【牛津辩论】以色列比伊朗对地区稳定构成更大的威胁？
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| 0:04 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 0:08 | A friend of mine recently told me to avoid making my first paper speech on | 我的一个朋友最近告诉我 避免发表我的第一个论文 关于 |
| 0:12 | a controversial motion, so it is a relief to start with something as uncontroversial | 一个有争议的动议,所以它是一个解脱 从一些没有争议的东西开始 |
| 0:17 | as this. | 像这样 |
| 0:19 | I was also warned my employment options might be limited if I went too hard on Israel, | 我还被警告说,如果我对以色列太苛刻的话,我的就业选择可能有限, |
| 0:25 | so I am very sad to say that Netanyahu's press office will sadly be denying my application. | 所以我非常难过地说,内塔尼亚胡的新闻办公室 将可悲地拒绝我的申请。 |
| 0:31 | I would like to begin by thanking the President once more for giving me the opportunity to make | 首先,我谨再次感谢主席给我机会,使我能够 |
| 0:36 | my first paper speech. | 我的第一个论文。 |
| 0:37 | And what a motion to begin with. | 开始算什么运动 |
| 0:40 | Few propositions could be quite | 没有什么建议可以相当 |
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| 1 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 2 | A friend of mine recently told me to avoid making my first paper speech on | 我的一个朋友最近告诉我 避免发表我的第一个论文 关于 |
| 3 | a controversial motion, so it is a relief to start with something as uncontroversial | 一个有争议的动议,所以它是一个解脱 从一些没有争议的东西开始 |
| 4 | as this. | 像这样 |
| 5 | I was also warned my employment options might be limited if I went too hard on Israel, | 我还被警告说,如果我对以色列太苛刻的话,我的就业选择可能有限, |
| 6 | so I am very sad to say that Netanyahu's press office will sadly be denying my application. | 所以我非常难过地说,内塔尼亚胡的新闻办公室 将可悲地拒绝我的申请。 |
| 7 | I would like to begin by thanking the President once more for giving me the opportunity to make | 首先,我谨再次感谢主席给我机会,使我能够 |
| 8 | my first paper speech. | 我的第一个论文。 |
| 9 | And what a motion to begin with. | 开始算什么运动 |
| 10 | Few propositions could be quite | 没有什么建议可以相当 |
| 11 | so straightforward. | 这么直截了当。 |
| 12 | This House believes that Israel is a greater threat to regional stability | 本院认为,以色列是对区域稳定的更大威胁。 |
| 13 | than Iran. | 比伊朗强。 |
| 14 | And really, what a gift of a motion that is. | 痷 痷琌笆搂 |
| 15 | Israel makes the case for us quite | 以色列为我们辩护 |
| 16 | effortlessly. | 不费吹灰之力 |
| 17 | Violation after violation of ceasefires, repeated invasions and occupations, | 违反停火、一再入侵和占领后违反停火, |
| 18 | broken promises and acts of aggression dressed up as defence. | 违背诺言和侵略行为伪装成防卫行动。 |
| 19 | There has rarely been an easier | 没有什么比这更容易的 |
| 20 | case to argue in this Chamber. | 本庭辩论的案件。 |
| 21 | The dominant argument in international relations discourse, | 国际关系中的主要论点, |
| 22 | peddled for the last couple of decades in the United States and the Western world, is | 过去几十年在美国和西方世界, |
| 23 | that Iran is the principal threat and source of instability in the Middle East. | 伊朗是中东不稳定的主要威胁和根源。 |
| 24 | But it | 不过 |
| 25 | is essential to look deeper and ask which state has launched more destructive wars, | 必须更深入地审视,并询问哪个国家发动了更具破坏性的战争, |
| 26 | attacked more of its neighbours and killed more civilians. | 袭击更多的邻国,杀害更多的平民。 |
| 27 | The uncomfortable answer is, | 难受的答案是, |
| 28 | of course, Israel. | 当然,以色列。 |
| 29 | Never again will I be presented the chance to argue for or against a nation that | 我再也不会有机会为这个国家辩护或反对它 |
| 30 | proves my point for me, offering a wealth of historical and recent examples. | 证明了我的观点,提供了丰富的历史和最近的例子。 |
| 31 | Imagine this, | 想想这个 |
| 32 | as Israel did two months ago, striking Hamas peace negotiations in an US allied state while | 正如以色列两个月前所做的那样,在盟军国家打击哈马斯的和平谈判。 |
| 33 | hosting ceasefire talks to end your own war. | 主持停火谈判结束你自己的战争 |
| 34 | It sounds surreal, but that is the nature of Israel. | 这听起来超现实的,但这就是以色列的性质。 |
| 35 | And looking to the past does not paint a much rosier picture. | 向往往往事 并没有描绘出更华丽的画面 |
| 36 | From killing British diplomats | 从杀死英国外交官 |
| 37 | in the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem to providing military aid to anti-Assad rebels as | 在轰炸耶路撒冷大卫王饭店,向反阿萨德的叛军提供军事援助方面, |
| 38 | recently as 2018, Israel has consistently posed an existential threat to stability in the Middle | 最近到2018年,以色列一直对中东的稳定构成生存威胁。 |
| 39 | East. | 东方. |
| 40 | Even those countries with leaders with what President Trump gently refers to as rough | 即使那些有领导人的国家 特朗普总统轻而易举地称之为粗糙 |
| 41 | pass, for instance South Africa and Syria, have seen their figures moderate once in power. | 例如,南非和叙利亚在掌权后,其人物表现温和。 |
| 42 | Trump | 特朗普 |
| 43 | recently joked about Ahmed al-Sharah, Syria's current interim president, who once had a $10 | 最近开玩笑说,叙利亚现任临时总统艾哈迈德·沙拉赫曾经有过10美元。 |
| 44 | million US bounty on his head for being a terrorist. | 百万美国赏金在他的头上 一个恐怖分子。 |
| 45 | But Israel's own leaders, whose early years were | 但以色列自己的领导人,他们的早年是 |
| 46 | defined by terrorism against colonial powers, sabotage and espionage, never left those tendencies | 恐怖主义对殖民国家、破坏和间谍活动所下的定义从未离开过这些倾向 |
| 47 | behind. | 后面 后面那个 |
| 48 | The terror tactics of their pre-power years continued, and in some cases even intensified | 其事前数年的恐怖策略仍在继续,有时甚至加剧 |
| 49 | during their time in office. | 在任期间。 |
| 50 | Look to the Sabra and Shatila massacre enabled by Israeli forces, | 看着以色列军队促成的萨布拉和沙蒂拉大屠杀, |
| 51 | if you want proof of what those so-called rough pass produce in power. | 如果你想证明这些所谓的粗糙的通行证 会产生什么权力。 |
| 52 | Now the opposition will | 现在反对派会 |
| 53 | insist that Iran's nuclear program is the great destabilizing force in the Middle East, as Katie | 坚持伊朗的核计划是中东破坏稳定的强大力量 凯蒂 |
| 54 | has already enlightened us, but they will fail to tell you how Israel got its own nuclear weapons. | 但他们不会告诉你以色列是如何获得自己的核武器的。 |
| 55 | Israel obtained them entirely without international approval, and at least initially against the | 以色列完全未经国际批准而获得这些情报,至少最初反对以色列。 |
| 56 | wishes of its own sponsor, the United States. | 提案国美国的愿望。 |
| 57 | France helped build the Demona reactor under | 法国帮助建造了Demona反应堆 |
| 58 | the convenient label of a textile factory. | 一个纺织厂的方便标签。 |
| 59 | American-sourced materials featured in long | 长篇美国资料 |
| 60 | allegations, and the Numaka Fair left open suspicions about diverted US uranium. | 努马卡博览会也公开怀疑美国铀被转用。 |
| 61 | All of this was done | 这一切都做了 |
| 62 | under a shroud of deep secrecy, with Israel partnering with South Africa. | 与以色列合作 与南非。 |
| 63 | With its own alleged | 与自己的指称 |
| 64 | apartheid policies that treat Arab citizens as second rate, it is no wonder that the two found | 种族隔离政策把阿拉伯公民视为第二率,难怪他们发现 |
| 65 | so much in common. | 这么多的共同点。 |
| 66 | After Kennedy, who had the audacity to push for inspections of Demona, was | 肯尼迪有胆量 推动检查Demona之后 |
| 67 | assassinated, US policy shifted, and later presidents quietly acquiesced. | 被暗杀,美国政策转变,后来的总统悄悄默许. |
| 68 | The result? | 结果? |
| 69 | Israel's | 以色列 |
| 70 | undeclared nuclear arsenal tied America to endless entanglements, reinforced Arab affairs of a nuclear | 使美国与无休止的纠缠,强化了阿拉伯的核事务 |
| 71 | armed outlier, and helped drive other states, including Iran, to seek their own deterrent. | 并促使包括伊朗在内的其他国家寻求自己的威慑。 |
| 72 | At almost no point in its history has Israel acted in very good faith when it comes to peace, | 在和平问题上,以色列在其历史上几乎从未本着诚意行事, |
| 73 | consider the Lebanon example. | 考虑黎巴嫩的例子。 |
| 74 | In the 2006 war, Israel dropped up to 4 million cluster | 在2006年战争中,以色列减少了多达400万组 |
| 75 | subunits in the final 72 hours alone, and that was 90% of its total use. | 单是最后72小时的子单位,就占其总使用量的90%。 |
| 76 | This was after the UN | 这是在联合国之后 |
| 77 | resolution had already passed. | 决议已经通过。 |
| 78 | Or take Gaza, even after the ceasefire was agreed, the IDF, | 或占领加沙,即使在停火协议达成之后,以色列国防军, |
| 79 | apparently curious how it stopped piles of bran, dropped a few delayed gifts before the truce | 显然好奇的是,它是如何停止堆积的布伦, 在休战前放下了一些延迟的礼物 |
| 80 | took hold. | 稳住 |
| 81 | You might like to think that these are unfortunate one-offs. | 你可能会认为这些是不幸的一次性的。 |
| 82 | They are not. | 他们不是。 |
| 83 | Israel has a | 以色列有一个 |
| 84 | habit of killing ceasefires almost the moment they are thought up. | 杀害停火的习惯 几乎是一想到他们就会想到的 |
| 85 | In the month or so since the latest | 上个月左右 |
| 86 | ceasefire, Israeli attacks have killed at least 242 Palestinians and injured more than 600. | 以色列的攻击至少造成242名巴勒斯坦人死亡,600多人受伤。 |
| 87 | And | 还有 |
| 88 | the pattern is brutally predictable. | 模式是残酷可预测的。 |
| 89 | On the 19th of October 2025, Israel shattered the US-brokered | 2025年10月19日,以色列粉碎了美国经纪人 |
| 90 | Gaza truce with a wave of strikes that killed 26 civilians across camps and homes, including | 加沙停战,一波袭击,造成26名平民在营地和家园死亡,其中包括: |
| 91 | children. | 孩子们 |
| 92 | Two days later, the vice president of the United States, JD Vance, jetted in for a | 两天后,美国副总统万斯(JD Vance) 乘飞机赶到 |
| 93 | friendly visit, while Washington pressed ahead with over $10 billion in arms notifications this | 华盛顿以超过100亿美元的武器通知 |
| 94 | year alone. | 只有一年时间 |
| 95 | During the fragile 2025 January ceasefire, Israel committed over a thousand | 在脆弱的2025年1月停火期间,以色列承诺执行1 000多项停火。 |
| 96 | breaches, including airstrikes on civilian areas, grounded incursions along the Yellow Line, | 包括空袭平民地区、在黄线沿线进行强行入侵, |
| 97 | and a total aid blockade that choked off food, fuel, and medicine. | 和完全的援助封锁 扼杀食物、燃料和药品。 |
| 98 | It then refused phase two, | 它拒绝第二阶段, |
| 99 | kept the blockade, and killed hundreds of Palestinians, including 270 women and children. | 并杀害了数百名巴勒斯坦人,包括270名妇女和儿童。 |
| 100 | And what followed? | 接下来呢? |
| 101 | A $4 billion emergency aid package which included expedited US deliveries, | 40亿美元的紧急援助计划,包括加速美国交付, |
| 102 | faster weapons shipments, and Iron Dome upgrades, as Washington vetoed not one, not two, but three | 更快的武器运输, 铁穹升级, 因为华盛顿否决 不是一,不是二,而是三 |
| 103 | UN resolutions calling for restraint amid the chaos. | 在混乱中呼吁克制的联合国决议。 |
| 104 | Israel is uniquely susceptible to breaking | 以色列极易被破坏 |
| 105 | ceasefires because conflict keeps the weapons flowing. | 停火,因为冲突使武器流通。 |
| 106 | It ensures the money, the visibility, | 它能确保钱和能见度 |
| 107 | and the illusion of existential siege that underwrites its foreign policy. | 以及支持其外交政策的存在包围的幻想。 |
| 108 | Without conflict, | 没有冲突, |
| 109 | Israel has no leverage over its allies. | 以色列对其盟友没有任何影响力。 |
| 110 | Stability, to put it simply, threatens Israel's | 简言之,稳定威胁着以色列 |
| 111 | ambitions. | 雄心壮志 |
| 112 | And what of Israel's relationships? | 以色列的关系呢? |
| 113 | Israel is a bad friend. | 以色列是一个坏朋友。 |
| 114 | Its stress tests its | 它的压力测试它 |
| 115 | alliances to breaking point, brushing off US cautions and humiliating its partners in public. | 并公开羞辱其伙伴。 |
| 116 | Iran, for all of its flaws, at least maintains a few enduring friendships. | 伊朗尽管存在种种缺陷,但至少保持了几段持久的友谊。 |
| 117 | Israel is a broken | 以色列是一个破碎的 |
| 118 | player whose only party trick is bombing its neighbors and betraying its allies. | 玩家唯一的花招就是轰炸邻居 背叛盟友 |
| 119 | For years | 几年来 |
| 120 | under the ironically named Operation Good Neighbor, Israel funneled aid, cash, and weapons to anti-Assad | 以色列将援助、现金和武器输给反阿萨德, |
| 121 | rebels, including groups affiliated with the al-Nusra Front, al-Qaeda's Syrian branch. | 叛军,包括隶属于努斯拉阵线的团体,基地组织的叙利亚分支. |
| 122 | Wounded | 受伤 |
| 123 | fighters were treated in Israeli hospitals, and logistical support kept rebel units fighting. | 战斗人员在以色列医院接受治疗,后勤支助使反叛部队继续战斗。 |
| 124 | In other words, Israel was adding fuel to the fire of instability by backing groups that the US | 换句话说,以色列支持美国支持的团体,为不稳定的火力增添了燃料。 |
| 125 | and others designate as terrorists. | 以及其他人被指为恐怖分子。 |
| 126 | Despite Iran's authoritarianism and nuclear ambitions, | 尽管伊朗的专制和核野心, |
| 127 | it has simply failed to compete with the destabilizer in chief of the Near East. | 它根本未能与破坏稳定者争夺近东地区。 |
| 128 | Israel | 以色列 |
| 129 | is constantly ahead of the curve with innovative new ways to ensure peace never takes root. | 以新的创新方式确保和平永不生根。 |
| 130 | The fact of the matter is that Israel's policies do not invite peace. | 事实是,以色列的政策没有带来和平。 |
| 131 | It receives less aid when | 它得到的援助较少,如果 |
| 132 | tensions de-escalate, and Israel's foreign policy depends on conflict, militarily, politically, | 以色列的外交政策取决于冲突、军事、政治、政治、政治冲突。 |
| 133 | and economically. | 和经济上。 |
| 134 | It has to rely on illusion, or perhaps the genuine fear that every other state | 它必须依赖幻觉 或也许真正的恐惧 |
| 135 | in the region is out to get it. | 在地区是得到它。 |
| 136 | As offensive realism would predict, Israel pursues maximal power | 正如进攻现实主义所预言的,以色列追求最大的权力 |
| 137 | and regional hegemony under acute insecurity. | 和严重不安全下的区域霸权。 |
| 138 | Because of its constant siege mentality, | 由于其不断的围困心态, |
| 139 | Israel must project power simply to exist, so domination becomes the norm. | 以色列必须把权力投射出来,这样,统治就成为规范。 |
| 140 | It takes the power-seeking playbook to an extreme, burning through regional alliances | 它需要寻求权力的游戏本到极端,通过区域联盟燃烧 |
| 141 | whenever they're getting in the way, and failing to maintain any durable relationships in the | 每当他们阻碍, 和未能保持任何持久的关系 在其中 |
| 142 | neighborhood. | 邻里 |
| 143 | There was a time when the US and the world viewed Iran as the regional problem, | 曾一度美国和世界视伊朗为地区问题, |
| 144 | but that has largely shifted since 1979, because what has superseded the dangerous US-backed | 但自1979年以来,情况大为改观,因为已经取代了美国支持的危险因素。 |
| 145 | Israel was the US-backed Israel, which has had much more power to produce instability in the | 以色列是美国支持的以色列,它拥有更大的权力来制造不稳定。 |
| 146 | region. | 区域。 |
| 147 | No state propped up by a superpower, whether American or Soviet or anything else, | 没有哪个国家被超级大国,无论是美国还是苏维埃,还是别的什么 |
| 148 | has had the ability to bring lasting stability to the Middle East, and despite its Islamic | 有能力给中东带来持久稳定,尽管其伊斯兰 |
| 149 | revolution, Iran has failed to become the principal source of destabilization. | 伊朗没有成为破坏稳定的主要来源。 |
| 150 | It comes close in 2025, but this is only after decades of Israeli and American behavior made it | 在2025年关闭,但这 仅仅经过几十年的以色列和美国行为 |
| 151 | almost impossible not to react. | 几乎不可能不作出反应。 |
| 152 | From its very inception, the state of Israel has not brought | 以色列国从一开始就没有带来 |
| 153 | stability. | 稳定。 |
| 154 | It serves a narrow set of interests. | 它符合狭隘的利益。 |
| 155 | Perhaps Herzl could only imagine a homeland, | 也许赫兹尔只能想象一个家园 |
| 156 | but what has sadly emerged is a garrison state. | 但可悲的是出现了一个守军国家 |
| 157 | Israel's relations with its neighbors are only | 以色列与其邻国的关系 |
| 158 | episodically calm, rarely peaceable and never sustained. | 令人惊叹的平静,很少和平,也从未持续。 |
| 159 | Before its creation, there was at | 在创建前,它曾经是 |
| 160 | least some possibility of peaceful interfaith life across the Levant, and afterwards we have | 至少在黎凡特和平的信仰间生活 之后 |
| 161 | seen only wars and occupation. | 只有战争和占领。 |
| 162 | Iran, despite its proxy networks and nuclear ambitions, only requires | 伊朗尽管拥有代理网络和核野心,但仅要求 |
| 163 | at most regime change, and perhaps not even that for stable relations with the rest of the Middle | 多数政权更迭,甚至与中国内地的稳定关系 |
| 164 | East. | 东方. |
| 165 | Israel on the other hand shares terrible relations with the majority of its neighbors. | 另一方面,以色列与其大多数邻国有着可怕的关系。 |
| 166 | The Sunni Shia issue pales in comparison to the issues that Israel has created | 逊尼派什叶派问题比以色列制造的问题苍白 |
| 167 | for itself. | 为了自己 |
| 168 | To reiterate my central argument, Israel's policies feed on instability. | 为了重申我的核心论点,以色列的政策是不稳定的。 |
| 169 | Israel | 以色列 |
| 170 | acts against ceasefires, undermines peace initiatives, and manipulates its allies while | 破坏和平倡议,操纵盟国,同时 |
| 171 | arming its enemies and sustaining a permanent war economy that thrives on chaos. | 武装其敌人,维持以混乱为生的永久战争经济。 |
| 172 | Where Iran | 在伊朗境内 |
| 173 | antagonizes, Israel annihilates. | 对抗,以色列毁灭。 |
| 174 | And where Iran postures, Israel bombs. | 而伊朗的姿态,以色列炸弹。 |
| 175 | And where stability | 在稳定的地方 |
| 176 | threatens to break through, Israel ensures it dies first. | 以色列威胁要突破,确保它先死。 |
| 177 | Mr. President, honorable members of | 总统先生,尊敬的成员 |
| 178 | this House, the truth is undeniable. | 这宫殿,真理是不可否认的。 |
| 179 | Behind its endless talk of security and survival, Israel has | 以色列无休止地谈论安全和生存,在其背后 |
| 180 | abandoned any real pursuit of peace. | 放弃了任何真正的和平追求 |
| 181 | It stands today as the region's chief destabilizer, and that | 它今天是该地区的主要破坏稳定者。 |
| 182 | is why this House must see that it is Israel, not Iran, that poses the greatest threat to Middle | 正因为如此,本大会堂必须看到,对中东构成最大威胁的是以色列,而不是伊朗。 |
| 183 | Eastern stability. | 东方稳定. |
| 184 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 185 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 186 | I now look to William Rome to continue the case | 我现在希望罗马继续办这个案子 |
| 187 | for side opposition. | 对方反对。 |
| 188 | Good evening and thank you very much. | 晚上好,非常感谢。 |
| 189 | Now, when the President asked me this | 现在,当总统问我 |
| 190 | morning to speak on this motion, my first thought, I have to tell you all, what have I done wrong? | 早上要就这个动议发言, 我的第一个想法, 我必须告诉大家, 我做了什么错事? |
| 191 | You see, I'm on the most cancelable side of the most cancelable debate at one of the most | 你看,我是最可以取消的一方 最可以取消的辩论之一 |
| 192 | cancelable institutions in the world. | 世界上可取消的机构。 |
| 193 | Dear, oh dear. | 亲爱的,哦,亲爱的。 |
| 194 | It's a pretty daunting prospect for any | 这对任何一个 |
| 195 | speaker. | 扬声器。 |
| 196 | Well, maybe my last performance. | 好吧,也许我的最后一次表演。 |
| 197 | But joking aside, thank you very much for the opportunity | 开个玩笑,谢谢你给我这个机会 |
| 198 | and congratulations on your turn. | 并祝贺你轮到你。 |
| 199 | It is a great and much deserved success. | 这是一次巨大和非常值得的成功。 |
| 200 | Down to business. | 下至诸业. |
| 201 | Let's start with a very big disclaimer. | 我们从一个非常大的免责声明开始 |
| 202 | Israel's conduct in Gaza | 以色列在加沙地带的行为 |
| 203 | is reprehensible. | 应该受到谴责。 |
| 204 | No other words about it. | 无别说法. |
| 205 | Although the argument about whether they've | 虽然关于他们是否 |
| 206 | reached the statutory definition of genocide is debatable, it's in a sense not the point. | 达到种族灭绝的法定定义是值得争论的, 从某种意义上讲,这不是重点。 |
| 207 | There is clear evidence of war crimes and Netanyahu's conduct is utterly unbecoming | 有明显证据表明内塔尼亚胡犯下了战争罪行 其行为完全不妥 |
| 208 | of any government leader, let alone one who affects to lead a civilized society. | 更别提影响领导文明社会的人 |
| 209 | Salvation of civilians is never justified. | 拯救平民是毫无道理的。 |
| 210 | And the comments of Ben-Gavir, Smotrich and Ko, | 而本-加维尔,斯莫特里希和科的评论, |
| 211 | they're a disgrace. | 他们是耻辱。 |
| 212 | This is not a qualified remark. | 这不是一个有保留的评论。 |
| 213 | There is no but. | 没有,但。 |
| 214 | Positioned against this is the Islamic Republic of Iran. | 伊朗伊斯兰共和国反对这样做。 |
| 215 | Its treatment of women and the LGBT | 它对妇女和LGBT的待遇 |
| 216 | community is equally reprehensible. | 社区同样应受谴责。 |
| 217 | Its approach to religious minorities makes Israel's look | 以色列对待宗教少数的态度使以色列看起来 |
| 218 | frankly positively benign. | 坦白地说,是善意的。 |
| 219 | And whereas there is vocal and active opposition in Israel, | 虽然在以色列有激烈和积极的反对, |
| 220 | Palestinians, but there is from the Arab-Israeli minority, Iran has systematically repressed | 巴勒斯坦人,但有来自阿拉伯-以色列少数民族,伊朗有系统地镇压 |
| 221 | all opposition. | 所有反对者 |
| 222 | I'm afraid, sir, you are here as evidence of that. | 恐怕您是作为证据来的 |
| 223 | Its government is a disgraceful, frankly, blot on the history of one of the great civilizations | 坦率地说,它的政府是伟大文明之一的历史的污点。 |
| 224 | of humanity, of history, the Persians. | 人类 历史 波斯人 |
| 225 | But this debate is not about moral righteousness of either | 但这场辩论 与道德正义无关 |
| 226 | of these countries. | 这些国家。 |
| 227 | I happen to think that Israel is a country that should and can be a positive | 我碰巧认为以色列是一个应该而且能够成为一个积极的国家。 |
| 228 | force in the world, but is deeply troubled in how it's approaching fundamental decisions. | 但对于它是如何接近基本决定 却深感不安 |
| 229 | Iran, meanwhile, is, for me, beyond redemption. | 与此同时,对于我来说,伊朗已经超出了救赎的范围。 |
| 230 | Under its current political settlement, that is. | 根据其目前的政治解决办法,这就是说。 |
| 231 | The historical nation of Persia is among humanity's most accomplished and exceptional. | 历史上的波斯国家是人类最成就和最杰出的国家之一. |
| 232 | And I look to figures like Sharon Abadi, Nargis Mohammadi, who offer a far brighter future for | 我期待着像莎伦·阿巴迪,纳吉斯·穆罕默德这样的人物,他们为 |
| 233 | the Iranian people and one that recognizes and treasures that history and that culture | 承认并珍视历史和文化的人 |
| 234 | and is a force for good in the region and the world. | 并且是本地区和世界的善战力量。 |
| 235 | We don't see that now. | 我们现在看不出来。 |
| 236 | The question we're debating here is their impact on the wider region. | 我们在这里辩论的问题是它们对于更广大地区的影响. |
| 237 | And this is where I will argue that Iran offers a far greater active threat to regional stability | 我在此认为,伊朗对区域稳定的威胁要大得多。 |
| 238 | than does Israel. | 比以色列还好 |
| 239 | I point to four key issues. | 我指出四个关键问题。 |
| 240 | Firstly, its ideological approach. | 第一,它的意识形态方法。 |
| 241 | Secondly, | 第二,我们... |
| 242 | its actions and use of proxies in Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, and Gaza. | 在也门、叙利亚、黎巴嫩和加沙的行动和使用代理人。 |
| 243 | Its approach to freedom of | 它对自由自由的态度 |
| 244 | and the law of the seas. | 与诸海法. |
| 245 | And finally, its engagement with the wider region and with | 最后,它与更广大的区域和 |
| 246 | the little bit of geographic indulgence. | 一点点的地理宽容。 |
| 247 | I'm going to include Ukraine here. | 我要把乌克兰也包括在内 |
| 248 | Let me start with ideology, as it explains everything that follows. | 让我从意识形态开始,因为它解释了随后的一切。 |
| 249 | I want to raise the interplay between theology and ideology in each country and how this | 我想提高各国神学和意识形态的相互作用 以及这个 |
| 250 | impacts its foreign policy. | 影响其外交政策。 |
| 251 | For the Israelis, this means Zionism. | 对以色列人来说,这意味着犹太复国主义。 |
| 252 | And as I say this, I'm | 如我所说,我 |
| 253 | anticipating a sharp intake of breath in the room. | 预想着房间里的呼吸会很紧张 |
| 254 | Oh, God, where's he going with this? | 哦,上帝,他要用这个干什么? |
| 255 | No. | 没有 |
| 256 | Like Islam, Judaism is a fundamentally peaceful religion, and I personally support | 和伊斯兰教一样,犹太教是一个基本和平的宗教,我个人支持 |
| 257 | Zionism in my interpretation of it. | 锡安主义在我的解释中。 |
| 258 | In my interpretation of it, that the Jewish people | 在我的解释中,犹太人民 |
| 259 | have the right to a homeland in their ancestral home of Israel. | 拥有在他们祖先的以色列家园建立家园的权利。 |
| 260 | The Jewish Center for Justice | 犹太正义中心 |
| 261 | agrees with my definition. | 同意我的定义。 |
| 262 | This is grounded in the visceral reaction I personally felt | 这基于我个人感受到的内脏反应 |
| 263 | when I visited Auschwitz. | 当我访问奥斯维辛时 |
| 264 | But it does not mean that the Palestinians don't also deserve a | 但是,这并不意味着巴勒斯坦人也不应该获得 |
| 265 | homeland. | 祖国 |
| 266 | They absolutely do in their ancestral homelands. | 他们绝对是在他们祖先的故乡。 |
| 267 | And I would argue that Zionism has | 而我认为锡安主义 |
| 268 | been exploited beyond its original purpose. | 被超越了最初的目的 |
| 269 | Now, let's consider what I would argue to be | 现在,让我们考虑一下,我会说什么 |
| 270 | the closest Iranian equivalent for influencing foreign policy as an ideology. | 作为意识形态影响外交政策的最接近的伊朗人。 |
| 271 | Translated as guardianship of the jurists, I apologize if I butchered the pronunciation. | 译为"法学家的监护",我道歉 如果我砍掉读音。 |
| 272 | This justifies the authority of the supreme leader in his supposed position as the font of | 这证明最高领导人在假定他担任的 " 字体: |
| 273 | knowledge and moral virtue. | 知识与道德德行. |
| 274 | Crucially, though, it has an explicit expansionist element to it. | 但重要的是,它有一个明显的扩张主义因素。 |
| 275 | And this justifies a lot of what Iran is doing. | 这为伊朗的所作所为提供了理由。 |
| 276 | As Ayatollah Khamenei said in a speech on Radio | 正如阿亚图拉·哈梅内伊在电台的演讲中所说 |
| 277 | Tehran in 1980, and I quote directly, we should try hard to export our revolution to the world | 1980年德黑兰,我直接引用,我们应该努力向世界输出我们的革命 |
| 278 | because Islam does not regard various Islamic countries differently and is the supporter of | 因为伊斯兰教对不同的伊斯兰国家没有不同的看待,并且支持 |
| 279 | all the oppressed people of the world. | 全世界所有被压迫的人民 |
| 280 | He adds, this possibly gives an indication of the more | 他补充说,这可能说明, |
| 281 | concerning aspect of this ideology. | 有关这种意识形态的方面。 |
| 282 | We are fighting against international communism | 我们反对国际共产主义 |
| 283 | to the same degree that we are fighting against the Western world. | 与我们对抗西方世界的程度相同。 |
| 284 | And again, I quote, | 我再说一遍, |
| 285 | devourers led by America, Israel and Zionism. | 美国、以色列和犹太复国主义领导的吞噬者。 |
| 286 | 锡安主义和Wilayat al-Fakir是根本 | |
| 287 | to the foreign policy of Israel and Iran respectively. | 以色列和伊朗的外交政策。 |
| 288 | There's a difference. | 有分别. |
| 289 | Israel is fundamentally defensive. | 以色列基本上是防御性的。 |
| 290 | Iran is fundamentally offensive. | 伊朗从根本上来说是进攻性的。 |
| 291 | Zionism, whatever one thinks of its consequences, it's a national project. | 锡安主义,无论人们认为它的后果如何,都是国家计划. |
| 292 | It's local. | 地方志. |
| 293 | It's based in Israel. | 总部位于以色列. |
| 294 | Wilayat al-Fakir本质上是跨国的。 | |
| 295 | It's designed to be | 它的设计是 |
| 296 | supported. | 支持 。 |
| 297 | No, thank you. | 不 谢谢 |
| 298 | Israel may be very prickly and has occupied, probably illegally, | 以色列可能非常挑剔 占领,可能非法占领, |
| 299 | a considerable portion of territory and treated the population of the occupied territories with | 相当大一部分领土和对待被占领土上的居民 |
| 300 | contempt. | 藐视法庭 |
| 301 | But from the date of its foundation, it was surrounded by neighbors wanting to wipe | 但从成立之日起 周围都是想擦的邻居 |
| 302 | it off the map. | 地图上的 |
| 303 | And although most have become tacit allies of Israel, not all have. | 虽然大多数人已成为以色列的默认盟友,但并非所有人都如此。 |
| 304 | And Iran | 还有伊朗 |
| 305 | provides the most stark example, the most obvious example here. | 提供了最鲜明的例子,最明显的例子。 |
| 306 | How can Israel remain anything but | 以色列怎么能够保持一切? |
| 307 | porcupine in the region when one of its most powerful and influential neighbors | 该地区最强大最有影响力的海豚 |
| 308 | wants to utterly annihilate it? | 想彻底消灭它吗? |
| 309 | It's part of their founding doctrine. | 这是他们创立学说的一部分. |
| 310 | Now, by contrast, we have the Iranian government whose approach to regional stability, I think, | 现在,相比之下,伊朗政府, 我认为, |
| 311 | can be described best by a little anecdote from an old chemistry professor of mine. | 最好用我一个化学教授的传闻来描述 |
| 312 | Now, | 现在, |
| 313 | bear with me on this one. | 跟我来 |
| 314 | He was an Iranian Christian himself. | 他本人是伊朗基督徒. |
| 315 | As a child, bored of sitting | 作为一个孩子,厌倦坐 |
| 316 | on a fishing boat holding a rod, he decided that a better approach would be to throw a handful of | 他决定,更好的办法就是扔几块 |
| 317 | dynamite in the pond. | 炸药在池塘。 |
| 318 | See what happened then. | 看看后来发生了什么 |
| 319 | Interestingly enough, he did catch some fish. | 有意思的是 他确实钓到了鱼 |
| 320 | Never mind. | 没关系 |
| 321 | He did catch some fish. | 他确实抓了一些鱼。 |
| 322 | But unfortunately, they were all blown to smithereens. | 但不幸的是,他们都被炸成碎片 |
| 323 | And that story, frankly, describes Iran's approach to regional politics. | 而这个故事坦率地描述了伊朗对地区政治的态度. |
| 324 | So instead of fishing with | 所以,与其钓鱼 |
| 325 | a rod, it uses dynamite. | 棍子,它用炸药。 |
| 326 | And I have to say, Iran has created just about the most eclectic boy band | 我不得不说,伊朗已经创建了 大约最喜悦的男孩乐队 |
| 327 | of evil known to man. | 以世人所知道的恶报盟誓, |
| 328 | Hezbollah, Hamas, Assad's Syria, the Houthis. | 真主党,哈马斯,阿萨德的叙利亚,胡塞人. |
| 329 | It's quite the rogues gallery. | 这是相当的流氓画廊。 |
| 330 | And it's remarkable how each has been allowed to crumble when it's no longer in Iran's interest. | 并且令人惊叹的是,当伊朗不再有利益时,每个人都被允许崩溃。 |
| 331 | Although, let's be clear, their demise is not lamented. | 虽然,让我们清楚地知道,他们的灭亡并没有哀叹. |
| 332 | And it perfectly illustrates my point. | 这完全说明了我的观点。 |
| 333 | When Israel has demonstrated, for a while it's demonstrated, a remarkable lack of vision | 当以色列证明, 一段时间它已经证明, 明显缺乏远见 |
| 334 | for Gaza, Iran has demonstrated a remarkable lack of vision everywhere. | 就加沙而言,伊朗在各地都明显缺乏远见。 |
| 335 | All it has done is focused on sewing discord across the Middle East | 它所做的一切都集中在 缝纫不和整个中东 |
| 336 | for decades. | 数十年。 |
| 337 | And its meddling has led to broken states, slaughtered populations, | 它的干涉导致了国家解体, 屠杀人口, |
| 338 | and vast human tragedy. | 和巨大的人类悲剧。 |
| 339 | Now look at Syria. | 现在看看叙利亚。 |
| 340 | Once the Russo-Iranian puppet Bashar al-Assad | 曾经是俄罗斯伊朗傀儡巴沙尔·阿萨德 |
| 341 | was given a rather swift kick up the backside by Ahmed al-Sharah, who you rightly mention, | Ahmed al-Sharah给了他一个相当迅速的踢背,你正确地提到, |
| 342 | and his fighters, Syria's recovery has been extraordinary. | 以及他的战士,叙利亚的复苏是非凡的。 |
| 343 | Imperfect, I don't disagree, | 不完美,我不反对 |
| 344 | but extraordinary. | 但很特别 |
| 345 | Working with neighbors far and wide to improve a lot of the Syrian people, | 为了改善叙利亚人民的生活, |
| 346 | and handling fairly deftly the delicate ethnic balance which Assad so willingly trampled. | 阿萨德如此心甘情愿地践踏了微妙的种族平衡。 |
| 347 | Yet I would argue that it is highly likely that Syria would never have been given a chance | 但我认为,叙利亚很可能永远不会有机会 |
| 348 | if Iran had not been so distracted by its other proxies, wars. | 如果伊朗没有被其他代理人如此分心的话,战争。 |
| 349 | So it failed to help | 所以没有帮助 |
| 350 | Assad and Syria under its old regime. | 阿萨德和叙利亚在其旧政权统治下. |
| 351 | I'm saying this is a fundamental good. | 我说这是个基本好处 |
| 352 | Now thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 353 | Israel's interference in Syria has not helped its recovery, don't get me wrong, | 以色列对叙利亚的干涉并没有帮助叙利亚的恢复,不要误解我, |
| 354 | but it has not fundamentally prevented it. | 但它并没有从根本上阻止它。 |
| 355 | I'm hopeful also that the systematic | 我也希望系统化 |
| 356 | destruction of Hezbollah will create similar opportunities in Lebanon. | 真主党的破坏将在黎巴嫩创造类似的机会。 |
| 357 | Now the Houthis, | 现在胡塞人, |
| 358 | meanwhile, lead me on to one of the most concrete examples of how Iran is endangering the region. | 同时,请让我举出伊朗如何危及该地区的最具体的例子之一。 |
| 359 | Iran has used this proxy force to strike at the maritime arteries in the Middle East, | 伊朗利用这支代理部队 攻击中东的海脉 |
| 360 | destabilizing wider trade flows. | 破坏更广泛的贸易流动。 |
| 361 | Consider the two critical maritime theaters, | 想想这两个关键的海洋剧院, |
| 362 | waters off Yemen leading to the Suez Canal, and the Strait of Hormuz. | 也门通往苏伊士运河和霍尔木兹海峡的水域。 |
| 363 | In the Red Sea, | 在红海 |
| 364 | the Houthi campaign, backed and enabled by Iran, has launched drones, missiles and raids on | 在伊朗的支持和扶持下,胡塞运动发动了无人机、导弹和袭击 |
| 365 | container ships, forcing them to divert around the Cape of Good Hope, disrupting extraordinarily | 迫使他们绕着好望角转道 扰乱了我们的航线 |
| 366 | global finance, and particularly the Middle East. | 全球金融,特别是中东金融。 |
| 367 | Meanwhile in the Strait of Hormuz, | 与此同时,在霍尔木兹海峡, |
| 368 | Iran's own geography and threats to disrupt tanker traffic render the route an enormous | 伊朗自身的地理位置和破坏油轮交通的威胁使航线变得十分庞大。 |
| 369 | lever for them. | 他们的杠杆。 |
| 370 | Some 20 million barrels of crude oil a day pass through this choke point, | 每天约有2 000万桶原油经过这个窒息点, |
| 371 | and roughly a fifth of global crude consumption depends on it. | 全球粗耗的大约五分之一依赖于它。 |
| 372 | When Iran uses threats or actions | 当伊朗使用威胁或行动时 |
| 373 | by itself, all via its proxies, to interfere with passage, the ripple effect is very severe. | 单靠自身,全部通过它的代理,干扰通过,波纹效应非常严重. |
| 374 | They have established a pattern of behavior using maritime vulnerability as a strategic tool. | 它们以海上脆弱性为战略工具,确立了一种行为模式。 |
| 375 | It is | 没错 |
| 376 | not defensive, but rather a coercive strategy designed to shake the region, raise costs, | 不是防御性的,而是旨在动摇该地区的强制战略,增加成本, |
| 377 | generate fear, and impair the normal commerce on which regional stability and global stability | 造成恐惧,损害区域稳定和全球稳定的正常商业 |
| 378 | require. | 要求。 |
| 379 | Israel frankly has neither the ambition nor the means to do anything comparable. | 坦率地说,以色列既没有雄心,也没有办法做任何类似的事情。 |
| 380 | Finally, we must consider briefly Iran's willingness to join its allies, Russia, | 最后,我们必须简要考虑一下伊朗加入其盟国俄罗斯的意愿, |
| 381 | China and North Korea, your friends that you mentioned, in the war in Ukraine. | 在乌克兰战争中,你提到的中国和朝鲜的朋友。 |
| 382 | Ukraine is the front line against Russian aggression to the West, to democracy, and Iran | 乌克兰是反对俄罗斯侵略西方、民主和伊朗的前线 |
| 383 | has really undertaken quite a concerted effort to ensure that it wins, Russia wins. | 真正作出了相当一致的努力,以确保它获胜,俄罗斯获胜。 |
| 384 | It recognizes | 它承认 |
| 385 | its position as one of Russia's most important strategic partners. | 作为俄罗斯最重要的战略伙伴之一。 |
| 386 | It has pledged to head drones | 它承诺领导无人机 |
| 387 | which have attacked not just Ukrainian military personnel, but civilians and civilian infrastructure, | 不仅攻击乌克兰军事人员,而且攻击平民和民用基础设施, |
| 388 | and in doing so it has proven that its malign impact is visible even beyond the Middle East. | 事实证明,甚至在中东以外,它的恶性影响也是显而易见的。 |
| 389 | Israel's actions, meanwhile, have stayed firmly grounded in the very narrow region. | 与此同时,以色列的行动仍然牢牢地扎根于这个非常狭窄的区域。 |
| 390 | So in all, | 所以总而言之, |
| 391 | hope that you can see why. | 希望你们能明白原因 |
| 392 | Irrespective of some unbelievably foolish decisions made by the Israeli | 无论以色列作出什么令人难以置信的愚蠢决定 |
| 393 | government, in the past two years particularly, Iran poses by far the greater threat to regional | 特别是在过去两年里,伊朗对该区域构成更大的威胁。 |
| 394 | stability, and for that matter, global stability. | 稳定,以及为此,全球稳定。 |
| 395 | And so with that, thank you, | 因此,这样,谢谢你, |
| 396 | and I urge you to vote with the opposition. | 我敦促你和反对派投票 |
| 397 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 398 | Thank you, well, before we move on to speeches from our esteemed guest speakers, | 谢谢,在我们开始从尊敬的嘉宾演讲之前, |
| 399 | I now open to speeches from the house. | 我现在欢迎来自该堂的发言。 |
| 400 | You can raise your membership card, I will recognize you. | 你可以提高你的会员卡, 我会认出你。 |
| 401 | We will have only two speeches, one on site proposition, one on opposition, | 我们只有两场演讲,一场现场演讲,一场反对演讲, |
| 402 | and then we'll move on to speeches from our esteemed guest speakers. | 然后我们再从尊敬的嘉宾演讲者发言。 |
| 403 | If you wish to speak, | 如果你想说话, |
| 404 | please raise your card now on site proposition. | 请在现场提议中举牌 |
| 405 | I recognize the member in the green | 我认得绿色的成员 |
| 406 | there. | 这里 |
| 407 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 408 | May the house please come to order, please. | 愿家请来令. |
| 409 | Thank you, Mr. President, | 谢谢你,主席先生, |
| 410 | for the recognition. | 为表彰。 |
| 411 | Just to put things into context, we don't need the exact numbers, | 我们不需要确切的数字 |
| 412 | we don't need the exact military capacities, we don't need to know the exact stance on, | 我们不需要准确的军事能力 我们不需要知道确切的立场 |
| 413 | the United Nations of the different countries. | 代表不同国家的联合国。 |
| 414 | We only need to know is that Israel has been | 我们只需要知道,以色列一直 |
| 415 | deliberately bombing hospitals. | 故意轰炸医院。 |
| 416 | It has been bombing the areas that have been determined | 它一直在轰炸已经确定的地区 |
| 417 | as safe havens for citizens to get aid in, for citizens to try to survive when there's no food, | 作为公民获得援助的安全避难所 公民在没有食物的情况下试图生存 |
| 418 | there's no clean water, disease is spreading and it's tiring to see that only one side is getting | 没有干净的水,疾病正在蔓延,看到只有一方得到,实在太累了 |
| 419 | called terrorists when clearly a disproportionate amount of violence is being imposed on one side | 在一方明显施加不成比例的暴力时称为恐怖分子 |
| 420 | by the other side. | 在另一边。 |
| 421 | It's tiring to see the western nations label all of their actions as self-defense | 看到西方国家把所有的行动都贴上自卫的标签 实在是太累了 |
| 422 | when their use of violence is so disproportionate to the point that it's defined by definition | 当他们使用暴力的不相称程度 以至于它的定义 |
| 423 | as genocide and it's also tiring to see people argue that all Muslim people or all Palestinian | 也令人厌倦地看到人们争论说所有穆斯林人民或所有巴勒斯坦人 |
| 424 | people or all people of a certain region are terrorists, are all just because they're Muslim | 某个地区的人或所有的人都是恐怖分子 因为他们都是穆斯林 |
| 425 | or just because they don't live with the western standards that have been imposed on the planet, | 或者仅仅因为他们不 生活在西方标准 已经强加于地球, |
| 426 | that they are not worthy of our attention. | 他们不值得我们注意。 |
| 427 | And just to put this into context, we talk about | 说到背景,我们谈论 |
| 428 | genocide, genocide, genocide, we hear this word everywhere. | 种族灭绝、种族灭绝、种族灭绝,我们到处听到这个词。 |
| 429 | Think about a child here, right now, | 想想现在的小孩 |
| 430 | right here, this size, a little child. | 在这里,这个尺寸,一个小孩。 |
| 431 | They kill those children. | 他们杀了那些孩子。 |
| 432 | There is no excuse, even if it's | 没有借口,即使它是 |
| 433 | self-defense, even if it was actually self-defense, there is no excuse for children to be killed, | 正当防卫,即使它实际上是正当防卫, 没有借口杀死儿童, |
| 434 | children to be targeted. | 儿童将成为目标。 |
| 435 | It's not like they're bombing military bases and children happen to | 他们不是在轰炸军事基地 孩子们碰巧 |
| 436 | be here. | 在这里。 |
| 437 | No, no. | 没有,没有。 |
| 438 | They bombed the places where there should be civilians and there is no greater | 他们轰炸了应该有平民的地方,没有更多的地方了。 |
| 439 | threat to instability than that because that means international law has been rendered meaningless. | 国际法已经变得毫无意义。 |
| 440 | That means no measure of safety, no measure of negotiation is impactful as of now and that is | 这意味着没有安全措施,没有谈判措施影响现在,也就是说, |
| 441 | due to Israel's actions. | 由于以色列的行动。 |
| 442 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 443 | I now look for a speaker in opposition of the motion. | 我现在找一位反对该动议的发言者。 |
| 444 | I recognize the ex-elected member of standing committee, St. Cross College. | 我承认前常务委员会委员圣十字学院。 |
| 445 | Well, I wasn't planning on intervening in this motion, but I exactly was inspired by the honorable | 我本不打算介入这个动议的 但我完全被尊敬的 |
| 446 | gentleman here, by the delivery of one historical nation that proceeds naturally, but I would say | 在这里,先生们,通过交付 一个历史国家 自然发展, 但我会说 |
| 447 | idiosyncratically, the state of Iran, in this case, the state of Persia, but also the Medes and the | 典型地说,伊朗国,在这种情况下,波斯国,但也有美底人和美底人。 |
| 448 | Persians, and I do not want to make a religious standpoint when I reference the book of Daniel | 波斯人,我不想谈宗教观点 当我提到丹尼尔的书 |
| 449 | in the Old Testament, understanding how the Medes and the Persians relied on the Israelites, | 在《旧约》中,你应当了解麦底人和波斯人是如何信赖以色列的。 |
| 450 | more precisely on prophet Daniel, understanding the regional influence at the time in ancient | 更确切地说,先知丹尼尔, 理解当时的区域影响 在古代 |
| 451 | Persia on how to counter, and in this case, when they dethroned the Babylonians at the time. | 波斯研究如何反击,在此情况下,当当时他们将巴比伦人打倒时. |
| 452 | I'm not trying to say that Iran is the same old state in the time as Persia, but understanding | 我并不想说伊朗和波斯一样老, |
| 453 | that idiosyncrasy is inherited, and the way that Iran is managed at the time, I would say that they | 以及伊朗当时的管理方式,我要说, |
| 454 | follow the same structural patterns, the same ideas, but the same time transcribed at how it | 遵循相同的结构模式, 相同的思想, 但同一时间转录如何 |
| 455 | is imposed today, in a matter of understanding how it operates, and I do not want to make, again, | 今天被强加, 在一个了解它如何运作的问题, 我不想再次, |
| 456 | a religious standpoint. | 宗教观点。 |
| 457 | I'm actually inspired at the same time by understanding how an ancient | 其实我同时也被启发了 理解一个古老的 |
| 458 | nation still persists in the minds and how idiosyncrasy works within their structure. | 民族在思想中仍然顽固存在,在民族结构中如何发挥特异性。 |
| 459 | Thank you so much. | 非常感谢 |
| 460 | Thank you, order. | 谢谢,命令。 |
| 461 | I now look to former Prime Minister of Palestine, Dr. | 我现在期待巴勒斯坦前总理,博士。 |
| 462 | Steyer 继续做副提议 | |
| 463 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 464 | My dear friends, I don't know | 亲爱的朋友们,我不知道 |
| 465 | whether really this question deserves the debate or not, because we all know what the conclusion | 这个问题是否真的值得辩论,因为我们都知道结论是什么 |
| 466 | is going to be. | 这将是。 |
| 467 | Israel is an expansionist colonial state that has been established | 以色列是一个扩张主义的殖民国家。 |
| 468 | by colonial powers in 1948 on Palestinian territories, and it did cause the expulsion | 1948年在巴勒斯坦领土上被殖民国家 |
| 469 | of 950,000 Palestinians who became refugees, and they have been living in refugee camps | * 95万巴勒斯坦人成为难民,他们一直生活在难民营 |
| 470 | since 1948. | 自1948年以来。 |
| 471 | These people have not been camping in Syria and Lebanon and Jordan. | 这些人没有在叙利亚、黎巴嫩和约旦露营。 |
| 472 | These people have been living in miserable situations, waiting for the right of return | 这些人一直生活在悲惨的境地,等待返回的权利 |
| 473 | to their homeland, and when Israel was established as a watchdog for imperial powers to safeguard | 当以色列成为帝国主义势力的守护者 |
| 474 | in the Suez Canal, Israel designed its policies on the basis of racial discrimination, | 在苏伊士运河,以色列根据种族歧视制定了政策, |
| 475 | not only against the Palestinians, but against Oriental Jews, against Ethiopian Jews, | 不仅针对巴勒斯坦人,而且针对东方犹太人,针对埃塞俄比亚犹太人, |
| 476 | this apartheid regime that has been installed since the creation of the state of Israel | 自以色列建国以来建立的种族隔离制度 |
| 477 | in 1948. | 1948年参加. |
| 478 | And Israel has a function in the region to safeguard the flow of oil, | 以色列在该地区有保障石油流通的职能, |
| 479 | as cheap as it should be, and as easy as it should be. | 如其贱贱,亦如其易. |
| 480 | This superior power in the region | 该地区这个超级大国 |
| 481 | today has acted, and it has been acting, in the most aggressive power ever, like a cowboy in the | 今天已经行动了, 它一直在行动, 以有史以来最具攻击性的权力, 像牛仔在 |
| 482 | West. | 韦斯特. |
| 483 | Israel today and their leaders are talking about Greater Israel. | 以色列及其领导人今天正在谈论大以色列。 |
| 484 | What is Greater Israel? | 伟大的以色列是什么? |
| 485 | It is an Israel between the Nile and the Euphrates rivers, and so Greater Israel is the most | 尼罗河和幼发拉底河之间是以色列 所以大以色列是最大的 |
| 486 | important doctrine for the destabilization of the region. | 破坏该区域稳定的重要理论。 |
| 487 | Look, my dear friends, in 1967, | 听着,亲爱的朋友们,1967年 |
| 488 | Israel has occupied the West Bank, Jerusalem, Sinai, the Golan Heights, south of Lebanon, | 以色列占领了西岸、耶路撒冷、西奈、戈兰高地、黎巴嫩南部, |
| 489 | and Jordanian territories. | 和约旦领土。 |
| 490 | And then, in 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon, reached the capital of | 1982年,以色列入侵黎巴嫩,到达黎巴嫩首都 |
| 491 | Lebanon, Beirut, killed many innocent people, destroyed so many houses and properties, | 黎巴嫩贝鲁特杀害了许多无辜的人,摧毁了这么多房屋和财产, |
| 492 | and then recently, even though, my dear friend, Ahmad al-Shar'a, who replaced Bashar al-Assad, | 最近,尽管,我亲爱的朋友艾哈迈德·沙拉取代了巴沙尔·阿萨德, |
| 493 | sleeps in the same bed with the Americans and the Israelis, still the Israelis are encouraged | 和美国人和以色列人睡在同一张床上, |
| 494 | into the heart of Syria, occupying Sharm el-Sheikh and reach Al-Kanitra at a time | 占领沙姆沙伊赫,一次抵达卡尼特拉 |
| 495 | when Ahmad al-Shar'a is saying, I am ready to make peace with the Israelis. | 当艾哈迈德·沙拉说,我准备同以色列人讲和。 |
| 496 | Now, more than that, we all know that Israel has bombarded Iraqi installments, | 现在,不仅如此,我们都知道,以色列轰炸了伊拉克的分期货, |
| 497 | tried to destroy industrial plants in the heart of Baghdad. | 试图摧毁巴格达市中心的工厂 |
| 498 | We all know that Israel | 我们都知道以色列 |
| 499 | also has bombarded Iran and killed Ismail Hani, who was there visiting. | 还轰炸了伊朗,杀害了当时在场的伊斯梅尔·哈尼。 |
| 500 | We all know | 我们都知道 |
| 501 | that only a few months ago, Israel has bombarded Qatar in the heart of the capital of Qatar, | 就在几个月前,以色列轰炸了卡塔尔首都的中心, |
| 502 | and killing many people because simply Qatar was trying to mediate ceasefire in Gaza. | 并杀死许多人,因为仅仅因为卡塔尔试图调解加沙的停火。 |
| 503 | Also, | 还有, |
| 504 | it was Israel who assassinated its own prime minister, Ishak Rabin, because he wanted to | 正是以色列暗杀了以色列总理伊沙克·拉宾,因为他想 |
| 505 | make peace with the Palestinians. | 与巴勒斯坦人建立和平。 |
| 506 | The deep state in Israel never wanted any Israeli leader | 以色列的深层国家从未想要任何以色列领导人 |
| 507 | to really come to an agreement with the Palestinians to end occupation that has | 与巴勒斯坦人达成结束占领的协议 |
| 508 | occurred in the Palestinian territories since 1967. | 1967年以来在巴勒斯坦领土上发生的事件。 |
| 509 | Look at this. | 看看这个。 |
| 510 | We all know that also Israel | 我们都知道以色列 |
| 511 | encouraged into Jordan, and they tried to assassinate Khalid Mashal in the heart of the | 他们试图刺杀哈立德・马沙尔 |
| 512 | that Israel has launched wars, wars on the Palestinians in Gaza, 2002, 2008, 2009, 2012, | 2002年、2008年、2009年、2012年以色列对加沙巴勒斯坦人发动战争, |
| 513 | 2014. | 2014 (中文(简体) ). |
| 514 | Every single year, there is an act of aggression by the Israelis. | 每年都有以色列人的侵略行为。 |
| 515 | Leave Gaza aside. | 离开加沙。 |
| 516 | Look at the West Bank. | 看看西岸 |
| 517 | Today, Israel has planted 881,000 settlers | 今天,以色列安置了881 000名定居者。 |
| 518 | in the heart of the Palestinian territories, living in 351 Jewish settlements, destabilizing | 生活在351个犹太定居点,破坏巴勒斯坦 |
| 519 | the whole region, and eroding every possibility of peace based on two-state solution in line with | 在两国解决办法的基础上,按照《联合国宪章》的规定,消除一切和平的可能性。 |
| 520 | United Nations resolutions. | 联合国决议。 |
| 521 | Again, my dear friend, no, sir, Israel is committing | 再说一遍,亲爱的朋友,不,先生,以色列正致力于 |
| 522 | genocide in Gaza. | 加沙的种族灭绝。 |
| 523 | What do you call killing 100,000 people? | 什么叫杀十万人? |
| 524 | What do you call injuring | 你所谓的伤害 |
| 525 | 200,000 people? | 20万人吗? |
| 526 | What do you call the destruction of 451,000 houses and making 2.2 million | 摧毁45.1万间房子 造价220万 |
| 527 | Palestinians going around Gaza from north to south, from east to west, trying to force | 从北向南、从东向西绕加沙的巴勒斯坦人试图强迫 |
| 528 | Palestinians to be pushed out of Gaza, trying to transfer by force Palestinians thanks to Egypt | 由于埃及,巴勒斯坦人被赶出加沙,试图以武力转移巴勒斯坦人 |
| 529 | and thanks to our people who refused to leave their own territory. | 感谢我们拒绝离开自己领土的人民。 |
| 530 | And look at what has happened | 看看发生了什么 |
| 531 | also. | 还有 |
| 532 | Israel has pushed the region into arm race because of its aggression. | 以色列因其侵略而使该地区陷入军备竞赛。 |
| 533 | Israel is the only | 以色列是唯一一个 |
| 534 | country in the region that does possess nuclear weapons, and the Iranian attempt to have a nuclear | 该地区拥有核武器的国家和伊朗企图拥有核武器的国家 |
| 535 | weapon is a reaction in the same way that Iraq tried to do, in the same way that Libya tried to | 武器是伊拉克试图采取的反应,与利比亚试图采取的反应相同。 |
| 536 | So the question is, who initiated aggression and who is acting and who is reacting? | 因此,问题是,谁发动侵略,谁采取行动,谁作出反应? |
| 537 | And we know that in 1981, it was Israel who bombarded the Iraqi industrial installations. | 我们知道,1981年,是以色列轰炸了伊拉克的工业设施。 |
| 538 | Look at what happened also. | 看看发生了什么 |
| 539 | It was Israel who led assassinations of Arab scientists | 是以色列领导暗杀阿拉伯科学家 |
| 540 | who graduated from British universities because they think that they have a potential of threat. | 他们从英国大学毕业 因为他们认为自己有潜在的威胁。 |
| 541 | You cannot kill me if you think that I'm going to kill you. | 如果你认为我会杀了你 你不能杀我 |
| 542 | This is the logic of a jungle that we should not allow it to happen under any circumstances. | 这是丛林的逻辑,我们在任何情况下都不应允许这种情况发生。 |
| 543 | And then even on its ally, Israel was conducting espionage against its best ally, | 然后,即使它的盟友, 以色列正在从事间谍活动 针对它最好的盟友, |
| 544 | the United States of America. | 美利坚合众国 |
| 545 | Jonathan Ballard, you all remember this name, who was arrested | 乔纳森・巴拉德,你们都记得这个名字,谁被逮捕了 |
| 546 | by the Americans because he was spying for Israel. | 他为以色列做间谍 |
| 547 | So if Israel is spying on its best ally, | 如果以色列监视它最好的盟友, |
| 548 | the country that does provide Israel for $3.4 billion every year from American taxpayers, | 美国纳税人每年向以色列提供34亿美元的国家, |
| 549 | that is what aggression is about. | 这就是侵略的目的。 |
| 550 | And that is what destabilizing not only the region, | 这不仅破坏了该地区的稳定, |
| 551 | but a cause of destabilization for maybe the whole world. | 但却是世界不稳定的原因 |
| 552 | Also, my dear friends, | 还有,亲爱的朋友们, |
| 553 | Israel has imposed a formula of specialization on the region of what I call the four M's, | 以色列将我称之为 " 四M " 的专业化模式强加给该地区。 |
| 554 | minds, money, muscles, and market. | 思想、金钱、肌肉和市场 |
| 555 | The Israeli discrimination and superiority claim that they | 以色列的歧视和优越性声称: |
| 556 | are the M for minds, and the Arab Gulf countries are the M for money, and Syria, Lebanon, | 阿拉伯湾国家是金钱,叙利亚,黎巴嫩, |
| 557 | Jordan, Palestine, and Egypt are the M for muscles, the cheap labors, and the whole Middle East is | 约旦、巴勒斯坦和埃及是肌肉的M 廉价劳动力,整个中东 |
| 558 | their market. | 他们的市场。 |
| 559 | And nobody is allowed to graduate from any of these digits. | 没有人可以从这些数字中毕业。 |
| 560 | When Iraq tried to | 当伊拉克试图 |
| 561 | graduate, Iraq was destroyed. | 毕业后,伊拉克被摧毁。 |
| 562 | So therefore, when you look at Israeli policies in the region, | 因此,当你观察以色列在该地区的政策时, |
| 563 | we all understand what does superiority mean, and what does aggression mean, | 我们都明白优越意味着什么 侵略意味着什么 |
| 564 | and what does expansion mentality mean as well. | 扩张的心态也意味着什么。 |
| 565 | My dear friends, 800 United Nations resolutions | 亲爱的朋友们,800项联合国决议 |
| 566 | have been passed in favor of Palestine. | 已经通过了有利于巴勒斯坦的决议。 |
| 567 | Israel refused to implement one single United Nations | 以色列拒绝实施一个联合国 |
| 568 | resolution. | 决议。 |
| 569 | 800! | 八百块! |
| 570 | So Israel acts above the law, does not respect international law, does not | 因此,以色列的行为凌驾于法律之上,不尊重国际法,不 |
| 571 | respect United Nations resolutions, and also, we all know. | 我们都知道,我们尊重联合国各项决议。 |
| 572 | And here I conclude by saying the following. | 最后,我要指出以下几点。 |
| 573 | This aggressive state of Israel is military aggressive, a nuclearly armed, a settler colonial | 以色列的这种侵略性国家是军事侵略性、拥有核武的殖民国家。 |
| 574 | regime that is based on an apartheid regime against the Palestinian people. | 以针对巴勒斯坦人民的种族隔离制度为基础的政权。 |
| 575 | Brutal occupation, | 残酷的占领, |
| 576 | committing crimes and genocide, dragging the region into repeated conflicts. | 犯下罪行和种族灭绝,使该区域陷入反复的冲突。 |
| 577 | Israeli behavior | 以色列的行为 |
| 578 | have triggered major conflicts in the region, and look at it. | 在该地区引发了重大冲突。 |
| 579 | And the Palestinian cause and | 巴勒斯坦的事业和 |
| 580 | prolonged Israeli occupation and settler colonial regime are the most dangerous | 以色列的长期占领和定居者殖民政权是最危险的 |
| 581 | flashpoints with consistent potential to escalate in regional wars. | 在区域战争中具有不断升级潜力的热点。 |
| 582 | Israel is a bariah state and | 以色列是一个拜利亚国家, |
| 583 | should be stopped. | 应停止。 |
| 584 | Israel is a theocratic state that's now killing the Palestinians in the name | 以色列是一个神权国家,现在正在以这个名义杀害巴勒斯坦人。 |
| 585 | of God. | 这是上帝的旨意 |
| 586 | God will never allow that. | 上帝不会允许的 |
| 587 | God is supposed to be the ally of poor people and people who are | 上帝应该是穷人的盟友 |
| 588 | living under oppression, and God calls for freedom. | 生活在压迫之下,上帝呼吁自由。 |
| 589 | Israel is causing misery, genocide, | 以色列正在制造痛苦 种族灭绝 |
| 590 | expansion mentality, settler colonialism, creating buffer zone. | 扩张心态 定居者殖民主义 制造缓冲区 |
| 591 | Every time Israel creates a buffer | 每次以色列制造缓冲 |
| 592 | zone in south Lebanon, they want to push the Lebanese army to the north, in Jordan, in Egypt, | 他们想把黎巴嫩军队推向北部 约旦 埃及 |
| 593 | and everywhere. | 到处都是 |
| 594 | We should not allow this to happen. | 我们不应允许这种情况发生。 |
| 595 | The issue is not about a student debate | 问题不是学生辩论 |
| 596 | at the Oxford Union. | 在牛津大学 |
| 597 | The issue is about life of people in the region. | 问题在于该地区人民的生活。 |
| 598 | We all should say that | 我们都该说 |
| 599 | Israel is the cause of the destabilization of the region, and thank you. | 以色列是造成该地区不稳定的原因,谢谢。 |
| 600 | Thank you for your speech. | 谢谢你的演讲 |
| 601 | I now look to Mr. Hilal Noor to continue the case for side opposition. | 我现在期待希拉尔·努尔先生继续提出反对意见。 |
| 602 | Mr. President, I confess I hesitated before agreeing to debate this evening, | 主席先生,我承认我迟疑了 才同意今晚的辩论, |
| 603 | because doing so risks dignifying a proposition so disconnected from basic facts that it verges | 因为这样做有可能会 贬低一个命题 与基本事实如此脱节 |
| 604 | on the satirical. | 在讽刺。 |
| 605 | That Israel, of all states, poses a greater threat to regional stability | 所有国家中的以色列对区域稳定构成更大的威胁 |
| 606 | than the Islamic Republic of Iran. | 与伊朗伊斯兰共和国相比。 |
| 607 | But we now live in an age where people will believe | 但我们现在生活在人们会相信的时代 |
| 608 | almost anything. | 几乎任何东西。 |
| 609 | Nearly one in four people in this country aged 18 to 34 believe that the 7-7 terrorist | 18至34岁的人几乎每四人中就有一人认为7至7名恐怖分子 |
| 610 | attacks were, quote, probably a hoax. | 引用的话 袭击可能是个骗局 |
| 611 | And here in this Oxford Union, we saw that just three weeks | 在牛津大学,我们只看到三个礼拜 |
| 612 | ago, no less than 501 members believed it was right to vote in support of the incoming president | 至少有501名成员认为支持下届总统是正确的 |
| 613 | after he had publicly celebrated the killing of Charlie Kirk. | 在他公开庆祝查理柯克被杀之后 |
| 614 | And so I decided to attend and to | 所以我决定去参加 |
| 615 | lay out a few essential facts proving that tonight's proposition is not merely wrong, | 提出一些基本事实,证明今晚的提议不单单是错误的, |
| 616 | but the in version of reality. | 但现实的版本。 |
| 617 | Regional stability is measured by who starts wars, | 以谁发动战争来衡量区域稳定, |
| 618 | not by who stops them. | 不是由谁阻止他们。 |
| 619 | Israel does not arm terror proxies in five Arab countries, | 以色列不武装五个阿拉伯国家的恐怖代理人, |
| 620 | the Islamic regime in Iran does that. | 伊朗的伊斯兰政权这样做。 |
| 621 | And the entire Middle East knows this, and that is why | 整个中东都知道,这就是为什么 |
| 622 | Arab states quietly depend on Israel for their own survival. | 阿拉伯国家悄悄地依靠以色列生存。 |
| 623 | Fact number one, the moderate Sunni Arab | 事实一,温和的逊尼派阿拉伯人 |
| 624 | states are part of a strategic alliance with Israel beginning four decades ago. | 国家是40年前开始的与以色列的战略联盟的一部分。 |
| 625 | Egypt signed | 埃及签署 |
| 626 | a peace treaty with Israel in 1979. | 1979年与以色列签订和平条约。 |
| 627 | Jordan did so in 1994. | 约旦是1994年这样做的。 |
| 628 | The historic Abraham Accords in 2020 | 具有历史意义的2020年亚伯拉罕协定 |
| 629 | brought together the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Morocco, Sudan, signing peace and | 阿拉伯联合酋长国、巴林、摩洛哥、苏丹签署和平和 |
| 630 | normalization agreements with Israel. | 与以色列的正常化协定。 |
| 631 | The Accords recognize that the Arab and Jewish peoples | 《协定》承认阿拉伯和犹太人民 |
| 632 | are descendants of a common ancestor, Abraham, that both peoples are indigenous to the region, | 他们是共同祖先亚伯拉罕的后裔 亚伯拉罕是该地区的土著 |
| 633 | and they articulate a vision of advancing a culture of peace, security, and prosperity. | 它们阐明了促进和平、安全与繁荣文化的愿景。 |
| 634 | No, I am interrupted all the time at the United Nations by the worst regimes. | 不,我在联合国一直被最坏的政权打断。 |
| 635 | In Oxford, I shall | 在牛津,我会 |
| 636 | speak uninterrupted. | 说话不间断。 |
| 637 | Fact number two, Saudi Arabia, custodian of the two holy mosques, | 事实二 沙特阿拉伯 两座清真寺的守护者 |
| 638 | has also developed a significant rapprochement with Israel. | 还同以色列建立了重大的和解关系。 |
| 639 | Indeed, in the minutes that they | 确实,在他们的时间 |
| 640 | captured of the Hamas leadership meetings that were held days before their decision to invade | 在哈马斯领导人决定入侵前几天举行的会晤中被捕 |
| 641 | Israel and launch the war and massacre of October 7th, 2023, in the minutes of Hamas it was written, | 以色列并发动2023年10月7日的战争和屠杀 在哈马斯的会议记录中, |
| 642 | quote, there is no doubt that the Saudi Zionist normalization agreement is progressing | 毫无疑问,沙特犹太复国主义正常化协定正在取得进展。 |
| 643 | significantly, and so Hamas decided, unquote, an extraordinary action to try and torpedo it. | 因此,哈马斯决定,不言而喻,采取非同寻常的行动,试图将其炸掉。 |
| 644 | Fact, the regional alliance between Israel and the moderate Arab countries was resilient enough to | 事实上,以色列和温和的阿拉伯国家之间的区域联盟具有足够的复原力,足以 |
| 645 | survive the war of the past two years. | 在过去两年的战争中幸存下来 |
| 646 | Last year, neighboring Egypt and Jordan imported a record | 去年,邻国埃及和约旦进口了一张唱片 |
| 647 | amount of natural gas from Israel. | 以色列天然气量。 |
| 648 | Israel provides parched Jordan with 100 million cubic meters of | 以色列向约旦提供1亿立方米的干燥水。 |
| 649 | water every year. | 每年有水 |
| 650 | How is Israel a threat to regional stability? | 以色列如何威胁区域稳定? |
| 651 | The truth is the opposite. | 事实恰恰相反。 |
| 652 | One of the most powerful illustrations of this regional alliance came last year on April 13th, | 去年4月13日,这个区域联盟最有力的例子之一, |
| 653 | 2024, when the Islamic regime in Iran launched an unprecedented attack on the people of Israel with | 2024年,伊朗的伊斯兰政权用 |
| 654 | 170 drones, 30 cruise missiles, and more than 120 ballistic missiles. | 170架无人机,30枚巡航导弹,120多枚弹道导弹. |
| 655 | No. | 没有 |
| 656 | Those who helped shoot down | 那些帮助击落的人 |
| 657 | the incoming weapons included the air forces, not only of the US, the UK, and France, but Jordan, | 包括美国、英国和法国的空军 还有约旦的空军 |
| 658 | while Gulf states such as Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates contributed intelligence, | 沙特阿拉伯和阿拉伯联合酋长国等海湾国家提供了情报, |
| 659 | including radar tracking information. | 包括雷达跟踪信息。 |
| 660 | Now, this wasn't a one-off. | 这不是一次性的 |
| 661 | When Iran attacked Israel again | 当伊朗再次攻击以色列时 |
| 662 | in June 2025, Jordan shot down Iranian missiles and drones, crossing overhead Saudi Arabia, | 2025年6月,约旦击落伊朗导弹和无人机,飞越沙特阿拉伯上空, |
| 663 | according to reports, allowed Israel its airspace to do so as well. | 根据报告,以色列也允许其领空这样做。 |
| 664 | Now, the fact | 现在,事实 |
| 665 | that Sunni Arab states provided a combination of air force interceptions, radar, and intelligence | 逊尼派阿拉伯国家提供了空军拦截、雷达和情报的组合 |
| 666 | is a real world vote on tonight's motion. | 这是对今晚动议的真实投票 |
| 667 | They know, the Arab states know, that for their people, | 他们知道,阿拉伯国家知道, 对于他们的人民, |
| 668 | Israel is a partner in survival, and the Islamic regime in Iran is an existential threat. | 以色列是生存的伙伴,伊朗的伊斯兰政权是生存的威胁. |
| 669 | You don't | 你没有 |
| 670 | intercept missiles heading toward a threat to regional stability. | 拦截向区域稳定构成威胁的导弹。 |
| 671 | You intercept missiles from | 你拦截导弹从 |
| 672 | Iran. | 伊朗语。 |
| 673 | So, let us address the real driver of instability, the Islamic regime in Iran, | 因此,让我们谈谈不稳定的真正驱动因素,即伊朗的伊斯兰政权, |
| 674 | because revolutionary jihad is their raison d'etre. | 因为革命圣战是他们的理由 |
| 675 | Let us compare. | 让我们比较一下。 |
| 676 | Israel, at the very | 以色列,仅供参考。 |
| 677 | moment of its birth, on May 14, 1948, in its declaration of independence, reached out to | 在1948年5月14日宣布独立时, |
| 678 | its neighbors with a simple message, quote, we extend our hand to all neighboring states | 我们向所有邻国伸出手 |
| 679 | and their peoples in an offer of peace. | 以及他们的人民,以示和平。 |
| 680 | In Iran, with the Islamic regime, it was the exact opposite. | 在伊朗,随着伊斯兰政权,情况正好相反。 |
| 681 | One year after the anniversary of the Ayatollah revolution, the Ayatollah declared on February 11, | 阿亚图拉革命周年纪念一年后,阿亚图拉于2月11日宣布, |
| 682 | 1980, quote, we shall export our revolution to the whole world until the cry there is no god | 1980年,引用,我们将把我们的革命输出给全世界,直到没有上帝的呼喊 |
| 683 | but Allah resounds over the whole world. | 但真主使全世界都震荡。 |
| 684 | There will be struggle. | 会有斗争的 |
| 685 | And that is what they do in | 他们就是这么做的 |
| 686 | the region and beyond. | 区域内外。 |
| 687 | Iran, through its Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, the IRGC, exports | 伊朗通过其伊斯兰革命卫队伊斯兰革命卫队出口 |
| 688 | terrorism and war. | 恐怖主义与战争。 |
| 689 | And wherever they go in the region, they bring ruin to societies. | 无论他们到哪里,都会给社会带来毁灭。 |
| 690 | Let's look. | 让我们看看。 |
| 691 | No. | 没有 |
| 692 | Let's look at Yemen. | 让我们看看也门。 |
| 693 | The Iranian regime destabilizes Yemen. | 伊朗政权破坏也门的稳定。 |
| 694 | They armed and trained | 他们武装和训练 |
| 695 | the Houthis, a group whose slogan is death to America, death to Israel, damn the Jews. | 他的口号是死在美国,死在以色列, |
| 696 | That | 那个 |
| 697 | is what they cry out every single day, and Iran is their sponsor. | 他们每天都在呼喊,伊朗是他们的支持者。 |
| 698 | The Houthis destroyed Yemen. | 胡塞人摧毁了也门。 |
| 699 | They collapsed state institutions, crippled hospitals and basic services, | 他们摧毁了国家机构、残废的医院和基本服务, |
| 700 | diverted aid, deepening famine and economic freefall. | 援助被挪用、饥荒加剧和经济自由落地。 |
| 701 | Their own people are starving, | 他们自己的人民正在挨饿, |
| 702 | hundreds of thousands, yet unprovoked from a thousand miles away with the very few resources | 几十万人,但无端 从千里之外 与极少的资源 |
| 703 | the country has, the Houthis spend them to launch over 400 missile and drone attacks | 呼和浩特人用他们发动了400多枚导弹和无人机攻击 |
| 704 | at Israeli cities, all of it sponsored by Iran. | 在以色列城市,所有这一切都是由伊朗赞助的。 |
| 705 | This is regional stability. | 这就是区域稳定。 |
| 706 | Now let's look at | 现在让我们看看 |
| 707 | Lebanon. | 黎巴嫩。 |
| 708 | Iran's proxy Hezbollah hollowed out every institution in the country, turning Lebanon | 伊朗的代理真主党 将国内的每个机构 都抛开 使黎巴嫩变成废墟 |
| 709 | into a failed state. | 进入失败状态。 |
| 710 | They built an Iranian-funded parallel military stronger than the Lebanese | 他们建造了一支由伊朗人资助的平行军队 比黎巴嫩人更强大 |
| 711 | army. | 军队 |
| 712 | They seized control of border crossings and ports, converted entire regions into fortified | 他们夺取了对过境点和港口的管制,将整个地区变成防御工事 |
| 713 | enclaves beyond the reach of the state. | 飞地超出国家范围。 |
| 714 | Iran's Hezbollah assassinated critics, toppled Lebanese | 伊朗真主党暗杀批评者, |
| 715 | governments that tried to assert sovereignty, dragged Lebanon into wars that its people | 试图维护主权的政府将黎巴嫩拖入其人民的战争中 |
| 716 | never chose. | 从来没有选择。 |
| 717 | Hezbollah's capture of the economy, fuel smuggling, customs evasion, protection | 真主党夺取经济 走私燃料 逃关 保护 |
| 718 | rackets, bled the treasury dry and helped trigger Lebanon's financial collapse. | 导致黎巴嫩金融崩溃。 |
| 719 | And by launching | 通过发射 |
| 720 | attacks on Israel from civilian neighborhoods, Hezbollah, backed by Iran, ensured that Lebanon | 真主党在伊朗的支持下,确保黎巴嫩 |
| 721 | would live permanently on the brink of war, scaring off investment, tourism, and any hope | 将永远生活在战争的边缘 吓跑投资、旅游和任何希望 |
| 722 | of recovery. | 复原。 |
| 723 | In short, Hezbollah replaced the Lebanese state with an Iranian proxy empire, | 简而言之,真主党用一个伊朗代理帝国取代了黎巴嫩国家, |
| 724 | and the result was national ruin. | 结果是全国的毁灭。 |
| 725 | Let's look at Syria. | 让我们看看叙利亚。 |
| 726 | When Syrians protested peacefully to | 当叙利亚人和平抗议 |
| 727 | rise up against Assad regime in 2011, the regime was on the brink of collapse, but the Iranian | 2011年反抗阿萨德政权, |
| 728 | regime suddenly intervened to save its client. | 政权为了拯救客户突然介入。 |
| 729 | They deployed IRGC commanders, imported thousands | 他们部署了伊斯兰革命卫队指挥官,进口数千人 |
| 730 | of Shiite militia from Iraq, Afghanistan, and Lebanon, overseeing sectarian cleansing in key | 来自伊拉克、阿富汗和黎巴嫩的什叶派民兵, |
| 731 | the coast. | 岸边 |
| 732 | Tehran funded and directed a campaign of mass atrocities. | 德黑兰资助并指挥了大规模暴行运动。 |
| 733 | You can see the mass graves | 你可以看到乱葬坑 |
| 734 | that have been revealed on TV in Syria. | 在叙利亚的电视上披露的 |
| 735 | From starvation sieges to chemical weapons attacks, | 从饥饿包围到化学武器攻击 |
| 736 | killing hundreds of thousands of people. | 杀害数十万人。 |
| 737 | Half a million people are estimated to have been killed | 估计有50万人被杀 |
| 738 | by the Syrian regime promoted by Iran. | 伊朗推动的叙利亚政权。 |
| 739 | They also displaced millions, meaning half the population. | 他们还使数百万人流离失所,即人口的一半。 |
| 740 | Iran entrenched militias across Syria, built missile factories on their soil, used the country | 伊朗在叙利亚各地建立民兵组织,在其领土上建造导弹工厂,利用国家 |
| 741 | as a forward base to attack Israel, and threatened Jordan. | 作为进攻以色列的前沿基地 威胁着约旦 |
| 742 | Iran did not stabilize Syria. | 伊朗没有稳定叙利亚。 |
| 743 | It shattered | 粉碎了 粉碎了 粉碎了 |
| 744 | it, and the moment that Hezbollah, Iran's proxy, fell, the people rose up to challenge them. | 伊朗的代理人真主党一败涂地, |
| 745 | Now, | 现在, |
| 746 | Iran has done the same to Iraq. | 伊朗对伊拉克也这样做。 |
| 747 | They destroyed Iraq. | 他们摧毁了伊拉克。 |
| 748 | They did the same to Gaza. | 他们对加沙也这样做。 |
| 749 | They transformed | 他们变了 |
| 750 | Hamas. | 哈马斯。 |
| 751 | No, they transformed Hamas into a mini army. | 不,他们把哈马斯变成迷你军队。 |
| 752 | Tehran funded rockets, tunnels, drone programs, | 德黑兰资助了火箭、隧道、无人机计划 |
| 753 | while Hamas diverted aid from civilians to weapons. | 哈马斯将援助从平民转移到武器。 |
| 754 | Instead of building a future for Palestinians, | 而不是为巴勒斯坦人建立一个未来, |
| 755 | Hamas, with Iranian training, built an underground fortress beneath homes, | 哈马斯在伊朗训练下,在家园下面建造了一个地下堡垒, |
| 756 | hospitals, and schools. | 医院和学校。 |
| 757 | The result was October 7th. | 结果是10月7日. |
| 758 | No, no, no. | 不,不,没有。 |
| 759 | The deadliest massacre of Jews | 对犹太人最致命的屠杀 |
| 760 | since the Holocaust. | 自大屠杀以来 |
| 761 | Gaza, you know, is a beautiful beachfront property. | 加沙是一个美丽的海滩。 |
| 762 | It could have been prosperous. | 本来可以很繁荣 |
| 763 | You've never been there. | 你从来没有去过那里。 |
| 764 | I've been there. | 我去过那里。 |
| 765 | The sand, the beaches of Gaza are beautiful and can be a | 沙子,加沙的海滩很美,可以是一个 |
| 766 | beautiful property, but Iran, with Hamas, made it a military outpost for its war on Israel, | 但伊朗和哈马斯 将它作为以色列战争的军事据点 |
| 767 | condemning Palestinians to endless conflict. | 谴责巴勒斯坦人进行无休止的冲突。 |
| 768 | Now, now. | 现在,现在。 |
| 769 | Please, no. | 请不要。 |
| 770 | Please, we're here to have a civil | 拜托,我们是来找平民的 |
| 771 | debate. | 辩论。 |
| 772 | Please do not heckle. | 请不要扭动。 |
| 773 | Please continue the case. | 请继续办 |
| 774 | Let us finally look beyond the region. | 让我们最终超越该区域。 |
| 775 | Iran hires hitmen to assassinate dissidents around the globe. | 伊朗聘请杀手在全球暗杀持不同政见者. |
| 776 | Just a few days ago, I was | 几天前,我刚刚 |
| 777 | with my friend Masi Alinajad, the great Iranian women's rights activist who prompted the women | 与我的朋友 Masi Alinajad,伟大的伊朗女权活动家 推动这些女性 |
| 778 | life freedom movement. | 生命自由运动。 |
| 779 | They tried to kill her. | 他们试图杀死她。 |
| 780 | She lives in New York now, exiled dissident. | 她现在住在纽约 流放异见者 |
| 781 | They tried to kill her three times, sent hitmen to her house in Brooklyn. | 他们三次试图杀死她,派杀手去布鲁克林她家. |
| 782 | I was at the trial | 我当时在庭审中 |
| 783 | in March. | 3月份,我们开始 |
| 784 | Three teams came to try and kidnap her and kill her. | 三个小队来试图绑架她并杀死她. |
| 785 | They've sent dissidents | 他们派了持不同政见者 |
| 786 | here in the UK to try, they sent hitmen to try and kill the journalist Puri Azarati. | 在英国,他们派杀手 试图杀死记者Puri Azarati。 |
| 787 | Now, the dissidents have been attacked across Europe, and I would be remiss not to mention | 现在,持不同政见者在欧洲各地遭到攻击,我不得不说 |
| 788 | that an Oxford human rights lawyer here, the founding head of the Oxford Public Interest | 牛津人权律师,牛津公益事业的创始人 |
| 789 | Kaveh Musavi在牛津的节目, | |
| 790 | January 30th, 2023, brought to the UK police with another human rights lawyer, asserting | 2023年1月30日,与另一位人权律师一起被带往英国警方,声称 |
| 791 | that Mr. Moha Jerani of Iran, who was a senior regime official for 20 years, including between | 伊朗的Moha Jerani先生,曾担任20年的高级政权官员,包括 |
| 792 | 1988 and 1997, during a period, I quote from The Guardian, during a period when hundreds of | 1988年和1997年,我引述《卫报》的一段时期,当时数百人 |
| 793 | assassinations of dissidents in Europe were attempted and committed on the orders of the | 欧洲的持不同政见者被暗杀未遂,是奉欧洲联盟的命令进行的。 |
| 794 | Iranian regime, and he was a senior regime official, the human rights lawyers from Oxford | 伊朗政权,他是一个高级政权官员,来自牛津的人权律师 |
| 795 | also claim that in Mr. Moha Jerani's 1989 book, A Critique of the Satanic Versus Conspiracy, | 还声称在Moha Jerani先生1989年的著作《撒旦凡尔苏斯阴谋论》中, |
| 796 | where he endorses and justifies the fatwa issued by Ayatollah Khomeini in 1999 against the famed | 他赞同并证明1999年霍梅尼阿亚图拉针对名人发布的法特瓦案是合理的。 |
| 797 | novelist Salman Rushdie, who was stabbed 15 times in 2022 as a result, presumably, of this fatwa. | 小说家萨勒曼·拉什迪(Salman Rushdie),他在2022年被刺了15次,大概是因为这个法特瓦. |
| 798 | In the book, Mr. Moha Jerani writes in his book that Rushdie is, quote, an absolute apostate, | 在书中,莫哈·杰拉尼先生在他的书中写道,拉什迪是一个绝对的叛教者, |
| 799 | and the punishment of an apostate is execution. | 对叛教者的惩罚是处决。 |
| 800 | So, Mr. Moha Jerani, tonight, you say you stand | 那么 莫哈·杰拉尼先生 今晚 你说你站着 |
| 801 | for regional stability, but you have once blessed the idea that an author, a citizen of this country, | 但你们曾经祝福一个作家 这个国家的公民 |
| 802 | should be killed for writing a book. | 应该因为写书而被杀 |
| 803 | So, please tell this house, do you still believe that writers | 所以,请告诉这房子, 你还相信作家 |
| 804 | deserve death, or will you finally retract and renounce your support for that fatwa? | 或者你最终会收回 并放弃你对法特瓦的支持吗? |
| 805 | Mr. President, Iran not only sends hitmen around the world to assassinate dissidents and journalists, | 主席先生,伊朗不仅派遣杀手在世界各地暗杀持不同政见者和记者, |
| 806 | but they beat, blind torture, and kill women who protest. | 但他们殴打、施以盲目的折磨、杀害抗议的妇女。 |
| 807 | In Israel, it's a national pastime to | 在以色列,这是国家消遣 |
| 808 | lambaste the government. | 羊羔政府。 |
| 809 | In Tel Aviv, on Saturday evening, protests have often drawn tens of thousands | 在特拉维夫,星期六晚上,抗议活动经常吸引数万人。 |
| 810 | and even hundreds of thousands of demonstrators. | 乃至数十万示威者. |
| 811 | In Iran, during the women's life freedom protests | 在伊朗,在女性自由抗议期间 |
| 812 | in 2022, the regime arrested 20,000 people across 130 cities, at least 551 Iranians, | 2022年,该政权逮捕了130个城市的20,000人,至少551名伊朗人, |
| 813 | including dozens of children, were killed for protesting. | 包括数十名儿童,因抗议而被杀害。 |
| 814 | Is this stability? | 这是稳定吗? |
| 815 | To conclude, | 最后, |
| 816 | in the final analysis, Mr. President, the greatest threat to regional stability is a regime | 主席先生,归根结底,对区域稳定的最大威胁是政权 |
| 817 | that murders its own people, hunts its critics across Europe and America, arms terror proxies, | 那些谋杀自己人的人, 猎杀整个欧美的批评者, 武器恐怖的代理人, |
| 818 | and exports terrorism on four continents. | 并在四大洲输出恐怖主义。 |
| 819 | The Islamic regime in Iran has killed hundreds of | 伊朗伊斯兰政权杀害了数百人 |
| 820 | thousands in Syria, shattered Yemen through the Houthis, bankrupted Lebanon through Hezbollah, | 数千人在叙利亚,通过胡塞河粉碎也门, 通过真主党使黎巴嫩破产, |
| 821 | hijacked Iraq through militias, and turned Gaza into a launching pad for the worst massacre of | 通过民兵劫持伊拉克,将加沙变成最严重的大屠杀的发射台。 |
| 822 | Jews since the Holocaust. | 大屠杀以来的犹太人. |
| 823 | At home, it shoots women in the streets, blinds teenagers, tortures | 在家里,它拍女人在街上, 盲人青少年,酷刑 |
| 824 | dissidents, and executes protesters. | 并处决抗议者。 |
| 825 | It sends assassins to murder innocent people in Brooklyn, | 它派刺客去谋杀布鲁克林的无辜者 |
| 826 | London, Buenos Aires. | 伦敦,布宜诺斯艾利斯。 |
| 827 | This is not a government seeking stability. | 这不是一个寻求稳定的政府。 |
| 828 | It is a revolutionary engine | 这是革命的引擎 |
| 829 | of hate, terror, and chaos. | 仇恨、恐怖和混乱 |
| 830 | Israel, by contrast, is the firewall that Arab regimes understand | 相反,以色列是阿拉伯政权理解的防火墙。 |
| 831 | prevents Iran's imperial project from engulfing the region. | 阻止伊朗帝国主义计划席卷该地区. |
| 832 | To claim Israel is the greater threat | 宣称以色列是最大的威胁 |
| 833 | to stability is not merely wrong, but it is an inversion of reality itself. | 对稳定来说,这不仅是错误的,而且是对现实本身的颠倒。 |
| 834 | I urge you to vote | 我敦促你们投票 |
| 835 | for the opposition. | 为反对派。 |
| 836 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 837 | I urge everyone, we are here to debate ideas, not attack each | 我敦促大家,我们是来辩论想法的,不是攻击每一个 |
| 838 | other personally. | 其他个人。 |
| 839 | Please, let's focus on the motion and have good civil debate. | 请大家集中考虑动议,好好进行民间辩论. |
| 840 | Please, | 请 |
| 841 | Mr. Mahajrani, I welcome you to conclude the case beside proposition. | 马哈亚拉尼先生,我欢迎你结束这个案子。 |
| 842 | Thank you, Mr. President. | 谢谢你,总统先生。 |
| 843 | Good evening, everybody. | 晚上好,大家好,谢谢 |
| 844 | In the name of God, the most gracious, the most wise. | 以神为名,最仁义,最智. |
| 845 | I'm very pleased | 我很高兴 |
| 846 | and honored to be here at the Oxford Union. | 很荣幸来到牛津大学 |
| 847 | Let me begin with a short story. | 让我先讲一个简短的故事。 |
| 848 | A man who looked a | 一个看起来像 |
| 849 | bit like real Donald Trump, not really Donald Trump, went to an Iranian restaurant in Manhattan. | 有点像真正的唐纳德·特朗普, 不是真的唐纳德·特朗普, 去了伊朗餐馆 在曼哈顿。 |
| 850 | As soon as he sat down, he shouted, it's very hot in here. | 他一坐下就大喊大叫 这里很热 |
| 851 | Turn on the air conditioning. | 打开空调 |
| 852 | The waiter obeyed. | 侍者听从. |
| 853 | Five minutes later, he shouted, it's very cold. | 5分钟后,他大喊大叫,非常冷. |
| 854 | Turn off the air conditioning. | 关掉空调 |
| 855 | They did. | 没错 |
| 856 | This happened three times. | 这种事发生了三次 |
| 857 | Throughout it all, the waiter remained calm and smiling. | 在整个过程中,服务员保持冷静和微笑. |
| 858 | Someone, maybe Mamdani's real uncle, asked the waiter, what is the secret of your | 有人,也许玛姆达尼的叔叔 问服务员,你的秘密是什么? |
| 859 | calmness in the face of this customer's shouting? | 面对这个顾客大喊大叫 冷静? |
| 860 | And the temperature here seems | 这里的温度似乎 |
| 861 | perfectly normal and stable anyway. | 完全正常和稳定。 |
| 862 | The waiter replied, actually, we don't have any air | 服务员回答,其实我们没有空气 |
| 863 | conditioning in this restaurant. | 这餐厅的空调。 |
| 864 | The heat and cold are all in the customer's mind. | 热寒皆是客心. |
| 865 | Their peace and war are based on their imaginary and fantasy. | 他们的和平与战争是基于他们的想象和幻想。 |
| 866 | There are many examples of wars, including against other countries, | 有许多战争的例子,包括针对其他国家的战争, |
| 867 | based on illusion and false imagination. | 基于幻觉和虚幻的想象 |
| 868 | In 1812, Napoleon marched on Russia with an army of | 1812年,拿破仑用一支 |
| 869 | 600,000. | 六十万 600,000. |
| 870 | He captured Moscow, but was eventually forced to retreat. | 他攻占了莫斯科,但最终被迫撤退. |
| 871 | Alexander the First did not surrender. | 亚历山大一世没有投降. |
| 872 | Almost half a million of Napoleon's soldiers | 近五十万拿破仑的士兵 |
| 873 | were killed, captured, or went missing. | 被杀、被俘或失踪。 |
| 874 | Leo Tolstoy, in the final chapter of the | 里欧·托尔斯泰,最后一章 |
| 875 | Third Book of War and Peace, writes that the manuals on how to care for horses in Napoleon's army | 《战争与和平第三本书》写道, 拿破仑军队中如何照顾马匹的手册 |
| 876 | filled 30 thick volumes, explaining how to groom them and even what kinds of sweets | 填满了30个厚厚的卷子, 解释如何培养它们, 甚至是什么样的甜品 |
| 877 | to feed them. | 供养他们。 |
| 878 | But they had never imagined, and therefore never written, what to do when hunger | 但是他们从未想过,因此也从未写过 饥饿时该怎么办 |
| 879 | became so severe that they would be forced to slaughter their own exhausted starving horses | 变得如此严重,以至于他们被迫屠杀自己疲惫不堪的饿马 |
| 880 | that could no longer walk. | 已经走不动了 |
| 881 | A second example is Iraq's war against Iran. | 第二个例子是伊拉克对伊朗的战争。 |
| 882 | For the first time | 这是第一次 |
| 883 | in modern history, after the Second World War, NATO and the Warsaw Pact effectively stood | 在现代历史中,第二次世界大战后,北约和华沙条约有效存在 |
| 884 | on the same side. | 同一边. |
| 885 | The United States, the Soviet Union, and most of the European countries supported | 美国、苏联和大多数欧洲国家支持 |
| 886 | They assumed that Iran would submit | 他们认为伊朗将提交 |
| 887 | and eventually disintegrate. | 并最终消散. |
| 888 | Tony Blair states this quite explicitly in his book, | 托尼·布莱尔在他的书中非常明确地指出, |
| 889 | A Journey, describing it as a tactical move | 一个旅程,形容它是一个战术动作 |
| 890 | that turn into a strategic mistake. | 这变成了一个战略错误。 |
| 891 | It's very, very important quote. | 这是非常,非常重要的引文。 |
| 892 | On page 388, he writes, in the 1980s, | 在388页,他写道,在1980年代, |
| 893 | we, means USA and UK and others, had arms sat down. | 我们,是指美国 英国 和其他人,有武器坐下。 |
| 894 | We had the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, | 我们在阿富汗有圣战者组织 |
| 895 | so as to thwart Iran in one case | 在一个案件中挫败伊朗 |
| 896 | and the Soviet Union in the other. | 和苏联在另一个国家。 |
| 897 | It was a tactical move, but a strategic mistake. | 这是一个战术动作,但战略错误。 |
| 898 | And on page 435, he says, | 在435页,他说, |
| 899 | I was doing what I thought was right, | 我做了我认为对的事 |
| 900 | but by God, I wished I wasn't doing that. | 但上帝,我希望我没有这样做。 |
| 901 | What was the price of Bush and Blair fantasies? | 布什和布莱尔幻想的代价是什么? |
| 902 | One million Iranians and Iraqis were killed during the war. | 100万伊朗人和伊拉克人在战争中丧生。 |
| 903 | One of them was my brother. | 其中一个是我哥哥 |
| 904 | A third example, in the fantasy of the United States, | 第三个例子是在美国的幻想中 |
| 905 | American politicians, and even Bernard Lewis, | 美国政治家,甚至伯纳德·刘易斯 |
| 906 | as advisor to Dick Cheney, | 作为迪克·切尼的顾问 |
| 907 | and a driving advocate of attacking Iran | 以及攻击伊朗的鼓动者 |
| 908 | after the invasion of Iraq in 2003. | 在2003年入侵伊拉克之后。 |
| 909 | John Bolton, who has twice been a guest | 约翰·博尔顿,他两次是客人 |
| 910 | of the Oxford Union, and has spoken at length about Iran | 并长篇大论伊朗 |
| 911 | and the fall of the Islamic Republic, | 和伊斯兰共和国的沦陷, |
| 912 | declared in September 2019, | 于2019年9月宣布, |
| 913 | at the gathering of Mujahideen, | 在圣战者的集会上, |
| 914 | that before the end of the year, | 在年底之前, |
| 915 | we will celebrate victory in Tehran. | 我们将在德黑兰庆祝胜利。 |
| 916 | In other words, they would march into Tehran | 换句话说,他们会进军德黑兰 |
| 917 | in less than four months. | 不到四个月。 |
| 918 | Now, more than six years have passed since Bolton's promise. | 现在,博尔顿的承诺已经过去了六年多。 |
| 919 | And instead of going to Tehran, | 而不是去德黑兰, |
| 920 | next week, he is scheduled to appear | 下星期,他定会出庭 |
| 921 | in court in the United States. | 在美国的法院。 |
| 922 | These fantasies resulted in the 12-day war | 这些幻想导致了12天的战争 |
| 923 | waged by Israel and the United States, | 以色列和美国的侵略, |
| 924 | of course, with NATO's cooperation against Iran. | 当然,与北约合作打击伊朗。 |
| 925 | Yet the Islamic Republic still stands. | 然而,伊斯兰共和国仍然存在。 |
| 926 | The land of Iran and the Iranian nation | 伊朗和伊朗民族的土地 |
| 927 | have not been divided. | 未分割。 |
| 928 | Reality is different from what was in the minds | 现实不同于脑海 |
| 929 | of the Trump and Netanyahu, | 川普和内塔尼亚胡, |
| 930 | like the hot weather and cold weather, | 像炎热的天气和寒冷的天气, |
| 931 | and from what is still in their minds. | 以及他们心中仍然在想的东西。 |
| 932 | We never shall flak, we never shall fall, | 我们从不摔倒,从不摔倒, |
| 933 | we never shall surrender, as even if. | 我们永远不会投降,就像即使。 |
| 934 | Imagination and reality, | 想象与现实, |
| 935 | why have these fantasies been so far from reality, | 为什么这些幻想 远离现实, |
| 936 | and why do they remain so? | 为什么它们仍然如此? |
| 937 | Because they do not understand Iran, the country, | 因为他们不了解伊朗,这个国家, |
| 938 | the people, or the revolution. | 人民,或革命。 |
| 939 | If the United States and its allies | 如果美国及其盟友 |
| 940 | had truly understood the people of Afghanistan | 真正理解阿富汗人民 |
| 941 | or the people of Iraq, | 或伊拉克人民, |
| 942 | we would not have witnessed such outcomes. | 我们不会看到这种结果。 |
| 943 | The very outcomes Tony Blair later | 托尼·布莱尔后来的结果 |
| 944 | called the strategic mistake. | 所谓的战略错误。 |
| 945 | The Baker-Hamilton report, | 贝克-哈米尔顿的报告, |
| 946 | prepared by a bipartisan study group | 由两党研究小组编写 |
| 947 | after the occupation of Iraq | 伊拉克被占领后 |
| 948 | under the supervision of former Secretary of State, | 在前国务卿的监督下, |
| 949 | James Baker, and Congressman Lee Hamilton, | 詹姆斯・贝克和国会议员李・汉密尔顿, |
| 950 | clearly shows that the United States and its allies | 明确显示美国及其盟国 |
| 951 | invaded the country they did not understand, | 入侵他们不理解的国家, |
| 952 | and understanding Iran is even more different | 和理解伊朗 更加不同 |
| 953 | than understanding Afghanistan or Iraq. | 而不是理解阿富汗或伊拉克。 |
| 954 | In my view, the assessment of Sir Dennis Wright, | 我认为,丹尼斯·赖特爵士的评估, |
| 955 | the British ambassador to Iran in the 1970s, | 1970年代英国驻伊朗大使, |
| 956 | deserve serious attention. | 值得认真关注。 |
| 957 | 他的评估由Dorgold叙述 | |
| 958 | former Israeli ambassador to the United Nations, | 前以色列驻联合国大使, |
| 959 | and to the UK, | 以及联合王国, |
| 960 | who in 2009 published a book | 2009年他出版了一本书 |
| 961 | entitled The Rise of Nuclear Iran, | 题为 " 核伊朗的崛起, |
| 962 | Have Tehran Defies the West. | 让德黑兰去西部 |
| 963 | On page 185, he writes, | 他写道: |
| 964 | the Iranian are a people who say the opposite | 伊朗是一个说相反的民族 |
| 965 | of what they think and do the opposite what they say. | 他们的思维和言语是相反的。 |
| 966 | Dennis Wright, after eight years of living in Iran | 丹尼斯·赖特,在伊朗生活了八年 |
| 967 | and learned this lesson very well, | 并很好地吸取了这一教训, |
| 968 | he was so fluent in Persian, | 他在波斯语流利, |
| 969 | 当时,伊朗前国王穆罕默德·帕拉维(Mohammad Pahlavi), | |
| 970 | had gone to the Bahamas, | 去了巴哈马, |
| 971 | Dennis Wright was sent by the British government | 丹尼斯·赖特是英国政府派来的 |
| 972 | to meet him, but in a completely unrecognizable disguise, | 与他见面, 但在一个完全无法辨认的伪装, |
| 973 | looking like a Hercule Poirot character | 看起来像赫尔库莱·波罗特的人物 |
| 974 | with a sharp fake mustache, a goatee, | 带着尖锐的假胡子 山羊皮 |
| 975 | a fedora hat, and a silver steep cane. | 一只菲多拉帽和一只银尖的拐杖 |
| 976 | Farah Diba mentioned this meeting in her book. | 法拉·迪巴在她的书中提到这个会议. |
| 977 | In my view, Iran has four key characteristics | 我认为伊朗有四个关键特征 |
| 978 | that the United States and the West | 美国和西方 |
| 979 | have failed to properly understood. | 未能正确理解。 |
| 980 | One, a deep history of civilization building | 一,文明建设的深刻历史 |
| 981 | and cultural creation. | 文化创造。 |
| 982 | 第二,按照Shahnameh的叙述 | |
| 983 | begins with a mythical era. | 从神话时代开始 |
| 984 | Three, the experience of the Islamic Revolution. | 三,伊斯兰革命的经验. |
| 985 | Four, the experience of the Eight Year War | 四,八年战争的经验. |
| 986 | in which Iraq backed by the Warsaw Pact | 伊拉克在《华沙公约》的支持下 |
| 987 | and NATO fought against Iran. | 和北约对抗伊朗 |
| 988 | Iran is not like the elephant in the dark room | 伊朗不像暗室的大象 |
| 989 | of Rome's story. | 罗马的故事。 |
| 990 | It's possible to get to know this country, | 可以了解这个国家 |
| 991 | its people, its history, its language, its culture, | 其人民,历史,语言,文化, |
| 992 | and its literature, its resistance, its resilience. | 和它的文学,它的抵抗,它的韧性。 |
| 993 | Why was the Pahlavi regime in Iran | 伊朗为什么是帕哈维政权? |
| 994 | so popular with the United States and the West? | 这么受美国和西方欢迎? |
| 995 | With the coup of 1943, planned by the U.S. and UK, | 随着1943年由美国和英国策划的政变, |
| 996 | the national and lawful government of Dr. Mossadegh | Mossadegh博士的国家和合法政府 |
| 997 | was overthrown. | 被推翻。 |
| 998 | After the coup, Muhammad Azar Shah became more obedient | 政变之后,穆罕默德·阿扎尔·沙阿变得更加服从 |
| 999 | to the United States and also to Britain. | 去美国 也去英国 |
| 1000 | On 31 December 1977, Jimmy Carter described Iran | 1977年12月31日,吉米·卡特描述了伊朗. |
| 1001 | when he was in Tehran as an island of stability | 当他在德黑兰时 是一个稳定的岛屿 |
| 1002 | in one of the more troubled areas of the world. | 在一个更麻烦的地方 |
| 1003 | This statement is the clearest sign | 这个声明是最清楚的标志 |
| 1004 | that American did not truly understood Iran. | 美国并不真正了解伊朗。 |
| 1005 | Only a few months later, the same Carter | 几个月后,同一个卡特 |
| 1006 | sent General Robert Heiser to Iran | 派罗伯特·海瑟将军去伊朗 |
| 1007 | in order to plan a military coup | 为了策划军事政变 |
| 1008 | to prevent the victory of the revolution. | 防止革命的胜利。 |
| 1009 | But the strange point is what Robert Heiser himself | 但奇怪的是罗伯特·海瑟本人 |
| 1010 | writes in his book, Mission to Tehran. | 在他的著作《德黑兰传教书》中写道。 |
| 1011 | The Shah had told the top commanders | 沙阿告诉了最高指挥官 |
| 1012 | of the three armed forces and the chief of staff | 和参谋长 |
| 1013 | of the army to obey Heiser's orders. | 军队服从海瑟的命令 |
| 1014 | Quote, obey him, trust him. | 引文,服从他,信任他. |
| 1015 | He is your general because Iran is not dangerous | 他是你的将军 因为伊朗并不危险 |
| 1016 | by this order. | 依据此命令。 |
| 1017 | When the Shah was eventually forced | 当沙阿最终被迫 |
| 1018 | to leave Iran at America's suggestion, | 根据美国的建议离开伊朗, |
| 1019 | he complained about this treatment | 他抱怨这种待遇 |
| 1020 | in his book, Answer to History, | 在他的"历史的答案"一书中 |
| 1021 | asking why did you treat me this way? | 问为什么你这样对我? |
| 1022 | I did everything you asked. | 你要求的我都照办了 |
| 1023 | Eternal interest, Lord Palmerston | 帕默斯顿勋爵,永恒的兴趣 |
| 1024 | and later Winston Churchill, | 后来温斯顿・丘吉尔, |
| 1025 | famously remarked that we have no eternal allies | 有名的说 我们没有永恒的盟友 |
| 1026 | and we have no perpetual enemies. | 我们没有永远的敌人。 |
| 1027 | Our interests are eternal and perpetual | 我们的利益是永恒和永恒的 |
| 1028 | and those interests, it is our duty to follow | 以及这些利益,我们有义务遵循 |
| 1029 | the United States and Europe, | 美国和欧洲, |
| 1030 | who as Edward Said describes, | 正如爱德华·赛义德所描述的那样, |
| 1031 | see themselves as the center of the world | 将自己视为世界的中心 |
| 1032 | and place other nations and countries to their margins. | 并让其他国家和国家处于其边缘。 |
| 1033 | West and the rest. | 西方及余众生. |
| 1034 | West with capital W, rest with a small r. | 西与首都W,休息与小r. |
| 1035 | They decide which country and at what moment | 他们决定哪个国家和何时 |
| 1036 | is dangerous or not. | 危险与否。 |
| 1037 | The lawful prime minister of Iran, Dr. Mossadegh, | 伊朗合法总理摩萨迪格博士, |
| 1038 | is deemed dangerous and must be overthrown in a coup. | 被认为是危险的,必须在政变中推翻。 |
| 1039 | Meanwhile, the famous terrorist is suddenly transferred | 同时,著名的恐怖分子突然被转移 |
| 1040 | into a respectable and favored figure. | 成为受人尊敬的人 |
| 1041 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 1042 | About my book, Criticizing the Satanic Verses | 关于我的书, 批评撒旦的寓言 |
| 1043 | that my friend mentioned to it, | 我的朋友提到, |
| 1044 | it is another discussion. | 这是另一个讨论。 |
| 1045 | Maybe, maybe in a very suitable time | 也许,也许在一个非常合适的时间 |
| 1046 | we can discuss about it. | 我们可以讨论一下 |
| 1047 | Thank you so much. | 非常感谢 |
| 1048 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 1049 | I look to Sir Dominic Schultzcott | 我找多米尼克·舒尔茨科特爵士 |
| 1050 | to close the case for side opposition. | 结束对侧面反对的立场。 |
| 1051 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 1052 | Please conclude the case for side opposition. | 请结束对侧反对派的反对。 |
| 1053 | Thank you very much, Mr. President. | 非常感谢主席先生。 |
| 1054 | Ladies and gentlemen, | 女士们,先生们, |
| 1055 | thank you, Mr. President, | 谢谢你,主席先生, |
| 1056 | for inviting me to address this house | 你邀请我到这个家 |
| 1057 | on such a consequential question. | 关于这样一个由此引起的问题。 |
| 1058 | It's been an honor to sit on this bench | 坐在这个长凳上是我的荣幸 |
| 1059 | and to follow the debate with such distinguished speakers, | 并随同这些杰出的发言者进行辩论, |
| 1060 | including a former prime minister and vice president | 包括一名前总理和副总统 |
| 1061 | and my own side as well, | 还有我自己的一面 |
| 1062 | and listen to who equally distinguished in their own fields | 你应当倾听在自己所学的学问, |
| 1063 | and to listen also to seven really first rate speeches. | 并聆听7个真正的第一流演讲。 |
| 1064 | As the last speaker tonight, | 作为今晚最后一位发言者, |
| 1065 | I risk falling into the trap that everything has been said | 我冒着掉进陷阱的险,一切都说了 |
| 1066 | but not everybody has said it. | 但并不是每个人都说过 |
| 1067 | So let me begin by acknowledging the obvious. | 因此,首先让我承认显而易见的问题。 |
| 1068 | Opposing tonight's motion | 反对今晚的动议 |
| 1069 | is not a comfortable position to find oneself in. | 并不是一个舒适的位置 发现自己在。 |
| 1070 | None of us can have watched the suffering | 我们谁也看不到痛苦 |
| 1071 | of the Palestinians in Gaza without profound distress. | 加沙巴勒斯坦人没有遭受深重痛苦。 |
| 1072 | And we've heard a very powerful speech tonight | 我们今晚听到一个非常有力的演讲 |
| 1073 | from the former Palestinian prime minister. | 来自前巴勒斯坦总理。 |
| 1074 | To oppose this motion is not to excuse | 反对这个动议不是借口 |
| 1075 | or defend the actions of Israel's current government, | 或捍卫以色列现任政府的行动, |
| 1076 | nor is it to deny the humanitarian catastrophe | 也不是否认人道主义灾难 |
| 1077 | we have witnessed. | 我们目睹了 |
| 1078 | It is simply to assert soberly and calmly | 只是冷静而冷静地断言 |
| 1079 | that Iran, not Israel, poses the greater threat | 伊朗而不是以色列构成更大的威胁 |
| 1080 | to the stability of the whole region. | 维护整个区域的稳定。 |
| 1081 | Let us start with the recent horrors. | 让我们从最近的恐怖开始。 |
| 1082 | On October the 7th, 2023, | 2023年10月7日 (中文(简体) ). |
| 1083 | Hamas launched one of the most brutal assaults | 哈马斯发动了最残酷的攻击之一 |
| 1084 | in modern Middle Eastern history. | 在现代中东历史中。 |
| 1085 | 1,195 Israelis were killed. | 1 195名以色列人被杀害。 |
| 1086 | Among them, 364 young people, civilians, students | 其中,364名青年、平民、学生 |
| 1087 | at a music festival. | 在音乐节上。 |
| 1088 | And 251 people were taken hostage. | 而251人被劫持为人质. |
| 1089 | Israel's response has been ferocious. | 以色列的反应是激烈的。 |
| 1090 | According to the Gaza's health authorities, | 据加沙卫生当局称, |
| 1091 | more than 69,000 Palestinians have died | 69 000多名巴勒斯坦人丧生。 |
| 1092 | in the two years since. | 在两年之后。 |
| 1093 | Aid has been blocked, famine looms, | 援助受阻,饥荒即将来临, |
| 1094 | and the world's conscience is rightly troubled. | 而世界的良知正受到困扰 |
| 1095 | The United Nations humanitarian chief | 联合国人道主义主管 |
| 1096 | and my friend, Tom Fletcher, | 我的朋友汤姆·弗莱彻 |
| 1097 | has said blocking humanitarian aid | 说封锁人道主义援助 |
| 1098 | is a violation of international humanitarian law | 违反国际人道主义法 |
| 1099 | and the starvation of civilians | 平民的饥饿 |
| 1100 | as a method of warfare is a war crime. | 作为一种战争方法是一种战争罪。 |
| 1101 | Israel's settlement policy in the West Bank | 以色列在西岸的定居点政策 |
| 1102 | continues to be unlawful, unjust, and profoundly damaging. | 继续是非法、不公正和严重破坏性的。 |
| 1103 | Every British government of the past four decades | 过去四十年的每个英国政府 |
| 1104 | has said this. | 已经说过了 |
| 1105 | And I know this not from briefings, but from memory. | 我不仅从简报中知道这一点,而且从记忆中知道这一点。 |
| 1106 | I stood beside the then British foreign secretary, | 我站在当时的英国外交大臣旁边 |
| 1107 | Malcolm Rifkind爵士,1997年,拉马拉 | |
| 1108 | when he told the press that settlements | 当他告诉媒体定居点 |
| 1109 | were illegal and must stop. | 这是非法的,必须停止。 |
| 1110 | And I was with Robin Cook the following year | 次年我和罗宾·库克在一起 |
| 1111 | when he said the same at Har Homa. | 他在霍马山也这么说 |
| 1112 | And those warnings were ignored | 警告是被忽视的, |
| 1113 | and the consequences are written in blood. | 后果是用血写的。 |
| 1114 | But we must look beyond today's agony | 但是我们必须超越今天的痛苦 |
| 1115 | if we are to judge threats to regional stability. | 如果我们要判断对区域稳定的威胁。 |
| 1116 | The war in Gaza for all its tragedy | 加沙战争及其悲剧 |
| 1117 | is rooted in a territorial dispute, | 植根于领土争端, |
| 1118 | land, sovereignty, statehood. | 土地、主权、国家。 |
| 1119 | These are, at least in theory, | 这些是,至少在理论上, |
| 1120 | resolvable through negotiations. | 通过谈判解决。 |
| 1121 | The conflict between Israel and the Palestinians, | 以色列和巴勒斯坦之间的冲突, |
| 1122 | however entrenched, is a struggle | 无论多么坚固,都是一场斗争 |
| 1123 | between two peoples over a finite space. | 两个民族之间,在有限的空间里, |
| 1124 | The other great geopolitical fault line of the Middle East, | 中东另一个巨大的地缘政治断层线, |
| 1125 | the one we too easily forget, | 那个我们很容易忘记的 |
| 1126 | is sectarian, ideological, and intractable. | 是宗派、意识形态和棘手的。 |
| 1127 | The struggle between Sunni and Shia Islam, | 逊尼派和什叶派伊斯兰的斗争, |
| 1128 | between Saudi Arabia and Iran, | 沙特阿拉伯与伊朗之间, |
| 1129 | between pragmatic statecraft and revolutionary zeal. | 在实用的国术和革命狂热之间 |
| 1130 | And it is Iran that drives and sustains | 是伊朗推动和维持 |
| 1131 | this wider-ranging contest. | 这场较广的比赛 |
| 1132 | Since 1979, the Islamic Republic | 自1979年以来,伊朗伊斯兰共和国 |
| 1133 | has pursued a clear and relentless goal | 追求一个明确而无情的目标 |
| 1134 | to export its revolution, extend its influence, | 输出革命, 扩大其影响力, |
| 1135 | and dominate the region. | 并主宰着该地区。 |
| 1136 | Through a web, as we've heard, | 正如我们听到的 通过网络 |
| 1137 | of proxies, militias, and client regimes, | 代理人、民兵和客户政权, |
| 1138 | Tehran has turned instability into a strategy. | 德黑兰已经把不稳定变成一种战略。 |
| 1139 | Take Lebanon. | 带上黎巴嫩 |
| 1140 | In the early 1980s, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard | 1980年代初,伊朗革命卫队 |
| 1141 | created Hezbollah, a militant Shia movement | 创建真主党,一个激进的什叶派运动 |
| 1142 | that now operates as a state within a state. | 现在作为一个州内的国家运作。 |
| 1143 | It controls much of Lebanon's politics, | 它控制着黎巴嫩的大部分政治 |
| 1144 | it dominates its military landscape, | 它支配着它的军事环境, |
| 1145 | and, according to a United Nations tribunal, | 根据一个联合国法庭, |
| 1146 | it bears responsibility for the assassination | 对刺杀负责 |
| 1147 | of Prime Minister Rafik Hariri. | 拉菲克·哈里里总理 |
| 1148 | The Council on Foreign Relations describes Hezbollah | 外交关系委员会描述真主党 |
| 1149 | as the dominant military force in Lebanon, | 作为黎巴嫩的主要军事力量, |
| 1150 | more heavily armed than most sovereign nations. | 比大多数主权国家更重武器。 |
| 1151 | Take Syria. | 取叙利亚. |
| 1152 | When civil war erupted there, | 当内战爆发时, |
| 1153 | Iran came to the rescue of Pasha al-Assad, | 伊朗来救援帕沙·阿萨德, |
| 1154 | alongside Russia, in a campaign | 与俄罗斯一起,在一场运动中 |
| 1155 | that cost more than 600,000 lives, | 导致60多万人丧生, |
| 1156 | and displaced 13 million people. | 并造成1 300万人流离失所。 |
| 1157 | Tehran wasn't fighting for peace, | 德黑兰不是为和平而战 |
| 1158 | or the peace or stability of the Syrian people, | 或叙利亚人民的和平或稳定, |
| 1159 | but for influence, for a sheer corridor | 但为了影响,为了一个纯粹的走廊 |
| 1160 | stretching from the Persian Gulf to the Mediterranean. | 从波斯湾延伸到地中海 |
| 1161 | Take Yemen. | 拿也门。 |
| 1162 | There, as we heard, Iran backs the Houthi movement, | 正如我们听到的 伊朗支持胡塞运动 |
| 1163 | a rebel group, again, as has been said, | 叛乱集团,再次如前所述, |
| 1164 | whose official slogan includes the words | 其官方口号包括: |
| 1165 | death to America, death to Israel, a curse upon Jews. | 死亡到美国,死亡到以色列, 一个诅咒犹太人。 |
| 1166 | The Houthis now control two-thirds of Yemen's population, | 胡塞人现在控制着也门三分之二的人口, |
| 1167 | and terrorize shipping in the Red Sea. | 并恐吓红海的航运 |
| 1168 | Between November 2023 and December 2024 alone, | 仅2023年11月至2024年12月, |
| 1169 | they launched over 300 attacks on vessels. | 他们对船只发动了300多次攻击。 |
| 1170 | Tehran provides the targeting data, | 德黑兰提供目标数据, |
| 1171 | the weapons, and the cheerleading, | 武器和啦啦队, |
| 1172 | while pretending, of course, to have nothing to do with it. | 当然 假装和这事无关 |
| 1173 | No, I'm going to follow the precedent | 不,我要遵循这个先例 |
| 1174 | and keep going, but thank you. | 继续走,但谢谢你 |
| 1175 | The same pattern repeats itself in Iraq, | 同样的模式在伊拉克重演, |
| 1176 | in Lebanon, in Syria. | 黎巴嫩,叙利亚。 |
| 1177 | Everywhere Iran sees a vacuum, an opportunity, | 在伊朗所看到的真空和机会 |
| 1178 | it fills it with chaos. | 它充满了混乱。 |
| 1179 | Every Iranian ally destabilizes its host nation. | 每个伊朗盟友都破坏东道国的稳定。 |
| 1180 | Every Iranian proxy makes a peace harder to achieve. | 每个伊朗代理人都难以实现和平。 |
| 1181 | And this is not random aggression, it is strategy. | 这不是随意的侵略,而是策略。 |
| 1182 | Instability is not a byproduct of Iran's policies. | 不稳定不是伊朗政策的副产品。 |
| 1183 | It is the policy. | 这是政策。 |
| 1184 | It is what allows Tehran to expand its reach | 使德黑兰能够扩大影响范围 |
| 1185 | while maintaining plausible deniability. | 同时也保持了合理的否认能力。 |
| 1186 | When its militias kill, Iran claims its hands are clean. | 当其民兵杀人时,伊朗声称手是干净的。 |
| 1187 | And behind all of this, behind the proxies, | 在这一切的背后, 在代理人的背后, |
| 1188 | lies something even more dangerous, Iran's nuclear program. | 伊朗的核计划更危险 |
| 1189 | Despite international agreements, sanctions, inspections, | 尽管国际协议,制裁,检查, |
| 1190 | Iran has continued to enrich uranium | 伊朗继续浓缩铀 |
| 1191 | to near weapons-grade levels. | 接近武器等级水平。 |
| 1192 | 2015年核协议,JCPOA, | |
| 1193 | capped or sought to cap enrichment at 3.67%. | 封装或试图封装浓缩度为3.67%。 |
| 1194 | Today, Iran enriches to 60%. | 今天,伊朗富足到60%。 |
| 1195 | The International Atomic Energy Agency warns, | 国际原子能机构警告, |
| 1196 | this gives Iran enough material | 这让伊朗有足够的材料 |
| 1197 | for up to nine nuclear weapons | 最多9枚核武器 |
| 1198 | if it takes the final step to 90%. | 如果最后一步达到90%。 |
| 1199 | This is not the posture | 这不是姿态 |
| 1200 | of a state seeking peace and stability. | 一个寻求和平与稳定的国家。 |
| 1201 | It is the behavior of a regime | 这是政权的行为 |
| 1202 | aiming to dominate its region by intimidation and force. | 目的是通过恐吓和武力来支配该地区。 |
| 1203 | We've heard very powerfully already, | 我们已经听到非常强烈的, |
| 1204 | and we've known for years, that Iran's neighbors, | 多年来我们都知道 伊朗的邻国 |
| 1205 | the moderate Sunni Gulf states, | 温和的逊尼派海湾国家, |
| 1206 | see this threat for what it really is. | 看这个威胁到底是什么。 |
| 1207 | The leaked United States cables from 2010, | 2010年泄露的美国电缆, |
| 1208 | thanks to Julian Assange, | 感谢朱利安·阿桑奇 |
| 1209 | revealed that King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, | 沙特阿拉伯国王阿卜杜拉 |
| 1210 | referring to Iran, urged Washington | 提及伊朗,敦促华盛顿 |
| 1211 | to cut off the head of the snake. | 以斩蛇首. |
| 1212 | Publicly, Gulf leaders speak with restraint about Iran. | 海湾领导人公开克制地谈论伊朗. |
| 1213 | Privately, as those cables revealed, | 私下,正如那些电缆显示, |
| 1214 | they live in fear of it. | 他们生活在恐惧中 |
| 1215 | They know that a nuclear Iran | 他们知道伊朗是核国家 |
| 1216 | would upend the balance of regional power. | 将改善区域力量的平衡。 |
| 1217 | This is not a theoretical fear. | 这不是理论上的恐惧。 |
| 1218 | Iran has repeatedly tested ballistic missiles | 伊朗多次试射弹道导弹 |
| 1219 | capable of reaching Tel Aviv, Riyadh, even Athens. | 能够到达特拉维夫 利雅得 甚至雅典 |
| 1220 | And these are the same missiles | 这些都是同样的导弹 |
| 1221 | it hands to Hezbollah and the Houthis. | 交给真主党和胡塞人 |
| 1222 | Imagine it, Iran's network across Iraq, Syria, | 想象一下,伊朗的网络 横跨伊拉克,叙利亚, |
| 1223 | Lebanon, and Yemen, backed by nuclear capability. | 黎巴嫩和也门以核能力为后盾。 |
| 1224 | That is the nightmare scenario, | 这就是噩梦情景 |
| 1225 | and it is far closer than many of us would dare to admit. | 这比我们许多人不敢承认的要近得多。 |
| 1226 | Now, some may say, yes, but Iran is weakened. | 现在,有些人可能说,是的,但伊朗被削弱。 |
| 1227 | Its proxies have suffered losses. | 它的代理人遭受了损失. |
| 1228 | Its nuclear sites have been bombed. | 其核场地遭到轰炸。 |
| 1229 | Its leadership is embattled. | 它的领导层受到打击。 |
| 1230 | Surely, the threat is contained. | 当然,威胁已经得到控制。 |
| 1231 | Temporarily, perhaps. | 也许只是暂时的 |
| 1232 | But the question before this house is not about just today. | 但是,这所房子面前的问题不仅仅是今天。 |
| 1233 | It's about tomorrow. | 这是关于明天。 |
| 1234 | About which actor, in the medium and long term, | 从中长期来看,关于哪个演员, |
| 1235 | poses the greater threat, | 构成更大的威胁, |
| 1236 | the greater danger to regional stability. | 对区域稳定构成更大的危险。 |
| 1237 | Does anyone truly believe Iran will not rearm Hezbollah, | 有谁真的相信伊朗不会重新武装真主党, |
| 1238 | that it will abandon the Houthis, | 即弃绝胡塞人, |
| 1239 | that it will stop meddling in Iraq? | 停止干涉伊拉克? |
| 1240 | No, thank you. | 不 谢谢 |
| 1241 | Even the most optimistic foreign office official | 即使是最乐观的驻外官员 |
| 1242 | would hesitate to write that policy submission. | 将犹豫不决地写出这份政策报告。 |
| 1243 | Iran's deep state, the Revolutionary Guards, | 伊朗的深层国家 革命卫队 |
| 1244 | the Basij, the clerical elite remains firmly in control. | 巴西人,文秘精英们仍然牢牢控制着 |
| 1245 | Its moderate reformers have been crushed. | 其温和的改革者被粉碎. |
| 1246 | Its youth silenced. | 其青春寂灭. |
| 1247 | Its ideology intact. | 它的意识形态完好无损. |
| 1248 | And as the BBC's Frank Gardner observed, | 正如英国广播公司的弗兰克·加德纳所说, |
| 1249 | when the dust settles from this latest Iran-Israel exchange, | 当尘埃落定的时候, |
| 1250 | enough of Iran's leadership will survive | 有足够的伊朗领导才能生存下去 |
| 1251 | to race for the bomb. | 以争夺炸弹。 |
| 1252 | Now, none of this absolves Israel. | 现在,这些都不能免除以色列的责任。 |
| 1253 | Its policies in the West Bank are indefensible. | 它在西岸的政策是站不住脚的。 |
| 1254 | Its bombardment of Gaza, disproportionate. | 它对加沙的轰炸是过分的。 |
| 1255 | Its humanitarian record, dismal. | 它的人道主义记录令人沮丧。 |
| 1256 | But context matters. | 但环境很重要。 |
| 1257 | Israel fights wars it believes necessary for its survival. | 以色列与其认为生存所必需的战争作斗争。 |
| 1258 | Iran ferments wars for ideological expansion. | 伊朗发酵战争 意识形态扩张。 |
| 1259 | Yuval Noah Hariri, the author of Sapiens, | 萨皮恩斯的作者尤瓦尔·诺亚·哈里里, |
| 1260 | himself an Israeli critic of the government, his government, | 他本人是以色列批评政府,他的政府, |
| 1261 | put it, I think, very well. | 把它,我认为,非常好。 |
| 1262 | The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is fueled | 以巴冲突加剧 |
| 1263 | by the mutual horror of destruction. | 以毁灭的恐怖盟誓, |
| 1264 | Each side fears the other wishes to annihilate it. | 双方都害怕对方想要消灭它 |
| 1265 | And these are not irrational fears. | 这些并不是非理性的恐惧。 |
| 1266 | Israel acts, however brutally, out of that fear. | 无论多么残暴,以色列出于这种恐惧采取行动。 |
| 1267 | Iran acts out of revolutionary purpose. | 伊朗出于革命目的行事。 |
| 1268 | And there is another crucial distinction. | 还有另一个关键的区别。 |
| 1269 | Israel's government can change. | 以色列政府可以改变. |
| 1270 | Iran's, sadly, will not. | 可悲的是,伊朗不会这样做。 |
| 1271 | Israel is a democracy, battered, divided, but real. | 以色列是一个民主国家,受到打击,分裂,但却是真正的。 |
| 1272 | Governments fall, leaders are voted out, | 政府倒台,领导人被淘汰 |
| 1273 | citizens protest in the streets. | 民众在街头抗议。 |
| 1274 | The judiciary, though under political pressure, | 司法部门,尽管在政治压力下, |
| 1275 | acts independently. | 独立行动。 |
| 1276 | The current coalition, | 目前的联盟, |
| 1277 | containing extreme religious nationalists | 包括极端宗教民族主义者 |
| 1278 | and a prime minister clinging onto power to avoid jail, | 和一位紧紧抓住权力避免入狱的总理, |
| 1279 | may well collapse. | 可能会崩溃 |
| 1280 | A new leadership could chart a different course. | 新的领导人可以制定不同的路线。 |
| 1281 | Iran, by contrast, is frozen. | 相反,伊朗被冻结。 |
| 1282 | Its theocratic regime has spent four decades | 其神权政权四十年 |
| 1283 | eliminating dissent. | 消除异议。 |
| 1284 | The Revolutionary Guards, | 革命卫队, |
| 1285 | the intelligence and internal security services, | 情报和国内安全部门, |
| 1286 | and the clerical establishment | 和文书编制 |
| 1287 | form a state within a state immune to public will. | 形成一个不受公众意愿影响的国家。 |
| 1288 | The judiciary is the tool of the supreme leader. | 司法机构是最高领导人的工具。 |
| 1289 | The people of Iran, educated, creative, | 伊朗人民,受过教育,有创意, |
| 1290 | and yearning for freedom, they are not our enemies. | 他们渴望自由,他们不是我们的敌人。 |
| 1291 | But their rulers have made themselves | 但是他们的统治者让自己 |
| 1292 | the architects of permanent confrontation. | 永久对抗的建筑师 |
| 1293 | For the foreseeable future, Iran's nuclear ambitions, | 在可预见的未来,伊朗的核野心, |
| 1294 | its orchestration of proxies wars, | 策划代战, |
| 1295 | and its relentless, relentless interference | 及其无情、无情的干涉 |
| 1296 | across the region, | 在整个区域, |
| 1297 | will continue to undermine every fragile piece. | 将继续破坏每一个脆弱的部分。 |
| 1298 | It is by any sober measure, | 以任何理智的判断, |
| 1299 | the single most destabilizing actor in the Middle East. | 中东唯一破坏稳定的人 |
| 1300 | So Mr. President, let us be clear | 因此,主席先生,让我们明确 |
| 1301 | what we are voting on tonight. | 我们今晚的投票结果 |
| 1302 | Not which country has the moral upper hand. | 哪个国家在道德上占上风? |
| 1303 | There are no innocents in this debate. | 这场辩论没有无辜的人。 |
| 1304 | Not which country has caused the most recent suffering. | 不是哪个国家造成最近的痛苦。 |
| 1305 | That ledger is too tragic to balance. | 这个分类账太悲惨了,不能平衡。 |
| 1306 | The motion asks, | 动议问, |
| 1307 | who poses the greater threat to regional stability? | 谁对区域稳定构成更大的威胁? |
| 1308 | Israel's wars, however terrible, are contained. | 以色列的战争,无论多么可怕,都得到了控制。 |
| 1309 | That is no consolation | 这不是安慰 |
| 1310 | if you are a former Palestinian Prime Minister | 如果你是前巴勒斯坦总理 |
| 1311 | or the Palestinian people themselves, | 或巴勒斯坦人民自己, |
| 1312 | for whom, of course, Israel is the greatest threat. | 当然,对谁来说,以色列是最大的威胁。 |
| 1313 | But Iran's ambitions, they spread across the whole region. | 但伊朗的野心,它们蔓延到整个地区. |
| 1314 | Israel's violence is episodic. | 以色列的暴力是典型的。 |
| 1315 | Iran's revolutionary strategy is a constant. | 伊朗的革命策略是一贯的. |
| 1316 | Israel can change from within, Iran will not. | 以色列可以从内部改变,伊朗不会。 |
| 1317 | And so, Mr. President, ladies and gentlemen, | 总统先生 女士们先生们 |
| 1318 | I ask the House to look beyond the headlines | 我要求众议院超越头条新闻 |
| 1319 | and the heartbreak of the moment, | 和心碎的时刻, |
| 1320 | and to take the long view, | 以长视之, |
| 1321 | the historian's view, the strategist's view, | 历史学家的观点 战略家的观点 |
| 1322 | the realist's view, | 现实主义者的观点, |
| 1323 | and I urge you, however reluctantly, | 我敦促你,无论多么不情愿, |
| 1324 | to oppose the motion. | 以反对动议。 |
| 1325 | And I urge you, however reluctantly, to oppose the motion. | 我敦促你,无论多么不情愿,反对这个动议。 |
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