【英语辩论】本院认为撒切尔夫人解放了无产阶级
字幕摘录
| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:03 | Thank you very much Jack for that warm welcome and especially for keeping the Union such an exciting and fresh place | 非常感谢杰克的热情欢迎 尤其感谢它让工会 如此激动人心和新鲜的地方 |
| 0:10 | During what is a very dark term | 在一个非常黑暗的时期 |
| 0:13 | We are all very grateful for the energy you and your committee put in this term | 我们都非常感谢你和你的委员会在这届任期里投入的精力 |
| 0:16 | So let's give one more round of applause for the Easter term 2026 committee | 让我们为2026年复活节委员会再掌声 |
| 0:30 | Annoyingly leaving some very big shoes to fill behind you, but I'll try my best | 奇怪地留下一些非常大的鞋子 填补你的身后, 但我会尽力的 |
| 0:35 | one quick notice before we start the debate this evening the floor speech prize this evening is a | 我们今晚开始辩论前,马上通知一下 今晚的演讲奖是 |
| 0:41 | Margaret Thatcher book bundle | 玛格丽特 撒切尔书包 |
| 0:47 | Thank you, thank you | 谢谢,谢谢 |
| 0:52 | Same rules apply as usual ladies and gentlemen each speech will give will be 10 minutes long | 每场演讲都要10分钟 |
| 0:58 | On their side of the debate with two rounds of floor speeches in between if you wish to raise a point | 在他们一边的辩论中,有两轮发言 中间,如果你想提出一个观点 |
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| 1 | Thank you very much Jack for that warm welcome and especially for keeping the Union such an exciting and fresh place | 非常感谢杰克的热情欢迎 尤其感谢它让工会 如此激动人心和新鲜的地方 |
| 2 | During what is a very dark term | 在一个非常黑暗的时期 |
| 3 | We are all very grateful for the energy you and your committee put in this term | 我们都非常感谢你和你的委员会在这届任期里投入的精力 |
| 4 | So let's give one more round of applause for the Easter term 2026 committee | 让我们为2026年复活节委员会再掌声 |
| 5 | Annoyingly leaving some very big shoes to fill behind you, but I'll try my best | 奇怪地留下一些非常大的鞋子 填补你的身后, 但我会尽力的 |
| 6 | one quick notice before we start the debate this evening the floor speech prize this evening is a | 我们今晚开始辩论前,马上通知一下 今晚的演讲奖是 |
| 7 | Margaret Thatcher book bundle | 玛格丽特 撒切尔书包 |
| 8 | Thank you, thank you | 谢谢,谢谢 |
| 9 | Same rules apply as usual ladies and gentlemen each speech will give will be 10 minutes long | 每场演讲都要10分钟 |
| 10 | On their side of the debate with two rounds of floor speeches in between if you wish to raise a point | 在他们一边的辩论中,有两轮发言 中间,如果你想提出一个观点 |
| 11 | Please raise your hand saying points of information or on that point | 请举起手来说点信息 或者说点信息 |
| 12 | The speaker will then choose whether to accept your point and no back-and-forth is permitted | 发言者将选择是否接受你的意见,不允许后退。 |
| 13 | Lastly, please do not film tonight. | 最后,请不要拍摄今晚。 |
| 14 | We have trained professionals to do that. | 我们为此训练了专业人员。 |
| 15 | So please just feel free to enjoy the moment | 所以请随便享受一下吧 |
| 16 | Pull that out the way. | 把那个拉出去 |
| 17 | Let us begin the final debate of the year | 让我们开始今年的最后辩论 |
| 18 | Starting us off speaking in proposition of the motion is one Jack Peters | 开始我们讨论动议时 有个杰克・彼得斯 |
| 19 | Jack Peters is the outgoing president of the Cambridge Union in his spare time | 杰克·彼得斯在业余时间是剑桥工会即将卸任的主席 |
| 20 | He studies human social and political sciences at Gonville and Keys College a recovering liberal Democrats | 他在Gonville和Keys学院学习人类社会和政治科学,一个正在恢复的自由民主党人 |
| 21 | He formally chaired the University's Liberal Association Jack Peters you have the years of the house | 他正式担任大学自由协会主席 杰克・彼得斯 你有房子的岁月 |
| 22 | Thank you, mr. President and | 谢谢你,先生。 庭长兼 |
| 23 | Congratulations on taking up that chair now | 恭喜你坐上那张椅子 |
| 24 | I'm sure when many of you opened the term cards and read the words this house believes Margaret Thatcher | 我敢肯定,当你们很多人 打开名词牌,读 字本房子相信 玛格丽特撒切尔 |
| 25 | Liberated the proletariat. | 解放无产阶级. |
| 26 | You must have thought I'd gone mad. | 你一定以为我疯了 |
| 27 | Well, ladies and gentlemen, I can assure you I have not I | 女士们先生们 我可以向你保证 我没有 |
| 28 | Think Margaret Thatcher is actually a very fitting person to discuss in this chamber because Thatcher was a heretic | 认为玛格丽特撒切尔 其实是一个非常合适的人 在这个会议厅讨论 因为撒切尔是一个异教徒 |
| 29 | And this is a society that embraces heresy | 这是一个接受异端的社会 |
| 30 | No idea is too radical too subversive or too offensive to be put for its paces here and rightly so | 没有什么想法太激进,太颠覆性 或太进攻性 不适合它的脚步和正确 |
| 31 | Now contrary to the caricature of the left. | 现在与左派的漫画相反. |
| 32 | Lady Thatcher was not an establishment figure | 女士们 撒切尔不是一个机构人物 |
| 33 | She was far from it | 她离这里很远 |
| 34 | Her embrace of free-market thinking was at the time radical and deeply offensive to an establishment at ease with itself and | 她对自由市场思想的拥抱 在当时是激进的, 并且深深地冒犯了一个机构 轻松地自己和 |
| 35 | At ease of an economic consensus that concentrated power and opportunity in the hands of a predetermined few | 容易达成经济共识,将权力和机会集中在少数人手中。 |
| 36 | Tonight I will argue that in overturning that cozy consensus | 今晚我会争辩 推翻这个舒适的共识 |
| 37 | Margaret Thatcher did indeed liberates the proletariat far more than many of its supposed saviors on the left | 玛格丽特·撒切尔确实解放了无产阶级 远远超过了左翼许多所谓的救世主 |
| 38 | So, what do I actually mean when I talk about liberating the proletariat now in traditional socialist thoughts | 所以,当我谈论解放无产阶级 现在在传统的社会主义思想中 |
| 39 | The proletariat are individuals who own nothing but their labor. | 无产阶级是只拥有劳动的个人. |
| 40 | They're excluded from capital from property from asset ownership | 他们被排除在资产所有权之外 |
| 41 | Liberation isn't about managing that dependency more kindly | 解放不是更温柔的处理依赖 |
| 42 | it is about breaking it and building a high agency society where people actually have a stake of their own and | 它涉及打破它,建立一个高机构社会,在这个社会中,人们实际上有自己的利害关系, |
| 43 | Baked into that division of society is a truth which since Thatcher those of us in the right to frankly become a bit woolly about | 社会分裂是事实 自从撒切尔我们中 有权直言不讳的人 |
| 44 | We're too afraid to seem like the nasty party to articulate and plainly say and it's that equality of outcome is not to liberation | 我们太害怕了 看起来像一个讨厌的政党 无法直言不讳地说,结果的平等不是解放 |
| 45 | It is the very enemy of it | 它是它的敌人 |
| 46 | Liberation isn't the promise that people will not go further than you but the opportunity to go far yourself | 解放不是人们不会比你走得更远的承诺 而是自己走得更远的机会 |
| 47 | It doesn't exist without that precondition upon it | 没有这个先决条件它就不存在 |
| 48 | Now let's look at what social democracy had actually done for Britain by 1979 | 现在让我们来看看 到1979年社会民主对英国做了什么 |
| 49 | There was rampant inflation completely eroding earnings blackouts had forced a free day working week and bodies were literally | 高涨的通货膨胀 完全侵蚀了收入的停电 迫使一个免费的 工作周和身体实际上 |
| 50 | Piling high in Liverpool with gravediggers on strike at the peak of the winter of discontent | 在利物浦高地 与掘墓者罢工 在冬天的高峰 不满 |
| 51 | The editor of the Daily Telegraph at the time had quite an interesting quip for it | 时任"每日电讯报"的编辑 颇为有趣 |
| 52 | He described it as North Korea without the hope | 他形容朝鲜没有希望 |
| 53 | These were hardly the conditions of a prosperous socially mobile society of a liberated and thriving proletariat | 这些都不是一个繁荣的社会流动社会的条件,一个解放的、繁荣的无产阶级社会 |
| 54 | So what did Margaret Thatcher do? | 那么玛格丽特撒切尔做了什么? |
| 55 | Firstly, she tackled the crippling power of union bosses and I say bosses deliberately because by the | 首先 她解决了工会老板的破坏力 我说老板是故意的 因为... |
| 56 | 1970s the trade union movement did more to trap workers than liberates them members could be called out on strike without a proper secret | 20世纪70年代 工会运动更能困住工人 更能解放他们的会员 |
| 57 | Ballot industries that needed to modernize were held back by veto after veto and it was consumers | 需要实现现代化的选票业在否决权之后被否决,这是消费者 |
| 58 | most of whom were working-class people who paid the price for it and those were lower higher prices lower quality goods worse services and | 其中大多数是工人阶级的人,他们为此付出了代价,而那些价格更低,质量更低的货物更差的服务, |
| 59 | Thatcher's reforms of unions challenged this they required proper ballots before strikes | 撒切尔的工会改革 质疑这一点 他们需要适当的选票 在罢工前 |
| 60 | They curved secondary picketing unions were actually made more democratic. | 他们弯曲的次级纠察工会实际上变得更加民主。 |
| 61 | They were made more accountable to their members | 他们对其成员更加负责 |
| 62 | it gave workers power within them unions and | 它赋予工人在工会中的权力, |
| 63 | No longer would people be conscripted into industrial warfare that they did not want to be engaging in | 不再有人被征召参加他们不想参加的工业战争 |
| 64 | Absurd scenarios such as in Nottinghamshire where 70% of miners voted against striking yet | 在诺丁汉郡,70%的矿工投票反对罢工 |
| 65 | There came a major target for flying pickets just would no longer happen. | 飞行纠察队的主要目标已经不存在了 |
| 66 | And that is completely rightfully | 这完全正确 |
| 67 | So so this brings me to the common left-wing critique that Thatcher destroyed northern working-class communities | 所以这让我想到左翼的批评 撒切尔摧毁了北方工人阶级社区 |
| 68 | She did not those industries were destroyed by global competition bad management and | 她并没有因为全球竞争而破坏这些行业 |
| 69 | Unions to hostile to the frontier technological changes which were needed to keep them competitive | 对前沿技术变革怀有敌意的联盟,这些变革是保持其竞争力所必需的。 |
| 70 | What Thatcher did was to stop asking other working-class people to subsidize that uncompetitiveness | 撒切尔所做的是停止要求其他工人阶级的人 补贴这种无竞争力 |
| 71 | indefinitely and I would challenge everyone opposing this motion to say when you'd have stopped another billion another decade | 永远,我会挑战所有反对这个动议的人 说当你又停止了十亿 |
| 72 | Liberation does not happening happen by subsidizing decline forever and ever and ever | 解放不会通过永远和永远的补贴衰退而发生 |
| 73 | Real cruelty lies in dishonesty and selling people a romantic vision rather than embracing the opportunities | 真正的残酷在于不诚实和 向人们兜售浪漫的视野而不是拥抱机会 |
| 74 | innovation | 创新 |
| 75 | Secondly, she spread ownership by 1990 nearly one in four adults | 第二,到1990年时,她几乎每四个成年人中就有一人拥有所有权。 |
| 76 | That's well over 10 million people own shares right to buy transformed home ownership allowing council tenants to buy their own houses | 超过1000万人拥有股份 有权购买被改造的房屋 允许议会租户购买自己的房屋 |
| 77 | turning state dependents into asset holders and | 将国有受扶养人转变为资产持有者 |
| 78 | Privatization contrary to the popular image of it was a vehicle for worker ownership | 与大众形象相反的私有化是工人所有权的工具 |
| 79 | But British aerospace 89% of eligible employees bought shares at BT that figure was at 96% and at British Gas | 但英国航空航天公司89%的合格员工 在BT购买股票 这个数字是96% 在英国天然气公司 |
| 80 | It was 99% giving working people the security and opportunity that follows sure | 百分之九十九给劳动人民带来安全和机会 |
| 81 | The problems of these industries is not the problem of privatization | 这些产业的问题不是私有化问题 |
| 82 | It is the problem of bad management | 是管理不善的问题 |
| 83 | It is a not actually tackling many of the structural ills and I challenge you to say and look at these industries today | 这实际上不是解决许多结构性问题 我挑战你今天说,看看这些行业 |
| 84 | And tell me that they would be performing better than if they were privatized the issues that exist are not those of privatization | 告诉我,如果他们被私有化,他们的表现会好一些 现存的问题不是私有化的问题 |
| 85 | And | 还有 |
| 86 | Now thirdly Margaret Thatcher conquered inflation this matters because inflation isn't some abstract | 第三,玛格丽特·撒切尔征服了通货膨胀 这很重要 因为通货膨胀不是抽象的 |
| 87 | According your concept or economic concern, but only matters for economists | 根据你的概念或经济关切, 但只对经济学家很重要 |
| 88 | It destroys working people's wages and savings when Thatcher famously | 当撒切尔出名的时候,它会毁掉工人的工资和储蓄 |
| 89 | Recited the prayer of st. Francis of Assisi on the steps of Downing Street | 在唐宁街的台阶上 重燃了阿西西圣弗朗西斯的祈祷 |
| 90 | Inflation was running at thirteen point four percent by the end of her first term this had dropped to below five | 在她第一个任期结束时,通货膨胀率为13.0%,降至5%以下。 |
| 91 | Prices were no longer race racing ahead of wages | 价格不再比工资高 |
| 92 | Incentivizing working people to go and save to invest more building the foundations of prosperity sure | 鼓励劳动人民去储蓄,为繁荣打下更多基础 |
| 93 | The reality of what happened with unemployment and the reality of what happened in the north is what I articulated before there was a choice | 失业的实际情况和北部的实际情况是我在做出选择之前所阐明的 |
| 94 | Government face it could keep subsidizing and subsidizing and subsidizing ignoring the Britain's comparative advantage didn't lie in heavy industry | 政府可以继续补贴、补贴和补贴 无视英国的比较优势 而不是重工业 |
| 95 | What she did is she enabled our economy to nimbly moved where our comparative advantage actually lied and in doing that | 她做的是,她让我们的经济 轻而易举地移动了 我们的比较优势 骗了,在这样做 |
| 96 | So she created economic opportunity and prosperity and a prosperity that meant that people right at the very bottom of the ladder | 所以她创造了经济机会和繁荣 以及繁荣 意味着人们站在梯子的最底层 |
| 97 | Were better off that is that what all the facts show you look at the number of people for example | 比方说,所有事实都表明,你看看人数 |
| 98 | You look at the size of them disposable incomes. | 你看他们可支配收入的大小。 |
| 99 | It increased by over 30 percent under Margaret Thatcher | 在玛格丽特·撒切尔治下增加了30%以上 |
| 100 | So these are not people. | 所以这些人不是人。 |
| 101 | Yes. | 对 |
| 102 | There was a significant change happened. | 发生了重大变化。 |
| 103 | It was a hard change | 这是一个艰难的变化 |
| 104 | It was a change that did have a significant impact that the choice that Margaret Thatcher faced | 玛格丽特·撒切尔面对的抉择确实产生了重大影响 |
| 105 | That was you can't change the tide of history | 你无法改变历史潮流 |
| 106 | You can't change the economic forces that drove what was happening that Britain was uncompetitive | 你不能改变经济力量 驱动正在发生的 英国是无竞争力的 |
| 107 | You have to attack the underlying conditions of uncompetitiveness rather than subsidize your way out of it | 你不得不攻击无竞争力的内在条件 而不是补贴你的出路 |
| 108 | No, thank you. | 不 谢谢 |
| 109 | And now to return to inflation | 现在又回到通货膨胀 |
| 110 | What this meant is essentially that the foundations of future prosperity could exist that people were not seeing their wages eaten up by ever | 这意味着 未来繁荣的基础可能存在 人们从未看到工资被消耗 |
| 111 | Increasing inflation and the result of this was a growing economy and that is the great genius of capitalism | 不断上升的通货膨胀和结果 是一个不断增长的经济 这是资本主义的大天才 |
| 112 | It takes self-interest and it turns it outwards if you give people economic agency their desire to improve their own lives becomes the engine of wider | 它需要自身利益,如果你给人们经济代理 他们改善自己生活的愿望 成为更广泛的动力 |
| 113 | Prosperity we see more enterprise more innovation and ultimately more growth | 繁荣,我们看到更多的企业 更多的创新,最终更多的增长 |
| 114 | Of course the gains of that were not equally distributed, but those at the top did gain more | 当然,这些收益分配不均,但最高层却得到更多 |
| 115 | I'm not going to sit here and deny that but a quality of outcome is not the test | 我不会坐在这里否认 但结果的质量不是考验 |
| 116 | It's whether working people in this country were better off and as I've said working | 这个国家的工人是否更好 正如我所说 |
| 117 | Working people's real disposable house comes up by 30% | 劳动人民实际可支配住房增加30% |
| 118 | You had over 10 million more shareholders in this country Britain was no longer the sick man of Europe | 英国不再是欧洲的病人了 |
| 119 | And perhaps the final irony with Thatcher is this who got rid of Margaret Thatcher | 也许撒切尔最后的讽刺是 他摆脱了玛格丽特撒切尔 |
| 120 | It wasn't the working people of this country who delivered her free election victories in a row | 不是这个国家的劳动人民 连续地给她带来了自由选举胜利 |
| 121 | It wasn't the council tenants who bought their own homes. | 不是议会的租户自己买的 |
| 122 | It wasn't the workers who bought the shares | 买股票的不是工人 |
| 123 | It wasn't the millions who saw in her politics a more prosperous and independent future | 不是数百万人在她的政治中看到一个更加繁荣独立的未来 |
| 124 | She was brought down by cabinet grandees by Tory tofs by the establishment who she spent her whole career offending | 她被阁员大公 托里·托夫斯带下来 她的整个职业生涯都犯了罪 |
| 125 | No, thank you | 不,谢谢 |
| 126 | It近. | |
| 127 | I want to bring it back to today | 我想把它带回今天 |
| 128 | Because I chose this motion well before the Makerfield by-election was called slash stitched up | 因为我在马克菲尔德补选之前就选择了这个动议 叫做"缝合" |
| 129 | And as we debate the great lady tonight voters in Makerfield are at the polls as we speak | 而当我们辩论 伟大的女士今晚 在马克菲尔德的选民 在投票 因为我们说话 |
| 130 | Deciding whether or not to send Andy Burnham back into Westminster a man whose pitch is in large part reversing Margaret Thatcher's legacy | 决定是否把安迪·伯纳姆 送回威斯敏斯特 一个人的投球率很大程度上逆转了玛格丽特·撒切尔的遗产 |
| 131 | And it's a mistake that was made by many of her predecessors and in many cases her successors | 她的前任和继任者都犯了错误 |
| 132 | We stand on the cusp at the moment of a fourth Industrial Revolution an AI revolution that will ultimately | 我们站在第四次工业革命的十字架上 一场最终会 |
| 133 | transform the economy of this country and the world more profoundly than any of the industrial convulsions of the | 改造这个国家和世界的经济 比任何工业动荡更深刻 |
| 134 | 1970s and the 1980s and the question facing Britain today is the same question Margaret Thatcher faced | 20世纪70年代和80年代 英国今天面临的问题 也是玛格丽特撒切尔面临的 |
| 135 | We meet that change with nostalgia with romanticism with vetoes | 我们怀着浪漫主义和否决的怀旧迎接变革 |
| 136 | Or we will we give working people the tools to own to build to benefit from it | 或者我们给劳动人民 创造工具来从中获益 |
| 137 | I know how Margaret Thatcher answered and it's an answer which significantly improved the lives of working people up and down this country | 我知道玛格丽特·撒切尔是如何回答的 答案大大改善了这个国家上下劳动人民的生活 |
| 138 | And I would urge you to vote in proposition of this motion. | 我敦促你对这一动议进行表决。 |
| 139 | Thank you | 谢谢 |
| 140 | Thank you very much Jack | 谢谢你,杰克 |
| 141 | Now we'll move on to our first speaker in opposition to the motion | 现在请第一位反对动议的发言人发言 |
| 142 | Mark Drakeford served as the First Minister of Wales from 2018 to 2024 between 2000 and 2010 | 马克·德雷克福德于2018年至2024年间在2000年至2010年间担任威尔士第一部长. |
| 143 | Mark works as the health and social policy adviser the Welsh government and was latterly head of the First Minister's political office under Roger Morgan | 马克担任威尔士政府的卫生和社会政策顾问,后来担任罗杰·摩根领导下的第一部长政治办公室主任. |
| 144 | Mark is currently cabinet secretary for finance and Welsh language mark. | 马克目前是财政和威尔士语言标志的内阁秘书. |
| 145 | You have the ears of the house | 你有这房子的耳朵 |
| 146 | Well | 这个嘛 |
| 147 | Thank you very much for such a warm welcome | 非常感谢你的热烈欢迎 |
| 148 | Thank you very much of course to all of you for the opportunity to participate in today's debate | 当然,非常感谢大家给我机会参加今天的辩论 |
| 149 | I begin in the Welsh language just to remind | 我开始用威尔士语来提醒 |
| 150 | Some of those who will support this motion that the United Kingdom is not the monolithic culture of the neoliberal | 一些支持英国不是新自由主义单一文化的动议的人 |
| 151 | imagination and | 想象和 |
| 152 | I'm very happy to tell you that if | 我很高兴地告诉你,如果 |
| 153 | Northern Britain was protected under the arm of mrs. Thatcher that quite certainly did not extend to Wales | 北不列颠被保护 在夫人的手臂。 撒切尔那当然没有延伸到威尔士 |
| 154 | Indeed I struggled during the piano praise that you've just enjoyed to think if there was anything else that I could say to you | 其实我在钢琴的赞美中挣扎着 你只是觉得 如果还有什么我可以告诉你的 |
| 155 | That would add to the luster of mrs. Thatcher's reputation. | 这会增加夫人的欲望。 撒切尔的名声。 |
| 156 | Well, I offer you just this | 好吧,我给你这个 |
| 157 | Margaret Thatcher is the last Prime Minister of the United Kingdom ever to win a gold medal at a nice death | 玛格丽特·撒切尔是英国最后一位以优异的死赢得金牌的首相 |
| 158 | Now, of course, that's familiar territory to many of you mrs. Thatcher won the gold medal for prose speaking at the Grantham | 现在,当然,这是你们中许多人熟悉的领域,夫人。 撒切尔因在格兰瑟姆演讲而获得金牌 |
| 159 | I steadford of | 我放弃了 |
| 160 | 1938 and as far as Wales is concerned it was downhill ever after | 1938年,就威尔士而言,它一直走下坡路 |
| 161 | so mr. President in | 所以,先生. 庭长 |
| 162 | 1976 the United Kingdom was the most equal country on the face of Europe by | 1976年 英国是欧洲最平等的国家 |
| 163 | 1989 it was at the foot of that leak in | 在1989年的漏水现场 |
| 164 | 1976 the share of national income taken by working people was the highest it had been in the post-war period | 1976年,劳动人口在国民收入中所占份额是战后时期最高的。 |
| 165 | in 1989 it was the lowest that it had ever been in those two | 在1989年,这是这两类人中最低的。 |
| 166 | simple but undeniable | 简单但不可否认 |
| 167 | Facts you see the fate of working people under Thatcher ism | 你看撒切尔手下的工人的命运 |
| 168 | now I spent the 1980s working on the Ely estate in the city of Cardiff a | 现在,我花了20世纪80年代 在卡迪夫市的伊利庄园工作 |
| 169 | community of 30,000 people the largest council estate of its sort in Europe at the time I | 30,000人社区 是当时欧洲最大的议会产业 |
| 170 | Spent that dismal decade trying to persuade young people who otherwise were at risk of getting into trouble with the law | 度过了那悲惨的十年 试图说服那些 有可能触犯法律的年轻人 |
| 171 | That if they did the right thing | 如果他们做了正确的事情 |
| 172 | If they went to school if they studied for their exams if they took an opportunity to go on a training course that they could see | 如果她们去上学,如果她们为了考试而学习,如果她们有机会参加他们可以看到的培训课程 |
| 173 | a pathway to the future that they wanted | 他们想要的未来之路 |
| 174 | they didn't believe me and neither I now think or they too because for them the chain of | 他们不相信我 我现在也不这么认为 因为他们的锁链 |
| 175 | attainability between the circumstances in which they lived and the ambitions that they held had been broken broken cynically and | 他们生活的环境与他们所抱抱的野心之间的可实现性被玩世不恭地打破。 |
| 176 | Deliberately by the actions of that Thatcher government and not just in their own lives | 被撒切尔政府的行动蓄意所为 不仅仅是在他们自己的生活中 |
| 177 | But in the lives of the community in which they lived in the society to which they belonged | 但是在他们所生活的社会中 |
| 178 | Because their fathers worked at the start of that decade almost exclusively in the paper mill | 因为他们的父亲在那十年之初 几乎完全在造纸厂工作 |
| 179 | But had for many generations provided employment for men on the Ely estate | 但在伊利庄园里 已经为男人提供了很多代人的工作机会 |
| 180 | It folded and fell | 折叠掉下来 |
| 181 | Under the acts applied by the Thatcher government to | 根据撒切尔政府适用于 |
| 182 | manufacturing industry in the United Kingdom and that's worth | 英国制造业,这值得 |
| 183 | Falling you've just heard | 你刚刚听说的坠落 |
| 184 | Think of the security of today's United Kingdom | 想想今天英国的安全 |
| 185 | Think where that reckless act has taken us in terms of our reliance on | 想想那个鲁莽的行为 把我们从依赖 |
| 186 | manufacturing elsewhere in the world | 制造业 |
| 187 | Those were investments in our future. | 这些是对我们未来的投资。 |
| 188 | They were not subsidies | 不是补贴 |
| 189 | Loaded out to some undeserving poor | 被装到一些没有价值的穷人身上 |
| 190 | They were investments in the security of this country and they are investments which we stand today | 它们是对国家安全的投资 也是我们今天的投资 |
| 191 | deeply in need of | 急需帮助 |
| 192 | Not only do with their fathers liberated from the opportunity to work | 不仅和父亲一起从工作机会中解放出来 |
| 193 | but the | 不过 |
| 194 | Society in which they lived | 他们生活的社会 |
| 195 | Retreated from them in an example of vivid example of mrs. Thatcher withered state | 从他们那里撤走的, 以一个生动的例子 举个例子来证明Mrs. 撒切尔衰竭状态 |
| 196 | The estate on which they lived | 他们居住的庄园 |
| 197 | Had had a gas showroom or an electricity showroom if you needed to buy | 有气室或电室 如果你想买 |
| 198 | Something you could go to the shop and you could look at the goods and you could make an arrangement to pay for them | 你可以去店里看货 你可以安排买东西 |
| 199 | They shut of course under privatization | 当然,他们关闭 在私有化 |
| 200 | the housing office closed | 关闭的住房办公室 |
| 201 | the social services office | 社会服务办公室 |
| 202 | Instead of being able to go and visit and talk to somebody | 而不是去拜访别人和别人说话 |
| 203 | Became a telephone helpline to have office far away in the center of the city the police station | 成为电话求助热线,在市中心远处的警察局设有办公室 |
| 204 | Shut all those touch points that connected the individual citizen with the state around them were withdrawn | 关闭所有连接公民与周围国家的接触点 |
| 205 | From them and not just public services either | 从他们,而不仅仅是公共服务 |
| 206 | By the end of the 1980s every bank on the estate had closed and the one remaining | 到20世纪80年代末 庄园里的每一家银行都关闭了 剩下的一家 |
| 207 | supermarket | 超市 |
| 208 | Was shuttered in every window and if you managed to get yourself through the door | 每一扇窗子都被锁住了 如果你能从门里爬出来 |
| 209 | You found that barbed wire | 你找到铁丝网了 |
| 210 | Had been introduced above you when the Ely riots broke out in | 当伊利暴动爆发时 被介绍给你 |
| 211 | 1990 it was a response to the liberation of the Thatcher | 这是对撒切尔人解放的回应 |
| 212 | decade | 十年 |
| 213 | today | 今日( E) |
| 214 | Those young people that I met in the 1980s 40 years later | 40年后的1980年代我遇到的那些年轻人 |
| 215 | Ambitious young men energetic young men today | 雄伟的年轻人 今天充满活力的年轻人 |
| 216 | They are the angry men of our times | 他们是我们时代的愤怒的人 |
| 217 | For them the legacy of Thatcher ism is vivid in their lives | 对他们来说,撒切尔的遗产是生动的 |
| 218 | They see their children now facing the same liberation from employment as they faced themselves | 他们看到他们的孩子现在面临 与自己一样的失业 |
| 219 | Their dream of housing is an impossible one | 他们的住房梦想是不可能实现的 |
| 220 | We heard of the liberation of the sale of council houses over half the council houses | 我们听说有一半的议会大厦被卖掉 |
| 221 | That were bought in Ely are now in the hands of private landlords | 这是在伊利买的 现在由私人房东掌管 |
| 222 | I could point out every one of them to you as you walk down the street | 你走在街上的时候 我可以把每个都指给你看 |
| 223 | They are always the houses in disrepair | 他们总是失修的房子 |
| 224 | They are always the houses where tenants are there for such a brief period that there is no investment in the community | 它们总是租户所在的房屋,时间很短,社区没有投资。 |
| 225 | To which they so temporarily | 暂时如此 |
| 226 | Belong they live in a society | 他们属于一个社会 |
| 227 | Where those who have done very well | 在那里,谁做的非常好 |
| 228 | no longer share a common sense of citizenship and where the essential goods | 不再具有共同的公民身份感和基本商品 |
| 229 | Which were sold in privatization | 在私有化中出售的 |
| 230 | Now belong not to them as they did but to people far away | 现在不象他们那样属于他们,而是属于遥远的人 |
| 231 | The bargain has been broken and it has been broken by the new | 讨价还价被打破了 被新的 |
| 232 | Liberal experiment that mrs. Thatcher has provided and lived now for 40 years | 自由实验,夫人. 撒切尔已经供养了40年 |
| 233 | At the heart of that experiment is the replacement of the ambition for high trust | 实验的核心是取代高信任的野心 |
| 234 | relationships between citizens the services they rely on of the state in which they belong with the | 公民之间的关系、他们所依赖的服务以及他们所属国家提供的服务 |
| 235 | realization of low trust | 实现低信任 |
| 236 | caveat emptor | 备注空格 |
| 237 | relationships buyer beware | 购买者应注意 |
| 238 | The person on the other side of the desk who pretends to be acting in your interests is doing that just that just | 在桌子的另一边 假装为你着想的人 正在这样做 |
| 239 | Pretending and once you come to believe that | 假装,一旦你相信 |
| 240 | Once you come to believe that the only way for you to rise in a society is to put your arm on the elbow of | 一旦你开始相信 在社会上崛起的唯一方法 就是把你的手臂放在手肘上 |
| 241 | The person next door to you and push them down in order that you might rise | 你隔壁的人 推倒他们 让你站起来 |
| 242 | Once you have swallowed that as a recipe for a good society | 一旦你吞下它 成为好社会的秘方 |
| 243 | Then what you have thrown away are all the advantages that come in a more equal society better | 那你丢掉的就是 在一个更平等的社会里产生的优势 |
| 244 | Economic performance less crime less fear of crime better health all those things sacrificed on an | 经济表现 犯罪 犯罪 恐惧 犯罪 健康 |
| 245 | ideology a replacement of the dignity and the authority of equal citizenship with the exploitation of | 平等公民权的尊严和权威被利用 |
| 246 | crass | 疯子 |
| 247 | consumerism the replacement of | 消费者主义 |
| 248 | the proletariat | 无产阶级 |
| 249 | with a | 带有 |
| 250 | Precaring precariat in its place now in Ireland Bevan used to say that he was 21 | 贝凡曾经说他21岁 |
| 251 | Before he met a Tory | 在他遇见托里之前 |
| 252 | And I used to say that it was my ambition to make sure that young people in Wales today had the same opportunity | 我曾经说,这是我的野心 确保今天的威尔士年轻人 有同样的机会 |
| 253 | But I find though that it's happening without to be | 但我发现,虽然它正在发生 没有 |
| 254 | Because in the Senate the Welsh Parliament there isn't | 因为在参议院,威尔士议会没有 |
| 255 | More than a handful of conservatives who have survived. | 不止少数幸存下来的保守派. |
| 256 | There is not a single conservative MP from Wales | 没有一个来自威尔士的保守议员 |
| 257 | There is not a single conservative council to be found in Wales | 威尔士没有一个保守的议会 |
| 258 | What an irony what an irony that the legacy of mrs. Thatcher will turn out to be the destruction of the party that allowed her | 多么讽刺 多么讽刺夫人的遗产。 撒切尔将会毁灭允许她的党 |
| 259 | {\fn华文楷体\fs16\1cHE0E0E0}去执行她 | |
| 260 | experiment now standing here, I know that I should be at | 现在站在这的实验,我知道 我应该在 |
| 261 | Makerfield where the most consequential by-election of modern times is taking place a | 马克菲尔德 现代最有影响的补选 |
| 262 | genuine fork in the road on one side a | 真正的叉子在路上 在一边a |
| 263 | future of | 未来 |
| 264 | further | 进一步 |
| 265 | immiseration | 标识 |
| 266 | international isolation the triumph of | 国际孤立 |
| 267 | extremism | 极端主义 |
| 268 | Followed by the rapid breakup of the United Kingdom on the other side a | 联合王国在另一边迅速解体之后a |
| 269 | United Kingdom of social | 联合王国 |
| 270 | Solidarity where greater equality means that each one of us each one of us has a stake in | 更加平等的团结意味着我们每一个人都有利害关系 |
| 271 | Making the future the best it can be | 让未来成为最好的未来 |
| 272 | where devolution is | 移交地点 |
| 273 | respected and where the UK thrives as a country of choice rather than an | 英国作为一个选择国而非 |
| 274 | exploding of | 爆炸 |
| 275 | sullen decline | 沙仑下降 |
| 276 | President it feels almost like swearing in church to make these points in this | 总统... 感觉就像在教堂里发誓说这些话 |
| 277 | Gilded cage a place where irony is so remarkably absent that six men have been rounded up to debate the legacy of a woman | 吉尔德的笼子里 充满讽刺意味的地方 以至于六个男人被围起来辩论女人的遗产 |
| 278 | But I say to you as you come to think of casting your votes | 但我告诉你,当你来 想投你的选票 |
| 279 | This evening, but the choice in front of us is a real one | 今晚,我们面前的选择是真实的 |
| 280 | It is not just a matter of debating points | 这不仅仅是辩论要点的问题 |
| 281 | It is a matter of the future that we would wish to have for ourselves and our children | 我们想为自己和我们的孩子带来未来 |
| 282 | And if you believe that you will emphatically reject tonight's motion | 如果你相信你会强烈拒绝今晚的动议 |
| 283 | Thank you very much Mark | 非常感谢马克 |
| 284 | We now move on to our first round of floor speeches will start off in proposition of the motion | 我们现在进行第一轮发言,首先提出动议。 |
| 285 | So if you believe that Margaret Thatcher liberated the proletariat, please raise your hand if you want to give a speech | 如果你相信玛格丽特·撒切尔解放了无产阶级 请举手 如果你想发表演说 |
| 286 | Going once going off, please name and college | 离开后,请说出名字和大学 |
| 287 | It's Emma Monday, I hesitate to speak because I've graduated and I don't want to take a student's spot | 今天是艾玛星期一,我犹豫不决 因为我毕业了,我不想去学生那儿 |
| 288 | But since the students of Cambridge, no one no longer wants to celebrate the liberators of the proletariat | 但自从剑桥的学生们以后 没有人再想庆祝无产阶级的解放者了 |
| 289 | I suppose I must speak in her defense | 我想我必须替她辩护 |
| 290 | I think the only thing I wanted to say on this motion is to highlight what we heard from the first | 我想在这个动议上我唯一想说的 就是强调我们从第一个 |
| 291 | Opposition speaker there his his his primary claim at the start of his speech | 他发言开始时的主要主张 |
| 292 | Was to draw highlight to the fact that Britain in 1976 was more income equal more wealth equal | 英国在1976年的收入 与财富相等 |
| 293 | Than it was subsequently | 而不是后来 |
| 294 | I mean if you look at Britain in 2026 today income inequality in Britain is the lowest it's been in 25 30 years | 我的意思是,如果你在2026年看英国,今天英国的收入不平等是2530年来最低的 |
| 295 | It's been declining ever since 2010 | 从2010年起就一直在下降 |
| 296 | And I dare to point to anyone this room who say Britain is thriving in the moment | 我敢指向任何人 谁说英国 兴旺的瞬间 |
| 297 | Do you think Britain is thriving today because income inequality has been going down for the last 25 years | 你觉得英国今天很兴旺吗? 因为过去25年来收入不平等一直在下降 |
| 298 | We have the lowest income inequality in 25 years. | 我们是25年来收入不平等程度最低的国家。 |
| 299 | We have the highest taxes and working people we've had in 25 years | 我们有25年来最高的税收和工人 |
| 300 | We've had the most burdensome regulations on on labor markets, which is putting young people out of work | 劳动力市场上最繁琐的条例 就是让年轻人失业 |
| 301 | We have highly burdensome regulations on whether you can build housing new runways new infrastructure | 我们规定你能否建造新跑道 新的基础设施 |
| 302 | Britain is stagnating not because of Margaret Thatcher not because of neoliberalism not because of what happened | 英国停滞不前不是因为玛格丽特·撒切尔 不是因为新自由主义 不是因为发生了什么 |
| 303 | 40 years ago Britain is stagnating because we were making the same bad choices | 40年前,英国停滞不前,因为我们做了同样的错误选择 |
| 304 | We made in the 1970s over regulating over taxing and not letting the new technology for 2026 run free | 20世纪70年代我们做了一个规范 税收和不让2026年的新技术自由运行 |
| 305 | I think if you want to point to 1976 and say things were rosy because people were more equal | 我想如果你想指出1976年 并说事情是玫瑰 因为人们更平等 |
| 306 | I think you are a fool people in 1990 were much better off people across the spectrum were much better off in | 我认为你是一个愚蠢的人 在1990年 更好的人 在谱系的人 |
| 307 | 1990 I would take you in a second Sammy and | 1990年,我会带你 在第二山米和 |
| 308 | And | 还有 |
| 309 | Dare I say I'll alludes to what Thatcher said in 1990 in her final Prime Minister's questions | 我敢说,我会提到 撒切尔在1990年说 在她最后的总理的问题 |
| 310 | you would rather | 你宁愿这样 |
| 311 | The poor were worse off if only the rich were worse off too. | 如果富人也比富人差的话,穷人的情况就更糟。 |
| 312 | That is the world of 1976 | 这就是1976年的世界 |
| 313 | That is the world of equality. | 这就是平等的世界。 |
| 314 | That is not the Britain we want | 这不是我们想要的英国 |
| 315 | That's the Britain we have today and no one here today thinks Britain is succeeding. | 这就是我们今天拥有的英国 今天没有人认为英国正在成功 |
| 316 | Thank you | 谢谢 |
| 317 | And thank you very much | 谢谢你 |
| 318 | We'll now move on to opposition to the motion if anyone doesn't believe that Margaret Thatcher liberated the pro proletariat, please raise your hand | 如果有人认为玛格丽特·撒切尔 解放了无产阶级 请举手 |
| 319 | To the member at the back there name of college, please | 请到后面的大学里去 |
| 320 | Thank you, Alex Mitchell Queens College | 谢谢你,亚历克斯·米切尔皇后学院 |
| 321 | I just like to take us back to the terms of the motion and also the terms of | 我只想让我们回到 动议的条件和条件 |
| 322 | Margaret Thatcher herself in terms of how she was framing her ideology and what she was trying to achieve | 玛格丽特 撒切尔自己从她如何构思 她的意识形态 以及她试图实现什么 |
| 323 | The motion has been worded rather provocatively I could say and it's worked to look at this wonderful Easter term at turnout right after | 动议的措辞相当挑剔 我可以说, 它的工作是看 这个美妙的复活节术语 投票后 |
| 324 | exams | 考试 |
| 325 | But I don't think Margaret Thatcher's goal was to liberate the proletariat in a name meaningful sense | 但我不认为玛格丽特撒切尔的目标是 以有意义的名义解放无产阶级 |
| 326 | | |
| 327 | view her vision for the proletariat was its | 她对无产阶级的看法是: |
| 328 | abolition and and Jack has | 废除和杰克已经 |
| 329 | Alludes that in his speech her vision of liberation was embouchurement was owning shares owning your house | 暗示在他的演讲中,她对解放的憧憬是浮雕 拥有拥有你的房子的股份 |
| 330 | Becoming middle class rather than selling your labor owning assets and being a member of a property owning | 成为中产阶级 而不是出卖你的劳动力 拥有资产 成为拥有财产的成员 |
| 331 | democracy and that | 民主与民主 |
| 332 | Rather than what I think quite a few of our first free speech sort of erred into is talking about | 而不是我想的 我们第一次言论自由中 有很多人 被误入歧途 |
| 333 | The how what what Margaret Thatcher's impact was on the material conditions of workers | 玛格丽特撒切尔对工人物质条件的影响 |
| 334 | That's not necessarily what's the issue in the motion or what was that issue in her mind? | 这不一定是动议中的问题 或者是她心里的问题? |
| 335 | So I think in her mind her goal was a sort of moral renewal amongst workers | 所以我觉得在她心目中 她的目标是在工人中进行道德更新 |
| 336 | She saw a culture of dependency that had been | 她看到了一种依赖文化 |
| 337 | Brewed by the post-war consensus over the previous 30 years, and she wasn't so much for radicals | 过去30年的战后共识让她心烦意乱 她对激进主义者来说没那么重要 |
| 338 | I think some like to think in thinking that there was a long-term | 我想有些人喜欢在思考 有一个长期 |
| 339 | Strand in the Conservative Party who were of that view and she very much came from that world and it's not necessarily as liberal or | 保守党的斯特朗 她有那种观点 她非常来自那个世界 不一定像自由主义或 |
| 340 | Radical as we might like to think and crucially she did not succeed in this in her own terms | 虽然我们很激进,但她并没有成功 |
| 341 | | |
| 342 | I think there's more of an argument to say that she succeeded in terms of | 我认为还有更多的论据可以说,她成功地从 |
| 343 | You know the British and Britain's economy grew in the years after Thatcher people did become more rich | 在撒切尔人变得更加富有之后的几年里,英国和英国的经济增长 |
| 344 | From sort of mid 1980s onwards with a lot of you know ups and downs in terms of time and areas | 从20世纪80年代中期开始,你们中很多人 在时间和地区上都知道起伏 |
| 345 | but | 不过 |
| 346 | in her own | 在她身边 |
| 347 | Terms she did not achieve. | 条件她没有实现。 |
| 348 | She did not destroy the proletariat is still with us, right? | 她没有摧毁无产阶级 仍然和我们在一起,对不对? |
| 349 | And there is no Thatcher right vision in which that is | 并不存在撒切尔正确的 愿景,这是 |
| 350 | Appropriate she the all the sort of the means she tried to do this through right to buy | 她应该通过购买权 来利用一切手段 |
| 351 | Through trying to change the way that pensions work to ensure that people owns more of what they and made more decisions about where their money | 通过努力改变养老金运作方式,确保人们拥有更多的资金,并就资金在哪里做出更多决定 |
| 352 | went and | 去过, |
| 353 | Even and even the privatization and buying those shares in those companies that the first proposition speaker alluded to it didn't work | 即使是私有化和购买那些公司中的股份 也没用 |
| 354 | a lot of these things might have very briefly ended up in the hands of the proletariat, but they you know they tend to | 许多这些事情可能 已经非常短暂地 落入无产阶级的手中, 但你知道,他们倾向于 |
| 355 | Collate in the hands of larger landlords owners of shares and that's you know | 由大块头的房东 拥有股份,你知道的 |
| 356 | Thing happens in a free market, but that's not the vision she has and I think she became she herself came increasingly | 事情发生在自由市场,但这不是 她有的愿景 我认为她变成 她自己来了越来越多的 |
| 357 | Frustrated by this as her term went on you see her in her | 被这令她失望,当她任期结束的时候... ...你看到她在她身上 |
| 358 | Memoirs and in her late years coming very frustrated things like Europe | 回忆录和晚年的她... ... ...... |
| 359 | Because once your input once your project fails you look to lash out other things that you think have constrained you and | 因为一旦你的输入 一旦你的项目失败了 你就会想把其他你认为 限制你的东西 |
| 360 | That has carried through into her ideological airs. | 这已经传入她的意识形态。 |
| 361 | We've continued | 我们继续 |
| 362 | to seek out reasons why | 寻找原因 |
| 363 | the proletariat is still with us why | 无产阶级仍然和我们在一起 |
| 364 | Britain has not been morally renewed in that in that certain ideological sense that thatcher and her ideological ilk bequeathed to us | 英国在道德上并没有复兴,因为撒切尔和她的意识形态语言从某种意识形态意义上传承给我们。 |
| 365 | and | 和 |
| 366 | That results in continual lashing out | 这导致持续拉出 |
| 367 | Whether it be Europe or the benefit scrounges or the blob | 不管是欧洲,还是好处 混混或blob |
| 368 | This in the civil service. | 这在公务员中。 |
| 369 | There's nothing | 什么都没有 |
| 370 | To indicate | 表示 |
| 371 | We have seen six. | 我们已经看到6个。 |
| 372 | I mean no one is satisfied after today's factorized satisfied no | 我的意思是,没有人满足 之后今天的因子化满足 没有 |
| 373 | And and her opponents unsatisfied no one satisfied. | 而她的对手则不满意 没有人满意。 |
| 374 | I don't think people liberated. | 我不认为人们解放了。 |
| 375 | I think I've run that road here | 我想我已经跑过这条路了 |
| 376 | I'm gonna see the floor. | 我会看到地板。 |
| 377 | Thank you | 谢谢 |
| 378 | And thank you very much for that speech in opposition to the motion when I move on to abstention | 非常感谢你发言反对我弃权的动议 |
| 379 | Would anyone like to abstain the motion before us? | 有人要弃权吗? |
| 380 | The member at the back | 后面的那个成员 |
| 381 | it was very intriguing to hear about the | 听到这个消息非常有趣 |
| 382 | discontents and the horror of | 不满和恐惧 |
| 383 | What has been suffered by the poor people in this country? | 今国贫民何苦? |
| 384 | And I think that it's true that the Thatcherite revolution however you see it was not one shared by everyone | 我认为撒切尔人革命 并非每个人都有 |
| 385 | But in terms of what has happened especially in the last decade | 但从过去10年发生的事情来看 |
| 386 | Brexit other social trouble and what we face over the next few years | 未来几年我们面临的其他社会问题 |
| 387 | I really believe it is fair to look at both parties and in particular the inability of the Labour Party | 我真的相信,看看双方,特别是工党的无能是公平的 |
| 388 | to deal with agony and helplessness and | 面对痛苦和无助, |
| 389 | real | 真实 |
| 390 | suffering | 受 难 |
| 391 | among the people whom it was trusted to care for and | 被信任的民众中, |
| 392 | Had the autonomy and the power to do so in different parts of this country both at a council level and national level | 在国内不同地区,无论是在议会一级还是在国家一级,都有自主权和权力这样做。 |
| 393 | And while I accept and I have to accept that there were restrictions on those governments because of national policy | 虽然我接受,我不得不接受, 对这些政府的限制 因为国家政策 |
| 394 | I still feel that we are where we are today and | 我仍然觉得我们到了今天 |
| 395 | Brexit happened because of the failure and indeed sadly not just incompetence | Brexit是因为失败 而不是因为无能 |
| 396 | But the hubris of the Labour Party and that will be seen more and more over the next few years | 但是工党的傲慢 在未来的几年里会越来越明显 |
| 397 | And I'm not quite sure that Andy Burnham is is a great change from that as good as his intentions may be | 我不确定Andy Burnham 是否与他的意图大相径庭 |
| 398 | rights | 权利 |
| 399 | We now move on to our second round of speakers | 现在轮到第二轮发言 |
| 400 | Speaking next in proposition to the motion is James price | 接下来是詹姆士价 |
| 401 | James price is the former chief of staff to the Chancellor of the exchequer and a senior fellow at the Adam Smith Institute a | 詹姆士·普价是前财政大臣的幕僚长 亚当·斯密研究所的资深研究员 |
| 402 | free market think tank | 自由市场智囊团 |
| 403 | He is also the oldest ever president of the Oxford Union James. | 他也是历史上最年长的牛津邦联主席詹姆斯. |
| 404 | You have the ears of the house | 你有这房子的耳朵 |
| 405 | Mr. President, thank you very much for that and thank you to everybody here this evening for letting a | 主席先生,非常感谢你,并感谢你今晚在座的各位让大家 |
| 406 | Foreigner from the other place come in and speak | 外人从别的地方进来说话 |
| 407 | It's amazing to realize that you've made this incredible copy of the Oxford Union | 令人惊奇的是,你已经做了 这难以置信的拷贝牛津工会 |
| 408 | And you're so smart that you managed to somehow make it ten years before we were even founded | 而且你这么聪明,你设法 在十年前,我们甚至成立 |
| 409 | It's just very very impressive | 实在令人印象深刻 |
| 410 | And so I'm very grateful and despite what young Jasper over there who works for me might have told you I've never said anything | 所以,我非常感谢,尽管 年轻的贾斯珀在那里 谁为我工作可能已经告诉你,我从来没有说过 |
| 411 | Disobliging about Cambridge in any kind of boating competitions any kind of rugby matches or anything like that at all | 在任何种类的划船比赛中 违背对剑桥的承诺 任何种类的橄榄球比赛或类似的比赛 |
| 412 | Only have my respect and I'm not being craven in an attempt to get some votes off you this evening | 恕我直言 我今晚不会被逼去争取选票 |
| 413 | I would like to | 我想说 |
| 414 | Speak about mrs. Thatcher the person a little bit because I think very often she is this | 说说Mrs. 撒切尔一个人一点点 因为我觉得她经常是这样 |
| 415 | This totemic figure either you love her or she is this demonic figure and you only hear terrible things about the | 你爱她还是爱她? |
| 416 | evils that she's apparently | 邪恶的她显然 |
| 417 | single-handedly wrought on the country as if | 单枪匹马地袭击国家 |
| 418 | Social unrest and deprivations don't happen in for example the Soviet Union at the same time that Margaret Thatcher was doing these sorts of reforms | 社会动荡和贫困不会发生 比如苏联 玛格丽特撒切尔在做这些改革时 |
| 419 | I don't think that's true at all and and I I changed my mind on mrs. Thatcher around the time of her death | 我觉得这不是真的 我改变主意了 撒切尔死的时候 |
| 420 | I was an undergraduate at the time and I heard that she had died and I saw some of my friends crying | 我当时是本科生 听说她死了 我看到我朋友在哭 |
| 421 | But that was a bit odd. | 但有点奇怪 |
| 422 | I saw some of my friends cheering. | 我看到我的朋友在欢呼 |
| 423 | I thought that was even worse | 我以为这样更糟 |
| 424 | And I couldn't I hadn't really engaged with it | 我不能没有真正与它接触 |
| 425 | I was one of those sort of soppy kind of milk toast lib dem Tory coalition airs a bit like the outgoing president apparently | 我是那种那种 牛奶吐司 lib dem Tory联盟的空气 有点像即将卸任的总统 |
| 426 | And I think more than maybe a similar journey | 我想可能不止是一次类似的旅程 |
| 427 | I'm sorry to lump you in with me here and I watched a | 很抱歉把你关在这里 我看着 |
| 428 | Documentary that was released triggered. | 已启动的纪录片 。 |
| 429 | It's released was triggered by her death and it's on YouTube at the moment | 它的发布是因她的死亡而触发 并且它现在在YouTube上 |
| 430 | I know the Labour Party wants to ban | 我知道工党想取缔 |
| 431 | YouTube for many people some nights only the under 18s | 对许多人来说,YouTube有些晚上只有18岁以下 |
| 432 | but let's see how far that goes but the moment you can watch it and | 但让我们看看这有多远... ...但是,那一刻你可以看它和 |
| 433 | In the off chance that my side doesn't win this evening | 如果今晚我一方赢不了 |
| 434 | I would still urge all of you to watch this this documentary because it talks about | 我仍将敦促你们所有人观看这部纪录片,因为它谈到 |
| 435 | Mrs. Thatcher and her supporters are on there | 夫人,请 撒切尔和她的支持者在那里 |
| 436 | But the thing that really got me is that the detractors were there and they were allowed as they have been this evening | 但真正让我着迷的是 诽谤者在那里 他们被允许像今晚一样 |
| 437 | They're allowed to speak and it was the things that they said about her that maybe made me reconsider a little bit about Margaret Thatcher | 他们被允许说话 他们所说的她的事 让我重新考虑一下玛格丽特撒切尔 |
| 438 | The human being and with apologies to my wife who sat here | 人类和对坐在这里的妻子道歉 |
| 439 | So I know hopefully got at least one vote this evening and whom I made sit down and watch this | 所以我知道,希望今晚至少有一票 我让谁坐下来看这个 |
| 440 | Documentary with me far too early in our courtship and she must have been sitting there thinking who is this bloke who is crying about? | 和我在一起的纪录片 在我们的求爱太早 她一定坐在那里 想着谁是这个家伙 谁在哭? |
| 441 | Privatizations I'm just hungover. | 私有化,我只是宿醉。 |
| 442 | I maybe just want to go back to my flat | 我也许只是想回我的公寓 |
| 443 | Why am I watching a documentary about Margaret Thatcher who's heard some of this before in this documentary you see? | 我为什么要看一部关于玛格丽特撒切尔的纪录片呢? 他以前在这部纪录片里听过一些这样的故事,你看到的? |
| 444 | What were middle-class luxuries like telephones in your house and cars that worked and central heating and foreign holidays | 什么样的中产阶级奢侈品 比如你家里的电话 工作车 中央暖气和外国假期 |
| 445 | Then was suddenly something that everybody could gain access to that had been previously the preserve of just much richer people | 然后突然间,每个人都能接触到 之前只有更富有的人才能接触到的东西 |
| 446 | However equal that society was let's remember that Mrs. Thatcher's | 不论这个社会多么平等 让我们记住撒切尔夫人 |
| 447 | 首相Jim Callaghan说国家如此平等, | |
| 448 | Man, he would emigrate from the country. | 他会从乡下移民 |
| 449 | Let's hold that in mind, of course, but I really want you | 让我们记住,当然,但我真的很想要你 |
| 450 | To my iron lady, I really want you to to watch this documentary and | 敬我的铁小姐 我真的希望你能看这部纪录片 |
| 451 | To realize it changed my life | 为了意识到它改变了我的生活 |
| 452 | And I'm gonna just give some quotes that came from this from this show from some of her detractors | 我要引用一些引言 来自这个节目 从一些她的诽谤者 |
| 453 | the one of these people the first one is I think the former mistress of | 第一位是前情妇 |
| 454 | Girton College and people from Girton here this evening anyone from Girton in | 吉尔顿学院和来自吉尔顿的人 今晚在这里 Girton的人 |
| 455 | So Mary Warnock your former mistress who's from a fabulously wealthy family privately educated all of the rest of it | 所以玛丽·沃诺克 你以前的情妇 他来自一个非常富有的家庭 私下教育了所有的其余部分 |
| 456 | She said that Mrs. Thatcher was the very worst of the lower middle class and when she heard that Mrs. Thatcher had bought her | 她说撒切尔夫人是下层中产阶级中最差的,当她听到夫人的话时. 撒切尔买了她 |
| 457 | Pussy-bow blouse again. | 又普贤宝衣. |
| 458 | I had we had to check that that is a real thing and I wasn't misremembering what this was called | 我不得不检查,这是一个真实的事情, 我没有错记得 这叫什么 |
| 459 | 从Marks和Spencer那 让她觉得身体不舒服。 | |
| 460 | This is the kind of | 这是那种 |
| 461 | Disabilizations and attacks that this lower middle-class woman who had had to fight for everything that she'd got | 这个下层中产阶级妇女 不得不为她拥有的一切而奋斗 |
| 462 | These are the kinds of attacks that were leveled at her the fabulously wealthy privately educated | 这些攻击都是针对她 富有的私人教育 |
| 463 | In a family privately educated Jonathan Miller Cambridge graduate probably a member of this fine place described her as odious and suburban | 在一个私人教育的家庭中 乔纳森・米勒・剑桥毕业 很可能是这里的一位成员 形容她令人憎恶和郊区 |
| 464 | Privately educated member of the Cambridge Apostles | 受过私人教育的剑桥使徒 |
| 465 | What about Stephen Fry private educator Cambridge grad Steve a fry called her a shameful and putrid scab an | 史蒂芬・弗莱私人教育家 剑桥・格勒・史蒂芬如何? |
| 466 | embarrassingly ludicrous | 尴尬可笑 |
| 467 | Monstrosity now if that was supposed to have turned me against her | 如果这能让我反对她的话 |
| 468 | I think it rather turned me against the former host of QI in watching this but it wasn't just the people on the left to | 我认为这让我更反对前QI的主持人 看这个,但不只是左边的人 |
| 469 | Attack her as you said check the people that in the end did for Margaret Thatcher the Tory tofs | 照你说的去攻击她 查查最后帮玛格丽特·撒切尔 搞的鬼 |
| 470 | It was Christopher Soames who was the son-in-law of Winston Churchill when he was sacked by Margaret Thatcher | 是克里斯托弗·索姆斯被玛格丽特·撒切尔解雇时 是温斯顿·丘吉尔的女婿 |
| 471 | He said that it was like being dismissed by his own housemaid | 他说,这就像被自己的女佣解雇 |
| 472 | This is the kind of mindset as much as it was the material privations that Margaret Thatcher | 这就像玛格丽特撒切尔 物质匮乏一样 |
| 473 | Liberated the proletariat the working people alarm clock Brits as you might hear them called on some bits of the media | 解放无产阶级 劳动人民 闹钟 英国人 当你听到他们呼吁一些媒体 |
| 474 | Every bit as much as that material. | 和那些材料一样多 |
| 475 | Yes. | 对 |
| 476 | I'll take your point now | 我现在听你的 |
| 477 | I'm very very glad that you | 我很高兴你 |
| 478 | I'm not gonna go heavy on numbers | 我不会重打数字 |
| 479 | I know the Lord Hanna knows numbers at the back of his hand and will do this very well | 我知道汉娜大人在背后知道数字 并且会做得很好 |
| 480 | But just very briefly and in 1974 you're right that it was only a quarter of skilled workers who voted Tory | 1974年你说得对 只有四分之一的熟练工人投票给托里 |
| 481 | By 1983 they preferred voting for her to voting for labor people who feel exploited do not reelect their oppressor | 到1983年,他们宁可投票支持她,也不愿投票支持那些感到受剥削的劳工,而不是重新选举他们的压迫者。 |
| 482 | They only both start supporting them when they realize they have been liberated by them | 他们只有意识到自己被解放了 才开始支持他们 |
| 483 | Who did she defeat in that last election and she probably would have gone on to defeat again in that next election | 在上次的选举中她击败了谁 她很可能在下次选举中再次击败 |
| 484 | It was another great Labour Welsh leader Neil Kinnock. | 是另一位伟大的威尔士工党领袖尼尔·金诺克. |
| 485 | And again, I really would love you to go and watch this documentary | 再说一次,我真的很想你去看这部纪录片 |
| 486 | I'll give you the name of it in the bar later over some pints | 我晚点在酒吧给你取个名字 |
| 487 | Neil Kinnock is given an awful lot of air time in this show and he was obviously for those of you who may not know | Neil Kinnock在这个节目里 得到了很多的播出时间 而且他显然为你们这些可能不知道的人服务 |
| 488 | He was the guy who Mrs. Thatcher sadly defeated in 1987 and John Major accidentally gone on to defeat again in 1992 | 他是1987年撒切尔夫人惨败的那个人 John Major在1992年意外地再次失败了 |
| 489 | He's challenged and the person interviewing says so you now agree that we shouldn't for example renationalize industries | 他被挑战了 接受采访的人说 所以你现在同意 我们不应该把工业重新国有化 |
| 490 | Or go back to exchange controls | 或者回到交换控制 |
| 491 | Or undo the trade union reform. | 或取消工会改革. |
| 492 | So she was right, wasn't she? | 她是对的,不是吗? |
| 493 | And Neil Kinnock's response | 尼尔·金诺克的回答 |
| 494 | Where there's I won't do the accent | 哪里我不会做口音 |
| 495 | I know I told you earlier on Mark that both my grandfather's Welsh, but I'm not gonna embarrass myself by trying the accent said where there's no | 我知道我之前在Mark上说过 我祖父都是威尔士人 但我不会因为口音 说没有就丢脸 |
| 496 | pause | 暂停 |
| 497 | rationale for changing a main avenue of policy | 改变主要政策途径的理由 |
| 498 | pause | 暂停 |
| 499 | Why change it pause? | 为什么改变它暂停? |
| 500 | There's absolutely no point in changing it | 完全没有改变它的意义 |
| 501 | Sounds like he realized that she was right and that's why she defeated him and would have defeated him again | 听起来他意识到她是对的 这就是为什么她打败了他 并且会再次打败他 |
| 502 | And we've heard a little bit about right to buy we've heard about right to buy again | 我们听说了一点买的正确性 我们听说了买的正确性 |
| 503 | This is a policy in which people who lived in council houses were given the rights at a subsidized cost to buy their own homes | 这是一个政策,根据这项政策,居住在议会大楼的人有权以补贴费用购买自己的住房。 |
| 504 | to have the dignity of owning their own home and | 拥有拥有自己家园的尊严 |
| 505 | Neil Kinnock changed the Labour Party's own policy to agree with the conservative policy about this and when he's challenged | 尼尔·金诺克(Neil Kinnock)改变了工党自己的政策,同意保守党关于这一点的政策,当他受到挑战时, |
| 506 | Says this is nothing to do with mrs. Thatcher | 说这跟Ms. 撒切尔 |
| 507 | This is everything to do with Gordon and Mary Kinnock his parents | 这都和戈登和玛丽·金诺克的父母有关 |
| 508 | He says again | 他再说一遍 |
| 509 | I just thought it would have been a compliment to them and a reward for their labors if they were able to buy their council house | 我只是觉得如果能买下他们的议会大楼 这会是对他们的赞美和对他们的劳动的奖励 |
| 510 | 如果对Gordon和Mary Kinnock来说足够好 他就要拿到钱了 | |
| 511 | Why isn't it good enough for my parents for your parents for all of those millions of people who ended up doing this | 为什么对我父母来说 对你父母来说 还不够好? |
| 512 | it was good enough for them to bring liberation and home ownership and security to them and | 让他们获得解放、拥有房屋、安全 |
| 513 | In so doing Neil can it come so close to understanding that mrs. Thatcher's policies liberated not just | 这样Neil就能理解到Mrs. 撒切尔的政策不仅解放了 |
| 514 | Millions of people abstract voters out there, but his own parents | 数百万人 抽象的选民在那里, 但他自己的父母 |
| 515 | He's so close to getting it and he doesn't and the reason I love this so much in this moment in 2013 | 他快拿到钱了,他没拿到 也是我2013年这么喜欢这个的原因 |
| 516 | Again, I should have been doing my finals as well and not just studying | 再说一次,我本该参加我的决赛 而不是只学习 |
| 517 | It helped me realize a bit more about my own parents who were dad left school at 14 | 帮助我意识到 更多关于我自己的父母 谁的父亲离开学校 14岁 |
| 518 | His highest qualifications of forklift truck license half Welshman my mom's divorced two kids at 22 | 他最高资格的叉车 许可一半威尔士人 我妈妈离婚的两个孩子22。 |
| 519 | Know what to do with herself father was Welshman again big thatcher right here. | 知道怎么处理自己的父亲是威尔士人 又大撒切尔在这里。 |
| 520 | My grandfather was | 我爷爷是 |
| 521 | These guys my parents were the proletariat and because of the sorts of reforms that Margaret Thatcher put in | 这些人我父母是无产阶级 因为玛格丽特撒切尔的改革 |
| 522 | These two people were able to the sweat of their own brow to make something of their lives after working all day | 这两个人整天工作后 都能汗出自己的眉毛 做点什么 |
| 523 | They started a small balloon decoration business. | 他们开始了一个小型气球装饰业务. |
| 524 | Nothing fancy | 没什么花样 |
| 525 | It's not the great big space X rockets or anything else | 这不是大太空X火箭什么的 |
| 526 | But every single weekend from when I was five years old when I was 13 years old | 但每个周末,从我5岁时开始,当我13岁时 |
| 527 | We spent every weekend driving around the wedding venues and birthday parties and things like that making balloon | 我们每个周末都在婚礼场所 生日派对上开车 |
| 528 | decorations and arches for weddings and parties and things like that and I was sat there in the back as a five-year-old playing with | 婚礼和派对的装饰和拱门 和类似的事情,我坐在后面一个5岁的玩家 |
| 529 | Ribbons and trying to sort out the helium canisters and all these things and these people were therefore able to make a little bit extra | Ribbons和试图整理 氦罐和所有这些东西 和这些人因此能够 得到一点点额外的 |
| 530 | Money when they realized that capitalism was not just this evil abstract thing that some of you were taught that it is | 当他们意识到 资本主义不仅仅是这个邪恶的抽象的东西, 你们中有些人被教导它 |
| 531 | But that it is creative and it is human and it is moral | 但是它是创造性的,是人性的,是道德的 |
| 532 | They started another business and the old man invented a safety product on building sites again. | 他们创办了另一家企业,老人又在建筑工地上发明了安全产品. |
| 533 | It's not very sexy | 一点都不性感 |
| 534 | It's not very Elon Musk | 这不太像伊隆·穆斯克 |
| 535 | But this meant that people would fall off scaffolding they would land on this stuff and they wouldn't die | 但这意味着人们会从脚手架上掉下来 他们会降落在这种东西上 他们不会死 |
| 536 | They wouldn't break their necks they'd go home | 他们不会折断脖子,会回家 |
| 537 | they'd be able to put food on their kids tables and because of this my parents were able to | 他们可以把食物放在孩子的桌子上 因为这个我父母可以 |
| 538 | Save lives to transcend their own lots in life | 拯救生命 超越生命的万物 |
| 539 | and yes | 和对 |
| 540 | They made a little bit of money out of it in the process and their story like the story of Neil Kinnick's parents and like the story | 他们在这个过程中赚了点钱 和他们的故事 比如尼尔·金尼克的父母的故事 |
| 541 | Of millions of people up and down the country are the story of a proletariat. | 全国上下百万人中,都是无产阶级的故事. |
| 542 | Thank you very much who were | 谢谢你 |
| 543 | Liberated they were liberated from the lot in life that the government had set for them | 解放了他们 从政府为他们安排的生活里解放出来 |
| 544 | The house that was built by the state the water that came out of the tap was from the state the car that was made | 水龙头里流出来的水 是州里制造的车 |
| 545 | By the state and the job that was given to them by the state and they were able to achieve more than they ever could | 以国家及国家赋予他们的工作,他们能够取得比以往更多的成就 |
| 546 | Have done otherwise and that is why if you don't vote for us this evening at least go and watch this | 已经做了其他的, 这就是为什么如果你不 投票给我们 今晚至少去看看这个 |
| 547 | Documentary and come and talk to us afterwards because I know there'll be more shy Tories in there than that gap | 纪录片 之后来和我们谈谈 因为我知道那里会有比那间屋子更害羞的玩具 |
| 548 | We just saw now but mrs. Thatcher we believe liberated the proletariat | 我们刚刚看到,但夫人。 我们认为撒切尔解放了无产阶级 |
| 549 | I think in the fullness of time you will see that I am right as one | 我认为,在时间的充裕,你会看到,我是正确的作为一个 |
| 550 | I urge you in the meantime nevertheless come and vote for us. | 我敦促你们同时来为我们投票。 |
| 551 | Thank you very much | 非常感谢 |
| 552 | Thank you very much James | 谢谢你,詹姆斯 |
| 553 | We now move on to our second speaker in opposition to the motion | 现在请第二位反对动议的发言人发言。 |
| 554 | Lord glassman is an English political theorist academic social commentator and labor life here in the House of Lords | 格拉斯曼勋爵是英国政治理论家 学术社会评论家和劳工生活 |
| 555 | He is best known as the leader of the socially conservative socialist movement blue labor, which he founded in 2009 | 他最有名的是他于2009年创立的社会保守主义运动蓝劳工的领导者 |
| 556 | Lord glassman you have the ears of the house | 玻璃人大人,你还有房子的耳朵 |
| 557 | So you understand I don't think anything good has happened since | 所以,你明白,我不认为 任何事情好,因为 |
| 558 | 1979 | 1979 (英语). |
| 559 | The first was I came to Cambridge. | 第一个是我来到剑桥。 |
| 560 | It was really bad | 这真的很糟 |
| 561 | there | 那边 |
| 562 | the second was | 第二个是 |
| 563 | That there was an Islamic | 有个伊斯兰教徒 |
| 564 | Revolution in Iran that was really bad and the third thing was the election of Margaret Thatcher | 伊朗的革命真的很糟糕 第三件事是玛格丽特·撒切尔当选 |
| 565 | That was really really bad | 这真的很糟 |
| 566 | So it's taken me town now to fully recover. | 所以,它已经带我镇 现在完全恢复。 |
| 567 | So I really appreciate the invitation to share my | 所以,我真的很感激邀请 分享我的 |
| 568 | Therapeutic well-being as they say these days and | 他们现在所说的治疗健康 |
| 569 | Secondly, I'd just like to say what an honor it is to debate with Lord | 其次,我只想说,与主辩论是多么的荣幸 |
| 570 | Hannam who gave if any of you are interested the most superb one-man resistance to the Chagos Islands bill | 汉纳姆,如果你们中有人对 查戈斯群岛的法案感兴趣的话... ... . |
| 571 | That I've ever witnessed in Parliament, and I really honor you for what you did | 我曾经在议会亲眼目睹过 我非常的尊敬你所做的一切 |
| 572 | So I oppose this | 所以我反对 |
| 573 | proposition | 命题 |
| 574 | With all my heart and I say to you Jack that you sound like a Marxist really with your teleology | 我全心全意地对你说 杰克 你听起来就像马克思主义者 |
| 575 | That it was inevitable what happened that we had to lose our industry | 我们不得不失去工业,这是不可避免的 |
| 576 | but this was just the fate of history and Margaret Thatcher shared with | 但这只是历史的命运 玛格丽特撒切尔分享 |
| 577 | Marxists a certain rigid | 马克思主义者 有点僵硬 |
| 578 | technological | 技术 |
| 579 | Determinism that we have to absolutely reject and I do hope that tonight marks the day that we can finally move on from this nightmare | 决定我们必须绝对拒绝的决断,我确实希望今晚标志着我们能够从这场噩梦中最终前进的一天. |
| 580 | Human beings are not commodities | 人不是商品 |
| 581 | Nature is not a commodity | 自然不是商品 |
| 582 | Democracy is the way that we have solidarity and protect ourselves from the domination of the rich and the powerful | 民主是我们团结一致、保护自己免受富人和强人统治的方式 |
| 583 | All of this was lost all of this was not your inheritance during these years | 这些年你没有继承 |
| 584 | Because what Margaret Thatcher mercilessly initiated | 因为玛格丽特撒切尔无情地发起 |
| 585 | Tony Blair immaculately consummated | 托尼·布莱尔完美地完成了 |
| 586 | This era has gone on for 50 years and it's time that we liberate ourselves from its delusions | 这个时代已经持续了50年 我们该从它的妄想中解放出来了 |
| 587 | So what is the meaning of Thatcherism? | 那么撒切尔主义的意义是什么? |
| 588 | Thatcherism is the replacement of | 撒切尔主义是取代 |
| 589 | Covenant a notion of mutual obligation through the ages with a notion of contract | 《公约》规定在年龄期间相互义务的概念和合同概念 |
| 590 | Just what you can get out of it is the triumph of individualism over memory | 个人主义战胜记忆 |
| 591 | the sacred memory and that we have and the meaning of Thatcherism is | 以及撒切尔主义的意义 |
| 592 | The humiliation and demoralization of the best people in our country the working class who fought against the Nazis | 我们国家最优秀的工人阶级对纳粹的羞辱和士气低落 |
| 593 | Without murmur or complaint who were never tempted by communism never tempted by fascism | 没有怨言和抱怨,谁从来没有受到共产主义的诱惑 从来没有受到法西斯主义的诱惑 |
| 594 | This is the glory of our country and it looks like this is one of the main things that she dismantled | 这是我国的荣耀 看起来这是她拆掉的主要东西之一 |
| 595 | But above all we have to understand Thatcherism and the meaning of Thatcherism in this way who benefited | 但最重要的是,我们必须理解撒切尔主义 和撒切尔主义的意义 通过这种方式谁受益 |
| 596 | The Communist Party of China benefited and are the greatest beneficiaries of Thatcherism | 中国共产党是撒切尔主义的最大受益者 |
| 597 | She transferred the inherited wealth of industrialization | 她转移了继承的工业化财富 |
| 598 | to a | 改为: |
| 599 | country that was communist to a country | 共产主义国家对一个国家 |
| 600 | That refused to have any free and democratic trade unions to a country that had 24-hour | 拒绝一个24小时的工会 |
| 601 | Exploitation to a country that put nets on the windows | 对一个在窗户上放网的国家的剥削 |
| 602 | So the workers can jump out and commit suicide to a country that actively kills its strikers | 这样工人就可以跳下去自杀 到一个积极杀害罢工者的国家去 |
| 603 | But China gave capital what it wanted | 但中国给了它想要的资本 |
| 604 | frictionless trade | 无摩擦贸易 |
| 605 | Relentless accumulation of wealth and now we confront a world in which China is a superpower | 财富不断积累,现在我们面对的是一个中国是超级大国的世界 |
| 606 | It it is the champion of industry one of the | 这是工业的冠军之一 |
| 607 | Teleological mistakes of Thatcherism was the industry did not matter the industry was a thing of the past | 撒切尔主义的电传学错误是 工业不重要 工业是过去的事情 |
| 608 | So she gave all power to the city of London the city of London transferred all the assets to communist China and now | 所以她把所有权力都给了伦敦市 伦敦市把所有资产都转移到了共产主义中国 现在 |
| 609 | Does anybody here remember kovat is our memory of anybody here? | 这里有人记得科瓦特吗? 我们记得这里有人吗? |
| 610 | Do you remember we didn't even have the capacity to make face masks let alone? | 你还记得我们连做面具的能力都没有吗? |
| 611 | Contribulators they told us the industry didn't matter, but industry is the key to sovereignty | 他们告诉我们 工业不重要 但工业是主权的关键 |
| 612 | Industry is the key because we can be self-sufficient in that way and the palsy that we confront now is a direct result | 工业是关键,因为我们可以这样自给自足 而我们现在面对的麻痹是直接的结果 |
| 613 | So Margaret Thatcher was righteously an opponent of Bolshevism of Russian communism | 所以玛格丽特·撒切尔是俄国共产主义的布尔什维克的对手 |
| 614 | I honor her on this. | 我很荣幸她这样做。 |
| 615 | I wish to say the mug I | 我想说杯子I |
| 616 | Really respect Margaret Thatcher as a huge figure in our politics | 真正尊重玛格丽特撒切尔 在我们的政治中是一个巨大的人物 |
| 617 | No question about that the three biggest figures in our politics of the last 50 years Margaret Thatcher Peter Maddelson and Nigel Farage | 毫无疑问,在过去50年里,我们政治中的三大人物 玛格丽特·撒切尔·彼得·马德森和奈杰尔·法拉吉 |
| 618 | We can do better, you know | 我们可以做得更好,你知道的 |
| 619 | But that but that's just the truth, but what we didn't see and what happened behind her back and our back | 但那只是事实 但我们没看到 发生在她背后和背后的事 |
| 620 | was that in | 是那个在 |
| 621 | defeating Soviet communism she liberated Chinese communism because they accepted | 打败苏联共产主义 她解放了中国共产主义 因为他们接受了 |
| 622 | Capitalism but without liberty without democracy | 资本主义,但没有自由,没有民主 |
| 623 | That's the legacy that we find and one of the reasons why we find ourselves in such a strange place | 这就是我们发现的遗产 也是我们发现自己 在这样一个奇怪的地方的原因之一 |
| 624 | And why did she do that? | 她为什么这么做? |
| 625 | Why did she break our industry? | 她为什么要破坏我们的产业? |
| 626 | Because of her loathing for the labor movement you understand the labor movement purely as sort of | 因为她对劳动运动的厌恶 你完全理解劳动运动 |
| 627 | Random strikes and bad welfare the labor movement buried the dead when they were they buried our dead when no one would bury them | 劳工运动把死者埋了 当他们埋葬我们的死者时 没人会埋葬他们 |
| 628 | They gave us | 他们给了我们 |
| 629 | Incredible association they built the workers education association so the workers could study | 不可思议的协会 他们建立了工人教育协会 以便工人可以学习 |
| 630 | They housed themselves now we could have a debate about what went wrong in | 他们自己住在这里 现在我们可以辩论一下 出了什么事 |
| 631 | 1945 and I'd like to participate in that debate | 1945年和我想参加辩论 |
| 632 | But the labor movement itself was a glory to our country committed to Liberty | 但劳动运动本身 是我们国家对自由的荣耀 |
| 633 | Committed to democracy and committed to Parliament | 致力于民主并致力于议会 |
| 634 | Look at what she left us by destroying that labor movement by destroying industry | 看看她通过破坏工业 摧毁了劳动运动留下了什么 |
| 635 | And everybody goes oh my god what happens they're also horrible no these are our people who have been betrayed | 每个人都去哦,我的上帝 发生了什么事,他们也是可怕的 没有这些是我们的人 谁被背叛了 |
| 636 | These are our people who have been left behind | 这些是我们被抛弃的人 |
| 637 | These are our people who told that wearing a clown outfit outside McDonald had equal status to being a minor | 这些人说,在麦当劳外穿小丑服 和未成年一样 |
| 638 | And that's wrong the dignity of labor and of working people also Margaret Thatcher to remember | 这是错误的 劳动和劳动人民的尊严 还有玛格丽特撒切尔的回忆 |
| 639 | No respect for place | 不尊重处所 |
| 640 | Everybody could move to London everybody get a job in the city | 每个人都可以搬去伦敦 每个人都可以在城里找份工作 |
| 641 | It was a really really horrible vision of a country that was no longer bound by | 这是一个真正可怕的愿景 一个不再受约束的国家 |
| 642 | solidarity by mutual respect and by love and had no sense of obligation to the people who fought for our country and | 互相尊重和爱的团结,对为我国而战的人民和 |
| 643 | Saved us from Nazism and the people who never accepted the allure of Bolshevism | 拯救我们脱离纳粹主义和从未接受布尔什维克诱惑的人民 |
| 644 | So bought us a country where beauty was defined purely in the eyes of the shareholder | 所以给我们买了一个 美在股东眼里被定义的国家 |
| 645 | So thank you Mark | 谢谢你,马克 |
| 646 | Where the notion of value was purely about price? | 价值的概念是纯粹关于价格的吗? |
| 647 | And we have paid for that in terms of loss of beauty loss of elegance and the loss of music | 我们为此付出了代价 失去了美貌 失去了优雅 失去了音乐 |
| 648 | Yes, please I | 是的,请 |
| 649 | haven't painted I | 没有画我 |
| 650 | Don't know what you're talking about. | 无量寿佛. |
| 651 | I | 一、导 言 |
| 652 | Just to let you know I prefer the 1950s and | 只是想告诉你我更喜欢20世纪50年代 |
| 653 | as my critics say | 正如我的批评家所说 |
| 654 | Although I do think that the 1970s was an amazing decade for television and music I do | 虽然我确实认为 1970年代 是一个惊人的十年 电视和音乐,我做的 |
| 655 | And it's interesting that we've just had rubbish ever since | 有趣的是,我们刚刚有了垃圾 从那时起 |
| 656 | But it no it was the deepening of democracy. | 但不是民主的深化。 |
| 657 | It was the the strengthening of solidarity | 这是加强团结 |
| 658 | I mean when I respond to you | 我的意思是当我回应你 |
| 659 | I say that Margaret Thatcher thought she was building a society fit for her father, but merely built one that benefited her son | 我说玛格丽特·撒切尔认为她正在建立一个适合她父亲的社会,但只是建造了一个有益于她儿子的社会. |
| 660 | So I think the deindustrialization is | 所以我认为去工业化是 |
| 661 | Deindustrialization is the root error. | 非工业化是根本错误. |
| 662 | So I don't think the contemporary politics is understood as left and right | 所以我不认为 当代政治被理解为左右 |
| 663 | I understand it as globalists and sovereigns is and Margaret Thatcher was a globalist ultimately | 我理解为全球主义者和君主是 玛格丽特撒切尔是全球主义者 |
| 664 | She signed through the EU. | 她通过欧盟签约. |
| 665 | She signed through muster | 她通过集合签名 |
| 666 | She allowed frightened to be developed which was dependent on the United States my hero Ernest Bevin | 她让恐惧的发展依赖于美国 我的英雄欧内斯特·贝文 |
| 667 | It's unbelievable to think this but he stood in 1948 at Labour Party conference | 没想到他竟然在1948年参加工党会议 |
| 668 | He said I want a bomb I want a bloody big bomb and I want the Union Jack on it and there was applause | 他说我要个炸弹 我要一个该死的大炸弹 我要联盟杰克在上面 |
| 669 | These are the changing times, but Margaret Thatcher was subordinate in the relationship to the United States | 这些是不断变化的时代 但玛格丽特·撒切尔在与美国的关系上是从属的 |
| 670 | Again, yeah. | 再来,是的。 |
| 671 | Oh, sorry. | 对不起 |
| 672 | I thought you were the same person | 我以为你是同一个人 |
| 673 | No disrespect | 没有不尊重 |
| 674 | Yeah, but I've always seen you know | 是啊,但我总是看到你知道 |
| 675 | Margaret Thatcher and the trots as as I'm trying to intimate to Jack don't go down that road as two cheeks of the same bottom | 玛格丽特·撒切尔和我和杰克的亲密关系 千万别走这条路 |
| 676 | so | 这样 |
| 677 | You know both both are globalist in their form | 你知道他们俩都是全球性的 |
| 678 | anti-democratic loathing of place and this debate is not about | 这场辩论不是关于 |
| 679 | It's like me dating as soon as it gets going. | 这就像我约会 一旦它开始。 |
| 680 | It's over | 结束了 |
| 681 | So I understand that so what I'm saying the final thing I'll say will I say I'm a politician and I'm a and I'm an academic | 所以,我明白,所以我所说的最后一件事 我会说,我是一个政治家,我是一个学者。 |
| 682 | Really strictly speaking. | 严格地说 |
| 683 | I never stopped talking and what I would say in terms of the welfare legacy | 我从来没有停止过说话 和我会说什么 关于福利遗产 |
| 684 | Pip what happened the question earlier about unemployment Margaret Thatcher concealed the unemployment with disability benefit | Pip 刚才关于失业的问题 玛格丽特·撒切尔用残疾津贴掩盖了失业 |
| 685 | that's her lasting legacy a | 这是她长久的遗产 |
| 686 | massive welfare burden an | 大规模福利负担a |
| 687 | insane | 神经病 |
| 688 | surplus of money going on | 现金盈余 |
| 689 | Disability that really she really didn't cut the welfare state what she did was destroyed our industry and destroyed the dignity of the people who come from | 残疾,她真的没有 削减福利状态 她做了什么 摧毁了我们的产业 并摧毁了尊严的人来自 |
| 690 | Your country and mine who thought they were part of this country, but they turned out to have no status about being | 你的国家和我的 认为他们是国家的一部分, 但事实证明他们没有地位 |
| 691 | Ronald McDonald | 罗纳德·麦当劳 |
| 692 | So what I would say to you is obviously | 所以我想跟你说的是 |
| 693 | It is your generation's responsibility to fashion a prosperous | 你们这代人有责任塑造一个繁荣的人 |
| 694 | Democratic country living under Liberty and a peace with itself | 生活在自由下的民主国家与自己和平相处 |
| 695 | I would say that the Thatcher legacy is anything but that and remember always that the people who do the real work the people | 我要说撒切尔的遗产 除了这个之外 永远记住 做真正工作的人 |
| 696 | Who stack the shelves we've there were three minutes in Cove it where we suddenly understood that work doesn't get done by magic | 谁把书架叠起来 我们在科维有三分钟 我们突然明白 工作不是靠魔法完成的 |
| 697 | But gets done by people urge you to remember that | 但被别人逼得要记住 |
| 698 | Margaret Thatcher liberated no one other than the Communist Party of China and that is her enduring legacy | 玛格丽特·撒切尔解放了除了中国共产党以外的任何人,这就是她持久的遗产. |
| 699 | Thank you very much Lord glassman | 非常感谢 玻璃人大人 |
| 700 | We now move to our second and final round of floor speeches would anyone like to speak in proposition of the motion again? | 我们现在进行第二轮也是最后一轮发言,有人愿意再次提出动议吗? |
| 701 | Please name in college, please | 请在大学里写名字 |
| 702 | I'm a Scott Matthew Keppel. | 我是斯科特·马修·基佩尔 |
| 703 | I go to Trinity | 我去三一大学 |
| 704 | I'm a bit conflicted on the motion tonight for obvious reasons of phrase ology and certain | 我今晚在动议上有点矛盾 原因很明显 语言学和确定 |
| 705 | incongruence of | 不一致 |
| 706 | But I think what the debates has got to is a certain point where we're thinking about how Margaret Thatcher has affected this country and | 但我认为辩论的要点是 我们思考玛格丽特撒切尔是如何影响这个国家的 |
| 707 | Affected the people within this country in a proletariat have whatever kind of substitute word you wish to put in for this | 在无产阶级中影响着这个国家的人民 有你想要加入的替代词 |
| 708 | And I think that there is a mistake in the phrasing and the framing of the debate where we seem to think that the I mean | 我认为在辩论的措辞和框架上 存在着一个错误 我们似乎认为 |
| 709 | Of course, I was alive in the 1970s, but it sounds like a whole an awful place to live | 当然,我活在1970年代, 但听起来就像一个可怕的地方 |
| 710 | You know, you have the three-day working week people working by candlelight | 你知道,你有三天的工作周 人们在烛光下工作 |
| 711 | you have the IMF bailout of | 你们有IMF的救助 |
| 712 | 3.9 billion pounds off from head I think it was and you've got people I mean | 从头上掉下来39亿磅,我想是的,你已经得到了人,我的意思是 |
| 713 | There was I mean crisis what crisis I mean do I need to say anymore? | 我是指危机,我是指危机 我还需要说什么? |
| 714 | It was very very evident that clearly the Labour government their position was untenable by 79 | 很明显,工党政府的立场 79 年是站不住脚的 |
| 715 | So the idea that the 80s was relatively speaking a worse place to live in is is not one that I can necessarily recognize | 因此,认为80年代相对来说是一个更糟糕的居住地点的想法,并不是我必然会认识到的. |
| 716 | now the the other contention is the one that | 现在另一个论点是 |
| 717 | the | 联合国 |
| 718 | Margaret Thatcher's reforms were beneficial to the proletariat in the immediate sense in the long term sense | 玛格丽特·撒切尔的改革对无产阶级有利 从长远的角度来看 |
| 719 | So in the immediate sense, I mean we can talk about privatization and we can talk about the state beforehand in terms of I think | 因此,从眼前的意义上来说, 我的意思是我们可以谈论私有化, 我们可以谈论国家 之前,我认为 |
| 720 | That it is even true that in terms of the nationalized industries | 甚至在国有化工业方面也是如此。 |
| 721 | There was even an ice cream company that was owned by the government in in the run-up to 1979 | 1979年之前甚至还有一家 由政府拥有的冰淇淋公司 |
| 722 | It was it was completely overbearing and this is obvious historically as we see by Lord Kinnock's | 这在历史上是显而易见的 从金诺克勋爵那里看 |
| 723 | Reflections upon that and I mean it is it is true that further than that that is true that the economic opportunities | 对这一点的思考,我的意思是,的确,除了这一点之外,经济机会是真实的。 |
| 724 | Everything else from the resultant shareholders from buying your own home that there was an immediate effect a relief | 由此带来的股东购买你自己的房子 带来的其他一切 立即产生效果 |
| 725 | which led her to win three election well two election victories after her first election and | 这使得她赢得了三次选举 在她第一次当选后两次选举胜利 |
| 726 | This this is undeniable and the fact that I mean she surely she couldn't have been able to win these elections | 这是不可否认的,我意思是 她肯定不可能赢得这些选举。 |
| 727 | It wasn't by virtue the fact that the working classes did give us some support | 并不是因为工人阶级给了我们一些支持 |
| 728 | However, I am conflicted because in the long term we can see that this necessarily | 但是,我感到很矛盾,因为从长远来看,我们可以看到,这必然是 |
| 729 | Isn't a full liberation of a kind of proletariat if we look at privatization in terms of things like water companies, for example | 如果我们从水公司的角度来看待私有化问题, 比方说, |
| 730 | I mean | 我是说 |
| 731 | I think we're the only country in the world with a privatized water system part from Chile | 我想我们是世界上唯一一个 从智利拥有私有化供水系统的国家 |
| 732 | Which is not a very good sign when you got private companies with absolute monopolies with no competition | 这不是个好兆头 当你有私人公司 绝对垄断 没有竞争 |
| 733 | You get to pump sewage into your systems | 你可以把污水泵进你的系统 |
| 734 | So there is there is a balancing act that needs to be done here between how we look at the proletariat in the immediate | 因此,有一个平衡的行动 在这里需要做 我们如何看待无产阶级 |
| 735 | Term and how Margaret Thatcher sort of fixed the country in the short term from being the sick man of Europe | 以及玛格丽特·撒切尔如何在短期内 使这个国家不再成为欧洲的病人 |
| 736 | Which it most definitely was to being a country and the mismanagement that comes after that because clearly it shouldn't be the end point in | 最肯定的是成为一个国家 以及之后的管理不善 因为这显然不应该是终点 |
| 737 | The story whether you blame Tony Blair or or consequential governments for that is beside the point | 无论是你责怪托尼・布莱尔 还是政府 都与此事无关 |
| 738 | But it can be seen to be contributing to much of the breakdown that we see in terms of the rise of | 但是,可以认为,这在很大程度上促成了我们看到的崩溃。 |
| 739 | Farage and this kind of react reactionary kind of attitudes the problems that we see in the fact that we haven't been able to kind | 法拉吉和这种反应 那种反动的态度 我们看到的问题 在事实上,我们没有能够调和 |
| 740 | Of fix that or agree on a consensus of how the government should be run | 要解决这个问题或就政府如何运作达成共识 |
| 741 | So that's that's pretty much the height of what I say | 所以这就是我所说的高度 |
| 742 | I'll be voting for it because I think in the short term | 我会投票支持它 因为我认为在短期内 |
| 743 | You couldn't conceive of a possible situation whereby the country could go on without a figure like Margaret Thatcher | 你无法想象一个可能的情况 国家可以继续 没有像玛格丽特撒切尔这样的人物 |
| 744 | Cleaning up the mess that had been left by previous decades of rotten stagnation. | 清理前几十年腐朽的停滞留下的混乱. |
| 745 | No, there was one more point which is um defense | 不,还有一点是防御 |
| 746 | I mean the point is very important on industry | 我的意思是,这一点对工业非常重要 |
| 747 | I mean we see the steelworks that could have been shut down in the north and all this kind of stuff and there is a | 我的意思是,我们看到钢铁工程 本来可以关闭 在北部和所有这些东西 |
| 748 | Point that we need to protect and of course, uh covid masks, etc | 指出我们需要保护 当然,呃 covid面具等 |
| 749 | Etc, you couldn't conceive of a possible situation whereby the country could go on without a figure like Margaret Thatcher | Etc,你不能想象一个可能的情况 国家可以继续 没有像玛格丽特撒切尔这样的人物 |
| 750 | It is not necessarily the case that we can say that the invisible hand works well if it's strangling the proletariat abroad. | 如果将无产阶级扼杀在国外,我们不一定可以说无形的手是好的. |
| 751 | Can we really say that it liberated the proletariat if it did that? | 我们真的能说,如果它这样做,它解放了无产阶级吗? |
| 752 | I think that is a very valid point and is almost enough to sway me into abstention. | 我认为这是一个非常正确的观点,几乎足以使我弃权。 |
| 753 | But unfortunately, I cannot conceive of a way that some figure like Kinnock or Foote could come in and do what Margaret Thatcher did | 但不幸的是 我无法想象金诺克或福特这样的人物 会像玛格丽特撒切尔那样进来 |
| 754 | and turn it around for the people of this country who demonstrably felt the benefits and re-elected her. | 并扭转它 这个国家的人民 谁明显感受到了好处 并再次当选她。 |
| 755 | So, yeah, that's it. | 所以,是的,就是这样。 |
| 756 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 757 | Would anyone like to speak in opposition to the motion? | 有人反对动议吗? |
| 758 | Name and college, please. | 姓名和大学,请。 |
| 759 | Alison, Jesus College. | 艾莉森,耶稣学院。 |
| 760 | Thank you, Mr. President, and thank you, Jack, for setting up this debate as your last one at the Union. | 谢谢你,总统先生 并感谢你,杰克, 安排这次辩论 作为你最后一次在联盟。 |
| 761 | It's certainly got a lot of people's backs up. | 它肯定有很多人的后援。 |
| 762 | The House believes that Margaret Thatcher liberated the proletariat. | 众议院认为玛格丽特·撒切尔解放了无产阶级. |
| 763 | Before I get carried away, it must be established what the proletariat is. | 在我被激怒之前,必须确定无产阶级是什么. |
| 764 | Assuming we're keeping to Marxist definitions, the proletariat is the class of people living in industrial areas and city centres | 假设我们坚持马克思主义的定义 无产阶级是生活在工业区和城市中心的阶级 |
| 765 | who rely on selling their labour to the means of production. | 他们依靠把劳动力卖给生产资料。 |
| 766 | In this country, the only proletariat I can see that was left by the time Thatcher came to power | 在这个国家,我唯一能看到的无产阶级 在撒切尔上台的时候 |
| 767 | were shipbuilders and the miners in the north of England and in Wales, | 是英格兰北部和威尔士的造船者和矿工, |
| 768 | whose livelihood and communities were decimated by her actions, | 他们的生计和社区被她的行为所毁灭, |
| 769 | effectively removing them from existence by removing the industry in which they were working | 通过消除他们从事的行业,有效地消除他们的存在; |
| 770 | and, as such, reducing them to jobs in a weak service economy or no jobs at all. | 因此,在服务经济薄弱或根本没有工作的情况下,她们只能从事工作。 |
| 771 | Therefore, saying that Thatcher liberated this group is like saying Voldemort saved Harry Potter from a boring life. | 因此,说撒切尔解放了这个团体 就像说伏地魔拯救了哈利波特 从无聊的生活。 |
| 772 | It may work semantically if you try really hard, Thatcher destroyed the existence of the proletariat | 撒切尔摧毁了无产阶级的存在 |
| 773 | and therefore liberated them from the label, | 于是,他们从标签中解放出来, |
| 774 | but it is not a fair representation of the real effect the actions of Thatcher or Voldemort had. | 但是,这并不能公正地反映撒切尔或伏地魔的行动所产生的真正影响。 |
| 775 | Meanwhile, the rest of the working class in the UK was similarly destroyed, | 同时,英国其他工人阶级也同样被摧毁, |
| 776 | with unemployment more than doubling when she took office at its highest point in 1984 | 1984年她上任时失业率翻了一番以上 |
| 777 | and house prices similarly tripling during her premiership. | 在她上任期间,房价也上涨了三倍 |
| 778 | This condemned people to a lifetime of instability and set our country on the course it is now following, | 这使人们终生处于不稳定之中,使我国走上了现在的道路, |
| 779 | with more and more people being forced into inconsistent, poorly paid work or out of work altogether. | 越来越多的人被迫从事不一致、工资低或完全失业的工作。 |
| 780 | In the rest of the world, the actions of Thatcher and her neoliberal friends | 在世界其他地区,撒切尔和她的新自由主义朋友的行动 |
| 781 | actually created a proletariat rather than liberating anyone | 实际上创造了一个无产阶级 而不是解放任何人 |
| 782 | through the exportation of industry to cheaper states with weaker labour protection laws such as China and India. | 将工业出口到中国和印度等劳动保护法较弱的较廉价国家。 |
| 783 | This shows that far from liberating anyone, | 这表明,远远没有解放任何人, |
| 784 | Thatcher helped to condemn a new proletariat group to a life of poor wages and abusive workplace practice | 撒切尔帮助将一个新的无产阶级组织 推向低工资的生活和虐待性的工作习惯 |
| 785 | whilst taking away the work which others had relied on and pushing them towards dependence on the state. | 并把他们推向对国家的依赖。 |
| 786 | Margaret Thatcher did not liberate the proletariat | 玛格丽特撒切尔没有解放无产阶级 |
| 787 | and she did not improve the lives of anyone in this country | 她没有改善这个国家任何人的生活 |
| 788 | apart from those who already had the money to invest in private industry. | 除了那些已经有钱投资私人工业的人 |
| 789 | And I implore anyone who recognises this to vote against this motion. | 我恳求任何承认这一点的人 投票反对这个动议。 |
| 790 | Finally, I must say congratulations to Jack for setting up this debate. | 最后,我必须祝贺杰克安排这次辩论。 |
| 791 | I hope he's done well in his exams | 希望他考试成绩不错 |
| 792 | and will go on to fully appreciate the job market that Thatcher has supposedly brought us. | 并会继续 充分欣赏就业市场 撒切尔已经给我们带来。 |
| 793 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 794 | We now move to abstention. | 我们现在弃权。 |
| 795 | Would anyone like to speak in abstention to the motion? | 有人想对动议投弃权票吗? |
| 796 | Hi, Lily, Claire, Colin. | 嗨,莉莉,克莱尔,科林。 |
| 797 | A little bit controversial, but I don't think this House cares about the proletariat | 有点争议 但我不认为这个院 关心无产阶级 |
| 798 | and I'm not even going to use that term. | 我甚至不会使用这个词。 |
| 799 | This House doesn't care about working people. | 本院不关心劳动人民. |
| 800 | Let's not distance ourselves from those | 我们不要离那些东西远一点 |
| 801 | who are the backbone of this country | 他们是这个国家的骨干 |
| 802 | through intellectualisms. | 通过知识主义。 |
| 803 | With all due respect, two Lords | 恕我直言,两位大人 |
| 804 | on a debate discussing the proletariat | 关于讨论无产阶级的辩论 |
| 805 | and no Marxists and no radical left | 没有马克思主义者和激进的左翼 |
| 806 | is represented. | 现由律师代理。 |
| 807 | Again. | 再来 |
| 808 | This House fears correction | 这座宫殿害怕纠正 |
| 809 | and it fears the working class | 它害怕工人阶级 |
| 810 | because if it included Marxists | 因为如果包括马克思主义者 |
| 811 | they would pull the thread of the Union's | 他们会牵动工会的线 |
| 812 | elitism and exclusivity. | 精英主义和排他主义。 |
| 813 | Who knows less? | 谁知道少? |
| 814 | Let's not trivialise | 别小题大做 |
| 815 | there's so many socialists | 这么多的社会主义者 |
| 816 | and Marxists but they're never | 和马克思主义者,但他们从来没有 |
| 817 | invited to the Union and I wonder | 被邀请来联盟,我想知道 |
| 818 | why? | 为什么? |
| 819 | Because who knows | 因为谁知道 |
| 820 | less about working people's lives | 少谈劳动人民的生活 |
| 821 | than Lords? | 比领主还重要吗? |
| 822 | We were all in this | 我们都是这样 |
| 823 | debate feeling good about ourselves as | 辩论对我们的感觉很好 |
| 824 | progressives and get a drink in the bar | 进步者到酒吧喝一杯 |
| 825 | and it shows that working class | 它表明工人阶级 |
| 826 | people's lives are collateral in these discussions | 人们的生命是这些讨论的抵押品 |
| 827 | and so I'm arguing that this | 所以我认为 |
| 828 | debate motion is void and inherently | 辩论动议是无效和内在的 |
| 829 | so. | 所以说 So. |
| 830 | We can debate | 我们可以辩论 |
| 831 | semantics to tell | 要讲的语义 |
| 832 | anecdotes of personal success. | 个人成功的传闻。 |
| 833 | My parents started their family 18-2 | 我的父母开始他们的家庭 18 -2 |
| 834 | rented and then bought their Council House | 租了,然后买了他们的议会大厦 |
| 835 | and have had successful productive | 并成功生产, |
| 836 | careers and look where I am | 事业,看看我在哪里 |
| 837 | at Cambridge. | 在剑桥 |
| 838 | The irony does not escape | 讽刺是逃不掉的 |
| 839 | me but this success exists | 我,但这个成功存在 |
| 840 | in a vacuum. | 在真空中。 |
| 841 | You ignore systematic | 你无视系统 |
| 842 | disadvantages because they are | 缺点,因为它们是 |
| 843 | convenient to your discomfort | 方便于您的不适 |
| 844 | to your comfort, sorry. | 以你的舒适,对不起。 |
| 845 | Margaret Thatcher | 玛格丽特·撒切尔 |
| 846 | ripped the heart out of this country | 把心挖出这个国家 |
| 847 | but she dressed this up through a progression of the middle | 但她穿这个穿 通过一个进步的中间 |
| 848 | class. | 课。 |
| 849 | Privatisation is | 私有化 |
| 850 | good. | 不错 |
| 851 | You will have a house | 你会有一个房子 |
| 852 | yet two and a half million homes are privatised. | 然而,250万户家庭被私有化。 |
| 853 | Housing crisis? | 住房危机? |
| 854 | She created it. | 她创造了它。 |
| 855 | Mental health crisis | 心理健康危机 |
| 856 | amongst working men in this country | 这个国家的工人中 |
| 857 | created through a cumulative destruction | 通过累积销毁而创建 |
| 858 | of generational work. | 代际工作。 |
| 859 | This house does not care about the working class | 这房子不在乎工人阶级 |
| 860 | because it's not built for the working class | 因为它不是为工人阶级建造的 |
| 861 | so let's not patronise and insult. | 因此,我们不要轻视和侮辱。 |
| 862 | Now because we've been sharing quotes | 现在,因为我们一直在分享引文 |
| 863 | and anecdotes, I'm going to share | 和传闻,我要分享 |
| 864 | one that I hope some people will know | 我希望有人会知道 |
| 865 | from Brastoff. | 从布拉斯托夫。 |
| 866 | What's he doing? | 他在干吗? |
| 867 | He can take John Lennon | 他可以带走约翰列侬 |
| 868 | he can take those three young | 他可以带那三个年轻人 |
| 869 | lads down at Ainslie Pit. | 在安斯利坑的孩子们 |
| 870 | He's | 琌 |
| 871 | even thinking of taking My Old Man | 甚至想带走我的老人 |
| 872 | and Margaret Bloody Thatcher lives. | 玛格丽特・血腥 撒切尔还活着。 |
| 873 | What's he starting playing at, eh? | 他开始玩什么? |
| 874 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 875 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 876 | We now move on to our | 我们现在继续前进 |
| 877 | final round of speakers. | 最后一轮发言者。 |
| 878 | Starting | 开始 |
| 879 | off in proposition | 在提议中 |
| 880 | to the motion, Lord Hannan, | 对动议,汉南大人, |
| 881 | the Director of the Institute | 研究所所长 |
| 882 | of Economic Affairs, the oldest free | 经济事务,最古老的自由 |
| 883 | market think tank in the world. | 市场智库在世界上。 |
| 884 | He is a newspaper columnist and the author | 他是报纸专栏作家和作者 |
| 885 | of nine books, including the Sunday | 包括星期日在内的九本书 |
| 886 | Times bestseller, How We Invented | 时代畅销书,我们是如何发明的 |
| 887 | Freedom. | 自由权。 |
| 888 | Lord Hannan, | 汉南大人 |
| 889 | you have the ears of the house. | 你有这房子的耳朵。 |
| 890 | Mr. President, | 主席先生, |
| 891 | ladies and gentlemen, | 女士们,先生们, |
| 892 | the birdsong is sweetest | 鸟儿最甜 |
| 893 | after days of rain. | 经过几天的雨。 |
| 894 | The hearth is warmer and brighter | 耳机更温暖更亮 |
| 895 | when we come in from a cold | 当我们从寒冷中进来时 |
| 896 | dark night. | 黑暗的夜晚 黑暗的夜晚 黑暗的夜晚 黑暗的夜晚 黑暗的夜晚 |
| 897 | And so it is impossible | 所以这是不可能的 |
| 898 | to appreciate the magnitude | 来理解其规模 |
| 899 | of Margaret Thatcher's achievement | 玛格丽特撒切尔的成就 |
| 900 | unless we first | 除非我们先 |
| 901 | understand the calamity | 你应当了解灾难, |
| 902 | that | 那个 |
| 903 | had immediately preceded | 刚刚开始 |
| 904 | | |
| 905 | We heard some | 我们听到一些 |
| 906 | of the details from | 详细情况 |
| 907 | your ex-president. | 你的前任总统。 |
| 908 | The three day week, imagine that, the government | 这三天的周,想象一下,政府 |
| 909 | obliging you by law | 法律强制你 |
| 910 | not to work more than a limited | 不工作超过有限 |
| 911 | time. | 时间。 |
| 912 | The government laying down | 政府规定 |
| 913 | prices and incomes as | 价格和收入 |
| 914 | matters of | 一、导 言 |
| 915 | policy. | 政策。 |
| 916 | Indeed, I should | 确实,我应该 |
| 917 | stress that I am a non-binary | 强调我是非二进制 |
| 918 | pair, if that's the word I want. | 双胞胎,如果这就是我想要的词。 |
| 919 | I'm not in either of the main parties | 我不参加任何一次主要派对 |
| 920 | and the conservative | 和保守派, |
| 921 | party pre-Thatcher is | 派对前撒切尔是 |
| 922 | certainly not going to get off | 当然不会下车的 |
| 923 | lightly in my speech. | 轻轻地在我的演讲。 |
| 924 | But I want you to remember, those of you, unlike | 但我希望你记住,你们中的人,不像 |
| 925 | Mr. Drayford, who weren't alive, can try and | Drayford先生,他还活着,可以尝试 |
| 926 | picture it. | 想象一下吧 想象一下 |
| 927 | Trade | 贸易 |
| 928 | union leaders being better | 工会领导人状况好转 |
| 929 | known household names than cabinet | 已知的家名比柜子多 |
| 930 | ministers. | 大臣们 |
| 931 | In 1979, | 1979年时 |
| 932 | 29.2 | 29.2 联合国 |
| 933 | million days were lost to strikes. | 损失了百万天的罢工。 |
| 934 | Imagine what that means, that the trains aren't running, | 想象一下那是什么意思, 火车没有运行, |
| 935 | the gravediggers aren't working, | 掘墓者不工作, |
| 936 | the bin men aren't working. | 垃圾桶的人没有工作。 |
| 937 | Picture life like that. | 想象这样的生活。 |
| 938 | Henry Kissinger said | 亨利·基辛格说 |
| 939 | Britain | 英国 |
| 940 | is a tragedy. | 是一个悲剧。 |
| 941 | It has been reduced to begging, | 被减为乞讨, |
| 942 | borrowing and stealing. | 借钱偷钱 |
| 943 | The Wall Street Journal | 华尔街日报 |
| 944 | {\fn黑体\fs20\shad2\2aH82\3aH20\4aH33\fscx95\3cH592001\be1}1979年 更进一步说 | |
| 945 | pithily still. | 仍然很紧张。 |
| 946 | Goodbye, Britain. | 再见,英国 |
| 947 | It was nice knowing you. | 很高兴认识你 |
| 948 | And one woman | 一个女人 |
| 949 | refused to accept | 拒绝接受 |
| 950 | that there was | 这是 |
| 951 | anything inescapable about | 任何不可回避的东西 |
| 952 | decline. | 减少。 |
| 953 | I can't bear Britain | 我不能忍受英国 |
| 954 | in decline, she said. | 她说,在下降。 |
| 955 | I can't bear it. | 我无法忍受 |
| 956 | And she turned | 她转身 |
| 957 | things around by force of will | 随心所欲 |
| 958 | and by liberating | 和释放 |
| 959 | the genius of a free people. | 一个自由民族的天才 |
| 960 | She didn't close down | 她没有关门 |
| 961 | industries, she didn't pass laws | 行业,她没有通过法律 |
| 962 | saying that it was illegal to mine coal or | 说开采煤炭是非法的 |
| 963 | to build ships. | 建造船只。 |
| 964 | She just moved | 她刚搬家 |
| 965 | the rocks | 石头 |
| 966 | and let the grass grow. | 并让草种. |
| 967 | And Britain went from being | 英国从此 |
| 968 | the slowest growing economy | 最缓慢的经济增长 |
| 969 | in Western Europe in the 1970s | 1970年代西欧 |
| 970 | to being the | 成为 |
| 971 | fastest in the 1980s, | 20世纪80年代最快 |
| 972 | apart from Spain, which was bouncing | 除了西班牙,它正在兴起 |
| 973 | back from an even | 从偶数回来 |
| 974 | lower place. | 低点 |
| 975 | I love the way the President has filled | 我喜欢总统的填充方式 |
| 976 | the room by his controversial phrasing, | 以他有争议的措辞, |
| 977 | but she would not have recognized the | 但她不会承认 |
| 978 | word proletariat. | 无产阶级一词。 |
| 979 | She'd have said | 她会说 |
| 980 | that's an enemy from the other side, | 那是来自另一边的敌人 |
| 981 | we shouldn't play that game. | 我们不应该玩那个游戏。 |
| 982 | In fact, | 事实上, |
| 983 | she got very cross with a conservative | 她和保守派很对劲 |
| 984 | 记者叫Peregrine Wursten | |
| 985 | writing about the bourgeoisie. | 写资产阶级。 |
| 986 | Dear Perry, | 亲爱的佩里, |
| 987 | she said, why does he keep talking about the bourgeois? | 她说,他为什么老是谈论资产阶级? |
| 988 | Why can't he find a good | 为什么他找不到好人 |
| 989 | plain English word to describe the | 用于描述 |
| 990 | plain people of this country? | 这个国家的普通人? |
| 991 | The bourgeois | 资产阶级 |
| 992 | live in France, | 住在法国 |
| 993 | and she'd have had very similar | 她会有非常相似的 |
| 994 | views, and yet, the | 观点,然而, |
| 995 | real proletariat that she | 真正的无产阶级,她 |
| 996 | liberated, because I don't | 解放了,因为我没有 |
| 997 | really ever think there was a, I've never accepted | 我从未接受过 |
| 998 | the Marxist terminology, and I think that | 马克思主义的术语, 我认为 |
| 999 | people moved very naturally into being | 人们自然而然地走向 |
| 1000 | homeowners and share owners and all the rest of it, | 房屋所有者和所有者, |
| 1001 | just as they moved naturally to selling their | 就像他们自然地搬去卖 |
| 1002 | labor in a way that maximizes | 以最大限度的方式进行劳动 |
| 1003 | people's mutual happiness | 人们的幸福 |
| 1004 | and contentment. | 和满足。 |
| 1005 | But she did liberate | 但她确实解放了 |
| 1006 | a couple of proletariats out there. | 外面有几个无产阶级 |
| 1007 | | |
| 1008 | liberated the proletariat | 解放无产阶级 |
| 1009 | of the smokestack industries of | 烟雾工业 |
| 1010 | the Warsaw Pact by standing | 华沙条约 |
| 1011 | firm against communist expansionism | 坚决反对共产主义扩张主义 |
| 1012 | and allowing hundreds of | 并允许数百人 |
| 1013 | millions of people to escape | 数百万人要逃跑 |
| 1014 | from the most lethal ideology | 从最致命的意识形态 |
| 1015 | ever devised | 曾经设计 |
| 1016 | by human intelligence. | 人类的智慧 |
| 1017 | She liberated | 她已经解放了 |
| 1018 | the proletariat of Argentina, | 阿根廷的无产阶级, |
| 1019 | which had been living under a military | 曾经生活在军队统治下 |
| 1020 | dictatorship where trade union leaders | 工会领导人的独裁统治 |
| 1021 | were rounded up and leftist agitators | 被包围 左派煽动者 |
| 1022 | were thrown out of newspapers, and she set | 被从报纸上扔出去,她开始 |
| 1023 | that country on a path to democracy | 国家走向民主之路 |
| 1024 | and prosperity that is now peaking | 和繁荣,现在正在达到顶峰 |
| 1025 | in the extraordinary advances being | 特别预付款 |
| 1026 | made by its first free market government since | 自由市场政府 |
| 1027 | the early 19th century. | 19世纪初 |
| 1028 | Yes, sir? | 是,长官? |
| 1029 | So she was, I'm sure, | 所以,我敢肯定,她是一个 |
| 1030 | personally responsible for throwing | 扔东西的个人责任 |
| 1031 | all of those Chileans | 这些智利人 |
| 1032 | out of airplanes, and it is fascinating, | 从飞机上起飞,很迷人 |
| 1033 | isn't it? | 是吗? |
| 1034 | The way we ascribe | 我们的书法 |
| 1035 | these extraordinary powers, | 这些非凡的权力, |
| 1036 | Voldemort, we heard a moment ago, she is | 伏地魔,我们刚才听说,她是 |
| 1037 | responsible for Pinochet. | 对皮诺切特负责 |
| 1038 | There is no | 没有 |
| 1039 | other figure in British history | 英国历史上的其他人物 |
| 1040 | to whom the other | 对方 |
| 1041 | side ascribes these absolutely | 边写这些绝对 |
| 1042 | awesome powers of | 令人惊叹的力量 |
| 1043 | being able to do everything that I didn't | 能够做我没有做的事 |
| 1044 | like. | 喜欢。 |
| 1045 | It's become | 它变成了 |
| 1046 | a sort of shorthand for something | 某种简称 |
| 1047 | of which I disapprove, | 我不赞成 |
| 1048 | but I have to come back and ask | 但我必须回来问 |
| 1049 | the Neil Kinnock | 尼尔·金诺克 |
| 1050 | question. | 问题。 |
| 1051 | If | 若为 |
| 1052 | it was so bad, | 这太糟糕了, |
| 1053 | which bits of it | 哪一点 |
| 1054 | do we want to change? | 我们想要改变吗? |
| 1055 | Maybe there are people in this room | 也许这房间里有人 |
| 1056 | who would want to renationalize | 谁想重新国有化 |
| 1057 | British airways, renationalize | 英国航道,重新国有化 |
| 1058 | British telecoms, possibly | 英国电信,可能 |
| 1059 | even the ice cream company. | 甚至还有冰淇淋公司 |
| 1060 | I don't know. | 师曰. |
| 1061 | There may | 有可能会 |
| 1062 | even, there is | 甚至,还有 |
| 1063 | a kind of order even in this union, | 一种秩序 即使在这个联盟, |
| 1064 | Mr. Hitchens, and we follow it, and it requires | 希钦斯先生,我们遵循它,它需要 |
| 1065 | you to speak in a particular | 说一个特定的 |
| 1066 | way. | 就是这样 |
| 1067 | Please don't interrupt from a sedentary position. | 请不要打断一个固定位置。 |
| 1068 | Even if you would... | 即使你会... |
| 1069 | British airways or the other | 英国的航道或其他 |
| 1070 | privatized industry you mentioned, or any of the privatized industries, | 你提到的私有化产业 或任何私有化产业, |
| 1071 | so British telecom, | 所以,英国电信, |
| 1072 | so wonderful now | 如此美妙的现在 |
| 1073 | that it justifies their privatization. | 说明它们有理由实行私有化。 |
| 1074 | Oh, come on. | 哦,来吧。 |
| 1075 | You are old enough to remember | 你已经够老了,记得 |
| 1076 | what they were like before. | 他们以前的样子 |
| 1077 | I do remember. | 我记得 |
| 1078 | Exactly. | 没错 |
| 1079 | I am | 对 |
| 1080 | old enough to remember what they were like before, which you are | 年纪够大了 记得他们以前的样子 |
| 1081 | not. | 没有 |
| 1082 | I can well remember. | 我完全记得 |
| 1083 | Do you know how long did it take | 你知道花了多长时间 |
| 1084 | a telephone to be installed in your house | 电话要安装在你家里 |
| 1085 | in the 1970s, in the extraordinary | 1970年代,在非常时期 |
| 1086 | thing that you had to wait for the state telephone | 你不得不等待 国家电话 |
| 1087 | company to come around? | 公司来吗? |
| 1088 | Oh, I don't know, comrade. | 哦,我不知道,同志们。 |
| 1089 | We can do it on the 16th of March. | 我们可以在3月16日做到这一点。 |
| 1090 | I've got the | 我拿着 |
| 1091 | plumber coming in the morning. | 水管工早上来 |
| 1092 | Have you discovered what happens if you want to | 你发现会发生什么 如果你想 |
| 1093 | keep your telephone in... | 把你的电话放在... |
| 1094 | Please, no back and forth. | 请无前后. |
| 1095 | We have moved. | 我们已经搬走了。 |
| 1096 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 1097 | We have moved | 我们搬家了 |
| 1098 | in my lifetime from a | 在我的一生从一个 |
| 1099 | world where literally | 世界的字面意义 |
| 1100 | people would be waiting for | 人们会等待 |
| 1101 | weeks or months for the state | 每周或月数 |
| 1102 | monopoly to come and install a telephone | 独家来安装电话 |
| 1103 | line because that's what nationalisation meant | 意思是国有化 |
| 1104 | to a world where we have phones that work in the | 我们的电话在... |
| 1105 | desert and that put more information | 沙漠和那 带来了更多的信息 |
| 1106 | into our hands than an | 落入我们手中 |
| 1107 | entire government would have had in the | 整个政府本会拥有 |
| 1108 | 1970s. | 20世纪70年代. |
| 1109 | And it was not nationalisation | 这不是国有化 |
| 1110 | that did that. | 就是这样 |
| 1111 | It was free | 这是免费的 |
| 1112 | enterprise because we were able to | 企业,因为我们能够 |
| 1113 | liberate people. | 解放众生. |
| 1114 | And if, even if | 如果,即使 |
| 1115 | eccentrically | 离心动心 |
| 1116 | you are with Peter Hitchens in wanting | 你和彼得・希钦斯在一起 |
| 1117 | to renationalise all of these | 将所有这些重新国有化 |
| 1118 | utilities, what else would you do? | 公用事业,你还会做什么? |
| 1119 | Would you | 你会吗? |
| 1120 | renationalise the houses? | 把房子重新收归国有? |
| 1121 | Would you roll | 你会滚 |
| 1122 | back the right to buy? | 回来买东西? |
| 1123 | And put those in states | 把这些放在州里 |
| 1124 | I'm not going to take any more. | 我不会再吃了 |
| 1125 | Would you | 你会吗? |
| 1126 | put the Falkland Islands | 把福克兰群岛 |
| 1127 | under Argentine rule? | 在阿根廷统治下? |
| 1128 | Much more congenial | 更温和 |
| 1129 | now than it would have been under Galtieri. | 现在比在Galtieri手下还重要 |
| 1130 | Would you roll that back? | 你能把它滚回去吗? |
| 1131 | Would you | 你会吗? |
| 1132 | send men underground | 派人潜入地下 |
| 1133 | to breathe coal dust | 呼吸煤尘 |
| 1134 | in order to power | 为了权力 |
| 1135 | an economy based on | 经济、社会、文化权利委员会 |
| 1136 | coal? | 煤吗? |
| 1137 | Because | 因为 |
| 1138 | if you wouldn't do those things, | 如果你不这样做, |
| 1139 | then I put it to you that your anti- | 然后我告诉你你的反... |
| 1140 | postion is a fundamentally | 从本质上讲,邮资是 |
| 1141 | aesthetic rather than real | 美学而非真实 |
| 1142 | position. | 立场。 |
| 1143 | Because you're accepting | 因为你接受 |
| 1144 | the necessity of what happened. | 发生的事情的必要性。 |
| 1145 | The shift to services that happened | 向服务业的转变 |
| 1146 | in every industrialised country in the | 在每一个工业化国家中 |
| 1147 | world. | 这个世界 |
| 1148 | We did it more | 我们做了更多 |
| 1149 | efficiently, we grew faster, and we were | 我们成长得更快,我们 |
| 1150 | a more successful economy | 经济更加成功 |
| 1151 | at the end of it. | 在它的结尾。 |
| 1152 | But unless you want | 不过除非你想 |
| 1153 | to go back to the state | 回到国家去 |
| 1154 | owning all of these things, Soviet-style, | 拥有所有这些东西,苏联式的, |
| 1155 | then you have fundamentally | 那么,你从根本上来说, |
| 1156 | accepted the validity | 接受有效性 |
| 1157 | of the Thatcher achievement. | 撒切尔的成就。 |
| 1158 | Now, I don't say this | 现在,我不说这个 |
| 1159 | to minimise | 最小化 |
| 1160 | the anguish caused | 造成的痛苦 |
| 1161 | transitionally by deindustrialisation. | 由去工业化过渡. |
| 1162 | It's a hell | 这是地狱 |
| 1163 | of a thing to go through. | 一个东西要经历。 |
| 1164 | I | 一、导 言 |
| 1165 | used to be an elected politician. | 曾为民选政治家. |
| 1166 | I didn't have a lot of heavy industry in my | 我没什么重工业 |
| 1167 | patch, I covered the south-east of England, | 补丁,我覆盖了英格兰东南部, |
| 1168 | but there was one big exception, which was | 但有一个很大的例外,那就是 |
| 1169 | the shipyard in Chatham, in Kent. | 在肯特的查塔姆造船厂 |
| 1170 | It had employed | 它雇用了 |
| 1171 | 10 or 12,000 people at height. | 身高10或12,000人. |
| 1172 | And it had closed in 1984, | 它于1984年关闭, |
| 1173 | I think, just when all of the steel mills | 我想,当所有的钢铁厂 |
| 1174 | and coal mines were closing | 煤矿正在关闭 |
| 1175 | around the country. | 全国各地 |
| 1176 | And there were | 还有 |
| 1177 | still people who were angry about it, and I understood | 仍然有人对此感到愤怒 我明白 |
| 1178 | that. | 那个 |
| 1179 | Come and have a go at me. | 来打我一拳 |
| 1180 | That evil | 那个邪恶 |
| 1181 | witch Thatcher, she hated the working class. | 撒切尔女巫 她讨厌工人阶级 |
| 1182 | Who wouldn't be angry? | 谁不会生气? |
| 1183 | I'm sorry, I'm not going to take any more now. | 对不起,我现在不拿了 |
| 1184 | The quote that was used up earlier. | 刚才用过的引文 |
| 1185 | Who wouldn't be angry | 谁不会生气 |
| 1186 | in that situation? | 在那种情况下? |
| 1187 | You've got a perfectly good job as a welder, you | 你做焊接工的工作很好 |
| 1188 | lose it in your forties, you're now going to work as a security guard. | 失去它 在你的40年代, 你现在要去工作 作为一个保安。 |
| 1189 | But, it is | 但是,这是 |
| 1190 | only fair | 纯洁 |
| 1191 | to tell that story | 告诉那个故事 |
| 1192 | right through to the end. | 从头到尾 |
| 1193 | Unemployment in that constituency, | 该选区的失业率, |
| 1194 | going into the pandemic, was 1.4%. | 进入大流行,是1.4%。 |
| 1195 | There are now more people working | 现在有更多的人工作 |
| 1196 | on the site of the old | 在旧址上 |
| 1197 | shipyard than when it was a shipyard. | 比起当时的造船厂 |
| 1198 | And what are they doing? | 他们在做什么? |
| 1199 | Well, there's a university there, there's some heritage | 那里有所大学,有些传统 |
| 1200 | tourism, but the biggest employer there | 旅游,但最大的雇主在那里 |
| 1201 | is the audiovisual sector. | 是视听部门。 |
| 1202 | The grandsons | 孙子们 |
| 1203 | of those guys who were bashing | 那些打人的家伙,他们 |
| 1204 | metal for a living, are now | 金属为生,现在 |
| 1205 | living better | 过上更好的生活 |
| 1206 | and doing much easier jobs. | 做更轻松的工作 |
| 1207 | Do we really want to go back? | 我们真的想回去吗? |
| 1208 | My paternal, sorry, my maternal | 我的父亲,对不起,我的妈妈 |
| 1209 | grandfather was a shipyard worker | 爷爷是船厂工人 |
| 1210 | on the Clyde. | 在克莱德。 |
| 1211 | He had the typical, unhealthy | 他有一个典型的,不健康的 |
| 1212 | West of Scotland lifestyle, he smoked very heavily. | 苏格兰西部的生活方式,他吸烟非常严重. |
| 1213 | He died when he was, I think, sixty. | 他死了的时候,我想,60。 |
| 1214 | So I never met him. | 所以我从来没有见过他。 |
| 1215 | So I never had the chance to | 所以我从来没有机会 |
| 1216 | ask him whether he | 问他是否 |
| 1217 | would have been determined to keep | 将决定保留 |
| 1218 | that industry going at whatever cost | 这个行业不惜一切代价 |
| 1219 | to the taxpayer and the wider economy | 对纳税人和广大经济体的影响 |
| 1220 | in order to | 以便 |
| 1221 | maintain that privileged | 保持这种特权 |
| 1222 | sector. | 部门。 |
| 1223 | But I have a pretty | 但我有一个漂亮的 |
| 1224 | shrewd idea | 聪明的主意 |
| 1225 | that if he could see the lifestyles that my cousins | 如果他能看到我表妹们的生活方式 |
| 1226 | and I have now, he | 现在我有了,他 |
| 1227 | would not have wanted us to | 本来不希望我们 |
| 1228 | follow him into that hard | 跟着他走 |
| 1229 | and brutal life. | 和残酷的生活。 |
| 1230 | So ladies and gentlemen, | 女士们,先生们, |
| 1231 | I'm going to ask you to think | 我要请你想想 |
| 1232 | about what the country | 关于这个国家 |
| 1233 | would have been like had | 会像曾经 |
| 1234 | the Thatcher moment not happened. | 撒切尔的那一刻没有发生 |
| 1235 | And actually, | 事实上, |
| 1236 | we may be about to test | 我们可能即将测试 |
| 1237 | that thesis in real time | 即时论文 |
| 1238 | because now, as in the 70s, | 因为现在,像70年代, |
| 1239 | we have two parties | 我们有两个派对 |
| 1240 | that are effectively unwilling | 实际不愿意 |
| 1241 | to challenge a high | 挑战高 |
| 1242 | spending, high tax, high borrowing | 支出、高税收、高借贷 |
| 1243 | and regulatory | 和监管 |
| 1244 | consensus. | 协商一致。 |
| 1245 | And we may well find out | 我们可能会发现 |
| 1246 | what happens if no Thatcher | 如果没有撒切尔怎么办? |
| 1247 | comes to change our trajectory | 来改变我们的轨迹 |
| 1248 | and the country becomes more | 国家变得更加强大 |
| 1249 | and more indebted and | 和更多的负债, |
| 1250 | less and less competitive until | 竞争越来越少,直到 |
| 1251 | eventually it collapses. | 最终它崩溃了。 |
| 1252 | I don't expect to | 我没想到 |
| 1253 | convince in this debate | 在这场辩论中说服 |
| 1254 | the eternal anti- | 永远的反... |
| 1255 | Thatcherites. | 撒切尔人。 |
| 1256 | They | 他们 |
| 1257 | can't forgive that she took | 不能原谅她带走了 |
| 1258 | a country that they had left | 他们离开的国家 |
| 1259 | ruined and dishonoured | 毁于一旦, |
| 1260 | and she left it confident and | 她留下了自信, |
| 1261 | prosperous and free. | 繁荣自由。 |
| 1262 | Theirs | 他们的 |
| 1263 | is the rage of | 是愤怒的, |
| 1264 | the Taliban. | 塔利班组织。 |
| 1265 | But you, | 不过你 |
| 1266 | ladies and gentlemen, you will have the opportunity | 女士们,先生们,你们将有机会 |
| 1267 | to prove yourselves | 证明自己 |
| 1268 | worthy of your grandparents | 值得你祖父母照顾 |
| 1269 | and elect another | 并选出另一个 |
| 1270 | Margaret Thatcher. | 玛格丽特撒切尔 |
| 1271 | Thank you very much, Lord Hannan. | 非常感谢,汉南大人 |
| 1272 | We now move on to our final speaker of the evening, | 现在请今晚最后一位发言者发言。 |
| 1273 | Peter Hitchens. | 彼得·希钦斯. |
| 1274 | He's a journalist, author and broadcaster, | 他是记者,作家和广播员 |
| 1275 | now a columnist | 现在是一个专栏作家 |
| 1276 | for The Mail on Sunday | 星期天的邮件 |
| 1277 | and an occasional writer for The Daily Mail | 并偶尔为《每日邮报》撰稿 |
| 1278 | as well as a contributor to several | 以及若干非政府组织的贡献者 |
| 1279 | other publications in Britain and the USA. | 英国和美国的其他出版物。 |
| 1280 | He has been a journalist | 他是个记者 |
| 1281 | for more than half a century. | 半个多世纪了 |
| 1282 | Peter, you have the years of the house. | 彼得,你有房子的岁月。 |
| 1283 | Thank you, | 谢谢 |
| 1284 | Mr. President. | 总统先生 |
| 1285 | First of all, there's one thing. | 初明有为. |
| 1286 | I mean, I tried | 我试过 |
| 1287 | being the tail end Charlie | 成为查理的尾端 |
| 1288 | in this to find the most | 在这里找到最 |
| 1289 | important things which have been said in the | 已经说过的重要话 |
| 1290 | debate by other people. | 其他人的辩论。 |
| 1291 | And I have to go | 我必须走了 |
| 1292 | back to what Lord Glassman said, | 回到格拉斯曼大人说的话 |
| 1293 | which is that industry | 就是那个行业 |
| 1294 | is the key to | 关键是 |
| 1295 | sovereignty. | 主权。 |
| 1296 | It is an absolutely true statement. | 这是一个绝对真实的声明。 |
| 1297 | It is profound, it is right, and | 这是深刻的,这是正确的, |
| 1298 | everybody looking around the world at the moment | 每个人眼下环顾世界 |
| 1299 | knows it. | 识得. |
| 1300 | This country's lack | 这个国家的缺乏 |
| 1301 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}正大工业制造出来的 | |
| 1302 | weak and pathetic and | 软弱又可怜 |
| 1303 | not much considered. | 没有多少考虑。 |
| 1304 | And I'll return to that perhaps | 我也许还会回到那个 |
| 1305 | when I've dealt with the main question of this evening | 当我处理今晚的主要问题时 |
| 1306 | which is the terrible, terrible | 这是可怕的,可怕的 |
| 1307 | woe which has overcome | 伤哉! |
| 1308 | political conservatism, which is | 政治保守主义,即 |
| 1309 | Thatcher poetry. | 撒切尔诗 |
| 1310 | The bizarre | 奇怪的东西 |
| 1311 | and increasingly ludicrous worship | 和越来越可笑的崇拜, |
| 1312 | of a largely failed Prime | 基本失败的总理 |
| 1313 | Minister who did probably more harm | 部长谁做了更多的伤害 |
| 1314 | than she did good. | 比她表现的好 |
| 1315 | Now, I actually | 现在,我其实 |
| 1316 | I won't say I knew Margaret Thatcher. | 我不会说我认识玛格丽特·撒切尔 |
| 1317 | I spent | 我花了时间 |
| 1318 | quite a lot of time as a political reporter in | 相当长的时间 作为一个政治记者在 |
| 1319 | her presence. | 她的存在。 |
| 1320 | I used to travel around the world | 我曾经环游世界 |
| 1321 | with her in her obsolete VC-10 | 带着她穿着老旧的VC -10 |
| 1322 | aircraft, and I would attend her briefings | 飞机,我会出席她的通报 |
| 1323 | and she knew enough of me to know | 她知道我足够清楚 |
| 1324 | that she hated my beard, which I then had. | 她恨我的胡子,我当时有。 |
| 1325 | It's not | 这不是 |
| 1326 | I don't claim any great knowledge, but I'm pointing out that | 我并不自称什么伟大的知识, 但我指出 |
| 1327 | in this debate, I'm someone who was actually | 在这场辩论中,我其实是一个 |
| 1328 | there for many of the events | 在那里,许多事件 |
| 1329 | involved, and conscious | 和有意识的 |
| 1330 | and deeply engaged. | 和深深的接触。 |
| 1331 | Before | 在此之前 |
| 1332 | I became a political reporter, | 我成为一名政治记者, |
| 1333 | I spent my time reporting the huge | 我花了我的时间 报告巨大的 |
| 1334 | numbers of industrial strikes | 工业罢工次数 |
| 1335 | which convulsed the country at the time. | 当时震动了整个国家 |
| 1336 | And I had a lot of time | 我有很多时间 |
| 1337 | to think about those strikes, many | 想想那些罢工,很多 |
| 1338 | of which were undertaken by decent people, | 他们中有善良的人, |
| 1339 | led by decent people. | 由正直的人领导。 |
| 1340 | Trade union | 工会 |
| 1341 | leaders were not universal | 领导人不具有普遍性 |
| 1342 | villains or beelzebubs. | 恶棍或蜂窝 |
| 1343 | Many of them | 他们很多 |
| 1344 | were fools, some of them were intelligent, and they | 他们是傻瓜,有些是聪明的,他们 |
| 1345 | all sought to do the best for | 都是为了 |
| 1346 | their members. | 他们的成员。 |
| 1347 | The problem which faced this | 面对的问题 |
| 1348 | country from the beginning of the 1970s | 从1970年代开始 |
| 1349 | was the vast wave of inflation caused | 引发了巨大的通货膨胀浪潮 |
| 1350 | mainly by Lyndon Johnson's Vietnam | 主要作者:林登·约翰逊的越南 |
| 1351 | War, and then redoubled by | 战争,然后加倍 |
| 1352 | the Yom Kippur War | 赎罪日战争 |
| 1353 | between Israel and Egypt | 以色列和埃及之间 |
| 1354 | and Syria, which | 叙利亚的报告 |
| 1355 | absolutely devastated energy | 绝对破坏的能量 |
| 1356 | supply to Europe and caused, I say, a lasting | 供应给欧洲 并导致,我说, |
| 1357 | inflation which put the prices up of | 通货膨胀使价格上升 |
| 1358 | everything, and which turned a relatively | 所有的一切, 和它变成相对 |
| 1359 | stable country, as I remember it, | 稳定的国家,我记得, |
| 1360 | in which it was still more or less true | 或多或少还是真实的 |
| 1361 | as Harold Macmillan, a conservative leader, | 作为一个保守派领袖哈罗德·麦克米兰 |
| 1362 | had said in the early 60s that the | 在60年代早期说过 |
| 1363 | people of Britain had never had it so good | 英国人民从来没有这么好过 |
| 1364 | into one where people were suffering | 进入人们痛苦之中 |
| 1365 | and finding their wages no longer | 并且不再找到他们的工资 |
| 1366 | bought what they expected them to buy. | 买他们期望他们买的东西。 |
| 1367 | That was the beginning of it. | 这是开始。 |
| 1368 | Under those | 下边 |
| 1369 | circumstances, is it surprising | 情况,这是令人惊讶的 |
| 1370 | that people use what industrial strength | 人们用什么工业力量 |
| 1371 | they have in a free society | 在自由社会里 |
| 1372 | to try and keep some part of what they've | 试着保留他们的一部分 |
| 1373 | lost as a result of inflation, | 通货膨胀造成的损失, |
| 1374 | something which I'm absolutely sure | 我绝对确定 |
| 1375 | Lord Hammond would recognise as | 哈蒙德勋爵会认出 |
| 1376 | being a disastrous poison | 是一种灾难性的毒药 |
| 1377 | in any society, ruining people, | 在任何社会, 毁灭人民, |
| 1378 | destroying their savings, turning | 摧毁他们的积蓄, |
| 1379 | pensions into nothing. | 养老金变成一无所有。 |
| 1380 | Yes, please. | 是的,谢谢。 |
| 1381 | So inflation was | 所以通货膨胀是 |
| 1382 | 18% when Margaret Thatcher | 18% 当玛格丽特撒切尔 |
| 1383 | did, and it fell to | 是的,它坠落到 |
| 1384 | single figures within two years. | 两年之内的单一数字。 |
| 1385 | Surely that | 当然 |
| 1386 | is an extraordinary achievement in itself | 这本身就是一个非凡的成就 |
| 1387 | because it made possible everything that she did. | 因为它使她所做的一切成为可能。 |
| 1388 | Eventually it fell, but thank you so much for reminding me of the | 最终跌倒了,但谢谢你提醒我 |
| 1389 | point I was about to make. | 我本来想说的 |
| 1390 | I remember | 我记得 |
| 1391 | being in the cinema shortly | 马上就要上电影院了 |
| 1392 | before the 1979 election | 1979年选举之前 |
| 1393 | when they were showing the | 当他们展示 |
| 1394 | famous advertisements about how Britain was a | 著名的广告 关于英国是如何是一个 |
| 1395 | country that people were queuing to get out of, | 人们排队离开的国家, |
| 1396 | some kind of Soviet disaster, and | 苏联的某种灾难,和 |
| 1397 | the Conservatives also ran | 保守党也跑过 |
| 1398 | an | a 一个 |
| 1399 | election poster showing a long | 选举海报显示长篇 |
| 1400 | queue of people queuing | 排队 |
| 1401 | up for work, unemployed people | 失业人员 |
| 1402 | under the slogan Britain isn't working. | 在口号下,英国不起作用。 |
| 1403 | Almost the first action of | 几乎是第一个行动 |
| 1404 | Geoffrey Howe, Margaret Thatcher's first Chancellor, | 杰弗里·豪 玛格丽特·撒切尔的首任总理 |
| 1405 | was to double value added tax, | 将增值税增加一倍, |
| 1406 | so hugely increasing the inflation | 如此巨大的通货膨胀 |
| 1407 | that Lord Hannan rightly points out. | 汉纳勋爵正确指出。 |
| 1408 | The other thing that they did was | 他们做的另外一件事是 |
| 1409 | to create, and I'll tell you how | 创作,我会告诉你如何 |
| 1410 | in a minute, an enormous amount of unemployment. | 在一分钟内, 大量的失业。 |
| 1411 | Now you see, he complained about the vast numbers | 你看,他抱怨说,数量庞大 |
| 1412 | of working days lost by | 损失工作日数 |
| 1413 | strikes. | 罢工。 |
| 1414 | Well indeed, a lot of working days | 确实,很多工作日 |
| 1415 | were lost by strikes, but how many working | 但有多少工人在罢工中丧生 |
| 1416 | days do you think are lost in a given year | 你认为某一年会失去几天吗? |
| 1417 | by three million formerly unemployed | 300万前失业者 |
| 1418 | people becoming | 人们成为 |
| 1419 | unemployed? | 失业? |
| 1420 | Work it out. | 想办法 |
| 1421 | It's a multiple | 这是一个多重 |
| 1422 | of three million. | 三百万个 |
| 1423 | It's a good deal more than what | 这比什么好 |
| 1424 | he mentioned, and it's catastrophic. | 他提到,这是灾难性的。 |
| 1425 | She didn't mean to do any of this. | 她不是故意要这么做的 |
| 1426 | None of it was in her manifesto. | 她的宣言里没有这些 |
| 1427 | Privatisation wasn't in her manifesto. | 她的宣言里没有私有化 |
| 1428 | Doubling VAT wasn't in her manifesto. | 她的宣言里没写增值税翻倍 |
| 1429 | She specifically denied she | 她特别否认她 |
| 1430 | was going to do it during the election campaign. | 本来准备在竞选期间这样做的 |
| 1431 | And the other effect that her policies had | 还有她的政策对 |
| 1432 | was an enormous increase on | 是一个巨大的增长 |
| 1433 | world markets in the value of the pound sterling, | 英镑价值的世界市场, |
| 1434 | which was catastrophic | 这是灾难性的 |
| 1435 | for British industry. | 为英国工业。 |
| 1436 | Senior | 高级 |
| 1437 | members of major British firms came to her | 大不列颠公司成员来找她 |
| 1438 | in Downing Street and said, what are you doing? | 在唐宁街说,你在做什么? |
| 1439 | We can't trade. | 我们不能交易 |
| 1440 | No one will buy our | 没有人会买我们的 |
| 1441 | stuff. | 东西。 |
| 1442 | It's too expensive. | 太贵了 |
| 1443 | And what did | 到底发生了什么 |
| 1444 | she do? | 是吗? |
| 1445 | Nothing. | 没什么 |
| 1446 | None of this was intended. | 这一切都不是故意的。 |
| 1447 | This wasn't some kind | 这不是什么 |
| 1448 | of acts of brilliant Milton Friedman | 弥尔顿·弗里德曼 |
| 1449 | inspired economic genius | 激励经济天才 |
| 1450 | trying to give the country a great tonic. | 试图给这个国家一个伟大的通心粉。 |
| 1451 | It was | 这是 |
| 1452 | incompetence. | 无能无能. |
| 1453 | It was one of the | 这是其中之一 |
| 1454 | biggest blunders of modern history. | 现代史上最大的错误 |
| 1455 | This is | 这是 |
| 1456 | also the woman who went into the election say | 参加选举的女人也说 |
| 1457 | she'd strengthen the armed services and | 她会加强军队 |
| 1458 | began almost immediately | 几乎马上开始 |
| 1459 | the process which has led now to our armed | 现在导致我们武装起来的进程 |
| 1460 | services being a joke and a disgrace. | 服务是一个笑话和耻辱。 |
| 1461 | She began to dismantle the Royal Navy | 她开始拆除皇家海军 |
| 1462 | and did so with such | 并用这样的方式 |
| 1463 | success that if the Argentines | 如果阿根廷人成功的话 |
| 1464 | had wasted one more year before | 再浪费一年时间 |
| 1465 | invading the Falkland Islands, they could have kept them | 入侵福克兰群岛,他们本可以保留 |
| 1466 | because we'd have had no ships to take them back. | 因为我们没有船可以带他们回去 |
| 1467 | She'd either have sold them or scrap them. | 她要么卖掉 要么把它刮掉 |
| 1468 | This is | 这是 |
| 1469 | not some kind of fantastic leader. | 不是什么了不起的领袖 |
| 1470 | And let us also dwell | 让我们也住在一起 |
| 1471 | for one moment upon the great | 在伟大的时刻 |
| 1472 | sainted action | 圣行动 |
| 1473 | of | 页:1 |
| 1474 | the right to buy, | 购买权, |
| 1475 | of giving people their council | 给予人民他们的议会 |
| 1476 | houses on enormous discounts. | 房子的折扣非常高 |
| 1477 | There are many effects of this. | 这有许多影响。 |
| 1478 | One of them has been the breakup | 其中一个是分手 |
| 1479 | and the permanent and irreversible | 永久和不可逆转的 |
| 1480 | breakup of many settled communities where people | * 在许多定居社区解体,人们在那里生活 |
| 1481 | lived quite happily alongside each other | 在一起生活很快乐 |
| 1482 | which are now divided and | 分为两部分 |
| 1483 | full of, as has been pointed out, | 如前所述,充满了 |
| 1484 | privately rented houses under nobody's control. | 私人租房无人控制 |
| 1485 | The other has been the | 另一个是 |
| 1486 | launch of I think £194 billion | 我想是1,940亿英镑 |
| 1487 | into the housing market of taxpayers | 进入纳税人住房市场 |
| 1488 | money. | 钱 |
| 1489 | What effect do you think that | 你觉得会有什么影响? |
| 1490 | has had on the price | 已经付出了代价 |
| 1491 | of houses? | 房子吗? |
| 1492 | I will tell you | 我告诉你 |
| 1493 | it has made them go up. | 这让他们上楼了 |
| 1494 | And one of the reasons why so many people now | 现在这么多人的原因之一 |
| 1495 | cannot afford houses is because | 买不起房子是因为 |
| 1496 | Mrs Thatcher and her successors | 撒切尔夫人及其继任者 |
| 1497 | put so many billions of pounds into the housing | 把这么多亿英镑的房屋 |
| 1498 | market and made houses so expensive. | 市场和造房如此昂贵。 |
| 1499 | Ever thought of that? | 有想过吗? |
| 1500 | We now | 我们现在 |
| 1501 | have a system, a supposed | 有一个系统,一个假设 |
| 1502 | system of social housing called | 所谓的社会住房制度 |
| 1503 | housing benefit which nobody thinks | 住房福利,没有人认为 |
| 1504 | works, which is tremendously unfair | 工作,这是极不公平的 |
| 1505 | to anybody trying to find a home | 给任何想找家的人 |
| 1506 | and which costs more than the Royal Air Force. | 这比皇家空军要贵 |
| 1507 | This is not a success. | 这不是成功。 |
| 1508 | None of it was a success. | 这一切都没有成功。 |
| 1509 | She did | 暗 |
| 1510 | not succeed. | 没有成功。 |
| 1511 | But there is a certain | 但有一个特定的 |
| 1512 | type of conservative young man | 保守的年轻人类型 |
| 1513 | that used to see them about the sort | 曾经见到他们 那种 |
| 1514 | who do all their buttons | 谁做他们所有的按钮 |
| 1515 | up and stand around worshipping | 起来站着礼拜 |
| 1516 | the Iron Lady and think she was | 铁娘子认为她是 |
| 1517 | wonderful, were even told, somehow | 好极了,有人告诉我,不知怎的 |
| 1518 | or other, that she brought about the | 或其他,她带来了 |
| 1519 | overthrow of communism in Eastern Europe. | 在东欧推翻共产主义. |
| 1520 | I'm sorry to say that she didn't. | 对不起,她没有。 |
| 1521 | To the extent that anybody had any | 只要任何人拥有 |
| 1522 | effect on that, it was Ronald Reagan. | 影响是罗纳德·里根 |
| 1523 | She made | 暗 |
| 1524 | some speeches but she had no effect on it at all. | 有些演讲,但她对此毫无影响。 |
| 1525 | So what I really | ┮и痷 |
| 1526 | came here to ask was for people to | 来此求人 |
| 1527 | stop idolizing her. | 别再崇拜她了 |
| 1528 | The other small | 另一个小 |
| 1529 | thing is, and my allies | 事情是, 我的盟友们 |
| 1530 | are mainly on the left here and I'm not | 主要是在左边,我不是 |
| 1531 | on the left, is that | 在左边,是 |
| 1532 | the destruction of the working class | 对工人阶级的破坏 |
| 1533 | and she liberated the proletariat | 她解放了无产阶级 |
| 1534 | in the same sense that Harold Shipman liberated | 和哈罗德·希普曼解放的一样 |
| 1535 | his patients, she | 他的病人,她吗? |
| 1536 | this | 这个 |
| 1537 | this liberation of the proletariat | 无产阶级的解放 |
| 1538 | actually did a very important | 其实做了一件很重要的事 |
| 1539 | thing to the labor movement, of which Maurice Glassman | 对劳工运动来说 莫里斯·格拉斯曼 |
| 1540 | is such a fine representative. | 这么好的代表。 |
| 1541 | It | 这个 |
| 1542 | destroyed a whole strand | 摧毁了整条线 |
| 1543 | of opinion. | 意见。 |
| 1544 | It destroyed the largely | 它摧毁了大部分 |
| 1545 | socially and morally conservative | 社会和道德保守 |
| 1546 | working class. | 工人阶级。 |
| 1547 | It destroyed | 它摧毁了 |
| 1548 | all those influences. | 所有这些影响。 |
| 1549 | The places where | 这些地方 |
| 1550 | people once went to work, earned a | 人们曾经去工作,挣得 |
| 1551 | wage, supported a family, sent | 工资 养家糊口 |
| 1552 | children to school, raised them to behave | 孩子们上学,培养他们的行为 |
| 1553 | and be law-abiding. | 并当守法. |
| 1554 | Those went | 他们走了 |
| 1555 | and instead you get places full of | 而你却得到的地方充满 |
| 1556 | heroin dealers | 海洛因经销商 |
| 1557 | and mass use of | 大规模使用 |
| 1558 | cocaine and marijuana. | 可卡因和大麻 可卡因和大麻 可卡因和大麻 |
| 1559 | These are the old | 这些是旧的 |
| 1560 | industrial cities. | 工业城市。 |
| 1561 | She destroyed that | 她毁了那个 |
| 1562 | and not only did she do that, she left | 她不仅这么做,还离开了 |
| 1563 | the Labor Party empty and | 劳工党空置 |
| 1564 | into it crawled all kinds of people | 爬进它 各种人 |
| 1565 | who | 谁 |
| 1566 | are the sort of people that I used | 我曾经是那种人 |
| 1567 | to be in the late 1960s and early 1970s, | 在1960年代末和1970年代初, |
| 1568 | namely Marxist revolutionaries | 即马克思主义革命者 |
| 1569 | who embraced the ideas of Euro Communism | 拥护欧洲共产主义思想的人 |
| 1570 | which are a moral, cultural and social | 道德、文化和社会 |
| 1571 | revolution far, far | 革命远,远 |
| 1572 | more left-wing, far, far | 更左翼,更远,更远 |
| 1573 | more dangerous to this country than | 这个国家比 |
| 1574 | anything any trade union leader | 任何工会领袖 |
| 1575 | ever did. | 从来没有做过。 |
| 1576 | That's simply | 很简单 |
| 1577 | that. | 那个 |
| 1578 | She wasn't any good. | 她不好吗? |
| 1579 | She didn't | 她没有 |
| 1580 | do any good and it's time we stopped idolizing | 做任何好事 是时候停止崇拜了 |
| 1581 | | |
| 1582 | Good evening. | 边 |
| 1583 | Thank you very much Peter, | 非常感谢彼得, |
| 1584 | bringing not only tonight's events | 不仅带来今晚的活动 |
| 1585 | to a close, but bringing home the entire | 但把整个带回家 |
| 1586 | Cambridge Union debates program. | 剑桥联盟辩论计划. |
| 1587 | Let's give one more | 再来一个 |
| 1588 | round of applause to our six fine speakers tonight. | 今晚给我们的六位演讲者鼓掌 |
| 1589 | And also | 还有 |
| 1590 | let's give one round of | 让我们给一回合 |
| 1591 | applause to our floor speech prize | 掌声欢迎我们的演讲奖 |
| 1592 | winner, our member from | 赢家,我们的成员来自 |
| 1593 | Jesus College, ladies and gentlemen. | 耶稣学院 女士们先生们 |
| 1594 | Please find us | 请找到我们 |
| 1595 | in the bar afterwards to collect your Margaret | 之后去酒吧拿你的玛格丽特 |
| 1596 | Thatcher book bundle. | 撒切尔书包 |
| 1597 | Now, in this house, we | 现在,在这个房子里,我们 |
| 1598 | vote with our feet. | 用我们的脚投票 |
| 1599 | So as you're leaving, | 所以当你离开的时候 |
| 1600 | please walk through the door labeled | 请从门上走过去 |
| 1601 | I know or abstained. | 我知道或弃权。 |
| 1602 | According to which way you would like | 根据你喜欢的 |
| 1603 | to go. | 离开。 |
| 1604 | We would read out the results | 我们会宣读结果 |
| 1605 | 在RIT官员。 | |
| 1606 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
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