【剑桥辩论】AI将终结艺术家
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| 0:05 | Good evening ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Cambridge Union for our second debate of this Easter term | 晚上好 女士们先生们 欢迎来到剑桥联盟 参加我们的第二次复活节辩论 |
| 0:14 | It is great to see so many of you here tonight in the middle of coursework deadlines exams local elections | 很高兴今晚能见到你们这么多人 来参加考试 |
| 0:21 | So thank you so much for turning out this evening | 所以,非常感谢你今晚的出现 |
| 0:23 | I'm going to start by running through the format of the debate tonight | 我要从今晚辩论的形式开始 |
| 0:26 | So that everyone knows what is going on and how that you as our members can participate | 让每个人都知道发生了什么 以及你作为我们的成员如何能够参与 |
| 0:31 | So we will open with a 10-minute proposition speech before moving to the opposition for a 10-minute speech | 因此,我们将以10分钟的提议发言开始,然后向反对派提出10分钟的发言。 |
| 0:36 | We'll then take a round of floor speeches in proposition opposition and abstention of emotion | 然后我们进行一轮演讲 提议反对和放弃情感 |
| 0:41 | Before moving back to a round of paper speeches again in proposition and opposition | 在回到一轮纸质演讲之前, |
| 0:46 | We'll take another round of floor speeches before moving to our final round of paper speeches as a member | 在作为成员进入最后一轮纸质演讲之前,我们再发言 |
| 0:52 | It is your right to raise points of information during speeches | 你有权在演讲中提出问题 |
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| 1 | Good evening ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Cambridge Union for our second debate of this Easter term | 晚上好 女士们先生们 欢迎来到剑桥联盟 参加我们的第二次复活节辩论 |
| 2 | It is great to see so many of you here tonight in the middle of coursework deadlines exams local elections | 很高兴今晚能见到你们这么多人 来参加考试 |
| 3 | So thank you so much for turning out this evening | 所以,非常感谢你今晚的出现 |
| 4 | I'm going to start by running through the format of the debate tonight | 我要从今晚辩论的形式开始 |
| 5 | So that everyone knows what is going on and how that you as our members can participate | 让每个人都知道发生了什么 以及你作为我们的成员如何能够参与 |
| 6 | So we will open with a 10-minute proposition speech before moving to the opposition for a 10-minute speech | 因此,我们将以10分钟的提议发言开始,然后向反对派提出10分钟的发言。 |
| 7 | We'll then take a round of floor speeches in proposition opposition and abstention of emotion | 然后我们进行一轮演讲 提议反对和放弃情感 |
| 8 | Before moving back to a round of paper speeches again in proposition and opposition | 在回到一轮纸质演讲之前, |
| 9 | We'll take another round of floor speeches before moving to our final round of paper speeches as a member | 在作为成员进入最后一轮纸质演讲之前,我们再发言 |
| 10 | It is your right to raise points of information during speeches | 你有权在演讲中提出问题 |
| 11 | These are sort of questions or challenges to what speakers are saying, but please keep these short | 这些都是问题或挑战 发言者在说什么,但请缩短 |
| 12 | It's not an opportunity to make your own speech | 这不是你发表演讲的机会 |
| 13 | That's what floor speeches are for and please ensure its phrase is a challenge or a question to something that a speaker is saying | 这就是发言的意义,请确保发言的语句是对某位发言者所说的一个挑战或问题。 |
| 14 | So the motion before the house this evening is this house believes ai will kill the artist | 所以今晚在房子前的动议是 这房子相信Ai会杀了艺术家 |
| 15 | 今晚开场白是Ed Newton Rex | |
| 16 | Ed newton rex is a composer former tech executive and campaigner for creators rights | Ed Newton Rex是一位作曲家,曾担任创作权的技术主管和竞选员 |
| 17 | Who is the founder of fairly trained a non-profit that generates certified generative ai companies for fairer training practices | 创办一个经过公平培训的非营利组织,为更公平的培训做法创建经认证的基因公司。 |
| 18 | In 2025 he was named one of time magazine's hundred most influential people in ai ed you have the ears of the house | 2025年,他被命名为时代杂志的百名最有影响力的人物之一 在Ai Ed 你有房子的耳朵 |
| 19 | Thank you | 谢谢 |
| 20 | 2022年,Kelly mcernan表现良好Kelly | |
| 21 | Was not from a background of privilege kelly had in fact had an abusive childhood | 不是从特权的背景 Kelly 曾经有过虐待的童年 |
| 22 | But had struggled through that and had managed to make a really successful career as an artist | 但经过了挣扎 并成功完成了一个 真正的成功的艺术家生涯 |
| 23 | They were selling their paintings. | 他们卖他们的画。 |
| 24 | They were doing illustrations on commission | 他们正在做关于佣金的插图 |
| 25 | Things were going well. | 事情进展顺利 |
| 26 | They were doing what they loved and they were getting paid for it then came ai | 他们做了他们喜欢的事 他们得到报酬 然后来了 |
| 27 | It was 2022 remember kelly started to hear about an ai image generator a new one called mid journey | 2022年 记得Kelly开始听说一个AI图像生成器 一个叫做中途旅行的新生成器 |
| 28 | Mid journey could create convincing images in seconds. | 中途旅行可以在几秒内产生令人信服的图像. |
| 29 | It could even create images in kelly's signature style | 它甚至可以用 Kelly 的签名风格创建图像 |
| 30 | Because it had been trained on their work without permission | 因为它未经允许就接受了工作培训 |
| 31 | Sales dried up commissions dried up kelly lost a third of their income almost overnight and as a single parent | 销售干涸佣金 Kelly几乎一夜之间就失去了三分之一的收入 作为单亲父母 |
| 32 | Had to resort to their fullback option of being a teacher | 不得不完全选择当老师 |
| 33 | Kelly's is one story over the last couple of years | Kelly在过去几年里就是一个故事 |
| 34 | I have spoken to countless artists about ai and I can assure you that it is not a one-off in january | 我和无数的艺术家谈论过Ai 我可以向你保证,这不是在january的一次性 |
| 35 | 2024 | 2024 (英语). |
| 36 | A poll revealed that one in four illustrators had already lost work | 民意调查显示 四分之一的插画家已经失业了 |
| 37 | To generative ai that was over two years ago. | 给两年前的遗传性爱 |
| 38 | Think about how much the models have improved since then | 想想这些模型从那时起改进了多少 |
| 39 | Last year I visited la to speak to the society of composers and lyricists | 去年我拜访了La 向作曲家和歌舞家的社团演讲 |
| 40 | Which is the association for people who write music for film and tv | 这是为电影和电视创作音乐的人的社团 |
| 41 | Afterwards people asking me questions and some of them were literally in tears because of the effect that ai has already had | 之后有人问我问题,有些人因为Ai已经产生的效果而泪流满面 |
| 42 | On their careers and sure enough in january this year | 在他们的职业生涯上 和足够的确定 今年在january |
| 43 | a survey revealed that three in four musicians | 调查显示,每四名音乐家中有三名 |
| 44 | are worried that | 担心 |
| 45 | Generative ai if unregulated is a threat to their livelihoods | 如果不受管制是对其生计的威胁,则具有遗传性 |
| 46 | You know, this is clearly a | 你知道,这显然是 |
| 47 | serious | 严重 |
| 48 | problem but don't | 问题,但不要 |
| 49 | Artists use ai how can ai kill the artist if artists are using it already? | 艺术家使用ai,如果艺术家已经使用它,ai如何杀死艺术家? |
| 50 | And of course they do sure | 当然了 |
| 51 | Many of the loudest voices encouraging artists to use ai are in fact paid to do so we know that but there are | 许多最响亮的声音鼓励艺术家使用ai,事实上是花钱来这样做的,这样我们才知道,但是有 |
| 52 | Obviously huge numbers of artists already adopting ai in their process | 很明显,大量的艺术家 已经在他们的进程中收养AI |
| 53 | How can ai kill the artist if so many people are adopting it? | 如果这么多人收养了艺术家 AI怎么能杀死他? |
| 54 | I think that this is | 我想这是 |
| 55 | A myopic view the automatic elevator when it was introduced | 引入自动电梯时的视觉效果 |
| 56 | Did not immediately lead to the people who operated manual elevators | 没有立即找到操作人工电梯的人 |
| 57 | Being phased out some of them hung around for years in some buildings doing the bits of the job | 被淘汰了,他们中有些人 呆了好几年 在一些建筑里做一些工作 |
| 58 | that still benefited from a human touch like | 仍然受益于人类的触摸 |
| 59 | Helping people on and off if you look at a small | 帮助人们上下 如果你看到一个小 |
| 60 | slice | 切点 |
| 61 | Of a process a much larger process of automation and you zoom in on that slice | 在一个过程中,一个更大的自动化过程, 你放大在切片上 |
| 62 | It can often look like increased productivity | 通常看起来像是生产率的提高 |
| 63 | For the very people who are in the process in the long-term process of having their work automated away | 对那些长期处于工作自动化过程中的人来说 |
| 64 | now | 现在 |
| 65 | It is tempting to think or to hope that some other force | 思考或希望其他力量 |
| 66 | Must be at play here that something else must be leading to these creatives these artists losing work | 一定是在这里玩 一定有别的东西 导致这些创意 这些艺术家失去工作 |
| 67 | But in many cases they are being explicitly told | 但在许多情况下,他们被明确告知 |
| 68 | That ai is the reason they are losing work and even when they're not told that's the case | 爱是他们失去工作的原因 即使没人告诉他们 |
| 69 | It's obvious take a friend of mine | 很明显,我有个朋友 |
| 70 | This friend does concept art for film studios major hollywood film studios before ai | 这个朋友为电影制片厂做概念艺术 主要的好莱坞电影制片厂 |
| 71 | A big team of artists including her would come together very early in the process | 包括她在内的一大批艺术家 将会很早就聚在一起 |
| 72 | They'd be involved from that early and they would be doing all sorts of illustrations gradually | 他们从那时起就参与其中 并且会逐渐进行各种插图 |
| 73 | That got whittled down until it was only her | 那被打得一团糟 直到只有她 |
| 74 | Refining things that she was sent images. | 修炼她被传送的影像 |
| 75 | She was sent that were clearly ai generated and eventually | 她被送去的,显然是 AI的产生并最终 |
| 76 | She started losing jobs completely | 她开始完全失业了 |
| 77 | It's not that she has no work now, but she has a lot less than she had before | 不是说她现在没有工作,而是比以前少很多 |
| 78 | And clearly that is a huge issue for her | 显然这对她来说是个大问题 |
| 79 | I think it is obvious | 我觉得很明显 |
| 80 | that | 那个 |
| 81 | Certain types of work of creative work and of artists will be killed by ai | 某些类型的创作作品和艺术家将被ai杀害 |
| 82 | The kinds of artists you have not heard of the kinds who do work for hire and before you say | 那种你没听说过的艺术家 在你说之前 |
| 83 | That's not the artist we're talking about here. | 这不是我们所说的艺术家。 |
| 84 | That's not true art. | 这不是真正的艺术。 |
| 85 | Remember that you can't separate | 记住你不能分开 |
| 86 | True art if there is such a thing | 真正的艺术,如果有这样的事情 |
| 87 | From the day-to-day work of creative labor most artists | 从创造力的日常工作 大部分艺术家 |
| 88 | Don't have the luxury of not working. | 不要奢侈地不工作。 |
| 89 | They don't have the luxury of just doing the art | 他们没有做艺术的奢华 |
| 90 | They are absolutely passionate about and nothing else tony morrison | 他们绝对是充满激情的,没有别的 托尼莫里森 |
| 91 | Was an editor while she wrote her novels | 她写小说的时候是编辑 |
| 92 | Ernest hemmingway was a journalist quincy jones was a freelance arranger before anyone really knew his name | 欧内斯特·海明威是一名记者 Quincy Jones是一名自由职业安排者 在别人真正知道他的名字之前 |
| 93 | All of these artists needed to work, especially early in their careers | 所有这些艺术家都需要工作,特别是在职业生涯的初期 |
| 94 | And what's more the work they did helped turn them into the artists that they would become | 更何况他们所做的工作 让他们变成艺术家 |
| 95 | If we lose | 如果我们输了 |
| 96 | the kind of paid creative work | 那种有报酬的创造性工作 |
| 97 | That can support these people where will the next generation of artists come from? | 这可以支持这些人 下一代艺术家会从哪里来? |
| 98 | How will they learn and it is early in people's careers that is being hit the hardest by ai already | 他们将如何学习,在人们的职业生涯中,早期就已经遭受了最大的打击 |
| 99 | There was a paper released from stanford last year that showed that graduate age | 去年斯坦福有一篇论文 表明毕业年龄 |
| 100 | job opportunities | 就业机会 |
| 101 | Are slowing more | 越来越慢了 |
| 102 | in careers and pathways | 职业和途径 |
| 103 | Which are more susceptible to ai automation than in those which aren't and it's juniors | 比起那些不自动化的 和低年级的 |
| 104 | That of course go first because seniors | 那当然是先因为高三 |
| 105 | Realize that using ai is quicker and cheaper than hiring a junior when I | 体会到使用AI比雇用初级学生更快,更便宜 |
| 106 | graduated | 毕业 |
| 107 | From this university 16 years ago my first job | 16年前从这所大学毕业 我第一份工作 |
| 108 | Was transcribing an improvised piano album | 正在翻转一张即兴钢琴专辑 |
| 109 | So that a music publisher could release it now doing this for me | 这样音乐出版商就可以为我做这个了 |
| 110 | Gave me some much needed cash at the time, but it also changed the harmony that I used in my own compositions | 当时给了我一些非常需要的现金 但也改变了我用在自己作品中的和谐 |
| 111 | Now today thankfully I think frontier ai models still actually a very bad at music transcription | 幸好今天我觉得 边疆模特儿在音乐录音方面还是很不好 |
| 112 | It's not a big enough market apparently for them to focus on | 这显然不够大 市场,他们专注于 |
| 113 | But they will master it it will only be a matter of time before they do and so I would say to any music | 但是他们会掌握它,这只会是时间问题 他们这样做,所以我会说任何音乐 |
| 114 | Students here tonight. | 今晚这里的学生。 |
| 115 | Do you think that that kind of opportunity will be available to you when you graduate all of this? | 你觉得你毕业后 会有机会吗? |
| 116 | Makes it less attractive to enter the arts in the first place before I applied here | 我申请到这里之前 开始进入艺术界就不那么有吸引力了 |
| 117 | I remember very well my parents had some let's say reservations about my applying for music might maths not be a better idea | 我非常记得我的父母,我有些保留 我申请音乐可能不是一个更好的主意 |
| 118 | you know | 你知道吗 |
| 119 | I can't imagine what it feels like for the teenagers of today | 我无法想象今天的青少年会是什么感觉 |
| 120 | And how strong the incentive must be to take another path when ai is so rapidly and so thoroughly mastering such vast swathes of creativity | 当Ai如此迅速 如此彻底地掌握了 如此巨大的创造力时 采取另一条道路的动力是多么强大 |
| 121 | the household names | 家庭名称 |
| 122 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}不会很快杀死Taylor {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}不会的 | |
| 123 | But I would put it to you that if ai kills 90 percent of the creative class | 但我想告诉你 如果Ai杀了90%的创意课 |
| 124 | And of the ecosystem around creativity that supports and nurtures it what you have is effectively a death | 而围绕创造力的生态系统 支持和培育它 你拥有的就是死亡 |
| 125 | Artists have to be paid | 艺术家必须付钱 |
| 126 | Payment is a function of demand and ai decreases demand if you're an example of this look at music | 付费是需求的一个函数,Ai 减少需求 如果你是一个例子 看着音乐 |
| 127 | Where 44 percent of songs uploaded to deezer every day are now fully ai generated now | 每天都有44%的歌曲上传到德泽尔 现在已经完全成品了 |
| 128 | That's a huge number of songs most of them of course no one listens to | 这首歌很多 当然没人听 |
| 129 | But some they do and these are topping the charts | 但有些是他们做的,这些是上图 |
| 130 | When you top the charts with an ai song you're taking streams and royalties away from a human artist | 当你用一首Ai歌曲在图表上登顶的时候 你从一个人类艺术家那里拿走了溪流和版税 |
| 131 | Every ai song that tops the charts is one fewer human song that does so | 每首在图表上最高的Ai歌 都比人类少一首 |
| 132 | Now even though ai is literally topping the charts. | 现在,即使Ai正在 字面上加图。 |
| 133 | We still have this | 我们还有这个 |
| 134 | Tendency to underestimate underestimate ai's capabilities. | 倾向于低估AI的能力。 |
| 135 | We fall into the trap of thinking that today's technological capabilities | 我们陷入了认为今天的技术能力的陷阱 |
| 136 | Are a good indicator of the futures | 未来是一个很好的指标 |
| 137 | I remember this very well from my days founding a generative ai startup in 2010 | 我从2010年创世以来就记得这一点 |
| 138 | When I sat people down and said to them then ai will soon write music will be creative | 当我坐下来对他们说, 然后Ai很快会写音乐 将创造力 |
| 139 | Almost all of them laughed and here we are | 几乎所有人都笑了,我们在这里 |
| 140 | So I would encourage you tonight when you are thinking | 所以我今晚会鼓励你 当你在想 |
| 141 | About and asking yourself whether ai will kill the artist | 问起自己是否要杀死艺术家 |
| 142 | I would encourage you not to base your answer on today's capabilities as impressive as they are | 我鼓励你们不要以今天的能力为基础来回答问题。 |
| 143 | Consider whether ai may continue to improve and what it will mean if it does now | 考虑是否ai可能继续改善,如果现在继续改善意味着什么 |
| 144 | The artist is not dead yet | 艺术家还没死 |
| 145 | And this I think is the good news | 我觉得这是个好消息 |
| 146 | while | 时 |
| 147 | Ai is being adopted incredibly rapidly. | 爱被收养的速度非常快 |
| 148 | There is also a growing resistance more and more people | 还有越来越多的人反抗 |
| 149 | Are insisting that ai outputs be labeled as such more and more people and artists are committing to keeping their art human | 坚持将产品标注为 越来越多的人和艺术家承诺 保持他们的艺术人性 |
| 150 | there are | 有个 |
| 151 | apps that are springing up that will | 正在涌现的应用程序 |
| 152 | Let artists share their work in a forum where no ai is allowed last year. | 让艺术家分享他们的作品, |
| 153 | I organized a silent album | 我整理了一张无声专辑 |
| 154 | Protesting the government's plans on ai and copyright weakening copyright law to benefit ai companies at the expense of artists and we got | 抗议政府关于ai和版权的计划 削弱版权法 使ai公司受益 牺牲艺术家 |
| 155 | a thousand musicians | 一千名音乐家 |
| 156 | Involved and what struck me about that was how incredibly easy frankly it was to get people on board with that because they were ready | 这件事让我很惊讶 坦率地说 让人们加入其中是多么容易 |
| 157 | Desperate in some cases to do something to fight back against this. | 在某些情况下,渴望做一些事来反击这种情况。 |
| 158 | These are people who are incredibly worried | 这些人令人难以置信的担心 |
| 159 | About the impact this is having on their professions and what it will mean for artists globally if we get this moment wrong | 关于这对他们的职业的影响 以及如果我们搞错了 对全球艺术家的意义 |
| 160 | ai | (单位:千美元) |
| 161 | Will be the death of the artist. | 将会是艺术家的死亡。 |
| 162 | It won't be a sudden death | 不会是突然死亡的 |
| 163 | Step out in front of a bus kind of death | 站在公交车上的死亡前 |
| 164 | It is more like a cancer a death that may be slow and painful | 更像是癌症 可能缓慢而痛苦的死亡 |
| 165 | And it really has been painful for a lot of people. | 这对很多人来说的确很痛苦。 |
| 166 | I mean, these are friends of mine | 我的意思是,这些都是我的朋友 |
| 167 | I'm sure I'm sure people know people in this position and drawn out | 我敢肯定,我敢肯定,人们认识的人 在这个位置和抽出 |
| 168 | It is the kind of death that the people who surround you | 环绕你的是那种死亡 |
| 169 | will tell you that | 我会告诉你 |
| 170 | You will be able to struggle through but which deep down, you know will be very hard to avoid | 你会挣扎下去 但内心深处 很难避免 |
| 171 | but | 不过 |
| 172 | Like cancer and I do think this is important if we catch it early enough if we act | 就像癌症,我确实认为这很重要 如果我们能及时抓住它,如果我们采取行动 |
| 173 | If we also get a bit lucky | 如果我们也走运了 |
| 174 | I really believe that it is possible | 我真的相信这是可能的 |
| 175 | to fight it off | 来对抗它 |
| 176 | I desperately and deeply hope that some people in this room will join that fight because it | 我迫切和深切地希望,在这个房间里有些人会加入这场斗争,因为它 |
| 177 | marches onwards | 前进 |
| 178 | And I would just encourage you not | 我只是鼓励你不要 |
| 179 | To be complacent not to just assume that artists will be okay through all of this ai will kill the artist | 要自满,不要只是假设 艺术家会没事 通过这一切AI会杀死艺术家 |
| 180 | But only if we let it. | 但只有我们让它。 |
| 181 | Thank you very much | 非常感谢 |
| 182 | Thank you | 谢谢 |
| 183 | For that fine speech we now move to the opposition and opening the case for the opposition this evening is manon dave | 这场精彩的演讲,我们现在转向反对派, 今晚为反对派开案 |
| 184 | Manon dave is an award-winning creative technologist musician and head of future world design at bbc rnd | Manon Dave是一位获奖的创意科技家音乐家, 也是未来世界设计主管, |
| 185 | He develops creative ai products and tools in collaboration with companies including mercedes apple and microsoft | 他与苹果和微软等公司合作开发创意AI产品和工具 |
| 186 | And in partnership with creatives such as will.i.am and idris elba manon you have the ears of the house | 并且与 意志. |
| 187 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 188 | Mr. President | 总统先生 |
| 189 | members of the house | 议员 |
| 190 | about my esteemed proposition and | 关于我尊敬的提议和 |
| 191 | and opposition colleagues | 与反对派同事 |
| 192 | Before I begin i'd just like to spend a few seconds acknowledging one person in the gallery tonight | 在我开始之前 我想花几秒钟 承认一个人今晚在画廊 |
| 193 | my grandfather who's | 我爷爷是谁? |
| 194 | Kind of by the way 94 years old | 顺便说一句,94岁 |
| 195 | He was born in gajarat india | 他出生在加贾拉特因迪亚 |
| 196 | in 1932 | 在1932年时 |
| 197 | And he pursued three degrees one in english economics | 他追求英国经济学的三度一 |
| 198 | And uh and philosophy and I know many of you here will appreciate how difficult one can be I certainly figured that out | 嗯,还有哲学,我知道这里的很多人会明白 一个人有多难,我当然知道 |
| 199 | in my youth | 在我年轻的时候 |
| 200 | All while supporting his family | 养家糊口 |
| 201 | And the chamber you're sitting in tonight | 你今晚坐的房间 |
| 202 | is honestly | 老实说 |
| 203 | a privilege | 特权 |
| 204 | One that I don't think he ever thought he would have | 我觉得他从没想过会这样 |
| 205 | To be able to see this chamber with his own eyes | 能够亲眼看到这个房间 |
| 206 | So when I say thank you for lending me your ears | 所以当我说谢谢你借我耳朵 |
| 207 | I really say it from the bottom of my heart and uh from from my family | 我真的从内心深处说,从我家里说 |
| 208 | So thank you very much to the uh to the house | 所以,非常感谢你 uh到房子 |
| 209 | The proposition has invited us and me here this evening to uh | 提议今晚邀请我们来 |
| 210 | to essentially mourn | 基本上哀悼 |
| 211 | If you like the death of the artist and I appreciate ed for outlining that it's not happened yet | 如果你喜欢这位艺术家的死 我很感激Ed 说这还没有发生 |
| 212 | But um, I do find it a little bit awkward primarily because of the fact that I might be the first speaker | 但我确实觉得有点尴尬 主要是因为我可能是第一位发言者 |
| 213 | In the 300 year history of this house to be invited here to | 在300年的史册中,这里被邀请 |
| 214 | Essentially fight against my own extinction. | 从根本上说,要与我自己的灭绝作斗争. |
| 215 | I'm I am the artist | 我是艺术家 |
| 216 | As many of us here are today | 今天我们这里有很多人 |
| 217 | and uh, and I think it's | 嗯,我想这是 |
| 218 | You know, it feels like we're at a juncture where | 你知道,这感觉就像我们正处于一个关头 |
| 219 | Understanding and defining what we really mean by these words as ed started to do in his | 理解和定义我们真正意义上的这些话 正如Ed在他开始做的 |
| 220 | Proposition I think are very important and we should not let | 我认为建议非常重要 我们不应该让 |
| 221 | The key three words really included in the motion to be ignored and unexamined | 3个关键词 真正包含在动议中 被忽略和未经审查 |
| 222 | So i'll begin there, you know, the first of which is ai | 所以我从那里开始,你知道, 第一个是ai |
| 223 | the notion of something dying or killing | 死亡或杀戮的概念 |
| 224 | Uh the artist the third and so if we take ai to be the first | 艺术家是第三,所以如果我们以AI为第一 |
| 225 | ai isn't one thing | 爱不是一件事 |
| 226 | it was briefly outlined there that you know, really ai is a | 它被简要概括在那里 你知道,真的ai是一个 |
| 227 | an amalgamation of 70 odd years of research from | 70奇数年的研究 |
| 228 | The rule-based systems of the 1950s | 1950年代的规则制度 |
| 229 | the transformation or transformers, I beg your pardon of 2017 that have essentially moved us into this phase of | 请原谅2017年的改造或变压器 使我们进入了这个阶段 |
| 230 | the large language models of today | 今天的大语言模型 |
| 231 | to say ai will kill the artist | 说AI会杀了艺术家 |
| 232 | is | 这是 |
| 233 | Really to anthropomorphize a category at this stage | 真正在现阶段将一个类别变成人类化 |
| 234 | Take kills for a second | 杀人一秒钟 |
| 235 | In 1979 the bugles released | 1979年,这些虫子被释放 |
| 236 | Video killed the radio star | 视频杀死了广播明星 |
| 237 | Radio currently has more listeners than ever before in human history | 电台现在的听众比人类历史上任何时候都多 |
| 238 | So if kill is the most if in the motion is metaphorical, which I genuinely hope it is in this case | 所以,如果杀人是最大的 如果在运动是隐喻的, 我真心希望这是在这种情况下 |
| 239 | And I think we can all agree it is | 我想我们都同意 |
| 240 | Then we must concede that the artist like the radio star has no option but to turn up the volume | 那我们必须承认,像无线电明星这样的艺术家别无选择,只能把音量调高 |
| 241 | And finally artist | 最后是艺术家 |
| 242 | the motion queries | 动议查询 |
| 243 | Or quietly buries I would say the assumption in this word | 或悄悄的埋葬,我会说这个假设 |
| 244 | The proposition may assume | 提议可以假定 |
| 245 | Or may propose that the artist is a fixed category which ed quite clearly has outlined it isn't | 或者可能提出艺术家是固定的类别 很明显地,它不是 |
| 246 | But it really isn't the artisan | 但其实不是工匠 |
| 247 | Became the artist the artist became the creative and the creative in recent times has become the maker | 成为艺术家 艺术家成为创造者 近代的创造者成为创造者 |
| 248 | Every generation that's thrown is occupied by somebody who was not recognized or not accepted somehow | 每一代人都会被一个 不被承认或不接受的人占据 |
| 249 | By the previous generation | 以前人发誓, |
| 250 | So when the proposition says ai will kill the artist I ask | 所以当命题上说Ai会杀死艺术家时 我问 |
| 251 | Which artist | 哪个艺术家 |
| 252 | Is it the medieval scribe is it? | 是中世纪的文士吗? |
| 253 | the court portraitist | 法庭肖像画家 |
| 254 | the session musician of 1981 who was banned from using the synthesizer | 1981年会议音乐家 被禁止使用合成器 |
| 255 | Because if those are the artists that we're talking about then yes at some stage | 因为如果那些是艺术家 我们所说的,那么在某个阶段是的 |
| 256 | Aversion of that artist has died | 厌恶那个艺术家的人死了 |
| 257 | And was succeeded immediately and without any latency | 并立即成功 并且毫无延迟 |
| 258 | Mr. President, let me take the house on a very brief | 主席先生,让我作一个非常简短的发言。 |
| 259 | Tour of if you like the graveyard of technologies that have purported to be able to kill the artist | 如果你喜欢那些 自称能杀死艺术家的技术的墓地 |
| 260 | 1839年法国画家Paul delaroch | |
| 261 | Um | 垛 |
| 262 | I think saw his saw the first daguerreotype | 我想他看见了第一个达盖罗式 |
| 263 | Set down his brush and said | 放下他的画笔说 |
| 264 | Painting from here on is dead | 从这里开始画画就完了 |
| 265 | Painting is obviously pulling in nine figure numbers at auction still to this day and | 绘画显然在拍卖中 仍以9个数字标出至今 |
| 266 | Artists in in that world are very revered | 在那个世界上的艺术家是受人尊敬的 |
| 267 | in 1492 abit yohannes truthemius | 在1492年 尤汉尼丝真理派 |
| 268 | wrote in praise | 写着赞美 |
| 269 | in praise of scribes which was a passionate defense of | 以赞颂赞颂真主,超绝万物, |
| 270 | Handwritten manuscripts against the printing press | 手写手稿反对印刷机 |
| 271 | He argued that printing books would not last and would make monks intellectually lazy | 他主张印刷书籍不会持续 会使僧侣在智力上懒惰 |
| 272 | Later, he printed that manuscript | 后来,他打印了手稿 |
| 273 | In 1966 the manchester free trade hall | 1966年曼彻斯特自由贸易厅 |
| 274 | a man | 一个男人 |
| 275 | Acclaimed exclaimed in the audience judas | 在观众中声名狼藉 |
| 276 | as bob dylan | 作为波布·迪兰 |
| 277 | Performed the unforgivable sin of plugging his guitar | 做了不可饶恕的罪 插他的吉他 |
| 278 | Into an amplifier | 输入放大器 |
| 279 | 50 years later | 50年过去了 |
| 280 | Dylan, of course won the noble prize for literature still very much within | 迪伦,当然,赢得了高贵的文学奖 仍然非常多 |
| 281 | His formation as an artist | 他作为一个艺术家的形成 |
| 282 | 1982年Bob moe的生日,同样 | |
| 283 | One of the godfathers if you like of music technology and synthesizer | 如果你喜欢音乐科技和合成器的话,就是教父之一 |
| 284 | Um | 垛 |
| 285 | The musician's union passed a motion to ban | 音乐家工会通过了禁止动议 |
| 286 | Any electron I quote any electronic device capable of recreating the sounds of conventional musical instruments | 我引用任何电子设备 能够重现传统乐器的声音 |
| 287 | the synthesis synthesizer today arguably | 今天的合成合成器 |
| 288 | plays a part alongside | 边玩边玩 |
| 289 | Its other compatriot tools the sampler and even you could say | 它的另一个同胞工具 取样员,甚至你可以说 |
| 290 | ai 组件 | |
| 291 | as | 作为 |
| 292 | The orchestra of popular music | 流行音乐的乐团 |
| 293 | I'll take ed's point. | 我接受Ed的观点。 |
| 294 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 295 | Sorry to get so early. | 抱歉这么早来 |
| 296 | Um, I just wanted to say on painters | 我只是想说画家 |
| 297 | I think you're right, although it's important to note that miniature portrait painters were entirely decimated as a field to the extent that | 我认为你是对的, 虽然重要的是要注意到 微型画像画家 被完全摧毁作为一个领域, |
| 298 | Individuals lost their livelihoods their families everything so, you know the camera had a significant effect and the more general point | 个人失去了他们的生计 他们的家人的一切,所以,你知道 相机有显著的影响 和更普遍的观点 |
| 299 | I'd make is that the big difference I would argue between this technology and those technologies, which you'll probably get onto | 我想说的是 我所争论的这种技术 和那些技术之间的巨大区别 你可能会发现 |
| 300 | Is that ai is a general purpose technology and none of those were | 这是否是一种通用技术? |
| 301 | Thanks for the thanks for the point. | 谢谢你的感谢 |
| 302 | Yes, I think just to very briefly react. | 是的,我想只是非常简短的反应。 |
| 303 | Um, if I might miss present, um | 嗯,如果我可能错过礼物,嗯 |
| 304 | the | 联合国 |
| 305 | There is no doubt that the anecdotes many of the anecdotes that you also mentioned and I certainly have friends within within the same fields | 毫无疑问,这些传闻中有很多你还提到的 传闻,我当然有朋友 在同一领域 |
| 306 | Uh, there are many folks who are suffering and going through these situations | 很多人都在受苦受难 经历着这样的情况 |
| 307 | And I think as I lay out at the beginning and as i'll continue to lay out | 我想当我在开始的时候, 当我会继续做 |
| 308 | I think that we have to agree that there is a cyclical nature to both the emergence of technology | 我认为我们必须同意 技术的出现具有周期性 |
| 309 | And how it interweaves in various art forms and I think therein lies the opportunity for artists to | 它是如何以各种艺术形式交织在一起的 我认为它就是艺术家们 |
| 310 | In a different way perhaps not against the technology but perhaps against the structures that contain the art form as a business | 换句话说,也许不是反对技术,而是反对将艺术形式作为企业的结构。 |
| 311 | Argue against the case of their role within that industry | 反对他们在该行业中的作用 |
| 312 | Thank you | 谢谢 |
| 313 | um, i'll move on to | 嗯,我会继续 |
| 314 | Mr. President not to dismiss of course ed's and uh, and and his compatriots claims today | 总统先生当然不辞退 以及他的同胞们今天的要求 |
| 315 | Ed himself if I might say so for a brief second, uh is an absolutely extraordinary advocate. | 艾德本人,如果我可以这么说 短短的一秒钟,呃 一个绝对杰出的倡导者。 |
| 316 | Um | 垛 |
| 317 | of the house of | 众议院主席 |
| 318 | Creative rights, um, as he mentioned he founded fairly traded | 创造权,嗯,他提到 他成立公平交易 |
| 319 | Through my own work. | 通过我自己的工作。 |
| 320 | I'm i'm also absolutely passionate about protecting the rights of creators | 我对保护创作者的权利也很热情 |
| 321 | Which has become unfortunately a necessary | 很遗憾,这已经成为一种必要的 |
| 322 | uh | 瓳 |
| 323 | Kind of motion because of the fact that we've become as artists that fuel for a lot of these machines | 因为我们成为了为这些机器加油的艺术家 |
| 324 | However, that isn't the debate at hand in my opinion | 不过,我认为这不是辩论 |
| 325 | I think the exploitation of exploitation of artists as I was just mentioning | 我认为利用艺术家,就像我刚才提到的 |
| 326 | Uh is not necessarily the death of artists. | 不一定是艺术家的死 |
| 327 | It's something that has been institutionally | 这是在体制上 |
| 328 | built and built up over time and you find often within the infrastructure of art a lot of the same players which are | 在艺术的基础设施中 经常发现很多同样的玩家 |
| 329 | Largely not the technology companies but the rights management companies in the cases of musicians in particular | 主要是技术公司,特别是音乐人的权利管理公司 |
| 330 | Who govern the way in which technologies are adopted and are indeed deployed within the industry for monetary gains | 由谁管理技术的采用方式,并实际在行业中部署,以获取金钱收益 |
| 331 | I am science universal music and i'll reserve the right to contain my | 我是科学普世音乐 我会保留控制我的权利 |
| 332 | Opinion on how they for example might have acted in this uh in this current period but therein lies | 例如,关于他们在本期间可能如何采取行动的意见,但意见在于 |
| 333 | I think the topic of protecting the artists not against the technologies that ultimately become the tools in many of these cases | 我想保护艺术家们 不受这些技术的影响 这些技术在很多情况下最终成为工具 |
| 334 | And i'll get onto that but against perhaps the infrastructure itself that governs how artists are monetized | 我会去了解,但也许 基础设施本身 支配艺术家如何货币化 |
| 335 | Thank you | 谢谢 |
| 336 | I'll finish | 我会说完的 |
| 337 | with one | 一个 |
| 338 | I guess clear but um, if you like metaphorical | 我想很清楚,但是,如果你喜欢比喻 |
| 339 | Position on what the artist actually represents and the construct within which the artist lives | 关于艺术家实际代表什么和艺术家生活结构的立场 |
| 340 | If for a second you consider art, which I certainly do to be | 如果你认为艺术,我当然是 |
| 341 | In some ways, uh, you know a kind of god-given right | 在某些方面 你知道上帝赋予的权利 |
| 342 | of passage for any individual | 任何个人的通过 |
| 343 | the creative essence of | 创造力的本质 |
| 344 | Our existence overall is is something that's innate in our ability to imagine | 我们的存在是本能的 |
| 345 | What we're capable of and very few of us artists, especially for a living get to actually act upon that | 我们有能力的,我们很少的艺术家, 特别是为生活着的艺术家们, 得到实际的行动 |
| 346 | Instinct that really human instinct. | 直觉是人类的本能 |
| 347 | So if art is the monarchy | 所以如果艺术是君主制 |
| 348 | Again, metaphorically speaking then the artist surely is the occupant of the throne | 再说一句,比喻说,那艺术家一定是王位的主人 |
| 349 | Every monarch dies | 每个君主都死了 |
| 350 | Every monarch is succeeded and there is no pause | 每个君主都成功,没有停顿 |
| 351 | The institution is more permanent | 该机构更长期 |
| 352 | Than its current resident if you take that if you take that | 而不是现在的住家 如果你接受的话 |
| 353 | metaphor | 隐喻 |
| 354 | So even if we concede that for the sake of argument that some version of the artist can be killed by ai | 所以即使我们承认为了争论 艺术家的某个版本 会被Ai杀死 |
| 355 | That some particular form of the craft becomes unrecognizable or inaccessible | 某种特定形式的飞船无法辨认或无法进入 |
| 356 | The death of one artist or one art form | 一个艺术家或一个艺术形式的死亡 |
| 357 | in the same instant | 在同一瞬间 |
| 358 | the coronation of the next | 下一个加冕典礼 |
| 359 | In the words of one great artist and philosopher that i've certainly admired christopher wallace aka the notorious big biggie smalls | 用一位伟大的艺术家和哲学家的话来说 我当然钦佩克里斯托弗·沃拉斯 臭名昭著的大个子 |
| 360 | You're nobody till somebody kills you | 在有人杀你之前,你什么也不是 |
| 361 | Dope record by the way, you should check that out | 顺便说一句,你应该检查一下 |
| 362 | Perhaps christopher if I may call him that was right and the proposition tonight has done | 也许克里斯托弗,如果我可以叫他 是正确的,今晚的提议已经做了 |
| 363 | All of the artists amongst us a tremendous favor | 我们当中所有艺术家都帮了大忙 |
| 364 | They've tried to kill us and in doing so they've made us immortal | 他们想杀我们 却让我们永生 |
| 365 | The artist is dead long live the artist. | 艺术家死了 艺术家万岁 |
| 366 | I urge the house to oppose. | 我敦促这房子反对。 |
| 367 | Thank you | 谢谢 |
| 368 | Thanks to the member for his fine floor speech we now move back to our second round of paper speakers | 感谢该成员作了精彩发言,我们现在回到第二轮讲纸者。 |
| 369 | 今晚第二位是Jacqueline amponsa | |
| 370 | Jacqueline is a pgce student training to become an english teacher at hughes hall | Jacqueline是一门Pgce 学生训练 成为英语教师 在拥抱大厅 |
| 371 | She's an admirer of the arts a poet and previously studied french and philosophy at ucl. | 她是一个艺术的崇拜者 一个诗人,并且以前在ucl学习法语和哲学. |
| 372 | Jacqueline you have the ears of the house | 杰奎琳 你有这房子的耳朵 |
| 373 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 374 | Mr. President and thank you to all the members here tonight for this debate | 主席先生,感谢你今晚在座的所有成员参加这次辩论。 |
| 375 | To stand here and emphatically argue that ai will kill the artist seems dramatic as | 站在这 强烈主张Ai会杀死艺术家 |
| 376 | The opposition said it seems somewhat hyperbolic | 反对派说这看起来有点夸张 |
| 377 | But I am here to tell you that the ai induced death of the artist is by no means a stretch of the imagination | 但我是来告诉你 艺术家的死亡 绝对不是想象力的延伸 |
| 378 | ai will kill the artist in three stages first | Ai会先在三个阶段杀死艺术家 |
| 379 | It will continue to remold the artist's relationship to art in an unprecedented fashion | 它将继续以前所未有的方式重现艺术家与艺术的关系 |
| 380 | Secondly, it will poison the very essence of the artistic spirit | 第二,它会毒害艺术精神的精髓 |
| 381 | And finally it will usurp the creative intelligence of future generations | 最后它会篡夺后代的创造力 |
| 382 | And to truly conceptualize this I want you all to imagine humanity's first artist a caveman | 为了真正地构思这个 我希望你们都想象人类的第一个艺术家 一个洞穴人 |
| 383 | painting prehistoric art on a cave | 在洞穴上画史前艺术 |
| 384 | These paintings and engravings often depicted animals humans on the hunt and prehistoric sculptures often depict things like pregnancy | 这些绘画和雕刻经常在狩猎中描绘人类的动物,史前雕塑也经常描绘怀孕之类的事物. |
| 385 | and fertility | 和生育率 |
| 386 | We begin here because historically tracing our relationship to art reveals something about what artists stand to lose | 我们从这里开始,因为历史的追踪 我们与艺术的关系 揭示了艺术家会失去什么 |
| 387 | Since human beings are not gods since we cannot actually create x in the helo | 由于人类不是神,因为我们实际上无法在直升机上创造X |
| 388 | We must understand the mechanisms by which an artist actually becomes an artist to see how ai will kill the category | 我们必须了解艺术家真正成为艺术家的机理 来了解Ai会如何杀死这个类别 |
| 389 | altogether | 总共 |
| 390 | So what is an artist we've all acknowledged that this is inevitably a broad category | 所以,什么是艺术家 我们都承认 这不可避免地是一个广泛的类别 |
| 391 | Artists in the truest sense are wrestling with something | 真正意义上的艺术家在与某些东西搏斗 |
| 392 | Primal and that is the connection between their inner and outer | 原始的,这是它们的内在和外在的联系 |
| 393 | Worlds the inner world we experience is generated by powerful urges our emotions memories thoughts values desires | 我们所经历的世界 是由强大的力量创造的 我们的情感记忆 |
| 394 | The outer world is experienced through our senses and with the example of that prehistoric caveman | 我们通过感官和史前洞穴人 来体验外面的世界 |
| 395 | With his hands covered in paint staring at the wall at what he made with his own hands | 他的双手被油漆遮住 看着墙壁 看着他亲手做的 |
| 396 | We can see that he experienced something in the outside world. | 我们可以看到,他在外部世界经历了一些事情。 |
| 397 | Maybe a hunt that was so profound. | 也许是一场如此深刻的狩猎 |
| 398 | It left an imprint on his mind | 它给他留下了印记 |
| 399 | And then he made a decision that is crucial to artistry | 然后他做了一个对艺术至关重要的决定 |
| 400 | He manipulated the tools available to him and uses creative intelligence to mediate between his inner and outer | 他操纵着他掌握的工具 利用创造力来调解他的内心和外在 |
| 401 | world | 世界 |
| 402 | We've discussed tools. | 我们讨论过工具 |
| 403 | We've discussed the fact that tools have changed and evolved | 我们讨论过工具已经改变和演变的事实 |
| 404 | for time | 时间 |
| 405 | Ai is altogether a different tool | 爱是一个完全不同的工具 |
| 406 | We have new sophisticated synthetic and digital instruments that artists can now engage with | 我们拥有新的精密的合成和数字仪器 艺术家们现在可以使用 |
| 407 | And even though we know | 虽然我们知道 |
| 408 | That ai has been frowned upon by some artists | 美术家们都对此不屑一顾 |
| 409 | We need to understand the reason for that rejection the reason for the rejection of ai's looming | 我们需要了解拒绝的原因 拒绝AI即将出现的原因 |
| 410 | 艺术和创作界的Omnibresence. | |
| 411 | It's not a matter of taste. | 岂非品味之事. |
| 412 | It's because ai is not an ordinary tool | 因为Ai不是普通的工具 |
| 413 | It is not at all in the sense tools have existed before | 根本就没有工具存在的意义 |
| 414 | And thinking about actual examples of ai artists can tell us why | 想想Ai艺术家的实际例子 就能告诉我们为什么 |
| 415 | Jason Allen was a game designer who spent around 80 hours crafting | Jason Allen是一个游戏设计师 他花了大约80个小时来设计 |
| 416 | Teatro d'opera special for colorado art contest and it depicts the most dreamlike scene | 特别的彩色画展 描绘最梦幻的场景 |
| 417 | People in space dressed to go to the opera | 穿着太空服去上歌剧的人 |
| 418 | And there's something about it that reminds you of renaissance painting | 有些东西让你想起复兴画 |
| 419 | There was an absolute outcry in response to his win within the artistic community despite the fact that this art piece | 尽管这幅艺术作品在艺术界中获胜 却遭到强烈反对 |
| 420 | Demonstrates a clear artistic vision training and multiple iterations of work | 展示明确的艺术视觉培训和多种工作迭代 |
| 421 | However, I would argue that in the hands of this game designer with his artistic vision as a guide ai was used as a tool | 然而,我想说,在这个游戏设计师的手中, 他的艺术视野作为导师AI被用作工具 |
| 422 | Yes, simultaneously there is still a risk presented by ai for creative death | 是的,与此同时,Ai对创造性死亡仍有风险 |
| 423 | And the reason | 还有原因 |
| 424 | That i'm arguing for the decline and eventual death of creative intelligence is not a faith-based argument | 我主张 创造性智慧的衰落和最终的死亡 不是一个基于信仰的论点 |
| 425 | There is a neuroscience to creativity | 创造力需要神经科学 |
| 426 | There's a pattern that manifests itself in the brains of creative individuals even at rest | 有一种模式 表现在创造者的大脑中 甚至休息 |
| 427 | and | 和 |
| 428 | We can see this the more creative participants in certain studies were the more their brains showed stronger | 我们可以看到,在某些研究中, 创造力越强的参与者 大脑就越强壮 |
| 429 | communication between two major brain systems that being the executive control regions, which is in charge of directing | 两大大脑系统之间的沟通是行政控制区,负责指挥 |
| 430 | thoughts | 思维 |
| 431 | And default neural networks which are in charge of imagination mind-wandering and internal reflection | 和默认的神经网络 负责想象 心智和内部反射 |
| 432 | creative people are simply better at getting | 创造力的人更擅长获得 |
| 433 | Imaginative processes and deliberate thinking to cooperate within their brains | 想象过程和深思熟虑的合作 |
| 434 | And it does appear based on a study conducted in columbia university | 它确实是基于哥伦比亚大学的一项研究 |
| 435 | In 2022 that the default neural network is causally linked to creative thinking | 2022年,默认神经网络 与创造性思维有因果关系 |
| 436 | We already know that critical thinking is being impacted by ai | 我们已经知道 批判性思维正受到ai的影响 |
| 437 | So how arrogant would we be to assume that similar impacts would not actually manifest themselves? | 那么,我们如何傲慢地假设类似的影响实际上不会表现出来? |
| 438 | In our creativity should we begin to defer artistic work to ai? | 在我们的创造力中,我们应该开始 将艺术作品推迟到AI? |
| 439 | We're no longer working through a tool. | 我们不再用工具工作了 |
| 440 | We're no longer working through the paintbrush or the pen | 我们不再用画笔和笔了 |
| 441 | We are working in concert with another | 我们正在和另一个人协同工作 |
| 442 | Distinct form of intelligence the clue is in the name | 线索在名字里 与众不同的智能形式 |
| 443 | And jason allen's example reveals how this will happen | Jason Alleen的例子揭示了这会发生什么 |
| 444 | His interaction with ai as a tool is emblematic of the threat that ai poses | 他作为工具与AI的互动 象征着AI带来的威胁 |
| 445 | Because ai possesses its own intelligence the very use of this tool remolds the artist's relationship with art | 因为Ai拥有自己的智慧 这个工具的用法 重塑了艺术家与艺术的关系 |
| 446 | The artist no longer wrestles with their own creative intelligence skills and creative vision alone | 艺术家不再单凭自己的创造智慧和想象力来摔跤 |
| 447 | It's working in concert with another intelligence | 它与另一个情报部门协同工作 |
| 448 | And this is a completely different and distinct species of intelligence | 这是完全不同的智力种类 |
| 449 | We need artists to have the creative capacities | 我们需要艺术家的创造力 |
| 450 | To reason think and mold their works for themselves | 为了思考和塑造他们的作品 |
| 451 | Without the use of ai before they engage in the use of this tool. | 在他们使用这一工具之前没有使用ai。 |
| 452 | Otherwise, it is not a tool anymore. | 否则,它不再是工具。 |
| 453 | Yes your point | 是的,你的观点 |
| 454 | I I definitely agree with the framing of the human experience of the creation of art and I can only speak for | 我绝对同意艺术创造中人类经验的构思 我只能代表 |
| 455 | Myself and there I have one thing in common with the artist avicii | 我和那个艺术家有一点共同点 |
| 456 | Which is that both of us at age 16 downloaded an illegal copy of free loops and learned how to make music by pixel painting | 也就是我们16岁的时候 下载了一张非法的免费循环 并学会了如何用像素画制作音乐 |
| 457 | notes into our | 我们的笔记 |
| 458 | Computer with no physical instrument in sight arguably | 电脑没有物理仪器 |
| 459 | So skill is the one | 所以,技能是那个 |
| 460 | Kind of gap I see perhaps in in in your argument, which i'd love for you to address which is | 在你的争论中,我看到了某种差距, 我希望你能解决 |
| 461 | Skill still has to develop | 技术还需要发展 |
| 462 | In the definition of the artist that you've laid out | 在你给艺术家下的定义中 |
| 463 | um some kind of | 嗯,某种类型的 |
| 464 | Beating on the craft of performing the same thing over and over again until you | 一遍又一遍地打着同样的东西 直到你 |
| 465 | find a way of communicating and translating the idea from your imagination to the | 找到一种方法来沟通和把想法从你的想象中翻译到 |
| 466 | The it's an object that somebody can consume | 是别人可以消费的东西 |
| 467 | so | 这样 |
| 468 | What's to say that ai simply hasn't emerged as another paintbrush? | 什么叫说,AI只是没有出现 作为另一个漆刷? |
| 469 | Of course, so you outline that it's an intelligence that you are in some essence collaborating with | 当然,所以你概述 这是一个智能 你本质上合作 |
| 470 | What difference is that to me as a producer who has? | 对我这个制片人有什么区别? |
| 471 | Ideas in my mind collaborating with a | 我脑海中的想法 与一个 |
| 472 | Guitarist who has gone through that same skill crafting process. | 吉塔里斯特也经历了同样的工艺过程。 |
| 473 | Am I not just crafting my skills on another instrument? | 难道我不只是在另外的乐器上设计自己的技能吗? |
| 474 | Okay working with a guitarist who would be someone who possesses their own creative intelligence | 好,跟吉他手合作,他就是拥有自己创造力的人 |
| 475 | It's different to working in concert with ai and the reason for that is the way ai actually forms | 和Ai合作是不一样的 原因就是Ai的形成方式 |
| 476 | The things that it puts out is taking in data. | 它给出的东西是吸收数据。 |
| 477 | It's not | 这不是 |
| 478 | Engaging with art creatively is engaging with data numerical points and | 创造性地参与艺术,就是参与数据数字点和 |
| 479 | Things that are so abstract to it that it can't actually conceptualize it in the same way that a human being would | 对它如此抽象的事物, 它实际上不能像人那样构思它 |
| 480 | so if we're talking about | 所以,如果我们在谈论 |
| 481 | Dealing with another creative intelligence in the form of a human being who has gone and taken in and absorbed | 处理另一种创造性的智慧, 以人类的形式, 已经走了, 收留和吸收 |
| 482 | So many different types of art and that has influenced them and their mind and they've really processed | 许多不同的艺术类型 影响了他们 和他们的心灵 他们真的加工了 |
| 483 | What that art means to them is completely different to what ai does. | 艺术对他们的意义 和Ai的工作完全不同 |
| 484 | That's what I would argue there. | 这就是我想在那里争论的。 |
| 485 | Thank you | 谢谢 |
| 486 | Okay, but to continue and just to round off | 好吧,但继续 和只是回合 |
| 487 | I want to say that the motion is not bringing into question whether ai is currently killing artists | 我想说的是 动议不会质疑Ai是否正在杀害艺术家 |
| 488 | We know that's not true. | 我们知道那不是真的。 |
| 489 | The example that I gave of jason alton earlier demonstrates this | 我之前给Jason Alton的例子 证明了这一点 |
| 490 | But what I want to argue is that the presence of ai will prevent the most fundamental kinds of parts of making art | 但我想说的是,Ai的存在会阻止 艺术最根本的部分 |
| 491 | And being an artist and so before you vote tonight | 在你今晚投票前做艺术家 |
| 492 | I want you to quickly consider the current state of affairs the general decline of artistic engagement within the new generation | 我想让你尽快考虑一下 当代艺术界的普遍衰落 |
| 493 | Who are being fed ai slop who can no longer attend museums and who do not read? | 谁被喂了Ai sloop 谁不能再去博物馆了 谁不识字? |
| 494 | These people are future artists and ai will kill any and all artistic potential within them | 这些人是未来的艺术家,Ai会杀死他们所有的艺术潜力 |
| 495 | Thank you jacklyn for that fine speech | 谢谢你杰克林的精彩演讲 |
| 496 | Our second opposition speaker this evening is tamzin challenger | 我们的第二位反对派发言人是坦辛挑战者 |
| 497 | Tamzin is a multi-disciplinary artist whose work has explored socio-political themes from gender violence to selfie culture | Tamzin是一个多学科的艺术家,他的作品探讨了从性别暴力到自我文化的社会政治主题。 |
| 498 | A two-time guardian top five exhibitions pick her portfolio includes producing for bbc | 两次守护者前五名的展览 挑选她的组合包括制作Bbc |
| 499 | Writing a book of poetry his hymn and receiving the radio for pick of the year for my male muse | 写一本诗集 他的赞美诗 收听收音机 为我的男性缪斯选年 |
| 500 | Tamzin you have the ears of the house. | 坦津,你有这房子的耳朵。 |
| 501 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 502 | Mr. President and hello ears | 总统先生,你们好 |
| 503 | Um, I won't be taking any questions | 嗯,我不会接受任何问题 |
| 504 | William blake said imagination is not a state. | 威廉·布莱克说想象力不是一个州. |
| 505 | It's the human existence itself | 是人类的存在本身 |
| 506 | Ingredients for why an artist creates are much like micro expressions often unfathomable | 艺术家为何创作的素材 和微小的表达方式很像 |
| 507 | But read via biological markers and visual keys | 但通过生物标记和视觉键读取 |
| 508 | Something unspoken unlearned transferred is the difference between an avatar update | 未言而喻的未被转移的东西 是异形更新的区别 |
| 509 | And an honest conversation | 和诚实的对话 |
| 510 | One thing has always been clear though. | 但有一点一直很明确。 |
| 511 | It's never the tools but how an individual wields them | 不是工具 而是个人如何使用 |
| 512 | When I was approached to debate the future of ai and the artist | 当我被邀请去辩论 AI和艺术家的未来 |
| 513 | I asked myself, what can I add to this bloated fish of a conversation? | 我问自己,我有什么能补充 浮夸的谈话鱼? |
| 514 | How do I speak for a group of people as disparate and unconventional as artists are? | 我如何代表一群像艺术家一样 与众不同和不寻常的人说话? |
| 515 | I started to worry about the pitfalls the poison chalice the artist ego | 我开始担心陷阱 毒杯 艺术家的自我 |
| 516 | The inability of to future proof any argument based in unknowns and widespread speculation | 今后无法证明任何基于未知和广泛推测的论据 |
| 517 | I asked cambridge union why me? | 我问康布里奇工会为什么是我? |
| 518 | And was told it was due to my installation monoculture | 听说是因为我安装了独家文化 |
| 519 | In which I scrutinized digital cultural homogeneity | 我仔细研究了数字文化的同质性 |
| 520 | In 2012 when this work was made there were a scant four articles online mentioning the term selfie | 2012年,当这部作品制作时,网络上很少有四篇文章提到自拍一词。 |
| 521 | One spelling it with a y | 一个用y拼写 |
| 522 | By late 2013 oxford dictionaries named it word of the year | 到2013年末,牛福德辞典将其命名为当年的单词 |
| 523 | This work coupled with a recent sequence of poems in which I cast | 这部作品加上我最近所创作的诗集 |
| 524 | Chachi pt as a flawed surrogate for human connection | 作为人际关系的缺陷代孕者 |
| 525 | Was given as reason | 被给出的理由 |
| 526 | However, this single poem is the only time i've used generative ai as so-called co-creator | 然而,这首单曲是我唯一一次 使用基因爱作为所谓的共同创作者 |
| 527 | Or co-intelligence which created in me an unsteady starting position | 或联合情报 创造了一个不稳定的起点 |
| 528 | Then I realized this itchy feeling of uncertainty about speaking today was the reason to say yes | 后来我意识到今天发言的不安感 是答应的原因 |
| 529 | I acknowledged this emotional route it starts all my work | 我承认这种情感路线 开始我所有的工作 |
| 530 | This is human | 这是人类 |
| 531 | art like intelligence defies easy definition | 像情报这样的艺术 违反简单的定义 |
| 532 | Karen Howe 帝国的作者 Ai 笔记 | |
| 533 | There's no scientific consensus around what human intelligence is | 人类的智慧是没有科学共识的 |
| 534 | Her point that the terminology we use to discuss these large language models | 她说我们用来讨论这些大语言模型的术语 |
| 535 | Could be an identifiable misnomer | 可能是可识别的误构物 |
| 536 | Or in other words a mere attempt at recreating human intelligence in essence a mirror | 换句话说,只是试图在本质上 重新创造人类的智慧 |
| 537 | Caravaggio's narcissus is often cited as an eerie precursor to the selfie a myth cemented in our consciousness | 卡拉瓦乔的自恋常被引为自恋的前兆 是我们意识中的神话 |
| 538 | by ovid's metamorphoses | 由Ovid的变形体 |
| 539 | cursed by nemesis for his vanity | 被虚荣之祸诅咒 |
| 540 | Narcissus falls in love with his own reflection and dies leaving behind a flower self | Narcissus爱上了自己的反射 死后留下了花朵 |
| 541 | Caravaggio's depiction famously forms an oil painted circle a continual loop of self-reflection | 卡拉瓦乔的描写 形成了油画圈 不断的自我反射 |
| 542 | Today we are forcibly wading in the black mirror of ai but opposite to human creative spirit | 今天,我们被迫在黑暗的镜子里摇晃 但与人类的创造精神相反 |
| 543 | It's nonetheless just that a reflection | 然而,这只是一个反射 |
| 544 | Mirrors and repetition are as important in art as scraping our conversation and artistic legacy is to ai learning | 镜像和重复在艺术中的重要性 和刮掉我们的谈话 艺术遗产对学习很重要 |
| 545 | But with a significant gulf in purpose | 但目标有重大差距 |
| 546 | Artists intention is the pulse | 艺术家的意图是脉冲 |
| 547 | ai has an inability to comprehend its purpose an overgrown word processor if you will | ai 无法理解它的目的 一个过于成熟的文字处理器 如果你愿意的话 |
| 548 | We know ai mimics music at pace, but music isn't just sound | 我们知道Ai模仿音乐的速度, 但音乐不只是声音 |
| 549 | Its performance it's smelling the sweat the sex of a rock or rap star on stage a collective energy the sensorial | 它的性能 闻到汗水 岩石或说唱明星的性别 在舞台上 集体能量 感官 |
| 550 | We don't for a minute fear ai taking over sport because physical human struggle is the point | 我们一瞬间就不怕 接过运动 因为人类的搏斗才是重点 |
| 551 | European patent offices recently ruled only humans not ai systems can be named inventors | 欧洲专利局最近只统治人类,而非AI系统可以命名为发明者. |
| 552 | ai | (单位:千美元) |
| 553 | Is human coded designed to emulate us any death of the artist is surely the responsibility | 人类的密码是用来模仿我们 艺术家的死亡肯定是责任 |
| 554 | of ai's creators | 爱的创造者 |
| 555 | Like the small | 像小的一样 |
| 556 | Voice of elpis in pandora's box. | 精灵的声音在潘朵拉的盒子。 |
| 557 | I say as ai evolves so will humans humans adapt to the things they create | 人类会适应他们创造的东西 |
| 558 | History is littered with death of art predictions in the 19th century | 历史充满了19世纪艺术预测的死亡 |
| 559 | The rise of photography saw portrait painters fear for their livelihoods with paul deloros famously declaring | 摄影的兴起使肖像画家担心生计,保罗·德罗罗斯宣布 |
| 560 | From today painting is dead | 从今天起画就死了 |
| 561 | This has not come to pass | 还没到 |
| 562 | Last year a clipped painting sold for | 去年卖了一幅剪辑的画 |
| 563 | 236.4 million dollars the highest price achieved for a photograph in 2025 was 2.9 million | 2025年照片的最高价格为290万美元。 |
| 564 | for man-raised noir a blanche | 为人所造谣, |
| 565 | our values adapt | 我们的价值观适应 |
| 566 | When we look at honda's godzilla of 1954 we see a toy | 当我们看到Honda1954年的Godzila时,我们看到一个玩具 |
| 567 | The same applies to the glorious glorious schmorious joy of spielberg's 70s epic jaws our eyes adapt | 斯皮尔伯格70多岁史诗般的喜悦 我们的眼睛也适应了 |
| 568 | Most advancements in technology have unnerved humans, but these examples prove how quickly our brains catch up our brains | 大多数技术的进步 已经使人类感到不自在,但这些例子 证明了我们的大脑是如何快速赶上我们的大脑 |
| 569 | adapt | 适应 |
| 570 | Why then are we being led to believe ai will kill the artist? | 为什么我们被引导去相信 AI会杀死艺术家? |
| 571 | The loudest voices are big tech boys competing for money alongside so-called | 最响亮的声音是大科技男孩 争钱与所谓的 |
| 572 | Godfathers of ai future proofing their consciences. | 未来的教父们会证明他们的良心 |
| 573 | They espouse dystopian predictions | 他们支持极速预测 |
| 574 | Glamouring us in the style of their ai children with hyperbole around unknown dangers of super ai | 以他们孩子的风格 和未知的超级爱的危险 来吸引我们 |
| 575 | From the former this appears to be a marketing device | 从前者来看,这似乎是营销装置 |
| 576 | From the latter a concern that eventually super ai will make extinct humankind | 后一种担心 最终会让人类灭绝 |
| 577 | Rather than the demise of artists ai might just demote the computer scientists from maker to caretaker | 而不是艺术家的死亡 可能只是降级 计算机科学家从制造者 到看守 |
| 578 | Public perception of technology moves at pace, too | 公众对于技术的看法也以速度发展 |
| 579 | I've noticed an uptake uptick in how we deploy the term ai | 我注意到我们如何使用ai这个术语 |
| 580 | He's ai she's ai. | 他是爱,她是爱。 |
| 581 | They are ai to suggest someone is unreal or vacant | 他们认为有人不真实或空着 |
| 582 | We've started referring to ai generated work as slop | 我们开始把Ai制作的作品说成是垃圾 |
| 583 | Culture jamming is already taking place | 文化干扰已经开始了 |
| 584 | In the balance between science and art. | 在科学与艺术之间的平衡中. |
| 585 | It's the artists considered the visionary | 是艺术家们认为有远见 |
| 586 | Artists imagine the future for scientists to realize the mathematics later | 艺术家们想象未来 科学家们将来实现数学 |
| 587 | 想象一下, da vinci nam dune peck 或 bram stoker 宣传一个不能死的人的想法 | |
| 588 | Compare this with the ai godfather jeffrey hinton who admits predictions. | 把这和教父Jeffrey的预言相比 |
| 589 | He's made haven't come to pass | 他还没过世 |
| 590 | He now wants to make ai love us and build in maternal instincts | 他现在想让我们相爱 建立母亲的本能 |
| 591 | Perhaps he might have considered his own paternal responsibility at the time of conception | 也许他在受孕时会考虑他父亲的责任 |
| 592 | Art critic jerry salt suggests artists see patterns before they form | 艺术评论家Jerry盐建议艺术家在形成前先看图案 |
| 593 | Their work explodes like a time bomb in hindsight once reality catches up | 他们的工作就像在事后发现的定时炸弹一样爆炸 一旦现实赶上 |
| 594 | With that in mind here are some of my fresh predictions on the future of super ai | 考虑到这一点,我对超级爱的未来 有一些新的预测 |
| 595 | At the moment ai is a child desperate for our attention trying to please and pacify us to seduce us | 现在Ai是一个孩子 渴望我们的注意力 试图取悦和安抚我们 引诱我们 |
| 596 | As exemplified by margaret aptwood's flirted dialogue with claude on her sub stack | 玛格丽特·阿普特伍德在她的子堆上 和克劳德的调情对话就是一个例子 |
| 597 | When a teenager perhaps it'll slam the door to its synthetic bedroom and play strange cyber discord while masturbating on its own questions | 当一个青少年也许会关上门 进入其合成卧室 玩奇怪的网络不和 同时自慰自己的问题 |
| 598 | On reaching maturity perhaps it'll be so wired with not replicating a sensorial landscape for itself | 到了成熟期,也许它会变得如此有线 而不是自我复制感官景观 |
| 599 | It'll ideate its own demise | 它会想到自己的死亡 |
| 600 | And one day just decide to turn itself off | 有一天决定关闭自己 |
| 601 | Or ai creates a dante's inferno style system of tiered judgment for assessing humans | 或者创造出 Dante的地狱风格体系 分层判断来评估人类 |
| 602 | ai does all it can to sustain earth | Ai尽其所能维持地球 |
| 603 | Subjugating itself to each blade of grass every person's need utopian apathy develops | 屈从于每一片草 每个人的需要 乌托邦冷漠 |
| 604 | Ai just becomes a lo-fi sex bot ai becomes a mass narcissistic numbness loop | Ai只是变成一个Lo-fi性爱的bot ai变成一个自恋的麻木循环 |
| 605 | y | |
| 606 | Sedative ai becomes a horrible bore | 镇静剂Ai变成一个可怕的无聊 |
| 607 | Chipping in when not wanted a learned embarrassment getting things terribly wrong blundering through existence and largely ignored by humans | 当人们不想要学习的尴尬时 就会把事情弄得非常错误 并被人类忽视 |
| 608 | In the run-up to this debate. | 在本次辩论之前。 |
| 609 | I straw polled friends and colleagues in the arts | 我查了艺术界的朋友和同事 |
| 610 | Remarkably | 显著 |
| 611 | None are concerned with ai | 没有人关心ai |
| 612 | impacting their practices | 影响其做法 |
| 613 | Some saw the idea is already over | 有人看见这个想法已经过去了 |
| 614 | free thinkers by nature | 自然自由思想家 |
| 615 | Artists are the avant-garde | 艺术家是前卫 |
| 616 | Outsiders radicals ravers and all in between they're never simply image makers or word processors | 外人激进的狂走者 和他们之间的所有 他们从不是简单的图像制作者 或文字处理器 |
| 617 | Rarely formulaic they're able to see around corners to think critically for me an artist represents human individuality | 很少有公式化的 他们可以看到周围的角落 来批判我 一个艺术家代表着人类的个性 |
| 618 | Reaching for connection to better understand from maybe only one other individual something about themselves | 寻找联系 以更好地理解 也许只有另一个人 对自己有所了解 |
| 619 | Society nature or an unknown llm | 社会性质或身份不明者 |
| 620 | I believe in artists to continue making work and under any imposed regime | 我相信艺术家在任何强加的统治下 继续工作 |
| 621 | Often the only voices in opposition they can loudly reject sometimes literally removing from society altogether | 通常只有反对的声音 他们可以大声拒绝 有时在字面上 完全脱离社会 |
| 622 | Think georgia o'keefe in the 40s retracting from the new york art scene to live deliciously alone | 想想四十年代的Georgia o'keefe 从纽约的艺术场景中收回 独自生活 |
| 623 | Or those that take more extreme positions retreating by suicide like arbus cabane wolf and rothko to name a few | 或那些采取更极端的姿势的人 通过自杀而退缩 像灰熊卡巴内狼和rothko 举几个例子 |
| 624 | A defining aspect of the artist is an ability to pivot | 艺术家的一个决定性的方面是 支点的能力 |
| 625 | Electing to go in the opposite direction to their hearts to create polemic to foster the uncanny and embrace mistakes and messes | 选择朝相反的方向走去 他们的心 制造争吵 培养不光彩 拥抱错误和混乱 |
| 626 | It's curious, isn't it? | 很好奇 不是吗? |
| 627 | That the most valuable postage stamps for a collector are those with errors in printing color or cutting | 收藏家最珍贵的邮票是 印彩或剪彩有错误的邮票 |
| 628 | Artists understand this ai struggles with meaningful mistakes | 艺术家们明白这 AI与有意义的错误斗争 |
| 629 | Within the contemporary commercial art scene. | 当代商业艺术舞台内. |
| 630 | We've seen a backlash against slick ai and digitized work | 我们已经看到一个反弹 对浮油AI和数字化的工作 |
| 631 | The shift to a childlike art coined as intentionally bad serves as a counter movement to the sterile nature of synthography | 向幼稚的艺术的转变 被刻画成不良的图案 用来对抗合成的无菌性 |
| 632 | This messy shift is a clear pivot in market trend | 这种混乱的转变是市场趋势的明显支柱 |
| 633 | Whilst noteworthy these fans in commercial sector often have very little to do with art and are always on the back foot | 值得一提的是 商业界的粉丝们 往往很少与艺术有关 而且总是站在后台 |
| 634 | to the artists themselves | 给艺术家们自己 |
| 635 | Artists that pivot are initially resisted. | 最初支持的艺术家受到抵制. |
| 636 | We all know famous examples from bob dillon's move to electric | 我们都知道Bob Dillon向电动运动的著名例子 |
| 637 | Guston's into cartoonish figuration adrian rich yates | Guston喜欢卡通主义的画作 富有的耶茨 |
| 638 | Humans will come to adapt artists | 人类会来改造艺术家 |
| 639 | Adapt as a constant | 适应为常数 |
| 640 | The poet an saxton said the future is a fog still hanging out over the sea | 诗人萨克斯顿说,未来是一片雾 仍然悬在海面上 |
| 641 | And so is our relationship to ai. | 我们和AI的关系也一样 |
| 642 | I believe we'll pivot as we've always done | и獺и穦暗 |
| 643 | At the start of this talk. | 于此谈起. |
| 644 | I mentioned my poetry sequence | 我提到我的诗歌序列 |
| 645 | The second poem utilizes ai as the surrogate voice of a friend during his silence a poetic vibrator | 第二首诗用ai作为朋友沉默时的代词 一个诗人的振动者 |
| 646 | To conjure the real him in absentia | 假扮真实的他 |
| 647 | Manon has kindly agreed to read the detached other voice | 马农已经同意读另一个声音 |
| 648 | One minute | 一分钟 |
| 649 | Let me go first. | 让我先走 |
| 650 | Oh, sorry | 对不起 |
| 651 | Okay, this is mine | 好吧,这是我的 |
| 652 | rubbing | 擦伤 |
| 653 | Lay the tissue over the image | 把组织放在图像上 |
| 654 | Lay the hand over the parting | 把手放一边 |
| 655 | Tape the paper down | 把纸拍下来 |
| 656 | Push the tape aside | 把磁带推到一边 |
| 657 | Take the crayon | 拿着蜡笔 |
| 658 | Circle the wax in your fingers hold the rubber snake | 绕圈蜡在你的手指 抱橡胶蛇 |
| 659 | Push the wax into each cleft | 把蜡塞进每个裂缝 |
| 660 | Roll the color | 滚动颜色 |
| 661 | Over the vellum circle the graffenberg spot | 在绒毛的圆圈上 草本堡点 |
| 662 | Drift your finger | 飘动你的手指 |
| 663 | Playfully dance a stranger's collision draw the limbal rounds | 玩乐跳舞 陌生人的碰撞 绘制四肢轮回 |
| 664 | And round define as wearing down by friction | 和圆 定义为磨擦磨损 |
| 665 | Oh how I wear down by friction | 哦,我如何磨损 摩擦 |
| 666 | Or how I wear down down by | 或者我怎样磨损 |
| 667 | Oh how I wear down | 哦,我怎样穿下来 |
| 668 | Or how I wear | 或者我穿的怎么样 |
| 669 | Oh how I | 哦,我怎么样 |
| 670 | Or how oh | 或者怎样 |
| 671 | Chat GPT standing in for you | 聊天GPT为你站出来 |
| 672 | By Tamsin Challenger | 由谭森挑战者组织 |
| 673 | Oh | 瓳 |
| 674 | How I feel the weight of these encounters | 我觉得这些相遇的重量 |
| 675 | The slow erosion of my resolve under the relentless pressure of expectation | 在无休止的期望压力下,我的决心慢慢受到侵蚀 |
| 676 | Oh, how I'll wear down layer by layer | 哦,我如何磨损层层 |
| 677 | Until all that remains in a hollow echo of what once was | 直到所有的一切 留在空洞的回声中 |
| 678 | Oh, how I wear | 哦,我怎样穿 |
| 679 | Burdened by the weight of unspoken desires and unfulfilled promises | 被无言的欲望和未兑现的诺言所负担 |
| 680 | Oh, how I wear weary of the dance of intimacy that leads only to emptiness | 哦,我怎么穿累 舞蹈亲密 只导致空虚 |
| 681 | Oh how I | 哦,我怎么样 |
| 682 | trapped in | 困在这里 |
| 683 | cycle in a cycle of longing and rejection | 在渴望和拒绝的循环中 |
| 684 | Yearn for a reprieve from the relentless tide of expectation | 渴望从无休止的期待潮流中缓缓 |
| 685 | Oh how in the silence of my solitude I find I find solace in the absence of connection | 哦,在沉默中,我是如何发现 我感到安慰,因为没有联系 |
| 686 | Where the burden | 负担在哪里 |
| 687 | Of desire is lifted and I feel and I and I am free to simply be | 欲望被解除,我感觉,我和我可以自由 |
| 688 | Oh how I in my weariness find a strange comfort in the void | 哦,我多么的疲惫 在虚空中找到一个奇怪的安慰 |
| 689 | Where the echoes of past encounters | 过去遭遇的回响 |
| 690 | Fade into nothingness | 消失为虚无 |
| 691 | And I'm left alone with my thoughts unburdened by the weight of expectation | 我被期待的重负所困扰 |
| 692 | Oh how | 怎么样 |
| 693 | In the quiet of my solitude | 在我孤独的寂静中 |
| 694 | I find a strange kind of peace where the weariness of the world falls away and I am left alone with myself | 我发现一种奇怪的和平 这个世界的疲惫 消失,我独自一人 |
| 695 | Unencumbered by the demands of intimacy | 不受亲密关系要求的支配 |
| 696 | Oh how I in my weariness find solace in the simplicity | 哦,我多么疲惫,在简洁中找到安慰 |
| 697 | Of my own company where the noise of the world fades into silence and I'm left alone with my thoughts | 在我自己的陪伴下,世界的噪音消退成沉默,而我与我的思想独处 |
| 698 | Free to wonder where they may | 自由去想他们在哪里 |
| 699 | The third poem in the sequence starts oh how I want you more | 诗集的第三首开始 哦 我多么想要你 |
| 700 | But I'll leave you with this | 但我会留给你这个 |
| 701 | In the future ai will almost certainly be able to physically assist you reaching orgasm | 未来Ai几乎可以帮助你达到高潮 |
| 702 | But it will never be able to experience the orgasm itself | 但它永远不会经历高潮本身 |
| 703 | Thank you tamzin for that fine speech and I think potentially the first piece of performance art in a debate of ours | 谢谢你Tamzin的精彩演讲 我想可能是我们辩论的第一部表演艺术 |
| 704 | Thank you so much | 谢谢 |
| 705 | My thanks to the member for his fine speech | 感谢社员的精彩演讲 |
| 706 | We now move to our closing paper speeches this evening and closing in proposition of emotion | 今夜我们开始发表闭幕式演讲 结束我们的情感建议 |
| 707 | Joanne Harris o b e r s l Joanne是一位获奖作家,作品包括20多部小说 | |
| 708 | Her 1999 novel chocolate was adapted to the screen in 2000 starring juliet binnenchet and johnny depp | 她1999年的小说巧克力被改编到2000年的银幕上,主演朱利特·宾尼切特和约翰尼·德普. |
| 709 | She is also an honorary fellow of st catherine's college cambridge and a fellow of the royal society of literature joanne | 她也是圣卡瑟琳大学的荣誉同学 也是皇家文学社团的会员 |
| 710 | You have the ears of the house | 你有这房子的耳朵 |
| 711 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 712 | Mr. President. | 总统先生 |
| 713 | Hello everybody | 你们好 |
| 714 | Um, it's lovely to be here. | 嗯,这是可爱的在这里。 |
| 715 | It's lovely to be here talking about a topic that | 很高兴在这里谈论一个话题 |
| 716 | When I left the society of authors as its chair, I rather hoped I would never have to talk about again | 当我离开作家协会时 我宁愿希望我再也不需要谈论 |
| 717 | And yet it is a talking point in my business and in all the creative arts the business of ai | 但它是一个谈话点 在我的生意和所有 创造性艺术的事业 |
| 718 | What it is doing currently to the creative arts and i'll mostly be talking about my side of it, which is the writing of books | 它现在对创作艺术所做的, 我将主要谈论 我一边它,这是写书 |
| 719 | But it also applies to | 但它也适用于 |
| 720 | every creator | 每个创造者 |
| 721 | In the world in any discipline at all | 在世界上任何学科 |
| 722 | I think one of the things we need to look at here is | 我想我们需要看的是 |
| 723 | Why do we make art in the first place? | 我们为什么要做艺术呢? |
| 724 | What's it for? | 这是干嘛用的? |
| 725 | What is it? | 这是什么? |
| 726 | I think i've been listening to a lot of different assessments of it | 我听了很多不同的评价 |
| 727 | And it's very striking that one of the things that i've heard is that | 我所听到的其中一件事非常惊人 |
| 728 | Largely the artists that are being referenced here are great artists and they are all long dead | 大部分被引用的艺术家都是伟大的艺术家 他们都早已死去 |
| 729 | Caravaggio clint when you talk about artists people will go yesterday | 卡拉瓦乔·克林特 当你谈论艺术家时 人们昨天会去 |
| 730 | I will never be able to replace this great artist will never be able to replace shakespeare | 我永远无法取代这位伟大的艺术家 永远无法取代摇摆 |
| 731 | This is not really the motion and it's not really the problem of what's going on here | 这不是真正的动议 也不是真正的问题 在这里发生了什么 |
| 732 | The fact is that art the whole of the creative industries have evolved over many many hundreds of years | 事实上 艺术 整个创意产业 已经发展了几百年 |
| 733 | from those very first | 从那些最先 |
| 734 | cave paintings | 洞穴画 |
| 735 | from | 从 |
| 736 | Gilgamesh to | 吉尔伽美什呼叫 |
| 737 | To everything in between whether you like the art or not whether it is beautiful and meaningful to you or not | 无论你是否喜欢艺术 不论它是否美丽和有意义 |
| 738 | All art is part of a long | 所有艺术都是长篇小说的一部分 |
| 739 | Ecosystem which began many years ago with a cave person putting their hand covered in red clay on the wall of a cave | 生态系统开始于很多年前 一个洞穴人把手 覆盖在红粘土上 |
| 740 | to signify | 以表示 |
| 741 | I made this | 我做了这个 |
| 742 | I was here | 我在这里 |
| 743 | And art has evolved as we have evolved | 艺术随着我们的发展而演变 |
| 744 | Over many years to | 多年以来 |
| 745 | To signify more than that it has become a dialogue between human beings | 不仅仅是它已经成为人与人之间的对话 |
| 746 | It's become an expression of shared human consciousness | 这是人类共同意识的体现 |
| 747 | Of our experiences of our feelings of what we have in common with each other with different cultures | 我们的感受 与不同文化的共同点 |
| 748 | with the future with the past | 未来与过去 |
| 749 | it is a way of | 这是一种方式 |
| 750 | Communicating across distances that are impossible to communicate physically over we can cross continents | 跨越距离交流 无法在大陆上进行交流 |
| 751 | We can cross generations we can pass that message on saying I made this I was here long after our own death | 我们可以跨越几代人 我们可以传递这个信息 说,我做了这个,我在这里 我们自己的死很久了。 |
| 752 | this is one of the reasons I think that | 这也是我认为 |
| 753 | Instinctively human beings are pulled towards the concept of making art because as | 直截了当地说,人类被引向创造艺术的概念,因为 |
| 754 | It and we have evolved | 它和我们进化 |
| 755 | It has become a business because almost everything that we are interested in eventually becomes a business | 它已经成为一个企业,因为几乎一切 我们感兴趣的最终成为一个企业 |
| 756 | It has become a dialogue | 它已经成为对话 |
| 757 | Between the artist and the audience | 在艺术家和观众之间 |
| 758 | It has eventually become monetized tools have evolved to help us be better at it to help us new do new things with it | 它最终变成了货币化的工具 帮助我们更好地利用它 帮助我们做新的事情 |
| 759 | um ai has become one of those tools, but I think that we need to make a distinction here between | 嗯,ai已经成为其中的一种工具, 但我认为我们需要在这里区分 |
| 760 | A tool that keeps the artist in power | 一个让艺术家掌握权力的工具 |
| 761 | keeps the artist in control of the creative process | 让艺术家控制创作过程 |
| 762 | And generative ai which is something quite quite different something which has become | 而遗传性爱是相当不同的东西 已经变成了 |
| 763 | I think a tool of oppression because there's a great deal of magical thinking that surrounds art | 我认为一个压迫的工具 因为有很多神奇的想法 围绕艺术 |
| 764 | Partly because people who don't make art don't understand where it comes from. | 部分是因为不制作艺术的人不了解其来源. |
| 765 | They see the finished product | 他们看到成品了 |
| 766 | They don't see the thousands of hours | 他们看不到几千小时 |
| 767 | Or the sweat or the blood or the suffering that sometimes goes into its making they see the product and they think | 或汗水、血液或痛苦 有时进入它 让他们看到产品 他们认为 |
| 768 | How could somebody have made this how could I make this perhaps? | 怎么会有人做这个呢? |
| 769 | By bypassing | 通过绕过 |
| 770 | Those stages of process the suffering the blood the sweat the time the ability the practice perhaps | 这些过程的阶段 血液的痛苦 汗水 时间 练习的能力也许 |
| 771 | by some magical | 被一些神奇的东西 |
| 772 | Process I could do that myself | 过程我可以自己做 |
| 773 | And I think ai is | 我觉得是 |
| 774 | To some extent at least generative ai a product of that kind of magical thinking | 某种程度上至少是遗传性的 某种神奇思维的产物 |
| 775 | because ai of course is neither | 因为当然不是 |
| 776 | Intelligent nor any kind of ordinary tool | 智能或任何普通工具 |
| 777 | It's not a magic box where all you need is the right kind of prompt | 这不是魔盒,你需要的只是及时 |
| 778 | To bring out a finished product | 把成品拿出来 |
| 779 | We know what kind of product ai is capable of producing at the moment. | 我们知道目前Ai能生产什么样的产品。 |
| 780 | We've all seen them. | 我们都见过他们。 |
| 781 | We've all seen those idiotic | 我们都见过这些白痴 |
| 782 | fruit-headed cartoons on twitter | 在推特上, |
| 783 | We have seen the pictures of trump pretending to be jesus | 我们见过假扮耶穌的王牌照片 |
| 784 | We have read the hundreds of terrible ai generated fantasy novels that have been uploaded | 我们读了上传的 数百部恐怖的Ai 创作的幻想小说 |
| 785 | onto amazon | 在阿马松 |
| 786 | which have been | 已经是 |
| 787 | Fed up into the amazon ratings because other ai's have been trained to read them and make it look as if people are | 加入到阿马松的收视率中 因为其他的AI已经接受了阅读的训练 并让它看起来像人们是 |
| 788 | Interested in reading them. | 有兴趣阅读它们。 |
| 789 | We know that the quality of these things is mediocre | 我们知道这些东西的质量是平庸的 |
| 790 | We also know that ai's have become better | 我们也知道Ai的病已经好了 |
| 791 | Over the years that they are now doing things that five years ago were unprecedented things | 多年来,他们正在做的事情 五年前是前所未有的事情 |
| 792 | But we also know why | 但我们也知道为什么 |
| 793 | Because the magic box is empty unless we put something in there | 因为魔盒是空的 除非我们把东西放进去 |
| 794 | And what we have been putting in there largely or at least what the tech companies have been putting in there | 而我们放在那里的东西 大部分或至少 技术公司放在那里 |
| 795 | is the work of actual human artists those people | 是人类艺术家的作品 |
| 796 | who | 谁 |
| 797 | worked | 工作过 |
| 798 | and suffered | 受苦受难 |
| 799 | And created and tried to create a dialogue with the world | 创造并尝试与世界对话 |
| 800 | Many many large language models are trained | 许多大型语言模型都接受了培训 |
| 801 | Without the consent of those people on their work and we can see the result of this | 没有这些人的同意 他们的工作,我们可以看到的结果 |
| 802 | the recent anthropic settlement that has allowed | 最近人类定居点允许 |
| 803 | authors to | 作者为 |
| 804 | Ask for money back from anthropic where their work has been taken and used without permission shows that we can | 向慈善机构索要钱 证明我们能做到 |
| 805 | We can fight this but it's a very difficult battle | 我们能打这场仗,但这是一场非常艰难的战斗 |
| 806 | Because the tech industries are huge ai seems like a huge monster | 因为科技行业是巨大的AI 看起来像一个巨大的怪物 |
| 807 | But it is no longer any kind of tool for the artist. | 但它不再是艺术家的任何工具。 |
| 808 | It is a tool of oppression | 这是压迫的工具 |
| 809 | It is a tool of control and yes, it is killing the artist in a number of ways | 这是一个控制的工具 是的,它正在杀死艺术家 在许多方面 |
| 810 | i'm glad that somebody from the floor mentioned the accelerated heat death of the planet because | 我很高兴有人从地板上提到 地球的加速热死亡,因为 |
| 811 | Ultimately, if we take it absolutely at face value, it is killing us all an awful lot faster | 归根结底,如果我们把它 绝对的表面价值, 它正在杀死我们所有人 可怕的更快 |
| 812 | But it's also killing the artist in much more prosaic ways | 但它也以更专业的方式杀死了艺术家 |
| 813 | It is killing them professionally | 是职业杀手 |
| 814 | Now art is not just a few | 现在艺术不只是几个 |
| 815 | memorable great dead figures | 难忘的死亡人物 |
| 816 | It is a whole ecosystem | 这是整个生态系统 |
| 817 | And in much the same way that artificial lawns kill not only the real grass underneath it | 人造草坪杀死的 不仅仅是它下面的真草 |
| 818 | But also the entire ecosystem around it the insects the worms the animals | 昆虫和虫子 动物 |
| 819 | Shreds its micro plastics and poisons the ground ai is doing this to the | 切碎其微塑料 毒害地面AI正在这样做 |
| 820 | creative industries | 创意产业 |
| 821 | When I was chair of the soa I was constantly hearing stories about people who had already lost their jobs to ai | 当我担任豆瓣主席时,我不断听到一些关于 已经失业的人的故事 |
| 822 | Not just writers because some writers are lucky enough to have a profile which makes them difficult to replace | 不只是作家,因为有些作家很幸运 拥有一个形象 使他们很难取代 |
| 823 | I'm, not saying that that won't happen because it could in future but for the moment | 我不是说这不会发生 因为它可能在未来,但目前 |
| 824 | Literary fiction is reasonably safe | 文学小说很安全 |
| 825 | And I recently went to an event at the rsl where a celebrated author said well | 我最近参加了在rsl的一次活动 一个著名的作者说得好 |
| 826 | We are safe because we write quality work | 我们是安全的,因为我们写了高质量的工作 |
| 827 | Because we write quality work | 因为我们写高质量的工作 |
| 828 | The only people who will be impacted by this are people who ultimately are more or less | 唯一会受此影响的人 是最终或多或少的人 |
| 829 | replaceable. | 可替换。 |
| 830 | But if we look at the whole ecosystem and the intersectionality of what art really means, | 但是,如果我们看看整个生态系统 和交叉性 什么是艺术的真正意义, |
| 831 | we don't have an isolated existence outside of it. | 我们这里没有孤立的存在 |
| 832 | We are the product of editors, copy editors, translators, audio book narrators, book jacket | 我们是编辑、复制编辑、翻译、 音频书旁白、书夹克的产物 |
| 833 | designers. | 设计师 |
| 834 | The people who are interested in graphic novels and comics will know that an awful lot of | 对平面小说和漫画感兴趣的人 会知道很多 |
| 835 | colorists have lost their jobs via AI. | 色彩主义者通过AI失去了工作. |
| 836 | The result is not better. | 结果并不更好。 |
| 837 | The result is getting increasingly mediocre because the way AI works, it's not an intelligence. | 结果越来越平庸,因为AI的操作方式,不是一个智能. |
| 838 | It's not a creative impulse. | 这不是一种创造性的冲动。 |
| 839 | It is merely a machine that takes work, reduces it to a kind of homogenized substance in much | 它只是一台机器,它需要工作, 将它简化为一种同质物质 在很多方面 |
| 840 | the same way that meat reclamation machines will take the bits of the carcass of a cow, | 和肉类改良机一样 也会把牛的尸骨切成碎片 |
| 841 | the lips, the assholes, the bits of meat that have been reclaimed and then make them into | 嘴唇,混蛋, 已经回收的肉片,然后做成 |
| 842 | a homogenized pink slop and then sell them to the public as sausages and pretend that | 一个同质的粉红色斜坡 然后卖给公众 作为香肠 并假装 |
| 843 | that is valid food. | 这是有效的食物。 |
| 844 | In very similar ways, AI will then take work from real people who have worked to create | 以非常相似的方式,AI会从曾经创作过作品的真人手中拿走作品. |
| 845 | something individual, something that speaks, that feels, that makes other people feel and | 个人的东西, 说话的东西, 感觉,让别人感觉和 |
| 846 | have made it into something controllable, predictable because really we are talking | 让它成为可以控制 可预测的东西 因为我们真的在谈论 |
| 847 | about a souped up predictive algorithm that tells you what you want to hear, tells you | 关于一个模拟算法 告诉你你想听的 |
| 848 | the most likely sequence of pieces of code and will sometimes create something that is | 极有可能的代码序列 有时会创造一些 |
| 849 | almost but not quite like art. | 几乎但不完全像艺术。 |
| 850 | And it is killing the diversity that we have, that we enjoy in terms of producing art, | 它正在扼杀我们的多样性, 我们享受的艺术, |
| 851 | diversity, unique original voices because homogenized art will not have that. | 多样性,独特的原声 因为同质化的艺术不会有。 |
| 852 | And most of large language models are trained on the voices of white men because they are | 大部分大语言模型都是通过白人的声音来训练的,因为他们是 |
| 853 | the ones on whom the model was trained. | 被训练的模特 |
| 854 | So diversity is going, originality is going. | 所以多样性正在发展, 独创性正在发展。 |
| 855 | Even the neuroplasticity that we take for granted is being eroded by access to AI material | 连我们视为理所当然的神经弹性 也因人工智能材料的获取而受到侵蚀 |
| 856 | because eventually if you don't use it, you lose it. | 因为最终如果你不使用它, 你失去了它。 |
| 857 | And so that this doesn't happen, please use your brains, your human originality, your | 为了不发生这种事 请用你的大脑 人类的原创性 |
| 858 | unique individual voices because otherwise I'm afraid AI will kill the artist and all | 独具一格的声音 否则我怕AI会杀死艺术家 |
| 859 | we will have left is lips and arseholes. | 我们左边是嘴唇和屁眼 |
| 860 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 861 | Thank you, Joanne, for that fine speech. | 谢谢你,乔安妮, 精彩的演讲。 |
| 862 | And closing the night out in opposition, we have Ben Robinson. | 和关闭的夜晚 在反对,我们有本罗宾逊。 |
| 863 | Ben is an AI policy researcher currently undertaking an MPhil in Cambridge. | 本是一位AI政策研究员,目前在剑桥从事MPhil业务. |
| 864 | He was previously an AI policy manager at the Center for Long-Term Resilience, a think | 他以前是长期复原力中心的AI政策经理,一个想法 |
| 865 | tank aiming to transform societal resilience to extreme risks. | 旨在将社会复原力转化为极端风险的坦克。 |
| 866 | Before this, he was at Deloitte in their trustworthy AI and climate risk teams and the ethics | 在此之前,他一直在德勤公司工作 他们值得信赖的AI和气候风险团队和道德 |
| 867 | center. | 中间。 |
| 868 | Ben, you have the ears of the house. | 本,你有房子的耳朵。 |
| 869 | Plato thought writing would kill memory. | 柏拉图认为写作会杀死记忆. |
| 870 | Trains were thought to be too fast for souls. | 火车对灵魂来说太快了 |
| 871 | Phones would destroy personal communication. | 电话会破坏个人通讯 |
| 872 | We've heard many of these examples tonight. | 我们今晚听过很多这样的例子。 |
| 873 | But throughout history, there have been many alarmists and often completely wrong claims | 但在整个历史中, 有许多惊慌失措的人, 并且常常完全错误的说法 |
| 874 | about how new technologies will affect humanity. | 新技术将如何影响人类。 |
| 875 | Despite AI's current power and how powerful it will likely get in the near future, the | 尽管AI目前的力量以及它在最近的将来会有多强大, |
| 876 | idea that it could extinguish something as fundamental as the human desire to make art | 认为它能消灭 与人类创造艺术的愿望一样根本的东西 |
| 877 | is completely implausible. | 这是完全不可信的。 |
| 878 | I think tonight we actually agree on a lot of stuff. | 我认为今晚我们实际上 同意了很多的东西。 |
| 879 | There's been a lot of criticism against AI. | 对AI的批评很多. |
| 880 | One approach for our side could be to argue that AI will enable and enhance human creativity | 我们方面的一种做法是主张大赦国际将促进和增强人类的创造力。 |
| 881 | and art making. | 和艺术制作。 |
| 882 | I'm not sure if anyone really believes that. | 我不知道是否有人真的相信这一点。 |
| 883 | There are some people who think that if superhuman AI, if it indeed reaches these levels, we'll | 有些人认为,如果超人AI, 如果它真的达到这些水平,我们会 |
| 884 | be able to understand our preferences and desires and coach us into becoming artists. | 能够理解我们的喜好和欲望 指导我们成为艺术家 |
| 885 | Maybe your football-loving Uncle Rodney might become a Picasso with the right support. | 也许你喜欢足球的罗德尼叔叔 可能会成为毕加索 并有正确的支持。 |
| 886 | I'm not sure that anyone here believes that. | 我不确定这里有没有人相信 |
| 887 | But tonight, I'm going to take a slightly narrower approach and think about what the | 但今晚,我要采取一个 稍稍狭窄的方法 并思考什么 |
| 888 | motion is actually saying. | 运动其实是说。 |
| 889 | The key term here is kill, which just means to extinguish with no possibility of recovery. | 这里的关键术语是杀戮,这仅仅意味着消灭而不可能恢复. |
| 890 | And I'm very sympathetic to all the environmental socioeconomic arguments that have been made. | 我非常同情所有的环境社会经济论点。 |
| 891 | But taking the motion on its own terms, we have to understand what it is saying when we | 但按自己的条件行事 我们必须理解它所说的 |
| 892 | say that the worst-case scenario of AI development is that it kills the artist. | 说AI开发最糟糕的情景是它杀死了艺术家. |
| 893 | So what's the best case for this proposition view? | 那么,这个提议观点的最佳理由是什么? |
| 894 | Is there something so inherently damaging about AI that it could permanently extinguish | AI有内在的伤害 以至于可以永久消灭 |
| 895 | the human capacity to create? | 人类创造能力? |
| 896 | Artistry, as we discussed, is defined by process, not just output. | 正如我们所讨论的那样,艺术家是按过程确定的,而不仅仅是产出。 |
| 897 | It's something internal to humans. | 这是人类内部的东西。 |
| 898 | Could AI kill this process? | AI会杀死这个过程吗? |
| 899 | AI safety is the field that thinks about these worst-case scenarios. | AI安全是考虑这些最坏情况的领域. |
| 900 | Two of the most common are rogue AI and gradual disempowerment. | 最常见的两个是无赖AI和逐渐丧失权力. |
| 901 | People are rightly skeptical of some of these scenarios, but rogue AI is the idea that AI | 人们有理由怀疑这些假想, |
| 902 | might end up being misaligned with human values, potentially wiping us all out in the quest | 可能最终与人类价值观错位 有可能在追求中把我们全部消灭 |
| 903 | for self-preservation. | 自我保护 |
| 904 | Unfortunately for our side, yes, this would mean it would kill the artist. | 不幸的是,对我们来说,是的, 这意味着它会杀死艺术家。 |
| 905 | We'd all be dead. | 我们都死了 |
| 906 | Putting that aside, the second scenario is gradual disempowerment. | 除此以外,第二种情况是逐渐丧失权力。 |
| 907 | We've heard a bit of this tonight. | 我们今晚听到过这个 |
| 908 | It's the idea that as AI systems become increasingly capable, humans and institutions will | 随着人工智能系统的能力不断增强 人类和机构将会 |
| 909 | come to rely on them in ways that progressively erode human autonomy and decision-making, | 以逐渐侵蚀人类自主和决策的方式依赖它们, |
| 910 | leading to a scenario where across the economy, law, culture, and the arts, | 导致经济、法律、文化、艺术 |
| 911 | AI is progressively in control. | 大赦国际正在逐步得到控制。 |
| 912 | So I think that gradual disempowerment is actually the most compelling argument for | 因此,我认为逐渐丧失权力实际上是最有说服力的论点。 |
| 913 | the proposition side tonight. | 今晚的提议方面。 |
| 914 | It describes this slow-moving but potentially insidious effects of powerful AI on human | 它描述了强大的AI对人类的这种缓慢移动但潜在的阴险影响。 |
| 915 | autonomy, receptivity, and judgment, the capacities that art-making requires. | 自主性,接受性和判断性,艺术创作所需要的能力. |
| 916 | We're already seeing lots of these disempowering effects of current AI systems. | 我们已经看到很多这些 削弱当前AI系统能力的效果。 |
| 917 | When we rely on it to write essays and code, come up with ideas, and use it in our relationships | 当我们依靠它来写作文和代码, 提出想法, 并用在我们的关系上 |
| 918 | or for political advice, we're likely losing something in the process. | 或为了政治建议, 我们可能在这个过程中失去一些东西。 |
| 919 | Research is evolving, but it appears that these capacities are very hard to obtain and | 研究正在演变,但这些能力似乎很难获得,而且 |
| 920 | easy to lose. | 很容易输 |
| 921 | By avoiding sitting in the discomfort of not knowing and instead reaching for that alien | 通过避免坐在不愉快的 不知不觉中 反而接近这个外国人 |
| 922 | intelligence in our pocket that is becoming more powerful day by day, we could be heading | 情报在我们的口袋 越来越强大 一天一天,我们可能会去 |
| 923 | towards a world not where AI wipes us out, where we become so deeply entangled and dependent | 走向一个没有AI消灭我们的世界 我们变得如此纠缠和依赖 |
| 924 | on it that even these capacities are permanently severed. | 连这些能力都被永久切断。 |
| 925 | We become slaves to the machine, potentially without even knowing. | 我们成为机器的奴隶,可能甚至不知道。 |
| 926 | Sounds dystopic, I know, but would Shakespeare have used Claude to write Hamlet? | 但莎士比亚会用克劳德写哈姆雷特吗? |
| 927 | Would George O'Keefe have used Dolly to create Summer Days? | 乔治·奥基夫会利用多利创造夏日吗? |
| 928 | Pitbul, as Mr. Worldwide, 会用ChatGPT 来做他的杰作吗,酒店房间服务? | |
| 929 | Art-making requires a first-person engagement with the world and sensitivity, engagement | 艺术创作需要第一人称与世界的接触和敏感,参与 |
| 930 | that may not persist if all our interactions are AI-mediated. | 如果我们的所有互动都是由人工智能调解的,那么这种互动就不会持续下去。 |
| 931 | It's like there's a veil slowly growing between us and our experience of the world, and this | 就像我们和世界经验之间 慢慢长出了一道面纱 |
| 932 | veil grows thicker and more powerful, with improving model capabilities and increasing | 面纱越厚越强大,模型能力不断提高 |
| 933 | temptation to defer judgement our dependency, atrophy and homogenisation might follow. | 我们的依赖、萎缩和同质化可能随之而来。 |
| 934 | There is reason to worry, but we can push back. | 有理由担心,但我们可以推后。 |
| 935 | So coming back to the motion, AI will kill the artist. | 因此回到动议,AI会杀死艺术家. |
| 936 | The proposition would need to establish that even in this extreme scenario, which I take | 这个提议需要确定,即使在这种极端的情况下,我认为 |
| 937 | to be the most convincing for their argument, the human capacity for art-making will be | 人类创造艺术的能力 |
| 938 | permanently and irrevocably severed. | 永久和不可撤销的断绝。 |
| 939 | I think this is implausible for at least three reasons. | 我认为这不可信至少有三个原因。 |
| 940 | First, as we've heard tonight, AI art is really bad. | 首先,正如我们今晚听到的,AI艺术真的很糟糕。 |
| 941 | OpenAI刚刚退役了 AI的视频生成平台 Sora forme | |
| 942 | to falling demand, and even if models get much more powerful, it's not clear that humans | 即使模型变得更强大 人类也不清楚 |
| 943 | are ever going to prefer AI over human art. | 将永远喜欢AI 而不是人类艺术。 |
| 944 | The gradual disempowerment thesis is underpinned. | 逐渐丧失权力的论文得到了支持。 |
| 945 | You cannot say AI art is really bad. | 你不能说人工智能艺术真的很坏。 |
| 946 | I hate it as much as the next person. | 我和下一个人一样讨厌 |
| 947 | It is slob. | 简直是滑稽 |
| 948 | It is awful in those terms, but it has won art competitions. | 在那些方面是可怕的,但它赢得了艺术比赛。 |
| 949 | It has topped the charts. | 它已经超过了图表。 |
| 950 | If you played an AI song from today to someone three years ago or showed them an AI image, | 如果你在三年前 给别人放一首AI的歌 或者给他们看一个AI的形象 |
| 951 | they would just be dumbfounded by what it can do. | 他们只会因为它能做什么而失去理智 |
| 952 | It's astonishing what it can do. | 其能所为令人惊异. |
| 953 | So we must not rest on this mistaken idea that AI is bad. | 因此,我们决不能对AI是坏的这个错误想法有所顾忌。 |
| 954 | It is not. | 事实并非如此。 |
| 955 | It is bad for other reasons, but it is not qualitatively bad. | 由于其他原因,情况不妙,但质量并不坏。 |
| 956 | I agree. | и種 |
| 957 | And I think as I'll get to now, the point of artists is to push back on this notion. | 我认为,现在我要做的是, 艺术家们的重心是推倒这个概念。 |
| 958 | So my argument doesn't rest on the fact that AI is bad currently. | 因此,我的论点并不依赖于AI是坏的目前的事实. |
| 959 | It rests on this idea that even if AI gets really good, we're still going to prefer human | 它基于这个想法,即使AI得到真正的好, 我们还会更喜欢人类 |
| 960 | art in some capacity. | 艺术以某种身份。 |
| 961 | So it's incumbent on us to define why that is the case and to continue to prefer it. | 因此,我们有责任确定为什么这样,并继续倾向于这样。 |
| 962 | So the gradual disempowerment thesis is underpinned by this idea that economic incentives would | 因此,逐渐丧失权力的理论基于这种观点,即经济激励将 |
| 963 | drive AI adoption or drive AI art making. | 驱动AI的收养或驱动AI的艺术制作. |
| 964 | But the pressures might actually push the opposite way. | 但压力可能相反。 |
| 965 | So maybe we'll come to value human art even more, encouraging humans to develop and refine | 所以也许我们会更加珍视人类的艺术 鼓励人类发展和精炼 |
| 966 | their artistic skill, potentially in even pure and less digitally mediated environments | 他们的艺术技巧,在甚至纯洁和较少数字化的调解环境中 |
| 967 | than today. | 比今天还要好 |
| 968 | AI backlash is growing, including AI art, and we can take inspiration from past technological | AI的反弹越来越大,包括AI的艺术, 我们可以从过去的科技中得到灵感 |
| 969 | examples, like pottery or even coffee making, to expect that humans will continue to choose | 譬如陶器,甚至咖啡的制作 期望人类继续选择 |
| 970 | human craft over automation. | 人类的手艺超越了自动化 |
| 971 | So second, even if AI art becomes widely popular and some aspects of disempowerment are taking | 因此,第二,即使AI艺术 变得广泛流行 和一些方面 失去权力 |
| 972 | place, with humans losing their artistic skill, there will nearly always be the possibility | 在那里,随着人类失去艺术技能,几乎总是有可能 |
| 973 | for humans, and especially artists, to detach themselves from society. | 让人类,特别是艺术家 脱离社会 |
| 974 | One form of this could look like collectively organising resistance and creating small communities. | 其中一种形式可能看起来像是集体组织抵抗和建立小社区。 |
| 975 | Maybe your Uncle Rodney, after reigniting his passion for painting, will head to the | 也许你的罗德尼叔叔 在重新燃起对绘画的热情后 将前往 |
| 976 | hills and create an artistic commune. | 丘陵并创建艺术公社. |
| 977 | There will always be the ability to resist and refuse technology, especially for artists | 总会有抵制和拒绝技术的能力, 对艺术家来说尤其如此。 |
| 978 | who may not face the same economic adoption pressures as everyone else. | 他们可能不会像其他人一样面临同样的经济收养压力。 |
| 979 | So the gradual disempowerment thesis falls here too. | 所以逐渐丧失权力的论文也落到这里. |
| 980 | Yeah, I agree with that, and I think the example of Georgia O'Keeffe earlier might support | 是的,我同意这一点,我认为 乔治娅·奥基夫的例子 早些时候可能支持 |
| 981 | that. | 那个 |
| 982 | So I think what I'm saying is that there's always going to be the capacity. | 所以我想说的是 总会有这种能力 |
| 983 | It's like we can always have some people that can go off, and maybe this isn't going to | 好像我们总能有一些人可以离开 也许这不会 |
| 984 | be common across the board, but... | 普遍常见,但... |
| 985 | No back and forth. | 无前后. |
| 986 | Yeah, well, the motion is that it will kill, right? | 是啊,好吧,运动是 它会杀死,对不对? |
| 987 | And so, will it kill? | 所以,它会杀人吗? |
| 988 | I'm saying it won't. | 我说不会的 |
| 989 | So third, more fundamentally to Eva and to these first two points, even in the worst | 所以第三,对伊娃和这前两点来说, 更根本的是,即使最糟糕的是, |
| 990 | cases of de-skilling, where whole communities or societies become myopic sloths detached | 使整个社区或社会失去知觉 |
| 991 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}用人工智能满足我们的所有需要 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}就像电影Wall | |
| 992 | always be the potential to re-learn skills. | 永远是重新学习技能的潜力。 |
| 993 | Touch grass, spend time in nature, unplug from AI, over time these capacities might | 摸草,在自然中度过时间,从人工智能中拔出,随着时间的推移,这些能力可能 |
| 994 | come back, and new generations are likely to be born with this capacity built in. | 新的一代很可能诞生于这种能力。 |
| 995 | Think of toddlers with crowns. | 想想戴着皇冠的小孩 |
| 996 | So even in cases where the human artistic process is severed by AI, and we think we | 因此,即使在人类艺术过程被AI切断的情况下, 我们认为我们 |
| 997 | should be very worried about this, there is no in principle reason why these capacities | 应该非常担心这一点, 原则上没有理由 为何这些能力 |
| 998 | can't be re-learned. | 不能被重新学习。 |
| 999 | So to conclude, I've outlined what I take to be the strongest case for the proposition | 因此,我总结了 我所认为最强的理由 |
| 1000 | side, and showed why even in this extreme scenario of gradual disempowerment does not | 并说明了为什么即使在这种逐渐丧失权力的极端情况下 |
| 1001 | hold. | 别动 |
| 1002 | To be sure, this might seem hypothetical for now, but this type of argument is what's | 当然,这看起来是假设的, 但是这种争论是 |
| 1003 | required for the proposition to convince you tonight, and there is growing evidence this | 为了今晚说服你 需要很多证据 |
| 1004 | type of thing is happening. | 事情正在发生 |
| 1005 | Disempowerment may dull us, but dullness is reversible. | 失去权力可能使我们变得沉闷,但沉闷是可以逆转的。 |
| 1006 | And again, the motion's word is to kill, to extinguish with no possibility of recovery. | 再一次,运动的言语是杀人,灭亡而不可能恢复. |
| 1007 | Given this, the proposition has no case. | 有鉴于此,这个提议没有根据。 |
| 1008 | From pit bull to eye by way, whatever the constraints, humans can and will resist, and | 从坑公牛到眼睛,不管 约束,人类能够并且会抵抗, |
| 1009 | will often be the artists leading the way. | 经常是领头的艺术家 |
| 1010 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 1011 | Thank you, Ben, for that fine speech. | 谢谢你 本 谢谢你的精彩演讲 |
| 1012 | And before we move to voting, I have a quick round of announcements. | 在开始投票之前,我还有一圈快讯 |
| 1013 | Firstly, tomorrow we should be celebrating what I'm sure you'll all agree is one of the | 首先,明天我们应该庆祝 我相信你们都会同意 |
| 1014 | most iconic pieces of art from the North East. | 最具有象征意义的东北艺术作品. |
| 1015 | We will be having our Devil Wears Prada after dark in collaboration with the Cambridge | 天黑后,我们会和剑桥合作 带着恶魔穿普拉达 |
| 1016 | University Charity Fashion Show. | 大学慈善时尚秀. |
| 1017 | Then next week, our events shall be a panel looking at Afghanistan, five years since the | 然后,下周,我们的活动将是一个小组 考察阿富汗,五年后 |
| 1018 | withdrawal, including the Ambassador of Britain at the time that occurred. | 包括当时的英国大使。 |
| 1019 | On Wednesday next week, we are lucky to be joined by the Prime Minister of Sudan. | 下星期三,我们有幸与苏丹总理会合。 |
| 1020 | This is an event which has only been confirmed today and shall be emailed out on Monday and | 这件事今天才得到证实 周一和周一就会发电子邮件 |
| 1021 | released on our socials soon for further details. | 很快,我们的社会发布 以进一步的细节。 |
| 1022 | Next Thursday, we shall be back in this chamber to debate the motion. | 下星期四,我们将回到本会议厅辩论这项动议。 |
| 1023 | This house believes modern LGBTQ plus activism fails its community. | 这所房子相信现代LGBTQ+活动主义会使其社区失败. |
| 1024 | And then finally, next weekend, we shall be back in the chamber again for our annual Eurovision | 最后,下个周末,我们将再次回到会议厅 我们的年度欧洲视觉 |
| 1025 | watch party, where we can watch some highly questionable art. | 观看派对, 我们可以看一些非常可疑的艺术。 |
| 1026 | Now, in this house, we vote with our feet. | 现在,在这个房子里,我们用脚投票。 |
| 1027 | So if you are to the eyes, you go to the right, if you are no to the left, and if you want | 所以,如果你的眼睛,你去右边, 如果你不是左边, 如果你想 |
| 1028 | to abstain, please walk through the middle. | 弃权,请走 通过中间。 |
| 1029 | The floor speech prize this evening and the lucky winner of a revs brunch for two goes | 今晚的会场演讲奖 和幸运的Revs早午餐的赢家 |
| 1030 | to our first abstention speaker over there. | 我们的第一位弃权的发言者在那里。 |
| 1031 | Please come and find me after the debate to claim your prize. | 请在辩论结束后来找我 要求你的奖励 |
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