迈克尔是卢顿的球员
51	I'd like to thank Mr Doward for being willing to speak in this debate despite all the difficulties	感谢多沃德先生 尽管困难重重 但仍愿意在这次辩论中发言
52	and pressures many speakers on this side have faced.	和压力... ... ......
53	I also hear, though, despite both supporting Luton town, that Mr Doward may not exactly	我也听说,虽然都支持卢顿镇 但多沃德先生可能并不完全
54	share many other views with his fellow hatter on the side proposition.	与他的同僚们分享许多其他观点。
55	Then you will hear from Sir Rhys Mogg, Sir Jacob, I was corrected outside.	然后从Rhys Mogg爵士那里听到 Jacob爵士 我在外面被纠正了
56	I'd like to thank Sir Jacob for being a tireless defender of both this debate and freedom of speech.	感谢雅各爵士 作为这场辩论和言论自由的不懈捍卫者
57	My biggest concern, having heard Sir Jacob in my first debate as a fresher, was that	我在第一次辩论时听到雅各爵士的声音 我最关心的是
58	he was debating on side opposition and that he'd decide to go woke.	他正在辩论 一边反对 他决定去醒来。
59	But then I realised there is nothing woke about defending the right of all peoples to	但后来我意识到 捍卫所有人的权利 并没有什么能被唤醒的
60	practice ultra conservative values that should have been left in the 19th century.	实践19世纪应该留下的极端保守的价值观。
61	Something Sir Jacob is famously familiar with.	雅各布爵士很熟悉的东西
62	Next up will be Abdul Al-Andalusi.	接下来是阿卜杜勒·安达卢西.
63	Much like many of the faces on side proposition, Mr Al-Andalusi has been a vocal defender of	与许多侧面的面孔一样,安达卢西先生一直声张地捍卫
64	the President's decision to have this debate and I want to be absolutely clear that having	总统决定举行这次辩论 我想绝对清楚的是
65	the balls to defend your faith and put it up to scrutiny is something that I can literally	捍卫你信仰的胆量 并接受审查 我从字面上看可以
66	only have the most respect for.	只有最受尊重。
67	However, I was a bit confused when I heard that Mr Al-Andalusi is so popular in the Muslim	但我听说安达卢西先生 在穆斯林中很受欢迎
68	community for being its answer to, I hate to say I'm quoting Muslim committee members	我不愿说,我引用穆斯林委员会成员的话
69	here, who is the Muslim Tommy Robinson.	这里,谁是穆斯林汤米罗宾逊。
70	And finally you will hear from our President, Alwaa Reyes.	最后,我们将听取我国总统阿尔瓦·雷耶斯的发言。
71	Most of my job this term has been what we have began colloquially referring to as Alwaa	我的工作大部分是这个任期 我们开始讨论 所谓的Alwaa
72	Glazing.	闪闪发光
73	But I'll do it again one last time.	但我会再做最后一次。
74	Alwaa has faced so much grief for having this important discussion, including most especially	阿尔瓦亚在进行这次重要讨论,包括最特别的一次讨论时,面对着这么多的悲痛。
75	from her own community.	她自己的社区。
76	The bravery and courage she has exhibited to stay steadfast in the face of all from	她所表现出的勇敢和勇气 将坚韧地面对所有人
77	every hourly press request to every daily smear campaign to every weekly motion challenging	每个小时的媒体要求 每一天的抹黑运动 每一次每周的运动挑战
78	her authority and her decisions exemplifies exactly what this institution is about.	她的权威和决定恰恰说明了这个机构的目的。
79	I hate to say she's not getting off that easy.	我不想说她没那么容易下台
80	If nothing else, if her desired career as a Green Member of Parliament fails, I'm sure	如果没别的事的话,如果她想要的绿色议员生涯失败,我肯定
81	after her term she'll enjoy a safe backstop in Reform UK.	任期结束后,她将在英国改革组织享受安全后援。
82	Mr Chair, Madam President, these are your guests and they are most welcome.	主席先生,主席女士,这是你的客人,非常欢迎。
83	Debates about exclusivism are familiar to any student of philosophy.	任何哲学学生都熟悉关于排他主义的辩论.
84	Islam as many religions do, has a doctrine that is the final revelation of truth and	与许多宗教一样,伊斯兰教的教义是真理的最后启示。
85	that all of our revelation is either not divine, not final or simply wrong.	我们所有的启示要么不是神圣的 要么不是最终的 要么是完全错误的
86	This is unusual.	这是不寻常的。
87	But Islam presents a unique challenge to the secular liberal order.	但伊斯兰教对世俗的自由主义秩序提出了独特的挑战.
88	While many belief systems engage in internal moral dialogue, Islam encompasses an overarching	虽然许多信仰体系都参与内部道德对话,但伊斯兰教包含着一个总的、
89	political and legal framework, referred to as Sharia, that makes explicit actionable	政治及法律框架,即伊斯兰教教法,使
90	demands on the governance of the state.	要求治理国家。
91	This system includes a system of taxation called, and I'm aware I'm going to butcher	这个制度包括一个税收制度 叫做,我知道我要去屠宰
92	Jizya, whereby non-Muslims are in Muslim lands as envisaged by the Quran, required to pay	吉扎,根据《古兰经》的设想,非穆斯林居住在穆斯林土地上,必须支付
93	a tax for the extension of freedom of belief and the right to autonomy of life.	为扩大信仰自由和生活自主权征税。
94	We talk a lot about how we should be tolerant, how we should be accepting of beliefs, and	我们经常谈论我们应如何容忍,应如何接受信仰,以及
95	I'm sure that different presentations of Islamic law will be presented when we examine	我相信,在我们审查伊斯兰法时,将提出不同的伊斯兰法。
96	concepts like the Jizya or specific jurisprudence regarding apostasy.	例如Jizya或关于叛教的具体判例。
97	We need not trade quotes from scripture.	我们不需要经文上的引用。
98	We can debate the more essential tension between a political doctrine that legally categorises	我们可以辩论一个政治学说之间 更关键的矛盾 法律分类
99	citizens by their faith status and a western liberal system that mandates equality under	公民的信仰地位和西方自由主义制度,要求平等
100	law regardless of belief.	无论信仰如何
101	Take Jizya, it is not fundamentally liberal, and is it not fundamentally liberal and western	就拿Jizya来说,它根本上不是自由主义的, 它根本上不是自由主义的和西方的
102	to believe in discriminatory taxes against those of different faiths that are a requirement	相信对不同信仰的歧视性税收是要求
103	to be guaranteed the most basic of what we in the West would call human rights, such	我们西方人称之为人权的最基本保障
104	as the right to even lights up?	作为权利 甚至点亮?
105	Feel free.	随便吧
106	It's not discriminatory taxes, it's that in an Islamic state, there's only one level	这不是歧视性的税, 在一个伊斯兰国家,只有一个级别
107	of citizenship.	国籍。
108	Non-Muslims are the citizens.	非穆斯林是公民。
109	Muslims are the subject of the state.	穆斯林是国家的主体.
110	We have obligations to the state that non-Muslims are not subject to, and if you go to Pakistan	我们有义务规定非穆斯林人不受约束,如果你去巴基斯坦
111	for example, they have some aspects of Islamic law there.	例如,它们有一些伊斯兰法的方面。
112	In the constitution, Muslims are not allowed to drink alcohol, but Pakistani Christians	在宪法中,穆斯林不能喝酒,而是巴基斯坦基督徒
113	are actually allowed to drink alcohol and follow their own practices.	实际上允许喝酒 并遵循他们自己的习惯。
114	So if anything, an Islamic state is more oppressive to Muslims than it is to non-Muslims.	因此,一个伊斯兰国家对穆斯林比对非穆斯林更为压迫。
115	So what you're saying is fundamentally there is a discrimination there between Muslim and	所以,你的意思是,从根本上说,穆斯林和
116	non-Muslims.	非穆斯林人士。
117	I'm not insisting.	我没有坚持。
118	This is but one example.	这只是一个例子。
119	Scholars may disagree on the interpretation of various verses of the Qur'an and hadiths	学者们对于《古兰经》和《古兰经》的各种节文的解释,或许有分歧,
120	from, again, a quote, kill the polytheists wherever you find them in Surah 9-5 to, quote,	从你所发现的以物配主者,
121	whoever changes their religion, put them to death, in the words of the Prophet Muhammad	用先知穆罕默德的话 改变他们的宗教,把他们处死
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123	But with these verses, even if not literal instructions, go on.	但是有了这些诗句,即使没有文字上的指示,还是继续.
124	In the surah that you mentioned, the verse of the sword, sorry, can you recite the verse	在你提到的诗里,剑的诗句,对不起,你能背诵诗句吗?
125	that comes before it and then also the verse that comes after it?	在它之前,然后还有 诗歌之后?
126	And are you willing to accept that that verse was given in a very specific time regarding	你愿意接受吗? 那首诗是在一个非常具体的时间里写的
127	a very specific tribe that burnt or prevented the treaty that they had signed with Muslims	一个非常具体的部落,烧毁或阻止他们与穆斯林签署的条约
128	and it's not even a verse of command upon all Muslims?	它甚至不是所有穆斯林的命令诗?
129	I think I'm about to get that.	我想我会得到的。
130	But only with these verses, even if not literal instructions, even if not divine law, tell	但只有用这些诗句,即使没有文字上的指示, 即使没有神圣的法律,告诉
131	you something about the fundamental difference between Islam and other faiths.	关于伊斯兰教和其他信仰的根本区别
132	Islam is a totalizing religion.	伊斯兰教是一个完全化的宗教。
133	Non-believers are expected to convert or end in fear, not in the divine realm above, but	不信的人会被恐惧的改变或终结 而不是在上方的神境中
134	here on earth, polytheists, apostates, and all of the other deserving exclusion or worse.	以物配主者、叛教者和应受排斥者,
135	This brings me quite nicely to my second point.	这让我谈第二点。
136	Ultimately, I could list countless examples of how Muslim majority countries treat non-believers,	最后,我可以列举无数例子,说明穆斯林多数国家如何对待非信徒,
137	how it is potentially lethal in countries like Syria to be a Jew or religious minority,	在像叙利亚这样的国家里 身为犹太人或宗教少数群体 是多么致命
138	how Iran hangs homosexuals, how countries like Qatar and Saudi Arabia subjugate women	伊朗如何绞死同性恋者,卡塔尔和沙特阿拉伯等国如何征服妇女.
139	through passport controls moderated by male guardianship schemes.	根据男性监护计划,通过护照管制。
140	But be the same old tired criticism.	但做同样的老的疲劳批评。
141	I want us to think about this differently and honestly.	我希望我们以不同和诚实的方式考虑这个问题。
142	We can put this down to, as I'm sure Side Proposition will, local anomalies or distorted	我们可以把它归结为,我相信侧面提案会, 本地异常或扭曲
143	interpretations, yet nearly 80% of the world's Muslim population live in states where these	解释,然而,世界上近80%的穆斯林人口生活在他们居住的国家。
144	frameworks are not just abstract theory, but the law of the land.	框架不仅仅是抽象的理论,而是国家的法律。
145	We must grapple with this reality.	我们必须努力应对这一现实。
146	We can observe the outcome of this doctrine, where it is empowered to govern through the	我们可以观察到这一理论的结果,即它有权通过下列途径进行治理:
147	very same people who profess its teachings.	也是那些信奉其教义的人
148	If that practical truth is the stand of governance in the vast majority of the Muslim world,	如果这一实际真相是绝大多数穆斯林世界的治理立场,
149	why should we as a liberal society treat the expansion of that system as if the outcome	我们作为一个自由社会,为什么要把扩大这种制度当作结果呢?
150	would be any different?	会不会有什么不同?
151	Most concernately, political Islam, once dismissed as being crazy and as fringe as the conspiracy	最令人担心的是,政治伊斯兰教,曾经被斥为疯子和阴谋的边缘
152	of the Epstein files, is now being normalised as a policy end by an insurgent Green Parsi.	在爱泼斯坦的档案中, 一个反叛的格林·帕西正在成为政策目的。
153	The idea of Islam as a political ideology certainly isn't new, but the open pursuit	将伊斯兰教视为政治思想,当然不是新思想,而是公开追求
154	of it by parliamentary hopefuls moving from the streets to the whole of government should	议会希望从街头走向整个政府,
155	concern anyone who values our secular democracy.	关心任何重视我们世俗民主的人。
156	When the state goal of a movement is to institutionalise its legal framework, to replace existing statutes	当运动的国家目标是使其法律框架制度化,以取代现有法规时
157	with an alternative code, we are no longer discussing a religion but a political competitor.	我们不再讨论宗教 而是政治竞争者
158	Finally, I wouldn't leave you a point.	最后,我不会留你一点。
159	It is my choice as it is your choice to be suspicious of Islam or not, but let's not	这是我的选择,因为它是你的选择 怀疑伊斯兰教与否,但让我们不要
160	act like we really treat it that way.	假装我们真的这样对待它。
161	The West has got into this unfortunate habit of thinking tolerance means protection, avoidance	西方陷入了这种不幸的习惯 认为宽容意味着保护 避免
162	of scrutiny and avoidance of uncomfortable conversations.	检查和避免不愉快的谈话。
163	To be clear, faith is a choice.	说清楚,信仰是一种选择。
164	I have faith, I'm certainly not an atheist, but I expect and nor should anyone expect	我有信心,我当然不是一个无神论者, 但我期望,任何人都不应该期待
165	any accommodation, nor safe space.	任何住宿,或安全的空间。
166	The freedom for faith incurs the liability of criticism.	信仰自由引起批评的责任。
167	If truly we shouldn't be suspicious of Islam, then why the visceral backlash that you can	如果我们真的不该怀疑伊斯兰教 那你为什么可以反弹?
168	hear right now to this debate?	听到现在的辩论?
169	Why do more Muslims not see this debate how our president does?	为什么更多的穆斯林 看不到这场辩论 我们的总统如何做?
170	Look at the Five Pillars Poll as an example of how the Muslim world sees this very important	将五根柱子投票视为穆斯林世界如何看待这个非常重要的例子。
171	debate.	辩论。
172	What about how an old gentleman, sitting right there, sees it as an opportunity to defend	怎么样一个坐在这的老先生 把它看作一个辩护的机会
173	his religion?	他的宗教吗?
174	The UK...	英国...
175	Feel free.	随便吧
176	The initial Five Pillars Polls pointed out that 66% of Muslims were supportive of this	最初的五大支柱民意调查指出,66%的穆斯林支持这一点.
177	debate going through.	辩论正在进行中。
178	And then they found out the speakers and they changed it.	然后他们发现了扬声器,并改了它。
179	The UK...	英国...
180	No, they knew about Tommy.	他们知道汤米的事
181	They knew about Tommy and that was one side.	他们知道汤米的事,那是一边的
182	The UK regards, quote, religion or belief as a protected characteristic.	联合王国视宗教或信仰为受保护特征。
183	But no belief system should be protected from inquiry.	但任何信仰制度都不应受到调查的保护。
184	You should have the freedom to practice, I should have the freedom to criticise, to scrutinise	你应该有练习的自由, 我应该有批评的自由, 仔细检查的自由
185	or in fact condemn.	或事实上谴责。
186	Religions are systems of propositions, political, philosophical, personal and ultimately ontological.	宗教是命题制度,政治,哲学,个人并最终是本体论.
187	One can certainly be suspicious of Islam and I hate to say you are a liar.	人们肯定怀疑伊斯兰教,我不愿说你是骗子。
188	It's not bigotry, it's not far right.	不是偏执,也不是很远
189	How can a system of belief that demands the discrimination of apostates be compatible	要求歧视叛教者的信仰体系如何兼容?
190	with a secular order based on equality and rights?	以平等和权利为基础的世俗秩序?
191	How can a religious order that imposes subjugation as morality be compatible with a liberal democratic	将征服作为道德的宗教秩序如何与自由民主相容
192	order?	命令吗?
193	Members of the House, if you, like me, can't answer those questions, then vote for this	众议员,如果你们像我一样,不能回答那些问题,那么投票支持这个
194	motion.	移动。
195	Go on.	继续
196	On every measure of British values voted last year, what proceed equality before the law,	在去年投票表决的英国价值观中 法律面前平等的原则
197	loyalty to this country, opposition to bigotry?	忠于这个国家,反对偏执?
198	British Muslims sport higher than the British average.	英国穆斯林运动高于英国平均水平.
199	Will the Speaker concede that the community he is asking us to be suspicious of is holding	议长会承认 他要求我们怀疑的社团 正在持有
200	the line on the values of claims to defend?	权利主张的价值线?
201	I would direct the President to other polls, including the polls about whether October	我将指示总统进行其他投票,包括10月是否进行投票。
202	7th actually happened, the polls about whether 9-11 was staged by the American government,	7号事件 有关9 -11是否由美国政府策划的民调
203	the polls about the basics of British values, democracy, freedom, and I'll leave it there	关于英国价值观、民主、自由的民意调查 我把它留在那里
204	because I had already finished my speech.	因为我已经讲完了
205	I thank the Honourable Gentleman for opening the debate for the proposition and I call	我感谢尊敬的先生宣布辩论开始。
206	upon Ayesha Khan Aziz to open the debate for the opposition.	阿耶沙·汗·阿齐兹为反对派展开辩论。
207	Mr Chair, thank you for the opportunity to speak tonight.	主席先生,谢谢你今晚有机会发言。
208	I am a history student.	我是一个历史学生。
209	I love digging up the past, though not as much as some people who have studied every	我喜欢挖掘过去,虽然没有研究过每个人
210	terrorist attack since 9-11 and yet somehow missed the 12 centuries of Islamic history	9-11以来的恐怖袭击,然而不知何故错过了12个世纪的伊斯兰历史
211	that came before.	这之前。
212	But since we are doing history, let me give you Cato the Elder, since the West likes rooting	但既然我们做历史, 让我给你卡托长老, 因为西方喜欢根
213	itself in its Greco-Roman traditions.	它本身在它的格里科罗马传统。
214	Cato ended every speech in the Roman Senate on grain prices or foreign policy with the	卡托结束了罗马参议院关于谷物价格或外交政策的每场演讲
215	same line, Carthago dilenda est, Carthage must be destroyed.	同样的线,迦太哥的底盘,迦太基必须被摧毁。
216	He never argued it or proved it, he just repeated it, incessantly and relentlessly until the	他从来没有论证或证明过, 他只是重复一遍, 不断和无情的,直到
217	Senate felt it in their bones, until Carthage felt inevitable.	元老院在他们的骨头里感觉到了这一点,直到迦太基感到不可避免.
218	Eventually they went and burned it to the ground and salted the earth so nothing would	最后,他们去烧了它 并盐化了地球,所以什么都不会
219	grow again.	再来一次
220	We do not have to go back 2,000 years to see how this ends, we can look at simply last	我们不必再往前走两千年 看结局如何,我们可以只看最后
221	week in Belfast.	在贝尔法斯特的一周。
222	A stabbing on a street left a man fighting for his life at the hands of a Sudanese refugee	一条街上的刺伤 留下一个苏丹难民为生命而战的人
223	here on a legal residence permit.	凭合法居留许可证
224	Within 48 hours, mums were going from door to door looking for them.	在48小时内,妈妈们从门到门去寻找他们。
225	27 people were made homeless overnight, a Ukrainian family burned out, Muslim parents	27人一夜之间无家可归,一个乌克兰家庭被烧毁,穆斯林父母
226	who were asking their white neighbours to keep their children safe while they stayed	他们要求他们的白人邻居 在他们逗留期间保护孩子的安全
227	in their houses and waited for the inferno to come.	在他们的家中等待火狱来临。
228	A two-month-old baby was pulled from a burning house by firefighters.	一个两个月大的婴儿被消防员从一个燃烧的房子里拉出来.
229	Northern Ireland's Justice Minister said it plainly, bad faith actors who could not	北爱尔兰司法部长直言不讳地说,不能
230	have found Belfast on a map a week earlier were deliberately stroking people onto the	一周前在地图上发现了贝尔法斯特 故意把人们拖到
231	streets and that is the absolute definition of racism.	这是种族主义的绝对定义。
232	But before I make that case in full, let me acknowledge the distinguished bench in front	但在我说完这个案子之前,让我向前面的尊贵的长椅致谢
233	of me tonight.	我今晚的梦
234	Oliver JL 我从你开始
235	You dropped out of your GDL course to spend more time, unemployed, at the Oxford Union.	你放弃了GDL课程 花更多的时间,失业, 在牛津大学。
236	And given how many times a Muslim candidate has stood between you and the position you	鉴于一个穆斯林候选人 曾数次站在你和你的位置之间
237	actually wanted here in the Union, perhaps tonight's motion is less about the West	本来是想加入联盟的 也许今晚的议案不是关于西方的
238	relationship with Islam and more about yours.	与伊斯兰教的关系 以及更多关于你的。
239	Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, known to his hooligans as Tommy Robinson,	史蒂芬·亚克斯利-伦农 他的流氓叫汤米·罗宾逊
240	Stephen, there is a crowd outside rioting against you tonight and without the protection	史蒂芬,外面有一群人 今晚针对你暴动 没有保护
241	and generosity of a Muslim Palestinian president and a mostly South Asian executive	巴勒斯坦穆斯林总统和多数是南亚行政官员慷慨解囊
242	committee, you would be quite literally cooked.	委员们,你会很熟的
243	Then Lawrence Fox, actor, politician, however I think his most memorable role might be	那么劳伦斯·福克斯,演员,政治家 不过我觉得他最难忘的角色可能是
244	the ex-husband of Dr. Who's Rose Tyler, founder of the Reclaim Party, which at the	罗斯·泰勒博士的前夫 追索党创始人
245	last general election reclaimed approximately 0.02% of the British vote.	上次大选收回了英国约0.02%的选票。
246	Also a former GB News presenter, former because GB News lets him go, which if you know	也是前GB新闻主持人,前因为GB新闻放他走,如果你知道的话
247	anything about GB News says something quite specific about the threshold.	有关GB新闻的任何信息 都对门槛说得非常具体
248	Finally, Jonathan Sacerdote, a core memory of my Michaelmas 2024 Oxford Union experience.	最后,乔纳森·萨塞多特,我迈克尔马斯2024牛津联盟经历的核心记忆.
249	However, you wrote an article in The Spectator merely two days ago.	然而,你仅仅两天前在《观察家》上写了一篇文章。
250	There you insist sharing a panel with Stephen Yaxley-Lennon is not a reflection on	你坚持和史蒂芬・亚克斯利・伦农 共用一个面板不是反省
251	you and that guilt by association is beneath serious argument only to spend the rest of	你和联结的罪责 是在严肃的争论之下 只是为了度过剩下的时间
252	the piece asking Muslims to wear the guilt of a minority who share nothing with them	要求穆斯林 佩戴罪过 少数 谁与他们分享
253	but a faith.	但有一个信仰。
254	You cannot demand that logic for yourself, Jonathan, and deny it to everyone else in	你不能为自己要求这个逻辑,乔纳森, 并否认在其他人。
255	the room.	房间。
256	My argument was with the ideology of Islam, not with individual Muslims.	我的论点是伊斯兰教的意识形态,而不是个人穆斯林。
257	I read the article and it was a bit very self-apologetic about speaking here tonight.	我读了这篇文章 今晚在这里演讲有点自夸
258	Mr Chair, these are Madam Speaker's guests and in the spirit of free speech,	主席先生,这些是议长女士的客人,本着言论自由的精神,
259	they are most welcome.	他们非常受欢迎。
260	The proposition's argument is seductive.	命题的论证是诱人的.
261	It says, look at the threat, look at these hacks.	上面写着 看看威胁 看看这些黑客
262	Suspicion is just and prudence.	怀疑是公正和谨慎的。
263	I do not need to deny that Islamist terrorism or an Islamist threat is real.	我不需要否认伊斯兰恐怖主义或伊斯兰威胁是真实存在的。
264	I need to show you that collective suspicion of Islam is irrational,	我要告诉你,对伊斯兰教的集体怀疑是不合理的,
265	counterproductive, and morally catastrophic.	适得其反,在道德上是灾难性的。
266	So let us be inductive.	因此,让我们采取诱导。
267	Let us look at what that suspicion actually produces.	让我们看看这种怀疑实际产生什么。
268	After 9-11, the West treated Islam as a civilizational enemy and called that	9-11之后,西方将伊斯兰教视为文明敌人,并称
269	suspicion prudence.	怀疑谨慎。
270	The result was not safety.	结果是不安全的。
271	It was Abu Ghraib.	是阿布・格莱布
272	It was Gotomino Bay.	是古托米诺湾
273	Men who were held for decades without charge.	被禁闭数十年的人
274	Men like Ahmed Rabbani, a taxi driver from Karachi, sold to the Americans for	就像卡拉奇的出租车司机 Ahmed Rabbani 卖给美国人
275	$5,000 because they thought he was someone else.	5000元,因为他们认为他是别人。
276	20 years in a cage and he never once was charged.	在笼子里待了20年,他从未受到指控。
277	His son Jawad grew up on a 15-minute phone call a year,	他儿子贾瓦德每年在15分钟的电话里长大
278	a father who would only say he is in jail.	父亲只会说他在监狱里
279	At 13, Jawad went on the dark web to watch his father's torture videos.	13岁时,贾瓦德上黑网观看父亲的酷刑视频.
280	For years, he believed his father must have deserved it because,	多年来,他相信 他的父亲一定是罪有应得,因为,
281	in his words, you don't torture anyone for no reason.	用他的话 你不能无故折磨任何人
282	He did not meet his father until 2023.	他直到2023年才见到父亲.
283	A grown man meeting a stranger at an airport because suspicion took his	一个成年人在机场遇到陌生人 因为怀疑他
284	father before he was even born.	父亲甚至还没出生
285	That is what suspicion produces.	这就是产生怀疑的原因。
286	Not security, but the very monster it claims to defend against and a	不是保安 而是它声称要防御的怪物
287	childhood stolen from a boy who committed no crime either.	童年从一个没有犯罪的孩子那里偷来的
288	When it is not states but ordinary people who act on it,	当不是国家而是普通人采取行动时,
289	the ledger is just as damning.	账本也一样
290	Two genocides of Muslims in 30 years,	30年来发生了两次穆斯林种族灭绝事件,
291	Bosnia in 1995, Myanmar in 2017,	1995年波斯尼亚,2017年缅甸,
292	a pogrom in Delhi in 2020,	2020年德里的一次大屠杀,
293	all fed by the same elemental claim that the proposition is making	都基于同一要素 主张正在作出
294	tonight, that Muslims are foreign,	今晚,穆斯林是外国人,
295	violent, a threat by nature rather than by individual acts.	暴力,是一种自然的威胁,而不是个人行为的威胁。
296	The motion at its core is Samuel Huntington's argument,	运动的核心是塞缪尔·亨廷顿的论点,
297	which is the clash of civilisations,	即文明的冲突,
298	Islam and the West placed as mortal enemies in a struggle	伊斯兰和西方在斗争中把敌人当作死敌
299	that only one side can win.	只有一方能赢
300	Published in 1993, it has shaped Western policy for 30 years.	它于1993年出版,30年来形成了西方政策。
301	So let us test it against the evidence.	让我们用证据来测试一下
302	他们说,证据是ISIS、Palmyra、Bamiyar诸佛。
303	Look, here is the clash.	你看,这里是冲突。
304	Here is why suspicion is rational.	这就是为什么怀疑是理性的。
305	All they do is destroy.	他们所做的就是毁灭
306	So let me take them to Jerusalem.	让我带他们去耶路撒冷
307	In the Al-Aqsa complex, which is the third holy site in Islam,	阿克萨建筑群是伊斯兰教的第三个圣地,
308	there are Gothic rose windows.	这里有哥特式玫瑰窗
309	Crusader stonework preserved by Muslim custodians	穆斯林监护人保存的十字军石刻
310	for eight centuries.	八个世纪。
311	Salahuddin Ayyubi took Jerusalem in 1187	萨拉赫丁·艾尤比于1187年占领耶路撒冷
312	and left the Christian stonework standing.	并留下了基督教的石工站立。
313	That is not a clash of civilisations.	这不是文明冲突。
314	I'm talking about Jerusalem.	我说的是耶路撒冷
315	Bamiyar和Bamiyar的证据被否认,
316	when the Taliban first proposed destroying the Buddhas,	当塔利班第一次提议摧毁诸佛时
317	开罗Al-Azhar大学学者
318	flew to Kandahar to argue against it on theological grounds.	飞到坎大哈以神学为由进行反驳.
319	Hazara Muslims took up arms to protect them.	哈扎拉穆斯林拿起武器保护他们。
320	That tradition tried harder to save those statues	这个传统更努力地拯救那些雕像
321	than the West ever did.	比西方更厉害
322	Which brings me to Palmyra.	这让我想到帕尔米拉
323	The man who died trying to save it was an 81-year-old Muslim man	试图救他的人是81岁的穆斯林
324	tortured for a month and beheaded for refusing to talk.	被折磨一个月 并被斩首 拒绝说话。
325	So who is Islamist violence actually killing?	伊斯兰暴力到底是谁在杀人?
326	Not the West.	不见西方.
327	It's Muslims.	这是穆斯林。
328	91% of everyone killed by Islamist terrorism is Muslim.	91%被伊斯兰恐怖主义杀害的人是穆斯林。
329	The Taliban has killed 69,000 people,	塔利班已经杀死69 000人,
330	ISIS 58,000, Boko Haram 25,000 people,	伊斯兰国58 000人,博科圣地25 000人,
331	all of them nearly Muslim,	他们几乎都是穆斯林,
332	killed by men who called themselves	被自称的男子杀害
333	the only true Muslims on earth.	世界上唯一真正的穆斯林
334	For 20 years the West has pointed at the body count	二十年来西方一直指着尸体数
335	and blamed the corpses for suspicion.	并责备尸体 怀疑。
336	Huntington told governments that they were not engaged,	亨廷顿告诉政府他们没有订婚,
337	they were in a civilizational war.	他们在一场文明战争中
338	They believed him and in fighting that war	他们相信他,也相信他打这场战争
339	they generated precisely the enemy his thesis required.	他们制造出他的论文所需要的敌人
340	Yes?	是吗?
341	Are you suggesting that Islamic death	你是说伊斯兰的死
342	meted out to other Muslims	结交其他穆斯林
343	should not make people in the West suspicious	不应该让西方人怀疑
344	because they care about Islam killing its own people?	因为他们关心伊斯兰教杀害自己的人民?
345	I think primarily the West's argument	我想主要是西方的论点
346	towards criticism of Muslims is to do with themselves	批评穆斯林和他们自己有关
347	as opposed to how they treat other Muslims.	而不是他们如何对待其他穆斯林。
348	I don't think that the footing	我不认为那台楼
349	in which we treat other Muslims versus Westerners is equal.	我们对待其他穆斯林和西方人是平等的。
350	That is the paradox of the modern culture war actually.	这就是现代文化战争的矛盾。
351	Offended by everything, shamed by nothing,	被一切所羞辱,无所不知
352	they take issue with a woman on a headscarf on a bus	他们在公共汽车上的头巾上和一个女人发生争执
353	and feel no shame about the wars we exported	对我们出口的战争不感到羞耻
354	or the terrorist regimes we bankrolled.	或我们资助的恐怖政权。
355	The sensibility that finds Islam offensive	认为伊斯兰教具有攻击性的敏感性
356	cannot locate its own reflection in history.	无法在历史上找到自己的反射。
357	And trust me, the West has plenty of history to locate.	相信我,西方有很多历史可查
358	The Inquisition, colonialism, slavery,	宗教裁判所 殖民主义 奴隶制
359	the interment of Japanese Americans, McCarthyism,	美籍日本人麦卡锡主义
360	every generation has had its Carthage,	各代人都有自己的迦太基,
361	a group cast as a civilizational threat.	一群人成为文明的威胁
362	Every generation told itself it was being reasonable	每代人都说这很合理
363	and every generation was wrong.	每一代人,都是迷误的。
364	So let us be clear about Western values.	因此,让我们明确西方价值观。
365	The West does not have a settled unified set of values	西方没有一套统一的价值观
366	against which Islam can be measured and found wanting.	伊斯兰是可以衡量和发现匮乏的。
367	It is a contested unresolved project	这是一个有争议的未决项目
368	and so is Islam and so is every intellectual tradition.	伊斯兰教也一样 每一个知识传统也一样
369	The question is not whether one perfect civilization	问题不在于一个完美的文明
370	can judge another and find it deficient, denied,	以便他判决另一宗判决,而发现那宗判决是无效的,
371	but whether two imperfect contested traditions can coexist	但两种不完美的有争议的传统能否共存
372	and that is not answered by one of them	他们中有一个人没有答复,
373	claiming the right to treat the other as inherently suspect.	声称有权将对方视为固有的嫌疑人。
374	I agree that Western values are worth defending	我同意西方的价值观值得捍卫
375	so completely that I will show you what they look like	完全地,我会让你看到他们的样子
376	when I actually live them.	我真正活在他们身边的时候
377	Western critical thinking means	西方批判思想意味着
378	I can read a scholar's commentary on a Quranic verse	我能读到学者在《古兰经》中的评论
379	and decide that he might be right or wrong.	决定他是不是对或错
380	It means I can hold up my faith in scrutiny	意思是,我可以保持我的信念 检查
381	without it shattering	# 没有碎裂 #
382	because a faith that cannot survive a question	因为一个无法幸存的信仰
383	probably deserves to be questioned, am I right?	可能值得质疑,对不对?
384	But the proposition's argument	但这个提议的论点
385	is not critical thinking should be universal.	批评性思维不应具有普遍性。
386	It is that the West has a right to be suspicious of me	是西方有权怀疑我
387	before I even open my mouth,	在我张开嘴之前
388	before I demonstrate anything at all,	在我展示一切之前,
389	suspicious of who I am and also what I eat, ironically.	讽刺的是 怀疑我是谁 也怀疑我吃什么
390	MI5's own researchers have said this themselves.	军情五处的研究人员自己也说过
391	When communities feel pre-convicted,	当社区感到有罪前,
392	they disengage from the institutions	他们脱离机构
393	that could intercept real threats.	能够拦截真正的威胁
394	Legitimized...	合法化...
395	I'm trying to get through my speech.	我试图通过我的演讲。
396	Legitimized suspicion does not make us safer.	正当怀疑并不能使我们更安全。
397	It makes the people we need onside feel like enemies.	它使我们需要的人 感到像敌人。
398	One more thing about Western values.	西方价值还有一件事
399	The proposition speaks of a Judeo-Christian tradition	这个提议说的是犹太-基督教传统
400	under threat from Islam.	受到伊斯兰教的威胁。
401	That phrase was coined in the 1930s in America	这句话是1930年代在美国发明的
402	to fight fascism,	对抗法西斯主义,
403	built against exclusion.	防止排斥。
404	Then the Cold War came	冷战到来
405	and it was repurposed	它被重新设计
406	as a banner against godless communism	作为反对无神论的旗帜
407	because nothing says rugged Western freedom	因为没有什么说 崎岖的西方自由
408	quite like reminding the Soviets to go to church.	就像提醒苏联人去教堂一样
409	Now it has changed targets again.	现在它又改变了目标。
410	No longer Jewish people are written out of the West	犹太人不再被写出西方
411	but the Muslim person.	但穆斯林是个穆斯林
412	It is the same machinery, the same sentence structure,	同样的机器,相同的句子结构,
413	the same act of drawing a line around	画一条线环绕
414	who counts as one of us,	他象我们一样,
415	just pointed at different people.	只是指着不同的人
416	Islamophobia has become one of the last	仇视伊斯兰教已成为最后一种
417	socially acceptable forms of bigotry	社会可接受的偏见形式
418	in British public life	在英国公共生活中
419	and the proposition wants	和提议想要
420	to give that bigotry a mandate.	给那个偏执者一个任务
421	My grandfather came to this country in the 1950s.	我祖父在1950年代来到这个国家.
422	He did not arrive suspicious.	他没有到可疑的地方。
423	He arrived with a particular stubborn hope	他的到来有着特别的固执的希望
424	of someone who believed	以信道者发誓,
425	Britain meant what it had said.	英国是真心的
426	He spent his life proving he belonged here	他一生都证明自己属于这里
427	brick by brick,	一砖一砖,
428	year by year.	年复一年地进行。
429	He even gave up his name,	他甚至放弃了名字
430	Abdul Aziz,	阿卜杜勒·阿齐兹
431	for one that would open more doors.	一个能打开更多门的人
432	We gave this country our blood to enrich it.	我们给了这个国家我们的血来丰富它。
433	That proposition is asking you to tell him	这个提议是请你告诉他
434	that was never going to be enough.	这是永远不会是足够的。
435	Staging suspicion of Islam	对伊斯兰教的怀疑
436	is not intellectual rigour.	这不是智力上的严谨。
437	It is the same Islamophobia	这是同样的恐惧症
438	that keeps people like	让人们喜欢
439	Stephen Yaxley Lennon	斯蒂芬·亚克斯利·列侬
440	and Lawrence Fox trafficking.	和劳伦斯・福克斯贩卖。
441	And it is a disgrace	这是耻辱
442	I'm about to finish my speech.	我要完成我的演讲。
443	It is a disgrace that Muslims	这是穆斯林的耻辱
444	should have to keep performing	应该继续表演
445	their humanity to earn belief.	他们为赢得信仰而建立的人性。
446	I say that is not Western values.	我说这不是西方的价值观。
447	That is Western failure.	这是西方的失败。
448	That is a Western disgrace	这是西方的耻辱
449	and this House is better than that.	这座天房比那更好
450	I urge you all to vote against the motion tonight.	我敦促你们今晚投票反对动议。
451	Thank you.	谢谢
452	I thank the Honourable Lady	感谢尊敬的夫人
453	for opening the case	开始审理此案
454	for the Opposition	反对党代表
455	and I now call upon	我现在请
456	Mr Tommy Robinson	汤米·鲁滨逊先生
457	to advance the case	推进案件审理
458	for the proposition.	对于提议。
459	First of all,	首先,我们...
460	I'd like to say	我想说
461	I'd much rather be watching	我宁愿看着
462	the England game	英国游戏
463	than in here tonight.	比这里今晚。
464	I've simply come here	我只是来这里
465	because of the commitment	因为承诺
466	to free speech	言论自由
467	that I had for this event.	我为这次活动准备的
468	I know you have totally	我知道你完全拥有
469	opposite views to me	与我相反的观点
470	but I know that people	但我知道人们
471	may step into the field	可步入战区
472	of inviting me somewhere	*邀请我到某处*
473	without realising	未实现
474	what it's going to face.	它会面对什么。
475	So I'm fully aware	┮и笵
476	of the backlash	反弹
477	you would have faced	你会面对
478	but I congratulate you	但我祝贺你
479	on your defence of free speech	捍卫言论自由
480	and that's the reason	这就是原因
481	why I've come tonight.	我今晚来干嘛?
482	I'd also like to congratulate	我还想恭喜你
483	Ayesha	阿耶萨
484	on her first great speech	在她第一次伟大的演讲中
485	and I'm sorry	对不起
486	that your family	那个你的家人
487	aren't here today	今天不在这里
488	to have watched that	曾经观看
489	but it wasn't my supporters	但这不是我的支持者
490	that have attacked them outside.	袭击了外面的人
491	It's not my supporters	这不是我的支持者
492	who are causing a rabble	他们使暴动,
493	or smashing the place up	或捣乱的地方
494	and attacking police officers.	攻击警察
495	It's not supporters	这不是支持者
496	on our side of the debate either.	在辩论的一方。
497	It's supporters on your side of the debate	是你们那边的支持者
498	who are out there causing mayhem.	他们在那里,将遭受凌辱。
499	So before talking about Islam,	所以在谈论伊斯兰教之前
500	I'd love to believe	我很乐意相信
501	what Jacob	雅各,这是什么?
502	and the others on this panel	以及小组中的其他人
503	believe	相信这一点
504	that we shouldn't be suspicious	我们不应该怀疑
505	of Islam.	联合国
506	Jacob,	雅各 雅各 亚各
507	there's 480 Muslims	有480个穆斯林
508	who live in your constituency.	住在你的选区。
509	0.5%.	0.5个
510	You probably can't find a Muslim.	你可能找不到一个穆斯林
511	There's three mosques,	有三个清真寺,
512	the main one being	关键是
513	in Bath University.	在巴斯大学。
514	I'm from Luton town.	吕顿镇人.
515	We have 80,000 Muslims,	我们有8万穆斯林
516	45 mosques,	45座清真寺,
517	33% of the population.	占总人口的33%.
518	So I asked myself	所以我问自己
519	why would a non-Muslim	为何一个非穆斯林
520	be telling any of us	告诉任何人
521	that we shouldn't	我们不应该
522	be suspicious of Islam?	怀疑伊斯兰教?
523	Well of course,	当然
524	Jacob does not have to live	雅各不必活着
525	with the consequences	后果特别委员会的报告
526	of his own disastrous government	他自己的灾难性政府
527	of the Conservative Party	保守党主席
528	and their policies,	及其政策,
529	beliefs only the elite	信仰只属于精英
530	can afford to hold.	买得起
531	So to Islam,	对伊斯兰教来说,
532	first,	首先,
533	should we,	我们是否应该
534	the West,	西方国家,
535	be suspicious of it?	怀疑吗?
536	I want to be clear	我想说清楚
537	what Islam is.	伊斯兰教是什么。
538	Because it's not	因为它不是
539	what any of you say it is.	你们都这么说
540	It's not what I say it is.	这不是我说的。
541	It's not what	这不是什么
542	we wish it to be.	我们希望如此。
543	And it's not what	这不是什么
544	your friendly local imam	你友善的当地伊玛目
545	or your taxi driver	或者你的出租车司机
546	or Mr Andalusia	或安达卢西亚先生
547	decides it is.	决定了
548	Islam is defined	伊斯兰教的定义
549	in the Quran.	在《古兰经》中。
550	Muslims	穆斯林教徒
551	that believe the Quran	他们确信《古兰经》,
552	to be the word of Allah	成为真主之言
553	written	写入
554	in an eternal book	在永恒的书中
555	in heaven	在天堂里,我们...
556	and revealed to Mohammed	启示穆罕默德,
557	in the 7th century.	在7世纪。
558	And it's the Sunnah.	而为顺纳.
559	The excellent	伟大的
560	pattern of behaviour	行为模式
561	or exalted standard	或高级标准
562	of moral excellence	道德卓越
563	as defined	定义
564	in the Hadiths	在哈迪斯山脉
565	which record his sayings,	记录他的言辞,
566	actions	动作
567	and silence approvals	和沉默批准书
568	or disapprovals	或反对
569	of Mohammed	穆罕默德·穆罕默德阁下
570	and in the biography.	和在传记。
571	And the whole idea,	整个想法,
572	by the way,	对了
573	is based on accepting	是基于接受
574	that Mohammed	那个穆罕默德
575	is the final prophet.	是最后的预言者。
576	Because the Quran	因为《古兰经》
577	says so	你说的
578	and the Quran	和《古兰经》,
579	is the word of God	神的话
580	because Mohammed	因为穆罕默德
581	says so.	说得没错
582	seeking common ground.	寻求共同点。
583	I'm not here	我不在这
584	for a fight	战斗
585	contrary to what	与什么相反
586	everyone believes.	每个人都相信。
587	Everyone thinks	每个人都觉得
588	everywhere I go	无论我走到哪里
589	I want to fight.	我想战斗。
590	I want to find	и稱т
591	some common ground.	一些共同点。
592	Finding common ground	寻找共同点
593	with Islam.	与伊斯兰教。
594	Mohammed said	穆罕默德说
595	to the Christians	致基督徒的信
596	of Najan	纳让
597	come to a word	说句话吧
598	that is just	这只是
599	between us and you	我们和你之间
600	that we worship	我们崇拜的,
601	none but Allah	只有真主能拯救你们,
602	and that we associate	我们以物配主,
603	no partners with him.	没有他的搭档。
604	So Islam presents itself	因此,伊斯兰教呈现自己
605	as religion	作为宗教
606	that wants to seek	想要寻求
607	common ground	共同立场
608	with others.	和别人
609	Come to a word	说句话吧
610	Mohammed was saying	穆罕默德说
611	let's find	我们去找找看
612	some common ground.	一些共同点。
613	Nothing	没什么
614	to be suspicious	让人怀疑
615	of there right?	是吗?
616	But it's the	但这是
617	no partners	无合伙人
618	that's the key.	这是关键。
619	Islam says	伊斯兰教说
620	it wants common ground	它想要共同点
621	but the common ground	但共同点
622	must be Islam.	一定是伊斯兰教
623	Christians	基督教徒
624	must deny	必须拒绝
625	Jesus is the son of	耶稣的儿子
626	God	天呐
627	a partner.	搭档
628	But anyway	但无论如何
629	let's look for	我们去找找
630	some common ground.	一些共同点。
631	That's what we want to find.	这就是我们要找到的
632	I've seen how this works	我亲眼看见了
633	I'll take as many	我拿这么多
634	questions as you want	问题随你便
635	at the end.	在结尾。
636	I'm just going to finish	我就要讲完
637	my speech.	我的演讲
638	How many of you	你们有多少人
639	in here are gay?	在这里是同性恋?
640	You don't actually	其实你不是
641	need to put your hands up.	把手举起来
642	In the Quran	在《古兰经》里,
643	through the story of Lot	通过鲁特的故事
644	homosexuality	同性恋
645	is condemned	被谴责
646	and four of the five	和其中四个
647	major schools	大学校
648	of Islamic law	伊斯兰法
649	think it should be	觉得应该是
650	punishable	惩罚
651	by death.	以死换生
652	Maybe	也许
653	I'm going to finish	我要说完
654	my speech.	我的演讲
655	In fact	其实
656	24 countries where Islam	伊斯兰24个国家
657	is the state religion	是国教
658	have criminal penalties	有刑事处罚;
659	for homosexuality.	同性恋
660	Eight of them	八个
661	is punishable by death.	将处以死刑。
662	So I wonder	所以我觉得
663	maybe if you're gay	也许如果你是同性恋
664	you might	你也许
665	maybe be a little bit	也许有点
666	suspicious of this.	怀疑这一点。
667	That's in Afghanistan	这是在阿富汗
668	Iran	伊朗伊斯兰共和国
669	Qatar	卡塔尔
670	Saudi Arabia	沙特阿拉伯
671	UAE	阿联酋
672	Yemen	也门
673	they kill you	他们杀了你
674	for being gay.	因为是同性恋。
675	Who's protesting	谁在抗议
676	about this?	关于这个?
677	When these	当这些
678	country state legislators	国家立法者
679	or governments	或政府
680	visit our country	访问我国
681	who protests?	谁抗议?
682	I'll just love to finish	我很乐意说完
683	with you.	和你们一起
684	Point of order has been	程序问题
685	raised.	长大了。
686	As per discussions	根据讨论情况
687	with previous speakers	与前几位发言者一起发言
688	we did agree	我们说好的
689	that we would take	我们会采取
690	points of information	资料要点
691	from fellow speaker,	从同声代言人,
692	guests and audience	嘉宾和观众
693	members.	成员。
694	If you can respect that	如果你能尊重这一点
695	as part of a constructive	作为建设性
696	debate	辩论
697	thank you very much.	非常感谢
698	Thank the president	谢谢总统
699	for that point of order.	对于这个程序问题。
700	Mr Robinson	鲁滨逊先生
701	I think the idea	我觉得这个主意
702	that the president	总统
703	is putting across is	正在对面
704	Hear the question first.	先听问.
705	Take a question	问个问题
706	every now and then.	时不时
707	Take a question	问个问题
708	every now and then please.	时时请.
709	Thank you.	谢谢
710	Can we at least agree	我们至少可以同意
711	killing people	杀人
712	because they are homosexuals	因为他们是同性恋
713	is never okay.	永远不会好。
714	It was never okay then	那时就永远不行了
715	and it's not okay now.	现在不行了
716	Now	现在
717	I'll have to listen will I?	我一定要听吗?
718	I'll see how this works.	我看看会怎么样
719	Where does it say	上面写着
720	in the Quran	在《古兰经》中,
721	or the teaching	或教学
722	of Prophet Mohammed	穆罕默德先知会
723	that someone	那个人
724	who is homosexual	同性恋者
725	or gay	或同性恋
726	should be executed?	应该被处决吗?
727	You don't need	你用不着
728	to convince me mate	说服我伙计
729	you need to convince	你需要说服
730	the 8 islamic countries	8个伊斯兰国家
731	that are killing them	正在杀死他们
732	the people are being	人们正在
733	thrown off rooftops	扔出屋顶
734	go have your argument	去跟你争论吧
735	with Hamas	与哈马斯
736	go have your argument	去跟你争论吧
737	with voices	有声音
738	you don't need	你没必要
739	to convince me.	说服我
740	Now please	现在请
741	if I can just finish	如果我能说完
742	again	再来一次
743	let's talk about sex	让我们谈谈性
744	okay?	好吗?
745	How many of you	你们有多少人
746	have had sex	有过性爱
747	since you got here?	自从你来了?
748	I want to see your hands up	我想看你举起手来
749	I knew that was coming	我就知道会这样
750	you see	看见没?
751	the Quran prescribes	《古兰经》规定:
752	100 lashes	100下鞭子
753	for the male	对于男性
754	and the female	和女性一样
755	involved in what	参与什么
756	Islam considers	伊斯兰教认为:
757	illegal sexual intercourse	非法性交
758	that's the Quran 24 too	那也是古兰经24
759	but islamic scholars	但伊斯兰学者,
760	have gone	已经走了
761	all in on this issue	所有关于这个问题
762	not just lashing	不只是鞭打,没有
763	all schools	所有学校
764	of islamic law	伊斯兰法
765	prescribe death	规定死亡
766	by stoning	以石块砸死
767	if a person	如果一个人
768	is married	已经结婚
769	和Shia学校
770	Jafari	贾法里
771	prescribes	规定
772	100 lashes	100下鞭子
773	before	在此之前
774	you're stoned to death	你被石头砸死
775	so maybe	所以也许
776	if you think	如果你觉得
777	no one believes in this	没有人相信这个
778	if you think	如果你觉得
779	no one believes	没有人相信
780	in this barbaric stuff	在这野蛮的东西
781	in 2023	2023年统计
782	the head imam	头目伊玛目
783	of the green lane mosque	绿道清真寺
784	the head imam	头目伊玛目
785	you can watch this video	你可以看这个视频
786	actually gives a seminar	实际举办研讨会
787	to his congregation	致他的众会,
788	on	打开
789	how we keep	我们如何保持
790	the modesty of the woman	女人的谦虚
791	before we smash rocks	在砸碎石头之前
792	at her head	在她头上
793	you see	看见没?
794	she has to be buried	她必须埋葬
795	up to a certain level	达到一定水平
796	to preserve her modesty	为了保持她的谦虚
797	member of the nation	国家成员
798	is what you are discussing	是你在讨论的
799	not abuse	非滥用
800	of islamic scripture	教诲的经典,
801	not actually	其实不是
802	what is discussed	讨论的内容
803	in the islamic scripture	在经文中
804	give me examples	举个例子
805	from islamic scripture	从伊斯兰经文
806	in islamic law	在伊斯兰法中
807	not cherry picked examples	不是樱桃所选的例子
808	should	应
809	give me examples	举个例子
810	from the verses	从节文中
811	of the quran	页:1
812	that back up your arguments	这支持你的论点
813	should the lady	夫人应该
814	a simple question is	一个简单的问题是
815	should the gay person	如果同性恋者
816	who was thrown off	被丢弃
817	the rooftop	屋顶
818	have been suspicious	已经怀疑
819	should the lady	夫人应该
820	buried into the ground	埋在地上 埋在地上
821	having rocks smashed	石头碎了
822	at her head	在她头上
823	which is the law	这是法律
824	which i'll get to	我会得到
825	does it matter	有关系吗
826	Quran说什么
827	when muslims	当穆斯林
828	do not practice it	不要练习
829	does it matter	有关系吗
830	when the muslims	当穆斯林灭亡的时候,
831	who are	他们是
832	confessing	认罪
833	exactly what he said	他刚才说的
834	all the ones	全部都给我
835	who are saying	谁在说
836	yep	对
837	now	现在
838	25 countries	25个国家
839	where islam is	伊斯拉姆在什么地方
840	the state religion	国教
841	have criminal penalties	有刑事处罚;
842	for sex outside of marriage	婚外性行为
843	9 of them	9个
844	is punishable by death	被处以死刑
845	so again	还是这样
846	no one needs to have	没有人需要
847	this argument with me	跟我争吵
848	you don't need to convince me	你不需要说服我
849	again who is processing	再次处理中
850	about this	关于这个
851	can we at least agree	我们至少可以同意
852	as a group	组合
853	can we look for	我们可以找
854	some common ground	一些共同点
855	with the muslim community	与穆斯林社区
856	stoning people	乱石砸人
857	for having sex outside of marriage	婚外性行为
858	is never ok	永远不会好
859	it was never ok	永远是好的
860	it's not ok then	那也没关系
861	and it's not ok now	现在不行了
862	since jewish law	自犹太法律以来
863	says the same thing	说一样的话
864	i'm not here to talk about jewish law	我不是来谈犹太法律的
865	should we be suspicious	我们是否应该怀疑
866	of jewish law equally	犹太人法律平等
867	will you be consistent sir	先生,你一定要坚持
868	that's not the question	这不是问题
869	we're here for	我们是来这的
870	if you want to have that	如果你想拥有它
871	question and debate	问题和辩论
872	have it	拿着吧
873	can we at least	至少我们可以
874	agree with the muslim community	同意穆斯林社区的意见
875	ok	还好
876	in modern britain	在现代新娘中
877	where you're preaching	你讲道的地方
878	to what now	现在怎么办?
879	4 million muslims	400万穆斯林教徒
880	we can just put a line	我们可以排队
881	through the verses	穿过诗句
882	in the quran	在方块中
883	the parts of islam sacred text	伊斯拉姆神圣文本的部分
884	that says these things	这么说
885	are not ok	有问题
886	they're not practised now	现在不用练习了
887	they weren't ok then	那时他们不好
888	and they're not ok now	现在不好了
889	can we meet in the middle	我们可以在中间见面
890	somewhere	某处
891	and have you accept	你接受吗?
892	the verses in the quran today	今天的歌词
893	will you demand that	你会要求
894	orthodox jews	正统犹太人
895	put lines through the tanakh	穿透塔纳赫
896	would you be an orthodox jews	你是正统的犹太人吗?
897	put a line for the tanakh	给塔纳赫排一条线
898	as you are requesting muslims to do	正如你要求穆斯林做的那样
899	i think you're confused	我觉得你很困惑
900	at which debate you're at	这场辩论你正在
901	ok	还好
902	and the motion of this debate	和本次辩论的动议
903	now	现在
904	let's turn	转身
905	to good old mohammed	给好老莫罕默德
906	ok	还好
907	according to islam sacred text	根据伊斯兰神圣的文字
908	an exalted example	一个崇高的例子
909	of moral excellence	道德卓越
910	well in 2014	2014年情况
911	isis	谓
912	again	再来一次
913	because this is important	因为这很重要
914	because they're following scripture	因为他们遵守经文
915	isis	谓
916	when they captured joseph	当他们俘虏约瑟夫的时候,
917	ask any muslim	问任何穆斯林
918	whether they believe	他们是否信仰,
919	isis	谓
920	is following islamic scripture	正在遵循伊斯兰经典
921	and you will find that	你会发现
922	no muslim agrees	没有穆斯林同意
923	that they are actually islamic	他们实际上是异性恋
924	they are actually islamic	他们实际上是异性恋
925	once again	再来一次
926	let me ask a question	让我问你一个问题
927	i'm sorry madam president	对不起,总统女士
928	i think the point has been made	我想重点已经提出了
929	you must allow the speaker	您必须允许发言者
930	to continue	继续
931	in 2014	在2014年时
932	isis executed	执行中
933	captured yazidi men	抓获亚兹迪人
934	and boys	和男孩人数
935	and what they'd done is	他们所做的是
936	they pulled their pants down	他们把裤子拉下来了
937	they surrendered	他们投降了
938	they pulled their pants down	他们把裤子拉下来了
939	anyone who had any pubic hair	有阴毛的人
940	was shot in the head	头部中枪
941	and some of them had their heads	他们中有一伙人,
942	cut off with knives	用刀砍下来
943	you can watch the videos	你可以看视频
944	if you want online	如果你想在线
945	ok	还好
946	they were following the example	他们正效仿这个榜样
947	of mohammed	摩罕默德岛
948	who according to islam's	根据伊斯拉姆的
949	own sacred text	拥有神圣的文字
950	presided over the execution	主持执行
951	of up to 900 men and boys	* 多达900名男子和男孩
952	which was the jewish tribe	那是犹太部落
953	who had surrendered	已经投降
954	and any male prisoner	和任何男性囚犯
955	any male	任何男性
956	let me finish	让我说完
957	any male prisoner	任何男性囚犯
958	who had pubic hair	他们有阴毛,
959	was executed	已执行
960	that is what the practice	这就是惯例
961	that the muslims in 2014	在2014年的穆斯林军团
962	were following	被跟踪
963	this is why scripture is important	所以经文才重要
964	and why we must	以及为什么我们必须
965	be suspicious	可疑
966	now consider the fact	现在考虑一下
967	i'll just finish please	我先说完
968	consider the fact	考虑事实
969	that there are no jews	没有犹太人
970	none	无
971	in any of the 26 countries	26个国家中的任何一个
972	where islam is a state religion	伊斯兰是国教
973	countries which once held	曾持有
974	thriving jewish communities	繁荣的犹太社区
975	this is not an accident	这不是意外
976	and there are pressure few christians	压力也很小
977	in any of these islamic countries either	在任何一个伊斯兰国家
978	that once had majority	曾经占多数
979	christian populations	基督教徒人口
980	you see one way or another	你从哪方面看
981	these countries	这些国家
982	are following	正在跟踪
983	the example of mohammed	摩罕默德的例子
984	i will certainly	我会的
985	expel the jews and christians	驱逐犹太人和基督教徒
986	excuse me	对不起
987	can i just finish	我能说完吗?
988	i will certainly	我会的
989	expel the jews and christians	驱逐犹太人和基督教徒
990	from the arabian peninsula	阿拉伯半岛
991	and will not leave	绝不离开,
992	any	任何
993	but muslim	但是,穆斯林语
994	这是Mohammed的引言
995	sahi muslim	萨希穆斯林
996	sahi being the authentic	萨希是真实的
997	considered most authentic	被认为是最真实的
998	hadith	哈迪丝
999	please can i just finish	请让我先说完
1000	one more question	再问一个问题
1001	on the point	问题
1002	sorry	对不起
1003	we don't have to accept	我们不必接受
1004	no it doesn't	不,它没有
1005	ok	还好
1006	so	这样
1007	of course	当然
1008	put your hands up	把手举起来
1009	if you think it's ok	如果你觉得没事
1010	for a man	为了男人
1011	older than most	超过多数
1012	of your dads	你父亲
1013	say in their 50s	说50多岁
1014	to marry someone	嫁给某人
1015	in infant school	婴儿学校
1016	let's say 6 years old	6岁吧
1017	and can't consummate	无法完成
1018	that marriage	结婚
1019	rape	强奸
1020	when the little girl	当那个小女孩
1021	reaches 9	达到 9
1022	by the way	顺便说一句
1023	that's year 5	这是第五年
1024	doing key stage 2	进行关键阶段 2
1025	no please	不请
1026	because i know	因为我知道
1027	many of you gentlemen	许多先生们
1028	should have your hands up	应该举起手来
1029	at this point	此时此刻
1030	no	无
1031	we're going to get onto it	我们要查清楚
1032	but you agree	不过你同意
1033	that mohammed was perfect	那莫汉默德是完美的
1034	as we know	据我们所知
1035	he married a 6 year old	他嫁给了一个6岁的孩子
1036	had sex with her when she was 9	她九岁时和她发生性关系
1037	we've had	我们有过
1038	we've previously had	我们以前有过
1039	this discussion	本次讨论
1040	to think children	认为孩子
1041	should be suspicious	应该是可疑的
1042	of islam	伊斯兰
1043	who are studying key stage 2	正在研究关键阶段2的人
1044	no please	不请
1045	can i just finish	我能说完吗?
1046	and of course	当然
1047	can i please finish	我可以说完吗?
1048	order	顺序
1049	you can get on	你可以上车了
1050	the speaker declined	发言人拒绝了
1051	please let the speaker continue	请让发言者继续
1052	and	和
1053	i must mention	我必须提一下
1054	quran 65 4	国 家 65 4
1055	where god	在那里,上帝会
1056	debatable	有争议的
1057	god spells out the rules	上帝明了规矩
1058	for divorcing	离婚时
1059	prepubescent	预产期
1060	children	儿童
1061	okay	还好
1062	so let me read it	让我读读看
1063	and for those	和这些
1064	who have no courses	没有课程的人
1065	not yet started	尚未开始
1066	your periods	月经
1067	who are still	还没死
1068	immature	未成熟
1069	他们的iddah
1070	their waiting	他们的等待,
1071	period	期间
1072	is 3 months	3个月
1073	what has happened	发生了什么事
1074	for a child	儿童津贴
1075	to be married	结婚
1076	and this is the quran	这是夸尔语
1077	telling you	告诉你
1078	what the rules are	规矩是什么
1079	and obligations	义务
1080	to divorce a child	离婚
1081	before they've started	在他们开始之前
1082	puberty	青春期
1083	can we be suspicious	我们可以怀疑吗?
1084	on this question	在这个问题上
1085	is this	这是
1086	no please	不请
1087	can i finish	我可以说完
1088	and to buy it	并买下它
1089	be honest	老实说
1090	i'm just here	我在这里
1091	i'm the extremist apparently	我显然是极端分子
1092	yeah	对
1093	i'm the extremist	我是极端主义者
1094	for not wanting homosexual	因为不想同性恋
1095	thrown off rooftops	扔出屋顶
1096	not wanting women buried	不想让女人被埋葬
1097	in the ground	地面上
1098	and not wanting children	和不想要孩子
1099	studying key stage 2	学习关键阶段2
1100	to be married and raped	结婚和被强奸
1101	so	这样
1102	of the 10 countries	10个国家
1103	with the highest rates	比率最高
1104	of child marriage	童婚
1105	7 of them	其中7个
1106	are islamic countries	伊斯兰国家
1107	there's no minimum age	没有最低年龄
1108	in sudan	在苏丹
1109	somalia	索马里
1110	saudi arabia	萨乌迪·阿拉比亚
1111	yemen	亚门
1112	because there's no minimum age	因为没有最低年龄
1113	in islam	在伊兰
1114	but whatever the state	但无论国家如何
1115	legal age for marriages	法定结婚年龄
1116	in some muslim countries	在某些穆斯林国家
1117	forced marriage	强迫婚姻
1118	of young girls	少女人数
1119	often to much older men	经常对年纪大得多的男人
1120	is prevalent	常见
1121	in afghanistan	在澳大利亚
1122	in pakistan	在巴基斯坦语中
1123	in bangladesh	在乡下
1124	bakerni	面包师
1125	pakina fasso	帕基纳法索
1126	yemen	亚门
1127	i could go on	我可以继续
1128	and on	继续
1129	unicef 数据显示
1130	for all of you ladies	各位女士们
1131	who care about women	关心女人的人
1132	and children's rights	儿童权利
1133	unicef 数据显示
1134	child brides	儿童新娘
1135	are unlikely	这不可能
1136	to finish education	完成学业
1137	more likely to believe	更可能会相信
1138	wife beating	殴打妻子
1139	is justified	有正当理由
1140	and more likely	更可能的话
1141	to have experienced	经历
1142	intimate	亲密
1143	part of violence	暴力的一部分
1144	i'd just like to finish	我想说完
1145	please guys	请各位
1146	i apologize	对不起
1147	can we at least agree	我们至少可以同意
1148	executing prisoners of war	处决战俘
1149	including young boys	包括男童在内
1150	carrying out ethnic cleansing	进行种族清洗
1151	of jews and christians	犹太人和基督教徒
1152	from the lands	从土地上
1153	or marrying	或结婚
1154	having sex with a little child	和小孩做爱
1155	when mohammed	当摩擦时
1156	was 53 years old	53岁
1157	can we at least	至少我们可以
1158	agree today	今天说好了
1159	mohammed was not	穆罕默德没有
1160	and is not	却不是
1161	the perfect example	完美的实例
1162	for mankind	对人类的影响
1163	nor is he	他也没有
1164	an exalted	一个崇高的,
1165	example	实例
1166	of moral excellence	道德卓越
1167	quite the opposite	相当相反
1168	in fact	其实
1169	because if we can't	因为如果我们不能
1170	agree this	同意这个
1171	then the west is right	那么,西方是正确的,
1172	to be suspicious	让人怀疑
1173	because of islam	因为伊斯拉姆
1174	because of what	因为什么
1175	the sacred text says	神圣的文字说
1176	because of how	因为如何
1177	millions of muslims	数百万穆斯林
1178	interpret the sacred text	解释神圣的文字
1179	因为Mohammed的生活
1180	is held up	被搁置
1181	as the perfect example	作为完美的例子
1182	not back then	那时不是
1183	but now	但现在
1184	for all muslims to follow	让所有穆斯林追随
1185	that's the problem	这就是问题所在
1186	they don't recognize	他们认不出
1187	any of the problems	任何问题
1188	and see anything wrong	并看到任何错误
1189	{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}那又怎样?
1190	so ladies and gentlemen	女士们,先生们
1191	if you care about gay rights	如果你关心同性恋的权利
1192	if you care about women's rights	如果你关心妇女的权利
1193	if you care about children's rights	如果你关心儿童的权利
1194	if you care about human rights	如果你关心人权
1195	or if you care about free speech	如果你在乎言论自由
1196	I urge you	我劝你
1197	to support this motion	支持这项动议
1198	I thank the honourable gentleman	感谢尊敬的先生
1199	for advancing the case	案件进展
1200	for the proposition	提议
1201	and I call upon	我呼吁
1202	Mr. Macadowd	马卡多德先生
1203	to continue the case	继续审理此案
1204	for the opposition	反对派代表
1205	okay	还好
1206	so	这样
1207	first of all I'd like to start	首先我想开始
1208	by thanking Oxford Union	感谢牛津联合会
1209	for inviting me to speak here	请我在这里发言
1210	I am	对
1211	truly honoured	非常荣幸
1212	and very grateful to be here	并非常感谢来到这里
1213	I never thought	我从没想过
1214	I'd be here	我会在这里
1215	to be honest	说实话
1216	I've met a new friend	我认识了一个新朋友
1217	雅各布·雷斯曼(英语:Jacob Reisman)
1218	so you know	这么说吧
1219	I've had a nice meal	我吃过一顿好饭
1220	some halal chicken	一些卤鸡
1221	which I'm sure Tommy enjoyed	我相信汤米喜欢
1222	um	垛
1223	so I'm just thanking the um	所以,我只是感谢 嗯,
1224	and Liam of course	当然还有利亚姆
1225	likes a bit of halal chicken now	现在喜欢一点卤鸡
1226	so	这样
1227	I know you do mate	我知道你会交配
1228	so	这样
1229	I'll just thank	我会谢谢你的
1230	I'll just take this opportunity	我会抓住这个机会的
1231	to thank you guys	谢谢你们
1232	so the real question	所以真正的问题
1233	I believe the first question was	我想第一个问题是
1234	is should the west	应该是西部
1235	be suspicious of Islam	怀疑伊斯兰教
1236	was that a question	那是个问题
1237	of the debate	辩论通知
1238	you're nodding your head	你在点头
1239	so it must be	所以这一定是
1240	hmm	垛
1241	right so	没错
1242	Tommy you've been	汤米,你一直
1243	wait	单
1244	I'm gonna know why I'm here	我要知道我为什么来这里
1245	but I'm gonna answer that	但我会回答
1246	Tommy's been saying the same thing	汤米也是这么说的
1247	for 15 years	15年)
1248	and still has to read it	还得读
1249	proven right	证明正确
1250	yeah	对
1251	you still have to read it	你还得读它
1252	so obviously	很明显
1253	you don't know your case that well	你不太了解你的情况
1254	so	这样
1255	point of order	程序问题
1256	proven right	证明正确
1257	yeah right gosh	是啊,对了,天哪
1258	well mate	好伙计
1259	so should the west	西方也应该如此
1260	be suspicious	可疑
1261	point of order	程序问题
1262	do you allow people	你允许别人
1263	to cut in	切进
1264	without permission	未经许可
1265	from the speaker	发言人的发言
1266	I think we ask	我想我们问
1267	that speeches be heard	听取演讲
1268	{\fn黑体\fs20\shad2\2aH82\3aH20\4aH33\fscx95\3cH592001\be1}有些礼貌的先生们
1269	if the point of information	如果信息点
1270	is declined	拒绝
1271	then please	那么请
1272	simply	简单
1273	allow the speaker	允许扬声器
1274	to continue	继续
1275	I don't mind taking questions	我不介意问问题
1276	well then	这么说吧
1277	it is for the speaker	是给发言者的
1278	to choose	选择
1279	whether a point of information	是否为信息点
1280	is accepted	已接受
1281	with that Mr Dow	跟那个杜先生
1282	please continue	请继续
1283	I haven't started yet	我还没开始呢
1284	give me a minute	给我一分钟
1285	right	对
1286	so	这样
1287	should the west	西方应该
1288	be suspicious of Islam	怀疑伊斯兰教
1289	well the truth for that is	事实就是
1290	it's gonna depend	它会取决于
1291	okay	还好
1292	it's gonna depend	它会取决于
1293	if you're invested in pornography	如果你被投资在色情
1294	if you're invested in alcohol	如果你投资酒精
1295	if you're invested in	如果你投资
1296	interest banking	利息银行业务
1297	if you're invested in	如果你投资
1298	drink drugs	喝药
1299	criminality	犯罪情况
1300	then probably you should	那也许你应该
1301	be suspicious of Islam	怀疑伊斯兰教
1302	because Islam	因为伊斯兰教
1303	has come as an alternative	作为替代方案
1304	way of life to that	生活方式的改变
1305	Islam	伊斯兰教
1306	what is it	这是什么
1307	could we add Judaism	能不能加上犹太教
1308	to that list	名单
1309	sure	当然
1310	okay	还好
1311	but you can't become a Jew	但你不能变成犹太人
1312	so	这样
1313	not very easily	没那么容易
1314	so	这样
1315	Islam has come as	伊斯兰教作为
1316	Islam has come	伊斯兰教来了
1317	as an option	作为选项
1318	an alternative	备选案文
1319	to those vices	这些恶习
1320	in this world	在这个世界上
1321	okay	还好
1322	the real question should be	真正的问题应该是
1323	should the west	西方应该
1324	be suspicious of Muslims	怀疑穆斯林吗?
1325	practicing Islam	信奉伊斯兰教
1326	in the west	在西部
1327	that's the question	这就是问题
1328	and why	以及为什么
1329	why would you be	你为什么
1330	because Tommy says so	因为汤米说
1331	because Tommy said	因为汤米说
1332	that you should be suspicious	你应该怀疑
1333	of this religion	该宗教
1334	and suspicious of practicing	和怀疑练习
1335	or	或
1336	I don't know	我不知道,你觉得呢?
1337	extreme Muslims	极端穆斯林
1338	okay	还好
1339	so let's talk a little bit	我们来谈谈吧
1340	about Tommy's credibility	关于汤米的可信度
1341	because Tommy has spent	因为汤米花了
1342	the last 15 years	过去15年
1343	of	页:1
1344	building his credibility	建立他的信誉
1345	upon being a white man	当一个白人
1346	from Luton	从卢顿
1347	and he's been	他一直以来
1348	go on	继续
1349	this is about	这是关于
1350	it's about	是关于
1351	I'm getting to it	我要开始
1352	alright sit down	好吧,坐下来
1353	sit down	坐下来
1354	the gentleman's made his point	先生说到做到
1355	please	请
1356	take a seat	请坐
1357	sit down	坐下来
1358	you lose credibility	你失去了信誉
1359	when you just left	你刚离开的时候
1360	are you in it as well	你也是一样
1361	the speaker will be heard	将听取发言者的发言。
1362	are you in it as well	你也是一样
1363	I don't mind	我无所谓
1364	taking out the lot of you mate	干掉你们这些家伙
1365	I don't mind	我无所谓
1366	it's not a problem	没关系
1367	listen	听着
1368	so	这样
1369	the credibility	信誉
1370	it's important to base	这对基地很重要
1371	the credibility	信誉
1372	okay	还好
1373	in the debate of course	当然,在辩论中
1374	it's important	这很重要
1375	gentlemen	先生们
1376	gentlemen please	先生们
1377	take your seats	请坐
1378	both of you gentlemen	两位先生
1379	he just said	他说
1380	he doesn't mind	他不会介意的
1381	taking us out	带我们出去
1382	so we have a Muslim again	我们又有了穆斯林
1383	yeah	对
1384	in the debate of course	当然,在辩论中
1385	Mr. Sacrodonte	萨克罗东特先生
1386	can I ask you	我可以问你
1387	just to take your seats	就是为了坐好
1388	Mr. Doward	多华德先生
1389	can I ask you	我可以问你
1390	to just stop speaking	停止说话
1391	for one second	一秒钟
1392	speakers will be heard	将听取发言者的发言。
1393	with courtesy	礼貌
1394	if a point of information	如果有一个信息点
1395	is offered	提供
1396	and it is in decline	它正在下降,
1397	can I please ask	我可以问
1398	that you allow the speaker	允许发言者发言
1399	to continue	继续
1400	equally may I say	我也可以这么说
1401	to the speaker	致发言者
1402	it is accepted	已经接受
1403	the points of information	资料要点
1404	will be taken	将取
1405	during your speech	在你的演讲中
1406	I've took about	我开始
1407	four or five so far	4个或5个
1408	I understand that sir	我明白,长官
1409	and with that	和这个
1410	I will ask the speaker	我会问发言人
1411	to continue	继续
1412	gentlemen	先生们
1413	can I please ask	我可以问
1414	no interjections	无插头
1415	other than points of information	除信息点外
1416	point of order	程序问题
1417	chair	椅子
1418	point of orders	命令点
1419	which you briefed us	你向我们介绍的
1420	must be taken	必须取用
1421	a threat to take out	威胁取出
1422	people on the other side	在另一边的人
1423	is unacceptable	无法接受
1424	totally	完全没有
1425	and should be	并且应该
1426	dealt with	处理
1427	Mr. Doward	多华德先生
1428	have you made	你已经做了
1429	such a threat	这种威胁
1430	and if so	如果有的话
1431	I must ask you	我必须问你
1432	to withdraw	撤销
1433	it was a threat	是个威胁
1434	within the debate	在辩论期间
1435	to take them	把他们带走
1436	within the debate	在辩论期间
1437	because we're in a debating forum	因为我们是在辩论论坛
1438	Mr. Doward	多华德先生
1439	can I ask you	我可以问你
1440	can I ask you in that case	我可以问你在这种情况下
1441	to moderate your language	以温和语言
1442	I tell you what	我告诉你
1443	I will retract that statement	我要收回那句话
1444	and avoid the misunderstanding	并避免误解
1445	I will retract what I said	我收回我说的话
1446	if that's a doable thing	如果这是件可以做的事
1447	right	对
1448	so let me get on	所以,让我上去
1449	he's built his credibility	他已经建立了他的可信度
1450	from coming from Luton	从卢顿来的
1451	and telling people	并告诉人们
1452	that Luton is now	卢顿现在
1453	a Muslim run town	穆斯林乡镇
1454	predominantly	主要为
1455	it has	它已经
1456	40 something mosques	40个清真寺
1457	it has some extremist mosques	它有一些极端的清真寺
1458	and extremists	极端主义分子
1459	sharia run courts	伊斯兰宗教法院
1460	but	不过
1461	I'm also from Luton	我也是路顿人
1462	you know	你知道吗
1463	and I've also been in Luton	我也去过卢顿
1464	for 56 years	56岁
1465	I was born there	我在那里出生过
1466	and I'm still there	我还在
1467	I'm still living	我还活着
1468	on the manor	在庄园里
1469	as far as I know	据我所知
1470	Tommy hasn't lived there	汤米没有住过那里
1471	for at least 10 years	至少10年的保险金
1472	I believe now	我现在相信了
1473	he lives in Spain	他住在西班牙 他住在西班牙 住在西班牙
1474	like most good patriots do	就像大多数爱国者一样
1475	they move on to Spain	他们去西班牙
1476	so let's talk a little bit	我们来谈谈吧
1477	about Tommy's time	关于汤米的时间
1478	in Luton	在卢顿
1479	because it's	因为它是
1480	I'm not going to do	我不会那么做的
1481	anymore with you	与你相爱
1482	so talking about	所以说
1483	his little bit of time	他的一点时间
1484	that he had in Luton	他在卢顿有
1485	it's well documented	证据确凿
1486	that Tommy was in	汤米在
1487	the Luton firm	卢顿公司
1488	sorry	对不起
1489	point of information	信息点
1490	this debate	本次辩论
1491	is not about	无关
1492	Tommy Robinson	汤米·罗宾逊
1493	what he does	他的功劳
1494	in his free time	在他的空闲时间
1495	what he thinks	他的心思,他觉得
1496	right	对
1497	it's about whether	这是关于是否
1498	the West	西部
1499	should be suspicious	应该是可疑的
1500	of Islam	联合国
1501	he's the one	他就是那个
1502	telling the West	告诉西方
1503	to be suspicious	让人怀疑
1504	of Islam	联合国
1505	so it's important	所以这很重要
1506	that I take	我选择
1507	his credibility	他的信誉
1508	about how to say that	关于如何说
1509	okay	还好
1510	the arguments	论点
1511	that he had	他拥有
1512	in Luton	在卢顿
1513	while he was in the MiGs	在米格队的时候
1514	which was the	这是
1515	Luton town football	卢顿镇足球
1516	firm	强
1517	gang whatever it is	不论它是什么
1518	most towns and cities	大多数城镇
1519	have them	有他们
1520	okay	还好
1521	that's what his time	这就是他的时间
1522	there was other gangs	还有其他帮派
1523	in Luton	在卢顿
1524	wasn't the only one	不是唯一的一个
1525	no	无
1526	there was other gangs	还有其他帮派
1527	in Luton	在卢顿
1528	one of them was called	其中一个叫
1529	the Gambinos	甘比诺人
1530	one of them was called	其中一个叫
1531	the Yellows	黄色
1532	I know these are ridiculous	我知道这很荒谬
1533	names	名称
1534	but we are talking	但我们在谈论
1535	ridiculous people	荒谬的人
1536	in these gangs	在黑帮里
1537	at the time	当时
1538	let me finish please	请让我说完
1539	okay	还好
1540	so I've taken a few	所以我拿了几个
1541	points of information	资料要点
1542	you just seem to	你只是看起来
1543	do it now	现在就动手
1544	just to stifle	只是为了扼杀
1545	because no	因为没有
1546	I'm not taking	我不会拿
1547	any from you	任何从你
1548	okay	还好
1549	the problems	问题
1550	that these gangs had	这些帮派有
1551	as Tommy would say	汤米会说
1552	it was either	也一样
1553	religious	宗教
1554	and or racial	或种族
1555	between Pakistanis	巴基斯坦人之间
1556	and his	他的电话
1557	football guys	足球员
1558	was really not racial	其实不是种族
1559	it wasn't racial	不是种族的
1560	it wasn't religious	这不是宗教
1561	it was normally	本来是
1562	like most gangs	像大多数帮派
1563	supply and demand	供应和需求
1564	or product	或产品
1565	okay	还好
1566	that's what it comes down to	就是这样
1567	Tommy would also	汤米也会
1568	say that there was	说有
1569	an extremist group	极端主义团体
1570	in Luton	在卢顿
1571	no	无
1572	there was an extremist	有一个极端分子
1573	组在 Luton
1574	名为 Al Majeroun
1575	I agree with him	我同意他的意见
1576	it was an extremist group	是个极端组织
1577	and I made my	我做了一个
1578	opposition to this group	反对此团体
1579	vocal at that time	当时的声音
1580	when they was there	当他们在那里
1581	you know	你知道吗
1582	but even a broken	连破碎的
1583	clock can be right	时钟可以对
1584	twice a day	每天两次
1585	this group was tiny	这群人很小
1586	it was eight strong	是八强
1587	at most	最多时
1588	with maybe	也许
1589	eight hangers ons	挂着8个吊架
1590	one foot in	进一英尺
1591	one foot out	一尺长
1592	they were barred	他们被禁止
1593	from every mosque	从每个清真寺
1594	I knew	我早知道会这样
1595	I don't know	我不知道,你觉得呢?
1596	all of the mosques	所有清真寺
1597	but they were barred	但他们是被禁止的,
1598	from every mosque	从每个清真寺
1599	that I knew	и笵
1600	most of the shops	大部分店铺
1601	in the town	在镇上
1602	the Muslim shops	穆斯林商店
1603	they didn't want to	他们不想
1604	let them in either	让他们进来
1605	but the amplification	但放大时
1606	of their message	他们的致辞
1607	was done by the media	由媒体完成的
1608	the media would go	媒体会去
1609	to the	页:1
1610	predominantly Muslim	主要为穆斯林
1611	populated area	居民区
1612	in Luton	在卢顿
1613	called Berry Park	贝里公园
1614	they'd walk down there	他们走在下面
1615	with a camera	带相机
1616	they'd stick it	他们会坚持下去的
1617	in front of these guys	在这些人面前
1618	and they would be	他们将会
1619	straight in front of it	直冲它前
1620	it wasn't no	不是没有
1621	it was amplified	被放大过
1622	deliberately to cause	故意导致
1623	friction between communities	社区之间的摩擦
1624	that small	这么小
1625	extremist group	极端主义团体
1626	doesn't exist anymore	已经不存在了
1627	I believe they've been disbanded	我相信他们已经解散了
1628	and they don't	他们不会
1629	they don't even hang around	他们甚至不闲逛
1630	with each other anymore	# 彼此之间已经彼此 #
1631	I could tell you	我可以告诉你
1632	yes	对
1633	okay	还好
1634	if	若为
1635	you consume booths	消耗摊位
1636	you consume drugs	你吸毒吗?
1637	and if you lend money	如果你借钱
1638	no	无
1639	I said if you invested in	我说如果你投资
1640	because Islam	因为伊斯兰教
1641	has come as an	已经作为一个
1642	alternate choice to that	备选选择
1643	Islam	伊斯兰教
1644	Islam has come	伊斯兰教来了
1645	as an alternate	作为候补
1646	way of life to that	生活方式的改变
1647	I think I explained it	我想我解释过了
1648	when I mentioned	当我提到
1649	it the first time	这是第一次
1650	there's a lot more	还有很多
1651	I want to tell you	我想告诉你
1652	time does not permit	时间不允许
1653	me to speak here	我在这里说话
1654	for an hour	一小时
1655	so obviously	很明显
1656	I can't go into	我不能进去
1657	detail about everything	一切细节
1658	I know in detail	我详细知道
1659	about this group	关于这组
1660	of Al-Majroon	马杰龙先生
1661	because I was one	因为我是一个
1662	of the trusted go-betweens	被信任的中间者,
1663	from mosques in Luton	从卢顿的清真寺
1664	that was trying	刚刚在尝试
1665	to get them	为了得到他们
1666	to stop talking	停止说话
1667	as P says	如P所说
1668	a lot of the time	很多时候
1669	there's not enough	还不够
1670	calling out of Muslims	呼唤出穆斯林
1671	in the public	在公众中
1672	but it is	但这是
1673	it does happen	它确实发生了
1674	there was 500 mosques	有500个清真寺
1675	that	那个
1676	written email	写入电子邮件
1677	condemning the	谴责
1678	grooming gangs	培养帮派
1679	but it never really	但它从来没有真正
1680	got out there	出来了
1681	and they all done that	他们都这样做了
1682	okay	还好
1683	they done that	他们这么做了
1684	years ago	数年前
1685	I think it's 2013	我觉得是2013年了
1686	anyway	无论如何
1687	these mosques in Luton	卢顿的清真寺
1688	was a go-between	是一个中间
1689	between the Al-Majroon	阿勒马龙之间
1690	group and the mosque	团体和清真寺
1691	was me	曾经是我
1692	because I was a trusted	因为我被信任
1693	go-between	间距
1694	even though I was	虽然我是
1695	anti this group	反此组
1696	they still trusted	他们仍然信任
1697	me to go between them	我走在他们中间
1698	and I know that most	我知道大多数
1699	of Luton	卢顿
1700	didn't want them there	不想他们在那里
1701	it wasn't the case	事实并非如此
1702	like I said	就像我说的
1703	I would	我会
1704	love to say more	爱说更多
1705	there's a lot more beans	还有很多豆子
1706	that I could spill	我可以倾泻
1707	to be quite honest with you	跟你说实话
1708	so let me give you	让我给你
1709	a version of Luton	卢顿的版本
1710	that I recognise	我承认
1711	Tommy has a version	汤米有一个版本
1712	of Luton	卢顿
1713	that he recognises	他承认
1714	Tommy has a version	汤米有一个版本
1715	of Luton	卢顿
1716	that he recognises	他承认
1717	let me give you	让我给你
1718	a couple of points	几个点
1719	of the Luton	卢顿号
1720	that I recognise	我承认
1721	and I'll firstly	我将首先
1722	go back to	继续
1723	the first lockdown	第一次封锁
1724	in Covid	在科维德
1725	where	地点
1726	everyone was	每个人都是
1727	social distancing	社会疏远
1728	and taking it seriously	并认真对待它
1729	and everything else	还有其他一切
1730	there was a	有一个
1731	Muslim charity	穆斯林慈善组织
1732	in Luton	在卢顿
1733	and it's still there actually	其实还在那里
1734	there was a	有一个
1735	Muslim charity	穆斯林慈善组织
1736	in Luton	在卢顿
1737	I was volunteering for them	我是为他们志愿的
1738	because I was off work	因为我下班了
1739	for a few weeks	几个星期
1740	due to the building site	由于建筑工地
1741	shutting down	关闭
1742	we were handing out	我们当时正在分发
1743	food packs	食品包
1744	Muslims were coming	穆斯林来了
1745	and handing in food	并交出食物
1746	and or	或为
1747	giving us money	给我们钱
1748	to buy food	买食物
1749	from supermarkets	从超市
1750	and whatever	不管怎么样
1751	I'm going to say	我要说
1752	99%
1753	but it's more realistically	但更现实一点
1754	100%
1755	but I'll say	但我会说
1756	99%
1757	the food packs	食品包装
1758	that I personally handed out	我亲自发的
1759	were to white	变成白色
1760	old age pensioners	养老金领取者
1761	that lived in	住在这里的人
1762	old age pensioner homes	养老院
1763	or care homes	或护理院
1764	I never once	我从来没有一次
1765	handed it out to	交给了
1766	a Muslim family	穆斯林家庭
1767	a Polish family	波兰家庭
1768	or any other	或任何其他
1769	but it was purely	但它纯粹是
1770	white old age pensioners	白人老年养恤金领取者
1771	what was charity?	什么是慈善事业?
1772	what charity?	什么慈善事业?
1773	a crisis aid	危机援助
1774	and it's still there	还在那里
1775	it's in Sundon Park	在山东公园
1776	right	对
1777	so it's still there	所以还在那里
1778	the charity	慈善事业
1779	so we was handing out	所以,我们发了出去
1780	these things	这些东西
1781	I remember	我记得
1782	one 90 year old man	一个90岁的老人
1783	he had to buzz me	他只好给我打电话
1784	into his care home	进入他的疗养院
1785	and I put the	我将
1786	bags outside	外包装
1787	and had to step up	并不得不站起来
1788	the hallway	大厅
1789	because there was	因为有
1790	social distancing	社会疏远
1791	he come out	他出来了
1792	buckled in half	系好安全带
1793	I tried to speak to him	我试着跟他说话
1794	he told me	他告诉我
1795	I've got cancer	我有癌症
1796	I'm 93 years old	我93岁了
1797	and I'm going to die soon	我马上就要死了
1798	and none of my family	也没有我的家人
1799	speak to me	跟我说话
1800	none of my family	没有我的家人
1801	help me	帮帮我
1802	this is the Islam	这是伊斯兰教
1803	in Luton that I recognise	在鲁顿,我认识
1804	let me give you	让我给你
1805	another one	又一个
1806	I was in Farley Hill	我在费利山
1807	not opposite the parrot pub	不对着鹦鹉酒吧
1808	that Tommy would have remembered	汤米会记得
1809	okay	还好
1810	there was a care home	有个护理院
1811	I was working there	我当时在那里工作
1812	for BTS the council	为了BTS,理事会
1813	what	什麽
1814	and do you understand	难道你们知道吗?
1815	that the speaker	发言者
1816	was confused about	被迷惑的关于
1817	the immersion	浸润
1818	yeah	对
1819	I'm not confused	我没搞错
1820	I know	и笵
1821	I'm talking about Islam	我说的是伊斯兰教
1822	if you remember	如果你记得
1823	I've said Islam	我说伊斯兰教
1824	quite a lot in my talk	我谈了很多
1825	okay	还好
1826	don't stand up	别站起来
1827	for a point of	关于一点
1828	because I'm done	因为我说完了
1829	with you now	与你现在
1830	yeah	对
1831	so listen	听着
1832	so I was working	所以我在工作时
1833	at this care home	在这家护理院
1834	I was working at this	我在做这个
1835	care home	家庭护理
1836	and a taxi come	出租车来了
1837	pulling in	停车
1838	okay	还好
1839	I noticed	我发现
1840	that one of the women	一个女人
1841	was in the	当时在
1842	in the passenger seat	在乘客座位上
1843	she clearly was distressed	她显然很伤心
1844	this big fat	这个大胖子
1845	Pakistani brother	巴基斯坦兄弟
1846	with a big black beard	长着大黑胡子
1847	jumped out	跳出来
1848	opened the car door	打开车门
1849	she had fallen over	她掉下来了
1850	in the street	在街道上
1851	he'd picked her up	他把她捡起来
1852	put her in the car	让她上车
1853	and he'd brought her	他带她来了
1854	back to the	回到原点
1855	care home	家庭护理
1856	he was literally in tears	他实际上在泪中
1857	he wanted my number	他想要我的号码
1858	he wanted to go to the hospital	他想去医院
1859	why are you suspicious	你为什么怀疑?
1860	of these people	这些人
1861	who are these people	这些人是谁
1862	do suspicious of	进行怀疑
1863	who are these people	这些人是谁
1864	to be suspicious of	来怀疑
1865	okay	还好
1866	Tommy is desperate	汤米很绝望
1867	to make connections	用于连接
1868	between crime	犯罪之间
1869	and Islam	伊斯兰
1870	especially when it comes	特别是当它来临的时候
1871	to SA crimes	对南非犯罪
1872	he desperate to make	他急着想做
1873	this connection	此连接
1874	between the crime	犯罪之间
1875	and Islam	伊斯兰
1876	even though nobody	虽然没有人
1877	that commits these crimes	犯下这些罪行的人
1878	says that they did it	说他们做到了
1879	because of Islam	因为伊斯兰教
1880	but when it comes to	但当它涉及到
1881	Muslims that do good things	做好事的穆斯林教徒们
1882	NHS 工人
1883	doctors	医生
1884	nurses	护士
1885	charity care sector workers	慈善护理部门工作人员
1886	which Islam is	伊斯兰教是
1887	over represented	任职人数偏高
1888	in those areas	这些领域
1889	never	永远
1890	does he want to make	他想让
1891	the connection between	连接
1892	Muslims doing good deeds	穆斯林的善行
1893	and Islam	伊斯兰
1894	it's only	只不过
1895	no I told you already	不,我告诉过你
1896	never	永远
1897	does he make the	他是否创造了
1898	connection between	连接
1899	Muslims doing good deeds	穆斯林的善行
1900	and Islam	伊斯兰
1901	in fact actually	其实
1902	when you ask these	当你问这些
1903	doctors, nurses,	医生、护士
1904	care workers	护理人员
1905	charity sector workers	慈善部门工作者
1906	why do you do it	你为什么这么做?
1907	they'll say because	他们会说,因为
1908	my religion tells me	我的信仰告诉我
1909	to be a good person	做一个好人
1910	my religion tells me	我的信仰告诉我
1911	to be in service	现职
1912	of the people	大 会
1913	he doesn't want to hear that	他不想听这个
1914	he just wants to paint	他只是想画画
1915	this picture	这张照片
1916	you cannot serve	您无法服务
1917	two masters	两个师父
1918	you can only be	你只能这样
1919	loyal to one master	忠于一个主人
1920	and I tell you now	我现在告诉你
1921	without any hesitation	毫不犹豫
1922	my master is Allah	我师父是阿拉
1923	la ilaha illallah	拉伊拉哈犹太教
1924	there is no god	没有神
1925	worthy of worship	值得我们敬拜
1926	except Allah	惟有真主(真主),
1927	okay	还好
1928	but my god tells me	但我的神告诉我
1929	how to serve you	如何为您服务
1930	my god tells me	我的上帝告诉我
1931	how to serve you	如何为您服务
1932	okay	还好
1933	so I don't	所以我没有
1934	I can be in service	我可以服务
1935	I don't care if you're	我不管你会不会
1936	Muslim, non-Muslim	穆斯林、非穆斯林
1937	black, white, fat,	黑、白、胖,
1938	thin, short, tall	瘦,矮,高
1939	I don't care	我无所谓
1940	I will serve you	我会为你效劳
1941	because my religion	因为我的宗教
1942	and my master	和我师父
1943	Allah tells me	阿拉告诉我
1944	how to be in service	如何服役
1945	to my community	对我的社区
1946	no	无
1947	I will give you many	我会给你很多
1948	Mr Jones Lyons	琼斯·里昂斯先生
1949	thank you	谢谢
1950	I've done more than two	我做了两个以上
1951	I will give you	我会给你
1952	multiple examples	多个实例
1953	I will give you	我会给你
1954	multiple examples	多个实例
1955	of Muslims	穆斯林组织
1956	people that have	拥有
1957	changed their lives	改变了他们的生活
1958	and become better	变得更好
1959	fathers	父亲
1960	better husbands	老公好一点
1961	better community	更好的社区
1962	members	成员
1963	better people	更强的人
1964	in society	在社会中
1965	better daughters	更好的女儿们
1966	better wives	更好的妻子们
1967	better people	更强的人
1968	in society	在社会中
1969	because they've accepted	因为他们接受了
1970	Islam	伊斯兰教
1971	some of them	其中一些
1972	are sitting in this	坐在这
1973	room today	今天的房间
1974	maybe I could put	也许我可以放
1975	myself in that	我在这
1976	category as well	类别
1977	why are you suspicious	你为什么怀疑?
1978	of these people	这些人
1979	Islam has only	伊斯兰教只有
1980	ever brought good	曾经带来好的
1981	to them	给他们的
1982	and made them	并创造了它们
1983	better citizens	改善公民状况
1984	why would you	你为什么
1985	be suspicious	可疑
1986	and of course	当然
1987	yes you can yawn	对,你可以打哈欠
1988	you know this is	你知道这是
1989	this is what you do	这就是你的工作
1990	it's not a problem	没关系
1991	I'm not here for you	我不是为你来的
1992	yeah and it's past mine too	是啊,它已经过了我的了
1993	okay	还好
1994	of course I want	我当然想要
1995	to spread Islam	传播伊斯兰教
1996	who would I be	我会是谁
1997	if I had the truth	如果我有事实
1998	and didn't want to	却不想
1999	share it with you people	和你们分享吧
2000	who would I be	我会是谁
2001	if I knew that Islam	如果我知道伊斯兰教
2002	or believed at least	或至少认为
2003	that Islam was the truth	伊斯兰教是事实
2004	and I didn't want to	我本来不想
2005	share it with you people	和你们分享吧
2006	because I thought	因为我想
2007	it was the best thing	这是最好的事情
2008	if I had a big plate	如果我有一个大盘
2009	of food	粮食
2010	and you was hungry	你饿了
2011	and it costs me nothing	我一无所有
2012	to give you food	给你食物
2013	it costs me nothing	我一无所有
2014	no it costs me	不费我钱
2015	nothing to give you food	没什么好给你吃的
2016	why would I not	为什么不呢?
2017	give you food	给你食物
2018	why	为什么
2019	I don't want to	我不想这样
2020	do any poor	做任何穷人
2021	points of call	呼叫点
2022	you was	你曾经是
2023	do not make your life	不要让你的生活
2024	site	站点
2025	yeah	对
2026	gentleman	先生们
2027	no there isn't	没有
2028	gentleman	先生们
2029	gentlemen please	先生们
2030	please	请
2031	允许Medower先生
2032	to finish	结束
2033	he's declined the	他拒绝了
2034	point of information	信息点
2035	that's enough	够了
2036	that's enough I've said that's enough the speakers on this side have been	我已经说够了 这边的发言者已经够了
2037	egregious in a tap on the yes it's been a constant it's okay	在水龙头上惊人的,是的 它一直是一个常数,没关系的。
2038	can the chair please take some action	请主席采取一些行动
2039	okay thank you I work better under pressure	好的,谢谢,在压力下工作更好
2040	I work better under pressure if I can ask you to stop one second	如果能让你停一下 我压力下工作更好
2041	I thank the honorable general from that point of order I think on both sides	感谢尊贵的将军 从这个秩序,我想在双方
2042	there have been unwarranted interjections	有不必要的插座
2043	a point of order if declined please take your seat again	如果拒绝,请坐
2044	do not continue to interject I will say to the honorable gentleman I have seen	不要继续插嘴 我会对见过的尊敬的先生说
2045	that from both sides this evening it is not as he puts it on one side only	从双方今晚 它不是像他把它只放在一边
2046	on both sides the point of information is declined please take your seat again	双方拒绝通知 请再次请就座
2047	Mr. Doward please continue okay so why would I not want to spread Islam	Doward先生,请继续说,为什么我不想传播伊斯兰教?
2048	why would I wish that I could take my heart and give it to you people for a	为什么我会希望我能把我的心 献给你们
2049	minute so you could taste the sweetness of Iman and then you	一分钟就能尝到伊曼的甜味 然后你
2050	would never be suspicious of Muslims again	再也不会怀疑穆斯林了
2051	there is not a single head on anyone's hair	头发上没有一根头
2052	that I would touch unjustly and that's inside and outside of this hall	我会不公正地触摸... ... ......
2053	that I mean no harm to anybody I will defend myself if I have to	我意思是不会伤害任何人... ...如果我必须...
2054	but no Muslim that I know thinks like that either why wouldn't I want to share	但我知道没有穆斯林会这样认为 为什么我不想分享
2055	that where is the problem with that I want my friend here my colleague is	问题在哪里 我要我的朋友在这里 我的同事是
2056	going to deal with the age of Aisha I dealt with it for 10 or 11 minutes on	面对艾莎的时代 我花了10到11分钟
2057	Liam's podcast so I don't think that I need to um go into that again my friend	利亚姆的播客,所以我不认为我需要 um去再次,我的朋友
2058	will deal with that okay you mentioned the verse in the Quran	你提到《古兰经》中的诗句,
2059	about pre-bubescent women being married it's not true okay if you knew what you	早熟女人结婚的事... ...如果你知道什么就不是真的
2060	were talking about you wouldn't have said it the word that's used	在谈论你不会说这个词
2061	for the for the female in the Quran is a word that's used for women	在《古兰经》中,对于女性来说,这是一个对妇女有益的词。
2062	that ayah of the Quran was revealed because a man come to ask the prophet	《古兰经》的启示是:有人来问先知,
2063	what how do I divorce my wife if she does not have periods	我老婆没有月经,我怎么离婚?
2064	because she is past the age of period she's a mature woman	因为她已经过年了,她是个成熟的女人
2065	that's what that was for then the verse was revealed	这就是当时的诗句被揭示
2066	no that's not that's that's what it is you're not an expert on the Quran	不,不是的,你不是《古兰经》专家
2067	you're not an expert on Islam you you present yourself to be an expert to	你不是伊斯兰教专家 你把自己表现成专家
2068	people that don't know any better but you're not talking to those people	不认识的人,但你没跟他们说话
2069	no no more points of information no more information we talk about	没有更多的信息点 没有我们谈论的信息
2070	we talk about I'll be one second yeah one minute we talk about reform they	我们谈一下,我马上就到 我们谈改革,他们
2071	took about want to reform Islam how dare he how dare they and how	想要改革伊斯兰教 他怎么敢和他们
2072	dare he say a man that is ignorant within the	他敢说一个无知的人
2073	religion of Islam talk about reforming of Islam okay	伊斯兰宗教谈论改革伊斯兰教,好吗?
2074	his people that come to talk here are people of intelligence people of	他的人来到这里说话 是情报人士
2075	professorships people that are intellects in their field this man is	教授职位的人,在他们的领域是知识 这个人是
2076	not an intellect in the field or authority in the field of Islam	伊斯兰领域的知识或权威
2077	and his presence about talking about Islam is a disservice to this place	而他在场谈论伊斯兰教 对这个地方有害
2078	I thank the honorable gentleman for that speech advancing the opposition	感谢这位光荣的绅士 推动反对派的演讲
2079	I call upon Mr Lawrence Fox to continue the case for the proposition	我呼吁劳伦斯·福克斯先生继续讨论
2080	do I need to raise this up or is it suitably	我需要提这个还是适当?
2081	在Neville Chamberlain之前为Luton社区增加服务
2082	flew to Germany to appease Adolf Hitler he said European peace is what I'm	飞到德国安抚阿道夫・希特勒 他说欧洲和平就是我
2083	aiming at and I hope this journey may open the way to get it	希望这趟旅程能打开通路
2084	and here we are eight seven years later and	我们在这里是八 七年后,
2085	European peace and peace in the west is being threatened again	欧洲西部的和平与和平再次受到威胁
2086	upon his return from Germany with his piece of paper	他从德国回来时拿着他的纸
2087	Chamberlain said we are resolved that the method of consultation	张伯伦说我们决定协商的方法
2088	shall be the method adopted to deal with any other questions that may concern our	应作为处理可能与我们有关的任何其他问题的方法。
2089	two countries and 338 days later Britain was at war	两国和338天后英国交战
2090	with Germany so this morning I was thinking about	今早我在想
2091	this debate and the worthiness of consultation	B. 本次辩论和磋商的价值
2092	which Chamberlain invoked and the motion this house believes the west is right to	张伯伦引用了这个动议 这房子相信西部是正确的
2093	be suspicious of Islam and then I started thinking about a	怀疑伊斯兰教 然后我开始想
2094	cartoon that I have here in this envelope it's a	我在这信封里的卡通画是
2095	cartoon which	漫画
2096	think it instills in me feelings much much more worrying than suspicion but you	感觉比怀疑更让人担心 但你
2097	know in the spirit of consultation I'll just leave it here for the moment if	本着协商的精神 我暂时留在这儿
2098	we're okay with that so first let us start with the word suspicion there was	我们同意,所以首先让我们从怀疑这个词开始
2099	a minority going back to Chamberlain and that brilliant foreign policy there was	少数回张伯伦 和辉煌的外交政策 在那里
2100	a minority who were gravely suspicious of fascism leading up to the Second	极怀疑法西斯主义的少数人,
2101	World War and were very vocal in that suspicion who thought that Chamberlain's	这场世界大战 和在怀疑中非常响亮 谁认为张伯伦的
2102	policy was just wrong that far from being the peace in our time he promised	政策是错的 远非我们时代的和平
2103	our appeasement would only serve to embolden Hitler one of those who faced	我们的绥靖只会给希特勒一个 面对的人注入勇气
2104	the most criticism for his prescience suspicious prescience perhaps was	对他科学前可疑科学的最批评或许是
2105	Winston Churchill he saw fascism for what it was an existential threat to the	温斯顿·丘吉尔 他看到了法西斯主义 对生存的威胁
2106	West no one needs a history lesson from me but it is possibly worth noting now	西方人不需要我教训 但是现在也许值得注意
2107	especially here and thanks to our lovely friends outside that it is	特别是这里 感谢我们外面的可爱朋友
2108	perfectly acceptable and actively encouraged in every school university TV	每个学校的大学电视台都完全可以接受和积极鼓励
2109	channel and media organization across the West to be suspicious of fascism in	整个西方的频道和媒体组织 怀疑法西斯主义
2110	fact if we listen to our friends outside that's not enough you've got to be an	如果我们在外边听朋友的话 那还不够,你必须成为一个
2111	anti-fascist you've got to take direct action against fascism Chamberlain today	反法西斯 今天你必须直接对法西斯张伯伦采取行动
2112	just seems like a moronic simpleton to me so perhaps the deaths of millions	对我来说就像个蠢货 所以也许数百万人的死亡
2113	of people could have been avoided if only Churchill's suspicion had been	如果只有丘吉尔的怀疑是能够避免的
2114	heeded that his perspective acknowledged but he stood alone whilst the train	他意识到自己的观点,但他独自站在火车上
2115	continued to hurtle towards us because we didn't want to upset anybody it is an	继续伤害我们 因为我们不想惹恼任何人
2116	entirely natural and positive human instinct to be suspicious of many	完全自然而积极的人类本能 对许多人产生怀疑
2117	things from teaching our children not to get in cars with strangers to friends	从教孩子不要和陌生人上车到朋友
2118	checking in on each other when one is going on a date with a new person for	什么时候和新人约会?
2119	the first time suspicion is healthy it sparks in every single sinew of our	第一次怀疑是健康的 它在我们每一个角落都点燃
2120	being it is the product of generational generational caution in pursuit of	是代代相传的产物
2121	survival it's central to our very fundamentalist of instincts it isn't	生存是本能论的核心
2122	prejudice is prudence suspicion isn't hatred either it's pattern recognition	偏见是谨慎的怀疑 不是仇恨,也不是模式上的承认
2123	and I would like to make it clear at this point I would like to thank you so	我想在此表明这一点,我想感谢你
2124	much for inviting us to have this debate and I know you've struggled so much with	非常感谢你邀请我们举行这场辩论 我知道你已经挣扎了这么多
2125	people trying to cancel you and I know exactly what that feels like so thank	人们试图取消你... ...我知道那种感觉
2126	you so much yes I think I would like to make it very clear that I am NOT here to	是的,我想说得很清楚 我不是来这的
2127	express suspicions of individual Muslims at all there are many Muslims including	对穆斯林个人表示怀疑,实际上有许多穆斯林,其中包括:
2128	within my own family who I love deeply and as a Christian I am commanded to	我深爱的家庭 作为基督徒,我奉命
2129	love my neighbor and to pray for my enemy it is my most strongly held belief	爱我的邻居 为我的敌人祈祷 这是我最坚定的信念
2130	on this planet that every single human life is sacred and all lives matter but	在这个星球上,每个人的生命都是神圣的,所有的生命都很重要
2131	I am NOT I am absolutely not and I will not be commanded to love or submit to	我不是我绝对不是,我也不会被命令去爱或顺从
2132	ideas or ideologies as it was mentioned earlier as Jesus said render to Caesar	正如耶稣所说 向凯撒表达的
2133	within one directive he created the separation between church and state	在一个指令中 他创造了教会和国家之间的分离
2134	which is which in Islam does not exist which literally in well Islam literally	伊斯兰教中不存在的
2135	means submission so there is no church there is no state there is only Islam my	表示屈服 所以没有教会 没有州 只有伊斯兰教是我的
2136	suspicion of Islam therefore is strongly and I think reasonably held	因此,对伊斯兰教的怀疑是强烈的。
2137	Islam is a comprehensive social political and military doctrine which	伊斯兰教是一种全面的社会政治和军事学说,
2138	leaves no part of its followers lives untouched as Andrew Hussey the British	像英国人安德鲁·胡赛一样, 任何一部分的追随者都无法幸免
2139	historian says Islam is more closely resembles a ruthlessly efficient war	历史学家说伊斯兰教更像一场残酷高效的战争
2140	machine than a religion Islam is borderless expansionary and interested	伊斯兰教是无疆界的扩张主义,
2141	only in submission to Allah and then for us unfortunate well for some of us	只有归顺真主,然后,我们中有一部分人,将受亏枉,
2142	unfortunate non-believers we're given three choices information when was the	不幸的不信仰者 我们得到了三个选择信息 当是
2143	last time there was a jihad declared against a foreign government and the	上次发生圣战,反对外国政府和
2144	expansion of Muslim lands into non-muslim lands when was the last time	最后一次将穆斯林土地扩展为非穆斯林土地
2145	what's that got to do with what I'm talking about you said that's a military war machine it's been	这和我说的有关系吗?
2146	around for quite a long time a point of order has been raised	很久以来,一个秩序问题被提出来
2147	I thank the ex-president for his I'm not sure that's a point of I'm also as people	感谢前任总统,我不确定我是否也是人
2148	may or may not have noticed I'm not into I'm not an Islamic scholar and I'm not	可能或者没有注意到 我不是伊斯兰学者
2149	into giving you a history lesson about the Quran but I will give you a history	我以《古兰经》为你们的教诲,我将以一部经典赏赐你们,
2150	lesson to the bits of the Quran that I understand and the bits of Islam I	教训我理解的《古兰经》和伊斯兰教
2151	understand through those that I love and from my readings so Islam gives you	通过我爱的人和我的阅读来理解伊斯兰教
2152	three options as far as I can tell as a Westerner submit pay the jizya the tax	就我所知 西方人有三种选择 交税给Jizya
2153	which institutionalizes inferior status for non-muslims in Islamic states or	将非伊斯兰国家的低等地位制度化;
2154	excuse me excuse me three war with Muslims right notably within those three	打扰一下,我和穆斯林开过三场战争
2155	options that Islam offers you there is not one option which is let's live in	伊斯兰教给你的选择 没有一个选择
2156	peaceful coexistence as equals in a pluralistic society not once not once	在一个多元社会中平等和平共处,而不是一次
2157	does it say I'm certain you are aware that there is an entire chapter in the	上面写着... ...你一定知道... ...
2158	Quran a chapter called oh disbelievers the final line of that verse in the	《古兰经》中有一章说:不信道的人们,
2159	Quran is to use your faith and to me is mine are you aware of that chapter in	《古兰经》是用你的信仰,而对于我来说,是属于我的,你知道其中的一章,
2160	the Quran and are you aware of the teachings of tolerance the Quran and	《古兰经》和《古兰经》的教诲,对于你们是彻知的。
2161	the Sunnah have taught us for centuries I'm just going to explain to you one the	孙纳教会我们几个世纪了 我只是向你们解释
2162	reasons why I didn't want to start quoting Quran verses was because I	因为我不想引用《古兰经》的诗句
2163	didn't want to come here and start talking about it says here that you chop	不想来这里开始谈论它 说在这里,你砍
2164	people's heads off it says here that you do that and it says here that you do	人们的头从这里说,你这样做, 这里说,你这样做
2165	that I'm sure that there excuse me there are very very very many verses in the	我敢肯定,有 恕我冒昧 有很多诗句在
2166	Quran that talk about peace and love and happiness it's just all we get is the	讲和平、爱和幸福的《古兰经》 就是我们得到的
2167	bombs the running over the knives and the beheadings so I'll move on if that's	炸掉刀子和斩首,如果是这样,我会继续
2168	all right thank you very much I'm done move on thank you very much so I've said	好了,非常感谢,我受够了 非常感谢,所以我说
2169	notably peaceful coexistence with with non-Muslims is not an opportunity	特别是同非穆斯林和平共处不是一个机会
2170	offered a position which can reasonably be held to say that it creates not just	提出一种立场,可以合理地认为,这种立场不仅造成
2171	suspicion but tension within a Western secular liberal Christian goldfish bowl	在西方世俗自由派的 基督教金鱼碗里
2172	that Tom Holland tells us we all live in right that's where we live we do no one	汤姆·霍兰德告诉我们 我们都生活在正确的地方 在那里我们没有任何人
2173	is anything anymore everyone's feelings matter so one thing is certain and is	每个人的感情都很重要 所以有一件事是肯定的
2174	backed up by all the data Muslims living in the West are pretty suspicious of us	西方的穆斯林都怀疑我们
2175	so I'm not going to talk about how I'm why the West should be suspicious of	所以我不会说为什么西方会怀疑
2176	Islam let's talk about how suspicious Islam is at the West the policy exchange	我们来谈谈伊斯兰在西方 如何可疑的政策交流
2177	report titled unsettled belonging published in 2016 which claims to be	2016年发表的题为 " 未解决财产 " 的报告
2178	the most extensive research of British Muslims ever conducted revealed that	对英国穆斯林进行的最广泛的研究表明:
2179	43% of British Muslims supported the introduction of Sharia not British law	43%的英国穆斯林支持采用伊斯兰教法而不是英国法律
2180	Islamic law 53% preferred to send their children to school with strong Muslim	53%的伊斯兰法律倾向于将他们的孩子送进穆斯林强的学校
2181	values suspicious perhaps of Western ones maybe I don't know 44% the school	也许怀疑西方人,也许我不知道44%的学校
2182	should be able to insist on face coverings does this sound like a	应该可以坚持 面部遮盖 这样做听起来像一个
2183	community which seeks integration do you ever write to be suspicious of those	寻求融合的社区 你曾经写信怀疑这些
2184	who reject our values and the societal norms of their host country	他们拒绝我们的价值观和东道国的社会规范
2185	24% sympathized with violence organized by groups to protect their religion	24%的人同情团体为保护宗教而组织的暴力
2186	that's what the Muslims say and 31% thought it was more than it was	穆斯林是这么说的 31%的人认为它比以前还多
2187	acceptable to keep more than one wife illegal in Britain but fine in Sharia	允许在英国将一个以上妻子列为非法,但伊斯兰教法规定罚款
2188	apparently and 35% believe that the Jews have too much power in the UK 52%	显然,35%的人认为犹太人在英国拥有太多的权力。
2189	compulsory halal I could go on and on and on and on but most important to me	强制呼噜,我可以不停地说,但对我最重要
2190	and most important to me is the free speech of this so let's get this out	对我而言最重要的就是言论自由 所以让我们把这事说出来
2191	shall we 78% of British Muslims believe that no publication should publish	我们78%的英国穆斯林认为 任何出版物都不应该出版
2192	pictures of Muhammad an overwhelming majority that rises that rises to 87%	穆罕默德的照片 占绝大多数 上升至87%
2193	that's one that's nine out of every ten Muslims that are walking the streets	10个穆斯林中就有9个在街上走
2194	today in a country which absolutely abandoned blasphemy laws suspicion is	今天,在一个完全放弃亵渎法的国家,
2195	strong enough a word the West should resist Islam in the strongest terms on	西方应该用最强烈的语言 抵抗伊斯兰教
2196	free speech grounds alone so here we are with this cartoon right and then it's	单凭言论自由,所以我们在这里 与这卡通右,然后它是
2197	time to show that I will not submit I will not adhere to the religious laws of	时间来表明我不会屈服 我不会遵守宗教法则
2198	far-off places now my wife asked me not to show this for fear of repercussions	我老婆让我不要看这个 因为害怕后果
2199	and in my family but I told her that if I did not then I had already submitted	在我的家里,但我告诉她,如果我不这样做,那么我已经提交了
2200	so here we are	我们在这里
2201	Is it not enough that half the team that invited you to this debate were Muslim	参加这场辩论的队伍中有一半是穆斯林,这还不够吗?
2202	women who wanted to hear out your expression and your arguments is it not	女人谁想听到 你的表达和争论,是不是
2203	enough that I as a Muslim president have invited you to this chamber to give your	我以穆斯林总统身份邀请你来到本会议厅 向你表示
2204	arguments is that not enough justification and evidence for you to	理由是你没有足够的理由和证据
2205	believe that we do believe in free speech I would not become the president	相信我们相信言论自由 我不会成为总统
2206	of a free speech society if that's what it is	言论自由社会如果是这样的话
2207	thank you all all right may I may I thank you very much may I finish	感谢大家,请让我感谢大家,请让我说完
2208	excuse me	对不起
2209	having been raised I'll hear the ex-librarian it's a long time since I've	长大后,我会听到前图书馆家的呼声 我很久没见了
2210	been in this chamber and new rules are by heart in the House of Commons and we	新的规则在下议院和我们
2211	model ourselves on House of Commons props are not allowed I wonder whether	下议院的道具上不允许我们自己做模特
2212	the rule on props is the same in the Oxford Union	牛津大学的道具规则一样
2213	I thank the Honourable gentleman for his point of order in the in the excuse me	感谢尊敬的先生先生 恕我冒昧
2214	for what for one second one one in the absence	为了什么,一个第二 在缺席
2215	mr. Fox one moment one moment mr. Fox the ex-president is also raising a point of	福克斯先生 请稍等 福克斯 前总统也提出
2216	order I think	我觉得是命令
2217	thank you so right and I just want to wrap this up I am going to rule on the	谢谢你,那么对了 我只想结束这一切... ...
2218	point of order there is no bar in the forms of the House against the use of	在众议院的形式上没有禁止使用
2219	props however I would encourage mr. Fox to make the point to move on I was	不过,我鼓励Mr. 福克斯想让自己继续前进
2220	until points order so it is in that spirit that I will not submit that I	因此,正是本着这种精神,我将不提交
2221	show you this as an Englishman who believes in free speech I will not	告诉你,作为一个英国人 谁相信言论自由,我不会
2222	submit I will not bow down right so I think which rather proves the point of	我不会跪在地上,所以我认为 更能证明这一点
2223	the point I was trying to make that in this envelope lived your fear and your	我试图让这个信封里有你的恐惧和恐惧
2224	fear of Islam and what Islam will do to you that when you when you upset it's	害怕伊斯兰教 害怕伊斯兰教会怎样对待你 当你生气的时候
2225	{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}而在这个房间里生活着的是一个健康的...
2226	brilliant and noble British tradition of suspicion of Islam I encourage you to	我鼓励你们
2227	pass the motion thank you very much I thank the Honourable gentleman for that	非常感谢您,谢谢尊敬的先生
2228	speech advancing the proposition and indeed for his we probably have some	发表演说 提出这个提议 事实上,对于他来说 我们也许有一些
2229	pens if you want it signed we can arrange that later on and I and I now	笔,如果你想要它签名 我们可以安排 以后,我和现在
2230	call upon the president to continue the case for the opposition there is anger	呼吁总统继续支持反对派,
2231	in this room tonight there is anger in homes and on streets and throughout	今晚在这个房间里 家里 街上 到处都有愤怒
2232	communities that no longer feel safe and no longer feel like they matter anger	不再感到安全 不再感到愤怒
2233	from people who feel that no government in any party in a generation has told	从那些认为 任何政党的政府 在一代人中
2234	them the truth about why their lives are the way that they are why their rent is	他们知道,为什么他们的生活是 他们的方式,为什么他们的租金是
2235	unpayable why they cannot get a GP appointment why the country they knew is	他们为什么得不到全科医生的任命?
2236	not the country their children are inheriting I'm not going to stand here	不是他们的孩子继承的国家 我不会站在这里的
2237	tonight and tell you your anger is wrong I'm not going to dismiss you as a racist	今晚告诉你你的愤怒是错误的 我不会把你当种族主义者开除
2238	for asking honest questions about a country that has stopped working for you	问一个不为你工作的国家
2239	and that is why I wanted this debate to be held because we have seen what	这就是为什么我希望举行这次辩论,因为我们看到了
2240	happens when people's anger goes unaddressed it does not disappear it	当人们的愤怒得不到解决时 它不会消失
2241	looks for somewhere to go and there are people in this country people on that	寻找一个地方去 这个国家有人在那上面
2242	side of the argument who have made it their business to be standing there when	说到做到的一方
2243	that anger arrives ready to point it in a direction that serves them and believe	愤怒的到来 准备指向一个为他们服务并相信的方向
2244	me hurts you the proposition does not have a monopoly on that anger mr.	我伤害了你 这个提议不能独占你的愤怒 Mr.
2245	Robinson and mr. Fox have built careers directing that anger are easier targets	鲁滨逊先生 福克斯已经建立了职业生涯 引导愤怒是更容易的目标
2246	scapegoating Islam and Muslim communities not because we are the cause of your	替伊斯兰教和穆斯林社区作替罪羊 不是因为我们是你们
2247	suffering not because we are a direction of your suspicion but because when you	受苦不是因为我们是你们怀疑的方向 而是因为你们
2248	are profiting from a hollowed out country it is safer to scapegoat a	从一个空虚的国家中获利... ...
2249	minority to set its citizens against one another than it ever would be to	与过去相比,
2250	finally let them ask who hollowed their country out in the first place but first	终于让他们去问问是谁先把国家掏空了
2251	let me do what I believe side proposition has missed the mark on when	让我做我所相信的 副命题错过了时间
2252	this discussion is being held let me reiterate what this motion is and what	请允许我重申,这项动议是什么?
2253	it is not the motion is not the west is right to be suspicious of salman abedi	不是运动不是西方对萨曼·阿贝迪的怀疑
2254	the manchester arena bomber the motion is not the west is right to be	曼彻斯特竞技场轰炸机 运动不是西部是正确的
2255	suspicious of jihadist ideologies of al-qaeda of isis of the examples that	怀疑基地组织的圣战意识形态就是
2256	you presented i as a muslim and i am certain and i can assure you as many	你把我当成一个穆斯林 我敢肯定 我可以向你保证尽可能多的
2257	many many of the vast majority of muslims are equally as suspicious of	绝大多数穆斯林同样怀疑
2258	those people of those organizations as anyone in this room let me let me let me	那些组织的人,作为任何人 在这个房间里,让我让我
2259	production let me get to the question the motion is the suspicion of islam	让我来问一下动议是怀疑伊斯拉姆
2260	并非是Laurence或Tommy或来自
2261	selected verses in the scripture without context without understanding	在经文中选择没有上下文、没有理解的诗句
2262	without reference to any of the verses that preceded it or came after it it is	没有提及前经或后经的任何节文,
2263	not selective understanding by people who do not believe in islam the people	不为不信教的人所迷惑,
2264	who behead the people who wage wars the people who attack and the people who	他们斩首 发动战争的人民 攻击的人民和人民
2265	are not followers of islam the motion is about islam the motion is about the body	不是伊斯拉姆的追随者 运动是伊斯拉姆 运动是身体
2266	of the teaching the 1400 year tradition the faith carried by 1.9 billion people	* 传授1400年传统,19亿人信仰
2267	almost all of whom could not have been further removed in their faith in my	几乎所有的人 都无法进一步去除 他们对我的信仰
2268	faith from the abhorrent crimes committed supposedly in their name and	以他们的名义犯下令人发指的罪行
2269	this is the important bit that i think you all miss yes so people who killed	这是很重要的一点,我认为你们都想念 是的,所以杀人的人
2270	isis were they not they were not following the teachings of islam and i	他们不是没有遵守伊斯拉姆教义吗?
2271	will get to exactly why they were not no they were they were not following the	他们会知道为什么他们不是不 他们没有跟随
2272	teachings of islam and i will get to why i will get to why the motion is about	伊斯拉姆的教义,我会得到为什么我会得到 为什么运动是有关
2273	islam not about people who claim to believe in islam and then misrepresent	不关那些自称信仰伊斯拉姆的人
2274	and denigrate our religion the motion is that the body of teaching itself is the	并诋毁我们的宗教 运动是 教体本身是
2275	cause of those atrocities in a way that christianity judaism hinduism and even	以基督教犹太教、犹太教和
2276	ideologies are not the causes of their own that our faith is inherently	意识形态并不是我们信仰的内在原因
2277	incompatible with and in fact are a danger to british society its values	与社会价值观不相容,事实上也是一种危险;
2278	traditions and its culture that every muslim therefore warrants a	因此,每个穆斯林都要求
2279	presumption of suspicion and i'm going to point by point take your arguments at	我逐个指出你的观点
2280	their highest and tell you why they are wrong first given that there were	他们的最高,并告诉你为什么 他们错了 首先,因为有
2281	arguments presented by laurence i'm not too sure where he's gone	劳伦斯提出的论点 我不确定他去哪了
2282	laurence and tommy there you are laurence and tommy about presumed	劳伦斯和汤姆 你在那里劳伦斯和汤米 关于推定
2283	and supposed scriptures and points in the quran and verses	和记述的经典,
2284	i want to take you through what they actually say what the teachings	我想带你通过 他们到底说什么教导
2285	actually say what islam actually says not the	其实说什么是Islam 其实说不是
2286	caricature you've been painting and then i'd like to ask you whether you	你一直在画漫画,然后我想问你
2287	are suspicious of those values and those cultures	怀疑这些价值观和文化
2288	the claim that quran is a manual of violence and that mainstream islam is	声称Quran是暴力的手册 而主流的伊斯兰是
2289	therefore inherently at war with and in contradiction with western values is	因此,在与西方价值观交战和违背西方价值观的本质上,
2290	what i've heard tonight you will have heard for example both	我今晚听到的 你们都会听到 比如说
2291	从j.l和Tommy Robinson 的命题叫做剑
2292	verse kill the unbelievers wherever you find them	诗句将你们所发现的不信道者杀死,
2293	what you will not have heard is the verse immediately before it	你们所未闻的,只是它之前的诗句,
2294	which exempts anyone who has kept a peace treaty with the muslims you would	它免除了任何与穆斯林缔结和约的人
2295	not have heard the verse immediately after it which	之后,没有听见任何诗句,
2296	orders muslims to grant safe passage to any non-muslim who asks for it and to	命令穆斯林允许任何要求安全通行的非穆斯林人士,并允许他们安全通行。
2297	escort them to safety you will not have heard	护送他们到安全的地方,你没有听说过
2298	that every major classical commentator on the quran across 1400 years	每一个主要的古典评论家 在1400年的时间里
2299	and every muslim that actually follows the scripture agrees that the verse was	每一个真正遵循经文的穆斯林都同意
2300	about a very specific group of arab tribes who had signed a peace	关于一个非常特殊的阿拉伯部落 签了和平协议
2301	agreement with the early muslim community and then broke it in the middle	与早期的穆斯林社区达成协议,然后在中间打破协议
2302	war in 17th century arabia it is dishonest it is dishonest to stand	在17世纪的阿拉伯战争中 站立是不诚实的
2303	here no let me finish it is is dishonest to stand here and selectively quote	这里不让我说完 站在这里有选择地引用是不诚实的
2304	and misrepresent and misquote let me let me get to the end of my point and i'll	并歪曲和错误地引用 让我说完我的观点,我会
2305	get to you and let me get to the end of my coin	去找你,让我去钱的尽头
2306	then i'll get to you uh let me get to the end my point and i'll get to you	然后,我会得到你 呃,让我得到 结束我的观点,我会得到你
2307	information has been declined it is not and has never been read by the	信息被拒绝,它不是,也从未被
2308	scholarly tradition as a standing order for all muslims of all centuries against	学术传统是各世纪所有穆斯林反对
2309	everyone who does not share their faith it has never	不信的,从不信仰;
2310	been the case and anyone who says that they follow islam and have committed	假若有人说,他们顺从伊斯蘭,而且犯罪,
2311	those crimes in that name in that verse is a liar and not a follower of our	那首诗里那些以这个名义犯下的罪行是骗子 而不是我们的追随者
2312	religion	宗教
2313	i have just given you the exact quotation from the religious scripture	我刚刚把宗教经文的准确引文给了你
2314	upon which that person claimed to have followed i have shown you that that is	我向你们证明
2315	not what the verse says let me finish jail i've shown you that that is not	而不是诗里说的,让我完成监狱 我已经告诉你,这不是
2316	what the verse said i have shown you that that is not what the teachings	诗里说的,我已经告诉你 这不是教义
2317	ascribe to us and tell us to follow let me finish	给我们写字,叫我们跟着我说完
2318	if somebody wants to pick out any verse from the from the from the bible from	如果有人想从圣经中挑任何诗句
2319	the old testament from the torah any selective verse a	任何有选择的诗句
2320	verse where moses is discussed killing innocent civilians or solomon	诗歌中讨论苔藓杀死无辜平民或独奏
2321	taking up tens of dozens of wives and then i tell you that that must	娶了几十个妻子,然后我告诉你,那必须
2322	justify anyone who then claims that that text is	如果任何人声称该文本是
2323	referenced to or in is presented to be a defense of their actions you would	指向或指向 被指为他们的行为的辩护人
2324	tell me that is unjustified you tell me that is not the correct reading of the	告诉我这是没有道理的 你告诉我这不是正确阅读
2325	scripture can i i've accepted a point of information	圣经我可以接受一点信息
2326	gentlemen gentlemen can i ask you both to take your seats please	先生们,请两位坐好
2327	miss and lucy thank you well can i can i encourage you to make a	小姐和Lucy 谢谢你,我可以鼓励你做一个
2328	little progress since we seem to have points on both sides	自从我们双方似乎都有观点以来,进展甚微
2329	and then perhaps return to the point yeah let me let me finish please	然后也许回到重点 让我说完
2330	no point of order having been raised mr jones lions	Jones 狮子先生没有提出命令
2331	at my risk you did i asked that it will be	我冒着风险,你确实要求的
2332	forbidden as the force has been from doing in visual photography and film	在影视摄影和电影中禁止使用
2333	you will not have heard madam president one moment i will remind	您不会听到总统夫人的话的 我会提醒您
2334	those in the chamber that with the exception of those	会议室内除
2335	with prior arrangements with the society and the society's own videographers and	与社会及社会本身的录像工作者和
2336	photographers there is to be no recording in the	摄影师们... .
2337	chamber there will be one warning given and on	房间将发出警告
2338	the second warning people will be removed	警告者将被解除,
2339	there are exceptions of the society's videographers and those that have	社会上的录像记者和那些拥有
2340	already arranged recording thank you thank you matthew	已经安排好录音了,谢谢你,Matthew
2341	this motion is not about non-believers people who say they believe in islam but	这个动议不是针对那些 说相信伊斯兰的人的
2342	don't actually follow its teachings it is about islam	不要听从它的教义 而是关于伊斯拉姆
2343	and i would urge you all to follow through with that motion with that	我将敦促你们大家 继续完成这个动议
2344	wording and actually scrutinize the religious	语言和实际上严格审查宗教
2345	teachings for what they actually are and not for what you want them to be to fit	教他们什么是真实的 而不是你希望他们适合的
2346	your narrative let me get to my point thank you	你的叙事让我说重点 谢谢
2347	you will not have even heard that the verses that you are quoting	你没有听见你所引用的迹象,
2348	come from a from from a chapter in the quran	出自《古兰经》中的一章
2349	called repentance not conquest not war repentance	忏悔不是征服 不是战争忏悔
2350	that it is the name the book itself gives to the chapter the proposition will	这是书本身给章节起的名字 提议
2351	tell you is a manual for killing you another claim we have heard tonight from	告诉你是杀你的手册 我们今晚听到的另一项说法
2352	Tommy Robinson就是这个改变宗教信仰的人
2353	him from bukhari that sounds absolute but it is not	他来自布哈里 听起来绝对,但它不是
2354	{\fnSIMHEI\fs22\1cHFFFFFF\3cHFF8000}哈纳菲的学校 {\fnSIMHEI\fs22\1cHFFFFFF\3cHFF8000}后来是大多数英国穆斯林
2355	across the world has long held that this only applies to those who leave	全世界长期以来都认为,这只适用于离开的人。
2356	islam and wage war against communities wage war	伊斯兰与对社区发动战争 发动战争
2357	it is not just it is not honest it is not just and it is not honest to cherry	不仅是不诚实 也不是不诚实 樱桃
2358	pick quotes and verses i will get to you let me get some progress please	选引文和诗句,我会得到你 让我得到一些进展,请
2359	let me get to some make some progress please and then when it comes to the	让我来谈一些进展 请,然后当涉及到
2360	verse supposedly enabling violence against women	诗句据称助长对妇女的暴力行为
2361	actually let me i'll leave that for you haven't mentioned it so i won't	老实说,我留这个给你,因为你没提过 所以我不会
2362	bring it up but if you were if somebody were to mention the verse	如果有人提到诗句的话
2363	on that supposedly enables women violence against women	妇女遭受暴力
2364	all that verse is hung on is one word in arabic	阿拉伯语里只有一句话
2365	which commentators like yourselves have latched on to mean	像你这样的评论家,
2366	beat them that word has 20 different meanings	打败他们 这个词有20种不同的含义
2367	in arabic major scholars do not interpret that word to mean the worst	在阿拉伯主要学者中,这个词不解释为最坏的
2368	and harshest possible interpretation the prophet himself whom you say we believe	和尽可能严厉的解释 先知自己 你说我们相信
2369	is rightful and we must follow in his example said himself that he disliked	正当的,我们必须遵循他的榜样 他自己说他不喜欢
2370	men who hit their wives so just preempting any arguments that	那些打老婆的男人... ... .
2371	were put in that direction let me let me please finish let me	让我说完
2372	the same pattern shows up with the hadith you mentioned about aisha	和你说的Aisha的海蒂一样
2373	and the marriage the claim that she was six at marriage and nine at consummation	结婚时她六岁 结婚时九岁
2374	except what they don't tell you is that the source who provided that recollection	但他们不告诉你的是 提供回忆的来源
2375	is not seen as concretely reliable that the author of one of the earliest and	据认为,最早的作者之一,以及
2376	most revered collections of hadith in islamic law imam malik	最受人敬仰的海迪斯收藏 伊斯兰法律伊玛目马克
2377	did not accept this narrator's reports and that various reconstructions	不接受旁白的报告 以及各种重建
2378	including from the institute put her age as far	包括从研究所 将她的年龄
2379	far older english common law however set the age of consent at 12	但将同意年龄定为12岁。
2380	until 1875 canon law permitted marriage from	直至1875年教会法允许从
2381	puberty the marriage practices mr robinson is	青春期的婚姻习俗 Robinson先生
2382	condemning condemn the whole of pre-modern civilization	谴责整个前现代文明
2383	including christian europe if we were to take his arguments at their	包括克里斯蒂安·欧洲 如果我们在他们的争论中接受他的论点
2384	highest tonight point of information let me get to my	今晚最高的信息点 让我来谈谈
2385	speech i'm not being able to we haven't taken one point from me are you afraid	讲话,我没办法 我们没有从我这里拿一点 你害怕吗?
2386	there are still muslim countries in this world which	世界上还有穆斯林国家
2387	say that their legal system is based on sharia which allow the marriage of	说其法律制度基于伊斯兰教法,允许
2388	children because of their belief in those verses	因为他们相信这些诗句
2389	are you saying they're not muslims too again and i do not understand why it is	你是说他们不再是穆斯林了 我不明白为什么
2390	so difficult for proposition to wrap their heads around this	这么难的提议 他们的头围着这个
2391	people can take any text and they can misinterpret it and they can misapply it	人们可以接受任何文字 他们可以误解它,他们可以错误应用它
2392	and they can believe that what they're doing is islamic	他们可以相信,他们在做什么 是伊斯兰的
2393	latent sit down they can believe that what they are doing is islamic and win	潜伏的坐着,他们可以相信 他们正在做的是疯狂和胜利
2394	accordance with islamic principles i am asking you to scrutinize islam	按照伊斯兰原则 我请你仔细检查伊斯拉姆
2395	and its teachings let me get to its point the people who misquote misrepresent	它的教义让我说清楚 那些错误地引用错误的人
2396	and take islam at its worst and then try and purport that	并用伊斯拉姆最坏的,然后尝试并声称
2397	they are muslims and they are following the teachings of islam	他们是穆斯林,他们遵循伊斯兰教义
2398	are people you should be suspicious of i have no doubt but that is not suspicious	你们应该怀疑的人 我毫不怀疑 但这并不可疑
2399	of islam we're too bad for nations can i can i can i	我们太糟糕了 国家 我可以
2400	finish please we are also told muslims are meant to	完成请,我们也被告知 穆斯林的本意
2401	follow the prophet's example fair enough but then key parts of that	遵循先知的榜样 足够公平,但关键部分
2402	Tommy和laurence提出的论点
2403	and the rest of the the bench the constitution of medina drafted	和其余法官 起草的医学宪法
2404	and delivered by the prophet set up a community of muslims jews and	由先知所赐 建立了一个穆斯林犹太人和
2405	pagans living together with mutual obligations and religious freedoms	具有共同义务和宗教自由的异教徒
2406	quote the jews are a community along with the believers to the jews their	以犹太教徒和信士们一起,
2407	religion to muslims theirs it is right there it is right there	他们的宗教就是那里,就在那里
2408	another treaty was with the christians of yemen protecting their churches and	另一项条约是与基督教徒 保护他们的教堂,
2409	clergy not mentioned anywhere the prophet's	先知的神职人员在任何地方都没有提到
2410	final sermon two months before he died went as such there is no superiority of	在他死前两个月的最后布道是这样的 没有优越性
2411	an arab over a non-arab or a non-arab over an arab or a white	在非阿拉伯或非阿拉伯之上的阿拉伯或白色
2412	over a black or a black over a white except in piety not mentioned anywhere	黑色或黑色 白色的,除非虔诚 在任何地方都没有提及
2413	in any of the arguments that you are going to present because it does not	在你将要提出的任何论据中,因为它没有
2414	fit your narrative let me i'm gonna run out of time please	适应你的叙事 让我没时间了 求你了
2415	bear with me from the quran's own lines in that	与我从克兰自己的台词
2416	chapter that i quoted to you which is called oh disbelievers	我所启示你的经典,确是不信道的人,
2417	for you your religion and for me mine somehow that does not make the cut	你的信仰,我的信仰, 不知何故, 无法削减
2418	after a while the pattern becomes obvious the case works best when certain	过了一段时间,模式变得很明显,当确定时,案件最有效
2419	texts stay off the page you can do the exact same thing with	短信不写在页面上 你可以做同样的事情
2420	your autonomy 20 when you take a city save alive nothing that breathe	你拥有的自主权... 20岁时,你夺走了一座城市...
2421	numbers 31 kill all the boys and kill every woman who has slept with a man but	31号杀了所有男孩 杀了所有和男人上床的女人
2422	save for yourselves every girl who has not let me finish	只为你们自己 每一个没有让我完成的女孩
2423	you can build a very dark picture that way but that is not how jews and	你可以用这样的方式构建一个非常黑暗的画面 但这不是犹太人和
2424	christians read their scriptures i extend that generosity to my muslim to	克里斯蒂安人读了他们的经文 我向我的穆斯林慷慨解囊
2425	my christian brothers and my jewish brothers and jewish neighbors	我的克里斯蒂安兄弟 我的犹太兄弟和犹太邻居
2426	i'm simply asking that it be extended tonight to mine can i please can i	我只是要求今晚把它 延伸至我的,我可以请
2427	please get through my speech i will get back to you	请通过我的演讲 我会回到你身边
2428	so let's actually see because you've said how do people take that religion	所以让我们来看看,因为你说过 人们如何接受这种宗教
2429	and that scripture and how do they apply it in their day-to-day lives	那经文和他们怎样在日常生活中应用,
2430	i'm not going to deny that there are people who try to understand that fail	我不会否认有人试图理解失败
2431	and try to use that as a cover-up for atrocious and abhorrent	并试图利用它 掩盖残暴和可恶
2432	actions those are not muslims latent for god's sake	为了上帝,这些行为不是潜在的穆斯林
2433	so let's see how those religious teachings translate into actual muslim	让我们看看这些宗教教义是如何转化为真正的穆斯林的
2434	attitudes opium last year 85 percent of british muslims	去年鸦片占英国穆斯林的85%
2435	back democracy as the best system of government	民主作为最佳政府制度
2436	the general public 71 percent 94 percent back equal treatment under the law for	71%的公众恢复了法律规定的平等待遇。
2437	all faiths and none the general public 80 percent seven and ten say they feel	百分之八七和十都说他们觉得
2438	loyal to the united kingdom the general public	忠于统一王国的公众
2439	one and two eight and ten interact with non-muslims at least weekly	一、二、八、十 每周至少与非肌肉动物互动
2440	nine and ten stay standing against bigotry including anti-semitism matters	九、十 坚持反对偏执主义,包括反分裂主义
2441	to them four and ten have served themselves or	他们有四、十个服务于他们,或
2442	through family and public service on every single one of those measures	通过家庭和公共服务落实其中每一项措施
2443	british muslims are more committed to british values than the british average	比起英国平均水平,英国穆斯林更致力于英国价值观
2444	these are not numbers from a community at war with this country these are	这些不是与这个国家交战的社区的数字
2445	numbers from a community holding the line on the values	值上持有线条的社区的数字
2446	this country claims to believe in while the proposition tells you we are a	这个国家声称相信, 而这个提议告诉你,我们是一个
2447	threat to them and exactly the same pattern	威胁他们和完全相同的模式
2448	shows up when we turn from opinion polls to crime statistics	当我们从民意调查转向犯罪统计时出现
2449	the story you are being sold about muslim crime looks very different once	你被卖的关于穆斯林犯罪的故事 看上去非常不同
2450	you see the whole pictures including for example grooming gangs and please do	你可以看到整张照片 包括例如培养帮派 请做
2451	bear with me i've been interrupted for quite a bit	忍耐一下,我被打断了很久
2452	for the grooming gangs the abuse happened the girls were real the failures	对培养黑帮来说 虐待发生在女孩们身上
2453	{\fn黑体\fs20\shad2\2aH82\3aH20\4aH33\fscx95\3cH592001\be1}如果真的这样的话 {\fn黑体\fs20\shad2\2aH82\3aH20\4aH33\fscx95\3cH592001\be1}我也不会把一切都减得最小
2454	woman i am not here to do so and other than rochdale telfer the	女士,我不是在这里这样做 除了罗奇代尔电话
2455	offender public's profiles on the headlines were dominated by british	在头条新闻上,
2456	pakistani muslim men that is true that must be spoken about	帕基斯塔尼穆斯林的真面目
2457	but there is another truth that must be named alongside it those girls	但还有另一个事实,必须命名 与这些女孩
2458	were working class working class girls in towns that had already been told their	城市的工人阶级工人阶级女孩,她们已经被告知
2459	problems did not matter failed by police officers who did not	问题没有被警察解决
2460	come councils who looked away institutions that decided their	来者理事会 谁看 远离 机构决定
2461	suffering was not worth the paperwork class contempt is what allowed this to	痛苦不值得 文书课的藐视是允许的
2462	continue for decades and no girl no working-class girl no girl of any	数十年来没有女孩 没有工人阶级女孩 没有女孩
2463	background should ever have to learn that her pain	要知道她的痛苦
2464	is an administrative inconvenience what mr romanson never shows you and what	这是行政上的不便 罗曼森先生从未告诉你什么
2465	the rest of the bench will never talk to you about	其他的长椅 永远不会和你谈论
2466	is that 81 percent of child-based sexual offenses were most commonly committed	81%的儿童性犯罪最常见的是
2467	by white men the government's own 2020 review of	政府自己2020年的检讨
2468	group-based child sexual exploitation said two things very clearly first	集团对儿童的性剥削 说得很清楚
2469	that group-based child sexual exploitation offenders let me please	那群儿童性剥削犯 让我来
2470	land are most commonly white i'm getting to that point	土地是最常见的白色 我得到了这一点
2471	and second that the data are too poor to show that any ethnic group is	其次,数据太差,无法表明任何族裔群体是
2472	uniquely predisposed to offending or overrepresented as perpetrators that	特别容易作为犯罪行为人或行为过度的犯罪者
2473	is your point i hope you heard it in other words there is no evidence that	换句话说,没有证据表明
2474	so-called grooming gangs involving muslim men are disproportionate	所谓培养有穆斯林男子的帮派是不相称的
2475	once you step back and look at the whole picture rather than a handful of high	一旦你退后,看看整个画面 而不是一小撮高
2476	profile cases	简介案例
2477	{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}我可没接受 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}请继续
2478	but please stop the time under under a conservative under a	但请停止时间 在一个保守的 在一个
2479	conservative no no because you made your point you made a point you've made your	不,不,不,因为你的观点,你的观点,你的观点
2480	point you've made your point and i've heard it you made your point and i've	你已经说清楚了 我听说了 你已经说清楚了
2481	heard and i've asked i asked them can i ask you to take your seat again please	我问过他们可以请你再坐一下吗?
2482	thank you okay a conservative government inquiry	谢谢你 保守的政府调查
2483	into can i please a conservative government inquiry	我可以请一个保守的政府调查
2484	into the proportion of grooming gang related crimes committed	与帮派有关的犯罪所占比例
2485	by all groups by all groups found mr robinson mr robinson i must ask you to	所有团体都发现了Robinson先生 Robinson先生 我必须请你
2486	take your seat the point has been taken the president is responding	总统已经回应了
2487	please do check the facts after this everyone here in the chamber is more	请检查事实 之后,在座的各位 更多
2488	than welcome to do so i'm asking i'm asking asking for two more minutes if	我请求你再给我两分钟
2489	you'll allow me that there are some other facts that our	你会允许我 有一些其他的事实,我们
2490	opposition will not give you the first that muslims were among the	反对不会给你第一个 穆斯林是其中之一
2491	dead in terrorist attacks supposedly committed under the name of islam	在据称以伊斯兰的名义实施的恐怖袭击中死亡
2492	muslims were among the doctors who treated the wounded the paramedics who	在治疗伤员的医生中,有穆斯林。
2493	ran towards the smoke the first respondents who held the dying the	向烟雾冲去 最早的受访者
2494	proposition asked you to condemn a community it will not acknowledge was	提议你谴责一个社区 它不会承认
2495	also grieving the second that muslims are	也悲伤的第二 穆斯林是
2496	disproportionately represented among those who flag concerns	在提出关切的人中比例过高
2497	to counter terror programs it is muslim mothers who call the hotline muslim	是穆斯林母亲打给穆斯林热线的
2498	fathers who sit with police officers and say	和警察坐在一起说
2499	that something is wrong the community the proposition frames as the threat is in	社会错乱了 命题和威胁一样
2500	practice one of our most reliable lines of defense	实践我们最可靠的防线之一
2501	and then there's what the proposition will not say at all in 2019 a man walked	2019年有人走过
2502	into two mosques in christchurch during friday prayers and murdered 51 muslims	在周五的祷告中 进入教堂的两座清真寺 并谋杀了51名穆斯林
2503	among them a three-year-old boy his manifesto named mr robinson directly	其中有一个三岁的男孩 他的宣言直接叫Robinson先生
2504	it thanked him if we are tallying the dead tonight and the proposition has made	它感谢他 如果我们今晚正在统计死者 和这个提议
2505	very clear that we are then the dead of the christ of christchurch	非常清楚,我们是基督基督的死神
2506	belong on that tally too he thanked you on the card i haven't	他的卡片上也谢谢你了 我没有
2507	mr robinson mr robinson please thank you	罗宾森先生,请罗宾森先生谢谢
2508	suspicion of muslims as a category has also been tried as a policy over 83 000 men from 25 mainly	将怀疑穆斯林为一类人,也作为一项政策进行了审判,主要有25人,其中83 000人以上。
2509	muslim majority countries were forced to register with u.s authorities under	多数穆斯林国家被迫向乌干达当局登记。
2510	special registration more than 13 000 were put into	超过13 000人接受了特殊登记。
2511	deportation deportation proceedings the number of terrorism convictions	引渡程序 恐怖主义定罪的数目
2512	produced was zero in the united kingdom between 2001 and	从2001年到2001年统一王国的产量为零
2513	2011 fewer than one percent of terrorism related arrests	2011年与恐怖主义有关的逮捕不到1%
2514	resulted in a conviction for a terrorism offense it broke up thousands of	造成数千人因恐怖主义罪行被定罪
2515	families and consumed billions in resources catching almost nothing that is	家庭 消耗数十亿资源
2516	what suspicion of an entire community of entire category of people gets you	你对整个群体 的怀疑会给你带来什么?
2517	nothing i'm gonna skip over to my ending so when the proposition tells you that	没有什么我会跳到我的结尾 所以当提议告诉你
2518	more suspicion makes britain safer i would like to ask them to look at the	越怀疑越安全 我想请他们看看
2519	record not the theory the record and look to who they are telling you to	不记录理论 记录,看看谁 他们叫你
2520	trust and this is important because these are	这一点很重要,因为
2521	the people who are advocating for these points	支持这些观点的人们
2522	most and it is important to know where they come from in 2018 mr robinson	最重要的是要知道2018年他们从哪里来 Robinson先生
2523	published videos claiming that jamal hijazi a syrian refugee schoolboy in	流传的视频称,一个赛尔族难民男孩
2524	huddersfield whose assault on a playground had gone viral	Huddersfield 在游乐场受到攻击 已经病毒化
2525	was himself a violent bully in fact the video showed him being throttled and	他自己是个暴力欺负者 事实上,录像显示他被勒死
2526	waterboarded by other peoples please give me a minute	请给我一分钟。
2527	mr hijazi sued for libel mr justice nicklin found mr robinson's allegations	Hijazi先生起诉诽谤 司法尼克林先生发现Robinson先生的指控
2528	were fake and highly defamatory and ordered him to pay 100 000 pounds in	伪造和严重诽谤 命令他支付10万英镑
2529	damages he did not go to prison for telling the truth about muslim grooming	他没有因为讲真话而坐牢
2530	gangs he went to prison for lying about a vulnerable refugee child	他因为谎报一个脆弱的难民儿童而入狱
2531	let me finish let me finish let me finish let me finish	让我说完 让我说完
2532	each generation of british muslims is more educated more politically engaged	每一代不列颠穆斯林都接受更多的教育,
2533	more invested in this country's future there are serious issues within some	国家未来的投资增加 有一些严重的问题
2534	muslim communities and some of the most courageous people fighting those	穆斯林社区 和一些最勇敢的人
2535	battles are muslim women doing it quietly without a platform	战斗是没有平台的穆斯林女人悄悄地做
2536	without a hedge fund manager paying their legal fees	没有对冲基金管理人支付其法律费用
2537	so let me end where i began with my faith and with this country	因此,让我结束 我从我的信仰和这个国家开始
2538	the prophet muhammad hosted the christians of najran in his own mosque	先知穆罕默德在自己的清真寺里 接待了纳伊兰的基督教徒
2539	and invited them to pray there after debating them on a religion that they	他们因自己的宗教而争论,然后,邀请他们去礼拜。
2540	ultimately did not pick up they did not convert to islam	最终没有找到他们没有转换成Islam
2541	he guaranteed the jews of medina the protection of their religion and their	他向美第纳的犹太人保证保护他们的宗教和
2542	the book i believe to be the word of god says in plain arabic there is no	我相信是上帝的旨意 在阿拉伯语里没有
2543	compulsion in religion for you your religion	强迫你信仰你的宗教
2544	and for me mine that is the tradition that built me that is the tradition that	对我来说,我的传统 造就了我的传统
2545	proposition is asking you to declare suspect	提议是请你宣布怀疑
2546	free speech and debate is not something i do despite being a muslim it is	尽管我是个穆斯林,但言论自由和辩论不是我做的
2547	something i do because of it one second so so so when i so when i	我这样做是因为它一秒钟 所以当我这样做的时候
2548	defend so when i defend your right to read from my holy book in a voice	当我用声音捍卫你从我的圣书中读到的权利时
2549	dripping with content to contempt when i sit through speeches calling my	当我坐在演讲中 呼唤我
2550	the danger and rise to them with evidence rather than brit i'm not	危险并用证据来对付他们 而不是我
2551	betraying my religion i am practicing it have the team that built this debate	背叛我的宗教 我在练习 它有团队 建立这场辩论
2552	{\fnSIMHEI\fs22\1cHFFFFFF\3cHFF8000}是穆斯林女人 {\fnSIMHEI\fs22\1cHFFFFFF\3cHFF8000}谁也不许卖给你一个虚假的英格兰 {\fnSIMHEI\fs22\1cHFFFFFF\3cHFF8000}一个曾经是
2553	pure until the day your muslim neighbor moved in	纯洁,直到你的穆斯林邻居搬进来
2554	that england never existed the real england is messier it's kinder it's more	英格蘭從來就不存在 真正的英格蘭越來越亂 越來越友善
2555	mixed it is england where a syrian schoolboy in a school playground deserves	混在一起是英格兰 学校操场的赛尔族男孩应该有的
2556	protection from lies where four young people in filton can oppose	防止4个年轻人反对的谎言
2557	a weapons factory without being branded as terrorists where a muslim girl can	一个没有被贴上恐怖分子标签的兵工厂 一个穆斯林女孩可以
2558	walk to class without being treated as suspect	徒步上课,没有被当成疑犯
2559	that england is still here it is worth fighting for so look at who is on which	英格蘭還在這裡 值得為此而戰 看看誰是
2560	side of this argument tonight look at who is defending free speech	今晚这个争论的一面 看看谁在捍卫言论自由
2561	and who is suing journalists look at who only a week ago was in his abode in	和谁正在起诉记者 看看是谁 一个星期前在他的住所
2562	spain telling you that immigrants are the	斯宾告诉你,移民是
2563	problem and ask yourself the only question this motion has ever really	问自己这个动议究竟有什么问题
2564	cared about not whether islam is a danger to the west but whether a handful	关心的不是Islam是否对西方构成威胁 而是少数
2565	of rich men get to convince you that your own	有钱人可以说服你
2566	neighbors are your enemy vote against this motion my faith has	邻居是你的敌人 投票反对这个动议 我深信
2567	survived empires it will survive this evening	幸存下来的帝国 它将在今晚幸存下来
2568	vote against it to protect what is best in your own tradition the right of every	投票反对 保护自己传统中最好的事物 每个人的权利
2569	person in this country to be seen as a human being before they are seen as a	在这个国家被视作人类之前
2570	category they are not trying to fix this country	类别,他们不是试图 修复这个国家
2571	they are trying to own it do not let them own your anger or your	他们试图拥有它 不让他们拥有你的愤怒或你的
2572	england we not we are not and we never were your enemy	英格兰,我们不是 我们不是,我们从来没有是你的敌人
2573	no but i read about the legal proceedings	没有,但我读过关于法律诉讼
2574	so you distrust the court you distrust one of the institutions	所以你不信任法庭 你不信任一个机构
2575	order order thank you thank you madam president i think i think if i can ask	谢谢您 总统女士 我想如果可以的话
2576	you to take your seat mr robinson i can ask you to take yours and i call upon	你可以坐好,罗宾森先生... ...我可以请你坐好,我打电话来
2577	Jonathan sakuradati先生继续为这个提议辩护
2578	thank you well it's very good to be back in the oxford union i just want to take	谢谢你 很高兴能回到牛福德工会 我只想带
2579	up a few points that we've heard from the other side	我们从另一边听到的几点
2580	which is really their strongest argument appears to be that	他们最强烈的论点是
2581	anybody that's done something bad in the name of islam actually wasn't really	以伊斯拉姆之名做坏事的人 其实不是真的
2582	muslim or wasn't really carrying out the true scripture of islam and indeed they	穆斯利姆或没有真正执行 真正的伊拉姆经文,实际上他们
2583	are non-believers but even those people islam has some pretty vile treatments	是不信的,但即使是那些 人Islam 也有一些相当邪恶的治疗
2584	in store for so on that basis alone for non-believers of islam i would query	仅供不信伊斯拉姆的人使用,我会查
2585	whether or not we should be suspicious of it and i must say again i must echo	我们是否应该怀疑它 我必须再说一遍 我必须回声
2586	the thanks to the president for her hospitality in bringing us here tonight	感谢总统的盛情款待 今晚带我们来这里
2587	i have admiration for her holding this debate she was also a wonderful host at	我很钦佩她举行这场辩论 她也是一位出色的主持人
2588	the dinner last time they sat me almost outside but she had me on the high table	上次吃晚饭的时候 他们几乎把我放在外面 但她把我放在高台上
2589	indeed she offered me some wine but i thought that allah had cursed wine its drinker its	她的确给了我一些酒 但我以为阿拉诅咒了酒的饮者
2590	server its seller its buyer its presser and the one for whom it's pressed the one who	给卖方提供服务器 买家提供压榨机 给卖方按压的人
2591	carries it and the one to whom it is carried so i hope that she still counts as a muslim	带着它 带着它的人 我希望她还是个穆斯林
2592	given that her version of islam is one that sounded much nicer than the one that many	她的Islam版本 听起来比很多
2593	of us are familiar with five minutes before salman abedi detonated his bomb killing 22	在萨尔曼·阿贝迪引爆炸弹前5分钟 我们都很熟悉
2594	people at an ariana grande concert in manchester arena he was spotted by kyle lawler an 18 year	在曼彻斯特竞技场的阿里亚纳大音乐会上 他被凯尔·劳勒发现 18年
2595	old security guard and after the bombing kyle told the inquiry i just had a bad feeling about him	老保安 爆炸发生后 Kyle告诉调查组 我对他有不好的预感
2596	kyle had been suspicious but he didn't act he didn't raise the alarm why here's what he said	Kyle一直很可疑 但他没有采取行动 他没有报警 为什么他这么说
2597	i felt unsure about what to do that's what he told the inquiry and being branded a racist it made	我不确定该做什么 那就是他告诉调查的 并被贴上种族主义的标签
2598	me hesitant 22 people were killed this is a lesson in ignoring suspicion and it's one that	我对22人被杀犹豫不决 这是忽略怀疑的教训 而这是一次
2599	the west needs to learn urgently no thank you i've had phone calls this week from friends family	西方需要紧急学习,不用谢 我这周接到朋友家人的电话
2600	colleagues some called to praise me for my courage others to question my sanity for coming back here	有些同事打电话来称赞我的勇气 另一些人质疑我的理智
2601	and one or two who begged me not to speak with you tonight why in what way does it take courage	还有一两个人恳求我今晚不要跟你说话 为什么这需要勇气
2602	to come and speak at a student debating society why would it be foolish for my safety to debate	来一个学生辩论会演讲 为什么我的安全辩论是愚蠢的
2603	to the invitation of a muslim woman with two muslim men and a mock victorian catholic knight	和一个模拟胜利的天主教骑士
2604	we all know why the victorian	我们都知道为什么胜利者
2605	we all know why it's why there's quite a lot of security here it's why there's a bit of electricity	我们都知道这是为什么 这里有很多安全 是为什么有一点点电
2606	in the air it's why this debate generated news coverage before it even happened it is because	在空气中,这是为什么这场辩论 产生新闻报道 之前,甚至发生它是因为
2607	of islam now i'm not a muslim for the purposes of full disclosure i'm a jew and a britain so	现在,我不是一个穆斯林 为了充分披露我是一个犹太人和新娘
2608	i'm not here to speak for muslims and what individual muslims do or don't think or feel	我不是来为穆斯林说话的 个人穆斯林做什么或不思考或感觉
2609	or believe i'm not here to argue over quranic verses and hadith i'm here tonight to represent	或者相信我不是来争辩夸张的诗句的 今晚我在这里代表
2610	the other side of this debate western values i'm here to talk about how islam has encroached	辩论的另一边是西方的价值观 我在这里谈论伊斯拉姆是如何侵蚀的
2611	on our lives i would love not to be here especially at this time i would love never to talk about this	我们的生活中,我宁愿不在这里 尤其是现在,我宁愿不谈这个
2612	topic again never to talk about islam it's not my faith it's not my ideology but over and over again	永远不要谈论Islam 这不是我的信仰 这不是我的意识形态 而是一次又一次
2613	it has confronted me coming for my life for your lives i am not motivated by hate whatever those	我面对我的生命 为了你的生命 我并不是出于仇恨
2614	people outside say the only person in this debate who has made physical threats was over there	外面的人说 这场辩论中唯一威胁身体的人 就是那边
2615	no thank you i am motivated by love love for freedom love for life love for debate for	不,谢谢,我被爱 爱自由 爱生命 爱辩论
2616	love for the west the west is a civilization of defiant liberty and fearless truth-telling	对西部的爱 西部是一个文明 自由无畏和无畏的真理
2617	and that is why i'm here now now i often ask people what their first conscious memory of islam	所以我现在才来这里 我经常问人们 他们第一次对伊斯拉姆的记忆是什么
2618	was for me it was as a child of eight or nine when salman rushdie published the satanic verses	萨曼・斯鲁蒂出版撒旦诗集时 对我来说是八九岁的小孩
2619	what followed was a global eruption of islamic fury book burnings in the streets a death fatwa	随后全球爆发的伊斯兰愤怒书 在街上燃烧着死亡法特瓦
2620	from ayatollah khomeini and a trail of terror that crossed decades and borders my own father	从阿亚图拉霍梅尼 和恐怖的踪迹 跨越几十年 与我父亲接壤
2621	a bookseller who believed in the fundamental western right to read and write even offensive	一个书商,他相信 基本的西部权利 读写甚至攻击
2622	ideas was forced to sell copies from behind the counter for fear of his own life translators were	因为害怕自己的生命 被迫从柜台后面卖掉拷贝
2623	stabbed publishers shot and over 30 years later in 2022 a young muslim assassin had the matter nearly	被刺杀的出版商被枪杀 30多年后在2022年 一个年轻的穆斯林刺客
2624	murdered the elderly rushdie on stage in new york blinding him in one eye because he wrote	谋杀了纽约舞台上的老人 因为他们写了
2625	a story yet in the face of this medieval intolerance rushdie struck back with the west's	面对这种中世纪的不宽容 急速回击
2626	greatest weapons his pen and his mind writing a new book knife he fought violence with art	最伟大的武器 他的笔和思想 写新书刀 他用艺术对抗暴力
2627	western they fought art with violence islamic but you don't need to be a writer to have suffered	西方人用暴力与艺术搏斗,但你不需要成为作家来承受痛苦
2628	the violent intrusion of islam into your life on september the 11th 2001 19 hijackers cried	2001年11月19日劫机者在September 暴力侵入你的生活
2629	as they murdered nearly 3 000 people in the name of islam flying planes into the twin towers	他们以伊斯兰之名杀害了近3000人 飞入双塔
2630	on the 7th of july 2005 four british muslim suicide bombers slaughtered 52	2005年7月7日,四名英国穆斯林自杀炸弹手被屠杀 52人
2631	commuters on london's tube and a bus declaring we are at war and i am a soldier	London的管子上的通勤车和一辆公共汽车 宣布我们处于战争状态 我是个士兵
2632	2013年 Michael adebellado在光天化日之下 被英国年轻士兵 Lee Rigby斩首
2633	{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}然后骄傲地告诉警方和同志 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}他的双手滴满了血 我是
2634	soldier of allah theo van gogh stabbed shot nearly decapitated in amsterdam for criticizing islam	Allah Theo van Gogh的士兵在阿姆斯特丹用刀刺伤了几乎被砍头的士兵,因为他们批评Islam
2635	his killer pinned a note to the body declaring it was done quotes by the law that commands me to	他的凶手给尸体贴了一张纸条 上面写着法律命令我
2636	cut off the head of anyone who insults allah and his prophet can you give examples from the	砍掉任何侮辱Allah和他的先知的人的头 你可以举个例子
2637	scripture directly in context properly that would advise or point to the actions of any of these	经典在适当上下文中直接说明或指明其中任何一种行为
2638	specific people this is the crux of this point i don't need to give you those examples because	具体的人,这是关键所在 我不需要给你这些例子,因为
2639	all of these men who slaughtered westerners who slaughtered other muslims gave their quotes from	所有屠杀西方人 屠杀其他穆斯林的人都引用了
2640	your holy book i am here see ali no thank you who worked with van gogh she's lived with round the	你的圣书... 我在这里... ...看到...
2641	clock protection ever since she was a muslim who committed the crime of leaving that faith and	钟保护自她是一个穆斯林 犯了离开信仰的罪行
2642	criticizing it are you starting to see the pattern yet in 2006 illan halimi a french jew	在2006年你开始看到法国犹太人的图案
2643	was kidnapped tortured for 24 days and burnt alive by a gang who shouted guess what a rabbi	被一群大喊大叫的拉比活活烧死
2644	and three small jewish children gunned down at a school in taloos a kosher supermarket in paris	三个犹太小孩在巴黎的犹太超市
2645	four jews executed a teacher at batley grammar school here hounded into hiding	四个犹太人在Batley语法学校处决了一名老师 躲在这里
2646	by muslim mobs baying for his death for showing a cartoon charlie ebdo three gay friends in	由穆斯林暴徒刺杀他的死因 显示一个卡通 Charlie ebdo 三个同性恋朋友
2647	婚礼 David Amos mp sttreatham London 大桥 西敏斯特大桥 绿地大桥
2648	station journalists gay men jews mps commuters police ordinary citizens the list goes on and on	电台记者 同性恋男子 犹太人 通勤者 普通公民 列表不断
2649	dishonest people will tell you that this is not islam but extremism extreme what	不诚实的人会告诉你 这不是伊斯兰 而是极端
2650	extreme jainism extreme quakerism the two converts to islam opposite cannot deny	极端的 Jainism 极端的夸克主义 两者转换成异端语不能否认
2651	that those killers were muslim following their islamic beliefs they said it themselves the list	那些凶手是穆斯林 遵循他们疯狂的信仰 他们自己说是名单
2652	of islamic contributions to our western life demonstrates that human cost the human cost	表明人类付出的代价
2653	that makes people in here afraid to even talk about islam that's why we're suspicious of islam	这让人害怕 甚至谈论伊斯拉姆 所以我们怀疑伊斯拉姆
2654	and don't worry i know that islam is not all violence it's also political in 1928 hassan	别担心,我知道伊拉姆不是所有的暴力 1928年也是政治性的
2655	albana founded the muslim brotherhood a disciplined movement to reverse the fading of traditional	阿尔巴纳创立了穆斯林兄弟会 一个纪律严明的运动 扭转传统文化的衰落
2656	islamic life in egypt building an entire alternative islamic society i have another couple	异性恋生活 建立整个异性恋社会 我还有一对夫妇
2657	pages which i hope you'll give me the courtesy of building an is an entire islamic society mosques	我希望你们能给我一个礼貌的页面 建造一座伊斯兰社会的清真寺
2658	schools charities youth groups businesses institutions which they then spread to the west	青年团体企业机构,然后向西部地区推广
2659	and their devised strategy was one of patient islamic transformation from within a civilizational	他们精心策划的策略是 耐心地从文明中
2660	jihad don't worry that is not a far-right name made up by tommy robinson or me that's actually	圣战不要担心,这不是一个非常正确的名字 由Tommy Robinson或我构成的,实际上
2661	what they called it and we know that because the fbi seized their 1991 explanatory memorandum	他们所说的,我们知道,因为FBI 抓住了他们1991年的解释性备忘录
2662	setting out the plan to settle in the west build islamic centers and spaces infiltrate institutions	* 制定在西部定居的计划,建立伊斯兰中心和空间渗入机构
2663	and work until quote allah's religion is made victorious over all other religions no thank you	并努力工作,直到引用 Allah 的宗教 战胜所有其他宗教
2664	nearly a century later they are widely accepted across europe and in the u.s and much of the west	将近一个世纪后,它们被广泛接受 在全欧和西方大部分地区
2665	as a dangerous threat to democracy so islam doesn't only attack with bombs sometimes it	所以伊斯拉姆不只用炸弹攻击民主,有时还用炸弹攻击民主
2666	uses our own freedoms and our own land and our own institutions against us and islam's ambition	利用我们自己的自由 和我们自己的土地和我们自己的机构 对抗我们和伊斯拉姆的野心
2667	to spread is not always so subtle historically islam is an ideology of conquest and expansionism	传播不是永远如此微妙的历史 伊斯兰是征服和扩张主义的意识形态
2668	after muhammad's death in 632 its armies burst out of arabia and within a century conquered much	在632年穆罕默德死后 它的军队从阿拉比亚突围 在一个世纪之内 征服了很多
2669	of the ancient christian world the middle east north africa egypt syria they pushed into spain	在古老的基督世界中 中东部的非洲北部
2670	al-andalusi where's that name from they reached france halted at tours in 732	他们从哪里得到这个名字? 在732年的旅游中停了下来
2671	thank you for the reminder	谢谢你的提醒
2672	um	垛
2673	they were indeed	他们确实是
2674	and 14th century sorry excuse me absolutely and if you would like to invite me uh back sir	14世纪 对不起 恕我冒昧 如果你想请我回来
2675	reese mogg i would be delighted to debate your religion and your faith and the wrongs that it	我很乐意辩论你的宗教和信仰 以及错误
2676	has done my people as well but that is for another evening wherever they've conquered jews and	我的人民也做了,但那是另一个晚上 他们征服犹太人和
2677	christians were reduced to dimmies defeated peoples living under submission tax and islamic	克里斯蒂安人沦为被击败的人 生活在屈服税和伊斯兰主义之下
2678	supremacy because that islam's core is political theological dominance not private internal faith	至高无上,因为伊拉姆的核心是政治神学主导,而不是私人内部信仰
2679	they may try to hide it but it is written in blood across the centuries until today for every other	他们可能试图隐藏它... ...但它被写在血中... ...直到今天...
2680	we can be proud of the positives and still suspicious of the negatives but some people	我们能为积极性感到骄傲 仍然怀疑消极性 但有些人
2681	are so quick to list all the great things they say islam's contributed the second speaker that	如此之快地列出所有伟大的事情 他们说伊斯拉姆的贡献 第二发言人说
2682	he gave some money once to an old man who was in need but they utterly reject any islamic connection	他曾经给一个有需要的老人一些钱 但是他们完全拒绝任何疯狂的联系
2683	to all the dreadful things that i've mentioned tonight the bits they like those are all islam	我今晚提到的所有可怕的事情 他们喜欢的都是Islam
2684	but the bits they don't like well not islam totally binary in an era when being non-binaries all the	但是,他们不喜欢的比特 不是一个完全的二进制 在一个时代 当非二进制
2685	rage everything today is on a spectrum except islam so i'm asking you to believe your own eyes	今天除了伊斯拉姆之外,一切都很愤怒 所以我要你相信自己的眼睛
2686	to accept your own survival instincts apply the same rational thought to islam that you would	接受自己的生存本能 应用同样的理性思想 伊斯兰,你会
2687	and should to any other set of ideas and behaviors kyle lawler that manchester arena security guard	并应该对任何其他的 想法和行为 凯尔劳勒 manchester竞技场警卫
2688	will live forever with the heavy weight of ignoring his suspicion don't be kyle lawler	将永生 与沉重的重量 无视他的怀疑 不要是凯尔劳德
2689	don't be afraid to call out an urgent danger that you instinctively identify just because	别害怕说出你本能识别的紧急危险 只是因为
2690	you're afraid what we have in the west is worth protecting our freedoms our culture our ethics	你怕我们西部的东西 值得保护我们的自由 我们的文化 我们的道德
2691	this university this country all of it and it can compete it can win but only if you stay curious	这所大学 这个国家所有的一切,它可以竞争 它可以赢得,但只有你保持好奇
2692	stay intelligent stay suspicious especially of islam i thank the honorable gentleman for his	保持智慧 保持怀疑 特别是Islam 我感谢尊敬的先生
2693	speech advancing the proposition and i call upon abdullah and and lacy to advance the case for the	我呼吁阿卜杜拉 和Lacy 推动本案
2694	ladies and gentlemen um mr president not quite yet yeah members of oxford union friends i know	女士们,先生们... 总统先生...
2695	you're tired after a long debate i'll try to bring some clarity to a lot of these discussions	经过长时间的辩论,你累了 我会尽力澄清这些讨论
2696	unfortunately as brandolini's law states it takes a disproportionate amount of time to explain	可惜白兰多利尼的法律规定 解释需要太多时间
2697	something that is false which was said in a few words so i'll try to cover as much as possible	有些事是错的,我用几句话说,所以我会尽量多说
2698	my background is portuguese so i might have unpatriotic thoughts when it comes to the	我的背景是葡萄牙语 所以我可能有些不爱国的想法
2699	world cup force of portugal but i will say that uh my background is actually more fascinating than	举杯世界的力量 但我会说 我的背景其实比
2700	this uh from my mother's side of the family i discovered that we descend from a jewish family	我发现我们来自一个犹太家庭
2701	that was a couple centuries ago persuaded to be catholic and wasn't able to escape spain	这是几个世纪前 说服天主教徒 并且无法逃离西班牙
2702	uh and if they were trying to hide their faith there was the portuguese inquisition around	如果他们想隐瞒他们的信仰 周围有葡萄牙教的审讯
2703	to give some very sharp arguments now i know you're so you're thinking the portuguese had	给一些非常尖锐的争论,现在我知道你 所以你认为葡萄牙人有
2704	an inquisition yes no one expects the portuguese inquisition so this time was a funny one and i'm	问讯是的,没有人期待 葡萄牙语问讯 所以这次是一个有趣的,我
2705	going to try to deal with as many points as possible i think that if we looked at	尽可能多地处理问题 我想如果我们看看
2706	uh hermits ebing the german member of the free democratic party who argued when he was found	隐士们抛弃了自由民主党的德国成员 当他被发现时他争论
2707	with child photos that if he was prosecuted publicly it would be it would increase anti-semitism	带着孩子的照片说,如果他被公开起诉,那将会增加反分裂主义
2708	and his sentence was reduced uh tom arty on alexandrovich against someone caught in los	亚历山德罗维奇对被困在洛斯里的人 判他减刑
2709	然后悄悄地被允许保释 当然还有Jeffrey Epstein
2710	weinstein if we said wait a second what do they all have in common should we start being suspicious	如果我们说等一等 他们有什么共同点 如果我们开始怀疑
2711	of what they all have in common you'd say that's anti-semitism etic and rightly so	他们有共同之处... ...你会说,这是反分裂主义... ...
2712	so could we not extend perhaps the same latitude to criminals in every other community on planet	因此,我们能否不扩大 也许是同样的自由度 在地球上的每一个其他社区的罪犯
2713	please none of those people used the torah to justify sexual abuse for example or any	请不要让这些人用托拉来证明 性虐待或任何性虐待
2714	of those things because it's not in there they did it because they're bad you mean the mission	因为这些东西,不是在那里 他们这样做,因为他们是坏的 你是指任务
2715	some actually that there's been some quirky rabbis not actually part of the mainstream	一些实际上,有一些怪异的拉比 其实不是主流的一部分
2716	but have argued for permissibility to have sexual relations with a child over three years old	但主张允许与三岁以上儿童发生性关系
2717	would we say oh that means that all Jews are allowed to do that and that's allowed for Jews	也就是说所有犹太人都允许这么做 犹太人也允许这么做
2718	no it's not right so anyone can as this as the saying goes by shakespeare the devil can quote	不,这是不对的 这样任何人都可以像 谚语说的那样
2719	scripture okay a bit well i'm going to go into patience gentlemen gentlemen can i remind you of	圣经还好,我要去 耐心的先生们,我可以提醒你们
2720	the forms of the house please i think i've made him a little irate it's okay please just uh no i'm	房子的表格,请 我想我已经让他有点 irate它没关系 请只是呃,不,我
2721	trying to talk about sir can i ask you to please refrain from interrupting the speaker we have	先生,请不要打断我们的演讲
2722	discussed the forms of the house if you wish to make a point of information please rise and do so	讨论房子的形态,如果你想说明问题,请起立
2723	otherwise please allow the speaker to continue thank you so um let's discuss as many things as	否则请让演讲者继续感谢你 让我们讨论很多事情
2724	{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}我打算加快速度 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}所以人们会谈论我对耶兹迪斯说的
2725	were the yezidis by the way or in the middle east for how long uh 1400 years and who were their	路过或中东部的犹太教徒有多久?
2726	neighbors for 1400 muslims so that muslims only after 1400 years wait a second those look a bit	邻居要一千四百个穆斯林 所以只要一千四百年后 穆斯林就再等一会儿
2727	yezidis let's persecute them and kill them that's how ridiculous the argument is you know i find it	耶兹迪丝,让我们迫害他们,杀了他们, 这就是多么荒谬的争论是 你知道我发现它。
2728	a shame that people only realized despite all the rhetoric that iran wants to kill all jews	尽管伊兰想杀死所有犹太人 但人们才意识到这很可惜
2729	that the only the only time wait a second the only time we realized that jews were actually	唯一一次等待一秒钟 唯一一次我们意识到 犹太人实际上是
2730	in iran was when israel blew up a synagogue in tehran tehran has 30 synagogues by the way 6 000	当时在伊兰,伊雷尔炸毁了 泰赫兰的犹太会堂 约6000个犹太会堂
2731	jews live in tehran um other issues let's see if i go for even quicker the the okay the quran	犹太人住在Tehran... 其他问题... 看看我是不是越快
2732	says very clearly there's no compulsion in religion it has not there's actually four	说得很清楚,宗教没有强迫,实际上没有四个
2733	mentions the word compulsion in the quran and every single one it's always not to compel every	上面提到"强迫"一词 每一个词都是不能强迫的
2734	single one there's another verse that's not that's not mentioned one one second there's	单曲还有一首诗,没有一秒钟
2735	a verse that's not mentioned um often which is it said if god so willed he would have created the	一首没提的诗 常常是说如果上帝愿意的话
2736	whole world following one religion so if that's the case who are you to compel when basically	整个世界都遵循一种宗教 所以如果是这样的话 基本上你就是强迫
2737	religion should be only for god i.e god decides who is guided and who is not that's not a verse	宗教应该只为神 即神决定谁被引导 而谁不是 这不是诗
2738	of quran right we're not allowed to compel anyone to become muslim but also uh sure	我们不允许强迫任何人成为穆斯林 但同样确定
2739	well you can if you probably see you i'm not sure about riad but in pakistan which is an	好吧,如果你可能看见你 我不确定Riad,但是在巴基斯坦
2740	islamic republic you can just say you're christian and you get if you get beer all right that's the	伊斯兰共和国 你可以说你是克里斯蒂安人 如果你得到啤酒
2741	point is that uh let's pick the worst country we can find out of 50 countries and judge all muslims	我们从50个国家里挑出最差的国家 来评判所有穆斯林
2742	by it when the vast majority clearly go against your argument um oh yes it was said doesn't islam	绝大多数人显然反对你的论点...
2743	say you must kill gays people who are homosexual no it doesn't not in a single verse not in a single	说你必须杀同性恋者 不,它不是在一首诗里 不是在一首诗里
2744	hadith please tell me how many gays did the prophet allow me to kill then can you why are	Hadith 请告诉我先知允许我杀多少个同性恋 那你为什么
2745	you silent now right how many how many gays did he kill um does the quran actually not preach death	你现在就闭嘴吧 他杀了多少个同性恋 嗯...
2746	for people who engage in homosexual sexual acts the quran doesn't say the quran actually doesn't	对于有同性恋性行为的人,quran没有说quran实际上没有
2747	talk about that it talks about people who have sex outside of marriage but the point is let me	说到它谈到的人 谁有婚外性行为, 但重点是让我
2748	let me correct you so the like look i know you're getting anxious but like please uh let me finish	让我纠正你 这样的样子 我知道你很焦虑 但请让我说完
2749	my point sir you know freedom of speech so um so the let me set your freedom excuse me sorry you	先生,我的观点是,你知道言论自由 所以,嗯... ...所以让我设置你的自由...
2750	keep saying yeah but you have to let me speak first then i can give way to you i haven't even	一直说,是的,但你必须让我说话 首先,然后我可以让路给你 我甚至还没有
2751	started speaking sir okay all right um i think you have to just you have to judge religion based on	开始说话,先生,好吧,嗯... ...我觉得你必须...
2752	on the teachings on the text because that's where the religion comes from if we judged religion or	在文字上的教义,因为如果我们判断宗教或
2753	any moral ideology or belief system by its adherence we would basically condemn all morality	任何道德思想或信仰体系的遵守,我们基本上谴责一切道德
2754	and humanity at all because it's always criminals always someone that are self-centered despite their	和人性 因为它总是罪犯 总是一个人 以自我为中心 尽管他们
2755	high-minded claims um also the laws that do exist on some of the books in muslim world unfortunately	也是穆斯林世界某些书籍中 存在的法律
2756	were taken from somewhere the idea of the homosexual was invented in the 19th century as in	同性恋的思想是19世纪发明的
2757	the the top the idea that you can classify people bisexuality homosexualities heterosexuality and	上层思想,你可以把双性恋者 同性恋异性恋和
2758	so on craft von ebbing was the person and then the victorians developed an idea that you should be	因此,在工艺冯·埃比特是 人,然后胜利者 形成了一个想法,你应该
2759	intolerant about these people it was a mental disease and then they imported it or exported	这些人不耐烦 这是一种精神疾病 然后他们进口或出口
2760	it into the muslim world when we never had the concept of the heterosexual bisexual homosexual	我们从未有过异性恋双性恋同性恋的概念
2761	everyone was just people right so and then we're blamed for basically adopting an older version of	每个人都是人 所以,然后我们被责怪 基本上采用了老版本
2762	the west we have to update west 2.0 and we're being blamed for still on west 1.0 actually i	我们必须更新西部2.0 而我们被指责仍然在西部1.0实际上i
2763	would argue we should be in west 0.0 but it's because in islam we didn't have such persecutions	说我们应该在西部0.0, 但它是因为在伊斯拉姆 我们没有这样的迫害
2764	{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}西边遇到的...
2765	he said he'll take one in a moment please allow him to continue thank you	他说他一分钟内要吃一个 请让他继续谢谢你
2766	so basically if the muslim world doesn't uh for accept the forcefully imposed ideas and concepts	所以基本上,如果穆斯林世界 不接受强力强加的想法和概念
2767	from from the west we're somehow being intolerant of the west that's kind of how you've been standing	从西边来 我们不知怎么对西边不耐烦
2768	for this entire discussion today actually um i think uh the second thing is sharia can't be	今天讨论的第二件事是伊斯兰教教法不可能
2769	imposed on non-muslims the quran says regardless those jews and christians was jews coming to the	Quran说无论那些犹太人和克里斯蒂安人
2770	mohammed to seek his judgment and then they didn't accept it so what does the quran say if	然后他们不接受他的判断 如果
2771	they don't accept it then turn away from them say you go judge by your own book it says judge	他们不接受,然后退避他们 说,你用自己的书来判断,它说法官
2772	the people of the book should judge by their own book it's actually in the quran okay i'll take it	书里的人应该用自己的书来判断 它实际上在方程式里
2773	mr jones lions mr jones lions please sit down thank you mr jones lions please sit down thank	琼斯狮子先生 请坐下 谢谢 琼斯狮子先生 请坐下
2774	you very much okay if i if i may continue um look you know uh i the thing is one of the issues that	你非常的好,如果我可以继续,嗯... ...你看,呃... ...
2775	as muslims face is that we are constantly on trial for our own existence like the the stakes today	穆斯林的面孔是,我们不断在考验 我们自己的存在,像今天的利害关系
2776	is not an academic uh stake the stakes are something much greater because these people	这不是学术上的赌注 赌注更大 因为他们
2777	propose certain policies uh such as you know religious tests and ethnic cleansing sorry	提出某些政策... ...比如你知道宗教测试和种族清洗...
2778	remigration sorry um as and this is the this is the threat that is basically upon	对不起,嗯,这是 威胁基本上是在
2779	a religious minority in the west we're all we're constantly in judgment a point of order has been	西方的少数宗教 我们一直在评判一个秩序问题
2780	{\fnSIMHEI\fs22\1cHFFFFFF\3cHFF8000}今晚无论何时 {\fnSIMHEI\fs22\1cHFFFFFF\3cHFF8000}听到他的声音
2781	if the whole point of having a decent debate is in good faith this is a point of order or	如果有正经辩论的整个要点是诚信的,这就是程序问题或
2782	i hear you i hear your points of order miss annalucy could i ask you to clarify who is	我听说你的秩序问题 安娜鲁西小姐 我可以请你澄清
2783	advocated for ethnic cleansing uh oh um uh britain first members i've encountered of the restore	主张种族清洗 uh, uh, uhbrietan 第一批成员 我遇到恢复
2784	of the restore party you're mentioning are not uh some of some some of the some of the friends of	你提到的恢复党 并不是一些... ...
2785	我将带Annalucy先生...
2786	opposition bench simply because the people you're citing are not at this debate are you able to say	仅仅因为你所引用的人 在这场辩论中,你可以说
2787	any of the gentlemen i will have made that comment so that's fine i retract i'll say members of the	任何先生们,我都会这么说的 所以没关系,我收回我的话,我会说的成员
2788	far right members uh members of the far right um for example there was a case where uh a black	极右派成员 呃 极右派成员 例如有个案子 有个黑人
2789	person attended the fa with the united kingdom march there was britain first guy there the the	参加联合王国游行的有第一人
2790	{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}他在那里支持它 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}布里坦先说好我们先除掉那些坏移民
2791	and we'll save the good ones for last basically if i if i if i remember anyway um well there's a	如果我们记得,嗯,有一个
2792	video on it online you can see you can see it's been doing the rounds okay okay so if shari can't	网上的视频,你可以看到,它一直在做 回合还好,所以如果Shari不能
2793	be imposed on non-muslims what about the command is there a command or the alleged command to kill	命令中是否有命令或据称的杀害命令?
2794	all non-muslims wherever you find them or anything like this and this is um wrong and i will quote to	无论你在哪里找到他们或像这样的东西 这都是错误的 我会引用
2795	一个古典的中世纪伊斯兰学者 ibn tamir我引用 ibn tamir 因为ibn tamir其实是
2796	been praised by isis been praised by al-qaeda he's he's	被Isis称赞 被基地组织称赞 他是
2797	Looked up to for them, but let's see what he says.	寻找他们,但让我们看看他说什么。
2798	He's a medieval scholar.	中世纪学者.
2799	So he's not pandering to any liberal	所以他不跟任何自由主义者妥协
2800	current day	当前日期
2801	so he says	所以他说
2802	The foundation is that the blood of Bani Adam, which is the tribe of Adam	基础是巴尼亚当的血 这是亚当的部落
2803	It's all human beings is sanctified and inviolable and no one is killed except by a right	人类都是神圣不可侵犯的 只有权利才能杀死任何人
2804	Killing due to disbelief in Islam is not something which the legislations have agreed upon at any one time of Sharia	由于对伊斯兰教的不信而杀人并不是立法在伊斯兰教法任何时期都同意的。
2805	Such as killing the one who sits out of combat for this is something that the legislators have and and and the intellect do not	比如杀死一个不参加战斗的人 是立法者有的 和智慧没有的
2806	Differ over the blood of a non-muslim during the time since early Islam was sanctified and inviolable	自早期伊斯兰教被圣化和不可侵犯以来,非穆斯林的鲜血不同
2807	就像Bani Adam的原始圣洁
2808	So as Allah prevented Muslims from killing such	当真主阻止信士们杀戮他们的时候,
2809	Anyone who's a non-muslim considering a non-muslim.	凡无陵者以为无陵.
2810	This is a medieval classical scholar.	这是中世纪的古典学者.
2811	It's pretty straightforward	很简单
2812	But then the question arises	但问题就出现了
2813	Why then does that al-qaeda exist?	那为什么基地组织存在?
2814	What did the killers of Lee Rigby say they were doing it for right point of orders been raised?	李里格比的凶手说 他们这么做是为了得到正确的命令?
2815	Just as a question for clarification has the remark on the remark on remigration has been withdrawn.	正如一个需要澄清的问题一样,关于移民问题的评论已被撤回。
2816	Yes	对
2817	I actually have a quote here	其实我这里有个引言
2818	From Tommy Robinson, I would have remigration	从汤米・罗宾逊,我会重新移民
2819	It's time for many Muslims to leave this country if they're not going to integrate or assimilate.	如果许多穆斯林不融入或同化,就应该离开这个国家.
2820	It's time to go home	是时候回家了
2821	Yeah, I hear the Honorable Gentleman.	是的,我听到的荣誉先生。
2822	I hear the other way that mr.	我听到另一个方式,先生。
2823	I see I hear the Honorable Gentleman's point of order.	我好像听到了尊敬的绅士们的旨意
2824	However, we are concerned with the comments in this chamber	然而,我们对本会议厅中的评论感到关切。
2825	Okay, I believe you're reading a quote from outside this chamber.	好吧,我相信你读 从这个房间外的引文。
2826	Okay, is that the case?	好吧,是这样吗?
2827	Yes, but I	对,但我...
2828	Would leave that I'm going to ask everybody to take their seats.	我会让大家坐下来
2829	I've ruled on the point of order	我已经决定了程序问题
2830	I will remind the gentleman that a point of order is not for simply reason quotes from outside the chamber	我将提醒这位先生,一个程序问题并非仅仅是从会议室外引用的理由。
2831	It must be to raise a matter concerned with the debate that is going on.	它必须提出与正在进行的辩论有关的问题。
2832	Thank you.	谢谢
2833	Mr. And Lucy	卢西先生
2834	Having him start speaking.	他开始说话了
2835	Yes, sir.	是 长官
2836	No, no, I haven't except I haven't accepted it because my time is limited now, right and	不,不,我还没有接受 因为我的时间有限,现在,正确的和
2837	I'll leave it to the imagination of everyone	我留给大家想象
2838	Who here will be on his list of Muslims he will remigrate	他的穆斯林名单上有谁会重新定居
2839	So what about free speak	那自由话呢
2840	You can't do this	你不能这样
2841	I can	我当然可以
2842	Call my time to speak.	打电话给我的时间说话。
2843	Can I can I ask mr. And Lucy to make to make some progress mr. Fox?	我能问一下Mr. 和露西 取得一些进展 Mr. 狐狸吗?
2844	I understand the point you're raising mr. And Lucy.	我理解你抚养Mr. 还有露西
2845	Can I ask you to continue and can I ask you can I mr. Fox?	我能请你继续吗? 狐狸吗?
2846	Thank you stand Lucy, can I ask you not to repeat that remark we have already dealt with this point	谢谢你站立露西,我能请你不要重复 我们已经谈到这一点。
2847	What about free speech we've heard a lot about free speech	那自由言论呢 我们听过很多自由言论
2848	Well, I'll just give you an example of	好吧,我给你个例子
2849	medieval Islamic free speech	中世纪伊斯兰言论自由
2850	Perhaps that would give you the best example because you might say maybe Muslims here	也许这能给你最好的榜样 因为你可能说这里可能是穆斯林
2851	These in this day and age in many countries don't fully understand what Islam requires them to do quote unquote vis-a-vis people who?	这些在当今时代在许多国家,
2852	Attack the Prophet Muhammad or criticize him	攻击先知穆罕默德或批评他
2853	Well firstly the example of the Prophet Muhammad someone was he had a neighbor who was a woman who hated him hated his message	首先,先知穆罕默德的例子是 他有一个邻居 一个讨厌他的女人
2854	And every day he'd come out when he'd come back	每天他回来的时候都会出来
2855	She'd throw rubbish on his head and he didn't do anything to her	她把垃圾扔到他的头上,他什么也没做
2856	Except there was one day when he came back and the woman didn't throw rubbish in his head	除了有一天他回来 女人没有在他头上扔垃圾
2857	And what did he do?	他做了什麽?
2858	He went to her door knocked on it	他走到她家门口敲门
2859	She opened it and she was shocked to see him there and he said are you okay?	她打开它,她震惊地看到他在那里 他说你没事吧?
2860	I noticed that you didn't throw rubbish on my head	我注意到你没有在我头上扔垃圾
2861	So I was concerned about about you and she said no one in all of	所以我很担心你,她说没人
2862	That the town has come to see me about because I'm ill except you and then she embraced Islam	这个镇子来找我是因为除了你我病了 然后她拥护伊斯兰教
2863	She was amazed at the person's morals.	她很惊讶他的道德
2864	This is the example that Muslims	这是穆斯林的例子
2865	Follow and I'll give you an example from Islamic history, please.	请跟随我举伊斯兰历史的例子
2866	Let me let me just at least quote them example	让我至少举个例子
2867	So you probably heard maybe you've heard of someone a saint called Saint John of Damascus	你可能听说过 一个叫大马士革圣约翰的圣徒
2868	Why is he called Saint John of Damascus?	为什么他叫大马士革的圣约翰?
2869	Well, firstly, let me talk about his book.	首先 让我谈谈他的书
2870	So he published a book attacking Islam	于是他出版了一本攻击伊斯兰教的书
2871	Quite vociferously calling the Prophet a false prophet who wrote ridiculous compositions randomly accused him of committing adultery and	相当强烈地称先知为虚伪的先知,他写了荒谬的构思,随机指责他通奸,
2872	Wrote how he said how that Muslims are like beasts who are destined to hell.	写他怎么说穆斯林就像野兽 注定要下地狱
2873	Where did he publish this book?	他在哪里出版这本书的?
2874	He published this book under the or made cadafate Syria	他出版这本书 在叙利亚的地下 或制造的cadafate叙利亚
2875	during Islamic times and then he had a	在伊斯兰时期,他有一个
2876	student Theodorus	学生西奥多斯
2877	Abukhara's who wrote 15 more books	阿布哈拉又写了15本书
2878	criticizing	批评
2879	15 more books attacking Islam and he was invited to the court of Caliph Marwan to have a debate	又有15本书攻击伊斯兰教 他被邀请到卡利夫・马万的法庭辩论
2880	With Muslim scholars in front of the Caliph and at the end by his own account	和穆斯林学者在卡利夫的前面 和他自己的账户
2881	He was given gifts and a mantle for his good debating skills	他有礼物和地幔 以他良好的辩论技巧
2882	Even though he had not embraced Islam and he had kept on attacking and what happened to him?	尽管他不信奉伊斯兰教,却继续攻击,他怎么了?
2883	The Muslim scholar Isa bin Sabih al-murta published a book refuting him and that was it	穆斯林学者伊萨·本·萨比赫·穆尔塔(Isa bin Sabih al-Murta)出版了一书,反驳他,就是这样
2884	This is Islamic free speech and I'll leave it with one final point because my time has been heavily	这是伊斯兰教的言论自由,我最后留一点 因为我的时间很长
2885	limited, unfortunately	不幸的是,有限度
2886	Does everyone know the quote live and let live	所有人都知道这句话吗?
2887	You've heard of it.	汝闻已.
2888	Does anyone know a famous person or an infamous person that said it?	有人认识一个名人或一个臭名昭著的人吗?
2889	You don't know or you're not gonna like what I say next.	你不知道 或者你不会喜欢我接下来说的话
2890	I'm gonna give you someone that you won't be able to get out of your head	我会给你一个你无法脱身的人
2891	There was a guy that said it rather relatively recently	有个家伙说 相当近些年
2892	his name is	他的名字是,他是谁
2893	Osama bin Laden	乌萨马·本·拉丹
2894	He said it and you can check in the book by dr	他说了,你可以看医生的书
2895	Bruce Lawrence the the composition a composition of the statements by some in London when he said and let me explain	布鲁斯·劳伦斯 伦敦人发言的构成
2896	Let me explain the context	让我解释一下背景
2897	Right.	对
2898	It's easy to scoff, but it's even it's harder to actually investigate the nuances of reality	虽然容易嘲笑,但实际上更难调查现实的细微差别
2899	The issue is yes.	问题是肯定的。
2900	Yes	对
2901	Osama bin Laden was asked in an Al Jazeera interview	半岛电视台采访了乌萨马·本·拉丹
2902	Why are you fighting the West and also you have declared that non-combatants can be attacked?	为什么你要和西方作战,你还宣布非战斗人员可以受到攻击?
2903	so he said	所以他说
2904	that because the West	因为西方
2905	kills our women and children and	杀害我们的妇女和儿童,
2906	I want to show I want to protect our women and children by making the West pay a price	我想证明我要保护我们的妇女和儿童 让西方付出代价
2907	To fill our pain in the same way to stop them from bombing us	以同样的方式填补我们的痛苦 阻止他们轰炸我们
2908	This is not an Islamic logic, by the way	顺便说一句 这不是伊斯兰教的逻辑
2909	And then the person asked him but that's not the problem.	然后那个人问了他,但这不是问题所在。
2910	I mean forbid the targeting and non-combatants	我的意思是禁止攻击目标和非战斗人员
2911	You know what somebody said?	你知道有人说什么吗?
2912	You're right is forbidden in the Quran Sunnah, but then he says but this prohibition he believes	你是对的,在《古兰经》里是被禁止的, 但是他说,但是他相信这个禁令
2913	Let me finish her this prohibition he believes is not absolute	让我完成她 这个禁忌他认为不是绝对的
2914	Because he says in the modern world, which is not an Islamic text or something	因为他说在现代世界, 这不是一个伊斯兰文本什么的
2915	he says we should we should reciprocate how the enemy fights us and	他说我们应该回击敌人如何对抗我们
2916	Then he claims that Islamic scholars mr. Have committed this.	然后他声称伊斯兰学者Mr. 已经承诺了
2917	I will I will finish it	我会完成的
2918	Yes, okay one last one last quote gentlemen, please.	先生们,请最后一句
2919	Thank you.	谢谢
2920	Mr. Sakharov.	萨哈罗夫先生
2921	So you raised a point of order	所以,你提出一个程序问题
2922	We'd all like him to carry on it's really funny.	我们都希望他继续,这真的很有趣。
2923	Thank you.	谢谢
2924	That's not a point of order.	这不是一个程序问题。
2925	Mr. Stiles.	斯蒂尔斯先生
2926	Yes	对
2927	What is your point of order?	你有什么要说的?
2928	Thank you.	谢谢
2929	Let me	让我来
2930	Can the gentleman opposite confirm whether he condemns that it's not a point of order?	对面的先生能否证实他是否谴责这不是一个程序问题?
2931	Sit down that is not a point of order	坐下,这不是一个程序问题
2932	Lucy	露西,你好吗?
2933	I'm going to give you 30 seconds to conclude your remarks.	我给你30秒时间结束你的发言
2934	Thank you.	谢谢
2935	Okay.	摆
2936	Yes	对
2937	I do condemn us on bin Laden his methods because as the classical medieval Islamic scholar it been court to be says	我以本·拉登的手法谴责我们 因为作为古典的中世纪伊斯兰学者
2938	It is not permissible for us to retaliate in the same manner	我们不允许以同样的方式报复
2939	Even if the enemy kill our women and children and cause sorrow to befall us	即使敌人杀了我们的女人和孩子 给我们带来悲伤
2940	It is not permissible for us to act likewise with the intention of making them feel grief and sorrow	不允许我们采取同样行动,使他们感到悲伤和悲伤。
2941	Medieval Islamic scholars understood the rules of war	中世纪的伊斯兰学者理解战争规则
2942	So I'm bit louder wants to change it to become part of the modern world to imitate the West and he cites Winston	所以我更想改变它 成为现代世界的一部分 模仿西方 他引用温斯顿
2943	Churchill's bombing of Germany's said they can bomb civilians.	丘吉尔轰炸德国 说他们可以轰炸平民。
2944	Why can't we in Islam?	为什么我们不能在伊斯兰?
2945	This is a rejected argument.	这是一个被拒绝的论点。
2946	We don't copy	我们没有收到
2947	Monstrous actions.	怪兽行动
2948	We don't become the monsters who fight us, but but I will I will	我们不会成为与我们战斗的怪物 但我会的
2949	I'll give I'll give one last sentence and I will say I'm sorry, but I must ask you to conclude	我会说最后一句话 我会说对不起 但我必须请你结束
2950	I will so when I said when I said	我会说,当我说
2951	When I said live and let live what was what was I referring to the actual his full phrase?	当我说活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放生的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活的放活放活放活的放活放活的放活放活的放活放活的放活放活的放活放活放活的放活放活的放活放活放活的放活放活放活放活放活的放活放活的放活放活放活的放活放活放活放活的放活放活放活放活的放活放活放活放活的放活放活的放活放活放放活放活放活放放放放活放活放放放放放
2952	He said if the West stop attacking us will stop attacking them live and let live	他说如果西方停止攻击我们 就会停止攻击他们 让他们活着
2953	He did not say the Quran tells us to kill all non-muslims and massacre them.	他没有说,《古兰经》告诉我们要杀死所有非穆斯林并屠杀他们。
2954	He did not say it	他没说
2955	So the issue is this we talk we talk a lot about what motivates terrorists	问题是,我们谈了很多 是什么刺激了恐怖分子
2956	We talk a lot about what motivates terrorists	我们经常谈论什么是恐怖分子的动机
2957	But at least quote them because the song bin Laden never himself uses the argument that the Quran says to kill non-muslims	但至少引用他们的话 因为这首歌本·拉登 从没用过《古兰经》所说的 杀死非穆斯林的论点
2958	so so the only people that believe that	所以,只有人们相信
2959	Muslim to kill non-muslims is are those standing in proposition.	杀害非穆斯林的穆斯林是那些站立的主张。
2960	Thank you.	谢谢
2961	I	一、导 言
2962	Thank the honorable gentleman.	感谢尊敬的先生
2963	I ain't the honorable gentleman for his speech in opposition of the motion	我不是那个反对动议的光荣先生
2964	And I call upon mr. Layton styles to close the case for the proposition	现在我请Mr. 莱顿的风格来结束这个提议
2965	Thank you, mr.	谢谢你,先生。
2966	Chair, I mean I must say I'm not sure how I can top that and I'm not referring	主席,我的意思是,我必须说 我不知道我怎么能 顶级,我不是指
2967	I'm not referring to the duration	我不是说持续时间
2968	Ah	摆
2969	Yes	对
2970	So the album by bin Laden live and let live I hear it's great for side proposition	所以本·拉登的专辑就活下来了 让我活下来了 听说这对侧面的提议来说是件好事
2971	He talks about later live and let live and then	他谈论以后的生活,让生活,然后
2972	Continues to quote mr. Bin Osama bin Laden on all kinds of different aspects	继续引用Mr. B. 本·乌萨马·本·拉丹关于各种不同方面的问题
2973	What the question I was going to ask you mr. Chah was whether he condemns him because if he does I'm not sure why he	我要问你的问题是什么? 查赫是否谴责他 因为如果他谴责我 我不知道他为什么
2974	Quoted him so very much.	引用他这么多。
2975	I suppose that's a question for the gentleman and you never took many of mine	我想这是对这位先生的一个问题 你从不拿我的很多
2976	So I'm going to wait now.	所以我现在要等待。
2977	I must say mr. Chah when I first	我必须说,先生。 当我第一次的时候
2978	Accepted to speak in this debate.	同意在本次辩论中发言。
2979	I assumed I would be the most right-wing individual in the chamber	我以为我是室里最右翼的人
2980	However, looking at the speakers alongside me.	不过,看看我旁边的发言者。
2981	I am pleased to report.	我高兴地报告。
2982	This is no longer the case	已经不是了
2983	Instead this debate has already achieved something.	相反,本次辩论已经取得了一些成果。
2984	I previously thought impossible	我以前以为不可能
2985	In fact, we've encouraged mr. Jacob Rees-Mogg and mr. Tommy Robinson to finally disagree on something if anything	事实上,我们鼓励了Mr. 雅各布·里斯-莫格和莫格先生 汤米・罗宾逊 最终在某件事上有分歧
2986	Mr. Chah, at least the Oxford Union still performs miracles	查先生,至少牛津大学联盟 仍然有奇迹
2987	But that observation points to something quite important	但是,这个观察指出 一件很重要的事情
2988	The easiest mistake this house could make would be to assume that our argument belongs to one political tribe	这个房子最容易犯的错误 就是假设我们的论点属于一个政治部落
2989	That is not true.	事实并非如此。
2990	The argument I make tonight is not necessarily a conservative one believe it or not	今晚我的论点 未必是一个保守的人相信与否
2991	It is actually a liberal one	其实是自由的
2992	So yes, mr. Chah, I rise to propose the motion that the West does in fact have the right to be suspicious of Islam and	所以说,是的,先生。 查赫,我提出动议 西方确实有权怀疑伊斯兰教
2993	Mr. Osama bin Laden	乌萨马·本·拉丹先生
2994	Hear hear	听见了
2995	Before anybody rushes to outrage, however, let us be absolutely clear about what we are and what we are not arguing	然而,在任何人急于愤怒之前,让我们绝对明确我们是什么,我们没有争论什么
2996	We are not arguing that Muslims are lesser citizens.	我们并不认为穆斯林是较小的公民。
2997	We are not arguing that Muslims deserve fewer rights	我们并不认为穆斯林应该享有更少的权利
2998	You're not arguing that Muslims deserve less dignity less freedom than anybody else	你不是说穆斯林比别人更配有尊严
2999	Indeed one of the defining achievements of Western liberal democracy is the principle that as Martin Luther King said	事实上,西方自由民主的一个决定性成就是,正如马丁·路德·金所说,
3000	And I'm sure you're a fan of him sir as well as Osama bin Laden.	我相信你是他的粉丝 先生 还有乌萨马·本·拉登
3001	Is that individuals as that?	这些人就是这样吗?
3002	Individuals order point of order has been raised.	个人的秩序问题已经提出。
3003	He's trying to see he said I'm a fan of some bin Laden and in no way	他想见他说我是本·拉登的粉丝 绝对不是
3004	Did I ever say that at all, I hear the point of order	我曾经这么说过吗 我听到了秩序问题
3005	Actually what I said, I'm sure he's a fan of him as well as Osama bin Laden	其实我所说的,我相信他和乌萨马·本·拉登都是他的粉丝
3006	Which does suggest that you think he's a fan of Osama bin Laden.	这说明你认为他是乌萨马·本·拉登的粉丝
3007	I	一、导 言
3008	Know English language graduate, but I think that I'm willing.	懂英语,但我觉得我愿意
3009	I'm willing to attract the styles	我愿意吸引这些风格
3010	Can I invite you to withdraw the	我能不能请你收回
3011	Mr. Chah, I'm willing to withdraw but I will leave that judgment to the audience	查先生,我愿意退出 但我会让观众来判断
3012	Indeed one of the defining achievements of Western liberal democracy is the principle as I said as Martin Luther King said that	事实上,西方自由民主的决定性成就之一是我所说的原则。
3013	Individuals are judged based on the content of their character not their religion and not their race	个人的判断依据是其性格的内容,而不是其宗教,而不是其种族
3014	The Muslim citizen deserves the same rights as the Christian the Jew and the atheist who lives alongside them	穆斯林公民应享有与基督教徒一样的权利 犹太人和与他们同住的无神论者
3015	What we are arguing is something much more simple that ideas have no right to immunity from scrutiny	我们所争论的是 更简单的是 思想没有权利免于审查
3016	Religions have no right to exemption from criticism	宗教无权免于批评
3017	Ideologies have no right to deference the West has long been suspicious of numerous forms of ideas	意识形态没有权利尊重西方 长期以来一直怀疑多种形式的思想
3018	monarchism fascism communism	法西斯共产主义
3019	Islamism to name a few and if we have the right to be suspicious of every other major belief	伊斯兰教举几个例子,如果我们有权怀疑所有其他主要信仰
3020	Why should Islam be uniquely exempt?	为何伊斯兰教应该例外?
3021	One may criticize the authority of the Pontiff the Pope	可以批评教皇的权威
3022	One may criticize the authority of the Quran there is no double standard of course	人们可能会批评《古兰经》的权威 当然没有双重标准
3023	No, of course not no no no no	不,当然不是,不是,不是,不是
3024	One information of course, but are we not we're not arguing about whether you have a right to be suspicious of Islam	当然有一条消息 但我们不是在争论 你是否有权怀疑伊斯兰教
3025	But whether you are right to be suspicious of Islam there are there's a difference	但你怀疑伊斯兰教是否正确 是有区别的
3026	I'm sure you agree the motion is we have a right to be so the way the way the way	我敢肯定,你同意这个动议 我们有权这样的方式
3027	Sure, the West the West is right to be suspicious of Islam.	当然,西方对伊斯兰教的怀疑是正确的。
3028	That's absolutely fine	没关系
3029	I think we're right to be suspicious of all sorts of ideologies	我觉得我们怀疑各种意识形态是对的
3030	Including as I mentioned of Christianity of monarchism communism fascism which we have been historically, you know	包括我提到的基督教 君主制共产主义法西斯主义 我们历史上一直如此
3031	We're also right to be skeptical of Islamism	我们怀疑伊斯兰教也是对的
3032	Which the summer bin Laden seems to be a big fan of now the opposition the opposition	夏日的本・拉登 似乎成了反对派的粉丝
3033	Mr. Chow have attempted to blur the distinction	周先生试图模糊区别
3034	between criticism of Islam and	批评伊斯兰教与
3035	prejudice against Muslims	对穆斯林的偏见
3036	But these are not the same thing suspicion of an idea is not hatred of a person to question a doctrine	但是,怀疑一个想法 并不是对怀疑一个理论的人的仇恨
3037	It's not to persecute its followers.	岂可侵其随从.
3038	Of course, I give away	当然,我放弃
3039	Principle	原则
3040	Why should we judge nearly 2 billion Muslims by the actions of the French minority	我们为什么要用法国少数民族的行动来评判近20亿穆斯林
3041	I'll refer the lady opposite to my most previous sentence quote	我转告这位女士 与我前一句话相反
3042	But these are not the same thing suspicion of an idea is not hatred of a person to question a doctrine is not to persecute its	但是,这些不是怀疑一个想法 并不是对一个人的仇恨 来质疑一个学说
3043	followers	追随者
3044	Our suspicion is particularly justified in Islam	我们的怀疑在伊斯兰教中特别有道理
3045	Unlike many modern	不像很多现代人
3046	Interpretations of religion is not always presented merely as a private spiritual faith	对宗教的解释并不总是仅仅作为一种私人精神信仰来表达的。
3047	many interpretations of Islam contain legal political and social prescriptions	对伊斯兰教的许多解释含有法律、政治和社会规定。
3048	They make claims about not only how individuals should live their lives	他们不仅声称个人应该如何生活
3049	But how society should be organized and governed when any belief system seeks influence over law	但当任何信仰体系寻求对法律的影响时,社会应如何组织和管理
3050	Education public morality or political institutions citizens don't only have a right but a responsibility	教育公共道德或政治机构 公民不仅有权利,而且有责任
3051	to question those ideologies	质疑这些意识形态
3052	In addition to concerns regarding fundamentalist Islam abroad, for example in Iran and Afghanistan	除了关注国外的原教旨主义伊斯兰教之外,例如在伊朗和阿富汗
3053	We have witnessed mr.	我们已经看到Mr.
3054	Chair within our own society	在我们自己的社会中
3055	Serious challenges posed by islamist extremism.	伊斯兰极端主义带来的严重挑战。
3056	The United Kingdom has spent decades confronting terrorist threats	联合王国几十年来一直在应对恐怖主义威胁。
3057	Inspired by extreme interpretations of Islam.	受到对伊斯兰教的极端诠释的启发.
3058	I direct all members to take a look at the mi5 terror watchlist made up	我指示所有成员看看Mi5恐怖监视名单
3059	overwhelmingly of	占绝大多数
3060	islamist terrorists	伊斯兰恐怖分子
3061	Your wife is a speaker aware that islamism is not Islam.	你的妻子是一个演讲者,知道伊斯兰不是伊斯兰教。
3062	Of course, of course	当然,当然
3063	There was no indicate.	没有迹象。
3064	There was no indication that islamism is the same as Islam	没有迹象表明伊斯兰主义与伊斯兰教相同
3065	Well, I'm the point I'm making is many followers of Islam take it to the extreme	我说的是许多伊斯兰教信徒 把它带到极端
3066	Disproportionately compared to other religions	与其他宗教相比不成比例
3067	Well, I'm sure you know more about that Tommy than I would	我敢肯定,你对汤米的了解比我还多
3068	We have also seen instances in which public authorities were reluctant to investigate or discuss pattern	我们还看到政府当局不愿调查或讨论模式的情况。
3069	No, I didn't I did not give you permission.	我没有给你许可
3070	Please sit down	请坐
3071	We have also seen instances in which public authorities were reluctant to investigate or discuss patterns that emerged	我们还看到政府当局不愿意调查或讨论新出现的模式。
3072	in certain criminal networks for fear of causing offense or appearing prejudiced	在某些犯罪网络中,由于害怕引起犯罪或出现偏见
3073	Whatever conclusions one draws from those cases.	无论从这些案件中得出什么结论。
3074	Mr.	劳伦斯先生
3075	Chair, the lesson is clear	主席,教训是明确的
3076	fear of criticizing ideas cultures or communities cannot be permitted in the pursuit of truth a	担心批评思想的文化或社区在追求真理时是不能允许的。
3077	Liberal society must be willing to examine uncomfortable facts wherever they may lead	自由社会必须愿意审查任何令人不舒服的事实
3078	Of course, mr.	当然,先生。
3079	Chair, I'm talking about the rape gangs	轮椅,我是说强奸团伙
3080	One of the greatest domestic atrocities in decades	数十年来最大的国内暴行之一
3081	Thousands and thousands of young white working-class girls raped and abused	数千名年轻白人工人阶级女孩被强奸和虐待
3082	Yet the authorities they were afraid to ask the difficult questions about the perpetrators	当局却不敢问关于凶手的难题
3083	The vast and overwhelming majority of whom were Pakistani Muslim men point of information.	绝大多数是巴基斯坦穆斯林男子,
3084	I give way	我让路了
3085	That's factually not in that's factually not correct	事实并非如此 事实并非如此
3086	According to the VK PP national analysis reports only 2.2 percent of Pakistanis are involved	根据VK PP国家分析报告,只有2.2%的巴基斯坦人参与其中。
3087	I'm sorry of the adults who are committing	对不起,大人谁做
3088	child sex exploitation	儿童性剥削
3089	Of their of the total amount of perpetrators 2.2 percent are Pakistanis.	其中2.2%是巴基斯坦人。
3090	How are they the majority?	他们如何占多数?
3091	How are they the majority, sir?	他们多数人怎么样,先生?
3092	That's fine.	没关系
3093	The rape gangs I'm referring to were mentioned in the J report	J报告中提到了我提到的强奸团伙
3094	We mentioned were mentioned in the rape gang report published yesterday by Rupert Lowe.	我们在鲁珀特·洛昨天发表的强奸团伙报告中提到了我们。
3095	You may be a fan of him	你也许是他的粉丝
3096	I'm not sure.	我不太确定 说不定
3097	Of course.	当然
3098	I give away	我放弃
3099	On a point across all child sexual offenses in this country	在这个国家所有的儿童性犯罪中
3100	Around eighty percent of convicted offenders are white and only a very small minority of from mixed or ethnic backgrounds	大约80%的定罪罪犯是白人,只有极少数人来自不同或族裔背景
3101	If we do not call that a white sex offender epidemic	如果我们不称之为白性罪犯流行
3102	Why is the speaker entitled to call a far smaller subset a Muslim one?	为什么发言者有权把一个小得多的子集称为穆斯林子集?
3103	The Home Office's own December 2020 review of group-based child sexual exploitation found that offenders are most commonly white	内政部在2020年12月对基于团体的儿童性剥削的审查中发现,犯罪者通常是白人。
3104	Well, the speaker tell the house is equally suspicious wholesale of white men as a whole.	演讲者告诉房子 白人的批发同样可疑
3105	Thank you, madam president	谢谢,总统夫人
3106	I was not referring to anybody's race	我不是说任何人的种族
3107	What I was referring to is the religion of Islam and how culturally is proven very very prominent in these rape gangs	我指的是伊斯兰教,以及文化如何被证明在这些强奸团伙中非常突出
3108	No, thank you	不,谢谢
3109	I would direct the members of the house to the rape gang report published yesterday by the Member of Parliament for Great Yarmouth	我将指示本院议员们看一看大雅茅斯议员 昨天发表的强奸团伙报告
3110	Particularly to page 18 where the most egregious testimonies of all begin	特别是第18页 最令人发指的证词开始
3111	those of the survivors	幸存者
3112	To recognize this fact is not to condemn ordinary Muslims	承认这一事实不是谴责普通的穆斯林
3113	Indeed many of the victims of Islamist extremism around the world or themselves Muslim	事实上,世界各地许多伊斯兰极端主义的受害者,或者他们自己是穆斯林。
3114	but a particular ideology	但是一个特定的意识形态
3115	giving rise to movements that reject	导致人们拒绝
3116	pluralism individual liberty	个人自由
3117	democratic governance and freedom of expression	民主治理和言论自由
3118	Citizens must be able to ask questions about those ideas	公民必须能够问关于这些想法的问题
3119	Indeed	确实
3120	every scientific advance and every	科学进步和进步
3121	philosophical breakthrough begins with the willingness to ask difficult questions a	哲学突破始于提出困难问题的意愿a
3122	Society that loses this ability and the right to be suspicious	失去这种能力和可疑权利的社会
3123	Loses the capacity to think critically	失去思考的能力
3124	Ultimately, mr.	归根结底,先生。
3125	Chair this debate is not alone about Islam	主持这次辩论并不只是关于伊斯兰教
3126	It is about whether any set of ideas should be protected from scrutiny because criticism may offend	是否应该保护各种思想不受审查,
3127	Actually about whether the West has a right to be suspicious of Islam	其实西方是否有权怀疑伊斯兰教
3128	It is very specifically the West is right and I pointed to a bit of a distinction there	具体地说,西方是正确的,我在这里指出了一点区别。
3129	We're not saying you don't have a right.	我们不是说你没有权利
3130	Thank you.	谢谢
3131	Madam president	总统女士
3132	I pointed to many examples as to why we would be right to for example the rape gangs	我举出许多例子,说明我们为什么应该以强奸团伙为例。
3133	So so if the answer is yes that we should	所以,如果答案是肯定的,我们应该
3134	Allow these ideas to be sheltered from scrutiny then liberal democracy has fallen face first	让这些思想不受审查,自由民主就先堕落
3135	It has failed if the answer is no and we should question these	如果答案是否定的,它失败了 我们应该质疑这些
3136	Ideas then the motion must stand and you all must vote in proposition	想法是,动议必须有效,你们都必须投票
3137	We ask for no special suspicion of Islam.	我们要求不要特别怀疑伊斯兰教。
3138	We ask for no lesser rights for Muslims	我们要求穆斯林的权利不降低
3139	We ask only for the equal application of a principle at the heart of Western civilization	我们只要求平等适用西方文明的核心原则
3140	That every idea however ancient however influential however sacred must be questioned and is right to be criticized	无论多么古老 多么神圣 每一个想法都必须受到质疑 并且应该受到批评
3141	Islam is a powerful and influential set of ideas like with every other powerful set of ideas.	伊斯兰教是一套强大和有影响力的思想,就像其他各种强大的思想一样。
3142	It may be examined	可以审查
3143	criticized and yes regarded with suspicion and	* 受到批评,是的;
3144	If there is one thing everybody in this room can agree with it is that being suspicious of propositions is entirely reasonable	如果这间屋子里每个人都同意一件事 那就是怀疑命题是完全合理的
3145	After all you've spent the last 10 minutes being suspicious of mine.	过去10分钟你一直怀疑我
3146	So	这么说
3147	Of course, so the motion is actually this house believes the West as a whole	当然,所以这个动议其实是 这个房子相信整个西方
3148	It is right to be suspicious of Islam.	怀疑伊斯兰教是正确的。
3149	You're referring to individual suspicions and individual lines of inquiry	你指的是个人的怀疑 和个别的调查线
3150	What this motion is referring to you and what I hope I think we have the point sir.	这个动议指的是你什么 我希望我们有重点,先生
3151	Please allow the speaker to respond	请发言者回答。
3152	Please allow the speaker to respond.	请发言者作出答复。
3153	Thank you.	谢谢
3154	Well, there was about four questions in there	里面有四个问题
3155	I'm not sure which one to respond to I'll go with the second or the third or maybe the fifth	我不知道哪一个能回应我 第二,第三,也许第五
3156	I'm not sure what I would say to you is	我不知道我会说什么给你
3157	In America, they're very suspicious of Islam and they've had a very successful immigration policy over here	在美国,他们很怀疑伊斯兰教, 他们有一个非常成功的移民政策在这里
3158	We're increasingly as a society suspicious of Islam for some of the reasons I've mentioned including the rape gangs	我们社会越来越怀疑伊斯兰教 包括强奸团伙
3159	including the mi5 terror watchlist made up	包括Mi5恐怖监视名单
3160	Overwhelmingly of Islamist terrorists.	压倒伊斯兰恐怖分子.
3161	So I hope that answers one of your vast array of questions now for those reasons	所以我希望这能回答你们众多的问题之一
3162	Mr.	劳伦斯先生
3163	Chair	页:1
3164	Including the fact that most of this room have probably been very suspicious of my propositions for the last 10 minutes and maybe rightly so	包括这个事实,这个房间的大部分 可能一直非常怀疑 我的建议 在过去10分钟,也许是正确的
3165	I'm also suspicious of Islam and for those reasons.	我也怀疑伊斯兰教 和这些原因。
3166	Mr.	劳伦斯先生
3167	Chair.	师曰.
3168	I beg the house to vote in	我恳求这房子投票
3169	Proposition.	提议.
3170	Thank you very much.	谢谢
3171	I	一、导 言
3172	Thank the honorable gentleman for that speech closing the case for the proposition and I call upon the ex-librarian Trinity	感谢这位光荣的先生的演讲 结束了这个提议,我呼吁前自由派三一
3173	Sir, Jacob to close the case for the opposition	先生,雅各布 结束对反对派的诉讼
3174	Mr. Chairman, may I begin by adding my congratulations to the president for being incredibly?	主席先生,我首先要祝贺主席令人难以置信。
3175	steadfast and stalwart	坚固而坚固,
3176	Against extraordinary pressure and hostility from people who ought to have known better and should have supported her in defending free speech	面对来自本该更了解并应该支持她捍卫言论自由的人的极大压力和敌意
3177	And I thank mr	感谢您
3178	Robinson for accepting the invitation to come to an audience that he didn't necessarily expect to be favorable	罗宾逊接受邀请来到观众席 他未必期望得到好评
3179	Free speech requires both sides of the argument to be put	言论自由要求将辩词的两侧放在
3180	We also congratulate the member who just spoke from Christchurch for his elegant speech	我们还祝贺刚刚从克里斯蒂安彻奇发言的成员所作的优雅发言。
3181	Which unfortunately elegantly spoke about a different motion and that is often a problem with the Oxford Union	不幸地,它优雅地谈到 不同的动议, 这经常是一个问题 牛津联盟
3182	Society that when a motion says one thing and a speaker thinks something else he tries and talk around the subject	社会上,当一个动议说一件事,一个演讲者想别的东西时, 他试图围绕这个话题说话
3183	No, we've had quite a bit from you already, but we might come back to	不,我们已经从你那里得到了很多, 但我们可能会回来
3184	We might come back to laser	我们可能会回到激光
3185	I want to speak strictly to the motion.	我想对动议严格说几句
3186	The West is right to be suspicious of Islam and	西方怀疑伊斯兰教和
3187	Here mr. Chairman, I'm disappointed	这里,先生。 会长,我很失望
3188	Because I thought I was coming up against the hard men of the right of British politics	因为我以为我是来对抗英国政治权的硬汉的
3189	the people who have a reputation for being tough and	那些有名气的人 以强硬和
3190	forthright and	直线和
3191	powerfully patriotic	强烈的爱国主义
3192	And it turns out that they are we sleek it carry	结果发现他们就是我们... ... .
3193	Intimorous beasties because they have no confidence in the West in their nation in the religion that has made our nation	令人发指的野兽 因为他们对西方没有信心 他们的民族对宗教充满信心
3194	Fine and great and strong	好,好,好,强
3195	Instead they're sitting there in their homes at night	相反,他们晚上坐在家里
3196	Fretting that we're suddenly going to be converted to Islam.	我们突然要改信伊斯兰教了
3197	Well, I'm not let me be quite clear about this	我可没说清楚
3198	Okay	还好
3199	Because I believe in the enormous strength of the West and of Western values	因为我相信西方和西方价值观的巨大力量
3200	And one of those Western values is that we believe in freedom of religion	西方的价值观之一是 我们相信宗教自由
3201	But we partly believe in that because freedom of religion freedom of ideas	但我们部分相信 因为宗教自由 思想自由
3202	Freedom of speech of which freedom of religion must be a substance has made us strong	宗教自由必须成为实质内容的言论自由使我们强大
3203	we have	我们有
3204	whisper it quietly in the West	在西方悄悄地低声说
3205	Benefited from Islam during our history.	我们历史上从伊斯兰教中受益。
3206	那Al -Khwarazimi怎么办?
3207	Serving 820 even a bit before my time who gave us the advantage of numbers	服务820 甚至比我的时代还早 给了我们数字优势
3208	It took us 300 years	我们花了300年
3209	To get his numbering system into Latin or even into English	将他的编号系统输入拉丁语甚至英文
3210	But that has been the foundation of capitalism	但这一直是资本主义的基础
3211	Without the numbering system that has come to us from Islam	没有伊斯兰教的编号系统
3212	We would not have the strength of capitalism that has made us strong and rich and prosperous and successful	我们没有资本主义的力量 使我们强大而富有 繁荣而成功
3213	But what about the Laffer curve?	那拉弗曲线呢?
3214	Now there may be some people here who like the Laffer curve.	现在可能有人喜欢拉弗曲线
3215	I love it	我喜欢
3216	I love this idea that lower taxes are a jolly good thing.	我喜欢低税是件好事
3217	I want them to be a good deal lower	我要他们低调一点
3218	but Arthur Laffer himself	但亚瑟·拉弗本人
3219	Recognizes the value of urban Caldoon who wrote	确认城市卡尔多翁的价值
3220	600 years	600岁
3221	Before Arthur Laffer in	在亚瑟·拉弗之前
3222	1377 beginning to come into my time.	1377开始进入我的时代.
3223	I think I was probably at school by then.	我想那时我可能在学校
3224	I said I hadn't come up to Oxford yet	我说我还没来牛津
3225	1377 600 years.	1377年600岁.
3226	What did he say?	他说什么?
3227	It's rather wonderful how he put it.	他这么说真好
3228	He said that when a	他说,当一个
3229	Sultan comes to the throne.	苏丹登上王位.
3230	He has low taxes and lots of income and when he's old	他的税收和收入都很低 当他老了
3231	He has high taxes and no income.	他的税收很高,没有收入.
3232	That is a beautiful	真不错
3233	Encapsulation of the Laffer curve and it comes from an Islamic scholar	拉弗尔曲线的封装 来自一位伊斯兰学者
3234	If only the West had the wisdom to be a little bit less suspicious of some things that come from Islam	如果只有西方才有智慧 对伊斯兰教中的一些东西不那么怀疑
3235	We might have lower taxes and a stronger graying economy	我们可能会有更低的税收 更强大的灰色经济
3236	And I'll go on I'll give way to you	我会继续,我会让路给你
3237	Could you maybe come up with something a little more current from an Islamic scholar like say Osama bin Laden or someone?	你能想出一个 伊斯兰学者说的更现时的东西吗 比如乌萨马·本·拉登或某个人
3238	Well, I know the side opposite of friendly obsession with him, but of mr. Bin Laden	我知道和他友善的迷恋相反的一面 本·拉丹
3239	I'm not a fan of his let me make that absolutely clear.	我不是他的粉丝 让我说清楚
3240	I	一、导 言
3241	Think he's one of the most evil men to have come into the world in the last hundred years	认为他是最邪恶的人之一 在过去的一百年里来到世界
3242	No, yes to come into the world in the last hundred years a fundamentally evil bad man	不,是的,在过去的一百年里来到这个世界 一个根本邪恶的坏人
3243	but if we go through the history of	但如果我们通过历史
3244	Orthodoxy or do I in fact want it to come into union with Rome?	东正教还是我真想和罗马结盟?
3245	And what about other people who have been important I'm going to make the comparison and I know my honorable friend opposite	其他重要人物呢? 我要做个比较 我认识我尊敬的朋友
3246	Doesn't like to have historical comparisons, but they matter we learn from our history	不喜欢有历史对比, 但它们很重要 我们学习我们的历史
3247	but the Christians in	但基督教徒们,
3248	1204	1204 (英语).
3249	Sacked and pillaged and destroyed Constantinople.	劫掠并摧毁了君士坦丁堡
3250	They stole things.	他们偷了东西。
3251	They took things some of them	他们拿走了一些东西
3252	You can still see in Venice today	今天在威尼斯还是能看到的
3253	When in 1453 the 21 year old mom at the second took Constantinople	1453年,21岁的妈妈第二次占领君士坦丁堡
3254	Do you know what he did?	你知道他做了什么吗?
3255	He wrote down some of the great works of	他写了一些伟大的作品
3256	Western literature	西方文学
3257	Scholarship and philosophy so that they were preserved.	奖学金和哲学得以保留。
3258	He had ancient manuscripts copied for their preservation	他有古老的手稿 复制保存
3259	These are documents that might otherwise have been lost to us and to Western civilization	这些都是文件,否则我们和西方文明都会失去
3260	So my starting point on this suspicion is we should of course not be suspicious	所以我的出发点是 我们当然不应该怀疑
3261	Because there are times when freedom of religion recognizing what other people can do has benefited our way of life	因为有时宗教自由 承认别人能做什么 对我们的生活方式有好处
3262	And I am a great and unapologetic	我是一个伟大的和不光彩的
3263	Advocate for our way of life	倡导我们的生活方式
3264	Because when you go back to moment the second and you roll on for the next hundred and hundred and fifty years	因为当你回到第二个时刻,你开始 一百五十年
3265	Constantinople was the greatest the richest the cleanest the most civilized city in the world	君士坦丁堡是世界上最富有 最干净的文明城市
3266	We were a backwater in comparison, but how did we succeed what made us work?	相比而言,我们是一个背水,但我们是如何成功的?
3267	What made us work is that we developed a constitutional system of which we should be immeasurably proud and which is so strong	使我们发挥作用的是,我们发展了一个宪法制度,我们应该对它感到无比自豪,它是如此强大。
3268	That we can afford to have 6% of the country being Muslims without worrying about it at all.	我们有能力让6%的国家成为穆斯林,而不必担心。
3269	They are welcome fellow citizens	他们是欢迎的同胞
3270	They are not going to take us over because our Constitution will not allow Sharia law to become the law of the land a	他们不会接管我们 因为我们的宪法不允许伊斯兰教法成为国法 a
3271	Democratic Westminster Parliament will not vote for that	民主党威斯敏斯特议会不会投票
3272	So fear not and what goes on in Iran is not what is going to happen in Westminster	所以不要害怕,伊朗发生的事 也不是威斯敏斯特将要发生的事
3273	So all these things we've heard about	我们听说的这些事
3274	Terrible punishments that apply in Islamic countries is for the birds	伊斯兰国家的可怕惩罚是针对鸟类的
3275	That is not going to be applied in the United Kingdom or in the United States or across Europe	这不会在联合王国、美国或整个欧洲适用
3276	We're going to be able to keep our way of life have confidence have faith now confidence and faith	我们要能够保持我们的生活方式 信心和信心
3277	I give way to the honorable gentleman	我让位给尊敬的先生
3278	there is no legality of	没有任何合法性
3279	Sharia law in this country as law and did you know this is one of our most ancient?	这个国家的伊斯兰教法是法律 你知道这是我们最古老的吗?
3280	Statutes that is still on the statute book the	法规书上还有
3281	1267 Statute of Marlborough makes it illegal for justice to be given out in this land by any court	1267年《马尔伯勒规约》规定,任何法院在这片土地上伸张正义都是非法的。
3282	Other than the King's Court, it is still the law of the land	除了王庭,还是国法
3283	It is one of the shortest acts of Parliament	这是议会最短的法案之一
3284	It is our law it makes our law equal for everybody in this country and anyone who has Sharia law applied to them	这是我们的法律 它使我们的法律平等 在这个国家的每一个人 和任何适用伊斯兰教法的人
3285	May apply to the King's Court to have it dis applied.	可以向国王法院申请取消申请。
3286	I'll give way again	我还会让路的
3287	Your government is in charge of conservatives in 2018 that are studying to listen to Mr. Henley	2018年你的政府负责保守派 正在学习听Henley先生的话
3288	{\fnSIMHEI\fs22\1cHFFFFFF\3cHFF8000}这是你的政府决定的 {\fnSIMHEI\fs22\1cHFFFFFF\3cHFF8000}我们将会遵守这一点
3289	I know the point.	我知道这一点。
3290	I will happily answer this	我很乐意回答这个
3291	They are tribunals.	他们是法庭。
3292	That's the point.	这就是重点。
3293	They are not compulsory law the holy Catholic and apostolic church	天主教和教义教会不是强制性法律
3294	judges on marriages	婚姻问题法官
3295	It is allowed to the Act Against Appeals was repealed in the 1960s	1960年代废除了《反上诉法》。
3296	There are other churches and other places that have their own internal laws, but they do not overtake	还有其他教会和其他地方有自己的内部法律,但不会超越
3297	I won't give way again.	我不会再让路了
3298	It's getting late.	渐渐迟.
3299	I think everyone's probably quite keen to go home	我想大家可能都很热衷于回家
3300	But we've outlasted the protesters haven't we which is I think that they don't need to have done	但我们已经超过抗议者了,不是吗? 我认为他们不需要这样做。
3301	Wow	哗
3302	Lord, I've been having a go	主啊,我一直在尝试
3303	It's not for doing wet wipes, but they're the serious wet wipes.	这不是用来擦湿的, 但他们是严重的湿擦。
3304	Come on	来吧
3305	I'll go back to the way to go	我会回到过去
3306	The Women's Institute	妇女协会
3307	Marvelously, I think it's a fantastic organization	令人惊叹的是,我觉得这是一个很棒的组织
3308	But I don't particularly need to take my political opinions from the Women's Institute that a few	但我并不特别需要从妇女研究所 接受我的政治观点
3309	Institutes right to say they're suspicious of something is not only writ.	机构说他们怀疑某事是正确的 不仅仅是命令。
3310	It has to be said	不得不说
3311	It's the question I won't give way any further because I do need to allow people to go home and to bed to sleep a chance	这个问题我不会再放弃了 因为我确实需要允许人们回家睡觉
3312	to dream	做梦
3313	but I wish to	不过我想
3314	Or in some cases they have other intentions, but I won't go into that	或在某些情况下 他们有其他意图, 但我不会去
3315	They may worry it's not allowed under some laws or another and it's probably not allowed by Holy Mother Church either	他们可能担心某些法律不允许这么做 圣母教会也可能不允许这么做
3316	So anyway, I'm expecting everyone to behave very well	所以不管怎样,我期望大家表现得非常好
3317	I want to stick to this constitutional point because we should be so proud of our Constitution and what is it?	我想坚持这个宪法观点,因为我们应该为我们的宪法感到自豪,什么是宪法?
3318	It is democracy.	这是民主。
3319	It is the rights of property.	这是财产权。
3320	It is the rule of law	这是法治
3321	It is freedom of speech if you go back to my great heroes to John Fortescue	这是言论自由 如果你回到我伟大的英雄 约翰·福特斯库
3322	He sets this out set this out in the 15th century saying why it works in this country	他把这个写在15世纪 说为什么它在这个国家工作
3323	Why we are prosperous is because the King is under the law not the law and that's why over hundreds of years	为什么我们繁荣是因为国王是依法的,而不是法律的 这就是为什么数百年来
3324	We have reached and countries like us have reached this level of prosperity	我们已经到达,像我们这样的国家也达到了这种繁荣水平
3325	Which Constantinople failed to do because in totalitarian despotic regimes	君士坦丁堡之所以失败 是因为极权统治
3326	What you make can be stolen this isn't Islam	你做的可以被偷 这不是伊斯兰教
3327	It was the way Constantinople was run and if you look at the Islamic countries	这是君士坦丁堡的运行方式 如果你看看伊斯兰国家
3328	most of them have very corrupt and bad governments and	他们大多拥有非常腐败和糟糕的政府
3329	That has led to serious problems for them and the ones that have money are beginning to try and copy us	这给他们带来了严重的问题 那些有钱的人开始尝试抄袭我们
3330	So the UAE and very slowly Saudi Arabia are trying to develop to be more like us if I were in Saudi Arabia	所以阿联酋 和非常缓慢的沙特阿拉伯 试图发展 更像我们 如果我在沙特阿拉伯
3331	I would be saying I'm very suspicious of Christian values because that's what they're beginning to have imposed on them	我会说我非常怀疑基督教价值观 因为这就是他们开始强加给他们的
3332	Why because our values work our values have led to prosperity and they support	为什么因为我们的价值观起作用 我们的价值观导致繁荣 他们支持
3333	freedom of religion	宗教自由
3334	But I'm going to upset all my friends who I've been supporting this evening at this point because	但我要让今晚一直支持的朋友 都心烦意乱
3335	Fundamental to our values is of course our Lord and Savior	我们的价值观的根本当然是主和救世主
3336	the reason the West is strong is because of Christ and because and	西方之所以强大 是因为基督
3337	because of	因为
3338	Resurrection and the resurrection is born witness to in the Gospels	复活和复活,都是在《引支勒》中被证明的。
3339	It is born witness to by the deaths of the Apostles who were martyred having seen	众使者的死见证了他们的死亡。
3340	the resurrection and	复活和
3341	That underpins the values of our society and as our Lord himself said to st	这是社会价值观的基础 正如我们的主自己所说
3342	Peter you are the rock on which I build my church and the gates of hell shall never prevail	彼得,你是我建造教堂的石头 地狱之门永远不会胜利
3343	Nothing will prevail against our values because our values are underpinned by that underlying truth	我们的价值观不会占上风,因为我们的价值观以这一根本真理为基础
3344	That is Christ and that is why I object to this motion so strongly.	这是基督,因此我强烈反对这项动议。
3345	I think it is misplaced	我觉得是错的
3346	I think it's basically cowardly.	我认为这基本上是懦夫。
3347	I think it is weak	我觉得很弱
3348	I think it accuses individuals of having a collective guilt, which is Marxism and that's not hard right at all over there	我认为它指责个人有 集体的内疚, 这是马克思主义, 这是不难 在那里所有的权利
3349	Desperate old pink hose it turns out but it comes	绝望的老粉红色的软管 结果却来了
3350	Fundamentally down to what our values are built on and mr. Chairman	从根本上讲,我们的价值是建立在什么之上的。 页:1
3351	I'm very glad you're ruled in favor of	我很高兴你被裁定赞成
3352	Objects because I have an object in my pocket.	因为我口袋里有东西
3353	I have an object which is a cross the cross	我有一件东西是十字架
3354	Literally on which our Lord and Savior died because inside there is a piece of the true cross	从字面上看,我们的主和救世主死了 因为里面有一块真正的十字架
3355	Christus vincette	克里斯图斯·文塞特
3356	Christus regnus Christus imprat	克里斯图斯·雷格努斯·克里斯图斯·皮拉特
3357	Christus regnus Christus Imparat	克里斯图斯·雷格努斯·克里斯图斯·伊姆帕拉特

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