【牛津辩论】主流媒体是“人民的敌人”吗？

发布于 2026-03-28 · 时长 1:38:12

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时间	英文	中文
0:10	From Vietnam where progress filled the headlines as thousands died to Iraq where weapons of mass destruction were never found	从越南,进步充斥着头条新闻,成千上万人死亡,伊拉克从未发现大规模毁灭性武器。
0:19	to Rwanda and Libya	给卢旺达和利比亚的普通照会
0:20	Tragedies that were barely covered to years of silence on Jeffrey Epstein and so many UK and US politicians	Jeffrey Epstein和许多英国及美国政治人物的惨案几乎无法掩盖
0:29	I could go on but this will start to sound like we didn't start the fire by Billy Joel Bay of Pigs invasion	我可以继续,但这会开始听起来像我们没有启动火比利乔尔湾猪入侵
0:36	So when the media stops questioning power, it doesn't just distort history it creates it	所以当媒体停止质疑权力, 它不只是歪曲历史它创造了它
0:44	Before I begin my arguments tonight, I have the distinct honor to introduce the speakers on side opposition	在我今晚开始辩论之前我非常荣幸地向大家介绍反对派的演讲者
0:51	首先你会听到Sarah Bessef 在Worcester学院犯罪学硕士生和新闻主任
0:58	And Sarah is a dear friend of mine and she has an incredible sense of humor	莎拉是我的朋友她有不可思议的幽默感
1:02	So I remember when she was first appointed as as a director of press and she was quite surprised as was I because	我记得她刚被任命为新闻总监时她很惊讶
1:09	Not because of her credentials, which are quite stunning	不是因为她的身份证明,非常惊人

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序号	英文	中文
1	From Vietnam where progress filled the headlines as thousands died to Iraq where weapons of mass destruction were never found	从越南,进步充斥着头条新闻,成千上万人死亡,伊拉克从未发现大规模毁灭性武器。
2	to Rwanda and Libya	给卢旺达和利比亚的普通照会
3	Tragedies that were barely covered to years of silence on Jeffrey Epstein and so many UK and US politicians	Jeffrey Epstein和许多英国及美国政治人物的惨案几乎无法掩盖
4	I could go on but this will start to sound like we didn't start the fire by Billy Joel Bay of Pigs invasion	我可以继续,但这会开始听起来像我们没有启动火比利乔尔湾猪入侵
5	So when the media stops questioning power, it doesn't just distort history it creates it	所以当媒体停止质疑权力, 它不只是歪曲历史它创造了它
6	Before I begin my arguments tonight, I have the distinct honor to introduce the speakers on side opposition	在我今晚开始辩论之前我非常荣幸地向大家介绍反对派的演讲者
7	首先你会听到Sarah Bessef 在Worcester学院犯罪学硕士生和新闻主任
8	And Sarah is a dear friend of mine and she has an incredible sense of humor	莎拉是我的朋友她有不可思议的幽默感
9	So I remember when she was first appointed as as a director of press and she was quite surprised as was I because	我记得她刚被任命为新闻总监时她很惊讶
10	Not because of her credentials, which are quite stunning	不是因为她的身份证明,非常惊人
11	It's because of the edgy content that she would put up on Instagram a lot of hot takes	是因为她对Instagram 充满了激情
12	I was like she's gonna be in charge of all our press functions	我仿佛她会负责我们所有的新闻工作
13	But I have to admit I'm surprised she's on this side of the house given all the recent controversy	但我不得不承认,考虑到最近发生的所有争议,我很惊讶她站在房子的这边
14	She has to defend the very media institutions that have put this place and a lot of trouble	她必须捍卫媒体机构他们把这个地方和很多麻烦
15	So good luck to Sarah on this.	祝莎拉好运
16	I'm sure she'll do well.	我敢肯定,她会做得很好。
17	Next you will hear from John Sweeney	接下来你会收到约翰·斯威尼的消息
18	investigative journalist who worked at the BBC and the Observer newspaper	在英国广播公司和《观察家报》工作的调查记者
19	Where he's covered wars and revolutions in more than 60 countries including Romania, Algeria, Iraq and Bosnia	他报道了60多个国家的战争和革命包括罗马尼亚、阿尔及利亚、伊拉克和波斯尼亚
20	He has won several awards regarding human rights abuses in countries that he has investigated	在他调查过的国家中,他因侵犯人权而赢得了多项奖项
21	You will then hear from Christian Bruton the managing editor of The Independent	然后,你将会听到克里斯蒂安·布鲁顿的主编"独立报"
22	He led the transformation of The Independent to become one of the first	他领导了"独立报"的转型成为了第一个
23	Legacy news organizations to become purely digital prior to this he has held a number of editorial positions	之前他还担任过许多编辑职务成为纯粹数字化的新闻组织
24	Finally you hear from Jonathan Levy	终于有乔纳森·李维的消息
25	executive editor at Sky News	《天空新闻》执行编辑
26	He oversees the network's global coverage and has led teams reporting from conflict across the Middle East and Eastern Europe	他监督该网络的全球覆盖面,并领导中东和东欧各地的冲突报告小组
27	Under his leadership sky has won several Royal Television Society awards for international reporting.	在他的领导下,天空赢得了多个皇家电视学会国际报道奖项.
28	Mr. President	总统先生
29	These are your speakers tonight and they are most welcome	这些是今晚的演讲者,欢迎他们
30	So this house believes the mainstream media is an enemy of the people like any good debate or argument	所以这里认为主流媒体是人民的敌人喜欢任何好的辩论或争论
31	I need to start this with a qualifier	我要从修饰语开始
32	Voting on this side of the house does not mean we're calling for an end of mainstream media	投票的这一边不代表我们要求结束主流媒体
33	Not at all.	一点也不
34	It means we are calling for serious introspection and reform and a paradigm shift	这意味着我们要求进行认真的反思和改革以及范式的转变
35	There is no point	没有意义
36	There is no point in having a free press if we focus on things like cultural wars instead of confronting the fact that the top	如果我们把注意力集中在文化战争之类的事情上,而不是面对最高层的事实,那么新闻自由就毫无意义了。
37	1% in Britain holds more wealth now than the 70% of this country combined	英国1%的财富现在比全国70%的总和还要多
38	So let me make today three points of criticism	所以我今天要提出三点批评
39	The first is that the mainstream media as of now	首先是主流媒体
40	manufactures division through the incentives it produces	通过生产刺激制造
41	number two that the mainstream media as you've seen of late has actually put young people in harm's way and	第二,你最近看到的主流媒体实际上让年轻人陷入危险之中
42	Number three that the mainstream media actually	第三,主流媒体实际上
43	desensitizes global audiences	降低全球受众的敏感性
44	Let me start with the first argument	让我从第一个论点开始
45	Regarding its divisive rhetoric now as a law student	关于现在作为法律学生的分裂言论
46	I'm going to mention a case that I studied in public law the Miller case the first one on	我要提到一个案件,我研究了公法米勒案的第一个
47	Brexit who has the authority decide whether the UK leaves the European Union when the High Court decided this case in 4th November	在高等法院于11月4日对此案作出裁决时,由谁决定联合王国是否离开欧洲联盟?
48	2016 the Daily Mail pasted the faces of the three judges across the front page	2016年"每日邮报"将三位评委的面孔贴在头版
49	Titling it enemies of the people	让它成为人民的敌人
50	Their crime	他们的罪行
51	Writing a decision grounded in the rule of law and careful legal reasoning the Daily Mail still chose to vilify these judges	《每日邮报》仍以法治为基础写下裁决,
52	Personally and put them at harm's way one judge in fact commented	事实上,一位法官评论说,
53	this was the only time in his judicial career where he had to reach out to the police and	这是他司法生涯中唯一一次他不得不联系警察
54	Ask them for protection and his front page the Daily Mail.	问他们要保护还有他的头条邮报
55	They didn't just question a judgment	他们不只是质疑一个判决
56	It told millions of people who to hate	它告诉数百万人谁讨厌
57	Who is the enemy this is the power of the tabloids the press stops being a watchdog and instead becomes an aggravator	谁是敌人,这是小报的力量媒体停止监督,转而成为一个加重器
58	The second argument I'm gonna make is that the mainstream media puts young people in harm's way	我要说的第二个论点是主流媒体将年轻人置于危险之中
59	So let's talk about something controversial	我们来谈谈有争议的事
60	Let's talk about the elephant in the room	我们来谈谈房间里的大象
61	Let's actually talk about the Oxford Union	我们来谈谈牛津邦联
62	The last bastion of free speech is in some ways the latest casualty of mainstream media	言论自由的最后堡垒在某种程度上是主流媒体的最新牺牲品。
63	Let me show you how	让我告诉你如何
64	Can I get a show of hands here who has seen a committee member of the Oxford Union in the press?	能让我举起手来吗?
65	Put your hands up.	举手曰.
66	Keep your hands raised if that media coverage was negative	如果媒体报道是负面的,请举起手来
67	Yeah, so we're seeing a clear issue here, right?	是啊,所以我们看到一个明确的问题在这里,对不对?
68	Students now at the Union at an Oxford live with the knowledge	现在在牛津大学的大学里学生们有知识
69	Yes, go for it	是的,来吧
70	It is not because the coverage of the media is negative that it's necessarily bad	不是因为媒体的报导是负面的,所以肯定不好
71	Maybe they did something that	也许他们做了一些事情
72	I take your point Fontaine, but this is not a this is not a simple recent case	我理解你的观点但这不是一件简单的最近的案子
73	It's been going on for now three years of	已经持续了三年了
74	Consistent leakages to the mainstream media now, I want to put it to you that students	现在主流媒体不断泄露,我想告诉你学生们
75	Well students live with the fear and knowledge that	学生的恐惧和知识
76	Can we please not have interruptions during speeches if you want to make a point of information	请不要在演讲中打断发言,如果你想说点什么
77	Stand up and make that or else make a point of order, please rather continue.	站起来做这个,不然就说出一个程序问题,请继续。
78	I'll just report	我会报到的
79	I think I think you raise a point about leaks, right?	我认为你提到泄漏,对不对?
80	So what I'm saying here is that students now live with the knowledge that the cameras here	所以我要说的是学生们现在都明白摄像机在这里
81	Not just the cameras by Roger	不只是罗杰的摄像头
82	People's personal phones can be brought up	人们的私人电话可以提起
83	You can take a video of someone out of context leak it to any media reporter	你可以拿一个视频某人断章取义泄露给任何媒体记者
84	Journalists anchor and have that put up on the front page of the news the next day that causes	记者们主播第二天新闻头版就登上了
85	Irreparable consequences and damage to students of this society.	对这个社会的学生造成无法弥补的后果和损害。
86	You should be able to think speak freely	你应该能思考自由说话
87	Without the fear that one day one of us could end up in the news for saying something that was out of context	不用担心有一天我们中有人会因为说出一些不合情理的话而死在新闻里
88	So what I want to say here is that the mainstream media actually has enabled this environment	所以我想说的是主流媒体已经创造了这个环境
89	It is decided in fact that I'm gonna	我决定了,事实上,我要去
90	Name several of them that it's more valuable to cast light or what happens here than attend Downing Street	说说其中的几个比参加唐宁街晚会更有价值
91	You take it magnifying glass to things that happen here in the smallest of contexts and say actually this deserves to be on the front page	你把它放大玻璃在最小的情况下发生的事情并说实际上这值得在头版
92	Let's vilify this person.	让我们诽谤这个人。
93	So I'm sorry the character assassination that I've seen in the news in the last three years	所以,我很抱歉人物暗杀,我已经看到在过去三年的新闻
94	Has got to stop.	必须停止。
95	It's one that's been enabled by the media and it's one that we are now having to live with the consequences of	这是媒体所允许的而我们现在必须面对的后果
96	There's more it's not just the Union the mainstream media desensitizes global audiences	不仅工会主流媒体还淡化全球观众的敏感度
97	So for two decades the Western press has covered the Middle East in cycles of shock when the u.s.	西方媒体在二十年里一直以震撼的周期报道中东
98	Were drew from Afghanistan in 2021 after just three weeks.	2021年从阿富汗抽取,仅过了三个星期.
99	The story had virtually disappeared for American front pages	这个故事几乎消失了美国的首页
100	Even as the UN confirmed that over 90% of Afghans faced food insecurity	即使联合国证实超过90%的阿富汗人面临粮食不安全
101	During the Syrian Civil War a Reuters study found that coverage peaked only during chemical weapons attacks or refugee waves	在叙利亚内战期间,路透社的一项研究发现,报道只在化学武器袭击或难民浪潮期间达到顶峰。
102	But otherwise vanished even as civilian deaths exceeded half a million	但即使平民死亡人数超过50万也消失了
103	Sorry, I have to today with Israel's genocidal activities and Gaza	对不起,我今天必须面对以色列的种族灭绝活动和加沙
104	Palestinians are referred to as casualties figures or collateral	巴勒斯坦人被称为伤亡数字或抵押品
105	That's just a final stage of the mainstream media's flaws	这只是主流媒体缺陷的最后阶段
106	When it reduces human tragedy, that's not journalism	当它减少人类的悲剧, 这不是新闻
107	That's desensitization of a global audience	这就是全球观众的不敏感化
108	Now I've spent some time thinking about how to close my case tonight.	现在,我花了一些时间思考如何结束我的案件今晚。
109	There are many anecdotes I can mention from this chamber alone	我可以单独从这个会议厅提到许多传闻
110	Stories of the press would love to print tomorrow morning, right?	新闻报导明天早上会出版对吧?
111	You would love the leak to go out	你会喜欢泄露出去的
112	but I'm not I'm not I'm not going to mention these stories because I	但我不会说这些故事因为我
113	Think the students have the right to speak freely and a free speech society	认为学生们有权自由发言和言论自由的社会
114	If you have a view to make tonight, you well deserve to go and make it without the fear of	如果你今晚有景色, 你完全应该去做它没有恐惧
115	Backlash and the fear of character assassination.	反弹和对人物暗杀的恐惧.
116	So yes make mistakes	所以是错的
117	Say no comment when journalists ask you for comment because that's a difference between what we're doing here tonight	记者要你评论的时候不要说任何评论因为今晚我们在这里做的事是不一样的
118	And what the media does too often outside these walls	媒体经常在墙外做什么
119	We debate ideas that are generational	我们辩论的是几代人的想法
120	they play on emotions and contribute to an aggravation economy and	他们玩弄情绪并导致经济恶化
121	That's the point at which a free press	这就是自由新闻的要点
122	loses its freedom	失去自由失去自由
123	not when it's silenced, but when it forgets to listen and	不是沉默的时候而是忘记倾听
124	Chooses by cherry-picking the stories it likes to project onto global audiences	通过选择樱桃来选择它喜欢向全球观众放映的故事
125	so when the press	所以当媒体
126	Can't tell that distinction anymore	不能再分辨这种区别了
127	It's our job here at the Union to remind them and vote in favor of this motion.	我们在联盟的工作就是提醒他们并投票支持这个动议
128	Thank you	谢谢
129	Thank you, Rosa.	谢谢你罗莎
130	That was interesting.	这很有趣。
131	I now look I now look to the director of press.	我现在看现在我看新闻总监。
132	Mr.	劳伦斯先生
133	College to lead the case for side opposition	大学领导对侧反对派的诉讼
134	Good evening honorable members and guests	晚上好尊敬的成员和客人们
135	I would like to thank the president for extending me the privilege of speaking before the house today as your director of press	感谢总统今天作为你的新闻总监给予我在本院发言的特权
136	the media has recently presented me with a multitude of	媒体最近给我带来了许多
137	opportunities to confront the intricate mechanisms of this very domain and	面对这个领域复杂机制的机会
138	Now to many people's surprise and the treasurers evidently	现在很多人都惊讶了财长们显然
139	I'm compelled to introduce the attitudes of the opposition with greater emphasis and urgency than I ever could have before	我不得不以前所未有的重视和紧迫感介绍反对派的态度
140	But first it falls on me to introduce our guests who have been very generous in joining us on the side of the process	但首先,我要向大家介绍我们的客人,他们非常慷慨地加入我们的进程。
141	proposition this evening	今晚的提议
142	We've just had the pleasure of hearing from our treasurer Raza Nassar.	我们刚刚听到财长拉扎·纳萨尔的消息
143	I believe for the first time ever this term	我第一次相信这个学期
144	Raza is one of the kindest humblest and hardest-working people.	拉扎是最谦逊和最勤奋的人之一.
145	I know he's also my very first friend at the Society	我知道他也是我第一个在社里的朋友
146	Nothing could make me happier than to do this alongside him today	没有什么能比今天跟他一起做这个更让我高兴的了
147	Speaking second from the proposition is mr. Majid Nawaz.	第二位是马吉德·纳瓦兹先生。
148	Mr. Nawaz is a former Liberal Democrat	纳瓦兹先生是前自由民主党人
149	Parliamentary candidate.	议会候选人。
150	He's also the founder of the Quilliam Foundation	他也是奎连基金会的创始人
151	Speaking third is mr. Tom Atwood's Tom Harwood.	第三位是汤姆·阿特伍德先生的汤姆·哈伍德
152	Mr	师曰.
153	Harwood is a journalist and commentator and serves as the deputy political editor and presenter for GV News	Harwood是一名记者和评论员,并担任全球之声新闻的副政治编辑和主持人。
154	More importantly and more notably.	更为重要和显著。
155	Mr. Harwood is the ex-president of a place.	哈伍德先生是一个地方的前总裁。
156	You might have heard of called the Durham Union	你可能听说过达勒姆工会
157	Closing the case of the proposition is mr. Connor Tomlinson	结案的是Mr. 康纳·汤姆林森
158	Mr. Tomlinson is a political commentator known for hosting	Tomlinson先生是一位政治评论家, 以主持《纽约时报》而闻名。
159	Tomlinson talks.	汤姆林森说话。
160	He is also the co-host of deprogrammed at the New Culture Forum	他也是新文化论坛解禁节目的主持人
161	Mr. President, these are your guests and they are most welcome	总统先生,这是你的客人,欢迎他们
162	For me, it is both easy and natural to defend the opposition	对我来说,保卫反对派既容易又自然
163	But in order to believe this we must understand the relationship between the media and the people and in order to do that	但是为了相信这一点我们必须了解媒体和人民之间的关系为了做到这一点
164	We must first clarify what we mean by those two terms	我们必须首先澄清这两个词的含义
165	Mainstream media represents established broadcasting and publishing outlets which project influence onto large audiences	主流媒体代表对广大受众产生影响的既定广播和出版机构
166	The people represents a collective population within a society	人民代表一个社会中的集体人口
167	What then immediately concerns me is the presumption by the motion that the credibility of mainstream media is directly and	我立即担心的是主流媒体的可信度是直接的
168	necessarily derived from the people the people as an indiscriminate sample of	必然来自人民,作为不分青红皂白的
169	Individuals who are affected in concert with the whole	与整体一致受到影响的个人
170	The motion dangerously presumes a relationship between the media and the myth that is a unified	该运动危险地假定媒体与神话之间的关系是统一的
171	Social public will the media can possess influence, but it cannot	社会公众的意志可以拥有影响力,但不能
172	impose	强制
173	It cannot possess the authority to impose this influence on one individual or many or all	它无权将这种影响强加于一个人或多人或所有人。
174	On the other hand the state the branches of government that possess legal discretion exist within an isolated category	另一方面,国家拥有法律自由裁量权的政府部门属于单独一类。
175	The only category in which it is honest to claim that there manifests the capacity to impose a relationship	唯一诚实地声称存在强加关系能力的类别
176	With the people as an entire cohort who are necessarily subjected to	人民作为一个群体,必然受到
177	identical influences	相同影响
178	The distinction here is that the people hold the right to accept reject	这里的区别是人民有权接受拒绝
179	regard disregard to choose to be exposed to	无视选择接触
180	the	联合国
181	Institution that is mainstream media and this is afforded by the state as the byproduct of a socially realized	作为主流媒体的机构,国家提供这种机构作为社会实现的副产品
182	agency	机构
183	There can be no	没有
184	Institution to which the people respond in unison except those of the law	人民一致响应的机构,法律除外
185	moving on	继续前进
186	We villainize the manipulative hyperbolic and at times dishonest formulations of mainstream media	我们把主流媒体的操纵性双曲和有时不诚实的配方
187	Which the proposition argues are unavoidably successful attempts at misleading the people I	这个提议无可避免地成功试图误导人民我
188	Stressed that this is an blatant error in categorization	强调这是在分类方面的明显错误;
189	What is implied here is that this is deliberately corruptive and unjust and in cases which it is	这里隐含的是,这是蓄意的腐败和不公正的,在其中的情况中。
190	So we will return to this at a later point	我们以后再谈这个
191	The proposition fails to admit the role of critical thinking into this equation	这个提议不承认批判性思考的作用
192	Critical thinking introduces the opportunity to analyze and refute to doubt and confirm the performance of mainstream media	批判性思维为分析与反驳主流媒体的表现提供了机会
193	What we villainize is our reflection the underdeveloped disposition of our ability to think critically	我们恶搞的是我们的思考能力不够成熟
194	The lack thereof is manifestly the threat to the human condition	不这样做显然是对人类状况的威胁
195	This threat does not come from the media.	这种威胁并非来自媒体。
196	It is prescribed to all forms of communication	对一切形式的通信都有规定
197	Communication in any context can underutilize the truth just as the individual in any context can underutilize	任何情况下的交流都会低估真理,就像个人在任何情况下都可能低估真理一样。
198	Critical thinking on the topic of categorization errors.	关于分类错误专题的批判性思考。
199	We ought to establish who mainstream media's audience is	我们应该确定谁是主流媒体的观众
200	We have thus far rejected the label of the people but what is the better term?	迄今为止,我们拒绝给人民贴上标签,但什么是更好的用语?
201	The people are to the state what the consumers are to mainstream media	人民是国家消费者是主流媒体
202	Mainstream media is a line of business	主流媒体是一种业务
203	that is a melting pot for the social appetites of its consumers a business that has demonstrated impressive profits by	这对消费者的社会胃口来说是一个熔炉企业展现了令人印象深刻的利润
204	amplifying civic discourse	扩大公民言论
205	Condemning the success of this business is an expedient	谴责这一事业的成功是一种权宜之计
206	Displacement of blame and an improper designation of accountability	责任的转移和不当指定问责制
207	The culture of spectacle is evolving	美景文化正在演变
208	Consequently through civic complicity	因此,通过公民共谋
209	The the commercial structure of mainstream media is one that furthers outrage because the consumers demand it	主流媒体的商业结构加深了愤怒因为消费者要求它
210	This is the intrinsic and elementary reasoning of consumerism	这是消费主义的内在和基本推理
211	No, thank you.	不谢谢
212	I've a lot to get through	我有很多事要办
213	Business does not survive by practicing hostility towards its customers	企业不靠对客户的敌意生存
214	It adjusts its operations in accordance with the demands and interests of those customers	它根据这些客户的要求和利益调整业务。
215	The survival of the business relies on the continuity of consumption	企业的生存取决于消费的连续性
216	McDonald's and its many competitors here on our very corn market Street have yet to be labeled an enemy of the people	麦当劳和它的许多竞争者都在我们的玉米市场街上还没有被标榜为人民的敌人
217	For somehow it is easier to appreciate the role of individual agency in choosing to engage with a business when the relationship is	因为从某种意义上说,在关系发展之时,更容易了解个别机构在选择与企业打交道方面的作用。
218	expressly more tangible	明显更具体
219	This concept can be given many names, but enemy is not one of them	这个概念可以被赋予许多名字,但敌人不是其中之一
220	Now I ask you why disregard the collapse of media literacy instead of our pride	现在我问你为什么无视媒体文化的崩溃而不是我们的骄傲
221	Why amputate the threat to ignorance instead of our pride?	为什么用截肢来威胁无知而不是我们的骄傲?
222	According to the debate description	根据辩论描述
223	I quote this debate asks whether the institutions once trusted to inform the public have instead	我引用这场辩论,问那些曾经被信任告知公众的机构是否相反
224	Began to divide it the misguided nature of this rhetoric implies that mainstream media	这些言论的误导性意味着主流媒体
225	Exists in a binary system of informing versus dividing society	曾经处于信息化与分裂社会的二进制
226	This chamber is evidence that both practices can coexist	这个分庭是两种做法共存的证据
227	Information coupled with agency means division is a normal and common reaction	信息与机构表示是正常和共同的反应
228	The more we understand a piece of information the more likely it is that even within ourselves	我们越了解一个信息就越有可能是我们自己
229	We are divided in our convictions of the many layers and subdomains of that information	我们对这种信息的许多层次和子域的信念有分歧
230	Division is a sign of freedom.	"组织"是自由的象征
231	It should be cause for celebration not social crisis	应该是庆祝而不是社会危机的原因
232	We have practiced division in this chamber since 1823 long before we invented the term mainstream media and	我们自1823年起就在这个会议厅里进行分裂早在我们发明主流媒体一词之前
233	Nominated it as the cause and the enemy	被提名为事业和敌人
234	your disagreement with division references this	您不同意组织引用此
235	the national newspaper for prisoners a	国家囚犯报a
236	Reduced source of information targeted towards those whose agency is actually diminished by the state	针对那些其机构实际上因国家而减少的人的信息来源减少
237	Is this what you want to subscribe to?	这就是你想订阅的吗?
238	prejudice	偏见
239	sensationalization	理智
240	Polarization all these are sources of resentment within the media's audience	媒体的观众对这一切不满
241	Yet they are present even on the smallest scale when I studied in Michigan my friends and I spoke a lot about college	然而,他们在场,即使规模最小当我在密歇根州学习我的朋友和我谈了很多关于大学
242	I	一、导言
243	Trust the opinion of my friends on Big Ten College football over a stranger if I'm thinking about the 1700s the works of Voltaire	相信我的朋友对大十大学足球和陌生人的看法如果我想到1700年代伏尔泰的作品
244	When will influence the image in my head more than those of Jonathan Swift because I read more from the former	什么时候会影响我脑海中的形象比乔纳森·斯威夫特的影响更大因为我从前者读得更多
245	The prejudice here is source from within and it is our duty to recognize it	这里的偏见来源于内部我们有责任承认它
246	Yet if we are subjected to these sources of resentment in all domains of communication	但是,如果我们在通讯的各个领域都受到这些怨恨
247	Why is it that they manifest as a resentment uniquely towards mainstream media?	为什么他们表现为对主流媒体的不满?
248	It has to do with the popularity and accessibility of mainstream media versus other forms of communication	它与主流媒体的受欢迎程度和可及性有关,而与其他形式的传播方式有关。
249	The media has become a big colorful	媒体变得色彩浓郁
250	sensationalized punching bag	轰动的拳击袋
251	It is easier to decry prejudice when it has Piers Morgan's face on it instead of our pride	当Piers Morgan的面孔而不是我们的骄傲时更容易揭穿偏见
252	If we want to point fingers it is best to face the mirror and to see our resentment animated	如果我们想指手画脚,最好面对镜子,看到我们的怨恨动画
253	Now the idea that there is a principle of responsibility entrusted to the media is both logical and accurate	现在有一条责任原则委托给媒体的想法是合乎逻辑的,准确的
254	to then treat this principle as a	然后将这一原则视为一项
255	Constitutional duty that binds the media to a prescribed standard of truthfulness is awfully imprudent	使媒体遵守规定的诚实标准的宪法义务是极其不谨慎的。
256	The relationship between the media and the law is enforced retrospectively	媒体和法律之间的关系可以追溯执行
257	mechanisms such as defamation libel and malicious falsehood suits are enacted as	诸如诽谤诽谤和恶意谎言诉讼等机制被颁布为
258	Expressions of the people's agency so that truth may manifest not through decree but through contestation	人民机构的表现,以便真相不是通过法令而是通过争辩表现出来
259	Various press councils and ethical codes also formulate guidelines that are at best	各种新闻理事会和道德守则也制定了充其量的准则
260	voluntarily upheld if we so liberally use the term principle it is because it is not law I	如果我们如此宽松地使用这个术语是因为它不是法律
261	Urge you not to confuse law with philosophy	劝你不要把法律与哲学混为一谈
262	Those who consider the process of conclusively challenging such main	那些认为这一进程最终挑战这种主要因素的人
263	mistreatments of truth to be	虐待真相
264	Unfeasible unachievable or unjust ought to debate the legal system instead of presupposing a constitution where there is none and	无法实现的或不公正的,应该辩论法律制度,而不是假设宪法不存在,而且
265	Finally, what do we mean by enemy?	最后,什么是敌人?
266	Perhaps the silliest error in this motion is not in its ideology, but in its linguistic fallacy	也许这个运动中最愚蠢的错误不是在它的意识形态, 而是在语言上的谬误
267	We consider enemy to be an opponent an opposing thing an opposite and this is the premise for the propositions downfall I	我们认为敌人是对手反面的东西是相反的这是命题的前提
268	Respond to this through the words of Frederick Nietzsche	通过弗雷德里克·尼采的话来回应
269	The general imprecise way of observing sees everywhere in nature opposites	一般的不精确的观察方式在自然界的每个角落都看到对面
270	For example warm and cold where there are not opposites, but differences of degree	例如温暖和寒冷,没有对立,但程度不同
271	This bad habit has led us into wanting to comprehend and analyze the inner world to in terms of such opposites	这种不良的习惯让我们想了解和分析内在世界
272	An unspeakable amount of painfulness	令人难以形容的痛苦
273	Arrogance harshness estrangement fragility has entered into human feelings because we think we see opposites instead of transitions	傲慢的苛刻安排的脆弱已经进入人类的感情因为我们认为我们看到的是相反的而不是过渡
274	Only now it dawns on men that in their belief in language.	现在人们才开始相信语言
275	They have propagated a tremendous error	他们曾散布一个重大的迷误,
276	Logic to depends on presuppositions with which nothing in the real world corresponds	逻辑上依赖于在现实世界里没有任何东西与之相对应的假设
277	ladies and gentlemen	女士们,先生们
278	This language is useful only if the objective is the provocation of moral panic and the reconciliation of a	只有以挑起道德恐慌与和解为目的,这一措辞才有用。
279	mutually	相互之间
280	Disadvantages relationship between the media and the consumer it is time to disrupt the insulting narrative that disrespects the agency of the people	媒体与消费者之间的不利关系,是打破不尊重人民权威的侮辱性言论的时候了。
281	I urge the house to oppose the motion riddled with confusion.	我敦促议会反对充满混乱的动议。
282	Thank you.	谢谢
283	I	一、导言
284	Thank the member for his speech.	感谢会员的演讲.
285	I now look to mr. Nolas to lead the case and for side proposition	我现在要去找Mr. 诺拉斯领导这个案子和副命题
286	Mr. President	总统先生
287	Oxford Union	牛津联合会
288	Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for having us here this evening and for this important debate	女士们,先生们,谢谢你让我们今晚在这里和这次重要的辩论
289	I'm going to ask you all to consider that this motion and how you vote this evening	我要请大家考虑一下这个动议和你们今晚怎么投票
290	should be	应该
291	Intentioned with a view to sending a message as to what's wrong with this country now very few of us	为了传达一个信息这个国家有什么问题现在很少人
292	I imagine in this room	我想在这个房间里
293	Believe that the country is on a path that we're happy with at the moment for various reasons	相信国家已经走上了我们目前所乐于前进的道路,
294	and one of the key pillars of any	和任何
295	democracy is a	民主是一个
296	Functioning media now put the wording as you just heard of the motion	媒体现在把措辞正如你刚才听到的动议
297	Aside for a moment to understand the message.	暂且一时悟此旨.
298	We are seeking to send the country is broken	我们想要送国破门
299	Its institutions are failing its economy is in tatters	其体制正在崩溃经济陷入困境
300	And among those institutions the most important the media is not doing the job that it was set up to do	在这些机构中,最重要的媒体不是做它要做的事
301	Now, let me begin with a quote from Malcolm X	现在,让我从马尔科姆十世开始
302	Plymouth Rock	普利茅斯摇滚
303	Was where the slaves landed in America and Malcolm X once said that we did not land on Plymouth Rock	是奴隶登陆美国的地方马尔科姆十世曾说过我们没有降落在普利茅斯岩
304	But Plymouth Rock	但普利茅斯摇滚
305	landed on us and the reason I mentioned that quote is	落到我们身上,我提到的原因就是
306	Because it is not us who have made mainstream media our enemy	因为不是我们让主流媒体成为我们的敌人
307	mainstream media declared us their enemy by taking some lines turn	主流媒体宣布我们为敌人,
308	censorious positions certain editorial judgments that alienated people in this country for	某些编辑判断疏远了这个国家的人
309	For reasons that are now demonstrably wrong	由于现在明显错误的原因
310	immoral false unethical	不道德的虚假不道德
311	illiberal and undemocratic	不自由和不民主
312	We don't need to go too far back into history	我们不需要太深入历史
313	to remember the kovat period	以纪念科瓦特时期
314	now as a speaker here this evening the reason I accepted to	现在作为今晚的演讲者我同意了
315	Debate here this evening is because I didn't make mainstream	今晚这里的辩论是因为我没有成为主流
316	Corporatist is the word I use	我用的是公司主义者这个词
317	Media my enemy they made me their enemy enemy is a strong word that I don't declare upon anybody	媒体我的敌人他们让我的敌人是一个强烈的言语我不向任何人宣布
318	But people have declared that upon us for questioning orthodoxies that violated our civil liberties	但人们宣称,我们质疑侵犯我们公民自由的正统思想
319	And the reason I mentioned kovat is because now in 2025 when we repeat what was done to us.	我之所以提到科瓦特,是因为现在2025年我们重复了对我们所做的一切。
320	It sounds insane	听起来很疯狂
321	There are very few people left who would defend what was done to us during that period	很少有人会为那段时期对我们的所作所为辩护
322	I am double-jacked to start with that to make that clear because mainstream media declared us conspiracy theorists	因为主流媒体宣称我们是阴谋论者,
323	I took two of those vaccines while I was on LBC	我在LBC的时候吃了两个疫苗
324	And what I did is I said live on air at the time	我所做的是说现场直播
325	{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}没有刺杀的政策 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}不能对别人说 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}如果你不注射的话
326	You will be sacked from your family's only source of income is an absolutely insane policy that belongs in Nazi Germany	你将被解雇从你家庭唯一的收入来源是绝对疯狂的政策属于纳粹德国
327	to say that you have to take a medical a	说,你必须接受医疗a
328	medical procedure against your will or lose your family source of income	违背本人意愿或丧失家庭收入来源的医疗程序
329	To be ostracized from society	被排斥在社会之外
330	That is declaring people your enemy.	这就是宣布人们是你的敌人。
331	We did not declare mainstream media our enemy	我们没有宣布主流媒体是敌人
332	Mainstream media started to say that those who are not vaccinated should not even be allowed to leave their homes	主流媒体开始说,那些没有接种疫苗的人甚至不应离开家园。
333	I remind you I was double-jacked the reason LBC	我提醒你,我被LBC双劫了
334	canceled me from their station on	取消我从他们的车站
335	social media without warning with three months left on my contract is	没有警告的社交媒体和我合同中剩下的三个月是
336	Because I said I as a conscientious objector	因为我说过我是依良心拒服兵役者
337	Boycott not the vaccine, but the booster shot you say I have to take every six months	不是疫苗而是助推器射的你说我每半年要吃一次
338	now in	现在在
339	2025 in October	10月为2025年
340	How many of us in good faith and conscience can stand up here now and say yes?	我们有多少人有诚意和良心,现在能够站在这里答应?
341	We should have been taking that booster shot every six months or lose our jobs	我们本该每半年打一次助推枪或者丢掉工作
342	But that's the mainstream media narrative at the time it demonized the people that took a	但这是主流媒体的叙事当时它妖魔化了那些
343	Conscientious position on that and what I'm asking everybody here this evening to do is remember how it felt in those days	我今晚要大家做的就是记住那些日子的感受
344	Some of you would have been at school or college	你们中有些人会去学校或大学
345	Remember how it felt to speak out to speak out	记住说出来的感觉
346	Especially if you had a microphone and a platform such as I did meant to be demonized	特别是如果你有一个麦克风和一个平台我本来想被妖魔化的
347	Ostracized and completely canceled from society to a point where you almost disappeared in the public imagination	被社会排斥和完全取消以至于你几乎在公众的想象中消失
348	That was done to us by mainstream media, and it wasn't just the jab	这是主流媒体对我们做的不仅仅是刺杀
349	The lockdowns the mask mandates	封锁面具的任务
350	All of those mandates that came very few of those people that championed them and demonized those that criticized them would in	所有那些支持他们和将批评他们的人妖魔化的人中,很少有人得到授权。
351	2025 stand up and defend them in the way that they were back then and the point isn't to say that you shouldn't have taken	2025年站起来以他们当时的方式捍卫他们重点不是说你不应该采取
352	The vaccine, please understand.	疫苗,请理解。
353	I'm using very precise language	我用的语言非常精确
354	It's why I said the mandates the point is to say should you have been fired for refusing to take the booster shot every six months?	这就是为什么我说任务的关键是说你是否应该因为拒绝每半年一次的助推枪而被解雇?
355	That is the point as to what happened to us and it was very difficult at the time to speak out against it	这就是发生在我们身上的事当时很难大声反对
356	Wasn't just kovat look back to the 2020 US election and you find the same thing happened	不仅回顾2020年美国大选,
357	Because in the definition of mainstream media, I include big tech because big tech is a part of our mainstream media	因为主流媒体的定义中我包括了大科技因为大科技是我们主流媒体的一部分
358	Consumption today that cannot be denied and so it doesn't matter whether you like President Trump or not.	所以不管你是否喜欢川普总统,
359	Frankly, I don't care	老实说,我不在乎
360	I'm not party political.	我不是政党。
361	I was introduced as having stood for the Lib Dems that gives you some context in 2015	2015年我被介绍为Lib Dems的支持者,
362	I stood in Hampstead and Kilburn as a Liberal Democrat parliamentary candidate.	我作为自由民主党议员候选人站在汉普斯特德和基尔本。
363	I left that party.	我离开了派对。
364	I'm not a member of any party	我不是任何党员
365	So it's not about Trump.	所以这与特朗普无关.
366	The issue is this if you're a sitting president of the United States of America	问题是如果你是美国现任总统
367	You occupy the White House and yet Twitter Facebook Instagram ban you from their platforms	你占领了白宫却在推特上禁止你进入他们的平台
368	that censorship	那个审查制度
369	The hunter Biden laptop story ends up being true	猎人拜登的电脑故事最终是真的
370	Much of what Trump was banned from social media for speaking about ended up being true	特朗普在社交媒体上因谈论此事而被禁言,
371	No, thank you.	不谢谢
372	And it doesn't matter whether you like him or not.	不管你喜欢他与否都无所谓
373	What matters is the principle	重要的是原则
374	You're gonna hear from some of our colleagues on this side of the proposition some things you may not like	你会听到我们的一些同事在提案的这一边一些你可能不喜欢的东西
375	Some people that they champion that you may not want to champion and what I'd like you to understand again	有些人是他们冠军你可能不想冠军我想让你再次理解
376	Is that we are here to discuss?	我们是来讨论的吗?
377	Principles not personalities and what mainstream media has done is that it's eroded those principles	原则不是个性主流媒体所做的是它侵蚀了这些原则
378	Which principles am I speaking about?	我说的是什么原则?
379	principles such as freedom of speech	言论自由等原则
380	Principles such as holding power to account	诸如控股权等原则
381	Now during the kovat area era, it wasn't just the people in government	在科瓦特地区时代不仅仅是政府里的人
382	It was the entire media establishment	这是整个媒体机构
383	In fact the entire establishment across the board they took a consensus view on something that ended up being wrong	事实上,整个整个机构他们都对一些最终是错误的事持共识
384	Mainstream media did not do its job those that were doing the job got fired	主流媒体没有做它的工作那些做工作的人被解雇了
385	One of them is standing here in front of you right now	其中一个现在站在你面前
386	They were sacked from their positions and universally demonized	他们被解职被普遍妖魔化
387	In other words, what was mainstream media meant to do hold power to account	换句话说,主流媒体的本意是控制权力以追究责任
388	What did it do instead hold those people to account who were seeking to hold power to account in other words	换句话说,它做了什么来追究那些试图控制权力的人的责任?
389	Mainstream media made enemies out of us and you can take that coded example	主流媒体让我们成为敌人你可以拿这个编码的例子
390	You can take the US election example and you you can apply it on any number of issues whether it's the wars abroad	你可以拿美国选举为例, 你可以在任何问题上应用, 不管是海外战争
391	Whether it's Gaza whether it's Ukraine or indeed whether it's domestic policy.	不管是加萨还是乌克兰还是国内政策
392	You are being fed	你被喂饱了
393	Narratives and why are you being fed these narratives?	叙事和为什么你被喂这些叙事?
394	Because they are appealing to the lowest common denominator to achieve what they want to achieve.	因为他们呼吁最低共同标准实现他们想要实现的目标。
395	Who's they?	他们是谁?
396	Mainstream media is better termed as corporatist media	主流媒体更被称为社团媒体
397	It is owned by a very few small handful of people	它由极少数人拥有
398	Who believe certain things and then impose those things on the rest of us through their media agenda.	他们相信某些东西,然后通过媒体议程将这些东西强加给我们其他人。
399	And	还有
400	Yes, the people are not one	对,人民不是一体的
401	monolithic thing	独白的东西
402	Never should they be one monolithic thing unity in politics is fascism just as unity in religion is theocracy	他们不应该成为政治中的单一事物法西斯主义就像宗教中的统一一样
403	So there is not one people in that sense, I'll tell you what there is one of though	所以,在这个意义上,没有一个人, 我会告诉你什么是,虽然
404	there is a	有一个
405	principle a social contract that underlies this country's	以社会契约为原则
406	Democracy and that social contract includes principles such as freedom of speech	民主和社会契约包括言论自由等原则
407	Such as holding power to account and it's those principles that have been so	比如控制权力以及那些原则一直如此
408	Systematically eroded by mainstream media to a point now where something called cancel culture emerged	被主流媒体有步骤地侵蚀以至于现在出现了所谓的取消文化
409	There's a reason why it emerged people on the left people on the right and in the center have all been canceled	左边和中央的人都被取消了
410	But they weren't canceled	但是没有取消
411	Necessarily because they were on the left or the right	因为他们在左右
412	Because both sides have had people that have been canceled.	因为双方都有被取消的人
413	They were canceled because they questioned power or the agenda of the day	他们被取消了,因为他们质疑权力或当天的议程
414	And so this is beyond a left-right conversation.	因此,这是超越左 -右对话。
415	This is a conversation that I like to term as up and down	这个对话我喜欢用上下称呼
416	There are people in charge	有人负责
417	Who are making money from selling you narratives in the kovat era?	在科瓦特时代卖你的叙事谁会赚钱?
418	The money was coming from the Big Pharma agenda	钱来自大药典
419	But they are making money and profit from selling you narratives.	但是他们从出售你的叙述中赚钱和获利。
420	And if you question that agenda, that's when you get canceled	如果你质疑这个议程, 那就是你被取消
421	And so really what we'd ask you here today when you walk out of those doors and you choose which door to exit from	所以,真的我们今天会问你什么当你走出这些门, 你选择哪一扇门离开
422	We ask you to consider the message you would like to send if you're not happy about what happened in Gaza	如果你对加沙发生的事情不满意,我们请您考虑您要传达的信息。
423	If you're not happy about what happened in Ukraine	如果你对乌克兰发生的事不高兴
424	If you're not happy about what happened here during the kovat period or if you're not happy about what happened when a sitting president	如果你对科瓦特时期发生的事不满意或者你对现任总统的事不满意
425	Was ejected from social media in a country that holds freedom of speech as one of its constitutional values	在一个将言论自由作为其宪法价值之一的国家被社会媒体开除
426	If you're not happy about any of those examples, it doesn't matter if you're on the left or the right tonight	如果你对这些例子不满意今晚你左右都无所谓
427	You can use your vote to send a message and the message should be that things have to change	你可以用投票来传递一个信息信息应该是事情必须改变
428	They cannot continue the way they are	他们不能继续原样
429	Mainstream media is part of the dysfunctional status quo and with that I end.	主流媒体是功能失调现状的一部分,
430	Thank you very much.	谢谢
431	I	一、导言
432	Thank mr. Nawaz for his speech.	谢谢 Mr. 纳瓦兹演讲.
433	I now look to mr. Sweeney to continue the case for side opposition.	我现在要去找Mr. Sweeney继续为一方反对派辩护.
434	I	一、导言
435	Stand before you as an enemy of the people	站在你面前,作为人民的敌人
436	Nigel Farage has said of me	奈杰尔·法拉吉说过我
437	That I've caused him more trouble than anyone else in 25 years in politics.	我从政25年给他带来的麻烦比任何人都多
438	I	一、导言
439	have personally	有个人
440	to his face	当着他的面
441	challenge Vladimir Putin	弗拉基米尔·普京
442	About the killings in Ukraine.	关于乌克兰的杀戮事件.
443	I have challenged Donald Trump about his	我挑战唐纳德·特朗普
444	Association with a Russian-born gangster and I have pissed off to his face	和俄罗斯出身的黑帮勾结我惹怒了他
445	Tommy fucking Robinson and this lot	汤米他妈的罗宾逊和这群人
446	say I and	说
447	my colleagues	我的同事们
448	Who works or who have worked for the mainstream media are the enemy of the people?	谁是主流媒体的敌人?
449	Yeah, go ahead	说吧
450	Good observation and rather nice hats if I may say so	不错的观察和漂亮的帽子如果我可以说
451	By the way, I will take every single intervention because	顺便说一句,我会接受每一次干预,因为
452	I believe in democracy and	我相信民主和
453	Please Oxford Union listen if one of you	请牛津大学联听你们其中一位
454	Defends political violence, then they should fuck off	保卫政治暴力,那他们就滚蛋吧
455	so	这样
456	Yes, I worked for the Observer for 10 years and I worked for the BBC for 17 years	是的,我为观察家工作了10年我在英国广播公司工作了17年
457	And by the way, I could never swear on air once so I'm overcompensating	顺便说一句,我永远不能在空中发誓,一旦所以我过度补偿
458	And I apologize for that and I	我为此道歉,我
459	apologize for who I am and	为我是谁道歉
460	I apologize	对不起
461	For being a fucking dinosaur who believes in simple old-fashioned things	因为是一个他妈的恐龙谁相信简单的老式的东西
462	like truth and	喜欢真理和
463	Fairness and when you have a go at somebody when you don't like somebody like Donald Trump or Vladimir Putin or Robert fucking	公平当你不喜欢唐纳德·特朗普弗拉基米尔·普京或罗伯特这样的人时
464	Mugabe or Tommy fucking fucking Robinson, then you have to say to them	穆加贝或汤米他妈的罗宾逊, 那你必须告诉他们
465	Excuse me	对不起
466	This is what we're saying about you.	这就是我们所说的你。
467	You tell me Robinson.	你告诉我罗宾逊。
468	You're a racist you	你个种族主义者
469	Israeli Defense Force.	以色列国防军。
470	I mean, I don't know I mean hands up who's been to Gaza here.	我的意思是,我不知道我是说举起双手谁去过加沙这里。
471	Please put your hands up	请把手举起来
472	I've been too.	我也去过
473	So there's four of us	我们四个人
474	Okay, I went in	好,我进去了
475	2003	联合国
476	To investigate the murder of my friend James Miller by the Israeli Defense Force	调查我的朋友詹姆斯·米勒被以色列国防军谋杀
477	He was a wonderful cameraman and the great he taught my kids how to serve	他是一个出色的摄影师和伟大的他教我的孩子如何服务
478	My son was quite good.	我儿子还不错
479	My daughter my daughter herself has said Molly	我女儿我女儿自己说莫莉
480	like she could she can fall over on dry land and there's this an awful moment when James who's a wonderful surfer and he's	就像她可以掉到干燥的土地上有个可怕的时刻詹姆斯是个出色的冲浪手
481	Pushing her and he says stand up Molly and Molly	推她,他说站起来莫莉和莫莉
482	Stands up and she rides.	站起来,她骑。
483	She's seven.	她才七岁
484	She rides into the beach at Croyde and she gets off	她骑着马去克罗伊德的海滩然后就下车了
485	The surfboard as if she was getting off a London bus	冲浪板就像她从伦敦巴士上下车一样
486	It was so cool and James did that and then he was making a film in Gaza in	这太酷了,詹姆斯这样做然后他正在加沙拍摄一部电影
487	2003 and he was	2003年时,他
488	Waving a white flag press at night and he was shot dead	晚上挂着白旗的报纸,被枪杀了
489	by a member of the Israeli Defense Force and	以色列国防军一名成员和
490	that was shortly after	不久就结束了
491	The killing of Rachel Corey and the effective killing of Tom Herndon and I did a film about that	瑞秋·科里被杀汤姆·赫尔登和我拍了一部电影
492	And by the way, so you all understand this	顺便说一句你们都明白
493	the Israeli	以色列常驻联合国代表
494	Foreign Ministry	外交部
495	Told the BBC bosses and by the way, I used to call the BBC bosses the jellyfish	告诉BBC老板,我常叫BBC老板水母
496	Please listen to that.	请听这个。
497	That's not a compliment	这不是赞美
498	but	不过
499	they said if	他们说,如果
500	你负责Sweeney的纪录片
501	We're gonna close the news bureau the BBC news bureau in Jerusalem	我们要关闭新闻局英国广播公司在耶路撒冷的新闻局
502	And I was at a party and there's the head of the news and current affairs	我当时在派对上有个新闻和时事负责人
503	The BBC and I say you're gonna kill our program because if you do you're in trouble and	BBC和我说你会杀了我们的节目因为如果你这样做,你有麻烦了
504	And my boss said	我老板说
505	Stop threatening me John.	别威胁我,约翰
506	I said you're gonna kill our program	我说你会杀了我们的节目
507	and he said no and they run it and	他说不,他们运行它,
508	Part of being a journalist in the mainstream media is about trying to tell the truth and giving the other side an	作为主流媒体的记者的一部分就是要说出真相让对方
509	Opportunity to defend themselves, but it's also about standing up for what we believe in	为自己辩护的机会, 但也是为了捍卫我们所相信的
510	inside the organization and	组织内部和
511	Believe believe me in the observer and the BBC and across all of the mainstream media	相信观察者英国广播公司以及主流媒体
512	there are	有个
513	Great people who argue with the bosses to say run this story and that happens time and time again	伟大的人谁争吵老板说运行这个故事发生一次又一次
514	Yes, go ahead by the way, very good beanie	是的,顺路走,很好吃
515	By the way, I particularly will accept points of from people with beanies	顺便说一句,我特别会接受豆子人的点
516	But you should go for a more exciting color	但你应该更兴奋的颜色
517	Doesn't your story prove that in fact the mainstream media as an institution is an enemy of the people and it's individual journalists	难道你的故事不能证明主流媒体作为一个机构是人民的敌人,这是个人记者
518	Who are fighting against their bosses to get that?	谁在和他们的老板打架?
519	I'm afraid I would say that the phrase enemy of the people is from the fascist dictionary	恐怕我会说人民的敌人是法西斯字典里的
520	I don't like it.	我不喜欢它。
521	I don't yes.	我不赞成
522	Why aren't you wearing a hat?	你为什么不戴帽子?
523	Yeah, okay.	是啊,没关系。
524	Okay.	摆
525	I'll take the point of information	我来告诉你
526	Chosen to speak on this motion and merely say that a phrase sounds like it's bad belongs to a certain type of group	选择就这个动议发言仅仅说一个词听起来很坏属于某种类型的群体
527	I mean actually this is exactly how the mainstream media has been attacking people.	我的意思是,实际上这就是主流媒体是如何攻击人的。
528	I say things sound bad	我说这听起来很糟
529	Even we have no factual information.	连我们都没有事实资料
530	Don't you agree?	你不同意吗?
531	And if you don't like the wording of the motion, why are you speaking on it?	如果你不喜欢动议的措辞, 你为什么在它上说话?
532	I'll carry on	我继续
533	so	这样
534	enemy of the people is a phrase that presumes there is a people and	人民之敌是假设有人民和
535	Actually, I don't think democratic societies work like that	其实,我不认为民主社会是这样工作的
536	I believe passionately that you and you and you and and everybody here is a right to say their thing	我充满激情地相信你和你你和这里的每一个人都有权利说出他们的事
537	And I will defend that and right now	我会捍卫这一点,现在
538	I've got great friends in the Ukrainian army who are trying to defend	在乌克兰军队里,我有很多朋友想保卫
539	Ukraine's freedom of speech and freedom to live in a democratic society	乌克兰的言论自由和在民主社会中生活的自由
540	And I think they're right at the front line of this and and I by the way, I also think	我觉得他们就在前线而我也觉得
541	that there are good Russians and	有好的俄罗斯人和
542	I've argued	我争吵过
543	With friends in the Ukrainian army in a Ukrainian army base	和乌克兰军队的朋友在乌克兰军队基地里
544	Not that far from the front line on that point and it wasn't very popular, but I stick to my guns	离前线不远,而且不太受欢迎但我坚持用枪
545	By the way, we're talking about Cove it	顺便说一句,我们是在说科弗
546	Majid is saying	马吉德说
547	but sorry	对不起
548	magic, sorry, um	魔法,对不起,嗯
549	magic was saying	魔法说
550	Cove it and the Cove it vaccine	弯曲它和弯曲它疫苗
551	was	当时是
552	There's a great issue there now.	现在有一个伟大的问题。
553	I know	и笵
554	Majid is a great communicator and	马吉德是一个伟大的通讯家
555	He had a show on LBC	他在LBC有场演出
556	But I'm as a friend of mine.	但我作为我的朋友。
557	I met him in a pub man in the pub and	我在酒吧里认识他的
558	That man in the pub.	酒吧里那个男人
559	He disagrees with magic.	他不同意魔术。
560	He says he's wrong	他说他错了
561	The man in the pub is over there stand up	酒吧里那个男人站在那里
562	What's your name?	你叫什么来着?
563	Did you meet me in a pub?	你在酒吧见过我吗?
564	What do you do for a living?	你是做什么的吗?
565	At which university	大学
566	How many medical papers have you written in your career	你写过多少医学论文
567	What do you think about the Cove it vaccine	你觉得库弗疫苗怎么样?
568	Evidence ladies and gentlemen, yeah	证据女士们先生们,是的
569	The argument was not that the vaccine was a bad thing.	论点不是疫苗是坏事。
570	The argument was that we should be mandated to take it.	其论点是,应当授权我们这样做。
571	It can really set up a point	它真的可以设置一个点
572	I don't think so.	亦不见.
573	I	一、导言
574	I don't think so.	亦不见.
575	I think I think you all should understand a simple thing	我觉得你们应该明白一件事
576	That there is something called quality in life	生活有所谓品质的东西
577	There is quality of engineering	有工程质量
578	There's there's beauty and there's quality of evidence and	有美貌证据质量和
579	When a DJ says something and the professor of neuroendocrinology	当一个DJ说些什么和神经内分泌学教授
580	Who's written a thousand papers says something?	谁写了一千篇论文说些什么?
581	Somebody in the mainstream media has a duty to weigh that and say no listen	主流媒体里有人有重担说不准听
582	listen people	听别人说
583	Because you can end up in an appalling situation	因为你会陷入可怕的境地
584	Where diseases which were	哪些疾病
585	Disappeared because of the magic the wonder of medical science are now coming back for example in the United States	因为魔法而消失医学的奇迹现在又回到美国
586	Because pig-ignorant nonsense is peddled not in the mainstream media	因为猪的无稽之谈不是在主流媒体上
587	but in the new social media, which has been captured by	但是在新的社交媒体中,它被
588	fascists and anti-semitics and	法西斯主义者和反种族隔离主义者
589	Islamophobes and all of them	伊斯兰之父和他们所有人
590	They have no authority.	他们没有权力。
591	They have no evidence behind them	他们后面没有证据
592	They are lying to you and we must stand up for truth and justice and that is why you should support our arguments	他们骗你我们必须坚持真理和正义所以你应该支持我们的论点
593	Thank you so much.	非常感谢
594	Mr. Sweeney for that speech.	斯威尼先生的演讲。
595	I now look for speakers from the floor	我现在在地上找发言者
596	I if you want to speak, please raise your hand.	如果你想说话,请举手
597	I recognize the member in the second row	我认得第二排的成员
598	Give him a thought of them	给他想想看
599	He's actually adding a really good point as	他实际上增加了一个非常好的观点
600	Why media really matters nowadays is actually contributing to the opposition point because	媒体为何真正重要,
601	We often say that a freedom of speech is the cornerstone of the democracy	我们常说言论自由是民主的基石
602	But we must recognize this the freedom of the speech does not exist in the back in the vacuum	但是我们必须承认这一点言论自由在真空中不存在
603	And we must recognize this the freedom of the speech	我们必须承认这是言论自由
604	Actually needs a platform	其实需要一个平台
605	It needs fertile ground and the mainstream media is this ground without the public platform that is both	它需要肥沃的土壤主流媒体是这片没有公共平台的土壤
606	authoritative and accountable	权威和问责
607	The voice of the people who struggle to be heard and the dissenting views who struggle to be understood	争着被倾听的人的声音和争着被理解的不同意见
608	The mainstream media provides a structure space where opposition is not only expressed	主流媒体提供了一个不仅表达反对的结构空间
609	but	不过
610	Taken seriously and amplified since opposition is a necessary supplementary position	认真对待和扩大,因为反对是必要的补充立场
611	Mainstream media is not only the channel through which decent is expressed	主流媒体不仅是表达体面的渠道
612	It is also a legitimate and the visible target for dissent to organize around and allows	持不同政见者组织起来,
613	Opposition to focus to unify and gain	反对集中力量实现统一和利益
614	Attractions without mainstream media the world will be fragmented into countless self-media bubbles	没有主流媒体的吸引,世界将分裂成无数的自我媒体泡沫
615	Descending voices will be scattered unable to form consensus and	低调的声音会分散无法形成共识
616	ultimately weakened and this fragmentation erodes the strength of the public resistance and	最终被削弱,这种分裂侵蚀了公众抵抗的力量,
617	Undermines the very power of democracy	削弱民主的力量
618	So to label mainstream media as an enemy of the people is an attack on truth and a threat to democracy	所以把主流媒体贴上人民敌人的标签就是对真理的攻击对民主的威胁
619	So I firmly believe that the media and the mainstream media is not an enemy	所以我坚信媒体和主流媒体不是敌人
620	It's an ally of the people and the conscience of the society	是人民和社会良知的盟友
621	and	和
622	We wanted to support	我们想支持
623	Our Judy support opposition to define our collective rights to know and speak	我们的朱迪支持反对确定我们的集体知情权和发言权
624	I thank the member for his speech.	我感谢该成员的发言。
625	我现在要去找Mr. {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}霍华德继续做侧面提议
626	Thank you very much.	谢谢
627	Mr. President for the invitation.	总统先生,请。
628	It's a night to be back at the Oxford Union.	这是一个晚上回到牛津大学联盟。
629	This is the third time	这是第三次了
630	I've spoken now	我说话了
631	Before this very union and I'm slightly worried that that might make me a bit	在这之前,我有点担心这可能会让我有点
632	Establishment a bit mainstream.	建立一点主流。
633	I'm slightly worried.	我有点担心
634	I might start arguing against myself, but I'll tell you why I won't	我可能会开始反对自己但我会告诉你为什么我不会
635	Because I think this motion has been	因为我认为这个动议是
636	fundamentally	其实
637	Misconstrued perhaps deliberately so by the opposition this evening.	今晚反对派可能故意误解了这一点。
638	What do we mean by mainstream media?	主流媒体是什么意思?
639	Actually one of the one of the issues that was brought up by the opposition was really instructive they said established	事实上,反对党提出的问题之一确实是很有启发性的,他们说已经成立
640	established media	既定媒体
641	Okay, we're talking about a sector in our economy where the big players that currently exist are	好吧,我们说的是我们经济中的一个部门在那里,目前存在的大角色
642	If we're to oppose this motion tonight are to hold a special and protected status	我们今晚要反对这个动议就是保持特殊和受保护的地位
643	Against any new entrance into the market	禁止任何新的进入市场
644	We even heard an allusion to other types of businesses that perhaps don't have this special revered status	我们甚至听到关于其他类型的企业的暗示也许没有这种特别的尊崇地位
645	We heard McDonald's mentioned just earlier	我们听到麦当劳刚才提到
646	We don't say that McDonald's is a mainstream	我们不说麦当劳是主流
647	restaurant and that no other new	餐厅,没有其他新的
648	Restaurants can be founded because they might challenge the delicate ecosystem of our current extant businesses	餐厅可以成立因为他们可能挑战我们当前企业的微妙生态系统
649	We didn't say in 2007 that we have a mainstream	我们2007年没说过我们有一个主流
650	Mobile phone manufacturing industry and we must protect Nokia and Blackberry and	我们必须保护诺基亚和黑莓
651	Motorola we allowed new entrants to come on and we allowed this	摩托罗拉我们允许新来的人来我们允许这样
652	Change that we see in sector after sector.	改变我们所看到的部门后。
653	We allowed for pluralism.	我们允许多元化。
654	We allowed for development	我们允许发展
655	the risk	风险
656	Pro-experience	亲经验
657	Thank you so much for your points and I raised you one better I don't just work for GB news	谢谢你的点子,我给你提了个好点的我不只是为GB新闻工作
658	I also write for the Telegraph.	我也为"电报报"写作.
659	I've written for the New Statesman for the spectator	我给新政治家写了给观众的信
660	I'm imbued with mainstream media.	我被主流媒体迷住了
661	Absolutely.	当然
662	But what I'm arguing tonight is that no mainstream media organization should be put on a pedestal	但我今晚争论的是任何主流媒体组织都不应该被设置在台阶上
663	what I'm arguing tonight is that the motion that we're describing is about whether or not we allow for media pluralism is for	今晚我争论的是我们所描述的议案是关于我们是否允许媒体多元化
664	whether or not we say that media organizations that have happened to exist for a long time that are described commonly as	我们是否说,那些偶然存在的媒体组织已经存在了很长时间,它们通常被描述为
665	Mainstream media whether they should have a special and revered status in society over and above any new entrant to the market	主流媒体在任何新的市场参与者之外是否应在社会中享有特殊和受人尊敬的地位
666	It is my contention that they absolutely should not it is my contention that we should oppose	我的论点是他们绝对不应该... ...
667	Oligopoly in all of its forms and it is my contention that the world in which these large organizations grew up	形形色色的奥利戈波利我的论点是这些大型组织成长的世界
668	across the	横跨
669	19th and indeed 20th centuries were very different worlds to the access to media that we have today	19世纪,甚至20世纪媒体的开放与我们今天的世界大不相同
670	the lobby journalism style of information is	大厅新闻风格的信息是
671	Fundamentally outdated and restricting access to various different media upstarts or indeed	基本上过时,限制人们接触各种媒体,或实际上
672	Brilliant independence journalists as we've heard from from the opposition	我们从反对派那里听到的杰出的独立记者
673	What I think this motion is really about is whether or not these established media organizations want	我认为这个动议的真正意义是这些既定的媒体组织是否想要
674	Competition you have another intervention	比赛你还有别的事要做
675	I'm really glad that point is brought up	我真的很高兴你提到这一点
676	I'm really glad that point is brought up because I think a lot of people have missed	我真的很高兴提出这一点因为我认为很多人都错过了
677	What I thought was a pretty obvious joke in the title of this debate	这场辩论的题目上,我认为这是个很明显的笑话
678	Enemies of the people is perhaps the most famous newspaper headline from a mainstream media	人民敌人也许是主流媒体最著名的报纸头条
679	Organization in November 2016	2016年11月组织.
680	We heard it from our first speaker on this side of the debate this evening enemies of the people the front page of the Daily Mail	我们从今晚辩论的第一位发言人那里听到的《每日邮报》的头版
681	Those pictures of those three Supreme Court justices the Gina Miller decision on brexit isn't isn't it an obvious situation?	那三位最高法院法官的照片吉娜·米勒关于Brexit的裁决不是很明显的吗?
682	That that line used in this motion is	这个运动所用的线条是
683	Ironic is it not an obvious point to say that some of these organizations that we revere as mainstream media	讽刺的是,说一些我们作为主流媒体所敬仰的组织,并不是一个明显的观点。
684	Have been the very organizations that have brought into this rhetoric that has been so opposed	一直以来,正是这些组织在这种言辞中提出反对。
685	Ironically by the opposition this evening in many ways those features could be turned on their head	具有讽刺意味的是,今晚的反对派在许多方面,这些特征可能被打开他们的头
686	They've been arguing against themselves, but fundamentally what this side is arguing for is for greater media	他们一直反对自己, 但从根本上讲,这一方所主张的是更大的媒体。
687	Plurality and that is what this motion means tonight	多次,这就是今晚这个动议的意义
688	I	一、导言
689	Fundamentally don't think so sir because I think what we've seen I think what we've seen from the opposition this evening is a	基本上不这么认为,先生,因为我认为我们已经看到我认为我们从反对派今晚看到
690	Fundamentally confused arguments.	根本是混淆不清的论点。
691	We've seen a verbose argument	我们见过一个动词辩论
692	We've seen an argument about whether or not people should be allowed to oppose or be in favor of various cove it policies	我们已经看到一个争论关于是否应该允许人们反对或支持各种渴望它的政策
693	Might I put it on the record that I think vaccines are fantastic	我能否郑重声明我觉得疫苗很棒
694	But I also don't think that we should cancel people who have different political views	但我也不认为我们应该取消那些持不同政见的人
695	I mean, this is the most extraordinary	我的意思是,这是最不寻常的
696	Situation that we found ourselves in there is a difference between saying vaccines are good and vaccines work and saying that that is somehow	说疫苗是好的说疫苗是有用的
697	Meaning that there is a particular policy and how best to deliver them	意味着有特定政策以及如何最好地落实这些政策
698	I think you'll find higher vaccine hesitancy in countries that try to deliver harsher mandates	我想你会发现,在那些试图执行更严厉任务的国家,疫苗的犹豫度会更高。
699	I think there's a really strong pro-vaccine argument for choice in this area	我觉得这个领域有种非常强烈的赞成疫苗的主张
700	I think sometimes we're just completely misunderstanding the point of these arguments	我觉得有时候我们只是完全误解了这些论点的要点
701	But I return to some of these points that I was making at the start the survival of any business	但是,我回到了这些要点,我在开始任何生意的生存。
702	Means that it should be open to competition	意味着它应当向竞争开放
703	There's a premiere of an	有一个首演
704	Canadian province who has been broadcasting	一直在广播的加拿大省
705	Adverts the United States of America	广告美利坚合众国
706	Their adverts that have taken the voice of Ronald Reagan in one of his fantastic diatribes against tariffs	他们的广告吸引了罗纳德·里根的声音在他的奇异的迪阿特里布对抗关税
707	It's been playing out across Republican voting states in the United States	在美国的共和党各选举州都在玩耍
708	And what does he say he says we shouldn't call it protectionism.	他说我们不应该称之为保护主义。
709	We should call it	我们应该叫它
710	Destructionism when you try to protect an industry whether that be with tariff walls or putting	当你试图保护一个工业时破坏主义不管是用关税墙还是放
711	Established media organizations on a pedestal those very organizations might then get lazy	已经成立的媒体组织在脚踏实地这些组织可能会变得懒惰
712	What we see in country after country that tries to insulate its industry with high tariffs or different	在试图以高关税或不同关税使工业绝缘的国家,我们所看到的
713	Regulations that tries to keep out competition those same domestic industries degrade and it is precisely analogous	试图避免竞争的条例使同样的国内产业退化,这恰恰是类似的。
714	precisely analogous to media	与媒体完全相似
715	Organizations to the media isn't some special unique different sort of business	对媒体来说,组织并不是什么独特的不同业务
716	It's analogous to any other sort of business	这跟其他生意差不多
717	so if you wouldn't say a mainstream mobile phone	所以如果你不说主流手机
718	manufacturer if you wouldn't see say a	制造商,如果你看不到说一个
719	mainstream restaurant if you wouldn't say a	主流餐厅,如果你不说
720	Mainstream search engine or technology company then don't say mainstream media	主流搜索引擎或科技公司不说主流媒体
721	Why are we creating a category of established players and putting them in this category that cannot be criticized	为什么我们要创造出一类既定角色把它们归入这一类无法批评
722	So yes this evening vote with the motion vote that the concept of a mainstream	所以今晚的投票是肯定的动议表决是主流的概念
723	Media is an enemy of a free and democratic and open and pluralistic	媒体是自由民主、开放和多元化的敌人。
724	Society what I'm arguing for before you tonight	今晚我在你们面前主张的
725	Is that the very concept of putting some of these media organizations in a bucket that says	这就是把这些媒体组织放到一个说
726	Untouchable in a bucket that says protect in a bucket that says do not criticize	不可接触的桶里说保护桶里说不批评
727	Then we are heading for an undemocratic society.	然后,我们走向一个不民主的社会。
728	Yes, sir	是,长官
729	I	一、导言
730	Think it's a really interesting point.	认为这是一个非常有趣的点。
731	I think it's an open question as to whether people perceive GB news to be a mainstream media organization	我认为,人们是否将GB新闻视为主流媒体组织,这是一个公开的问题.
732	I know some people who say it is.	我知道有些人会说
733	I know some people who say it isn't but what I would say is fundamentally	我知道有些人说它不是, 但我会说从根本上
734	We shouldn't be beyond criticism	我们不应该被批评
735	I disagree with loads of my colleagues on loads of things and I think that's healthy and I think fundamentally what this argument is	我不同意我的同事们关于负载的事情,我觉得这很健康,而且我基本上认为这个论点是什么。
736	From our side of the debate this evening from the proposition for which you should vote is to say that we should have open	从我们这一边的辩论来看,你应该投票支持的主张是,我们应当开放
737	Democratic pro	民主派
738	Criticism all of these different things.	批评所有这些不同的东西。
739	We should allow	我们应该允许
740	A thousand flowers to bloom in the media space in this country	千花开在这个国家的媒体空间
741	And I fear that the opposition tonight is saying precisely the opposite the opposition tonight is saying protect the established players	我担心今晚的反对派说正相反今晚的反对派说保护既定的球员
742	Whereas this side of the debate this side of the motion the proposition this evening is say allow that competition	辩论的这一面动议的这一面今晚的提议是允许竞争
743	Allow that criticism allow that democracy vote with the motion tonight	允许这种批评允许民主投票今晚动议
744	Thank you.	谢谢
745	I now look to mr. Christian bout and can continue the case beside opposition	我现在要去找Mr. 克里斯蒂安·布特(Christian Bout)可以继续办案,
746	Thank you	谢谢
747	It's great.	赞曰.
748	I want to be here.	我想在这里。
749	Thank you very much for inviting the mainstream media in this week	非常感谢你邀请了本周的主流媒体
750	when I first received the	当我第一次收到
751	Invitation to join you all this evening.	今晚邀请大家一起来
752	I was of course I was delighted	我当然很高兴
753	then I read the email again, and I read down to	然后我又读了一封邮件,我读到
754	The part that said the title of the motion there in bold type the mainstream media is the enemy the people	主流媒体用粗体字表示运动的题目是敌人人民
755	We've had a lot of discussion about what the people means whether the people really exists	我们有很多讨论关于人民意味着什么人民是否真的存在
756	I'm going to admit that I feel quite queasy quite uneasy	我要承认我感觉很不舒服
757	About being here as a representative of the dreaded mainstream media because rather than	关于作为恐怖主流媒体的代表来到这里,因为,而不是
758	Assuming that that title gives a sense of protectionism.	假设这个头衔具有保护主义的感觉。
759	I don't know.	师曰.
760	I don't hear that phrase used very positively many times	我听人说那句话好多次了
761	It's not usually a it's not usually a	平时不是
762	with a tone of flattery	以恭维的语气
763	So we've had	所以我们有
764	Malcolm X quoted earlier.	马尔科姆十世先前引用.
765	I'm going to lower the tone substantially here	我要把音调大大降低
766	I'm gonna I'm going to quote Groucho Marx and say that I'm not sure I want to belong to any club that will accept me	我要引用Groucho Marx的话说我不想加入任何接受我的俱乐部
767	As a member of the serious point here besides my identity crisis	除了我的身份危机之外,我还是个严肃的人
768	It's really I want to ask is there really any such things is kind of single-point mainstream media	我真的想问,真的有任何这样的东西是一类单一点的主流媒体
769	That's the enemy of anyone here	是这里的敌人
770	In is the independent am I	我独立了吗?
771	Representative of that mainstream media and is the independent really a typical	代表主流媒体独立是典型的
772	Representative of mainstream media if you think so we're not trying hard enough	主流媒体的代表,如果你认为我们不够努力
773	if you think so we're not trying hard enough	如果你觉得我们不够努力
774	Because the Independent was established back in 1986 to address many of the problems with mainstream media.	因为"独立报"早在1986年就成立,用来与主流媒体解决许多问题.
775	Mainstream media is not perfect.	主流媒体不完美.
776	We were established to be an antidote to proprietary influence and narrow political influence.	我们的建立是为了解脱专有影响和狭隘的政治影响。
777	There were papers to the left already, there were papers to the right already.	左边有文件,右边有文件
778	And 30 years on when I became editor, I certainly went out of my way to ensure that opinions from across a range of a whole spectrum were present in the Independent.	30年后,当我成为编辑时, 我当然走在了一边,确保各种观点都出现在《独立报》中。
779	It is called the Independent for a reason.	它被称为独立者是有原因的。
780	So where does this leave us in 2025 though?	2025年,这给我们留下了什么?
781	Because that's different from when I was editor, so that was some years ago.	因为那和我当编辑时不一样所以那是几年前的事了
782	Well, this is what I believe.	嗯,这就是我相信的。
783	I believe that in a world facing a crisis of truth and trust from AI deepfakes, malevolent agendas, dangerous divisions and power games,	我相信,在一个面临来自AI深层假象、恶意议程、危险的分裂和权力游戏的真相和信任危机的世界中,
784	it's the independence of the Independent that's a good response that we need now more than ever.	独立党的独立是我们比以往任何时候都需要的好回应。
785	Our mission is to create a platform of truth and trust,	我们的任务是建立一个真相和信任的平台,
786	free from what I would say is mainstream media bias that we see too much.	我想说的是主流媒体偏见,
787	Serving audiences by giving them the freedom to think for themselves,	为观众服务让他们有为自己思考的自由
788	live their own life, confident they're not victims of dogma or distortion.	相信自己不是教条或歪曲的受害者
789	Now at this point, I should say that for the record, they're my words.	现在,我应该说,为了记录在案,它们就是我的话。
790	I can't speak for the editor-in-chief and I don't mean that we've disagreed on the subject so that we've fallen out.	我不能代表主编发言,也不代表我们对此主题有不同意见,以致于掉下去.
791	What I mean is I really can't speak for the editor-in-chief.	我的意思是我真的不能代表主编说话.
792	I was involved in writing the code that says I'm not allowed to because the influence of the business should not be present in the journalism.	我参与写了代码说不允许我这样做因为企业的影响不应该出现在新闻界
793	And for anyone who knows him, knows him from maybe his time at St. Peter's College just down the road from here,	对于任何认识他的人来说或许他从圣彼得学院开始就认识他
794	you would know that good luck if I tried to control Geordie Gregg.	如果我想控制Geordie Gregg 你会知道好运的
795	And the rules are just as clear on shareholder influence too.	规则对股东的影响力同样明确。
796	And you'll say, so what?	你会说,那又怎样?
797	You'll say they're just rules, they're just a document, you know, we all know how it really works.	你会说它们只是规则,它们只是一个文件, 你知道,我们都知道它是如何真正工作的。
798	And I would say, judge us by our journalism, not your conspiracy theories.	我会说,通过新闻来评判我们,而不是你的阴谋论.
799	And I would say, tell me another mainstream media outlet that's upset quite as rich a tapestry of different political parties over the years.	我想说,告诉我另一个主流媒体的渠道多年来,它让不同的政党都非常不安。
800	It's often said that the job of journalism is to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.	人们常说,新闻工作是安慰受难者和折磨舒适的人.
801	Maybe we should have a little addendum in there that says we should try to afflict as many people with different ranges of opinions and political ideologies as possible.	也许我们应该有一个小小的增编, 上面说我们应该尽量折磨尽可能多的人持有不同的意见和政治意识形态。
802	So does that mean that everyone makes a differentiation when they talk about mainstream media?	这是否意味着每个人都在谈论主流媒体时有所区别?
803	Does that mean everyone really thinks about the independent or thinks about anything else or thinks about what everyone stands for?	这是否意味着每个人都真正考虑独立者,或者考虑其他什么,或者考虑每个人代表什么?
804	Well, you know what?	你知道吗?
805	I think they do.	我想他们知道
806	I don't think everyone does put mainstream media into one bucket.	我不认为每个人都会把主流媒体放入一桶。
807	And I'll tell you why.	我告诉你为什么。
808	Because the Reuters Institute at Oxford does a survey of trust in media every year.	因为牛津路透社每年对媒体进行信任调查.
809	And I can tell you that 18% of the public do not trust the independent.	我可以告诉你,18%的公众不信任独立者。
810	But then I can also tell you that 24% of the British public don't trust the BBC.	但我也可以告诉你,24%的英国公众不信任英国广播公司.
811	So 18% is not so bad.	因此,18%不是那么糟糕。
812	I'll leave you to tell people how GP News gets on in that survey, no doubt.	我让你告诉大家GP新闻如何在调查,毫无疑问。
813	But we can't be, if we're the enemy of the people, we can't be the enemy of very many people if only 18% don't trust us.	但我们不能,如果我们是人民的敌人,如果我们只有18%不信任我们,我们就不能是很多人的敌人.
814	Yes, who was that?	是谁?
815	So I think quite, there's someone coughing just next to you there, sorry.	所以,我想相当,有人咳嗽就在你旁边,对不起。
816	Isn't it, of course, it's independently good.	当然,它不是独立好的。
817	In fact, it seems that the papers of the highest circulation, the Sun, the Daily Mail and the Telegraph, are themselves just like the vast majority of British people.	事实上,发行量最高的报纸"太阳报","每日邮报"和"电报报",似乎本身就和绝大多数英国人一样.
818	Actually, well, we're online now, so we don't have a print circulation.	实际上,我们现在在线上, 所以我们没有印刷品流通。
819	But we're the most read news publication online, apart from the BBC in this country.	但我们是网上阅读最多的新闻出版物,除了这个国家的BBC.
820	So we're actually good.	所以我们是真正的好。
821	So I wouldn't say that it's anything to do with popularity.	所以我不会说这跟受欢迎无关
822	I think that actually being big, if that makes us mainstream, is quite a good thing.	我认为,如果这让我们成为主流,那么,做大其实是件好事。
823	But suffice to say that not all members of the mainstream live up to the dubious reputation of being in the mainstream.	但可以说,并非所有主流成员都享有在主流中的可疑声誉。
824	But you do get tribalism, you get bias in all walks of life, you get bias in the critics of the mainstream.	但是,你确实得到部落主义, 你得到偏见在各行各业, 你得到偏见在批评主流。
825	You often get the people in the blue corner taking a swing at the mainstream media in the red corner, and you get people in the red corner taking a swing at the mainstream media in the blue corner.	你经常让蓝角的人在红角对主流媒体大摇大摆,让红角的人在蓝角对主流媒体大摆大摆.
826	That happens too.	这种事也会发生
827	Anyway, I suppose I should really be talking about not so much the mainstream media, but I should also be talking about the rest of that email that I received,	无论如何,我想我真的应该谈论不是太多主流媒体, 但我也应该谈论其余的邮件,我收到,
828	which talks about these terrible podcast bros who were kind of rising up to kind of disrupt all the kind of new media that was appearing and why that's so terrible.	讲述了这些可怕的播客兄弟他们正在起身一种扰乱各种新媒体正在出现,为什么如此可怕。
829	I should be telling you about certain interviews with US presidents that become incredibly influential.	我该告诉你一些采访美国总统的变得非常有影响力。
830	But I don't really want to do that, because actually I agree with something you said.	但我真的不想这样做, 因为我实际上同意你说的话。
831	I think that the mainstream media is there to be disrupted.	我认为主流媒体应该受到干扰。
832	I think there's some really compelling reporting happening on YouTube and in subsect newsletters and on podcasts as well.	我认为在YouTube上, 在小昆虫通讯上, 在播客上,
833	But I would ask you to consider this.	但我想请你考虑一下
834	Would you feel better informed about the world if the individual influencers that you saw on your social media streams were all you had?	如果你在社交媒体上看到的个人影响者就是你所拥有的一切,你会更了解这个世界吗?
835	Would you feel better informed if the websites and the newspapers and the TV channels and Sky and whoever people want to kind of point the finger at,	如果网站、报纸、电视频道、Sky 以及人们想指手画脚的人
836	if they just stopped existing tomorrow, would you feel better informed?	如果他们只是停止存在明天,你会觉得更好的知情?
837	Would you, when you see a creator on your social newsfeed, do you know everything about them?	当你在社交新闻上看到一个创造者你会知道他们的一切吗?
838	Do you know what ideological background they have, why they got into that game?	你知道他们有什么思想背景吗? 为什么他们要加入那个游戏?
839	Do you know why they do what they do?	你知道他们为什么这么做吗?
840	Do you know if they put the accusation they're saying to the person they're saying it about before they put it out there?	你知不知道他们把指控放在他们说的人之前,他们把它放在那里?
841	Do you know why they're telling you this fact, not another fact?	你知道他们为什么告诉你这个事实而不是另一个事实吗?
842	Why are we in the mainstream?	我们为什么进入主流?
843	Do I see elements hanging from us?	我看见我们身上挂着元素吗?
844	There are teams of fact-checkers, there are people back in the office who sometimes challenge the reporting that we get to make sure whether we think it's balanced or not.	有一些事实调查组, 有一些人回到办公室里, 他们有时质疑的报告, 我们得到确保我们是否认为它是平衡的。
845	We organise access into really difficult-to-reach places to strive for that extra perspective.	我们组织进入真正难以到达的地方,以争取这种额外的视角。
846	Is that happening all the time in the kind of social video reporting that we see?	我们所看到的社交视频报道中,
847	Please, if you want to make a point of information, stand up.	请,如果你想做一个要点的信息,站起来。
848	If the speaker recognises you, then you can make the point.	如果发言者认出你,你就可以说出重点。
849	All the things, the so-called maybe guardrails, all these ethics you've mentioned, they haven't stopped the mainstream media from spreading this information.	所有的事情,所谓的护栏, 你提到的这些伦理, 他们没有阻止主流媒体传播这些信息。
850	So the question still stands.	所以问题依然存在。
851	Well, when we get things wrong, we are legally responsible for that content.	好吧,当我们弄错了, 我们在法律上要为这个内容负责。
852	So we are legally responsible for the facts that we put out there, which is not always the case outside of the mainstream media is the point I'm trying to make there.	所以我们要对我们公布的事实承担法律责任, 主流媒体之外的情况并非总是如此, 这正是我试图说明的问题。
853	So the point I want to make is that isn't it good that the people you see on your screens, the individuals who bring the news, isn't it good that they're part of something bigger?	所以我想说的是,你在屏幕上看到的人, 带来新闻的人, 是不是很好?
854	Because doesn't that make it easier to hold those reporters to account, just as reporters are meant to hold the power to account?	因为这难道不方便让那些记者负责吗? 就像记者有权负责一样?
855	Wouldn't you also say that it's then easier when you're a very big institution to cast out the people that you don't want in?	难道你不也说,当一个非常大的机构,把那些你不想加入的人赶出去的时候,那就更容易了?
856	I would say that that probably happens with some media institutions, that's correct, but there's a great plurality of them.	我想说,这很可能发生在一些媒体机构身上, 没错,但是它们有很多。
857	And not all, as I say, I don't think you can tie everyone with the same brush in that.	而不是所有,正如我所说的, 我不认为你可以把每个人绑在同一笔。
858	I think there are many, many examples of The Independent being one of them, where there are people with a great wide range of opinions who still manage to publish under one umbrella.	我认为,有许多例子表明,《独立报》是其中之一,其中有许多人拥有广泛的见解,他们仍然能够在一个伞下发表。
859	Anyway, I think it is pointless to deny that the news influencers are onto something.	总之,我认为否认新闻影响者在某事上
860	I think that the news influencers are becoming incredibly important and incredibly powerful in our world, I don't think all of that's bad.	我认为新闻影响者在我们的世界里变得越来越重要和强大, 我不认为这一切是坏的。
861	I think that they show, sometimes in the mainstream, the importance of human connection.	我认为,它们有时在主流中显示人类联系的重要性。
862	Because we see YouTubers, and we hear their voices, and we receive their emails in a very personal way.	因为我们看到YouTube的人, 我们听到他们的声音, 我们收到他们的电子邮件, 以一种非常个人的方式。
863	And that creates a bond of trust, and as we've seen, trust is really, really important.	这就形成了一种信任的纽带, 正如我们所看到的,信任是真正,真正重要的。
864	Meanwhile, for many, many years, the mainstream media have always been taught to keep themselves out of the story.	与此同时,许多年来,主流媒体一直被教导要远离故事。
865	And I think that's sometimes why they get confused with being the blob, the nameless, the faceless organizations.	我想这就是为什么他们有时被混淆为无名无姓的组织。
866	They're not, but they've just been trained in a very, very different way.	他们不是,但他们刚刚接受了非常,非常不同的训练.
867	And for some readers, they still feel that's really important, to be able to trust the journalism that they're reading.	对于一些读者来说,他们仍然觉得这很重要, 能够相信他们所读的新闻。
868	To allow the cult of personality not to creep into everything.	允许人格的邪教不会潜入一切
869	So how should the mainstream media react to the newcomers in the industry?	那么主流媒体应该如何回应业界的新人?
870	Not necessarily the broadcasters, but I'm more thinking the YouTubers.	不一定是播音员但我更想的是YouTube的人
871	约翰在YouTube上很多
872	Well, I would ask people to look at some of the names of the independent.	我想请大家看看独立者的名字
873	I'll ask people to go and look up Belle Tru, our chief international correspondent.	我会叫人们去查查我们首席国际记者Belle Tru
874	You can go and see her speaking to mothers in Uganda and Zimbabwe,	你可以去看她跟乌干达和津巴布韦的母亲说话
875	whose HIV medication was canceled the week before because of a U.S. aid cut.	他们的HIV药物在前一周被取消因为美国的援助削减。
876	So you can see Sam Kiley, our world affairs editor, reporting on the Iran-Israel conflict in Tel Aviv.	你可以看见我们的世界事务编辑Sam Kiley报道特拉维夫的伊朗-以色列冲突。
877	These are the heirs to some of the great departed reporters of the independent.	这些是独立派一些伟大的已故记者的继承人.
878	Bylines such as Kim Sinkups, who are a good friend of mine who died recently,	金·辛克普斯是我的朋友最近去世了
879	whose reporting in print challenged the justification for this country's entry into the Iraq war.	他的印刷报告质疑该国参加伊拉克战争的理由。
880	But instead of looking up Sam and Belle on the independent's own website,	但是,与其在独立者自己的网站上查Sam和Belle,
881	go and find them on YouTube, go and listen to them.	去YouTube上找到他们去听他们
882	You can hear their voices, you can see them doing their job, you can receive their emails.	你可以听到他们的声音, 你可以看到他们做他们的工作, 你可以收到他们的电子邮件。
883	We have to learn from the disruption that's happening in media, and the mainstream has to evolve.	我们必须从媒体上发生的干扰中吸取教训,主流必须不断发展.
884	But at the same time, you'll know that those creators from the independent that you can see,	但与此同时,你会知道那些创造者从独立你可以看到,
885	you'll know they're part of something bigger.	你会知道他们是更大的事情的一部分。
886	You'll know they're part of something with a 40-year history,	你会知道,他们是一个有40年历史的东西的一部分,
887	a history where we put our necks on the line and reported and been responsible for it	一个历史,我们把我们的脖子上线, 报告并负责
888	and corrected the mistakes and answered back when people have accused us of things.	并纠正错误并回答当人们指责我们的事情。
889	Because if you want to take apart the mainstream media, you really have to put something back in its place.	因为如果你想拆散主流媒体, 你真的必须把一些东西放回它的位置。
890	Otherwise, we just have chaos.	否则,我们只是有混乱。
891	So I'll end with an invitation and a challenge.	因此,我最后将邀请和质疑。
892	A great many mainstream journalists have come from Oxford University.	许多主流记者来自牛津大学。
893	If you care enough about journalism to be here tonight, I really hope you might join us one day too.	如果你足够关心新闻今晚在这里, 我真的希望你有一天也可以加入我们。
894	But in this era of journalism, you can, of course, build those direct relationships with readers that we see away from the mainstream media.	但在这个新闻时代,你当然可以和我们所看到的远离主流媒体的读者建立直接的关系.
895	And I really do hope you become a journalist because it's just too easy to disregard everything in the quote-unquote mainstream media.	我真心希望你成为一名记者, 因为这太容易忽视引用主流媒体中的一切。
896	You don't have to be lame-stream media to be in the mainstream media.	在主流媒体中不必是跛脚流媒体.
897	A far better mission is to come in and join us and help drive change from the inside to make the mainstream better.	一个更好的任务是进来加入我们,帮助从内部推动变革,使主流变得更好。
898	Thank you.	谢谢
899	I now look to Mr. Coulomson to close this case for side proposition.	我现在期待库洛姆森先生结束此案,以便提出附带建议。
900	Thank you.	谢谢
901	Smart move, putting me last, because then we can blame me if we lose.	聪明的举动,让我最后, 因为那样的话,我们可以责备我如果我们输了。
902	Thank you very much to the Union for inviting me for my first time.	非常感谢联盟第一次邀请我
903	We'll see if I get invited back as often as Tom has.	看看我是否像汤姆一样经常被邀请回来
904	Because I aim to do the absolutely most suicidal thing, and that is annoy everyone in the auditorium,	因为我的目标是做最自杀的事情, 和这令人烦恼每个人在礼堂,
905	not just on that side, but the gents on the benches to my right.	不仅在那边,还有坐在凳子上的人在我右边
906	To set the framing, I must disagree with the first speaker on her definition of mainstream media.	我不同意第一位发言人对主流媒体的定义。
907	I would define mainstream media as the institutions of print, broadcast, and entertainment, which are recognised by ruling power.	我将主流媒体定义为印刷、广播和娱乐机构,
908	They use this as a currency to sound synonymous with credibility in order to gatekeep other voices	他们用这个货币来表达信誉的同义词来保持其他的声音
909	out of being able to lend their perspectives on building consensus.	能够表达他们对建立共识的看法。
910	This is why citizen journalism often falls outside this purview,	这就是为什么公民新闻经常不属于这个范畴,
911	but its audience is growing because of the failures of both the state and the media that constantly make excuses for it.	但是由于国家和媒体的失败, 其受众正在增长,
912	As for the people and who the media is making enemies out of,	至于人民和新闻媒介的敌人是谁,
913	I would say it's the majority who dislike policies like mass migration and who manifest that discontent in, for example,	我想说,大多数人都不喜欢像大规模移民这样的政策, 并且表现出这种不满,例如,
914	voting for Brexit or the increasingly popular Reform UK party.	投票支持Brexit 或越来越受欢迎的英国改革党。
915	No matter what people think of in here, that is a growing constituency which the media have set themselves against,	无论人们在这里怎么想, 这是一个不断增长的支持者媒体自己设置反对,
916	presuming that their best interest lies in a hypothetical cosmopolitan liberalism,	假设他们最大的利益在于假设的宇宙自由主义,
917	and that if only they weren't subject to miss and disinformation by dangerous demagogues like the offensively orange Donald Trump,	并且,如果只是他们没有受到错失和造谣危险蛊惑,像进攻性橙色唐纳德特朗普,
918	they would actually vote for what the media thinks is in their self-interest instead.	他们会投票支持媒体认为符合自身利益的东西。
919	What is happening here is the media has an agenda they think is for in people's best interests.	这里正在发生的是媒体有一个他们认为符合人民最大利益的议程。
920	They are ignoring what the majority want and they are failing to represent it,	他们无视大多数人想要的,他们未能代表他们,
921	so they're setting themselves at odds with the majority of the population.	所以他们把自己与大多数人口相矛盾。
922	It's not led by market demand, it's led by ideology.	它不是以市场需求为首,而是以意识形态为首.
923	And this makes sense because you wouldn't go into politics or media if you didn't have opinions.	这样做是有道理的,因为如果你没有意见,你就不会进入政界或媒体。
924	This is why, yes, it's possible to be truthful, but the idea that journalists can be neutral or objective is a fallacy.	这就是为什么,是的,这是有可能是真实的,但记者可以中立或客观的想法是一个谬误.
925	Also, the idea that institutions can regulate them, like Ipsos or Ofcom,	而且,机构可以调节它们的想法,比如Ipsos或Ofcom,
926	the idea that they are impenetrable from politically contaminated guidance, as I'm sure GB News knows well, is also a fallacy.	我确信GB新闻网也很清楚,
927	And so the idea that you can set up a neutral institutional body to ensure the press is broadly neutral,	因此,你可以建立一个中立的机构以确保媒体是广泛的中立的,
928	it's just never going to work, it's always going to be infiltrated.	它只是永远不会工作, 它总是会被渗透。
929	And so their ideological priors inform which facts they pursue, which facts they police, who they hold to account,	所以他们的意识形态前科告诉了他们追求的哪些事实, 哪些事实,他们监管谁的责任,
930	and, as I'll get onto in a moment, which atrocities they ignore.	我马上就会知道他们无视的暴行
931	Also, their access to politicians, and often intelligence services, is the bedrock of their livelihood.	此外,他们接触政治家,往往接触情报部门,是他们生计的基石。
932	So it makes challenging power actually pretty risky for their own personal political ambitions.	因此,它使得挑战性的权力对他们个人的政治野心来说是相当危险的。
933	As we saw the likes of Michael Gove and Boris Johnson, former journalists, try to duke it out for permanent competition to rule the Tory party.	正如我们所看到的那样迈克尔·戈夫和鲍里斯·约翰逊, 前记者, 试图证明它永久竞争统治托里党。
934	They're not going to challenge that if it's going to tank their political careers.	他们不会质疑,如果它要动摇他们的政治生涯。
935	And don't forget, they're often attending the same cocktail parties as the politicians they called the Antichrist yesterday.	别忘了,他们经常参加和他们昨天所称的"反基督主义者"一样的鸡尾酒会
936	So they don't want to get into impolite dinner party conversations,	所以他们不想谈不礼貌的晚宴
937	and either cause offence by raising politically inconvenient topics.	并且通过提出政治上不方便的话题引起犯罪。
938	And yet again, this cuts across all ideologies and across both parties.	这再次贯穿所有意识形态和双方。
939	And this is why my contention is the reason the media are the enemy of the people is because they're often agents of the state.	这就是为什么我的论点是媒体是人民敌人的原因因为他们往往是国家特工
940	Now this is a long-running trend.	现在这是一个长期的趋势。
941	We remember, you may laugh where you like, John, but there are multiple examples of this.	我们记得,你可以笑你喜欢的地方,约翰, 但有多个例子。
942	Back in the Cold War, the American CIA used Operation Mockingbird to feed stories to journalists,	回到冷战时期,美国中情局利用"雾鸟行动"向记者提供故事,
943	using them as assets to discredit anti-war activism, especially against things like the Vietnam War.	利用它们作为资产来诋毁反战运动,尤其是反对越南战争等事物.
944	There were active measures that both the KGB in Moscow and the CIA in Dulles were firing back and forth at each other,	莫斯科的克格勃和杜勒斯的中央情报局都采取了积极的措施互相交火
945	establishing various magazines as front groups to launder propaganda for their side of the Berlin Wall.	建立各种杂志作为掩护团体,为柏林墙一侧的宣传进行清洗。
946	This was also going on with journalists within their states actually arguing against the state and finding themselves on the raw end of that deal.	这同样也发生在他们州内的记者们,他们实际上争论反对国家,并发现他们自己在交易的原始结局上。
947	And there was a chap, if we remember the story about the CIA funneling crack cane into black neighborhoods to fund a color revolution in Nicaragua.	有个家伙,如果我们记得中情局把裂缝拐杖塞进黑人社区资助尼加拉瓜的一场彩色革命
948	The guy's name was Gary Webb.	这家伙的名字是加里·韦伯。
949	He was kicked out of, I think it was the Los Angeles Times,	他被赶出去了,我想是《洛杉矶时报》
950	and discredited even though that story turned out to be true because pretty much every mainstream media institution,	虽然这个故事是真的因为几乎每个主流媒体机构
951	including the Washington Post who say democracy dies in darkness and the New York Times who believe themselves to again be holding Trump to account,	包括华盛顿邮报说民主在黑暗中死去而纽约时报则相信自己会再次让特朗普负责
952	smeared his reputation and then, well, he was found dead from two gunshots to the temple.	抹黑了他的名誉然后,嗯,他被发现死了从两次枪伤到神庙。
953	Work that one out.	把那个弄出来
954	Also, we remember on the other side there were agents of foreign states,	而且,我们记得在另一边有外国的特工,
955	Walter Durante shamelessly denying the murder, rape and dispossession of the lands of millions of Ukrainians during the Holodomor,	沃尔特·杜兰特无耻地否认了大饥荒期间数百万乌克兰人的土地遭到谋杀、强奸和剥夺,
956	or George Bernard Shaw writing in the Manchester Guardian in 1933 and I quote,	或者乔治·伯纳德·肖在1933年的曼彻斯特卫报上写道...
957	We desire to record that we saw nowhere evidence of such economic slavery,	我们想记录一下我们从没有看到过这种经济奴役的证据
958	privation, unemployment and cynical despair of betterment as are accepted as inevitable and ignored by the press as having no news value in our own countries.	贫穷、失业和愤世嫉俗地绝望改善,被新闻界认为是不可避免的,被媒体视为在我们各国没有新闻价值而忽视。
959	He was describing the Soviet Union, which were murdering dissidents in turning them in gulags in Siberia and killing kulaks to confiscate their property.	他描述的是苏联,苏联在西伯利亚谋杀持不同政见者,将他们送入古拉格,并杀害库拉克人没收其财产.
960	The media is often a servant of their own agenda or of domestic or foreign powers.	媒体往往是他们自己的议程或国内或外国势力的仆人。
961	Now, this persists even today.	时至今日,这种情况依然存在。
962	We've already had the Hunter Biden laptop story, which was then proven true,	我们已经有"猎人拜登"的笔记本故事, 事实证明是真实的,
963	cited despite the intelligence agencies coming out and saying it swearing up and down it was Russian propaganda.	尽管情报机构出来了并说它发誓上下是俄罗斯的宣传
964	But a more recent example includes CNN's Jake Tapper, who had the gall to say to anyone who suggested Joe Biden's obvious cognitive decline,	但最近的一个例子包括CNN的杰克·塔珀(Jake Tapper),他有胆量告诉任何暗示乔·拜登明显认知衰落的人,
965	talking to people who didn't exist and stumbling off into random places on the stage was actually mocking a childhood stutter.	与不存在的人交谈并绊倒在舞台上的随机地点实际上是在嘲弄童年的口吃
966	And then as soon as old Joe left the White House, wrote a tell all book saying, yeah, we knew about it the whole time.	然后,当老乔离开白宫, 写了一本全书说,是的,我们一直都知道。
967	Do you really think that you can trust these people?	你真的认为你可以信任这些人吗?
968	The same goes for in the UK, the Covid lockdowns, as Majid has already mentioned.	正如Majid已经提到的,联合王国的情况也是如此。
969	What wasn't mentioned is that the Cabinet Office spent £184 million on communications during that time	未提及的是,内阁办公室在此期间花费了1.84亿英镑用于通信.
970	and that Public Health England became the number one newspaper advertiser during the lockdown period when traditional advertising saw a 48% decline.	英国公共卫生部成为头号报纸广告商在封锁期间传统广告下降48%
971	Do you think newspapers are going to bite the hand that feeds them if they're getting direct subsidies from your and my tax money	你觉得如果报纸从你和我的税金中直接得到补贴报纸会咬他们养活他们的手吗?
972	and whether they're going to question anything from the efficacy of mask mandates or...	他们是否要质疑面具任务的效果还是...
973	Do you genuinely believe that for people like us, we still consider newspapers as the mainstream media?	你真的相信,对我们这样的人来说,我们仍把报纸视为主流媒体吗?
974	Yes, because lots of independent media personalities also source lots of their information from these newspapers.	是的,因为许多独立媒体人士也从这些报纸上获得大量信息。
975	Like they're not going out and doing the gumshoe work of finding out a lot of this information themselves.	就像他们不会出去做胶鞋工作找出很多这些信息自己。
976	They're getting stories secondhand from these newspapers.	他们从这些报纸上得到了第二手的故事。
977	And so ideas are going to be laundered through these press establishments who still retain a little bit of their waning legitimacy.	因此,这些新闻机构将会洗刷想法, 他们仍然保留了一点其逐渐消失的合法性。
978	The other thing I was going to mention is not just the mask mandates, but of course, all the PPE contracts,	我要提到的另外一件事不仅仅是面具任务, 当然,所有个人防护设备合同,
979	the Conservative politicians sitting on the front bench were handing out to their friends and family.	坐在前排的保守党政客正在向他们的朋友和家人施舍
980	Very inconvenient to bring up to their faces if you want to be invited to the dinner parties	如果想被邀请参加晚宴很难面对他们
981	and you want to be included in Boris Johnson's swanky new press briefing room that he gave the nightly announcements from.	你想加入鲍里斯・约翰逊的华丽的新新闻发布室他给了夜里的消息。
982	Another, by the way, point about the people that dissented during Covid, they weren't just cancelled.	另一个,顺便说一句,关于那些在科维德期间持异议的人,他们并不只是被取消.
983	They were spied on by a military cyber warfare unit, the 77th Brigade,	他们被军事网络战部队,77旅监视
984	which employs bots on social media to challenge narratives that the government doesn't like.	利用社交媒体来挑战政府不喜欢的叙事
985	So often, by the way, when you're arguing with accounts on social media, you might be arguing with a government bot.	顺便说一句,当你在社交媒体上与账户争论时, 你可能会与政府的机器人争论。
986	That is how wedded they were to narrative control.	这就是他们如何控制叙事。
987	Another body involved in the Covid response is RICU, the Home Office's Research, Information and Communications Unit,	参与Covid反应的另一个机构是区域情报股、内政部研究、信息和通信股。
988	and they've managed what is usually impossible and pissed off just about everybody	他们解决了那些通常不可能的事并激怒了所有人
989	by trying to stage-manage the public response to terror attacks.	试图控制公众对恐怖袭击的反应
990	The Home Office control the front pages of newspapers in the aftermath of terror attacks.	内政部在恐怖袭击后控制报纸的头版。
991	灾难策划者Lucy Easthope说,
992	as she confessed in the pages of The Guardian, was the Manchester Arena bombing.	正如她在《卫报》的几页里承认的曼彻斯特竞技场爆炸案
993	When they put out the message, don't look back in anger,	当他们发布消息时不要愤怒地回头看
994	because they realized that their own policies had led to lots and lots of dead children.	因为他们意识到他们自己的政策导致了很多和很多死亡儿童。
995	But one of the more egregious examples was in 2014, when British aid worker Alan Henning was beheaded on camera by ISIS.	但更令人发指的例子之一是2014年,英国援助工作者艾伦·亨宁被ISIS用镜头斩首.
996	The Sun newspaper put out a photo of a woman in the Union Jack Kajab saying, United Against IS.	"太阳报"刊登了联盟一名女性杰克·卡亚布(Jack Kajab)的照片,称"联合反对IS".
997	Now, this annoyed both people who thought we shouldn't import jihadists in the first place,	现在,这惹恼了两个人他们认为我们不应该进口圣战者,
998	and British Muslims who thought that they were being patronized to about a regime-approved version of their religion,	和英国的穆斯林,他们以为自己是被奉承的。
999	because it turns out that image was prefabricated by the Home Office.	因为这照片是内政部伪造的
1000	It was prefabricated by Dame Sarah Khan with a campaign called Making a Stand,	是莎拉·汗夫人用一个叫做“站立”的运动做的
1001	that was launched by then Home Secretary Theresa May and taken by Breakthrough Media.	由时任内政大臣特丽莎·梅(Theresa May)发起,由突破媒体拍摄.
1002	突破媒体与一家名为Bell Pottinger的PR公司合作.
1003	The head of RICU was a guy called Richard Chalk.	RICU的头是一个叫理查德·查尔克的人.
1004	He worked running PsyOps, confidential still to this day, by the way, in the middle of the Iraq War out in Baghdad.	顺便说一句,他在巴格达的伊拉克战争中一直保密
1005	The CEO of Bell Pottinger took over from Alastair Campbell as Tony Blair's spin doctor.	贝尔·波廷格的首席执行官接替阿拉斯泰尔·坎贝尔担任托尼·布莱尔的旋转医生.
1006	Alastair Campbell, the man who got us into the Iraq War, who now has a very lucrative podcast in which he disagrees	阿拉斯泰尔·坎贝尔带我们参加伊拉克战争的人他现在有一个非常赚钱的播客他不同意
1007	with a Conservative minister on the other side that is distributed by one of the major advertising distributors in the world.	在另一边有一个保守派部长, 由世界主要广告发行商之一发行。
1008	You're seeing a lot of these podcasts popping up, right?	你看到很多播客涌现出来,对吧?
1009	Former politicians and journalists who are supposed to hate each other.	前政治家和记者应该互相憎恨。
1010	Question of information.	问讯.
1011	Yes, please.	是的,谢谢。
1012	This is Tim Bell, who ran Bell Pottinger, got in touch with my...	这是蒂姆・贝尔,谁经营贝尔・波廷格, 与我的...
1013	Is Ashley still here?	阿什利还在吗?
1014	Has he gone?	他走了吗?
1015	He got in touch with my friend Ashley Grossman and said,	他和我朋友阿什利・格罗斯曼联系了然后说
1016	Sweeney's written a very damaging article about the sultan of the Nile.	斯威尼写了一篇关于尼罗河苏丹的非常有害的文章.
1017	If you deny your quotes, we can finish him off.	如果你否认你的引用, 我们可以结束他。
1018	So, Sir Tim Bell, Bell Pottinger, he's not a friend of the people.	因此,蒂姆·贝尔爵士,贝尔·波廷格,他不是人民的朋友.
1019	Just to be clear about that.	说清楚一点
1020	Yes, and so his employees running the Home Office that then dictate the front pages of newspapers...	是的,所以他的员工管理内政部然后支配报纸的头版...
1021	John, John, pause.	约翰约翰暂停
1022	I've given you your intervention.	我已经给你干预。
1023	The fact that he can dictate the front pages of newspapers via his former employees	他能通过前雇员支配报纸的头版
1024	that then work in the Home Office to tell the public what to think is itself alarming.	然后在内政部工作告诉公众该怎么想这本身就是令人震惊的。
1025	If he's not a friend of the people, then why are the people that he's training up then going into government	如果他不是人民的朋友那他训练的人为什么还要上政府?
1026	and telling newspapers what to print?	告诉报纸要打印什么?
1027	One of the most egregious examples in the last few years of newspaper failings has been on the grooming gangs.	在过去几年里,报纸的失败最令人发指的一个例子是培养帮派。
1028	And the name Tommy Robinson has been mentioned before.	汤米·罗宾逊这个名字之前就已经提到过了.
1029	I'm sure Elon Musk, Tommy Robinson, Donald Trump, people like that are not exactly friends of a lot of people in this room.	我相信埃隆·穆斯克,汤米·罗宾逊,唐纳德·特朗普,这样的人并不是这个房间里很多人的朋友.
1030	If you don't like them, the fact that they were able to amplify this issue is only made possible by the media consistently failing on it.	如果你不喜欢他们, 他们能够扩大这个问题的事实只有在媒体持续失败的情况下才有可能。
1031	Why did they fail on it?	为什么他们失败了?
1032	Well, as was best put by Rotherham MP Dennis McShane, he, quote,	正如罗瑟姆议员丹尼斯·麦克沙恩所说他引用了
1033	a guardian reading liberal lefty did not want to rock the multicultural boat.	一个读自由左翼的守护者不想摇晃多元文化的船。
1034	Politicians often look the other way with the most heinous child abuse scandal in this country.	政客们往往对这个国家最令人发指的虐待儿童丑闻视而不见.
1035	I couldn't think of a worse imbalance of power than the systemic rape, trafficking, torture,	我无法想象更糟糕的权力不平衡比系统强奸,贩卖,酷刑,
1036	and often the murder of thousands of working class girls and shushing them up because it was inconvenient,	常常谋杀成千上万的工人阶级女孩并让他们闭嘴因为那不方便,
1037	because politicians and police officers took part in the rapes.	因为政客和警官参与了强奸
1038	They didn't just deny it and help cover it up.	他们不仅否认了,还帮助掩盖了真相.
1039	I couldn't think of a worse abuse of power than that.	我想不出比这更糟糕的滥用权力行为了
1040	And the media not only let the politicians who were so cravenous to not speak about it	媒体不仅让那些如此狂妄的政客不谈这件事
1041	because they were afraid of losing their seats or being called nasty names get away with it,	因为他们害怕失去座位或被叫作下流的名字逃脱了它,
1042	they laundered the smears anyway.	他们还是洗了抹黑
1043	The worst example of this was, as Louise Casey pointed out in her recent review,	最糟糕的例子是,正如路易丝·凯西在最近的评论中指出的,
1044	and I'll finish quickly, that they laundered the charge when the Home Office came out and said,	我马上说完当内政部出面说
1045	there was a charge in their report in 2021, that white men made up the majority of these gangs,	2021年他们的报告指控白人占了这些帮派的大多数
1046	something Louise Casey has found to be utterly true in her most recent report.	露易丝·凯西在她最近的报告中发现的完全正确
1047	Ipso upheld a ruling saying that Suella Braven, when she pointed out the majority,	伊普索坚持了一项裁决,认为苏埃拉·布拉文(Suella Braven)在指出多数时,
1048	the composition of these gangs of Pakistani men was lying.	这些巴基斯坦人团伙的组成在撒谎。
1049	They have still not retracted, even though Suella Braven has sought a retraction from those on behalf of the victims.	尽管Suella Braven代表受害者寻求撤回,但他们仍未撤回。
1050	They are covering their backsides.	他们正在掩护他们的背部。
1051	They're covering the backsides of craven politicians.	他们掩盖了克拉夫政治家的背后.
1052	And so because of that scandal alone, I urge you to vote for this motion to hold them to account.	因此,仅仅因为那个丑闻,我敦促你投票支持这个动议,以追究他们的责任。
1053	Thank you.	谢谢
1054	I now look to Mr. Jonathan Levy to close the case for side opposition.	我现在希望乔纳森·李维先生结束对另一方反对意见的指责。
1055	Good evening.	边
1056	It's a great privilege to close this debate this evening,	非常荣幸今晚能结束辩论
1057	and what you're not going to get from me is no theoreticals, no definitional wrangling,	你无法从我这里得到的不是理论也不是定义上的争论
1058	no culture wars, no conspiracy theories.	没有文化战争, 没有阴谋论。
1059	You're just going to get a straight and robust defense of my trade, journalism,	你只是要去得到一个直和有力的辩护我的行业,新闻,
1060	and perhaps a suggestion of what could and is suggested would replace it.	并且也许建议什么可以和什么可以取代它。
1061	It's also a privilege to speak here at the Oxford Union,	也很荣幸能在这里牛津工会发言,
1062	following in the footsteps of many esteemed journalists,	遵循许多尊贵的记者的步伐,
1063	从我在Sky Yowda Hakim的同事那里
1064	who has led reporting of her native Afghanistan and the plight of Afghan women and girls,	曾领导报告她的家乡阿富汗和阿富汗妇女和女孩的困境,
1065	to Jodie Cantor and Megan Toohey of the New York Times,	纽约时报的乔迪·坎托尔和梅根·托伊
1066	whose reporting exposed decades of abuse by Harvey Weinstein,	他的报道揭露了哈维·温斯坦几十年的虐待
1067	through to John's old colleague Frank Gardner at the BBC,	通过约翰的老同事弗兰克・加德纳在英国广播公司,
1068	who was left paralysed after an attack by Al-Qaeda gunmen.	被基地组织枪手袭击后瘫痪
1069	The words that come to mind when I think about these individuals are fearless, brave,	当我想到这些个人时想到的话是无畏的,勇敢的
1070	maybe even legendary.	也许甚至传奇。
1071	But for others, including those who proposed the motion tonight,	但对于其他人,包括那些今晚提出动议的人,
1072	the phrase that comes to mind is enemy of the people.	想到的句子是人民的敌人。
1073	As someone who has spent most of my career as a journalist at Sky News,	作为在天空新闻公司工作的大部分时间
1074	it's not a great surprise that I oppose this motion.	我反对这个动议并不奇怪
1075	Over the last three decades that I've been working as a journalist,	在过去的三十年里,我一直作为一个记者,
1076	I've seen a huge amount of change.	我见过巨大的变化。
1077	When I started out, the barriers to entry were set really, really high.	当我开始的时候,进入的壁垒设置的非常,非常高。
1078	If you wanted to report the news, you needed to own a newspaper,	如果你想报道新闻,你需要拥有报纸,
1079	a television channel or a radio station.	电视频道或广播电台。
1080	Today, you simply need an iPhone and an internet connection.	今天,你只需要iPhone和互联网连接。
1081	The rise in citizen journalism has undoubtedly enriched our industry.	公民新闻事业的兴起无疑丰富了我们的产业.
1082	It's something that I am very supportive of.	这是我非常支持的东西。
1083	It has, however, fragmented the media landscape,	然而,它分散了媒体的视野,
1084	and our media choices are now equated with political choices.	我们的媒体选择现在等同于政治选择。
1085	Despite this explosion in choice,	尽管选择了爆炸
1086	the public still turns to mainstream media at critical moments.	公众仍然在关键时刻转向主流媒体。
1087	News organisations like the BBC, the Financial Times and, yes, like Sky News,	英国广播公司,《金融时报》等新闻组织对,《天空新闻》
1088	remain among the most trusted news brands,	你们应当成为最信任的新闻品牌。
1089	unlike more opinionated voices and outlets.	不像更多有意见的声音和渠道。
1090	Far from the enemy of the people, we are trusted to be their eyes and their ears.	远离人民的敌人,我们被信任为他们的耳目.
1091	And it is that very idea, being the eyes and ears of the people,	而正是这个想法,作为人民的耳目,
1092	that I want to explore with you this evening.	今晚我想和你们一起探索
1093	I want to start by telling you a little bit about Sky News in the world today.	首先我想告诉你一些关于今天世界的天空新闻。
1094	We have over 600 journalists around the world.	我们在全世界有600多名记者。
1095	Many are based here in the UK and many based in 11 international bureaus	许多都设在英国,
1096	reporting from Beijing, Jerusalem, Moscow and beyond.	来自北京、耶路撒冷、莫斯科和其他地方的报告。
1097	Our correspondents aren't just sat in state-of-the-art newsrooms.	我们的记者不只是坐在最先进的新闻室里
1098	They're on the ground in war zones, undercover in restricted organisations	他们在战场上,在禁区做卧底
1099	and tucked away in hard-to-reach corners of the world.	被困在难以到达的世界的角落里
1100	The importance of being the eyes and ears of the public has never been greater.	成为公众的耳目的重要性从未如此之大.
1101	Now, Sky does the news because it wants to, not because it has to.	现在,Sky做新闻是因为它想要,而不是因为它必须。
1102	When a doctor in Khartoum flees her home after paramilitaries massacre her neighbours	当喀土穆的一名医生在准军事人员屠杀她的邻居之后逃离她的家
1103	or when medics in the Burmese jungle risk their lives under artillery fire,	当缅甸丛林的医护人员冒着生命危险,
1104	it's not campaigners, it's not politicians, it's not pressure groups	不是竞选者,不是政客,也不是压力集团
1105	who have uncovered these revelations.	他们揭发了这些迹象。
1106	It's mainstream journalists, it's my colleagues at Sky News.	这是主流记者,这是我在天空新闻的同事。
1107	These are not the actions of an enemy of the people.	这不是人民的敌人的行为。
1108	They are the actions of professionals providing the facts that public need	这些是提供公众需要的事实的专业人员的行为。
1109	to hold the public to account.	以追究公众的责任。
1110	Would you say that the majority of the journalists and people in mainstream media are like these people?	你会说主流媒体的大多数记者和民众都像这些人吗?
1111	Yes, I would.	是的,我会。
1112	I absolutely would.	我绝对会的
1113	I'll carry on.	我会继续的。
1114	Large organisations like mine have the resources, the networks and the expertise	像我这样的大型组织拥有资源、网络和专门知识
1115	to send journalists into conflict zones that smaller outlets simply cannot reach safely.	派记者进入小机构根本无法安全到达的冲突地区。
1116	Treacherous places like war zones in Sudan, Iraq and Myanmar.	在苏丹、伊拉克和缅甸,战区等地十分恐怖。
1117	Without the scale and experience of major newsrooms,	没有大新闻室的规模和经验
1118	much of what global audiences now know about these crises would never have left local communities.	目前全球受众对这些危机所了解的许多情况永远不会离开当地社区。
1119	They may have never been documented at all.	它们可能根本没有被记录。
1120	Far from being desanitising, for millions of viewers across the globe,	对于全球数百万观众来说,
1121	foreign mainstream media serves as the most reliable source of news.	外国主流媒体是最可靠的新闻来源。
1122	Scale doesn't make us impersonal or desanitising, it makes us capable.	天平不会让我们失去人格或消毒, 它让我们有能力。
1123	Capable of holding power to account across borders	能够拥有跨国界衡算权力
1124	and capable of being the eyes and the ears for our audience.	能够成为观众的耳目
1125	In reality, though, there is room for all of us.	然而,在现实中,我们大家都有空间。
1126	For a Sky News, for a Marjid Nawaz, for a Conor Thomson, perhaps even for a Tom Harwood.	对于一个天空新闻, 对于一个马吉德纳瓦兹, 对于一个康诺汤姆森, 也许甚至汤姆哈伍德。
1127	I value that competition.	我珍惜这种竞争
1128	We do different things, we serve different audiences.	我们做不同的事情, 我们服务不同的受众。
1129	The strength of the media, indeed, lies not in its uniformity,	事实上,媒体的力量并不在于其统一性,
1130	but in the coexistence of our organisations.	但是我们组织共存
1131	Now, the accusation often levelled at mainstream media,	现在,指控经常对主流媒体,
1132	which we have heard raised tonight, is that we're part of some elite cabal	我们听说今晚养大, 是我们的一部分一些精英集体
1133	cosying up to those in power.	与掌权者争吵
1134	The reality is quite the opposite.	实际情况恰恰相反。
1135	Our job is not to protect the powerful, it is to hold them to account.	我们的工作不是保护强者而是追究他们的责任
1136	Look at Sky News' record.	看天空新闻的纪录.
1137	When we launched Westminster accounts a few years back,	当我们几年前推出威斯敏斯特账户时
1138	we exposed for the first time the true scale of MPs' second jobs and outside earnings.	我们第一次揭露了国会议员的第二份工作和外部收入的真正规模。
1139	Suddenly, what was whispered in the corridors of power became discoverable by every single voter	突然间,在权力走廊里悄悄听到的每一个选民都能发现
1140	who can search their MP on an online tool that we developed at Sky News.	他们可以通过我们开发的在线工具搜索他们的MP。
1141	Transparency, accountability, a light shone into the dark corners of politics.	透明,负责,光照进入政治的黑暗角落。
1142	This is hardly the work of those in bed with the elite.	这绝不是那些在床上的精英的工作。
1143	MPs hate Westminster accounts, of course they do.	议员们当然讨厌威斯敏斯特的账户
1144	Please.	请
1145	Yes, I'd like to ask something, because as far as I was aware,	是的,我想问一件事,因为据我所知,
1146	Sky News owned Viably, Comcast, and their institutional owners have significant stake	《天空新闻》的拥有者是康卡斯,其机构拥有重大利益
1147	in donating millions of dollars to the Republican and Democratic Party of the United States.	向美国共和民主党捐赠数百万美元
1148	How can you say that they're not in league with the people in power,	你怎么能说他们和掌权的人没有联盟
1149	though they're in fact owned by the very same people	虽然他们其实是同一个人的
1150	who have networked and donated to the power of people in power currently?	是谁建立了网络,并捐献给掌权者的力量?
1151	Well, Sky News has the statutory independence from Comcast and even from Sky, its mother company,	好吧,天空新闻有法定的独立性与康卡斯,甚至从Sky,它的母公司,
1152	so I don't think that would apply, but I'll come on to funding later.	所以我不认为那会适用, 但我以后会来资助。
1153	I'll carry on.	我会继续的。
1154	Look at the BBC's Panorama Exposé this month,	看看BBC这个月的全景展览
1155	revealing misogyny, racism, and excessive force within the Metropolitan Police.	揭露大都会警察内部的厌恶女性、种族主义和过度使用武力。
1156	This wasn't a one-off, attention-grabbing story.	这不是一个一次性的、专注的故事。
1157	It was seven months of excellent undercover investigation by Rory Bibb,	罗里·比布做了七个月出色的卧底调查
1158	ultimately leading to the sacking of three police officers.	最终导致三名警察被解雇。
1159	Now, accountability journalism is not without risk.	现在,问责制新闻并非没有风险。
1160	When I took the decision a few years back to air video evidence of Harvey Weinstein's predatory behaviour,	当我在几年前做出这个决定时以空中录像证据证明哈维·温斯坦的掠夺行为
1161	天空新闻记者Hannah Thomas Peter精明而细致地揭露了
1162	I risked potentially ruinous legal action threatened by Weinstein's formidable legal team,	我冒着被温斯坦强大的法律团队威胁的潜在破坏法律行动的风险
1163	a risk I believed was well worth taking.	我认为冒险是值得的
1164	And Sky News and organisations like it are set up to take such risks on behalf of our audience.	Sky News和类似的组织是为了代表我们的观众冒这种风险
1165	That's hardly the actions of an enemy of the people.	这绝不是人民的敌人的行为.
1166	And much to the eye-rolling of my team, we're often debating, refining,	对我的团队来说我们经常辩论提炼
1167	and testing single words within our news segments.	并测试我们新闻部分的单词。
1168	We don't do this to be indulgent or self-congratulatory.	我们这样做不是为了放纵或自我祝贺.
1169	We do it because facts matter, truth matters, and transparency matters.	我们这样做是因为事实重要、真相重要、透明度重要。
1170	Now, no journalist is perfect, and no newsroom is beyond criticism.	现在,没有记者是完美的,没有新闻室是不能批评的。
1171	I'm sure you're all familiar with the phone hacking scandal,	我敢肯定,你们都熟悉电话黑客丑闻,
1172	or more recently, controversy around the BBC's Blastonbury coverage.	或更近期,围绕BBC的布拉斯顿伯里报道的争议.
1173	But here is the key difference.	但这里是关键区别。
1174	Mainstream media is accountable.	主流媒体负责。
1175	In the UK, broadcasters are regulated by Ofcom,	在联合王国,广播公司由Ofcom公司管理,
1176	judged by independent standards of accuracy and impartiality.	根据准确性和公正性的独立标准判断。
1177	We issue corrections when we get things wrong.	我们一搞错就发更正
1178	Standards are enforced, and we are transparent about sources and funding.	标准得到实施,我们在来源和资金方面是透明的。
1179	I'm not going to bore you with the three parts, the ten sections,	我不打算让你厌烦这三部分,十节,
1180	and the 156 pages of the Ofcom broadcasting code.	以及Ofcom广播代码的156页.
1181	But we are governed around rules around harm and offence,	但是我们遵循的是关于伤害和犯罪的规则,
1182	privacy due to impartiality and accuracy.	隐私,因为公正和准确。
1183	And Sky News, as I said, is overseen by an independent board.	正如我所说,天空新闻由一个独立委员会监督。
1184	When we get stuff wrong, we are held accountable.	当我们弄错了, 我们的责任。
1185	This cannot be said for the new media.	对新媒体来说,这是不能说的。
1186	There is no doubt about the popularity of these new voices.	毫无疑问,这些新声音受到欢迎。
1187	They can be engaging, entertaining, they can be exciting.	他们可以接触,娱乐, 他们可以令人兴奋。
1188	But popularity is not the same as accountability.	但受欢迎程度不同于问责制。
1189	New media is just not bound by the same editorial codes.	新媒体只是不受同样的编辑代码的约束.
1190	Now, I wouldn't presume to question the journalistic integrity	现在,我不会怀疑记者的正直
1191	of those proposing the motion this evening,	今晚提出动议的人
1192	but I would be frankly foolish not to draw attention	但我会坦率的愚蠢不引起注意
1193	to the long list of egregious stories circulated by the new media.	以及新媒体流传的骇人听闻的新闻
1194	Baseless stories questioning the gender of political spouses,	质疑政治配偶性别的无稽之谈
1195	stories claiming the Covid-19 vaccine to be the work of fascists	传说科维德-19疫苗是法西斯的作品
1196	who seek to create a new world order, or horrific falsehoods.	他们想创造新的世界秩序,或恐怖的谎言。
1197	I do believe it was Tom Carlson who was the only person	我相信是汤姆・卡尔森是唯一一个
1198	to actually challenge a Republican senator during the Israeli invasion of Iraq,	在以色列入侵伊拉克期间挑战共和党参议员
1199	of which I didn't see any mainstream media actually challenging at all.	我并没有看到任何主流媒体实际上挑战。
1200	There was mainstream media challenge, but I will carry on.	有主流媒体的挑战, 但我会继续。
1201	Or to carry on with the falsehoods alleging that Sandy Hook School	或者继续那些谎言声称Sandy Hook学校
1202	shooting was a giant hoax.	开枪是个大骗局
1203	Do not get me wrong, I defend the right of freedom of expression	不要误会,我维护言论自由的权利
1204	to air these views, but to call us fake news,	播放这些观点, 但称我们为假新闻,
1205	or accuse us of spreading propaganda, is ironic to say the least.	或指责我们传播宣传,
1206	Now, there is one final vital point worth mentioning, and that's money.	最后一点值得一提,那就是钱。
1207	Funding of regular media, despite what you've heard tonight, is transparent.	尽管你今晚听到的消息普通媒体的经费是透明的
1208	You do know who advertises with us and the commercial pressures we face.	你知道谁跟我们一起做广告以及我们面临的商业压力
1209	Regardless of where Sky News is broadcasting from around the world,	不管天空新闻从哪里播报
1210	you know exactly how we are funded.	你知道我们是怎么得到资金的
1211	Our business model is built on this credibility,	我们的业务模式建立在这种信誉之上,
1212	because without our trust, our audience disappears.	因为没有我们的信任,我们的观众就消失了。
1213	Now, compare that to much of the new media.	现在,把这比作大多数新媒体。
1214	There are podcasters, YouTubers and influencers who receive direct payments	有播客,YouTube 和影响者直接收到付款
1215	from opaque donors and sponsors with little to no disclosure.	从不透明的捐助者和赞助者,很少或没有披露。
1216	Revenue depends on clicks and outrage, not accuracy.	收入取决于点击和愤怒,而不是准确性。
1217	So I have one final thought to leave you with.	所以,我有一个最后的想法留给你。
1218	The next time you want to see election results announced,	下次你希望看到选举结果公布时
1219	or get live updates after a terror incident,	或者在恐怖事件后获得最新消息
1220	or understand about what's going on around the world at any minute of any day,	或了解世界正在发生的一切在任何时刻,
1221	and as you reach for your phone or your remote control,	当你到达你的电话或遥控器,
1222	ask yourself not just where can I get this,	问问你自己不只是从哪里得到这个
1223	but where can I get it with trustworthiness, reliability and quality?	但我能从哪里得到可靠、可靠和质量?
1224	And who can be my eyes and ears around the world?	谁能做我的耳目?
1225	I am proud that the public can rely on our trusted journalists and reporters	我为公众能够依靠我们信任的记者和记者感到骄傲
1226	to deliver the facts and to help people understand what's happening in the world around them.	来传达事实帮助人们了解周围的世界
1227	And I know that as other forms of media grow,	我知道随着其他媒体的发展
1228	as the line between opinion and news is blurred,	因为舆论和新闻之间的界线是模糊的,
1229	as that media landscape continues to fragment and at times divide,	媒体状况继续分裂,有时甚至分裂,
1230	the role for us, the mainstream media, has grown ever stronger.	我们主流媒体的作用越来越强大。
1231	And it's been my great pleasure and privilege to defend that role this evening.	我今晚非常荣幸和荣幸地为这个角色辩护。
1232	Thank you.	谢谢

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