白宫新闻发布会 20260505：美国务卿鲁比奥白宫简报会
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| 0:06 | Hello, thank you guys for having me today. | 你好,谢谢你今天邀请我 |
| 0:09 | I'll be filling in for Caroline today, obviously. | 显然我今天要替Caroline代班 |
| 0:12 | So I'll have a brief remarks here and then we'll get to your questions. | 所以,我在这里有一个简短的评论 然后我们来谈谈你的问题。 |
| 0:18 | As you know, over the weekend the President announced this project, Freedom, | 如你所知 周末总统宣布了这个项目 自由 |
| 0:22 | and the goal of it is to frankly, if you want to talk about it, | 并且它的目标是坦率的, 如果你想谈论它, |
| 0:24 | it's to rescue like almost 23,000 civilians from 87 different countries | 拯救来自87个不同国家的近23 000名平民 |
| 0:28 | that are trapped inside of the Gulf and left for dead in the Persian Gulf | 他们被困在海湾 并留在波斯湾待死 |
| 0:34 | by this Iranian regime. | 被这个伊朗政权。 |
| 0:36 | You know, for more than two months now these innocent sailors | 你知道,两个多月了 这些无辜的水手 |
| 0:39 | and commercial crew members have been stranded out at sea | 商业船员被困在海上 |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
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| 1 | Hello, thank you guys for having me today. | 你好,谢谢你今天邀请我 |
| 2 | I'll be filling in for Caroline today, obviously. | 显然我今天要替Caroline代班 |
| 3 | So I'll have a brief remarks here and then we'll get to your questions. | 所以,我在这里有一个简短的评论 然后我们来谈谈你的问题。 |
| 4 | As you know, over the weekend the President announced this project, Freedom, | 如你所知 周末总统宣布了这个项目 自由 |
| 5 | and the goal of it is to frankly, if you want to talk about it, | 并且它的目标是坦率的, 如果你想谈论它, |
| 6 | it's to rescue like almost 23,000 civilians from 87 different countries | 拯救来自87个不同国家的近23 000名平民 |
| 7 | that are trapped inside of the Gulf and left for dead in the Persian Gulf | 他们被困在海湾 并留在波斯湾待死 |
| 8 | by this Iranian regime. | 被这个伊朗政权。 |
| 9 | You know, for more than two months now these innocent sailors | 你知道,两个多月了 这些无辜的水手 |
| 10 | and commercial crew members have been stranded out at sea | 商业船员被困在海上 |
| 11 | because Iran is conducting something that's not just criminal. | 因为伊朗正在做 不仅仅是犯罪的东西。 |
| 12 | It's criminal for sure, but it's desperate and destructive, | 肯定有犯罪倾向,但很绝望和破坏力 |
| 13 | this blockade of the Straits of Hormuz. | 对霍尔木兹海峡的封锁 |
| 14 | Nations from around the world, the overwhelming majority of whom | 全世界绝大多数国家 |
| 15 | are not even engaged in any military hostilities, | 甚至没有参与任何军事敌对行动, |
| 16 | are now at risk not just of losing their cargo, | 现在有失去货物的危险 |
| 17 | but the lives of their own citizens because of this blockade. | 但是他们自己的公民的生命 因为这个封锁。 |
| 18 | These ships, you know, you don't leave a ship out there for this long. | 这些船,你知道,你不会离开 船在那里这么久。 |
| 19 | You start running out of food, you start running out of potable water, | 你开始用光食物 开始用光饮用水 |
| 20 | essential supplies, and they're at the mercy of this piracy. | 他们受海盗的摆布 |
| 21 | What it is, it's piracy. | 什么,这是盗版。 |
| 22 | And not only that, but some of them have seen an open fire on | 不仅如此,他们中有些人还看见了一场大火 |
| 23 | and rained down senseless attacks on several civilian ships already. | 并降下对几艘民用舰船的无谓攻击。 |
| 24 | So frankly, the way to put it, these are innocent bystanders. | 坦率地说,他们是无辜的旁观者。 |
| 25 | These are countries and ships and so forth that have nothing to do with any of this | 这些国家和船只等等 与任何这一切无关 |
| 26 | and nonetheless are being caught in the middle of it | 却被夹在中间 |
| 27 | and being held hostage merely because Iran could do that | 并仅仅因为伊朗可以这样做而被扣为人质 |
| 28 | just because of, just as the regime brutally slaughtered | 仅仅因为,就像政权残酷屠杀 |
| 29 | tens of thousands of their own citizens for the crime of peaceful protest | 数以万计的本国公民为和平抗议罪 |
| 30 | because they're unhappy with the quality of life | 因为他们对生活质量不满意 |
| 31 | or the lack of quality of life in Iran today. | 或者今天伊朗的生活质量不足 |
| 32 | And so they're sitting ducks. | 所以他们是坐鸭子。 |
| 33 | They're isolated, they're starving, they're vulnerable, | 他们被隔离,他们挨饿,他们脆弱, |
| 34 | and at least 10 sailors have already died as a result of the civilian sailors. | 而至少有10名水手已经因平民水手而死亡. |
| 35 | So already many nations privately and some publicly have asked the United States | 已经有很多国家私下和公开地问过美国 |
| 36 | to help free their ships and to restore freedom of navigation | 帮助释放他们的船舶并恢复航行自由 |
| 37 | in the Straits of Hormuz and this critical artery of global trade. | 在霍尔穆兹海峡 和全球贸易的关键动脉。 |
| 38 | And so President Trump, as he always does, stepped up | 所以川普总统一如既往地加紧行动 |
| 39 | and answered the calls for their help. | 并响应他们的号召。 |
| 40 | And he's directed the United States military to guide these stranded ships to safety, | 他指示美国军方 引导这些搁浅的船舶安全 |
| 41 | to provide a protective bubble under which they can operate | * 提供一个保护性泡沫,供它们操作 |
| 42 | and move product and get themselves out of there and out of harm's way. | 并移动产品 并获得自己 离开那里和摆脱伤害的方式。 |
| 43 | And this is the first step towards reopening the strait | 这是重开海峡的第一步 |
| 44 | and bringing this regime's last-ditch act of economic arson, | 并带来了这个政权的最后 肮脏的经济纵火行为, |
| 45 | bringing that to a close. | 结束这一切。 |
| 46 | We're doing it not only because we were asked, | 我们这样做不仅是因为我们被问到, |
| 47 | but because we're the only ones who can. | 因为我们是唯一可以做到的 |
| 48 | Only we have the power to sort of take the steps that we've taken now. | 只有我们有能力采取我们现在采取的步骤。 |
| 49 | Under this president, under President Trump, the United States will help our friends. | 在这个总统的领导下,在特朗普总统的领导下,美国将帮助我们的朋友. |
| 50 | We're going to stand up to rogue regimes like the one in Tehran. | 我们要面对像德黑兰那样的无赖政权 |
| 51 | And we're going to be unashamed to use our power and our abilities | 我们将会毫不羞愧地利用我们的力量和能力 |
| 52 | to project military power in the service of our national interest above all else. | 将军事力量投射在我们国家利益之上。 |
| 53 | Now, what's really important for you to report and for everyone to understand | 现在,什么是真正重要的 你报告,和每个人都明白 |
| 54 | is this is not an offensive operation. | 这不是进攻行动 |
| 55 | This is a defensive operation. | 这是一个防御行动。 |
| 56 | And what that means is very simple. | 这意味着非常简单。 |
| 57 | There's no shooting unless we're shot at first, okay? | 除非我们先被射中,否则不会开枪,好吗? |
| 58 | We're not attacking them. | 我们不是攻击他们。 |
| 59 | But if they are attacking us or they're attacking a ship, | 但如果他们要攻击我们 或者他们要攻击一艘船 |
| 60 | you need to respond to that. | 你得对此做出回应 |
| 61 | You're not going to let some fast boat come up on a ship and shoot it up. | 你不会让一些快艇上船来拍的 |
| 62 | We're going to respond to it. | 将应之. |
| 63 | And we've been successful at it. | 并获成功. |
| 64 | I don't know what the exact number is, | 我不知道确切数字是什么 |
| 65 | but I know a number of those fast boats have now been targeted | 但我知道一些快艇现在成了目标 |
| 66 | and will continue to be if they pose a threat to our forces. | 如果它们对我们的部队构成威胁,就将继续如此。 |
| 67 | We'll shoot down drones. | 我们会击落无人机。 |
| 68 | We'll shoot down missiles. | 我们将击落导弹。 |
| 69 | But it's defensive in nature. | 但它在性质上是防御性的. |
| 70 | This is defensive. | 这是防御性的。 |
| 71 | So if you hear stories about attacks and launching, firing back and forth, | 所以,如果你听到关于攻击和发射, 前后射击的故事, |
| 72 | it's not back and forth. | 它不是来回的。 |
| 73 | We are only responding if attacked first. | 我们只有先被攻击才有反应 |
| 74 | This is a defensive operation. | 这是一个防御行动。 |
| 75 | And that's what's occurring here. | 这就是这里发生的事情。 |
| 76 | Just about the importance of the Straits for a moment. | 只是关于两海峡的重要性 片刻。 |
| 77 | This is approximately a quarter of the world's oil trade, | 这是世界石油贸易的四分之一 |
| 78 | along with significant volumes of fuel and fertilizer | 以及大量燃料和肥料 |
| 79 | that operate through the Straits of Hormuz. | 穿过霍尔穆兹海峡 |
| 80 | The Iranian regime cannot be allowed to dictate who uses this vital waterway. | 不能允许伊朗政权支配谁使用这条重要水道。 |
| 81 | I don't think this is also being reported enough. | 我觉得这个报道不够多 |
| 82 | Maybe you are reporting. | 也许你在报道 |
| 83 | I don't read every one. | 不遍读诵. |
| 84 | I don't have many damn outlets here. | 我这里没有太多的插座 |
| 85 | I don't know who you all are. | 我不知道你们是谁 |
| 86 | I mean, I know who some of you are, but I don't know all of you are. | 我的意思是,我知道你们是谁, 但我不知道你们都是。 |
| 87 | But I will say this about it. | 但我会说这一点。 |
| 88 | This is an international waterway. | 这是一条国际水道。 |
| 89 | And international law is very clear. | 国际法非常明确。 |
| 90 | And I love it because everybody always talks about international law on this. | 我喜欢它,因为每个人都在谈论国际法。 |
| 91 | International law on this is very clear. | 国际法对此非常明确。 |
| 92 | International waterways, no country can control them. | 国际水道,任何国家都不能控制. |
| 93 | There is no international law that allows you to say, | 没有任何国际法允许你这样说, |
| 94 | I'm going to put mines in an international body of water, | 我要把地雷放进国际水体 |
| 95 | and I'm going to blow up ships that don't listen to us and try to go through. | 我要炸掉不听我们说话的船 试着通过 |
| 96 | That's what Iran is doing. | 伊朗就是这样做的。 |
| 97 | This is a criminal act. | 这是犯罪行为 |
| 98 | And someone needs to do something about it. | 得有人做点什么 |
| 99 | Something needs to be done. | 需要做点什么。 |
| 100 | It's completely illegal, completely illegitimate, and completely unacceptable. | 这是完全非法的,完全非法的,完全不能接受的. |
| 101 | And that's why the United States military is guiding | 这就是为什么美国军方在指导 |
| 102 | stranded commercial ships safely through the strait | 搁浅的商船安全通过海峡 |
| 103 | and is working to restore freedom of navigation | 并正在努力恢复航行自由 |
| 104 | and putting an end to these efforts to hold the global economy hostage. | 并结束这些劫持全球经济的努力。 |
| 105 | So far, as a proof of concept and as a proof of function, | 到目前为止,作为概念的证明和功能的证明, |
| 106 | two U.S. flag merchant ships have successfully transferred the Strait of Hormuz | 两艘美国国旗商船成功转移了霍尔木兹海峡 |
| 107 | in the first stages of this project, and they're now safely on their way. | 在这个项目的第一阶段, 他们现在安全地在路上。 |
| 108 | The U.S. military is deploying the necessary assets | 美国军方正在部署必要的资产 |
| 109 | to extend this defensive umbrella over commercial shipping. | 将这一防御伞扩大到商业航运。 |
| 110 | But there should be no mistake. | 但不应该有错误。 |
| 111 | And as I said this already, this is a defensive operation. | 正如我已经说过的, 这是一个防御行动。 |
| 112 | I want to reiterate that point. | 我要重申这一点。 |
| 113 | This is important to understand. | 这很重要 理解。 |
| 114 | If no shots are fired at these ships and no shots are fired at us, | 如果不向这些船开枪 也没有向我们开枪 |
| 115 | we're not firing shots. | 我们不会开枪的 |
| 116 | But if we're fired on, we will respond, and we will respond with lethal efficiency. | 但是,如果我们被射中,我们将作出反应,我们将以致命的效率作出反应。 |
| 117 | The assets supporting this project, by the way, include guided missile destroyers, | 顺便提一下,支持这个项目的资产包括制导导弹驱逐舰, |
| 118 | over 100 land- and sea-based aircraft, multi-domain unmanned platforms, | * 100多架陆基和海基飞机,多领域无人驾驶平台, |
| 119 | and 15,000 of the finest military service members on the planet. | 以及地球上最好的15,000名军人 |
| 120 | These forces have already destroyed, as I told you earlier, I thought it was six, | 这些部队已经摧毁了, 正如我之前告诉你的, 我认为它是六, |
| 121 | it's seven Iranian fast boats that failed to heed our warnings. | 是七艘伊朗快艇没有听从我们的警告 |
| 122 | And by fast boats, we're talking about, you know, | 通过快艇,我们正在谈论,你知道, |
| 123 | some of these things look like Boston whalers, okay? | 有些东西看起来像波士顿捕鲸者,好吗? |
| 124 | So these are not like Navy ships. | 所以这些不像海军的船 |
| 125 | But nonetheless, they come fast at these boats, try to swarm them, try to harm them. | 但是,尽管如此,他们还是急忙赶到这些船只上,试图围捕他们,试图伤害他们. |
| 126 | We're not going to let that happen. | 我们不会让这种事发生的 |
| 127 | So seven of them now sit at the bottom of the sea, | 所以现在有七个人坐在海底 |
| 128 | along with, by the way, the rest of Iran's Navy. | 顺便说一句,还有伊朗海军的其余部分。 |
| 129 | That's where you can find their Navy today. | 那就是你今天能找到他们的海军的地方 |
| 130 | And we're going to continue to systematically clear this passageway | 我们将继续系统清理这条通道 |
| 131 | through the straits to restore freedom of navigation. | 通过海峡恢复航行自由。 |
| 132 | Now, while this project steadily progresses, | 现在,虽然这个项目稳步推进, |
| 133 | Operation Epic Fury, Economic Fury, I'm sorry, | 暴动,经济暴动,我很抱歉, |
| 134 | continues to impose maximum pressure on the Iranian regime | 对伊朗政权继续施加最大压力 |
| 135 | and what remains of their already frail economy. | 以及他们已经脆弱的经济。 |
| 136 | Today, inflation in Iran is 70 percent, | 今天,伊朗的通货膨胀率是70%, |
| 137 | and their currency is in total and complete freefall. | 他们的货币是完全和完全自由的。 |
| 138 | U.S. sanctions enforcement is stepping up. | 美国制裁执法力度加大. |
| 139 | It's moving in lockstep with the naval blockade to degrade Iran's capacity | 它与海军封锁紧密相连 以降低伊朗的能力 |
| 140 | to generate, to move, and repatriate revenue. | 产生、移动和汇回收入。 |
| 141 | It directly targets the regime's primary revenue lifelines. | 它直接针对政权的主要收入生命线. |
| 142 | The blockade alone is costing Iran as much as $500 million a day in lost revenue. | 仅封锁就使伊朗每天损失5亿美元的收入。 |
| 143 | Ninety percent of total Iranian trade has been halted, | 伊朗贸易总额的90%已经停止, |
| 144 | causing permanent damage to Iran's oil infrastructure, | 对伊朗石油基础设施造成永久破坏, |
| 145 | as wells are forced to shut in. | 井被迫关闭。 |
| 146 | Again, all of this is in response to their piracy. | 同样,所有这一切都是为了对付海盗。 |
| 147 | It cannot be that you have these straits, | 你不可能有这些海峡, |
| 148 | and they blow up any ship that moves, and the only ships they get to go through are theirs. | 他们炸掉任何能移动的船 唯一能穿过的船就是他们的船 |
| 149 | You can't have a situation in which the straits are close to everyone else, | 你不能有一种情况 海峡是接近其他人, |
| 150 | but they benefit from the piracy. | 但他们从海盗活动中获益。 |
| 151 | That can't happen. | 这不可能 |
| 152 | That's why the blockade is in place, | 这就是为什么封锁的存在, |
| 153 | and that's why these sanctions are crippling them. | 这也是为什么这些制裁 正在摧残他们。 |
| 154 | Any foreign financial, by the way, Treasury is now identifying | 顺便说一句,财政部现在发现任何外国金融 |
| 155 | and cutting off every dollar of revenue that's flowing to this regime. | 并切断每一美元的收入 流向这个政权。 |
| 156 | And so, look, any foreign financial institution or commercial actor | 所以,看,任何外国金融机构或商业行为者 |
| 157 | that enables Iran's sanctions evasion is going to face secondary sanctions exposure | 让伊朗逃避制裁 将面临二次制裁的风险 |
| 158 | and a loss of access to the U.S. financial system. | 以及无法进入美国金融系统 |
| 159 | As President Trump has said, and the facts clearly bear out, | 正如特朗普总统所说,事实清楚证明, |
| 160 | the United States of America holds all the cards. | 美国持有所有牌。 |
| 161 | There is no scenario here in which if they decide to join a ladder of escalation, | 这里没有假设 如果他们决定加入升级梯子, |
| 162 | they wind up getting the last say. | 他们最后才说 |
| 163 | But our preference is for these straits to be opened | 但我们更喜欢打开这些海峡 |
| 164 | to the way they're supposed to be opened, back to the way it was. | 回到原来的样子 |
| 165 | Anyone can use it. | 任何人都可以使用它。 |
| 166 | No mines in the water. | 水中无地雷. |
| 167 | Nobody paying tolls. | 没有人支付费用。 |
| 168 | That's what we have to get back to, and that's the goal here. | 这就是我们要做的,这就是我们的目标。 |
| 169 | Every day the conflict continues, however. | 然而,冲突每天都在继续。 |
| 170 | Our leverage on Iran will continue to increase, | 我们对伊朗的影响力将继续增加, |
| 171 | and their position will continue to weaken, | 他们的地位将继续削弱, |
| 172 | especially as the blockade really begins to bite in conjunction with the sanctions. | 特别是封锁确实开始与制裁同时发生。 |
| 173 | So, look, the times come for Iran to make a sensible choice, | 所以,你看,时机到了 伊朗作出明智的选择, |
| 174 | and it's not easy for them to do that, obviously, | 他们这样做并不容易,显然, |
| 175 | because they have a fracture in their own leadership system, | 因为他们自己的领导系统有骨折, |
| 176 | and apart from that, I mean, the top people in that government are, | 除此以外,我是说, 那个政府的顶尖人物是, |
| 177 | to say the least, you know, they're insane in the brain. | 至少,你知道,他们在大脑里是疯了。 |
| 178 | And so we need to address that, and it's difficult | 所以我们需要解决这个问题, 这很困难 |
| 179 | because it's hard to get past that in their system. | 因为在他们的系统里 很难克服这些 |
| 180 | But it's important for them to make a sensible choice | 但他们必须做出明智的选择 |
| 181 | in the one that's right for their people. | 在一个适合他们的人民。 |
| 182 | The President, our President, has proven time and again | 我们的总统一再证明 |
| 183 | that his preference is peace. | 他喜欢的是和平 |
| 184 | But Iran must accept the reality of this situation | 但伊朗必须接受现实 |
| 185 | and come to the negotiation table and accept terms | 来到谈判桌上接受条件 |
| 186 | that are good for them but ultimately good for the world. | 这对他们有好处,但最终对世界有好处。 |
| 187 | The diplomatic path, if there's a real diplomatic path, | 外交途径,如果有真正的外交途径, |
| 188 | I'm not sure what's going to be one, | 我不确定会是什么 |
| 189 | but if there's a real diplomatic path and we continue to explore it, | 但如果有一条真正的外交途径 我们继续探索 |
| 190 | Steve and Jared are working on that very hard, | 史蒂夫和贾里德正在努力 |
| 191 | if there is one there, it could be one that leads them to reconstruction, | 如果那里有一个, 它可能引导他们重建, |
| 192 | to prosperity, and to stability, | 至於繁荣和稳定, |
| 193 | and to not posing a threat to the world. | 不对世界构成威胁。 |
| 194 | The alternative is growing isolation, economic collapse, | 另一种选择是越来越孤立 经济崩溃 |
| 195 | and ultimately total defeat. | 最终彻底失败 |
| 196 | I know what the right choice is for Iran. | 我知道伊朗的正确选择是什么。 |
| 197 | I hope that the people over there making decisions | 我希望那边的人能做决定 |
| 198 | will make the right one. | 会做一个正确的。 |
| 199 | The last point I would make, | 我最后要说的是, |
| 200 | and it really is important for them to understand this, | 他们必须明白这一点, |
| 201 | is they really shouldn't test the will of the United States, | 他们真的不应该测试 美国的意志, |
| 202 | at least not under President Donald Trump. | 至少不是在唐纳德·特朗普总统手下 |
| 203 | He has proven time and again that he will back up what he says. | 他一再证明他会支持他说的话。 |
| 204 | And if they test him, ultimately they will lose. | 如果他们测试他,他们最终会输的。 |
| 205 | The hard way, the easy way, the long way, the short way, they will lose. | 难路,易路,远路,短路,必败. |
| 206 | And with that, it's time for your questions. | 有了这个,是时候问你的问题了。 |
| 207 | So, Catherine, why don't we start with you first. | 凯瑟琳 我们先从你开始吧 |
| 208 | Hi, Captain Journalist. | 嗨,船长记者。 |
| 209 | Secretary Rubio, have you seen any recent indications | 鲁比奥国务卿,你有没有看到最近的迹象 |
| 210 | that Iran is willing to give up its nuclear weapons program | 伊朗愿意放弃其核武器计划 |
| 211 | that is credible, verifiable, | 这是可信、可核查的, |
| 212 | and that would lead to an immediate de-escalation? | 这将导致立即降级? |
| 213 | Well, look, this is a longstanding problem for them, right? | 好吧,你看,这是一个长期的问题 他们,对不对? |
| 214 | I mean, they have wanted it. | 我的意思是,他们已经想要它。 |
| 215 | They have always said they don't want a nuclear weapon. | 他们总是说不想有核武器 |
| 216 | That's because they've always said that. | 因为他们总是这么说 |
| 217 | They just don't mean it. | 他们不是故意的 |
| 218 | And why do you say, well, how do you know they don't mean it? | 那你为什么说 你怎么知道他们不是这个意思? |
| 219 | Well, we don't mean it because they're doing all the things | 我们不是说真的 因为他们在做所有的事情 |
| 220 | and historically have tried to do all the things that you do | 并且历史上一直试图做 你所做的一切 |
| 221 | if you want a nuclear weapons program. | 如果你想要核武器计划的话 |
| 222 | For example, they innovate and try to innovate long-range delivery missiles | 例如,它们创新并试图创新远程运载导弹 |
| 223 | that now in some cases are capable of reaching much of Europe. | 在某些情况下,现在能够到达欧洲的大部分地区。 |
| 224 | They build these large underground centrifuges for enrichment activity. | 他们建造这些大型地下离心机用于浓缩活动. |
| 225 | There are countries in the world that are involved in the enrichment business, | 世界上有一些国家参与浓缩企业, |
| 226 | but these guys do it in mountains and in caves and in hiding. | 但是这些人在山上 洞穴里 躲藏起来 |
| 227 | They've always had secret components of their nuclear program | 他们的核计划总是有秘密部件 |
| 228 | undisclosed to the world. | 未明众生. |
| 229 | And we know for a fact that they retain highly enriched uranium at 60 percent, | 我们知道他们保留了60%的高浓缩铀 |
| 230 | that they did so, and that has no civilian use, none, zero whatsoever. | 他们这样做了,这没有民用,没有,没有任何民用。 |
| 231 | So they have an opportunity here to agree to something | 所以他们有机会同意一些事情 |
| 232 | that will make it clear that they are not interested in a new... | 他们对新的... |
| 233 | One thing is to say we don't want a nuclear weapon. | 有一件事是说我们不想要核武器。 |
| 234 | Another thing is to do the things that prove you don't want a nuclear weapon. | 另一件事是做那些证明你不希望核武器的事情. |
| 235 | By the way, if what Iran wants is a civilian nuclear program | 顺便说一句 如果伊朗想要的是民用核计划 |
| 236 | for power plants and stuff like that, | 对于发电厂之类的东西, |
| 237 | there are a lot of countries in the world that have that, and they don't enrich. | 世界上有很多国家有这种能力,它们并不富裕。 |
| 238 | They import the enriched material. | 他们进口浓缩材料。 |
| 239 | They could have that if that's what they wanted, | 他们可以拥有,如果这是他们想要的, |
| 240 | but they're not acting like that's what they wanted. | 但他们并没有像他们想要的那样 |
| 241 | They're acting like they want a military nuclear program. | 他们的行为就像他们想要一个军事核计划。 |
| 242 | That's unacceptable. | 这是不可接受的。 |
| 243 | So that's the process we're engaged in now to create... | 这就是我们现在要创造的过程... |
| 244 | That's the object of this diplomacy, | 这就是外交的目的 |
| 245 | is to come up with some level of understanding about | 以获得某种程度的理解 |
| 246 | what are the topics that they've agreed to negotiate on. | 他们同意谈判的主题是什么? |
| 247 | We don't have to have the actual agreement written out, | 我们不需要写出真正的协议 |
| 248 | and one day this is highly complex and highly technical, | 有一天,这是高度复杂和高度技术性的, |
| 249 | but we have to have a diplomatic solution that is very clear | 但我们必须有一个非常明确的外交解决办法 |
| 250 | about the topics that they are willing to negotiate on | 关于他们愿意谈判的议题 |
| 251 | and the extent and the concessions they're willing to make at the front end | 以及他们愿意在前端做出多大程度的让步 |
| 252 | in order to make those talks worthwhile. | 为了让这些谈话变得值得 |
| 253 | That's what Steve and Jared and the whole team is working on, | 史蒂夫和贾里德以及整个团队都在努力 |
| 254 | and I hope to have good news on it. | 我希望有个好消息 |
| 255 | That's the outcome we would prefer. | 这是我们希望的结果。 |
| 256 | That's the outcome we would have preferred a year ago. | 这是我们一年前希望的结果。 |
| 257 | That's the outcome I think most of us would have preferred a long time ago, | 我认为我们大多数人都希望 很久以前, |
| 258 | but that's not the option they've given us given their activity. | 但这不是他们给我们的选择 他们的活动。 |
| 259 | All right, can I... | 好吧,我可以... ... 说说看... |
| 260 | There's no way I can figure out who to call on. | 我没办法找到找谁 |
| 261 | I'm just going to press right in the middle, right there. | 我要按在中间,就在那里。 |
| 262 | You right there, yeah. | 你在这里,是的。 |
| 263 | In the back row. | 后行间. |
| 264 | Thank you, Mr. President. | 谢谢你,总统先生。 |
| 265 | I'll go to you next. | 我下一个去找你 |
| 266 | All right, go ahead. | 好吧,继续。 |
| 267 | Thank you, Secretary Rubio. | 谢谢你,鲁比奥国务卿 |
| 268 | Welcome to the White House. | 欢迎来到白宫 |
| 269 | What's that? | 这是什么? |
| 270 | Are you talking to me, sir? | 你在跟我说话吗,先生? |
| 271 | Yeah, to you, yes, sir. | 是的,对,长官 |
| 272 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 273 | I have two questions on two separate issues that come under... | 我有两个问题涉及两个不同的问题... |
| 274 | Do they get two questions for these? | 他们有两个问题吗? |
| 275 | There's a lot of people in here. | 此中众生. |
| 276 | Hold onto your umbrella. | 拿着伞 |
| 277 | All right, you can ask me two questions, I'll give you one answer. | 好吧,你可以问我两个问题, 我给你一个答案。 |
| 278 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 279 | And I'll pick the one I like better. | 我会选一个我喜欢的。 |
| 280 | Thank you, Mr. Secretary. | 谢谢你,秘书先生。 |
| 281 | The first has to do with the blockade. | 第一条与封锁有关。 |
| 282 | There are lawmakers from both parties who claim the blockade is an act of war. | 双方都有立法者声称封锁是战争行为。 |
| 283 | What do you say to that? | 你说呢? |
| 284 | And my second question has to do with the fuel embargo of Cuba. | 我的第二个问题与古巴的燃料禁运有关。 |
| 285 | How long, Mr. Secretary, will that last? | 部长先生,这能持续多久? |
| 286 | Okay, two things. | 好吧,两件事。 |
| 287 | All right, good, I'll answer both of your questions, | 好吧,好,我会回答你们两个的问题, |
| 288 | because I like the second one, too. | 因为我也喜欢第二个 |
| 289 | The first one on the blockade, and so why do we have a blockade? | 第一个封锁问题,为什么我们有封锁? |
| 290 | We have a blockade because they shut down the streets. | 我们有封锁,因为他们关闭了街道。 |
| 291 | So I don't know which members of Congress you're talking to, | 我不知道你在跟哪个国会议员说话 |
| 292 | but here's what I would ask them. | 但我想问问他们 |
| 293 | I would ask everybody here. | 我会问大家在这里。 |
| 294 | It's very simple. | 很简单 |
| 295 | These guys have shut down the streets of Hormuz. | 这些家伙关闭了霍尔木兹的街道. |
| 296 | This is what Iran is saying. | 伊朗就是这么说的。 |
| 297 | We will shut down the streets. | 我们会关闭街道。 |
| 298 | No one can go through. | 无人能过. |
| 299 | No country in the world can go through unless we allow you to go through | 世界上没有哪个国家可以走 除非我们允许你走 |
| 300 | and you have to pay us. | 你得付我们钱 |
| 301 | But our ships can go through, meaning the Iranian ships, as much as they want. | 但我们的舰艇可以通过, 意思是伊朗的舰艇, 他们想要多少。 |
| 302 | That's crazy. | 这太疯狂了 |
| 303 | Who would agree to that? | 谁会同意? |
| 304 | So how are we going to have a situation where they get to close the streets to everybody | 那么,我们怎么才能有一个情况 他们得到关闭街道 与每个人 |
| 305 | and the only people who are allowed to go through there 100 percent | 和唯一被允许通过那里的人 100% |
| 306 | without paying anything are the Iranians? | 伊朗人没付钱吗? |
| 307 | If you do that, they'll keep the streets closed forever. | 如果你这么做 他们会永远封锁街道 |
| 308 | They're trying to make this some new normal. | 他们想让这一切变得正常 |
| 309 | Under no circumstances can we ever allow them to normalize | 我们绝对不能让他们正常化 |
| 310 | the fact that they get to blow up commercial ships and put mines in the water. | 他们可以炸掉商业船只,在水中埋设地雷。 |
| 311 | So the response to that is we're going to blockade your ships. | 所以我们要封锁你们的船 |
| 312 | If everyone's ships are not getting out, your ships are not getting out either. | 如果大家的船不出来 你们的船也不出来 |
| 313 | That's not an act of war. | 这不是战争行为 |
| 314 | That's a defensive measure. | 这是一个防御措施。 |
| 315 | It's a counter to what they have decided to do. | 这违背了他们的决定 |
| 316 | You know what is an act of war? | 你知道什么是战争吗? |
| 317 | Putting mines in the water. | 置矿于水中. |
| 318 | Why don't the members of Congress, whoever it is, is complaining about it? | 国会的议员,无论是谁,为什么不抱怨呢? |
| 319 | They should be all over that. | 他们应该都在上面 |
| 320 | These guys put mines in the water. | 这些家伙把地雷放进水里 |
| 321 | But that alone, mining in the water is illegal, period, under any circumstances, | 但仅此而已,在水中开采是非法的, 时间,在任何情况下, |
| 322 | and they've done it. | 他们做到了。 |
| 323 | This is crazy stuff, but this is what they've done. | 这是疯狂的东西, 但这是他们做了什么。 |
| 324 | On Cuba, oil blockade on Cuba, there's no oil blockade on Cuba per se. | 对古巴,对古巴的石油封锁,没有对古巴本身的石油封锁. |
| 325 | Here's what's happening with Cuba. | 以下是古巴的情况. |
| 326 | Cuba used to get free oil from Venezuela. | 古巴曾经从委内瑞拉获得自由石油. |
| 327 | It used to give them a bunch of free oil. | 曾经给他们一些免费的石油. |
| 328 | They would take like 60 percent of that oil and resell it for cash. | 他们会把60%的石油 转售给现金 |
| 329 | It wouldn't even go to benefit the people. | 它甚至不会去造福人民。 |
| 330 | So the only blockade that's happened is the Cubans have decided, | 唯一的封锁是古巴人决定 |
| 331 | I mean the Venezuelans have decided we're not giving you free oil anymore. | 委内瑞拉人已经决定 我们不再给你免费石油了 |
| 332 | And you can only imagine nowadays the way oil prices are. | 你只能想象现在的油价状况。 |
| 333 | No one's giving away free oil, much less to a failed regime. | 更别提一个失败的政权了 |
| 334 | So the problem with Cuba is worse, okay? | 所以古巴的问题更严重,好吗? |
| 335 | Their economic model doesn't work. | 他们的经济模式不起作用. |
| 336 | It doesn't work. | 亦无功用. |
| 337 | And the people who are in charge can't fix it. | 而当权之人不能修. |
| 338 | And the reason that I can't fix it is not just because they're communists. | 我无法修复的原因 不仅仅是因为他们是共产主义者 |
| 339 | That's bad enough. | 够糟了 |
| 340 | But they're incompetent communists. | 但他们是无能的共产主义者. |
| 341 | The only thing worse than a communist is an incompetent one. | 唯一比共产党人更糟糕的是无能者. |
| 342 | And that's why incompetent communists run that country. | 这也是无能的共产党人统治这个国家的原因. |
| 343 | They don't know how to fix it. | 他们不知道如何修复它。 |
| 344 | They really don't. | 他们真的不知道。 |
| 345 | And we have 90 miles from our shores a failed state. | 我们离海岸有90英里的地方 一个失败的国家 |
| 346 | That also happens to be friendly territory for some of our adversaries. | 这也是我们一些对手的友好领土。 |
| 347 | So it's an unacceptable status quo. | 所以这是无法接受的现状. |
| 348 | And we'll be addressing it, but not today. | 我们将解决这个问题,但不是今天。 |
| 349 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 350 | All right, let's go to the front. | 好吧,让我们去前面。 |
| 351 | Right there. | 就在这里。 |
| 352 | Secretary Rubio. | 鲁比奥秘书 |
| 353 | You are going to the Vatican to meet with the Pope. | 你要去梵蒂冈见教皇 |
| 354 | Is this an attempt to smooth things over with the Pope, | 这是想和教皇平息局面吗? |
| 355 | given the rhetoric between President Trump and Publia? | 特朗普总统和普布利亚的言论? |
| 356 | No. | 没有 |
| 357 | No, I mean it's a trip we had planned from before, | 不,我是说这是我们之前计划的旅行, |
| 358 | and obviously we had some stuff that happened. | 显然我们有一些事情发生了。 |
| 359 | No, look, there's a lot to talk about with the Vatican. | 不,你看,有很多 与梵蒂冈谈论。 |
| 360 | I'll give you one example. | 举一例. |
| 361 | The Pope just returned from a trip to Africa | 教皇刚从非洲回来 |
| 362 | where the church is growing very vibrantly, | 在那里,教会正在非常活跃地发展, |
| 363 | and we have shared concerns about religious freedom, | 我们同样关注宗教自由, |
| 364 | religious freedom in different parts of the world. | 世界不同地区的宗教自由。 |
| 365 | We'd love to talk to them about that. | 我们很想和他们谈谈 |
| 366 | The topic of Cuba. | 古巴主题. |
| 367 | You know, we gave Cuba $6 million of humanitarian aid, | 我们给了古巴600万美元的人道主义援助 |
| 368 | but obviously they won't let us distribute it. | 但他们显然不让我们分发 |
| 369 | We distributed it through the church. | 我们通过教堂分发的 |
| 370 | We'd like to do more. | 我们想做更多。 |
| 371 | We're willing to give more humanitarian aid to Cuba, by the way. | 顺便说一句,我们愿意向古巴提供更多的人道主义援助. |
| 372 | Distribute it through the church, | 通过教堂分发 |
| 373 | but the Cuban regime has to allow us to do it. | 但古巴政权必须允许我们这样做。 |
| 374 | They won't allow us to give their own people more humanitarian aid, | 他们不允许我们给自己的人民更多的人道主义援助 |
| 375 | and we're willing to do it through the church. | 我们愿意通过教堂来完成 |
| 376 | So there's a lot to talk about. | 故有大论. |
| 377 | The President recently said that the Pope is endangering a lot of Catholics | 总统最近说教宗正在危及许多天主教徒 |
| 378 | as a result of his rhetoric around the Iran War. | 由于他围绕伊朗战争的言论. |
| 379 | Is that a sentiment you agree with? | 你同意这种看法吗? |
| 380 | Well, I don't think that's an accurate description of what he said. | 我觉得他说的话不准确 |
| 381 | I think what the President basically said is that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon | 我认为总统基本上说的是 伊朗不能拥有核武器 |
| 382 | because they would use it against places that have a lot of Catholics | 因为他们会用来对付 有很多天主教徒的地方 |
| 383 | and Christians and others, for that matter. | 还有基督徒和其他人, |
| 384 | It goes back to the central point. | 它回到中心点。 |
| 385 | I think the President, without trying to speak for him, | 我认为总统, 不试图为他说话, |
| 386 | but I think I can characterize it this way, | 但我想我可以这样形容它 |
| 387 | he doesn't understand why anybody, leave aside the Pope, | 他不明白为什么有人离开教皇 |
| 388 | the President and I, for that matter, | 为此,总统和我, |
| 389 | I think most people, I cannot understand why anyone would think that it's a good idea | 我觉得大多数人,我不明白 为什么有人会认为这是个好主意 |
| 390 | for Iran to ever have a nuclear weapon. | 让伊朗永远拥有核武器 |
| 391 | Look what they're doing with the Straits right now. | 看看他们现在对海峡做了什么 |
| 392 | They're holding the whole world hostage. | 他们挟持着整个世界 |
| 393 | They have these sailors on commercial ships that are going to starve to death out there. | 他们有这些水手在商业船上 在那里会饿死。 |
| 394 | They don't care. | 他们不在乎。 |
| 395 | They don't care that this is melting down economies around the world, | 他们不关心这正在融化 世界各地经济, |
| 396 | even of their own allies. | 甚至他们的盟友。 |
| 397 | This is what they're doing with the Straits. | 这是他们在对海峡做的事 |
| 398 | What do you think they would do if they had a nuclear weapon? | 如果有核武器他们会怎么做? |
| 399 | They would hold the world hostage with that nuclear weapon. | 他们会用核武器来控制世界 |
| 400 | That's what they would do. | 他们会这么做的 |
| 401 | They would do exactly to the world with a nuclear weapon | 他们会用核武器来对待世界 |
| 402 | what they're doing now with the Straits. | 他们现在对海峡做了什么 |
| 403 | And I think the President's point is how anyone cannot see that as an unacceptable outcome | 我认为总统的观点是, 任何人都不能认为这是令人无法接受的结果 |
| 404 | and an unacceptable risk is beyond him. | 并且他无法接受这种危险。 |
| 405 | It's puzzling. | 迷惑众生. |
| 406 | And someone has to do something about it. | 且得有人作么生会. |
| 407 | The difference between this President and the six Presidents that preceded him | 本主席与在他之前的六位主席之间的差异 |
| 408 | were that he's the only one that's actually been willing to do something about it. | 他是唯一愿意做点什么的人 |
| 409 | Everyone says Iran can't have a nuclear weapon, | 大家都说伊朗不能有核武器 |
| 410 | but you've got to do something about it at some point. | 但你总得做点什么 |
| 411 | And he's been willing to address that threat. | 他一直愿意应对这个威胁 |
| 412 | And that's what he promised he would do when he got elected, by the way, | 顺便说一句,这就是他答应他当选后会做的 |
| 413 | is address threats like this. | 解决这种威胁 |
| 414 | Thank you so much, Mr. Secretary. | 非常感谢,部长先生。 |
| 415 | I wish I knew your name, guys. | 我希望我知道你们的名字 |
| 416 | Can you put name tags on? | 你能戴上名字标签吗? |
| 417 | Thank you so much, Mr. Secretary. | 非常感谢,部长先生。 |
| 418 | Who are you with? | 你跟谁在一起? |
| 419 | I'm with Luda Media Network. | 我是卢达传媒网的 |
| 420 | Mr. Secretary, the President has said multiple times that weapons were provided to the Kurdish groups | 秘书先生,总统多次说,向库尔德人团体提供了武器。 |
| 421 | to pass on the Iranian people. | 传递伊朗人民。 |
| 422 | However, Kurdish political parties and the regional government | 然而,库尔德政党和地区政府 |
| 423 | says they have not received such weapons, | 说他们没有收到这种武器, |
| 424 | even some claim these weapons remain in the U.S. base in the region. | 甚至有人声称这些武器仍留在该地区的美国基地。 |
| 425 | Can you clarify who those weapons were given to | 你能澄清这些武器是给谁的吗? |
| 426 | and whether you intend to retrieve them | 你是否打算拿回他们 |
| 427 | or still want to pass to the Iranian people? | 还是想传给伊朗人民? |
| 428 | Yeah, look, ultimately, what the President is expressing, | 是啊,听着,归根结底,总统的意思是, |
| 429 | and I think has repeatedly, is he wished the Iranian people had, you know... | 我想他已经再三希望伊朗人民... |
| 430 | Look, he's heartbroken by these images. | 你看,他为这些图像伤心。 |
| 431 | You think about it. | 你考虑一下 |
| 432 | You're an Iranian, okay? | 你是伊朗人,好吗? |
| 433 | You're unhappy that your economy doesn't work for you. | 你对经济不适合你感到不快 |
| 434 | You don't have freedom. | 你没有自由 |
| 435 | You don't have an opportunity to express yourself. | 你没有机会表达自己 |
| 436 | You know, you've got friends that have been shot in the head | 你知道,你有朋友 被击中头部 |
| 437 | because they're out protesting. | 因为他们在外面抗议。 |
| 438 | And he just, it's heartbreaking to him to see that these people are abused in this way | 他只是,这让他心碎 看到这些人被这样虐待 |
| 439 | and have no measures to take against their own government as a result of it. | 并没有任何措施来反对他们的政府。 |
| 440 | By the way, this goes back, if you guys remember the protests in 2009 | 顺便说一下,这又回到过去,如果你们记得2009年的抗议 |
| 441 | where they slaughtered people in the street. | 他们在街上屠杀人 |
| 442 | This is a vicious regime, guys, okay? | 这是一个邪恶的政权,伙计们,好吗? |
| 443 | These are people that hang people from cranes in the town square | 这些人把人吊在镇上的广场上 |
| 444 | so everyone can see that they continue these executions of people | 这样大家就能看到他们继续处决人民 |
| 445 | and have done continue to do so for over a decade and a half now. | 并且已经这样做了十多年半。 |
| 446 | And so I think what the President is expressing | 所以我认为总统所说的 |
| 447 | is the desire that he wishes the Iranian people had an ability to fight back | 他希望伊朗人民有能力反击 |
| 448 | against some of these things that are happening to them. | 对付他们身上发生的一些事情 |
| 449 | And I would view that as distinct and separate | 我将认为这与众不同 |
| 450 | from the specifics of this operation that was ongoing before it concluded | 在行动结束前仍在进行的行动的具体内容 |
| 451 | and certainly different from the operation that's going on now. | 肯定和现在的行动不同 |
| 452 | Right there in the... | 就在那个... |
| 453 | Regarding Colombia, Mr. Secretary... | 关于哥伦比亚,国务卿先生... |
| 454 | Right behind you, not Colombia, right there. | 就在你身后 不是哥伦比亚 就在那边 |
| 455 | Yes, ma'am. | 是,长官 |
| 456 | Mr. Secretary, thank you so much. | 秘书先生,非常感谢 |
| 457 | On Lebanon, are we in a ceasefire or less fire? | 关于黎巴嫩,我们是在停火还是少点火力? |
| 458 | And the second question, do you think you would be able to achieve | 第二个问题,你认为你能实现 |
| 459 | an agreement between Lebanon and Israel without risking a civil war in Lebanon? | 黎巴嫩和以色列之间的协议,而不危及黎巴嫩内战? |
| 460 | What are you doing to this? | 你这是干什么? |
| 461 | What are you doing to... | 你对... |
| 462 | No, I got it. | 不,我来吧。 |
| 463 | I got the distant question. | 我得到了一个遥远的问题。 |
| 464 | So look, here's the challenge of Lebanon, okay? | 你看,这是黎巴嫩的挑战,好吗? |
| 465 | There's no problem between the Lebanese government and the Israeli government. | 黎巴嫩政府和以色列政府之间没有问题. |
| 466 | Israel doesn't claim any land in Lebanon belongs to them. | 以色列在黎巴嫩不主张任何土地属于他们. |
| 467 | And by and large, I think a peace deal between Lebanon and Israel | 总的来说,我认为黎巴嫩和以色列之间的和平协议 |
| 468 | is imminently achievable and should be. | 即将实现并应当实现。 |
| 469 | The problem with Israel and Lebanon is not Israel or Lebanon. | 以色列和黎巴嫩的问题不是以色列或黎巴嫩。 |
| 470 | It's Hezbollah. | 这是真主党。 |
| 471 | Hezbollah operates from inside of Lebanese territory. | 真主党从黎巴嫩境内开展活动。 |
| 472 | They terrorize and attack Israelis, | 他们恐吓和攻击以色列人, |
| 473 | but they also are inflicting tremendous damage on the Lebanese people. | 但他们也给黎巴嫩人民造成了巨大损失。 |
| 474 | The reason why Lebanon gets attacked by Israel is because of Hezbollah, | 黎巴嫩被以色列袭击的原因是真主党, |
| 475 | because Hezbollah is hiding in some house, | 因为真主党躲在某个房子里 |
| 476 | launching rockets against Israelis, and then they get hit. | 向以色列人发射火箭,然后被击中。 |
| 477 | So what you're seeing now is Israeli responses to either attacks or perceived threats. | 所以,你现在看到的是 以色列对攻击的反应 或认为的威胁。 |
| 478 | And this is going to be... | 这将会是... |
| 479 | This is not new. | 这不是新的。 |
| 480 | This has been going on for a very long time. | 这已经持续了很长时间。 |
| 481 | What is our hope? | 我们的希望是什么? |
| 482 | Our hope is to engage the Lebanese and Israeli governments | 我们希望与黎巴嫩和以色列政府接触 |
| 483 | under our mediation at the table to achieve this, | 为了实现这一点,我们进行了调解, |
| 484 | and that is having Lebanese armed forces and a Lebanese government, | 这是黎巴嫩武装部队和一个黎巴嫩政府, |
| 485 | not just with a willingness, but with the capability | 不仅有意愿,还有能力 |
| 486 | to begin to challenge Hezbollah and disarm them, | 开始挑战真主党并解除他们的武装, |
| 487 | because the Lebanese people are also victims of Hezbollah. | 因为黎巴嫩人民也是真主党的受害者。 |
| 488 | And by the way, on the topic of Hezbollah in Lebanon, | 顺便说一下,关于黎巴嫩真主党的话题, |
| 489 | who is behind Hezbollah? | 真主党背后是谁? |
| 490 | Why do they exist? | 他们为什么存在? |
| 491 | They're an agent of Iran. | 他们是伊朗的特工 |
| 492 | If you go to that Middle East and you identify every problem, | 如果你去中东 找出每个问题 |
| 493 | Hamas, Hezbollah, to some extent the Houthis, obviously, and others, | 哈马斯,真主党,在某种程度上,胡塞人,显然,和其他人, |
| 494 | behind every one of these groups is Tehran. | 这些团体背后都是德黑兰。 |
| 495 | So apart from the nuclear weapons, apart from all these other things, | 因此,除了核武器之外,除了所有这些事情之外, |
| 496 | these guys are behind all the bad actors. | 这些人是幕后黑手 |
| 497 | Hezbollah is a wing. | 真主党是一个分支。 |
| 498 | It's an extension of Iranian desire to destabilize the region. | 这是伊朗破坏该地区稳定的欲望的延伸. |
| 499 | So we're very committed to this process. | 所以我们非常致力于这个过程。 |
| 500 | It's not going to be easy. | 岂能易乎. |
| 501 | You're asking me a complex question. | 你问我一个复杂的问题。 |
| 502 | You know this has been going on for a very long time. | 你知道这已经持续了很长一段时间。 |
| 503 | It's not going to be easy. | 岂能易乎. |
| 504 | We're going to do everything we can to make sure that both sides | 我们要尽我们所能 确保双方 |
| 505 | continue to talk so that progress can be made on some sort of | 继续谈论,以便在某些领域取得进展。 |
| 506 | permanent ceasefire that isn't constantly spoiled by Hezbollah | 永久停火,不会不断被真主党破坏 |
| 507 | and by Hezbollah violence. | 和真主党的暴力。 |
| 508 | Right in there. | 就在这里。 |
| 509 | I'm winging it, guys. | 伙计们,我正在准备 |
| 510 | You mentioned the two U.S. ships that safely crossed the Strait of Hormuz. | 你提到两艘美国船只安全渡过霍尔木兹海峡。 |
| 511 | Are other ships being told it's safer to get back to regular levels, | 是否有人告诉其他船只 回到正常水平比较安全 |
| 512 | or are we still going to see limits in place for the foreseeable future? | 还是在可预见的将来,我们还会看到限制的存在吗? |
| 513 | For obvious reasons, I'm not going to broadcast who we're talking to | 出于明显的原因,我不打算 广播我们与谁说话 |
| 514 | or who we're telling them to move. | 或者我们让他们搬走的人 |
| 515 | I mean, we want these operations to be safe, | 我的意思是,我们希望这些行动是安全的, |
| 516 | and I think as it unfolds and ships get through, | 我想当它展开和船通过, |
| 517 | we'll make those announcements after the fact just for operational | 等事情发生后再宣布 |
| 518 | security purposes. | 安全目标。 |
| 519 | But the goal here is pretty simple. | 但这里的目标很简单。 |
| 520 | Establish a zone of transit that is protected by a bubble, | 建立一个受气泡保护的过境区, |
| 521 | the United States, both naval and air assets, | 美国的海空资产, |
| 522 | and then allow ships who want to move to move through there and get | 然后允许想移动的船只穿过那里 |
| 523 | to market to begin to increase confidence in the ability to do so. | 市场开始增强对这样做的能力的信心。 |
| 524 | That doesn't happen in 12 hours. | 12小时后不会发生这种事 |
| 525 | It takes time to set up that bubble and gain that confidence, | 建立这种泡沫并获得信心需要时间, |
| 526 | but that's the goal. | 但这就是目标 |
| 527 | We have been in touch. | 我们一直保持联系。 |
| 528 | We've been in touch, I don't know, | 我们一直保持联系 我不知道 |
| 529 | with a bunch of different liners about moving, | 和一群不同的衬衫 关于移动, |
| 530 | and we're hoping to continue to improve the security situation, | 我们希望继续改善安全局势, |
| 531 | and we'll start to see some of that movement. | 我们会看到一些运动。 |
| 532 | And we'll announce it as it happens after the fact. | 我们会宣布它,因为它发生在事实之后。 |
| 533 | We're not going to be, like, broadcasting, | 我们不会像,广播, |
| 534 | hey, tomorrow at 12, ship X is going to be coming through for obvious | 嘿,明天12点,X号船会过来 |
| 535 | reasons, because that degrades the security. | 因为那样会降低安全性 |
| 536 | But we feel confident we're going to be able to achieve that. | 但是,我们感到有信心,我们将能够做到这一点。 |
| 537 | Look, it's not going to solve the whole straits problem. | 你看,它不会解决 整个海峡的问题。 |
| 538 | It's going to solve a lot of it. | 即能解诸法. |
| 539 | But it's important to challenge what Iran is doing now. | 但挑战伊朗目前的行为很重要. |
| 540 | Guys, again, I wonder if you take anything away today, | 伙计们,再说一遍,我不知道你们今天有没有拿走任何东西 |
| 541 | and I can't tell you what to write, | 我不能告诉你怎么写 |
| 542 | but Iran cannot be allowed to normalize this control of the | 但不能允许伊朗使对伊朗的管制正常化。 |
| 543 | straits. | 海峡。 |
| 544 | It's completely unlawful, illegal. | 这是完全非法的,非法的。 |
| 545 | It's outrageous. | 太过分了 |
| 546 | And every country in the world should be joining us and | 世界上每个国家都应该加入我们 |
| 547 | condemning it and doing something about it. | 谴责它并做一些事情。 |
| 548 | But the United States has stepped up and is trying to do | 但美国已经加紧行动,并正在努力 |
| 549 | something about it. | 这件事情 |
| 550 | Regarding Colombia, Mr. Secretary, | 关于哥伦比亚,秘书先生, |
| 551 | you've had several tourist visits. | 你来过几次游客 |
| 552 | I'm sorry. | 对不起 |
| 553 | We'll see if we get to Colombia for that. | 我们看看能不能去哥伦比亚 |
| 554 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 555 | Mr. Secretary, John Michael Ross with Daily Mail. | 秘书先生,约翰・迈克尔・罗斯与每日邮报。 |
| 556 | I was curious about your meeting with SouthCom earlier. | 我好奇你之前和南方通信公司的会面 |
| 557 | There was a picture, a map of Cuba behind you. | 你身后有一张古巴地图 |
| 558 | 你和SouthCom,SouthCom谈了古巴什么? | |
| 559 | And do you have any updates? | 你有最新消息吗? |
| 560 | I'm not going to tell you what I discussed with SouthCom. | 我不会告诉你我和SouthCom谈过什么 |
| 561 | But it had to do something with Cuba. | 但它必须做一些与古巴。 |
| 562 | Well, I mean, Cuba's in SouthCom. | 嗯,我的意思是,古巴在南方通讯。 |
| 563 | It's the closest part. | 这是最接近的部分。 |
| 564 | And so the second point, I was there, | 第二点,我当时在场 |
| 565 | our ambassadors were in from the whole Western Hemisphere. | 我们的大使来自整个西半球 |
| 566 | I was addressing them, meeting the general who just took | 我是在跟他们说话, 会见刚刚拿下 |
| 567 | command of SouthCom. | 指挥南方通信。 |
| 568 | And there happened to be a map of Cuba. | 还有一张古巴地图。 |
| 569 | And I said, it would be good if we took a picture in front of | 我说,这将是好的,如果我们拍 照片在前面 |
| 570 | that map, because it's like the closest thing in SouthCom to | 那张地图,因为它就像 在南方通信公司最接近 |
| 571 | the United States. | 美国。 |
| 572 | So there it is. | 就这样了 |
| 573 | We have maps of other countries. | 我们有其他国家的地图。 |
| 574 | But, but, but, but, huh? | 但是,但是,但是,但是,但是,是吗? |
| 575 | No, they didn't have that map there. | 不,他们那里没有地图。 |
| 576 | In the red, right there in the red. | 在红色,就在那里 在红色。 |
| 577 | In the red, okay. | 红色的,好吧。 |
| 578 | Cristina de Telemundo, 秘书先生. | |
| 579 | Can I ask you in Spanish or can I ask you in English? | 我能问您西班牙语还是英语? |
| 580 | Yeah, you can answer in Spanish. | 是的,你可以用西班牙语回答。 |
| 581 | I'll have to translate for them what you asked me. | 我得替他们翻译你问的 |
| 582 | I'll say it in English and if you can answer in both languages. | 我会说英语 如果你能回答两种语言。 |
| 583 | Today I checked the web page of the State Department, | 今天我查了国务院的网页 |
| 584 | and there's still a $25 million bounty on Diosdado Cabello, | 还有两千五百万的赏金 在迪奥斯达多卡贝罗身上 |
| 585 | the Secretary of Interior, for drug trafficking and | 内务部长,负责贩毒和 |
| 586 | narco-terrorism. | 毒品恐怖主义。 |
| 587 | I was wondering if that has been put on hold or if you're | 我在想你是否被搁置了 或者你是否 |
| 588 | negotiating with President Delci Rodriguez to turn him over. | 和德尔西·罗德里格兹总统谈判 将他交出来 |
| 589 | Yeah, I don't have any updates for you on that. | 是啊,我没有你的任何最新消息。 |
| 590 | The website is what it is, and that's where it stands. | 网站就是它是什么,它就在那里。 |
| 591 | That policy hasn't changed. | 政策没有改变。 |
| 592 | But guys, I mean, let's be mature here a little bit. | 但是,伙计们,我的意思是, 让我们在这里变得成熟一点。 |
| 593 | I'm not going to tell you about what we're talking about with | 我不会告诉你我们在谈论什么 |
| 594 | the leader of these countries. | 这些国家的领导人。 |
| 595 | The policy of the United States on that topic hasn't changed. | 美国关于这个主题的政策没有改变. |
| 596 | When it does, you know, obviously we'll inform you, | 当它发生,你知道, 显然我们会告诉你, |
| 597 | but I don't have any news for you on that today. | 但我今天没有消息告诉你 |
| 598 | Right there in the green. | 就在那边的绿色。 |
| 599 | I'll get to you. | 我会得到你。 |
| 600 | Are you guys all the TV people? | 你们都是电视人吗? |
| 601 | All right, go ahead. | 好吧,继续。 |
| 602 | I'm sorry, go. | 对不起,去。 |
| 603 | I'm learning. | 我在学习。 |
| 604 | They gave me a little map. | 他们给了我一张地图 |
| 605 | I don't know where I put it of the people here. | 我不知道我把它放在哪里 这里的人。 |
| 606 | Some of you have, like, red Xs. | 你们有些人有红色的X |
| 607 | I'm kidding. | 我开玩笑的 |
| 608 | No, that's not true. | 不,这不是真的。 |
| 609 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 610 | Thank you, Mr. Secretary. | 谢谢你,秘书先生。 |
| 611 | The average price of gas in the country right now is $4.50. | 目前全国天然气平均价格为4.5元. |
| 612 | Do you have a thought on how long Americans are supposed to | 你有没有想过美国人应该待多久? |
| 613 | kind of accept this? | 接受吗? |
| 614 | Do you think it will affect Republicans' majorities in the midterms? | 你觉得这会影响共和党在中期的多数吗? |
| 615 | Well, I'm not going to speculate on the politics of it. | 好吧,我不会猜测它的政治。 |
| 616 | You can tell me. | 你可以告诉我。 |
| 617 | Look, it's obviously being driven by global events. | 很明显,它是由全球事件驱动的。 |
| 618 | That was true during the Russia-Ukraine War as well, | 俄乌战争期间也是如此 |
| 619 | where you saw that come up. | 在那里你看到了那个来。 |
| 620 | Look, we don't benefit from the straits as much as other | 你看,我们没有像其他一样从海峡受益 |
| 621 | countries. | 国家。 |
| 622 | I don't know if you've seen what the gas prices are like in other | 我不知道你有没有看到 天然气价格在别的地方是怎样的 |
| 623 | parts of the world that are really suffering big time. | 世界上正遭受重大痛苦的部分地区。 |
| 624 | So we're very fortunate that the United States, | 所以,我们非常幸运,美国, |
| 625 | I believe right now, is like the world's largest net exporter of | 我认为,现在,就像世界上最大的净出口国, |
| 626 | oil and natural gas as a result. | 石油和天然气由此而来。 |
| 627 | Not because of this war, but because we have this capacity. | 不是因为这场战争 而是因为我们有这种能力 |
| 628 | So we've been insulated to some degree. | 因此,我们在某种程度上被隔离。 |
| 629 | We're obviously still vulnerable to some extent to global prices. | 我们显然仍然在某种程度上容易受到全球价格的影响。 |
| 630 | But in the end, I mean, we're more insulated than other countries, | 但最终,我的意思是, 我们比其他国家更绝缘, |
| 631 | even though that's not welcome news to Americans that are paying | 虽然这对美国支付 |
| 632 | more at the pump, no doubt about it. | 在泵,毫无疑问。 |
| 633 | And it certainly is one of the circumstances of it. | 这当然是其中之一。 |
| 634 | There are people that we're predicting would be much higher at | 有的人,我们预测 将会更高。 |
| 635 | this point, but we're not taking that for granted. | 这一点,但我们不认为这是理所当然的。 |
| 636 | Suffice it to say that think about it this way. | 说这样想就够了 |
| 637 | Everybody needs to think about it this way. | 每个人都需要这样思考。 |
| 638 | If Iran had a nuclear weapon and they decided to close the straits | 如果伊朗有核武器 他们决定关闭海峡 |
| 639 | and make our gas prices like $9 a gallon or $8 a gallon, | 我们的汽油价格是每加仑9美元 或每加仑8美元 |
| 640 | we wouldn't be able to do anything about it because they have a | 我们无法做任何事情 因为他们有 |
| 641 | nuclear weapon. | 核武器问题。 |
| 642 | And a nuclear-armed Iran could do whatever the hell they want with | 一个有核武器的伊朗可以做他们想做的事 |
| 643 | the straits, and there's nothing anyone would be able to do about it. | 海峡, 没有人能做到这一点。 |
| 644 | And that's one of the many reasons, apart from like the massive loss | 这是很多原因之一 除了像巨大的损失 |
| 645 | of life in a nuclear strike, why Iran can never have a nuclear weapon. | 在核打击中的生命,为什么伊朗永远没有核武器。 |
| 646 | I mean, so this is an example of if they had a nuclear weapon, | 我的意思是,这是一个例子 如果他们有核武器, |
| 647 | they closed the straits and they would tell the world, | 他们封闭了海峡,然后告诉世人, |
| 648 | what are you going to do about it? | 你打算怎么办? |
| 649 | We have a nuclear weapon. | 我们有核武器。 |
| 650 | We can attack you with it. | 我们可以用它攻击你。 |
| 651 | That's the world none of us want to leave behind. | 那是我们谁也不想离开的世界 |
| 652 | It won't happen under this President's watch. | 这不可能在这总统的监视下发生的 |
| 653 | But some future President and future Americans will have to deal | 但未来的总统和未来的美国人 将不得不处理 |
| 654 | with this. | 用这个 |
| 655 | So just one more example of why these guys can never be allowed to have | 所以再举一个例子说明 为什么这些家伙永远不能允许 |
| 656 | a nuclear weapon. | 核武器。 |
| 657 | Right there in the black. | 就在那边的黑色。 |
| 658 | Yes, ma'am. | 是,长官 |
| 659 | Thank you, Mr. Secretary. | 谢谢你,秘书先生。 |
| 660 | Where are you? | 你们在哪? |
| 661 | No, right there. | 不,就在这里。 |
| 662 | You both are wearing black. | 你们两个都穿黑色的。 |
| 663 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 664 | She's closer. | 她更亲近。 |
| 665 | No, you don't have black. | 不,你没有黑色。 |
| 666 | You have blue on. | 你有蓝色的。 |
| 667 | I'm colorblind, but I know blue and black. | 我是色盲, 但我知道蓝色和黑色。 |
| 668 | Thank you so much. | 非常感谢 |
| 669 | Right there. | 就在这里。 |
| 670 | Yes, ma'am. | 是,长官 |
| 671 | No, no, you. | 不,不,你来。 |
| 672 | The first one I called on. | 我第一个打来的电话 |
| 673 | Thank you, Mr. Secretary. | 谢谢你,秘书先生。 |
| 674 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 675 | This is chaos, guys. | 这是混乱,伙计们。 |
| 676 | Human rights concerns to be on the table. | 人权问题有待讨论。 |
| 677 | Well, we always raise those issues. | 我们总是提出这些问题 |
| 678 | They remain true. | 它们仍然是真实的。 |
| 679 | And I think we've proven in some cases it's most effective to raise them in | 我想我们已经证明了 在某些情况下,这是最有效的 提高他们 |
| 680 | the appropriate setting. | 适当的环境。 |
| 681 | But we always raise those issues. | 但我们总是提出这些问题。 |
| 682 | They're important to us, among with others, of course. | 当然,他们对我们很重要, 和其他人一样, |
| 683 | But those issues remain prominent in our view and in our conversation about | 但是,在我们看来,这些问题仍然突出,在我们讨论 |
| 684 | these things. | 这些东西。 |
| 685 | And we'll continue to raise them in the appropriate forums. | 我们将继续在适当的论坛上提出它们。 |
| 686 | All right. | 好吧,我们走。 |
| 687 | Let's get to the front. | 开前座. |
| 688 | These guys are going to get mad. | 这些人会生气的 |
| 689 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 690 | I'm sorry. | 对不起 |
| 691 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 692 | segment, Kennedy Associated Press. | 肯尼迪美联社 |
| 693 | You mentioned earlier that some countries have privately and publicly | 你刚才提到,一些国家有私人和公开的 |
| 694 | indicated their willingness to help with Project Freedom. | 表示愿帮助实施自由项目。 |
| 695 | Can you say how many have reached out to the U.S. | 你能说说有多少人接触过美国吗? |
| 696 | with the offers of help and what kind of capabilities? | 提供何种能力? |
| 697 | Well, I mean, thank you for your question. | 嗯,我的意思是,谢谢你的问题。 |
| 698 | That's a good question. | 问曰. |
| 699 | I mean, multiple countries have said we've got to do something about it and | 我的意思是,多个国家已经说过 我们必须做一些事情 |
| 700 | fix it. | 修复它。 |
| 701 | Do they like dozens or single digits or more than a hundred? | 他们喜欢几十个或单位数还是一百多个? |
| 702 | I don't know. | 师曰. |
| 703 | I don't put a number on it. | 我没写号码 |
| 704 | I would just tell you that. | 我会告诉你的 |
| 705 | Here's what I would say about it. | 我想说的是 |
| 706 | The capabilities is the issue, okay? | 能力是问题所在,好吗? |
| 707 | A lot of countries would love to do something about it. | 很多国家都希望对此有所作为。 |
| 708 | They don't have a Navy, right? | 他们没有海军,对吧? |
| 709 | Or they can't get there in time or they can't. | 或者他们不能及时赶到 或者他们不能 |
| 710 | Others, you know, are less, you know, that some unfortunately do have a Navy | 其他人,你知道, 少,你知道, 有些人不幸有海军 |
| 711 | are saying, oh, we'll be involved, but we'll be involved after it's over. | 说,哦,我们会参与, 但我们会参与 之后它结束了。 |
| 712 | Well, after it's over, it's kind of like, you know, that makes sense. | 结束了之后,它有点像, 你知道,这是有道理的。 |
| 713 | So, you know, we'd like to have it. | 所以,你知道,我们想拥有它。 |
| 714 | There may be some utility in a post-closure mission. | 关闭后的任务可能有些用处。 |
| 715 | I'm not downplaying that. | 我不会轻描淡写 |
| 716 | But I think that's been the challenge. | 但我认为这是挑战 |
| 717 | But there are other ways they can help, unique ways that they can help. | 但他们有其他的帮助方式,独特的帮助方式. |
| 718 | And I don't want to get into who these countries are for obvious reasons, | 我不想知道这些国家是谁 有明显的原因 |
| 719 | you know, because they are prepared to help us in certain ways, | 你知道,因为他们准备 在某些方面帮助我们, |
| 720 | but maybe don't want that publicly disclosed for no other reason than it | 但也许不想因为其他原因公开披露 |
| 721 | could have some domestic ramifications. | 可能会有一些国内影响。 |
| 722 | But ultimately, I don't want to mislead you. | 但最终我不想误导你 |
| 723 | The primary responsibility for this project, Freedom, is on the United States | 这个项目的主要责任是美国 |
| 724 | because we're the only country that can project power in that part of the | 因为我们是唯一能 投放电力的国家 在这部分 |
| 725 | world the way we're doing now. | 和现在一样 |
| 726 | We're the only ones that can do it, and we're going to do it as a favor to | 我们是唯一能够做到的 我们将会做一个帮助 |
| 727 | the world. | 这个世界。 |
| 728 | Understand this. | 明白吗? |
| 729 | This is a favor to the world because it's their ships that are stranded. | 这是对世界的恩惠 因为船搁浅了 |
| 730 | It's their fuel supplies that are stranded. | 他们的燃料供应被困住了 |
| 731 | By the way, it's their humanitarian aid destined for different countries in | 顺便说一句,这是他们的人道主义援助 目的地是不同国家, |
| 732 | the world that's stranded in the Persian Gulf right now. | 现在困在波斯湾的世界 |
| 733 | It's the fertilizer that they need for their food and crops that's stranded | 他们的粮食和作物需要的肥料被困住了 |
| 734 | in the Persian Gulf, not our fertilizer, their fertilizer. | 在波斯湾,不是我们的肥料,是他们的肥料。 |
| 735 | So we want to be helpful, and that's why the President stepped forward, | 所以我们想帮忙 所以总统才挺身而出 |
| 736 | because we're the only ones that can. | 因为我们是唯一可以做到的 |
| 737 | Frankly, we're the only ones that can. | 坦白地说,我们是唯一可以做到的。 |
| 738 | Mr. Secretary, on the rising oil and gas prices, the President has said that | 秘书先生,关于石油和天然气价格上涨问题,总统说 |
| 739 | this is a small price to pay for getting rid of a nuclear weapon. | 这是摆脱核武器的一个小代价。 |
| 740 | But 10 weeks in, are we any closer to getting rid of Iran's nuclear material? | 但10周后,我们是否更接近消除伊朗的核材料? |
| 741 | Yeah, but look, here's the way to think about Iran, and this is what I | 是的,但你看,这里的方式 思考伊朗,这就是我 |
| 742 | described at the very beginning of this. | 这是在开始的时候描述的 |
| 743 | What was Iran's plan? | 伊朗的计划是什么? |
| 744 | You have to understand what their plan was. | 你得明白他们的计划是什么 |
| 745 | Their plan was they were going to build this conventional shield where they | 他们的计划是,他们要 建造这个传统的盾牌,在那里他们 |
| 746 | would have so many thousands of missiles and drones and rockets that they | 成千上万的导弹、无人机和火箭 |
| 747 | couldn't be attacked. | 不能被攻击。 |
| 748 | And behind that conventional shield that they were trying to build, they | 在他们试图建造的 传统盾牌的背后 |
| 749 | would then break out and do whatever they wanted with their nuclear program. | 然后会突围 做他们想要的 核计划。 |
| 750 | They no longer have that conventional shield. | 他们不再有传统的盾牌。 |
| 751 | We told you guys from the very beginning, and we're very consistent in | 我们从一开始就跟你们说过,我们很坚持 |
| 752 | this messaging, the operation that has concluded was going to destroy their | 这个消息, 已经完成的行动 将要摧毁他们 |
| 753 | Navy. | 海军. |
| 754 | They have no Navy left. | 他们已经没有海军了 |
| 755 | They don't. | 他们没有。 |
| 756 | Not a Navy. | 不是海军 |
| 757 | They have small boats in Boston, but they don't have a Navy left. | 在波士顿他们有小船,但他们没有海军了. |
| 758 | They don't have an Air Force. | 他们没有空军 |
| 759 | I challenge you. | 我挑战你 |
| 760 | When is the last time you read or heard about an Iranian jet flying anywhere? | 你最后一次读到或听说伊朗飞机在什么地方飞行是什么时候? |
| 761 | They don't have an Air Force. | 他们没有空军 |
| 762 | Their missile launching capability has been substantially degraded, and their | 其导弹发射能力已大幅度下降,而且 |
| 763 | industrial base, their defense industrial base, has been severely, | 工业基础,他们的国防工业基础, 一直很严重, |
| 764 | severely damaged. | 严重受损。 |
| 765 | So their ability to build a shield behind which they could hide their | 因此,他们有能力 建造一个盾牌 他们可以隐藏他们 |
| 766 | nuclear program was wiped out. | 核计划被摧毁了 |
| 767 | That's a very substantial achievement, and that was the purpose of this | 这是一个非常实质性的成就, 这是这个目的 |
| 768 | operation from day one. | 从第一天开始操作。 |
| 769 | The Press. | 澎湃新闻. |
| 770 | How much of their nuclear material in order for this war to end? | 为了结束这场战争 他们有多少核材料? |
| 771 | Well, that's one of the topics that needs to be discussed. | 嗯,这是需要讨论的主题之一。 |
| 772 | I don't know about the, I think you're linking it. | 我不知道,我觉得你在联系它。 |
| 773 | The operation is over. | 手术结束了 |
| 774 | Epic Fury是总统提名的国会. | |
| 775 | We're done with that stage of it. | 我们结束了阶段。 |
| 776 | We're now onto this project of freedom. | 我们现在在做这个自由计划 |
| 777 | As far as the negotiation is concerned, I think the President has been clear | 就谈判而言,我认为主席已经清楚了 |
| 778 | that part of the negotiation process has to be not just the enrichment, | 谈判进程的一部分必须不仅仅是丰富, |
| 779 | but what happens to this material that's buried deep somewhere that they | 但埋在深处的材料会怎样 |
| 780 | still have access to if they ever wanted to dig it out. | 如果他们想挖出来的话 仍然可以进入 |
| 781 | That has to be addressed, and that's being addressed in the negotiation. | 这个问题必须得到解决,谈判也正在解决这一问题。 |
| 782 | I'm not going to go further on what progress has been made on that topic | 我不打算进一步谈这个议题上取得的进展 |
| 783 | because I don't want to endanger the negotiations, | 因为我不想危及谈判 |
| 784 | but suffice it to say that the President and this entire team is aware | 但只要说总统和整个团队都知道 |
| 785 | of the centrality of that question, | 这个问题的中心地位, |
| 786 | and that will have to be addressed one way or the other. | 而这必须以一种或另一种方式加以解决。 |
| 787 | Right there. | 就在这里。 |
| 788 | Yes, yes. | 对,对。 |
| 789 | Thank you, Mr. Secretary. | 谢谢你,秘书先生。 |
| 790 | I have another two-part question for you. | 我还有两个问题要问你 |
| 791 | First, are you taking part in those negotiations that you just detailed | 首先,你是否参与了你刚刚详述的谈判 |
| 792 | there? | 那边? |
| 793 | Secondly, President Trump has made it clear that the U.S. doesn't rely | 第二,川普总统明确表示,美国不依赖 |
| 794 | on the Strait of Hormuz, so why should Americans even care about | 在霍尔穆兹海峡,所以为什么美国人 甚至应该关心 |
| 795 | project freedom and these shipping tankers going through? | 和这些运输船通过? |
| 796 | Well, I think on the second point is the one I want to address first, | 我想第二点是我想先谈的 |
| 797 | and that is why should Americans care and why it matters to us? | 这就是为什么美国人应该关心 为什么它对我们很重要? |
| 798 | Because ultimately these things have an impact on the global economy, | 因为这些东西最终会影响全球经济 |
| 799 | which ultimately has an impact on our economy in the long term. | 这最终对我们的经济产生了长期影响。 |
| 800 | That's number one. | 即第一义. |
| 801 | Number two, because if we live in a world where a rogue state like this | 第二,如果我们生活在这样一个无赖国家的世界 |
| 802 | is allowed to claim as a new normal control of our international shipping | 被允许要求作为对我们国际航运的新正常控制 |
| 803 | {\fn黑体\fs20\shad2\2aH82\3aH20\4aH33\fscx95\3cH592001\be1}在多趟运输中 不久之后 | |
| 804 | lanes around the world. | 环绕世界的车道。 |
| 805 | I can identify for you six or seven, six or seven vital shipping lanes | 我可以为你确定六七,六七重要航道 |
| 806 | around the world that some countries can decide, guess what, if Iran was | 世界上一些国家可以决定 如果伊朗 |
| 807 | able to do it, we're going to do it too. | 能够做到,我们也要做到 |
| 808 | We're not going to start charging tolls, and it will get closer and closer | 我们不会开始收费,它会越来越近 |
| 809 | to us. | 敬我们 |
| 810 | That's unacceptable. | 这是不可接受的。 |
| 811 | We cannot live in a world that there's a lot of time and energy been | 我们不能生活在一个有很多时间和精力的世界里 |
| 812 | invested behind the idea that international waters are free for the | 将国际水域自由用于 |
| 813 | free flow of goods. | 货物自由流动。 |
| 814 | The stuff we make in this country and export has to go through | 我们在这个国家做的东西和出口必须经过 |
| 815 | international shipping lanes. | 国际航道。 |
| 816 | And for us to live in a world where a country can decide now we own the | 而为了我们生活在一个 一个国家可以决定现在,我们拥有 |
| 817 | international shipping lane and you have to pay us if you want to use it, | 国际航道,你必须支付我们 如果你想使用它, |
| 818 | that is a normal that we will never be able to accept. | 这是一种我们永远无法接受的正常现象。 |
| 819 | And that's what the Iranians are trying to get us to do. | 这就是伊朗人试图让我们做的。 |
| 820 | So we're doing two things about it. | 所以我们要做两件事 |
| 821 | And we haven't talked about the second one enough. | 我们还没说完第二个呢 |
| 822 | The second thing we're doing is we're going to the U.N. | 第二事即往联合国. |
| 823 | Everybody loves the U.N., right? | 每个人都喜欢联合国 对吧? |
| 824 | We're trying to go to the U.N. | 我们正试图去联合国。 |
| 825 | And we're saying, okay, countries of the world, condemn this. | 我们说,好吧,世界各国, 谴责这一点。 |
| 826 | Say that it is wrong for you to put mines there. | 说放地雷对你不好 |
| 827 | It is wrong for you to shoot at commercial vessels. | 你对商业船只开枪是不对的 |
| 828 | Guys, that's what we're talking about here. | 伙计们,这就是我们所说的。 |
| 829 | These guys are bombing commercial vessels. | 他们正在轰炸商业船只 |
| 830 | They're not bombing naval vessels. | 他们不是轰炸海军舰艇 |
| 831 | They're bombing commercial tankers. | 他们正在轰炸商业油轮。 |
| 832 | It's just outrageous. | 这太过分了 |
| 833 | That needs to stop and it needs to end. | 这需要停止,需要结束。 |
| 834 | And if it doesn't, then the world should be diplomatically and economically | 如果不是这样,那么世界应该 外交上和经济上 |
| 835 | isolating Iran as well. | 还孤立伊朗。 |
| 836 | But if we live in a world where global shipping lanes can be taken over by | 但如果我们生活在一个全球航道可以被 |
| 837 | countries, that will have a direct impact on Americans in the short and | 将会对美国人产生直接的影响 |
| 838 | long term. | 长期。 |
| 839 | And we can't let it start by Iran doing it. | 我们不能让它从伊朗开始。 |
| 840 | And we're the only ones that can do anything about it. | 而我们是唯一能做任何事情的人。 |
| 841 | All right. | 好吧,我们走。 |
| 842 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 843 | As you know, we understand the Chinese understand our position on that topic. | 大家知道,我们理解中国人对此问题的立场。 |
| 844 | We understand theirs. | 我们了解他们 |
| 845 | And I think both parties, without getting ahead of myself at what will happen in | 我认为双方, 并没有超越自己 在接下来会发生什么 |
| 846 | the talks, but I think both countries understand that it is neither one of our | 但我认为两国都明白 这不是我们之间的 |
| 847 | interests to see anything destabilize happen in that part of the world. | 看着世界那个地区发生任何不稳定事件 |
| 848 | And I think that's to the mutual benefit of both the United States and the | 我认为这对美国和德国都有好处 |
| 849 | Chinese. | 中国网. |
| 850 | Secretary Kerry has a note from Lindell TV. | 克里国务卿有林德尔电视台的笔记. |
| 851 | Thank you for taking my question today. | 谢谢你今天接受我的问题 |
| 852 | How does the State Department interpret the President's recent remarks when he | 国务院如何解释总统最近的讲话? |
| 853 | said, quote, the Iranian people need to be able to live in a world where | 伊朗人民需要能够生活在一个 |
| 854 | they are getting some guns, end quote. | 他们得到了一些枪,结尾引文。 |
| 855 | What did he mean? | 他说什么? |
| 856 | And do those comments relate to any ongoing or potential U.S. actions like | 这些评论是否涉及美国正在或可能采取的行动,例如: |
| 857 | supplying those weapons? | 提供这些武器? |
| 858 | Well, I think it goes back to the question I was asked a moment ago. | 我想这又回到刚才问过我的问题了 |
| 859 | I think the President thinks it's heartbreaking that the Iranian people are | 我认为总统认为伊朗人民 |
| 860 | abused by this regime the way they are. | 被这种政权滥用 |
| 861 | In the end, I mean, this regime is not, guys, I know I've said this. | 最终,我的意思是,这个政权不是,伙计们,我知道我已经说过了。 |
| 862 | I think I said this in my hearing before the Senate when I got confirmed. | 我想我在参议院的听证会上说过的 当我得到确认时 |
| 863 | I don't know of any country in the world where there's a bigger difference | 我不知道世界上有什么国家 有更大的区别 |
| 864 | between the people and the people who run the country. | 人民和人民之间 管理国家。 |
| 865 | This country is run by radical Shia clerics, and that's not what Iran and | 这个国家由激进的什叶派神职人员管理,伊朗和 |
| 866 | the Iranian people are. | 伊朗人民是, |
| 867 | Now, they may be Shia, but they're not radicals and they're not clerics, and | 现在,他们可能是什叶派,但他们不是激进派,也不是神职人员, |
| 868 | they just want a normal life and a regular life and in many ways a very | 他们只想过正常的生活 正常的生活 在许多方面 |
| 869 | cosmopolitan country with an incredible history, incredible history and | 有着令人难以置信的历史 不可思议的历史 |
| 870 | incredible legacy and the like. | 令人难以置信的遗产之类的。 |
| 871 | So there's this huge divide between the people of Iran whom we sympathize with | 因此,伊朗人民之间的巨大鸿沟 我们同情他们 |
| 872 | and who the President sympathizes with because they're the ones suffering. | 总统同情谁 因为他们是受苦受难的人。 |
| 873 | Look, the world is a victim of Iran, okay? | 听着,世界是伊朗的受害者,好吗? |
| 874 | The world is a victim of Iran because they're terrorists, because of what | 世界是伊朗的受害者 因为他们是恐怖分子 因为什么 |
| 875 | they're doing now in the streets. | 他们现在在街上 |
| 876 | But the people of Iran are daily victims of the regime, and the President has | 但伊朗人民每天都是伊朗政权的受害者,总统 |
| 877 | deep sympathy for what they're going through. | 深切同情他们的遭遇. |
| 878 | And I think he's just expressing that sympathy and that frustration that they | 我觉得他只是表达这种同情 和他们的挫折感 |
| 879 | don't have the ability to do more to get rid of this regime that has crushed | 没有能力做更多的事情 来摆脱这个已经崩溃的政权 |
| 880 | this country and isolated it from the world, which is a country that shouldn't | 这个国家与世界隔绝 这个国家不应该 |
| 881 | be isolated from the world because its people are phenomenal. | 与世界隔绝 因为它的人民是惊人的。 |
| 882 | All right. | 好吧,我们走。 |
| 883 | I wish I had like a dice. | 我希望我有一个骰子。 |
| 884 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 885 | No, no, no, no, right there because I'm going to Italy. | 不,不,不,不,就在那里 因为我要去意大利。 |
| 886 | He's Italian. | 他是意大利人 他是意大利人 He's Italian. |
| 887 | I know him. | 我认识他 |
| 888 | He used to cover Capitol Hill. | 他曾经掩护国会山。 |
| 889 | You're Italian, right? | 你是意大利人 对吧? |
| 890 | For many years. | 多年来 |
| 891 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 892 | Thank you, Mr. Secretary. | 谢谢你,秘书先生。 |
| 893 | So I have two short questions for you. | 所以我有两个简短的问题要问你。 |
| 894 | Oh, damn, two questions. | 哦,该死,两个问题。 |
| 895 | First, as you head to the Vatican in Italy, how do you view the Pope's global | 首先,当你们前往意大利梵蒂冈时,你们如何看待教皇的全球情况? |
| 896 | role in the current geopolitical shift? | 在当前地缘政治转变中的作用? |
| 897 | And what are your objectives in Italy? | 你在意大利的目标是什么? |
| 898 | Is his trip tied to recent remarks by the President suggesting Italy has not | 他的旅行是否与总统最近的讲话有关? |
| 899 | been so far as expected? | 这么远的预期? |
| 900 | And the second one is about the Hezbollah in Lebanon. | 第二个是关于黎巴嫩真主党。 |
| 901 | On a recent interview on Fox News, you raised some concern about stronger | 最近福克斯新闻的采访中 你对更强势的 |
| 902 | vetting within the Lebanese armed forces. | 黎巴嫩武装部队内部的审查。 |
| 903 | What do you make? | 你赚什么? |
| 904 | Can you elaborate a little bit? | 你能详细解释一下吗? |
| 905 | Yeah, I've answered the first one about the Vatican. | 是的,我已经回答了第一个 关于梵蒂冈。 |
| 906 | Look, I mean, the Pope is obviously the vicar of Christ as a Roman Catholic, | 听着,我是说,教皇显然是基督的牧师 作为罗马天主教徒, |
| 907 | but he's also the head of a nation state. | 但他也是国家首脑 |
| 908 | And it's an organization that has a presence in over 100-something countries | 这个组织在100多个国家都有存在 |
| 909 | around the world. | 环绕世界. |
| 910 | And we engage with the Vatican quite a bit because they're present in many | 我们和梵蒂冈有相当的接触 因为他们在很多地方 |
| 911 | different places. | 不同的地点 |
| 912 | I've already outlined to you two examples. | 我已经向你们概述了两个例子。 |
| 913 | We worked with the Catholic Church on the distribution of humanitarian aid in | 我们曾与天主教会合作,分发人道主义援助物资。 |
| 914 | Cuba. | 古巴。 |
| 915 | We share with the Catholic Church a concern about the destruction of religious | 我们同天主教会一样,对破坏宗教行为感到关切。 |
| 916 | liberty, the persecution of Christian minorities, and also the challenges that | 自由、迫害基督教少数派以及 |
| 917 | are being faced by Christians in Africa, where the Pope just recently visited. | 非洲基督徒正在面对,教皇刚刚访问了非洲。 |
| 918 | So we have a lot to talk about with them, and I engage with them quite a bit on | 所以我们有很多事要和他们谈 我和他们谈了很多 |
| 919 | that front. | 前面那个 |
| 920 | So the trip is really not tied to anything other than the fact that it would be | 所以这次旅行除了... |
| 921 | normal for us to engage with them, and other Secretary States have done that in | 我们同他们进行接触是正常的,其他国家也这样做了。 |
| 922 | the past. | 过去 |
| 923 | On the second point about Lebanon, also a question that was asked earlier. | 关于黎巴嫩的第二点,前面也提出了这个问题。 |
| 924 | What was the Italian question? | 意大利的问题是什么? |
| 925 | About the despectation of the press. | 关于对新闻界的蔑视. |
| 926 | Oh, no, look, I mean, the Italians have been involved for some time in training | 哦,不,你看,我的意思是, 意大利人已经参与训练一段时间了 |
| 927 | the police and training their forces. | 警察和训练他们的部队。 |
| 928 | And so we'd love to hear their input on it. | 所以,我们想听听他们的意见。 |
| 929 | And in the way, look, we welcome everybody's help eventually. | 顺便说一句 我们最终欢迎大家的帮助 |
| 930 | What has to happen in Lebanon, what everybody wants to see, is that you have a | 在黎巴嫩会发生什么, 每个人都想看到, 你有一个 |
| 931 | Lebanese government with the capability to go after Hezbollah and take Hezbollah | 黎巴嫩政府有能力追击真主党并夺取真主党 |
| 932 | apart. | 分开 |
| 933 | There shouldn't be a Hezbollah and a government. | 不应该有真主党和政府. |
| 934 | There should be a government. | 应当有政府. |
| 935 | Everyone should fold underneath it. | 每个人都应该折叠在下面。 |
| 936 | And if we do that, then there will be peace between Israel and Lebanon. | 如果我们这样做,那么以色列和黎巴嫩之间就会实现和平。 |
| 937 | But we have to build the capacity of the Lebanese to do it, and I think Italy | 但是,我们必须建设黎巴嫩人这样做的能力,我认为意大利 |
| 938 | could be helpful in that in that regard. | 在这方面可能有所帮助。 |
| 939 | All right. | 好吧,我们走。 |
| 940 | Did I call on you already? | 我已经打电话给你了? |
| 941 | You already got a question? | 你有问题吗? |
| 942 | In the green? | 绿色的? |
| 943 | Did I call on you already? | 我已经打电话给你了? |
| 944 | No. | 没有 |
| 945 | Okay, all right. | 好吧,没事。 |
| 946 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 947 | You mentioned the U.N. resolution that you announced today. | 你提到你今天宣布的联合国决议。 |
| 948 | Yes. | 对 |
| 949 | Can you talk about what the goal is with that resolution? | 你能谈谈决议的目标是什么吗? |
| 950 | And there was a similar one last month that was vetoed by China and Russia. | 上个月也有类似的一个被中国和俄罗斯否决. |
| 951 | You spoke to the Russian Foreign Minister. | 你和俄罗斯外交部长谈过了 |
| 952 | Do you have an assurance that Russia will be on board with this now? | 你能保证俄罗斯会加入吗? |
| 953 | Well, we don't know. | 嗯,我们不知道。 |
| 954 | Yeah, look, I mean, everyone wouldn't want to see this vetoed again. | 是啊,你看,我的意思是, 每个人都不想看到 这个否决了。 |
| 955 | And then we've made some slight adjustments to the language. | 然后我们对语言略作调整. |
| 956 | But I don't know if it will avoid a veto or not. | 但我不知道它是否会避免否决。 |
| 957 | But the language isn't very complicated. | 但语言并不十分复杂. |
| 958 | And I think it's a real test for the U.N., right, as a function, | 我认为这是对联合国的真正考验,没错,作为一个功能, |
| 959 | as something that functions that can solve global problems. | 能够解决全球问题 |
| 960 | What is the purpose of the U.N.? | 联合国的目的是什么? |
| 961 | The U.N. was supposed to be a place where you could peacefully resolve global conflict. | 联合国应该是一个你可以和平解决全球冲突的地方。 |
| 962 | Right now you have a country who is unlawfully, criminally, and illegally | 现在有一个国家 非法、犯罪和非法 |
| 963 | taking possession of an international waterway and blowing up commercial vessels | 拥有国际水道和炸毁商业船只 |
| 964 | and putting mines in the water. | 把地雷放进水里 |
| 965 | I don't know if people appreciate how outrageous this is, how unacceptable it is, | 我不知道人们是否理解 这是多么令人无法接受的, |
| 966 | that any country would fire and try to sink commercial vessels or put mines in the water. | 任何国家都会开火并试图击沉商业船只或在水中埋设地雷。 |
| 967 | Both of these things are illegal. | 这两件事都是非法的。 |
| 968 | And so we're going to take it to the U.N. | 所以我们要把它带到联合国。 |
| 969 | We're going to give it another chance to be a forum in which we're not even asking people | 我们要给它另一个机会 作为一个论坛 我们甚至不问人们 |
| 970 | to commit troops to the region and help blow up the Iranian boats. | 向该地区派遣部队并帮助炸毁伊朗船只。 |
| 971 | All we're asking them to do is to condemn it, to call on Iran to stop blowing ships, | 我们要求他们做的就是谴责它,呼吁伊朗停止吹船, |
| 972 | to remove these mines, and to allow humanitarian relief to come through | 清除这些地雷,允许人道主义救济通过 |
| 973 | because there's humanitarian aid that's trapped. | 因为有人道主义援助被困住了 |
| 974 | That's it. | 就这样 |
| 975 | This is a very modest request. | 这是一个非常小的要求。 |
| 976 | And if you're telling me that the international community | 如果你告诉我国际社会 |
| 977 | and hundreds of countries cannot rally behind that, | 数百个国家不能支持这一点, |
| 978 | then I don't know what the utility of the U.N. system is, | 我不知道联合国系统的用处是什么 |
| 979 | if it can't even solve something as straightforward as that. | 如果它甚至不能解决 的东西那么直截了当。 |
| 980 | And I think to both the Chinese and the Russians, I would argue and have argued | 我想对中国人和俄国人来说 我都会争论和争论 |
| 981 | that it is in their interest for that resolution to pass | 该决议的通过符合他们的利益 |
| 982 | and for pressure to be brought on Iran | 以及对伊朗施加压力 |
| 983 | because it is in their interest not to see international waterways, | 因为不见国际水道对他们有利 |
| 984 | including the Straits of Hormuz, be closed down | 包括霍尔木兹海峡,关闭 |
| 985 | and cause economic chaos to dozens and dozens of countries around the world. | 给全世界几十个国家造成经济混乱 |
| 986 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 987 | Back row, yellow tie. | 后排,黄色领带。 |
| 988 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 989 | Secretary, tell me about CBN News. | 秘书,跟我说说CBN新闻 |
| 990 | You've had a deep faith for God and country. | 你对上帝和国家有深厚的信仰 |
| 991 | At the end of the day, with all that you've been involved in, | 最终,你参与的一切, |
| 992 | you've been extremely busy, as we all know. | 我们都知道你一直很忙 |
| 993 | I've got to ask you, what is your hope for America at a time such as this? | 我必须问你,你对美国有什么希望? |
| 994 | My hope for America is the same as always been. | 我对美国的希望一如既往 |
| 995 | And how do you personally deal with that? | 你是怎么亲自处理的? |
| 996 | Yeah, look, I mean, my hope for America is what it's always been. | 是啊,你看,我的意思是, 我对美国的希望 是一直以来。 |
| 997 | I think it's the hope I hope we all share. | 我认为这是希望,我希望我们都分享。 |
| 998 | We want it to continue to be the place where anyone from anywhere can achieve anything, | 我们希望它能继续成为 任何地方的人都能够实现任何目的的地方, |
| 999 | where you're not limited by the circumstances of your birth, | 在你不受出生环境限制的情况下 |
| 1000 | by the color of your skin, by your ethnicity, | 肤色,种族, |
| 1001 | but frankly it's a place where you are able to overcome challenges | 但坦率地说,这是一个你可以克服挑战的地方 |
| 1002 | and achieve your full potential. | 并实现你的全部潜力。 |
| 1003 | I think that should be the goal of every country in the world, frankly, | 我认为这应该是世界上每个国家的目标,坦率地说, |
| 1004 | but I think in the U.S. we're not perfect. | 但我认为在美国 我们并不完美 |
| 1005 | Our history is not one of perfection, but it's still better than anybody else's history. | 我们的历史并非完美,但还是比任何人都好. |
| 1006 | And ours is a story of perpetual improvement. | 我们的故事是永恒的改善。 |
| 1007 | Each generation has left the next generation of Americans freer, more prosperous, safer, | 每一代都让下一代美国人更加自由,更加繁荣,更加安全, |
| 1008 | and that is our goal as well. | 这也是我们的目标。 |
| 1009 | But it is a unique and exceptional country, | 但它是一个独特和特别的国家, |
| 1010 | and as we come upon this 250-year anniversary, | 当我们在这250周年之际 |
| 1011 | I think we have a lot to learn and be proud of in our history. | 我认为我们历史上有很多东西可以学习和骄傲. |
| 1012 | It is one of perpetual and continuous improvement, | 这是一项长期不断的改进, |
| 1013 | where each generation has done its part to bring us closer to fulfilling the vision | 每一代人都尽了自己的责任,使我们更接近于实现愿景 |
| 1014 | that the founders of this country had upon its founding. | 这个国家的缔造者们在建国时曾有过这样的经历。 |
| 1015 | All right, I have time for two more questions. | 好吧,我还有时间再问两个问题 |
| 1016 | All right, right there in the pink. | 好吧,就在粉红色那 |
| 1017 | No, no, no, you right there. | 不,不,不,你在这里。 |
| 1018 | No, the one right next to you in the pink. | 不,在你旁边的粉红色。 |
| 1019 | No, no, no, no, no, the pink. | 不,不,不,不,不,粉红色。 |
| 1020 | I'm sorry, but I pointed at her. | 抱歉,我指着她 |
| 1021 | I need to get a laser pointer. | 我需要一个激光指针。 |
| 1022 | Now you in the pink jacket. | 现在你穿粉红色外套了 |
| 1023 | The lady right there. | 那边那位女士 |
| 1024 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 1025 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 1026 | I have a question on Iran-China relations. | 我有一个关于伊朗-中国关系的问题。 |
| 1027 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 1028 | What's your reaction to Iranian Foreign Minister's visit to China? | 对伊朗外长访华有何反应?. |
| 1029 | Also, Beijing instructed its firms to ignore U.S. sanctions. | 另外,北京指示其公司无视美国的制裁. |
| 1030 | Could you also address that? | 你能也说一下吗? |
| 1031 | Well, I'll direct you to Treasury on that front. | 好吧,我会引导你 财政部在前面。 |
| 1032 | There are options that we have. | 我们有选择 |
| 1033 | If you ignore our sanctions, you're going to face secondary sanctions, | 如果你无视我们的制裁 你会面临次级制裁 |
| 1034 | and I don't have an announcement for you on that today, | 今天我还没有给你宣布 |
| 1035 | but we don't do these things for symbolic purposes. | 但我们这样做不是为了象征意义 |
| 1036 | On the first point about the visit, it's fine. | 初约访处时. |
| 1037 | I hope the Chinese tell him what he needs to be told, | 我希望中国人告诉他他需要说什么 |
| 1038 | and that is that what you are doing in the straits is causing you to be globally isolated. | 这就是你在海峡中做的事 正在导致你被全球孤立 |
| 1039 | You're the bad guy in this. | 你是这里面的坏人 |
| 1040 | You guys should not be blowing up ships. | 你们不该炸船 |
| 1041 | You should not be putting mines. | 你不应该埋地雷 |
| 1042 | You should not be trying to hold hostage to the global economy. | 你不应该试图牵制全球经济。 |
| 1043 | I hope the Chinese, whether it's done privately, | 我希望中国人,不管它是私下做的, |
| 1044 | but I hope it's done directly, that that's the message they deliver to them. | 但我希望它能直接完成 这就是他们传达给他们的信息 |
| 1045 | As I outlined earlier today, China is an export-driven economy. | 正如我今天早些时候指出的那样,中国是一个出口驱动型经济体。 |
| 1046 | I'm not here to speak on behalf of what's in the best interest of China, but it's obvious. | 我不是来为中国利益着想的,但很明显. |
| 1047 | China is an export-driven economy. | 中国是一个出口驱动型经济体. |
| 1048 | That means they depend on other countries to buy from them. | 这意味着他们依赖其他国家从他们那里购买。 |
| 1049 | Well, you can't buy from them if you can't ship it there, | 你不能从他们那里买,如果你不能运送到那里, |
| 1050 | and you can't buy from them if your economy is being destroyed by what Iran is doing. | 如果你的经济被伊朗所为所破坏 你就无法从他们那里买东西 |
| 1051 | So it is in China's interest that Iran stop closing the straits. | 因此伊朗停止关闭海峡符合中国的利益. |
| 1052 | It's harming China as well. | 亦伤中国. |
| 1053 | The gentleman in the red tie, right there. | 红领带上的那位先生,就在那儿 |
| 1054 | Yes, I'm sorry, what's your name? | 是的,对不起,你叫什么名字? |
| 1055 | Liz Landers, a previous news artist. | 丽兹·兰德斯(Liz Landers),前新闻艺术家. |
| 1056 | Another question about the China-Iran relationship. | 中伊关系的另一个问题. |
| 1057 | You said at the beginning of your comments at the top that every single financial situation will be targeted. | 你在顶级评论开始时说,每个财务状况都将成为目标。 |
| 1058 | Does that include Chinese banks? | 这是否包括中国银行? |
| 1059 | We're going to enforce our sanctions. | 我们要执行制裁 |
| 1060 | I don't have an announcement for you. | 我没什么要告诉你的 |
| 1061 | That will have to come from Treasury. | 那必须来自财政部 |
| 1062 | But we have sanctions in place, and sanctions don't mean anything unless you're going to do something about them. | 但是,我们有制裁, 和制裁没有任何意义 除非你要去做一些事情。 |
| 1063 | So I think that's been clear. | 所以我认为这已经很清楚了。 |
| 1064 | I think the Treasury will follow up with any specific announcements. | 我想财政部会跟进任何具体通知 |
| 1065 | Suffice it to say we're serious about our sanctions. | 只要说我们认真对待制裁就行了 |
| 1066 | Then a cost needs to be imposed on Iran for what they are doing. | 因此,伊朗必须为此付出代价。 |
| 1067 | Otherwise, if they get away with this, guys, | 否则,如果他们逃脱了,伙计们, |
| 1068 | if they get away with pulling this thing off without paying a price for it and backing down, | 如果他们不惜代价把这东西弄走 并退缩的话 |
| 1069 | you're going to see multiple places around the world where other countries are going to be tempted to do the same. | 你会看到世界上有多个地方 其他国家也一样 |
| 1070 | This is unacceptable. | 这是不可接受的。 |
| 1071 | Again, I want to reiterate the point. | 我要再次重申这一点。 |
| 1072 | We keep arguing back and forth about the war and the shooting and this and that. | 我们不停地争吵 关于战争和枪击 还有这个和那个。 |
| 1073 | These guys have shut down an international waterway. | 这些家伙关闭了一条国际水道。 |
| 1074 | The Straits of Hormuz do not belong to Iran. | 霍尔木兹海峡不属于伊朗. |
| 1075 | They don't have a right to shut it down and blow up ships and lay mines. | 他们没有权利将其关闭,炸毁船只和埋设地雷. |
| 1076 | And that's what they've done. | 然其所为. |
| 1077 | That needs to be addressed. | 这需要加以解决。 |
| 1078 | Otherwise, and it cannot be normalized under no circumstance until we live in a world where we accept, | 否则,除非我们生活在一个我们接受的世界中,否则在任何情况下都不能正常化, |
| 1079 | okay, this is normal, you have to coordinate with Iran, | 好吧,这是正常的, 你必须协调伊朗, |
| 1080 | you have to pay them a toll in order to go through the Straits of Hormuz. | 为了穿越霍尔穆兹海峡 你必须给他们一个代价 |
| 1081 | Not only is that unacceptable in the Straits, | 不仅在两海峡都是不可接受的, |
| 1082 | you're creating a precedent that could be repeated in multiple other places around the world. | 你创造了一个先例,可以在世界各地的多个地方重复。 |
| 1083 | The whole world should join us in this condemnation, | 全世界都应该和我们一起谴责, |
| 1084 | and the whole world should join us in doing something about it, by the way. | 顺便说一句,全世界都应该和我们一起做一些事情。 |
| 1085 | It shouldn't just be us. | 不应该只是我们 |
| 1086 | We're hoping to get countries, we're going to give them a chance to do something about it at the United Nations. | 我们希望有国家,我们将给它们在联合国做一些事情的机会. |
| 1087 | All right, give me that last question. | 好吧,给我最后一个问题。 |
| 1088 | All right, that lady right there in the white. | 好吧,那个穿着白色衣服的女士 |
| 1089 | Thank you, Mr. Secretary. | 谢谢你,秘书先生。 |
| 1090 | Okay, hold on, stop yourself. | 好吧,坚持住,停止自己。 |
| 1091 | I'll do two more and then I've got to go. | 我会再做两个,然后我得走了。 |
| 1092 | Yeah, go ahead. | 说吧 |
| 1093 | Iran has shown what? | 伊朗表现了什么? |
| 1094 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 1095 | Iran has shown that it's been able to withstand a lot of pressure, | 伊朗已经证明它能够承受很多压力, |
| 1096 | and yesterday President Trump has said that they may run out of oil storage in two weeks. | 特朗普总统昨天说 两周后石油储备就会用完 |
| 1097 | Do you believe that that will be the thing that gets them to the table to give up their nuclear ambitions, | 你相信那会让他们放弃核野心吗? |
| 1098 | and if not, what will be that thing? | 如果不是,那会是什么? |
| 1099 | Look, they're suffering devastating damage to their economy. | 听着,他们的经济受到毁灭性的破坏 |
| 1100 | You're right, but it's not that they're able to withstand pressure, | 你说的对,但这并不是说 他们能够承受压力, |
| 1101 | it's that they don't care that their people are suffering. | 他们不在乎自己的人民在受苦 |
| 1102 | You understand, right? | 你明白吗? |
| 1103 | There's a difference between we can withstand pressure and we actually don't care. | 我们能承受压力,其实我们不在乎。 |
| 1104 | Now, I think there are people in their system that care more than others. | 现在,我想他们系统中的人 比其他人更关心。 |
| 1105 | You know, some of the elected people that you see, | 你知道,一些当选的人 你看到, |
| 1106 | some of the people you see on television with the suits on, | 在电视上看到一些穿西装的人 |
| 1107 | you know, those guys care because they know at the end of the day they have to live in the reality. | 你知道,那些家伙关心 因为他们知道在一天结束时 他们必须生活在现实中。 |
| 1108 | And then you have an other element of their government, | 然后你有他们政府的另一部分 |
| 1109 | the clerical, the clerics, the IRGC types, | 文秘,神职人员,爱尔兰革命卫队的类型, |
| 1110 | who probably are more immune to that and care less. | 他们可能对此免疫力更强 关心更少 |
| 1111 | They're more interested in regime survival at all costs. | 他们不惜一切代价对政权的生存更感兴趣. |
| 1112 | But ultimately the pressure points are what they are. | 但最终压力点是它们是什么。 |
| 1113 | Are they less divided now than they were before? | 他们现在的分歧比以前小了吗? |
| 1114 | Because the administration has said that the Iranian regime is divided, making it very challenging. | 因为政府说伊朗政权是分裂的,使其非常具有挑战性. |
| 1115 | Well, it's been challenging to deal with them diplomatically because, for example, | 以外交方式对付他们一直很困难 因为,比如, |
| 1116 | an offer will be made and then it takes five or six days to get a response | 然后要花五、六天才能得到答复 |
| 1117 | because you have to get it through the whole system. | 因为你必须把它通过整个系统。 |
| 1118 | They have to find the supreme leader wherever he hides. | 他们必须找到最高领袖 不管他藏在哪里 |
| 1119 | They've got to get him to sign off and that's their system. | 他们得让他签字 这就是他们的系统 |
| 1120 | Their system has always been multilayered in this way. | 他们的系统总是以这种方式多层次的. |
| 1121 | It's obviously become more complex because of the damage they suffered during the war. | 由于他们在战争中遭受的破坏,显然变得更加复杂. |
| 1122 | But look, suffice it to say, Iran has to pay a price. | 但是,只要说,伊朗必须付出代价。 |
| 1123 | They're not going to change their position out of the kindness of their heart. | 其心慈悲不改其位. |
| 1124 | There has to be a pressure point on them that causes them to realize they cannot continue to close the straits | 他们必须有一个压力点 让他们意识到他们无法继续关闭海峡 |
| 1125 | or they face crushing economic consequences, but also global diplomatic isolation, | 或面临巨大的经济后果, 但也面临全球外交孤立, |
| 1126 | which they have proven in the past to be susceptible to. | 过去他们已经证明是容易受感染的。 |
| 1127 | But you're right, they have a high pain threshold, but they don't have an unlimited pain threshold. | 但你是对的,他们有很高的疼痛阈值,但他们没有无限的疼痛阈值. |
| 1128 | Nobody does. | 没有人知道。 |
| 1129 | All right, this has to be the last question. | 好吧,这是最后一个问题。 |
| 1130 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 1131 | Secretary, many people want to know what is your DJ name. | 部长,很多人想知道你的DJ名字 |
| 1132 | My DJ name? | 我的DJ名字吗? |
| 1133 | Your DJ name. | 你叫DJ吗? |
| 1134 | You're not ready for my DJ name. | 你还没准备好我的名字 |
| 1135 | On the war, if the fighting were to resume, because you've said that Operation Epic Fury is over, | 在战争中,如果战斗要恢复, 因为你已经说过,"Epic Fury行动"已经结束了, |
| 1136 | the President also said that the U.S. would bomb them off the face of the earth if they tried to go after U.S. ships. | 总统还说,如果美国试图追击美国船只,美国将把他们从地球上轰走。 |
| 1137 | So if the fighting resumes, are you saying that it would resume under Project Freedom? | 所以,如果战斗恢复, 你是说它会恢复 在自由项目? |
| 1138 | And I ask as it relates to the War Powers Act. | 我问它与战争权力法案有关。 |
| 1139 | Yeah, look, the Operation Epic Fury is concluded. | 是啊,你看, 行动Epic Fury 结束了。 |
| 1140 | We achieved the objectives of that operation. | 我们实现了这一行动的目标。 |
| 1141 | I'm not going to, you know, we're not cheering for an additional situation to occur. | 我不会,你知道,我们不会欢呼 出现新的情况。 |
| 1142 | We would prefer the path of peace. | 我们更希望走和平的道路。 |
| 1143 | What the President would prefer is a deal. | 总统所希望的是一个交易。 |
| 1144 | He would prefer to sit down and work out a memorandum of understanding for future negotiations | 他宁愿坐下来,为今后的谈判拟订一份谅解备忘录。 |
| 1145 | that touches on all the key topics that have to be addressed, | 涉及所有需要处理的关键问题, |
| 1146 | a full opening of the straits so the world can get back to normal. | 完全打开海峡 让世界恢复正常 |
| 1147 | And he preferred that that be negotiated through the route that Steve and Jared have been working | 他更喜欢通过 史蒂夫和贾里德一直在工作的路线谈判 |
| 1148 | and that all of us have been supporting. | 以及我们所有人一直支持。 |
| 1149 | That's the route he prefers. | 这是他喜欢的路线。 |
| 1150 | That is so far not the route that Iran has chosen. | 这迄今不是伊朗选择的路线。 |
| 1151 | And so the result has been that the United States has to do something about the fact | 结果是美国必须有所行动 |
| 1152 | that we're the only nation on earth that can do anything to open up a lane | 我们是世界上唯一一个 能做任何事打开一条通道的国家 |
| 1153 | within the Straits of Hormuz to get product and to rescue these people that are trapped in there. | 在霍尔穆兹海峡内 获得产品 并营救那些困在那里的人 |
| 1154 | And that's what we're undergoing now. | 这就是我们现在正在经历的。 |
| 1155 | What that may lead to in the future is speculative. | 今后可能导致的是投机。 |
| 1156 | I'm not going to speculate about what it would take or what it would do. | 我不会去猜测它需要什么 或者它会做什么。 |
| 1157 | But look, the message to Iran, these guys are facing, | 但看,给伊朗的信息,这些人正面临, |
| 1158 | they are facing real catastrophic destruction to their economy, | 他们的经济正面临真正的灾难性破坏, |
| 1159 | generational destruction to their economy, | 世代毁灭他们的经济, |
| 1160 | generational destruction to the wealth of their country, | 世代毁灭他们的国家的财富, |
| 1161 | imposed on themselves by the actions that they're taking. | 被他们的行为强加于自己 |
| 1162 | They should check themselves before they erect themselves in the direction that they're going. | 他们应该先检查自己 然后再把自己竖起来 |
| 1163 | Does the White House believe that these votes coming up in Congress are a moot point, then? | 白宫是否认为这些选票 出现在国会是没有意义的? |
| 1164 | Look, guys, I love talking about this topic. | 你看,伙计们,我喜欢谈论这个话题。 |
| 1165 | You're talking about the War Powers Act. | 你在说战争权力法 |
| 1166 | Okay, I love it. | 好吧,我喜欢它。 |
| 1167 | I was hoping somebody would ask. | 我希望有人会问。 |
| 1168 | All right, hold on, hold on. | 好吧,坚持住,坚持住。 |
| 1169 | No, no, boy, you don't want me to answer. | 不,不,孩子,你不希望我回答。 |
| 1170 | I've got to answer the question. | 我必须回答这个问题。 |
| 1171 | Okay, and I love it. | 好吧,我喜欢它。 |
| 1172 | I'll tell you why I love it. | 我会告诉你为什么我爱它。 |
| 1173 | Because even as a senator, I said something. | 因为即使作为一个参议员,我说了些什么。 |
| 1174 | The War Powers Act is unconstitutional, 100 percent. | 《战争权力法》是违反宪法的,100%。 |
| 1175 | Now, this is not the position of me, not the position of the President of the United States now. | 现在,这不是我的立场,也不是美国总统的立场。 |
| 1176 | This is the position of every single president that has occupied this position since the day that law passed. | 这是自法律通过之日起担任这一职务的每一位总统的职位。 |
| 1177 | It's completely unconstitutional. | 这是完全违宪的. |
| 1178 | Now, we comply with it in terms of, like, notification because we want to preserve good relations with Congress, right? | 现在,我们在通知方面遵守它, 因为我们想保持与国会的良好关系,对不对? |
| 1179 | And we do that. | 我们这样做。 |
| 1180 | But even as a senator, I would say that the War Powers Act is 100 percent unconstitutional. | 但是,即使作为一个参议员,我会说,战争权力法案 是100%违宪的。 |
| 1181 | And look, I know some of you, whatever you want to say, but this is not this president's position. | 听着,我知道你们中的一些人 随便你们怎么说 但这不是总统的职位 |
| 1182 | That has been the position of every single presidential administration since the day that law passed. | 自法律通过之日起,这是每个总统行政当局的立场。 |
| 1183 | It's an infringement on the President's constitutional powers. | 这侵犯了总统的宪法权力. |
| 1184 | We don't acknowledge the law as constitutional. | 我们不承认法律是宪法 |
| 1185 | Nonetheless, we comply with elements of it for purposes of maintaining good relations with Congress. | 不过,为了与国会保持良好关系,我们遵守其中的内容。 |
| 1186 | And we want them to be involved and we want them to be informed. | 我们希望他们参与进来,并让他们了解情况。 |
| 1187 | I have gone on Capitol Hill, I don't know, four times this year for all senators and all House members and Intel Committee and Gang of Eight. | 我不知道,我今年去过国会山 四次,所有参议员和议员 以及英特尔委员会和八人帮 |
| 1188 | We want them to be involved in this. | 我们希望他们参与其中。 |
| 1189 | But I want to be clear on the point of the War Powers Act, it's unconstitutional. | 但是,我想明确战争权力法案的要点,这是违宪的. |
| 1190 | And every president and every administration has taken that position. | 每个总统和每个行政部门都采取了这一立场。 |
| 1191 | All right, guys, I gave you 50 minutes. | 好了 伙计们 我给你50分钟 |
| 1192 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 1193 | Thank you, guys. | 谢谢你们 |
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