【牛津辩论】英格兰国旗已是分裂象征？ 20260730
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| 0:06 | Now, if I was in France, everybody in the audience would understand that I was saying | 现在,如果我在法国, 观众会明白,我是说 |
| 0:12 | that I'm here to say that the English flag has become a symbol of hatred. | 英国国旗已经成为仇恨的象征 |
| 0:16 | But because I'm in England, everybody understands that basically that means this pretentious | 但是,因为我在英国, 每个人都明白, 这基本上意味着这个荒谬的 |
| 0:21 | twat likes to show off that he speaks multiple languages. | Twat喜欢炫耀自己会说多种语言. |
| 0:28 | Because we all understand that gestures, symbols, words, their meaning depends entirely on the | 因为我们都知道 手势,符号,文字, 其意义完全取决于 |
| 0:36 | context, on who's saying it, on where it's being said, on what the culture that's seeing | 上下文,关于谁在说, 关于在哪里说, 关于什么文化看到 |
| 0:41 | those symbols understands by those symbols. | 这些符号被这些符号所理解. |
| 0:44 | Now, in the case of the English flag, yeah, where do we see the English flag most often | 现在,对于英国国旗,是的, 我们在哪里看到最经常的英国国旗 |
| 0:50 | nowadays? | 现在? |
| 0:51 | Where do you see it most often these days? | 这些天你经常在哪里看到它? |
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| 1 | Now, if I was in France, everybody in the audience would understand that I was saying | 现在,如果我在法国, 观众会明白,我是说 |
| 2 | that I'm here to say that the English flag has become a symbol of hatred. | 英国国旗已经成为仇恨的象征 |
| 3 | But because I'm in England, everybody understands that basically that means this pretentious | 但是,因为我在英国, 每个人都明白, 这基本上意味着这个荒谬的 |
| 4 | twat likes to show off that he speaks multiple languages. | Twat喜欢炫耀自己会说多种语言. |
| 5 | Because we all understand that gestures, symbols, words, their meaning depends entirely on the | 因为我们都知道 手势,符号,文字, 其意义完全取决于 |
| 6 | context, on who's saying it, on where it's being said, on what the culture that's seeing | 上下文,关于谁在说, 关于在哪里说, 关于什么文化看到 |
| 7 | those symbols understands by those symbols. | 这些符号被这些符号所理解. |
| 8 | Now, in the case of the English flag, yeah, where do we see the English flag most often | 现在,对于英国国旗,是的, 我们在哪里看到最经常的英国国旗 |
| 9 | nowadays? | 现在? |
| 10 | Where do you see it most often these days? | 这些天你经常在哪里看到它? |
| 11 | Exactly. | 没错 |
| 12 | And what does this culture understand by the flags that we see on those lampposts? | 我们从灯柱上看到的旗帜能理解这种文化吗? |
| 13 | Well, according to YouGov, the majority of Brits believe that when they see those flags, | 根据YouGov的说法 大多数英国人相信 当他们看到这些旗帜时 |
| 14 | they are put up by people who are expressing primarily anti-migrants, anti-ethnic minority | 这些人主要表达反移民、反少数民族的言论。 |
| 15 | sentiment more than it's about national pride. | 感情比民族自豪更重要 |
| 16 | So it is a matter of statistical fact that when we see those flags, our primary understanding | 所以统计学上的问题是 当我们看到这些旗帜时 我们的首要理解 |
| 17 | is a racist was here. | 曾经是种族主义者 |
| 18 | Now, of course, the opposition will say that they believe that the flags represent national | 现在,当然,反对派会说,他们相信旗帜代表民族 |
| 19 | pride. | 骄傲 |
| 20 | St. George or Churchill's left. | 圣乔治或丘吉尔左翼. |
| 21 | I don't know what it's about. | 不知其义. |
| 22 | But by definition, they are statistically the minority. | 但从统计学上讲,他们是少数。 |
| 23 | In fact, only 25% of Brits believe that those flags that are being put up are about more | 事实上,只有25%的英国人 认为那些被升起的旗帜 |
| 24 | national pride than they are about racism and xenophobia. | 国家比他们更自豪于种族主义和仇外心理。 |
| 25 | And that actually drops to 15% among ethnic minorities who believe that those flags are | 实际上,在那些认为这些旗帜 |
| 26 | being put up for racism and xenophobia more than national pride by a ratio of 11 to 3. | 被容忍的种族主义和仇外心理多于民族自豪感,其比例为11比3。 |
| 27 | Now, that should be enough for those of you who have a conscience, because if you know | 现在,你们这些有良心的人就够了 因为如果你们知道 |
| 28 | the ethnic minorities, when we see those flags, we see them as a threat. | 少数民族,当我们看到这些旗帜时,我们把他们视为一种威胁。 |
| 29 | When you know that the campaign to put those flags up was largely spurred on by Tommy Robinson, | 当你知道把旗帜竖起来的运动 在很大程度上是由汤米罗宾逊推动的 |
| 30 | when you know that we've had riots in this country where ethnic minority people were | 当你知道我们在这个少数民族聚居的国家 发生了骚乱 |
| 31 | hunted in the streets in 2024 by people that were flying the St. George's flag, to tell | 2024年在街上被悬挂圣乔治旗的人猎杀,告诉 |
| 32 | us that we're seeing things is gaslighting of the highest order. | 我们所看到的东西 燃气的最高顺序。 |
| 33 | Now, I actually, I want to thank Patrick for texting me the other day to tell me that he | 现在,实际上,我想感谢帕特里克 前几天给我发短信 告诉我他 |
| 34 | was going to be coming here, because what I find quite funny is that Patrick is going | 本来会来这里的 因为我觉得很有趣的是 帕特里克会去 |
| 35 | to be standing up here in a couple of minutes and telling us how he believes that the flag | 几分钟后站在这里 告诉我们他如何相信国旗 |
| 36 | is primarily about national pride, and it's not a symbol of division. | 主要是关于民族自豪感,它不是分裂的象征. |
| 37 | Unfortunately, I have something on record. | 不幸的是,我有记录 |
| 38 | What he's essentially seen as some kind of civil resistance movement, which is to say, | 他基本上被看成是 某种平民反抗运动, 也就是说, |
| 39 | actually, you know what, we've taken all sorts of BS here for the last however many years, | 其实,你知道什么, 我们已经采取了 各种各样的BS在这里 在过去很多年, |
| 40 | we've had enough, we're going to put the flag up. | 我们已经受够了, 我们要挂上国旗。 |
| 41 | Now, that already sounds pretty divisive. | 现在,这已经听起来相当分裂。 |
| 42 | It's about anger, it's about civil resistance, but he goes further. | 内容是愤怒,是民间反抗,但他更进一步. |
| 43 | If you don't like our flag, you should leave our country. | 如果你不喜欢我们的旗帜, 你应该离开我们的国家。 |
| 44 | Okay, that's already pretty divisive as well. | 好吧,这已经相当分裂了。 |
| 45 | Let's step a little bit further and find out who it is he thinks doesn't like the flag | 我们再往前走一点 找出他认为谁不喜欢国旗 |
| 46 | and should leave the country. | 应该离开这个国家 |
| 47 | Some of these councils that appear to be doing most of the taking down, as far as I can tell, | 据我所知,其中一些理事会 似乎正在做大部分的倒台, |
| 48 | now, maybe this is because these are the areas where most of them have gone up. | 现在,也许这是因为 这些地区 他们大多已经上升。 |
| 49 | I don't think it is, but you've got Tower Hamlers there, and you've got Birmingham, | 我想不是 但你有哈姆勒斯塔 还有伯明翰 |
| 50 | and, you know, there's two areas there that do not have, demographically speaking, do | 而且,你知道,那里有两个地区 没有,从人口学上来说,做 |
| 51 | not have a huge white British population. | 英国没有巨大的白人人口 |
| 52 | I wonder if that has something to do with it, I don't know. | 我不知道这跟这事有什么关系 |
| 53 | So, his message is, he doesn't believe that ethnic minorities like our flag, and if you | 所以,他的讯息是,他不相信 少数民族喜欢我们的旗帜, 如果你 |
| 54 | don't like our flag, you should leave our country, and he's about to tell you that that | 不喜欢我们的旗帜,你应该离开我们的国家, 他就要告诉你, |
| 55 | flag is not a symbol of division. | 旗帜不是分裂的象征。 |
| 56 | Interesting. | 有意思,这很有趣 |
| 57 | Now, of course, as I've seen him do before, he's going to argue about, well, how come | 当然了,我以前见过他, 他会争论,为什么 |
| 58 | it's okay to put up Palestinian flags, but again, symbols depend on context. | 竖起巴勒斯坦的旗帜没关系, 但同样,符号取决于背景。 |
| 59 | The majority of people in the UK support Palestine, we support an arms embargo on Israel, and | 联合王国大多数人支持巴勒斯坦,我们支持对以色列实行武器禁运,并且 |
| 60 | whereas only 5% of people in the UK support Hamas, which means that when we see people | 而英国只有5%的人支持哈马斯,这意味着当我们看到人们时, |
| 61 | supporting Palestine, nobody interprets it as a support for Hamas. | 没有人把支持巴勒斯坦解释为支持哈马斯。 |
| 62 | And so I presented you already with irrefutable evidence, statistical evidence, that for the | 所以我已经给你提供了无可辩驳的证据 统计证据 |
| 63 | people of the UK, what that England flag has grown to become is a symbol of hatred and | 英国人民,英格兰国旗 逐渐成为仇恨的象征 |
| 64 | division, and I've actually proven that with the opposition actually admitting not just | 事实上我已经证明 反对派承认了 |
| 65 | that that's true, but that they are the reason why that's the case. | 这是真的,但他们 是原因,这是事实。 |
| 66 | So effectively, I have now won this debate. | 如此有效,我现在赢得了本次辩论。 |
| 67 | So how long have I got left, actually? | 我还能活多久? |
| 68 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 69 | Now, I have to apologize because I did order a proper England flag shirt on Amazon, but | 现在,我必须道歉 因为我确实在亚马逊岛 订购了正宗的英国国旗衬衫,但是... |
| 70 | it arrived in Birmingham like an hour before this, and so I had to stop at the women's | 一小时前它就到了伯明翰 所以我不得不停在女人家 |
| 71 | section of Asda, and then the children's section of Asda for the paint, and so here we are. | 然后是阿斯达的孩子们的涂料 所以我们到了 |
| 72 | And because the question I want to ask is, how do we fix that problem? | 因为我想问的问题是 我们如何解决这个问题? |
| 73 | How do we fix the problem that our national flag has become a symbol of hate? | 我们如何解决我国国旗成为仇恨象征的问题? |
| 74 | And the question is, how do we get here? | 问题是,我们怎么来到这里? |
| 75 | Because right now, you're seeing me in this, and nobody here is thinking that this is a | 因为现在,你看到我在这, 没有人在这里认为这是一个 |
| 76 | symbol of division because you understand what my values represent. | 象征着分裂,因为你理解我的价值观。 |
| 77 | You know, again, symbols require context, but the problem we've seen is that the people | 你知道,再次,符号需要上下文, 但我们已经看到的问题是人民 |
| 78 | that have been flying these flags in recent years, we've seen that they have bad intentions. | 这些年来悬挂着这些旗帜, 我们已经看到,他们有坏的意图。 |
| 79 | I already mentioned the people that were hunting ethnic minorities in the streets while waving | 我已经提到过那些在街上打猎的人 一边挥手 |
| 80 | that flag, but also, as you probably have gathered, there has been a spot of nationalism | 那面旗子,但是,正如你们可能已经收集到的, 有一个民族主义的斑点 |
| 81 | in our politics over the past 10 years. | 在过去十年中,我们的政治。 |
| 82 | Ever since David Cameron decided that he was going to call a referendum on leaving the | 自从大卫·卡梅伦决定 要求举行全民公投 |
| 83 | EU as a way of sort of stealing the thunder from Nigel Farage, ever since then we've seen | 欧盟是偷奈杰尔·法拉吉的雷的方式 从那时起我们就看到 |
| 84 | politicians on our screens competing for who can be the most intimate with a Union Jack. | 政治人物在我们的屏幕上竞争 谁可以是最亲密的联盟杰克。 |
| 85 | Now, obviously, the Union Jack is the slightly more progressive parent of the St. George's | 很明显,杰克工会是圣乔治会 稍有进步的家长 |
| 86 | flag, but the point still stands. | 旗帜,但问题依然存在。 |
| 87 | And as a result, ever since then, basically, flag waving has become the calling card of | 因此,从那时起, 基本上,旗帜挥舞 成为了呼叫卡 |
| 88 | right-wing nationalists, and their biggest demand over the past 10, 40 years has been | 右翼民族主义者 过去10、40年来 他们最大的要求是 |
| 89 | Brexit. | 布莱克西特 |
| 90 | And I don't just say that that shows that this flag waving is linked to bad intentions | 我不只是说 这说明这面挥舞的旗帜 与恶意有关 |
| 91 | because Brexit has damaged every section of our society. | 因为布雷克西特破坏了我们社会的每一部分 |
| 92 | I mean it because the people behind it have admitted that they're doing that intentionally. | 我是说真的,因为幕后主使 承认他们这样做是故意的。 |
| 93 | They are intentionally hurting us. | 他们故意伤害我们 |
| 94 | I remember in 2017, Nigel Farage said, do you know what I'm asked about? | 我记得2017年,奈杰尔·法拉吉说,你知道我被问到什么吗? |
| 95 | Are we going to be richer or poorer with Brexit? | 我们和Brexit一起是更富有还是更穷? |
| 96 | Do you know what my answer is? | 你知道我的答案是什么吗? |
| 97 | What price freedom? | 什么价格自由吗? |
| 98 | What price liberty? | 什么价格自由吗? |
| 99 | What price our identity as a country? | 我们国家的身份值多少钱? |
| 100 | These are the questions, actually, that really matter. | 这些是真正重要的问题。 |
| 101 | So he explicitly said he did not care if it hurt the people of the UK. | 因此他明确表示他不在乎这是否伤害了英国人民. |
| 102 | And now, Brexit has hurt us, and I've got one of the Reform Party's candidates on camera | 现在,布雷克西特伤害了我们, 我有一个改革党的候选人在镜头上 |
| 103 | saying that Brexit is making us poorer, and that if they go for their no-deal Brexit thing, | 说Brexit让我们更穷 如果他们不听话 |
| 104 | it'll damage our food supply for the next 20 years. | 它会破坏我们的食物供应 在未来20年。 |
| 105 | So these people, they're explicitly saying they'll make us poorer. | 所以这些人,他们明确地说,他们会让我们变得更穷。 |
| 106 | Hell, in 2018, Andrew's government, it was leaked that your government analysis said | 见鬼,2018年,安德鲁的政府, 被泄露,你的政府分析说 |
| 107 | that no matter what version of Brexit you negotiated, it was going to make people poorer, | 无论你谈判了哪种版本的布雷克西特 都会让人民更加贫困 |
| 108 | which means you were doing something that you knew would hurt people. | 这意味着你在做一些你知道会伤害人的事 |
| 109 | That's intentionally hurt in the UK. | 这在英国是故意伤害的 |
| 110 | Again, bad intentions. | 再说一遍 坏意图 |
| 111 | And of course, you'll argue democracy, et cetera, | 当然,你会争论民主等等, |
| 112 | but ultimately, Brexit was about international relations, | 但归根结底,布雷克西特是 关于国际关系, |
| 113 | and Remain meant a very specific relationship. | 和留意味着 一个非常具体的关系。 |
| 114 | Leave was literally anything else. | 离开其实是其他一切。 |
| 115 | It could be anything from no deal to Norway, | 它可能是任何 从不交易挪威, |
| 116 | and it was only negotiated three years after the vote, | 在投票后三年才谈判出来 |
| 117 | at which point you had Nigel Farage's Reform Party saying they rejected it. | 当时你让奈杰尔·法拉吉的改革党说 他们拒绝了 |
| 118 | You had the DUP, the pro-Brexit party, saying they rejected it. | 你办了民主警察党,亲英国的派对 说他们拒绝了 |
| 119 | So you knew you didn't have the support of the 52%, | 所以你知道你没有得到52%的支持 |
| 120 | and you knew it would hurt people, | 你知道那会伤害人 |
| 121 | and yet you still went ahead with it, damaging the lives of millions of people. | 然而你仍然继续这样做,破坏了数百万人的生命。 |
| 122 | Again, these flag waivers have been proven to have deliberately bad intentions. | 事实证明,这些放弃国旗的做法有蓄意的不良意图。 |
| 123 | And it's because of that that people are seeing that this wave of right-wing nationalism, | 这是因为人们看到 这股右翼民族主义的浪潮, |
| 124 | this flag waving, is not about patriotism, because it can't be. | 这旗帜挥舞着,不是爱国主义,因为它不可能。 |
| 125 | Because it can't be about sovereignty, it can't be about controlling immigration, | 因为它不能是主权, 它不能是控制移民, |
| 126 | it can't be about national pride, it can't be about some, | 这不可能是国家骄傲 也不能是某些人 |
| 127 | even some cry of the forgotten working class, | 甚至有些被遗忘的工人阶级的哭声, |
| 128 | when you know that the actions of these people is hurting people, | 当你知道这些人的行为正在伤害人们时 |
| 129 | when you know that the people that are behind these movements | 当你知道这些运动背后的人 |
| 130 | are explicitly saying, we are hurting you. | 我们明白地说,我们正在伤害你。 |
| 131 | And if you know that it's not about that, | 如果你知道这无关紧要 |
| 132 | then all you've got left is what they say about minorities, | 那么,你所剩无几的是 他们所说的少数民族, |
| 133 | what they say about immigrants. | 他们所说的移民。 |
| 134 | That's all you've got left, because it's not about helping people, | 这就是你剩下的一切, 因为这不是帮助人们, |
| 135 | at which point the only logical conclusion that it's about racism and xenophobia. | 此时唯一符合逻辑的结论就是它涉及到种族主义和仇外心理. |
| 136 | And that's why, when people see those flags, that's what they understand by it. | 这就是为什么,当人们看到这些旗帜时, 他们从中明白了。 |
| 137 | And the tragedy of it is, it is people like those in the opposition, | 悲剧是 和反对派的人一样 |
| 138 | by supporting such damaging policies whilst waving the flag, | 在挥舞旗帜时支持这种破坏性政策, |
| 139 | they have tarnished our flag, they have tarnished our sense of national pride. | 他们玷污了我们的旗帜 他们玷污了我们的民族自豪感 |
| 140 | Because I used to be a huge, personally, I used to be hugely proud | 因为我曾经是一个巨大的, 个人,我曾经非常骄傲 |
| 141 | of being British when I lived in France and lived in Belgium. | 我住在法国和比利时的时候是英国人 |
| 142 | Being the English guy was a huge part of my identity, I loved it. | 作为英国人是我身份的一大部分,我喜欢。 |
| 143 | But it's because of the movements of what our country has done in recent years | 但是因为近年来我们国家的行动 |
| 144 | that my pride has been very much damaged. | 我的自尊心受到很大损害 |
| 145 | So if we actually, and that's why I use the phrase, hashtag take back Jack, | 所以,如果我们真的, 这就是为什么我用短语,标签 收回杰克, |
| 146 | because it is the responsibility of those who represent the decent values | 因为这是代表体面价值观的人的责任 |
| 147 | that most Brits share to reclaim that flag. | 大部分英国人都希望收回那面旗帜 |
| 148 | Because ultimately, those who are pushing it in a damaging way, | 因为归根结底 那些以破坏性的方式推动它的人 |
| 149 | they are the minority. | 他们是少数。 |
| 150 | In almost every single election since World War II, apart from three, | 在二战以来的几乎每一次选举中 除了三次之外 |
| 151 | the majority of votes have gone to parties to the left of the conservatives. | 多数选票投给了保守派左翼政党。 |
| 152 | That's who we are as a country. | 这就是我们的国家 |
| 153 | We are a broadly speaking, progressive, pro-equality country, | 我们是一个广义、进步、支持平等的国家, |
| 154 | but our voting system keeps giving us governments | 但是我们的投票制度 不断地让我们的政府 |
| 155 | that are more right wing than the actual people. | 这比真正的人更右翼 |
| 156 | They are the minority. | 他们是少数。 |
| 157 | So it is our job to reclaim this flag so that it actually represents | 所以,这是我们的工作 收回这面旗子 这样它实际上代表 |
| 158 | the decent values that most of us share. | 我们大多数人共同拥有的体面价值。 |
| 159 | And if we want to actually reclaim that flag, then what we have to do | 如果我们真的想夺回那面旗帜 那我们必须做什么 |
| 160 | is we have to not be scared of wearing it, | 我们不必害怕穿它, |
| 161 | even if it means taking clothes from Asda at 10 PM. | 即使这意味着在晚上10点从阿斯达那里取衣服. |
| 162 | And what we have to do is we need to call out the blatant lack of patriotism, | 我们要做的是,我们需要指出 明目张胆的缺乏爱国主义, |
| 163 | we have to call out the blatant lack of patriotism | 我们必须大声疾呼 赤裸裸的缺乏爱国主义 |
| 164 | of those who claim to care about this country, | 那些声称关心这个国家的人 |
| 165 | but while deliberately hurting it. | 却故意伤害它 |
| 166 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 167 | Thank you for your speech, Femi. | 谢谢你的演讲 费米 |
| 168 | Next, I would like to welcome Patrick to the floor | 接着,我要欢迎帕特里克发言。 |
| 169 | to open the case for side opposition. | 以立案反对 |
| 170 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 171 | All right. | 好吧,我们走。 |
| 172 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 173 | Thank you for giving me the opportunity to defend our great flag. | 谢谢你给我机会捍卫我们的伟大旗帜 |
| 174 | I would also like to thank the president. | 我也要感谢总统。 |
| 175 | I believe I'm giving the opportunity now quickly | 我相信我正在迅速给机会 |
| 176 | as is custom to roast the opposition. | 就像烤烤反对者一样 |
| 177 | This is something I'm supposed to do. | 这是我应该做的 |
| 178 | It is always a pleasure to debate, Femi. | 辩论总是很高兴,费米。 |
| 179 | I appreciate you. | 谢谢你 |
| 180 | You're right. | 你说得对 |
| 181 | When I see you in that shirt, I don't see a symbol of division. | 当我看到你穿那件衬衫时,我看不到一个组织符号. |
| 182 | I see an audition for the village people. | 我看到一个乡下人的试镜。 |
| 183 | It's a very, very good job | 这是一个非常,非常好的工作 |
| 184 | that you didn't strip down to the underwear | 你没有脱下内衣 |
| 185 | because it is quite cold in here. | 因为这里很冷 |
| 186 | You also made a point, didn't you, about, | 你也有一点,不是吗,关于, |
| 187 | oh, only 5% of people who waved the Palestinian flag, | 哦,只有5%的人挥舞着巴勒斯坦国旗, |
| 188 | which by the way, I'm not going to get into this issue tonight | 顺便说一句,我今晚不谈这个 |
| 189 | because it's not the night for it, support Hamas. | 因为这不是它的夜晚,支持哈马斯。 |
| 190 | We're not going to admit to it, are we? | 我们不会承认吧? |
| 191 | They're a banned terrorist organization. | 他们是被取缔的恐怖组织. |
| 192 | I've been completely nuts. | 我已经完全疯了。 |
| 193 | But anyway, thank you very much for coming tonight, Femi. | 但无论如何,非常感谢你 今晚来,费米。 |
| 194 | It's a night out for you. | 今夜为汝出家. |
| 195 | It's a night off for everyone you live with. | 今晚你和谁一起过夜 |
| 196 | We've also got two serving members of the House of Lords here, | 我们这里还有两位上议院成员 |
| 197 | haven't we? | 是吗? |
| 198 | Not content with being able to shape the laws of our great country | 不满足于塑造我们伟大国家的法律 |
| 199 | in that giant taxpayer-funded red leather care home there in Westminster. | 在威斯敏斯特那个 由纳税人出资的红皮房里 |
| 200 | They also want to come here. | 他们也想来这里 |
| 201 | They also want to come here now and slag off our flag. | 他们现在也想来这里 把我们的旗子上抹掉 |
| 202 | I think we'll have our money back, please, chaps. | 我想我们会把钱拿回来的 |
| 203 | Anyway, it never ceases to amaze me | 总之,它从来没有停止 使我惊叹 |
| 204 | how many people are desperate to come to Britain, | 有多少人绝望地来到英国, |
| 205 | study at British institutions like this, | 在英国这类机构学习, |
| 206 | live in quintessentially British places like Oxford, | 住在牛津等英国人的地方 |
| 207 | maybe even, dare I say it, claim a student loan | 甚至,我敢说, 要求学生贷款 |
| 208 | paid for by the British taxpayer in British pound sterling | 由英国纳税人以英镑支付 |
| 209 | with the face of the British monarch on it, | 上面刻着英国君主的表情 |
| 210 | and then turn around and tell us that our flag's shit. | 然后转身告诉我们我们的旗帜的狗屎。 |
| 211 | Seriously. | 说真的 |
| 212 | I mean, come on. | 我的意思是,来吧。 |
| 213 | If the St George's flag has become a symbol of racism and division, | 如果圣乔治的旗帜成为种族主义和分裂的象征, |
| 214 | why is it that millions of people want to come and live in England | 为什么数百万人想来英国生活? |
| 215 | every single year? | 每年? |
| 216 | Surely, by now, word would have got out to their mates back home | 当然,到现在, 消息会传出去给他们的同伴回家 |
| 217 | and they would have said, actually, lads, don't bother, you know? | 他们会说,其实,伙计们, 不要麻烦,你知道吗? |
| 218 | If you really are silly enough to believe | 如果你真的傻到可以相信的话 |
| 219 | that hanging the St George's flag from lampposts | 挂着圣乔治旗的灯柱 |
| 220 | or bedroom windows is a symbol of division, | 或卧室窗户是分裂的象征, |
| 221 | let me tell you why they're really doing it. | 让我告诉你为什么他们真的这样做。 |
| 222 | And a part of it is migrant hotels. | 其中有一部分是移民旅馆。 |
| 223 | They've been popping up in towns and villages across the country. | 他们在全国各地的城镇和村庄涌现. |
| 224 | Did you know that one in every 100 illegal migrants | 你知道每100名非法移民中就有一人 |
| 225 | living in these hotels has been charged with, | 住在这些旅馆的人被指控 |
| 226 | found guilty, or is currently wanted for a crime? | 被判有罪,还是目前因犯罪被通缉? |
| 227 | A schoolgirl was raped in a park by an Afghan migrant | 一个女学生在公园里被一个阿富汗移民强奸 |
| 228 | not far from here. | 离这里不远 |
| 229 | A schoolgirl was sexually assaulted by an Ethiopian migrant in Essex | 一名女学生在埃塞克斯遭到一名埃塞俄比亚移民的性侵犯。 |
| 230 | four days after he arrived in Britain. | 在他到达英国四天后 |
| 231 | An elderly man, out walking his dog, | 一个老人,走出他的狗, |
| 232 | was murdered by a Moroccan asylum seeker | 被一名摩洛哥寻求庇护者谋杀 |
| 233 | who traveled through 13 different countries | 穿越13个不同国家 |
| 234 | before he made it to a taxpayer-funded house in Hartlepool. | 在他来到哈特尔浦的纳税人出资的房子之前 |
| 235 | People no longer feel safe in their own towns, | 人们不再感到安全 在自己的城镇, |
| 236 | their villages, and their homes | 他们的村庄和家园, |
| 237 | because successive governments have told British citizens | 因为历届政府都告诉英国公民 |
| 238 | that their rights matter less than the rights of illegal young men. | 他们的权利不如非法青年的权利重要。 |
| 239 | The Labour government literally argued this in court recently and won. | 工党政府最近在法庭上争论了这一点并获胜。 |
| 240 | And they know that more is on the way. | 他们知道还有更多的人正在路上。 |
| 241 | Now, I have done something that I don't know if anyone else in this room has done. | 现在,我做了一些我不知道 在这个房间里有没有其他人做过的事。 |
| 242 | I have been to Northern France to look at the migrant crisis, | 我去过法国北部 看看移民危机 |
| 243 | to track down personally human traffickers myself, | 亲自追查人贩子 |
| 244 | and speak to people who are on their way to Britain. | 和正在去英国的人说话 |
| 245 | Do you know what that exposed? | 你知道那暴露了什么吗? |
| 246 | Many of them are linked to ISIS. | 其中许多与伊斯兰国有关。 |
| 247 | Many of them are linked to the Taliban. | 其中许多人与塔利班有关联。 |
| 248 | Many are armed. | 许多人持有武器。 |
| 249 | And if you go and ask some of these young men, | 如果你去问一些年轻人 |
| 250 | you go and ask some of these young men | 你去问问这些年轻人 |
| 251 | what their views are about gay rights, | 他们对于同性恋权利的看法是什么? |
| 252 | about trans rights, | 关于越权, |
| 253 | about women's rights, | 关于妇女权利, |
| 254 | about the age of consent. | 关于同意年龄。 |
| 255 | And I'm addressing here particularly people on the left in this room. | 我在这里演讲 特别是这个房间左边的人。 |
| 256 | You ask yourselves whether or not | 你问自己是不是 |
| 257 | they match your own views on those subjects. | 它们符合你对这些问题的看法。 |
| 258 | And then you tell me whether or not | 然后你告诉我是否 |
| 259 | you would like them really to be living in your area. | 你希望他们真的住在你的地方 |
| 260 | Because they're about to be. | 因为他们马上就要来了 |
| 261 | People aren't hanging up the St George's flag for division. | 人们不会挂上圣乔治的旗子进行分裂. |
| 262 | It is a desperate attempt at a benign protest against an unright... | 这是一个绝望的尝试 一个善意的抗议 一个不正确的... |
| 263 | No, I'm not going to give away. | 不 我不会放弃的 |
| 264 | I'm sorry. | 对不起 |
| 265 | I've got a lot to give you. | 我有很多东西要给你 |
| 266 | Thank you, though. | 谢谢你,虽然。 |
| 267 | It's a desperate attempt at a benign protest against an unrelenting tidal wave | 这是一个绝望的尝试 一个良性抗议 无情的潮汐 |
| 268 | of cultural, societal, and criminal change in their beloved areas. | 文化、社会和罪恶的改变 |
| 269 | People are hanging these flags up not to stoke division, | 人们挂着这些旗子 不是去打分 |
| 270 | but because they feel like they're being treated | 因为他们觉得自己在接受治疗 |
| 271 | like second-class citizens in their own country. | 就像自己国家的二等公民 |
| 272 | And they are sick and tired of having their hard-earned money | 他们厌倦了辛苦挣的钱 |
| 273 | spent on things they don't consent to. | 花在他们不同意的东西上 |
| 274 | We've got the highest tax burden since World War II. | 我们的税收负担是二战以来最高的. |
| 275 | Energy bills going up. | 能源账单上升了。 |
| 276 | The elderly had their winter fuel payment cut. | 老年人的冬季燃料付款被削减。 |
| 277 | And there is a sense now in this country | 这个国家现在有一种感觉 |
| 278 | that instead of prioritizing English or British people, | 而不是把英国人或英国人放在优先位置 |
| 279 | and also people who've come here legally, by the way, | 顺便说一句,还有那些合法来到这里的人 |
| 280 | which should be the first duty of any country, | 这是任何国家的首要义务, |
| 281 | that that's not the case. | 事实并非如此。 |
| 282 | It's going to people like this. | 它会给这样的人。 |
| 283 | Two hundred councils in the UK have signed up | 英国200个议会已经注册了 |
| 284 | to take part in a government pilot scheme | 参加政府试点计划; |
| 285 | to build new homes for asylum seekers. | 为寻求庇护者建造新的住房。 |
| 286 | Not for Brits. | 不对英国人 |
| 287 | Not for the thousands of homeless military veterans that line our streets. | 数千名流浪军老兵在街上排队 |
| 288 | Not for the young single mother who's just fled domestic abuse | 不给刚刚逃离家庭虐待的年轻单身母亲 |
| 289 | and doesn't have a place to stay. | 亦无住处. |
| 290 | No. | 没有 |
| 291 | For people like the 40,000 Afghans who were secretly brought to Britain, | 对于像40,000阿富汗人 被秘密带到英国, |
| 292 | under a scheme the public were never supposed to find out about. | 根据计划 公众不应该知道。 |
| 293 | The government went to the high court to get a super injunction | 政府去高院申请超级禁令 |
| 294 | to stop journalists like me being able to tell you that 40,000 Afghans, | 阻止像我这样的记者 告诉你,4万阿富汗人, |
| 295 | some of whom are related to Taliban commanders, | 其中一些人与塔利班指挥官有关, |
| 296 | some are now on terror watches, | 有些现在在恐怖监视之下 |
| 297 | some have been found guilty of heinous crimes, | 有些人被判犯有滔天罪行, |
| 298 | and some have been back to Afghanistan on holiday, | 有些人在度假时回到了阿富汗, |
| 299 | having been granted asylum. | 获得庇护。 |
| 300 | So yes, when the British public find out about stuff like this, | 所以,当英国公众 发现这样的事情, |
| 301 | they do raise the St George's Cross. | 他们的确提高了圣乔治十字架。 |
| 302 | Not to stoke division, but crucially, | 并不是去分裂,但关键是, |
| 303 | to remind our politicians who they are supposed to be representing, | 提醒我们的政治家 他们应该代表谁 |
| 304 | because I think they've forgotten. | 因为我认为他们忘了。 |
| 305 | Let me just tell you why people are hanging these flags as well. | 让我告诉你 为什么人们也挂着这些旗帜 |
| 306 | Because our politicians are constantly telling us | 因为我们的政客不断告诉我们 |
| 307 | that we have to praise the flag and the culture of every single other country, | 我们必须赞扬每个其他国家的旗帜和文化, |
| 308 | other than our own. | 除了我们自己 |
| 309 | What even is British culture? | 英国文化是什么? |
| 310 | 他们说,哦,你的国菜是 鸡tikka masala, | |
| 311 | yay, great, okay, fantastic. | 好极了 好极了 棒极了 棒极了 |
| 312 | They say we need more change, more, more, more. | 他们说我们需要更多的改变,更多的,更多的,更多的。 |
| 313 | They feel offended, these people, | 他们觉得冒犯,这些人, |
| 314 | that Britain, a country that so many people fought and died for, | 英国,一个有这么多人为之奋斗和牺牲的国家, |
| 315 | is viewed by our ruling elites as nothing more than a plot of land | 被我们统治的精英看成不过是一块土地 |
| 316 | in the sea, open to anyone who wants it. | 在海中,向任何想要的人开放。 |
| 317 | And when people spoke up about this about 20-odd years ago, | 当人们在20多年前谈到这个时, |
| 318 | and they were saying things that had nothing to do with race or ethnicity, | 他们说的话和种族或民族无关 |
| 319 | they were just saying things like, | 他们只是说, |
| 320 | I don't really think we've got the infrastructure for this, right? | 我真的觉得我们没有这个基础设施,对不对? |
| 321 | They were called racist, xenophobic. | 他们被称为种族主义、仇外。 |
| 322 | They were shouted down, they were demonised, they were gaslit. | 他们被喊了下来,被妖魔化了,被毒气化了. |
| 323 | And then now, my friends, we actually have some of these stats, don't we? | 现在,我的朋友们,我们确实有一些 这些统计,不是吗? |
| 324 | In 2024, in London, about 47% of people charged with sex offences | 2024年,在伦敦,大约47%的人被指控犯有性犯罪 |
| 325 | were foreign nationals. | 外国人。 |
| 326 | We've had the Pakistani rape gang scandal. | 发生了巴基斯坦强奸团伙丑闻 |
| 327 | Thousands and thousands of predominantly working-class white girls | 成千上万的工人阶级白人女孩 |
| 328 | in at least 55 towns and cities across the UK abuse. | 在整个联合王国,至少有55个城镇受到虐待。 |
| 329 | And the police force is on record saying they didn't investigate this | 警方记录在案 说他们没有调查此事 |
| 330 | because they didn't want to stoke racial tensions. | 因为他们不想激化种族矛盾 |
| 331 | No, sorry, I'm not going to give way. | 不,对不起,我不会让路的。 |
| 332 | We have a housing crisis as well, of course. | 当然,我们也有住房危机。 |
| 333 | We also are having to let violent prisoners out of prison | 我们还不得不让暴力囚犯出狱 |
| 334 | because we don't have capacity, | 因为我们没有能力 |
| 335 | whilst 12% of prisoners are foreign nationals. | 12%的囚犯是外国人。 |
| 336 | Councils won't clean graffiti off trains, | 议会不会清理火车上的涂鸦, |
| 337 | but they'll paint over a red cross on a roundabout. | 但他们会在环路的红十字上画画 |
| 338 | And now, after all this evidence, after 20 years of being shouted down, | 现在,经过所有这些证据, 经过20年的呼喊, |
| 339 | how do you think those people feel now? | 你觉得那些人现在感觉如何? |
| 340 | Well, they feel annoyed. | 他们很生气 |
| 341 | They feel helpless. | 他们感到无助。 |
| 342 | And that St George's Cross is not a symbol of division. | 而圣乔治十字并不是分裂的象征. |
| 343 | It, for them, is a symbol of patriotic resistance. | 对他们来说,它是爱国抵抗的象征。 |
| 344 | These flag hoisters were demonised and gaslit for years. | 这些旗子被妖魔化了好几年 |
| 345 | And now, for my good friends on this side of the debate, | 而现在,对于我的好朋友 在辩论的这一面, |
| 346 | to say that they are stoking division is just your latest attempt | 说他们正在分裂 只是你最新的尝试 |
| 347 | to try to shut them down again. | 试图再次关闭他们。 |
| 348 | And they will not be silenced this time. | 他们这次不会沉默。 |
| 349 | People are sick of not being in control of our own laws, all right? | 人们厌倦了不能控制我们自己的法律,好吗? |
| 350 | They see cases where every British court says | 他们看到每个英国法庭都说 |
| 351 | that we should be deporting this man because he's a paedophile. | 我们应该驱逐这个人 因为他是个恋童癖 |
| 352 | And then the ECHR, a foreign court with foreign judges | 然后是欧洲人权法院,一个外国法院 有外国法官 |
| 353 | in a foreign country tells us, no, that paedophile must stay in Britain. | 在一个外国告诉我们,不, 恋童癖者必须留在英国。 |
| 354 | And people are angry about that. | 人们对此感到愤怒。 |
| 355 | People raise our great flag | 人们升起我们的伟大旗帜 |
| 356 | because they are sick of seeing people unlawfully discriminated against. | 因为他们厌倦了看到被非法歧视的人。 |
| 357 | The RAF in 2023 was found to have unlawfully discriminated | 2023年的资源分配框架被认定为非法歧视 |
| 358 | against white British men. | 对抗英国白人 |
| 359 | The worst-performing kids at school are working-class white boys. | 学校表现最差的孩子是工人阶级的白人男孩. |
| 360 | And yet two of Britain's most prestigious schools, | 然而英国最有名的两所学校 |
| 361 | Westminster College and Dulwich College, | 威斯敏斯特学院和杜尔维奇学院 |
| 362 | refused a donation of £1 million to provide scholarships specifically | 拒绝捐赠100万英镑提供奖学金 |
| 363 | for white British boys from disadvantaged backgrounds. | 给来自不利背景的英国白人男孩 |
| 364 | One of the scholarships, obviously, rightly so, by the way, | 其中一个奖学金,很明显,对了,顺便说一句, |
| 365 | exists for loads of other people. | 对其他人的负载存在。 |
| 366 | People are sick of feeling like they're at the back of the queue | 人们厌倦了自己在排队后面的感觉 |
| 367 | in their own country, right? | 在他们自己的国家,对不对? |
| 368 | So they raise their own country's flag. | 于是举本国旗. |
| 369 | That's not a symbol of division. | 这不是分裂的象征 |
| 370 | If anything, it's actually quite sad when you really think about it. | 如果有的话,你真正思考的时候,其实相当悲伤。 |
| 371 | And I want to make something very clear | 我想说清楚一点 |
| 372 | because I mentioned a couple of things there | 因为我提到了一些事情 |
| 373 | about specifically discrimination against white people. | 对白人的歧视 |
| 374 | Now, I'm not saying at all | 现在,我不是说 |
| 375 | that only white people can be truly English or British. | 只有白人才能成为真正的英国人 |
| 376 | Far from it. | 远曰. |
| 377 | In fact, 18% of the British army are ethnic minorities. | 事实上,英国军队中有18%是少数民族. |
| 378 | About 10% of the British military are from places like Fiji and Nigeria. | 大约10%的英国军队来自斐济和尼日利亚等地. |
| 379 | And let me tell you what. | 让我告诉你 |
| 380 | They find it absolutely hilarious that we have debates like this | 他们觉得我们这样的辩论很可笑 |
| 381 | about our own flag because they bloody love it | 关于我们自己的旗帜 因为他们喜欢它 |
| 382 | and they're willing to fight and die for it. | 他们愿意为此而战和牺牲 |
| 383 | They think it's mental that we do this. | 他们认为我们这样做是精神上的 |
| 384 | And I invite anyone in this room, any one of you, | 我邀请在这个房间里的任何人, 你们中的任何人, |
| 385 | to follow me around for a day. | 跟随我一天。 |
| 386 | Just walk with me. | 跟着我走 |
| 387 | And you see the different nationalities and ethnicities of people | 你可以看到不同的民族和民族 |
| 388 | who come up to me in the street and say, | 在街上来找我说 |
| 389 | we love your show, we love GB News, and we love our flag. | 我们喜欢你的节目,我们爱GB新闻,我们爱我们的旗帜。 |
| 390 | My friends on the opposite side of this debate | 这场辩论的对立面的朋友们 |
| 391 | might point to things like the disorder in the Southport massacre | 可能指向南港大屠杀的混乱 |
| 392 | after the Southport massacre, | 在南港大屠杀之后 |
| 393 | where idiots with the Union Jack burnt down migrant hotels or tried to. | 与联盟杰克的白痴 烧毁或试图。 |
| 394 | And they'll say, oh, there you go. | 他们会说,哦,你去那里。 |
| 395 | There you go. | 给你。 |
| 396 | Your flag is a symbol of division and hate. | 你的旗帜是分裂和仇恨的象征. |
| 397 | Well, these are very often the same people, aren't they? | 他们经常是同一个人 不是吗? |
| 398 | That after we see yet another Islamist terror attack, | 当我们看到另一起伊斯兰恐怖袭击后 |
| 399 | we'll be the first to say, well, it's not all Muslims, don't generalise. | 我们首先会说 不是所有穆斯林,不是一般人 |
| 400 | And they're right about that, of course. | 当然,他们是对的。 |
| 401 | But I'm sorry, chaps, you can't have it both ways. | 对不起,兄弟们,你们不能两边都有 |
| 402 | A few idiots doing bad things whilst waving the British flag | 几个白痴一边挥舞英国国旗一边做坏事 |
| 403 | does not make the flag itself a symbol of division. | 不使旗帜本身成为分裂的象征。 |
| 404 | Now, the people who claim the flag is divisive and racist, right? | 现在,声称旗帜的人是分裂和种族主义的,对不对? |
| 405 | No, sorry, man, I'm not going to get away. | 不,对不起,伙计,我不会离开。 |
| 406 | People who claim their flag is divisive and racist | 自称旗帜的人是分裂和种族主义的 |
| 407 | are the same people, right, who see division everywhere. | 是同一个人,对, 他们看到各地的分裂。 |
| 408 | Let me tell you some things that have been accused of being divisive | 让我告诉你一些被指责是分裂的东西 |
| 409 | or racist in recent years based on academic reports. | 或近年来根据学术报告提出的种族主义。 |
| 410 | Are you ready? | 你准备好了吗? |
| 411 | The entire British countryside, okay? | 整个英国农村,好吗? |
| 412 | I mean, I lived in the Lake District for a couple of years. | 我是说,我在湖区住了几年 |
| 413 | My ethnic minority mates up there will be terrified | 我的少数民族朋友在那里会害怕的 |
| 414 | to find out they've been living in racism, right? | 发现他们一直生活在种族主义之中 对吧? |
| 415 | Then we've got gardening, right? | 然后,我们得到了园艺,对不对? |
| 416 | Gardening is divisive because horticulture has a diversity problem. | 园艺是分裂的,因为园艺有多样性的问题. |
| 417 | Rolling your eyes in the workplace. | 在工作场所摇动你的眼睛。 |
| 418 | Civil servants were advised that rolling their eyes was a form of racism. | 公务员被告知,滚动眼睛是一种种族主义形式。 |
| 419 | Milk, milk, the consumption of milk is linked to privilege. | 牛奶,牛奶,牛奶的消费与特权有关. |
| 420 | Cutlery 我们今晚吃饭时 | |
| 421 | we were actually holding tiny symbols of racial apartheid. | 我们实际上持有 种族种族隔离的微小象征。 |
| 422 | I'll finish in one second. | 我马上完事 |
| 423 | This is my point. | 这就是我的观点。 |
| 424 | The people who see the division of our flag | 看到我们国旗分裂的人们 |
| 425 | are the same people who see division and grievance | 是同一个人,他们看见分裂和怨恨, |
| 426 | in absolutely everything they ever see, right? | 在绝对的一切 他们曾经看到,对不对? |
| 427 | Do you really want to be on their side? | 你真的想站在他们一边吗? |
| 428 | And I'll finish by saying this. | 我会说完的 |
| 429 | When my immigrant grandparents came to England, | 当我的移民祖父母来到英国时 |
| 430 | the Irish ones were greeted not by St. George's crosses on lampposts. | 爱尔兰人不是在灯柱上被圣乔治十字架迎接的 |
| 431 | They were greeted by signs above boarding houses | 他们受到登机牌的欢迎 |
| 432 | that said no blacks, no Irish, no dogs. | 说没有黑人,没有爱尔兰人,没有狗。 |
| 433 | That was divisive. | 这是分裂的。 |
| 434 | That was racist. | 这是种族主义。 |
| 435 | But do you know what they did? | 你知道他们做了什么吗? |
| 436 | They got over it. | 他们克服了它。 |
| 437 | They worked hard. | 他们努力工作。 |
| 438 | They abided by the law of the land. | 他们遵守国法。 |
| 439 | They integrated into British culture. | 他们融入了英国文化. |
| 440 | They gave to this great country, | 他们给了这个伟大的国家, |
| 441 | and this great country gave to them, | 这个伟大的国家赏赐他们, |
| 442 | and that is what our flag represents, | 这就是我们的旗帜代表, |
| 443 | opportunity and fair play. | 机会和公平竞争。 |
| 444 | And when I see that St. George's flag, | 当我看到圣乔治的旗帜, |
| 445 | do you know what I see? | 你知道我看到什么吗? |
| 446 | I see the faces of the young men storming the beaches on D-Day. | 我看到年轻人在D日冲上海滩的面孔。 |
| 447 | I see the Beatles, Oasis, the Rolling Stones. | 我看到披头士,绿洲,滚石队 |
| 448 | 我看到Wordsworth,济慈和莎士比亚。 | |
| 449 | I see Magna Carta. | 我看到大宪章。 |
| 450 | I see Alan Turing cracking the Enigma code. | 我看到艾伦图灵破解了Enigma密码 |
| 451 | I see the beautiful Lake District, the Cotswolds. | 我看到美丽的湖区 科茨沃德家族 |
| 452 | I see England actually winning a penalty shootout, | 我看到英国实际上赢得了一场惩罚性枪战, |
| 453 | 我看到Luke Littler又打了180枪 | |
| 454 | Every one of you in this room, | 你们每一个在这个房间里, |
| 455 | this is your England. | 这是你的英格兰。 |
| 456 | This is our England, | 这是我们的英格兰, |
| 457 | and we can hang our flag wherever we bloody well want to. | 我们可以挂我们的旗帜 无论我们想在哪里。 |
| 458 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 459 | Thank you for your speech, Patrick. | 谢谢你的演讲,帕特里克。 |
| 460 | Next, I would like to invite the second speaker for proposition, | 接着,我请第二位发言者提议: |
| 461 | Lord Woolley, to the floor. | 伍莱大人,到地上 |
| 462 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 463 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 464 | This gentleman here at the back, | 后面这位先生 |
| 465 | leaving the door, | 离开门, |
| 466 | can I ask you to stay for a second, please? | 我能请你留下来一下吗? |
| 467 | Yes. | 对 |
| 468 | Can I ask you to stay for a second? | 我能请你留下来一下吗? |
| 469 | Yes, I want you to stay for one second. | 是的,我要你留下来一秒钟。 |
| 470 | If I may. | 麻烦你 |
| 471 | First and foremost, | 首先是, |
| 472 | can I thank Patrick for that GMB news rant? | 能谢谢帕特里克的GMB新闻吗? |
| 473 | No surprise. | 无惊无怪. |
| 474 | It's one of the reasons I don't watch that channel. | 这是我不看那个频道的原因之一 |
| 475 | Look, look, I'm a child. | 听着,我还是个孩子 |
| 476 | I'm a child of the 1960s and 70s. | 我是一个1960年代和70年代的孩子. |
| 477 | When there was extreme racism on our streets with the skinheads, | 当我们在街上和光头党发生极端种族主义时 |
| 478 | and the skinheads would go into my communities in Leicester, | 光头党会进入莱斯特我的社区 |
| 479 | where Asians from Uganda and Kenya had arrived, | 来自乌干达和肯尼亚的亚洲人抵达的地方, |
| 480 | and they would go with their jack boots, | 他们将带着他们的大靴子去, |
| 481 | looking for people of color, | 寻找有色人种, |
| 482 | for no other reason than the color of their skin | 除了皮肤的颜色之外 |
| 483 | to knock them to the ground. | 击倒他们。 |
| 484 | I remember as an eight-year-old, | 我记得是八岁的孩子 |
| 485 | eight-year-old on my council estate, | 八岁在我的议会庄园, |
| 486 | and I saw these skinheads chase a Sikh man. | 我看到这些光头党追逐一个锡克人。 |
| 487 | I didn't know that he was a Sikh man, | 我不知道他是一个锡克人, |
| 488 | but I know, I remember he had a turban, | 但我知道 我记得他戴着头巾 |
| 489 | eight-year-old kid, | 八岁的孩子, |
| 490 | and I saw this gang of skinheads knock him to the ground. | 我看见一群光头党把他打倒了 |
| 491 | And to this day, | 时至今日, |
| 492 | I remember that image of this man slumped to the ground | 我记得那个男人的形象 倒在地上 |
| 493 | with blood streaming from his turban | 他头巾上的血流成河 |
| 494 | by the level of racism that I didn't think | 以我没想到的种族主义程度 |
| 495 | that I would see in 2024 or 2025. | 我将会在2024年或2025年看到。 |
| 496 | Not only are we seeing that level of extreme racism, | 我们不仅看到这种极端的种族主义, |
| 497 | I would argue it's potentially getting worse, | 我会说,它可能越来越糟糕, |
| 498 | because the thing back then | 因为那个时候的事 |
| 499 | is that those skinheads in jack boots were a tiny minority. | 那些穿J型靴子的光头党是少数 |
| 500 | They had no political power. | 他们没有政治权力。 |
| 501 | Yes, we were scared of them. | 是的,我们害怕他们。 |
| 502 | Today's discourse, today's narrative | 今天的谈话,今天的叙述 |
| 503 | is actually potentially much, much worse. | 可能更严重 |
| 504 | I'm going to be honest with you. | 直饶佛言. |
| 505 | I don't care about this debate. | 我不管这场辩论 |
| 506 | No, I don't. | 不,我没有。 |
| 507 | No, you can laugh because you think it's a joke. | 不,你可以笑 因为你认为这是个笑话。 |
| 508 | That's why you're laughing. | 故曰大笑. 师曰. |
| 509 | I don't think it's a joke. | 亦不以为笑. |
| 510 | I don't care about the debate. | 我不在乎辩论 |
| 511 | I don't care whether we win or whether we lose. | 我不管我们赢还是输 |
| 512 | I do care about you. | 我真的很关心你 |
| 513 | I care about all of you. | 我关心你们所有人 |
| 514 | I care about our society | 我关心我们的社会 |
| 515 | and where we're going with this. | 以及我们要去的地方 |
| 516 | I was speaking to one or two of you in the bar, | 我在酒吧跟一两个人说话 |
| 517 | and the reason why I didn't want this gentleman to go, | 还有为什么我不想让这位先生去 |
| 518 | please stand up, please stand up, please stand up, | 请站起来,请站起来,请站起来, |
| 519 | please stand up, because we had a conversation. | 请站起来,因为我们有谈话。 |
| 520 | We had a conversation. | 我们谈过了 |
| 521 | His family are from Birmingham, | 他的家人来自伯明翰 |
| 522 | and I said, why are you here? | 我说,你为什么在这里? |
| 523 | He said, because this is important to me. | 他说,因为这对我很重要。 |
| 524 | I said, why is it important to you? | 我说,为什么这对你很重要? |
| 525 | He said to me, when I walk around, | 他说,当我走来走去, |
| 526 | when I walk around the place where I live in Birmingham, | 当我在伯明翰住的地方散步时 |
| 527 | and I see the flags, | 我看到了旗帜, |
| 528 | and I see the people putting up the flags, | 我看到人们竖起旗帜, |
| 529 | I'm fearful. | 我很担心 |
| 530 | I'm fearful of what I see and what I feel. | 我害怕我所见所闻 |
| 531 | I'm telling you, whether you want to listen or not, | 我告诉你,无论你想不想听, |
| 532 | when we discuss this debate, | 当我们讨论这场辩论时, |
| 533 | the House believes the flag has become a symbol of division. | 众议院认为国旗已经成为分裂的象征. |
| 534 | It's non-negotiable. | 不可商议. |
| 535 | It is divisive. | 这是分裂的。 |
| 536 | It is so in fear. | 它是如此的恐惧。 |
| 537 | That's not the argument here today | 今天的争论不是这样的 |
| 538 | about whether the flag is so in fear. | 关于国旗是否如此恐惧。 |
| 539 | It is. | 没错 |
| 540 | It might not be for you, | 可能不是为了你 |
| 541 | because you are not at the end of the abuse. | 因为你不是在虐待的尽头。 |
| 542 | You are not at the end of the violent, the violent, | 你不是在暴力,暴力的尽头, |
| 543 | you're not at the end of the violent attacks. | 你还没到暴力攻击的尽头 |
| 544 | But for people like us who were born here, | 但对于我们这样的人 出生在这里, |
| 545 | whose parents fought in the two world wars | 他们的父母在两次世界大战中 |
| 546 | and sacrificed their lives so we could be, | 并牺牲了他们的性命 以便我们能 |
| 547 | so we could belong, | 这样我们才能归属 |
| 548 | let me tell you, Patrick, | 我告诉你,帕特里克, |
| 549 | a flag has no fixed moral content. | 旗帜没有固定的道德内容。 |
| 550 | It is not born virtuous or corrupt, | 这不是生来善恶的, |
| 551 | inclusive or exclusionary. | 包容性或排斥性。 |
| 552 | A flag is a symbol whose meaning is neither neutral nor permanent, | 旗帜是象征,其含义既不中立,也不永久, |
| 553 | but constructed by those who raise it | 却由创造者建造, |
| 554 | and enforced by those who wield it. | 由管理它的人执行。 |
| 555 | Across history, the same symbol has carried radically different meanings | 在历史上,同一个符号 有着完全不同的意义 |
| 556 | depending on context, intention and power. | 取决于背景、意图和权力。 |
| 557 | My friends, the swastika remains, | 我的朋友们 纳粹的遗迹 |
| 558 | don't sigh, Patrick, | 别叹气,帕特里克, |
| 559 | the swastika remains a sacred sign within Hinduism. | 在印度教中,纳粹党仍然是神圣的标志。 |
| 560 | Buddhism and Sikhism. | 佛教与锡克教. |
| 561 | In Nazi Germany, it became a banner of racial supremacy. | 在纳粹德国,它成为了种族至上主义的旗帜. |
| 562 | Today in Europe, it is an emblem inseparable from genocide and mass murder. | 今天在欧洲,它是种族灭绝和大规模屠杀不可分割的标志。 |
| 563 | The symbol did not change on its own. | 该符号没有自行改变. |
| 564 | Its use did. | 使用过 |
| 565 | Remember that, Patrick. | 记住,帕特里克。 |
| 566 | This is the first principle we must be clear about. | 这是我们必须明确阐述的第一项原则。 |
| 567 | Flags do not act. | 旗帜不行动。 |
| 568 | People act through flags. | 人们通过旗帜行事。 |
| 569 | They're instruments, not agents. | 他们是乐器,不是特工。 |
| 570 | They can express religious identity, civic belonging and solidarity. | 他们可以表达宗教身份、公民归属和团结。 |
| 571 | They can also signal domination, exclusion and threat. | 它们也可能表明统治、排斥和威胁。 |
| 572 | Their ethical meaning is not intrinsic, but imposed. | 他们的道德意义不是内在的,而是强加的。 |
| 573 | This brings us to the English flag. | 这给我们带来了英国国旗。 |
| 574 | The flag of St. George does not exist outside history | 圣乔治的旗帜不存在于历史之外 |
| 575 | and its history is not neutral. | 它的历史不是中立的。 |
| 576 | Whilst it has a long association with English identity and sport, | 虽然它与英国身份和运动有着长期的联系, |
| 577 | its modern political life has been deeply checkered. | 它的现代政治生活受到深刻的制约。 |
| 578 | In the late 20th century and early 21st centuries, | 在20世纪末和21世纪初, |
| 579 | it was systematically adopted by extremists, | 它被极端分子系统采用, |
| 580 | most notably the British National Party | 最显著的是英国国民党 |
| 581 | whose explicit aim was to redefine Englishness along racial grounds. | 其明确目的是根据种族理由重新定义英语。 |
| 582 | This is not incidental branding. | 这不是偶然的品牌。 |
| 583 | It's a strategic capture of a national symbol | 这是国家标志的战略捕捉 |
| 584 | to make exclusion look patriotic. | 让排斥看起来爱国。 |
| 585 | For years, many people avoided the flag altogether, | 多年来,许多人完全避开了国旗 |
| 586 | not because they rejected England, | 不是因为他们拒绝英国, |
| 587 | but because they recognized symbols acquire meaning through repeated use. | 因为它们的识别符号通过重复使用获得意义. |
| 588 | This particular symbol has been repeatedly deployed | 这个特定的符号被多次部署 |
| 589 | to draw lines between who belongs and who doesn't. | 在属于谁和不属于谁之间划线。 |
| 590 | What makes the present moment distinct | 是什么使 现今的瞬间 |
| 591 | and ladies and gentlemen, brothers and sisters, more dangerous? | 女士们先生们,兄弟姐妹们, 更危险? |
| 592 | It's not simply that this English flag is visible again, | 不仅仅是这面英国国旗又显眼了 |
| 593 | but how and where it's being used and by whom. | 但是它是如何和在哪里被使用 被谁使用。 |
| 594 | Today, the flag is flown not sporadically, but vociferously | 今天,旗帜不是零星的,而是强烈的 |
| 595 | by political parties positioning themselves as governments in waiting, | 由自称政府等待的政党, |
| 596 | by street movements and in everyday public spaces across the country | 街头运动和全国日常公共场所 |
| 597 | at a scale we've never seen before. | 我们从来没有见过的尺度。 |
| 598 | This is not quite ambiguous. | 这一点并不十分含糊。 |
| 599 | No, no, take that. | 不,不,拿着 |
| 600 | Take some of your own medicine. | 吃点你自己的药吧 |
| 601 | No, this is real. | 不,这是真的。 |
| 602 | It's not a joke. | 这不是一个笑话。 |
| 603 | It's about people's lives. | 是为众生. |
| 604 | It's about who we are. | 而是我们是谁 |
| 605 | It's about who can belong. | 这是关于谁可以归属。 |
| 606 | We're no longer dealing with cold dog whistling | 我们不再处理冷狗口哨 |
| 607 | as one commentator on the hard right Douglas Cardwell put. | 作为一位评论家, 道格拉斯·卡德威尔(Douglas Cardwell)说的很强硬。 |
| 608 | Put it in chilling clarity. | 放入清凉. |
| 609 | Hear this and hear me good. | 听听这个,听我的好。 |
| 610 | His lot. | 他的地盘。 |
| 611 | From Epping to the sea, let's make England Abdul free. | 从伊平到大海,让我们让英国阿卜杜勒自由. |
| 612 | The shock of such statements once lay bare the brazenness. | 这种言论的震撼一度暴露了傲慢。 |
| 613 | There was paradoxically a moment of grim relief | 矛盾的是,有那么一瞬间 出现了严峻的解脱 |
| 614 | when figures like this said the quiet part out loud | 当像这样的数字 说出安静的部分 大声 |
| 615 | because it confirmed that unease many felt was not imagined. | 因为它证实 许多人的不安是无法想象的 |
| 616 | This expression is now turbocharged. | 这个表达式现在被涡轮充电. |
| 617 | In 2025, Matthew Goodwin responded to the Huntington train stabbings | 2025年,马修·古德温(Matthew Goodwin)回应亨廷顿列车的刺杀事件. |
| 618 | on blaming mass-controlled immigration. | 怪罪大众控制的移民 |
| 619 | When confronted with the fact that the suspected perpetrator was British, | 当面对犯罪嫌疑人是英国人的事实时, |
| 620 | his response was telling, so were all the 7-7 bombers, | 他的回答是, 所有7 -7轰炸机, |
| 621 | so were all the 7-7 bombers. | 所有7 -7轰炸机也一样 |
| 622 | It takes more than a piece of paper to make somebody British. | 做一个英国人需要不止一张纸 |
| 623 | This sentence, not because this sentence matters, | 这个句子,不是因为这个句子很重要, |
| 624 | not because it's crude, but because it's precise. | 不是因为它很粗糙 而是因为它很精确 |
| 625 | I'll be a second, please. | 请稍等 |
| 626 | What is proposed here is a definition of belonging | 这里提出的是归属的定义 |
| 627 | that sits above the law, above citizenship, | 凌驾于法律之上,凌驾于公民身份之上, |
| 628 | and above the democratic equality. | 超越民主平等。 |
| 629 | Britishness is no longer a civic status, it's an essence. | 英国性不再是一种公民地位,而是一种本质. |
| 630 | Something felt, judged, conferred by those who claim authority to define a nation. | 某种感觉,据判断,是那些声称有权界定一个国家的人赋予的。 |
| 631 | The boundary of political community is shifted from institutions to identity. | 政治界的界限从机构转变为身份。 |
| 632 | This is where the flag becomes most dangerous. | 这里的旗帜变得最危险. |
| 633 | I have to leave it there, but I implore you, | 我必须把它留在那 但我恳求你 |
| 634 | I implore you to take this seriously. | 我恳求你认真对待这件事 |
| 635 | If we get this wrong, we will sleepwalk into fascism. | 如果我们搞错了,我们会梦游法西斯主义。 |
| 636 | We will sleepwalk into electing a government | 我们会梦游选举一个政府 |
| 637 | who will not see me as British, will not see you, or you, or you. | 谁不会把我看成英国人, 也不会看到你,或你,或你。 |
| 638 | We must not let the flag divide us. | 我们决不能让旗帜分裂我们。 |
| 639 | We're better than that, we're better than him. | 我们比他好,我们比他好 |
| 640 | We're better, we're better, we're better than that. | 吾人之精气,精气之精气,精气之精气. |
| 641 | I'm going to show you how we're better. | 我会告诉你我们有多好。 |
| 642 | I'm going to show you what leadership looks like, | 我要告诉你什么是领导者, |
| 643 | how we behave, how we conduct ourselves. | 我们的行为,我们的行为。 |
| 644 | Patrick, stand up. | 帕特里克,站起来。 |
| 645 | Please stand up. | 请起立 |
| 646 | Please, please. | 请,请。 |
| 647 | Here we go. | 开始了 |
| 648 | Shake my hand. | 握着我的手 |
| 649 | Yeah, of course. | 当然 |
| 650 | Shake my hand. | 握着我的手 |
| 651 | And you see, look, look, look. | 你看,看,看,看,看。 |
| 652 | No, no, no, no, this is important. | 不,不,不,不,这很重要。 |
| 653 | I'm telling you what it is. | 我告诉你是什么。 |
| 654 | You know, we were at dinner a minute ago. | 我们刚才在吃晚饭 |
| 655 | We got on really well. | 我们相处得很好 |
| 656 | No, no, no. | 不,不,没有。 |
| 657 | There's no big difference, is it? | 没有什么大区别,是吗? |
| 658 | No, it's not. | 不,这不是。 |
| 659 | We got on really well, and now we've started on this. | 我们相处得很好,现在我们开始了。 |
| 660 | No, no, it's not that, because this is truly important. | 不,不,不是那样的,因为这很重要。 |
| 661 | This is truly important to understand the issues, | 这对理解问题非常重要, |
| 662 | because I don't want people like us, | 因为我不希望像我们这样的人 |
| 663 | one white, one black, listen to me, listen to me, | 一个白人 一个黑人 听我说 听我说 |
| 664 | listen to me well, not to be divided. | 听我的好,不要被分裂。 |
| 665 | And at the moment, the flag is doing that, | 而现在,旗帜正在这样做, |
| 666 | and we have to stop it. | 我们必须阻止它。 |
| 667 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 668 | All right. | 好吧,我们走。 |
| 669 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 670 | Next, I would like to do some floor speeches. | 接下来,我想做一些发言。 |
| 671 | I would like to call upon a member of the audience, | 我想请一位听众发言, |
| 672 | yes, for side proposition, if there's anyone | 是的,如果有的话 |
| 673 | that wants to speak in favor of the motion. | 他想发言支持动议。 |
| 674 | Gosh, well, I think it's been alluded to | 天哪,我想有人提到过 |
| 675 | on this side of the house already, | 在房子的这边已经, |
| 676 | but I think we've talked about it enough, maybe. | 但我认为我们已经谈够了,也许。 |
| 677 | In 2024, we had some truly extraordinary scenes | 2024年,我们有一些非常特别的场景 |
| 678 | in this country. | 在这个国家。 |
| 679 | The members of our right-wing political parties, | 我们的右翼政党成员, |
| 680 | and maybe even our left-wing political parties, | 甚至我们的左翼政党, |
| 681 | don't like to talk about it enough. | 不喜欢谈论它足够。 |
| 682 | I'm from Stoke-on-Trent, which is in the West Midlands, | 我来自西中部的斯托克特伦特 |
| 683 | which is a pretty diverse area. | 这是一个相当多样化的领域。 |
| 684 | We've got a lot of people from different backgrounds. | 我们有很多来自不同背景的人. |
| 685 | I used to have a job working in a GP surgery | 我以前在GP手术室工作 |
| 686 | in the center of the city, and there was one day | 在市中心, 有一天, |
| 687 | in the middle of 2024 where I couldn't go and get lunch, | 2024年中 我无法去吃午饭 |
| 688 | because right down the central street was a hate march, | 因为就在中央大街上是仇恨游行 |
| 689 | an anti-racist protest, one of these asylum-seeker protests, | 一次反种族主义的抗议,这些寻求庇护者的抗议之一, |
| 690 | and there was an anti-group that came and met them | 并有一个反团体 来了并遇到了他们 |
| 691 | in the middle of the street. | 在街道中间。 |
| 692 | And the gentlemen on the other side, | 而另一边的先生们 |
| 693 | on the pro-racist side, draped themselves in flags. | 在支持种族主义的一方,用旗帜涂抹自己。 |
| 694 | And the opposition tonight hasn't actually addressed | 而今晚的反对派 还没有真正解决 |
| 695 | the crux of this issue. | 问题的关键。 |
| 696 | The motion is not, I think the English flag is great. | 动议不是 我想英国国旗很棒 |
| 697 | The motion is not, I believe the English flag | 动议不是,我想是英国国旗 |
| 698 | should be this thing. | 应该是这个东西。 |
| 699 | The motion is the English flag has become a symbol of division. | 运动是英国国旗成为分裂的象征. |
| 700 | That is irrefutably true. | 这是无可辩驳的。 |
| 701 | How can it not be the case when people who hate people | 恨别人的人怎么会这样 |
| 702 | who look like me, when people who hate people | 他们长得像我,当人们讨厌别人 |
| 703 | who look like the gentlemen on this side of the house, | 谁看起来像先生们 在房子的这边, |
| 704 | who think that no matter where my parents were born | 他们认为无论我父母在哪里出生 |
| 705 | or the fact that I only speak English, | 或者我只说英语, |
| 706 | or the fact that I wouldn't be able to live. | 或者我无法活下去 |
| 707 | Yes. | 对 |
| 708 | As has been mentioned, that was just an anomaly | 如前所述,这只是一个反常现象 |
| 709 | what happened in the riots. | 暴乱中发生的事 |
| 710 | Is it relevant that the Nigel Farage platform Lucy Connolly, | 奈杰尔·法拉奇平台 露西·康诺利 |
| 711 | one of the people that told people to go burn down hotels | 一个叫人去烧旅馆的人 |
| 712 | full of refugees, burn them alive is now the party | 满载难民,活活烧死他们 现在党 |
| 713 | that's most likely to become the next government. | 最有可能成为下届政府。 |
| 714 | So it's not just an isolated incident. | 所以这不仅仅是一个孤立的事件。 |
| 715 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 716 | That is an extraordinary thing to happen. | 这是一件不寻常的事情。 |
| 717 | Just to be clear, I don't necessarily even think | 说清楚,我甚至不认为 |
| 718 | she should have gone to Britain. | 她应该去英国的 |
| 719 | I think some of our laws on online speech are questionable. | 我认为我们有关网络言论的一些法律值得怀疑. |
| 720 | But what she said was, burn them all, burn them all. | 但她说的是,烧了他们,烧了他们 |
| 721 | I don't care if that makes me racist or not. | 我不在乎这是否让我种族主义。 |
| 722 | And she told the Court of Appeal, | 她告诉上诉法院, |
| 723 | I am racist. | 我是种族主义者。 |
| 724 | She said it to the Court of Appeal. | 她向上诉法院说过。 |
| 725 | And Reform UK put them on stage at their party, | 改革英国 让他们在他们的党, |
| 726 | put her on stage at their party conference | 让她在派对上登台 |
| 727 | and lauded her like a hero. | 并像英雄一样称赞她 |
| 728 | So when the next election comes around, | 所以下次选举的时候 |
| 729 | when we discuss politics, when we discuss this motion, | 当我们讨论政治, 当我们讨论这个动议, |
| 730 | there is a fundamental question | 有一个根本的问题 |
| 731 | about what you think this country is. | 关于你认为这个国家是什么。 |
| 732 | Is it progressive? | 是进步吗? |
| 733 | Is it fair? | 公平吗? |
| 734 | Is it liberal? | 自由吗? |
| 735 | Does it embrace people of all colors? | 它能容纳各种颜色的人吗? |
| 736 | Or is it what they want? | 还是他们想要的? |
| 737 | Where we will always be slightly less than, | 在那里,我们永远会略微少于, |
| 738 | where they will wave the flag in opposition to us | 在那里,他们会挥舞旗帜反对我们 |
| 739 | and not in defense of an idea. | 而不是为一个想法辩护 |
| 740 | So I know which side of the house I'm on tonight, | 所以我知道我今晚住哪一边 |
| 741 | and I hope you do too. | 我希望你也这样做。 |
| 742 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 743 | Anyone that wants to speak for opposition? | 有谁想表达反对吗? |
| 744 | Maybe the gentleman in the back. | 也许后面那个绅士 |
| 745 | Madam President, thank you for having me. | 总统女士 谢谢你邀请我 |
| 746 | Just to make clear, I do not sympathize | 说清楚,我不同情 |
| 747 | and I do not condone a lot of the statements | 我不原谅很多的言论 |
| 748 | that have been made by the gentleman behind me | 由我身后那位绅士制作 |
| 749 | and their friends. | 还有他们的朋友 |
| 750 | But I want to make clear that I think we shouldn't accept | 但我想说明 我觉得我们不应该接受 |
| 751 | that the flag has become a symbol of division. | 国旗已经成为分裂的象征 |
| 752 | The motion put forward to the House today, | 今天向众议院提出的动议 |
| 753 | it lies and it's based on two words, | 谎言和它基于两个词, |
| 754 | has become. | 已经变成了。 |
| 755 | Okay, so there are two things that come with this. | 好吧,所以有两件事 伴随着这个。 |
| 756 | One, that the flag was always a symbol of division | 第一,国旗永远是分裂的象征 |
| 757 | for reasons like colonialism, empire, etc. | 由于殖民主义,帝国等原因. |
| 758 | If we accept this, the flag was always | 如果我们接受这一点, 旗帜总是 |
| 759 | and always will be a symbol of division. | 永远是分裂的象征 |
| 760 | But that's not what we're arguing, | 但我们不是在争论这个 |
| 761 | because that means it hasn't become a symbol of division, | 因为这意味着它还没有成为分裂的象征, |
| 762 | it always was one. | 它总是一个。 |
| 763 | So that means the motion is factually false. | 也就是说动议是虚假的 |
| 764 | And if we accept that the division is recent, | 如果我们承认这个组织是最近才成立的 |
| 765 | then it's not because the flag itself has changed, | 那不是因为国旗本身变了 |
| 766 | it's because a vocal minority of extremists | 是因为少数极端主义分子的声音 |
| 767 | have taken the flag and used it as a symbol | 已经拿下旗帜,用它作为象征 |
| 768 | to try and divide us. | 试图分裂我们。 |
| 769 | By accepting this motion, the proposition, | 通过接受这个动议,这个提议, |
| 770 | they've accepted that the English flag is no longer ours, | 他们承认英国国旗不再是我们的了 |
| 771 | that it's merely a symbol of division, | 这只是分裂的象征, |
| 772 | that we should trash it. | 我们应该把它丢掉。 |
| 773 | Criminals also drive cars. | 罪犯还开车。 |
| 774 | We do not stop driving cars to spite them. | 我们不会停止驾驶汽车来反抗他们。 |
| 775 | In like manner, we do not trash the English flag. | 同样的,我们不浪费英国国旗。 |
| 776 | We make it our own. | 我们自己做 |
| 777 | We wash it clean with diversity, with inclusivity. | 我们用多样性和包容性洗净它。 |
| 778 | If we accept that the English flag has become | 如果我们接受英国国旗已经变成 |
| 779 | a symbol of division, we're giving up. | 我们要放弃分裂的象征 |
| 780 | We're letting them win. | 我们要让他们赢 |
| 781 | And I've seen the danger of this logic. | 我见过这种逻辑的危险。 |
| 782 | As a proud Brit and a proud Ethiopian, | 作为一个骄傲的英国人和骄傲的埃塞俄比亚人, |
| 783 | in the 90s, the Ethiopian state banned and stigmatised our tri-colour, | 90年代,埃塞俄比亚国家禁止 并污蔑我们的三色, |
| 784 | the green, yellow and red tri-colour. | 绿,黄,红三色. |
| 785 | A very symbol of Pan-Africanism. | 泛非洲主义的象征 |
| 786 | So many countries, they use the same colours as us. | 如此之多的国家,它们使用与我们相同的颜色. |
| 787 | And they banned it because they feared that it was divisive. | 他们禁止它,因为他们怕它分裂。 |
| 788 | They put an impression that it created a symbol of division. | 他们给人的印象是,它创造了分裂的象征. |
| 789 | But by doing that, they created the thing that they claimed to fear. | 但通过这样做,他们创造了他们声称害怕的东西. |
| 790 | And what I want to ask the House today is to oppose this motion. | 我今天想问的是众议院反对这个动议。 |
| 791 | Why we do not want to let them win. | 我们为什么不让他们赢呢? |
| 792 | Do not concede. | 不要承认。 |
| 793 | Do not capitulate. | 别投降。 |
| 794 | Do not let racism win. | 不要让种族主义获胜。 |
| 795 | I urge this House not to make this same mistake today. | 我敦促大会今天不要犯同样的错误。 |
| 796 | I urge this House to oppose the motion. | 我敦促本院反对这项动议。 |
| 797 | Next, I would like to invite Mr Bowie to the floor. | 接下来,我请博伊先生发言。 |
| 798 | Thank you very much, Madam President. | 非常感谢你,主席女士。 |
| 799 | It's a great pleasure to rise to oppose the motion before us this evening. | 我很高兴今晚能起身反对这个动议 |
| 800 | I have to admit, though, getting up here, having been attacked by Femi on that side | 但我不得不承认,我爬到这儿来 被Femi袭击了那边 |
| 801 | for being part of the government that introduced Brexit and then being attacked by my own side | 因为是政府的一部分 引进布雷克西特 然后被我攻击 |
| 802 | for being part of the cosy, liberal establishment that questions our culture. | 成为温和自由主义 质疑我们文化的一部分 |
| 803 | I do wonder quite why I did make the trip up from London today. | 我很想知道为什么我今天从伦敦出发 |
| 804 | And indeed, you may be confused because I was thinking to myself as a Scot why I decided | 事实上,你可能很困惑 因为我在想自己是苏格兰人 |
| 805 | to put myself through an evening in Oxford debating a motion on English identity and nationhood. | 让自己度过一个晚上 在牛津辩论 关于英国身份和建国的动议。 |
| 806 | I am a Scot despite being Conservative. | 虽然我是保守派,但我还是苏格兰人。 |
| 807 | We do exist. | 我们确实存在。 |
| 808 | We actually do exist still. | 我们确实存在。 |
| 809 | I was born in Scotland, educated in Scotland and I now have the immense privilege to represent | 我出生在苏格兰,在苏格兰受过教育 现在我拥有巨大的特权代表 |
| 810 | the North East of Scotland in the House of Commons. | 苏格兰东北部的下议院。 |
| 811 | I happen to believe I represent the best part of the best bit of the United Kingdom | 我恰巧相信 我代表着英国最好的部分 |
| 812 | in our Houses of Parliament. | 我们的议会大厦。 |
| 813 | But I am also a Brit and I'm proud to be so. | 但我也是个英国人,我很自豪 |
| 814 | Tonight I speak to you here in Oxford University in one of the great | 今晚我在牛津大学跟你说话 在一个伟大的 |
| 815 | educational establishments of the world, in this historic union, a globally recognised, | 世界上的教育机构,在这个历史联盟中,是一个全球公认的, |
| 816 | international but decidedly British institution. | 具有国际性但决定性的英国机构。 |
| 817 | I'm not talking to a foreign centre of academic excellence and research as international diverse | 我不是在跟外国的学术和研究中心 说国际多样性 |
| 818 | as this audience quite clearly is this evening. | 很明显,今晚是观众们 |
| 819 | I'm at home in my country speaking the common language we all share with the values, | 我在家乡 讲着我们共同的价值观 |
| 820 | courtesies we all recognise in a manner befitting the democratic principles we know and defend. | 我们都以适合我们所了解和捍卫的民主原则的方式认识到礼遇。 |
| 821 | Our values, our language and our democracy. | 我们的价值观、语言和民主。 |
| 822 | That for me is the greatness of our country, of the United Kingdom. | 对我来说,这就是我国、联合王国的伟大。 |
| 823 | The British, a hot porch of backgrounds and identities with shared values. | 英国人 有着共同价值的背景和身份的热门门 |
| 824 | We can be proud Scots, Welsh, Northern Irish, English. | 我们可以骄傲的苏格兰人,威尔士人,北爱尔兰人,英国人. |
| 825 | We can be proud Londoners or Aberdonians, Muslims, Christians. | 我们可以骄傲的伦敦人或亚伯多尼亚人,穆斯林,基督徒. |
| 826 | We can be a mixture of all of the above. | 我们可以是以上所有事物的混合体。 |
| 827 | Proud of whatever constituent part of the United Kingdom you come from, proud of its history, | 为你来自英国的 任何部分感到骄傲 为其历史感到自豪 |
| 828 | its heritage and its flag and still be British. | 它的遗产和旗帜 仍然是英国人 |
| 829 | That is the beauty of our brilliantly confused melting pot of a country. | 这就是我们明目张胆地混淆一个国家的熔炉的美丽之处。 |
| 830 | And so what happens in England, how people feel about England, how the English feel about England, | 在英国发生的事 人们对英国的感受 英国人对英国的感受 |
| 831 | its institutions, its symbols, its place in the world, matters not just to the English | 其机构,其象征,其在世界中的地位,不仅对英国人很重要 |
| 832 | but to all of us who share a home on these islands. | 但对于我们所有在这些岛上拥有家园的人来说 |
| 833 | Consequently, when people begin to ask whether the flag of St George, the flag of England, | 因此,当人们开始问 圣乔治的旗帜,英国的旗帜, |
| 834 | has become a symbol of division, it is incumbent on all of us on these islands to sit up and take note. | 成为分裂的象征,我们这些岛屿上的所有人都有义务坐立不安。 |
| 835 | Because this speaks to me of a country that is not at peace with itself or its traditions. | 因为这让我想到一个与自身及其传统不和的国家。 |
| 836 | Now I am clear in my mind the English flag is not today a symbol of division. | 现在我很清楚,今天的英国国旗不是分裂的象征。 |
| 837 | Now that's not to say that it hasn't been in the past nor might it become in the future. | 现在,这并不是说它没有过去,将来也不会变成现在. |
| 838 | And that, my friends, is something that you must guard against, fight against. | 朋友们,这是你们必须防守的,与战的。 |
| 839 | For the language of extremes, the language of politics of division, of nationalism, | 对于极端语言,政治 分裂,民族主义, |
| 840 | will seek to capture flags and symbols and claim them as their own. | 将试图捕捉旗帜和符号,并声称它们是自己的。 |
| 841 | You only need to look at what happened north of the border during the referendum on Scottish | 你只需要看看在苏格兰公投期间 在边境北部发生的事情 |
| 842 | independence in 2014 to see how the separatists attempt to take ownership of the saltire, | 2014年独立,看看分离主义者如何试图夺取咸水区的所有权, |
| 843 | draping over bridges, along roadsides, as if to demonstrate that those who were voting yes | 在桥梁上,在路边,仿佛在证明投票者赞成 |
| 844 | to breaking out of the United Kingdom had more of a claim to it than those proud Scots | 与那些骄傲的苏格兰人相比, |
| 845 | who saw a better future for Scotland as a part of the United Kingdom. | 他看到了苏格兰作为联合王国一部分的更美好未来。 |
| 846 | This was new for Scotland. | 这对苏格兰来说是新的 |
| 847 | Many felt deeply uncomfortable. | 许多人感到非常不舒服。 |
| 848 | For unlike England, Scots, of whatever political persuasion, | 与英格兰不同的是 苏格兰人 不论政治信仰如何 |
| 849 | had always united behind the flag of St Andrew, had never for one moment considered | 一直团结在圣安德鲁的旗帜后面 从来没有考虑过 |
| 850 | that it might be the preserve of a political faction or a certain view. | 可能是一个政治派别或某种观点的特权。 |
| 851 | Indeed it always struck us as odd, up north of the border, | 实际上,它总是袭击我们 像奇怪,在边境北部, |
| 852 | the English never had the same comfortable relationship or view of their flag, the red | 英国人从来没有同样的 舒适的关系或观点 他们的旗帜,红色 |
| 853 | and white of St George. | 和圣乔治的白色。 |
| 854 | When I was a child watching sports or national events, | 当我还是个孩子看体育或国家赛事时, |
| 855 | to see the English flag waved in support was a very, very rare thing indeed. | 看到英国国旗挥舞支持 确实非常非常罕见 |
| 856 | As late as Italian 1990, when I was just three, the predominant flag being waved or | 早在1990年,当我刚刚三岁时, 主导旗帜被挥动或 |
| 857 | worn by supporters of Bobby Robson's boys who came so almost a bit too close to winning, | 被Bobby Robson的手下的支持者 穿的,他们来得太近了 |
| 858 | wasn't the red and white of St George, it was the red, white and blue of the Union flag. | 不是圣乔治的红白 是联盟旗帜的红白蓝 |
| 859 | In the 80s and the early 90s, whereas at Cardiff Arms or at Murrayfield or at Hamden, | 80年代和90年代初 在卡迪夫军火公司 或默里菲尔德或哈姆登 |
| 860 | where the Dragon or the Saltire were the only flags in evidence, at Twickenham or Wembley, | 在特威肯汉姆和温布利 龙或盐蒂尔是唯一有证据的旗帜 |
| 861 | the English flag was scarcely, if ever, seen. | 英国国旗几乎看不到 |
| 862 | Even the colours of the England football team, | 甚至英格兰足球队的颜色 |
| 863 | not red and white, which is the flag, but red, white and blue. | 不是红白,而是红,白和蓝 |
| 864 | There are of course deep-rooted and historical reasons for this, England being the largest | 当然有根深蒂固的历史原因 英国是最大的 |
| 865 | and dominant partner, therefore most comfortable constituent part of the United Kingdom being one. | 以及主导伙伴,因此,最舒适的联合王国组成部分是其中之一。 |
| 866 | The reason that so few fans of English sporting teams carried the flag of their country back then | 当时英国体育队的球迷 很少举起国旗 |
| 867 | was because it had, over a period of 30 or so years, become associated with a certain | 因为它在30年左右的时间内 与某个人建立了联系 |
| 868 | view, become associated with the national front, with the far right. | 视界,与民族战线,极右翼联系在一起。 |
| 869 | Italian 1990 was only nine years after the bricks and race riots and played out in a | 意大利1990年在砖头和种族暴动之后仅9年 |
| 870 | midst of serious debate about football hooliganism that had more than a whiff of racism about it. | 关于足球流氓主义的激烈争论中, |
| 871 | But from that, yes of course. | 当然可以 |
| 872 | There is a reason why I had to paint on this t-shirt, because it's impossible to find an | 我不得不在这件T恤上画画是有原因的 因为不可能找到 |
| 873 | 英国国旗,在Asda,Supermarket等地的英国T恤,可能是因为 | |
| 874 | reason. | 理由,我说, |
| 875 | So the reason you're using about how England players didn't use to wear the flag | 所以你用英国球员 不戴国旗的原因 |
| 876 | because it became that symbol, that appears to be the case today because it's difficult to find it now. | 因为现在很难找到它,所以今天就出现了 |
| 877 | Well I think if you have some patience I'll explain why it's not the case today, | 如果你有耐心的话 我会解释为什么今天没有 |
| 878 | and I hope I will convince you, Femi, to change your mind on whether or not it's a symbol of | 我希望我能说服你 Femi 改变你的想法 是否是象征 |
| 879 | this evening. | 今夜时. |
| 880 | Because I believe from that point, from the early 90s, | 因为我相信从那时起 从90年代初开始 |
| 881 | things began to change. | 事情开始改变。 |
| 882 | A concerted effort on the part of England to reclaim its flag, | 英国方面一致努力 收回其国旗, |
| 883 | its symbols from the extremes began. | 它的标志从极端开始。 |
| 884 | As Scotland and Wales began | 随着苏格兰和威尔士的开始 |
| 885 | forging a new identity through devolution, a movement to define Englishness as separate | 通过权力移交来形成一个新的身份,一个将英语定义为独立的运动 |
| 886 | but as part of Britishness began. | 但作为英国的一部分 开始。 |
| 887 | And slowly, very slowly, the crowds at Euro 96 or the Six Nations | 慢慢地,非常缓慢地,96欧元的人群 或六国 |
| 888 | or the Commonwealth Games or the Ashes, where in 2005 the England cricket team officially adopted | 2005年英格兰板球队正式通过 |
| 889 | Jerusalem as its anthem, you began to see the English flag wave with pride, not as a symbol | 耶路撒冷是它的国歌,你开始自豪地看到英国国旗的浪潮,而不是象征 |
| 890 | of division or hate, but as the flag for all England, all the English, whatever your ethnic | 但作为全英格兰的旗帜 所有英国人 不论你们民族 |
| 891 | background, your religion, or your politics. | 历史、宗教、政治 |
| 892 | England, the English at peace, and it comfortable | 英国人,和平的英国人,很舒服 |
| 893 | with itself and its place within the United Kingdom and the world. | 自身及其在联合王国和世界中的地位。 |
| 894 | Its flag, not the preserve | 它的旗帜,不是保护地 |
| 895 | of some warped view of England is or what it was, but reclaimed over decades as a uniting symbol | 某些扭曲的英格兰观点是或是什么, 但重新作为统一符号 几十年来, |
| 896 | of all who claim this land in which we stand here this evening as their home. | 今晚我们站在这里的这片土地 是他们的家 |
| 897 | Now there are those | 现在有这些 |
| 898 | on the right who I know want to return to the dark days when flying the flag of St. George was the | 我认识的人想回到黑暗的日子 当悬挂圣乔治的旗帜时 |
| 899 | preserve of individuals and groups who wish to sow division between the communities that make up | 保护希望在组成社区之间进行分裂的个人和群体; |
| 900 | this great country. | 这个伟大的国家。 |
| 901 | Just as there are those on the left who wish to use the flags of England and | 就像左边有人想使用英国国旗 |
| 902 | the United Kingdom as symbols of imperial oppression that we should all be ashamed of | 作为帝国主义压迫的象征,我们都应该感到羞耻 |
| 903 | in their warped view of British history. | 在他们扭曲的英国历史观中 |
| 904 | They are not nor can they ever allowed to become either of | 他们不能也永远不能成为 |
| 905 | those things because this matters as a Scot and a proud unionist. | 因为这很重要 作为一个苏格兰人和一个骄傲的工会主义者。 |
| 906 | We need England to be confident, | 我们需要英国有信心, |
| 907 | proud, and comfortable because it is, if the English are, then the rest of our United Kingdom | 骄傲和自在,因为它是, 如果英国人是, 那么我们联合王国的其余部分 |
| 908 | is too. | 也一样。 |
| 909 | Because the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland represents more than | 因为大不列颠及北爱尔兰联合王国代表的不仅仅是: |
| 910 | a corporate or business or economic arrangement between four proud distinct and separate nations. | (a) 四个自豪的不同国家之间的公司或企业或经济安排。 |
| 911 | It is so much more than that. | 情况远不止于此。 |
| 912 | This country, my country, the United Kingdom, is about the | 这个国家,我国,英国,是关于 |
| 913 | familial ties across these islands. | 横跨这些岛屿的家庭纽带. |
| 914 | It's about our shared history and our shared values that together | 我们共同的历史和共同的价值观 |
| 915 | we stood up for over the last century and more. | 我们在过去一个多世纪里一直站着 |
| 916 | Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England, | 苏格兰、威尔士、北爱尔兰和英格兰, |
| 917 | the country that abolished slavery, that fought with the Commonwealth and our allies to free the | 废除奴隶制的国家 与英联邦和我们的盟友为解放 |
| 918 | world from oppression and Nazism and Communism, helped fund the European Court of Human Rights. | 帮助资助了欧洲人权法院。 |
| 919 | The United Nations and NATO have stood as the beacon for the poor and the dispossessed of the | 联合国和北约一直充当穷人和流离失所者的灯塔。 |
| 920 | world and as a symbol of hope that good will forever overcome evil. | 作为希望的象征 善将永远战胜邪恶 |
| 921 | This flag of St George | 这面圣乔治旗帜 |
| 922 | was the predominant part of the flag that every morning I stood up and saluted when I served in | 每天早上我都站在国旗上 并向我致敬 |
| 923 | the Royal Navy, that flies over our ships and our military bases that people serve under today. | 皇家海军 飞越我们的舰只 和我们的军事基地 人们今天服务。 |
| 924 | It stands for freedom, for liberty, for strength and for tolerance. | 它代表着自由、自由、力量和容忍。 |
| 925 | It is something that unites, | 这是团结的东西, |
| 926 | not divides. | 不区分。 |
| 927 | English identity like Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish identity must never be | 像苏格兰人、威尔士人、北爱尔兰人一样的英国身份 |
| 928 | treated as something to be feared, diminished or weaponized. | 被作为值得恐惧、削弱或武器化的东西。 |
| 929 | The flag of St George is not | 圣乔治的旗帜不是 |
| 930 | a symbol of exclusion but of belonging, not of division but of unity, not of extremism but of | 一种排斥的象征,是一种归属的象征,不是分裂而是团结的象征,不是极端主义的象征,而是 |
| 931 | confident, outward-looking England, secure in its place within our United Kingdom and its place | 自信的、外向的英格兰,在我们联合王国和它的位置上的安全 |
| 932 | in the world. | 在这个世界。 |
| 933 | To reject that is to misunderstand England but, most importantly, to misunderstand | 拒绝就是误解英国 但最重要的是误解 |
| 934 | the greatness of Britain itself. | 英国的伟大本身。 |
| 935 | And so this evening, as a proud Scot, a proud Brit and a | 所以今晚 作为一个骄傲的苏格兰人 一个骄傲的英国人和一个 |
| 936 | committed Unionist, I affirm that English identity strengthens rather than threatens the United | 我申明,英国的特性加强而不是威胁联合国。 |
| 937 | Kingdom we all share and that England's flag, your flag, is one that binds together and does not | 我们共享的王国 英格兰的旗帜,你的旗帜,是一个连接在一起,而不是 |
| 938 | drive apart and I hope you all vote accordingly this evening. | 希望你们今晚都投票 |
| 939 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 940 | Thank you for your speech, Mr Bowie. | 谢谢你的演讲,鲍伊先生。 |
| 941 | Next I would like to invite Lord Billy Moria to the floor to | 接下来我想请比利·莫里亚勋爵发言 |
| 942 | deliver the final speech for a side proposition. | 发表最后的演讲 一个附带建议。 |
| 943 | Well, Madam President, thank you so much for | 总统女士,谢谢你 |
| 944 | inviting us in this wonderful, glorious chamber debating this extremely important topic and what | 邀请我们来到这个美妙而光荣的会议厅,就这个极其重要的议题进行辩论。 |
| 945 | debate would we have? | 我们会辩论吗? |
| 946 | We start off with my outstanding proposer here, Fermi, playing a | 我们从我杰出的求婚者开始 费米 |
| 947 | recording, exposing the opposition straight away, exposing himself and undressing with the cross of | 直接暴露反对派 暴露自己 脱光衣服 |
| 948 | St George, hand-painted no less, and winning the debate within five minutes. | 圣乔治,手绘同样,在五分钟内赢得辩论. |
| 949 | And then we had | 然后我们有了 |
| 950 | my friend Patrick from GB News. | 我的朋友帕特里克 来自GB新闻。 |
| 951 | He made an anti-immigration speech. | 他发表反移民言论. |
| 952 | That's what he did. | 他就是这样干的 |
| 953 | But he spoke about chicken tikka masala. | 但是他提到鸡肉玉米片 |
| 954 | He forgot to mention Cobra beer. | 他忘了提到眼镜蛇啤酒。 |
| 955 | And he basically | 基本上,他已经... |
| 956 | proved that raising the cross of St George's English flag is being anti-immigration. | 证明升起圣乔治英格兰国旗的十字架是反移民的. |
| 957 | So | 这么说 |
| 958 | thank you very much. | 非常感谢 |
| 959 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 960 | Great, great speech. | 伟大的,伟大的演讲。 |
| 961 | And my, as my noble friend, Simon, | 而我,作为我的贵族朋友,西蒙, |
| 962 | Lord Woolley, I mean, when he spoke about those days when, as an ethnic minority, you were scared | 伍莱大人,我是说,当他谈到那些时候, 作为少数民族,你很害怕 |
| 963 | of skinheads chasing you down the street, that was real in the 1970s and 80s. | 一群光头党在街上追逐你 这在1970年代和80年代是真实的 |
| 964 | And he spoke about the | 他谈到 |
| 965 | extreme racism today. | 今天的极端种族主义。 |
| 966 | And he said that the flag being divisive is non-negotiable. | 他说,旗帜分裂是不容谈判的。 |
| 967 | And he said, | 他说, |
| 968 | there is no joke in this. | 这里面没有笑话 |
| 969 | This is real. | 这是真实的。 |
| 970 | And he said that if we get this wrong, | 他说如果我们搞错了 |
| 971 | we will be sleepwalking into fascism. | 我们将梦游到法西斯主义。 |
| 972 | And he said that we're better than that. | 他说我们比这好 |
| 973 | What an excellent | 真不错 |
| 974 | speech. | 说话 |
| 975 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 976 | And then we had some floor speeches. | 然后我们做了一些演讲。 |
| 977 | Very good floor speech from our friend | 我们朋友的演讲非常精彩 |
| 978 | over here who said very, very clearly and proved that the English flag has become a symbol of | 在这里,谁说得非常,非常清楚,并证明 英国国旗已经成为象征 |
| 979 | divisiveness. | 分裂 |
| 980 | Clearly proven with a great speech. | 以伟大的演讲来证明 |
| 981 | And then we had another speech dissecting the motion. | 然后我们又做了一次解析动议的发言。 |
| 982 | Good job. | 干得不错 |
| 983 | Good try. | 试试看 |
| 984 | And then we had my friend from the other place, from the House of Commons, | 然后,我们有我的朋友 从另一个地方, 从下议院, |
| 985 | who spoke for the proposition, which was fantastic. | 他代表了这个提议,这太棒了。 |
| 986 | Thank you very much, sir. | 非常感谢,先生。 |
| 987 | Now, you know, what is in a flag? | 现在,你知道,什么是旗帜? |
| 988 | I come from the smallest minority community in the world. | 我来自世界上最小的少数族群。 |
| 989 | I'm a Zoroastrian Parsi. | 我是琐罗亚斯德派西人 |
| 990 | There are only 100,000 of us in the world. | 世间只有十万人. |
| 991 | And last month, I celebrated | 上个月,我庆祝 |
| 992 | in the House of Lords an event, the 200th birth anniversary of Dadabhai Naoroji, the first Indian | 在上议院举行活动, 达达巴海·那罗吉200年诞辰, |
| 993 | to be elected to the House of Commons in 1892. | 1892年当选下议院议员. |
| 994 | And he was a freedom fighter. | 他是个自由战士 |
| 995 | He was known as | 他被称为 |
| 996 | Grand Old Man of India. | 印度大老人报. |
| 997 | He was a mentor to no less than Mahatma Gandhi. | 他是至少圣雄甘地的导师. |
| 998 | A little later, | 一会儿 |
| 999 | there was another Indian, an Indian woman, Madame Dekaji Karma, who in 1907 unfurled | 还有一个印度人 一个印度女人 德卡吉·卡玛夫人 1907年 |
| 1000 | the first flag of India on the 22nd of August, and the first person to do this in a foreign | 8月22日是印度的第一面国旗, 也是第一个在外国这样做的人 |
| 1001 | country, and she did this in Stuttgart. | 她是在斯图加特做的 |
| 1002 | And written on that Indian flag, the first version | 写在印地安国旗上 第一版 |
| 1003 | of what is today the Indian flag, were the words Vande Mahathiram. | 今天的印度国旗是万德·马哈西拉姆的话 |
| 1004 | And the Vande Mahathiram means, | 而万德·马哈西拉姆的意思是, |
| 1005 | we bow to the mother India. | 我们向印度母亲鞠躬 |
| 1006 | And that was the slogan of the Indian National Congress that | 这是印度国会的口号 |
| 1007 | eventually fought for and won India's independence. | 最终争取并赢得印度独立. |
| 1008 | So flags have huge meaning, and they are respected. | 因此旗帜具有巨大的意义,并受到尊重. |
| 1009 | My late father, Lieutenant General Bill Amore, was commander in chief of the Central Indian Army | 我已故父亲比尔·阿莫尔中将曾任中印军总司令 |
| 1010 | in charge of 350,000 troops. | 负责35万部队. |
| 1011 | When he died 20 years ago, there was a full ceremonial military | 当他20年前去世时, 出现了一个完整的仪式军队 |
| 1012 | funeral for an army commander, and draped over his body was the Indian flag. | 为一位军队指挥官举行葬礼 在他的身上涂满了印度国旗 |
| 1013 | Flags are respected | 国旗受人尊重 |
| 1014 | around the world. | 环绕世界. |
| 1015 | To burn the Indian flag in India is a criminal offense. | 在印度焚烧印度国旗是刑事犯罪. |
| 1016 | Now let's get one thing straight. | 现在让我们说清楚 |
| 1017 | The debate is talking about the English flag. | 辩论内容为英国国旗. |
| 1018 | Our flag in this | 我们的旗帜在这里 |
| 1019 | country is the Union Jack. | 国家是联盟杰克。 |
| 1020 | That is the flag of the United Kingdom. | 这是联合王国的旗帜。 |
| 1021 | And do you know the irony of it | 你知道它的讽刺 |
| 1022 | all? | 全部吗? |
| 1023 | Every devolved nation in the United Kingdom, Scotland has its flag, Northern Ireland has its | 英国的每一个被下放权力的国家,苏格兰都有它的旗帜,北爱尔兰都有它的旗帜. |
| 1024 | flag, Wales has its flag, England has its flag. | 威尔士有旗帜 英格兰有旗帜 |
| 1025 | They all have parliaments, but England doesn't | 他们都有议会,但英国没有 |
| 1026 | have a parliament. | 有个议会 |
| 1027 | We've got Westminster that covers everybody. | 我们有威斯敏斯特 覆盖所有人。 |
| 1028 | I find that very ironic. | 我觉得很讽刺 |
| 1029 | But the reality is that the English flag has been hijacked by the fanatical extreme right. | 但现实是英国国旗被狂热的极右翼劫持. |
| 1030 | That is a fact. | 这是事实。 |
| 1031 | And there is a huge difference between patriotism and nationalism. | 而爱国主义和民族主义之间有着巨大的区别. |
| 1032 | These people | 这些人 |
| 1033 | who've hijacked this flag are not patriotic, because patriotism is pride in who you are. | 谁劫持了这面旗帜,不是爱国, 因为爱国主义是你的骄傲。 |
| 1034 | Nationalism is about pride in who people aren't. | 民族主义是关于谁不是人的骄傲. |
| 1035 | It's anti. | 反之. |
| 1036 | And it's all about being anti-immigration, | 这都是反移民 |
| 1037 | anti-foreigners. | 反外国人 |
| 1038 | And when I came to this country as a 19-year-old student from India to study, | 当我作为19岁的印度学生来到这个国家学习时 |
| 1039 | I was told by my family and friends, if you decide to stay on in the UK and work after your | 家人朋友告诉我 如果你决定留在英国工作 |
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| 1041 | you will never get to the top because as a foreigner you will not be allowed to | 你永远无法登顶 因为作为一个外国人 你将不被允许 |
| 1042 | get to the top because there will be a glass ceiling and I'm ashamed to say | 爬到顶部,因为会有一个玻璃天花板 我羞愧地说 |
| 1043 | they were absolutely right there was a glass ceiling entrepreneurship was | 他们绝对正确 有一个玻璃天花板 创业是 |
| 1044 | looked down upon in this country secondhand car salesman you couldn't get | 在这个国家看不起二手车推销员 |
| 1045 | a job if you hadn't been to the in the city of London if you hadn't been to | 如果你没有去伦敦,如果你没有去 |
| 1046 | right school at the right University how things have changed in this country how | 如何改变这个国家 |
| 1047 | that glass ceiling has now been truly shattered I'm proud to be part of the | 玻璃天花板现在真的破碎了 我自豪地成为其中的一部分 |
| 1048 | Indian minority community in this country the largest of the minority | 国内最大的印度少数民族社区 |
| 1049 | communities two million of us and I'm proud to say we have done really well | 我自豪地说,我们做得非常好 |
| 1050 | and contributed to this country and the Indians have reached the very top | 对这个国家的贡献 印度人达到了顶峰 |
| 1051 | including a Prime Minister of Indian origin from this University including | 包括一名来自该大学的印度裔总理, |
| 1052 | leaders in business and in sport and in film and theatre in in academia Nobel | 诺贝尔奖在商界、体育界、电影界和戏剧界的领导人 |
| 1053 | laureates sadly from the other place the 18 percent ethnic minorities in this | 令人痛心的是,来自另一个地方的 18%的少数民族获得者 |
| 1054 | country without their contribution we would not still be the sixth largest | 没有他们的贡献,我们就不会是第六大 |
| 1055 | economy in the world and that's a fact and we should be grateful for it so with | 经济在世界上,这是一个事实, 我们应该感激它与 |
| 1056 | the last year's craze of these flags being put up everywhere of the cross | 去年的狂热 这些旗帜被竖立在十字架上 |
| 1057 | being painted on roundabouts why why why this has created fear within | 被画在环形山上 为什么这造成恐惧 |
| 1058 | communities and you know it was called operation raise the colors do you know | 社区,你知道它叫做 提高颜色 你知道 |
| 1059 | that operation raise the colors an online movement backed by far-right | 那个操作提高了颜色 在线运动的支持极右 |
| 1060 | figures including Tommy Robinson his real name is Stephen Yaxley Lennon the | 他的真名是史蒂芬・亚克斯利・列侬 |
| 1061 | far-right group Britain first voiced support for it with the co-founder of | 极右团体 英国首先表示支持 与联合创始人 |
| 1062 | the campaign claiming they donated 200 flags and during the racist riots that | 在种族主义暴乱期间, |
| 1063 | broke out in the wake of the South Port tragedy many participants were seen | 南港惨案发生后 有许多人在场 |
| 1064 | wearing or waving such flags and people said it's not patriotic it feels just | 戴着或挥舞着这种旗帜 人们说这不爱国 |
| 1065 | like an excuse for xenophobia another one said they were totally against the | 比如说仇外心理的借口 另一个人说他们完全反对 |
| 1066 | flags being put up if they were anti-immigration and as for our Prime | 旗帜被竖起,如果它们是反移民的, 至于我们的总理 |
| 1067 | Minister Kirstama he said at the Labour Party conference I'm not just proud of | 基尔斯塔马部长在工党会议上说,我不只是骄傲 |
| 1068 | the Union Jack and the Cross of St. George I'm also proud of the Salter of | 联盟杰克和圣乔治十字架 我也为萨特感到骄傲 |
| 1069 | the Red Dragon proud of our Union this astonishing relationship between our | 红龙以我们的联盟为荣 我们之间惊人的关系 |
| 1070 | four great nations let's fly our flags conference because they are our flags | 四个伟大的国家,让我们悬挂我们的旗帜会议,因为它们是我们的旗帜。 |
| 1071 | yes but here the facts and the facts are real you gov carried out a poll on the | 是的,但这里的事实和事实 是真的,你戈夫 进行了民调 |
| 1072 | 21st of November last year so just a couple of months ago and here the | 去年11月21日 几个月前,这里 |
| 1073 | results 52% of ethnic minority adults say the St. George's flag is now a racist | 52%的少数民族成年人 说圣乔治的旗帜现在是种族主义者 |
| 1074 | symbol 52% compared to 36% of white adults most in both groups say the Union | 52%的白人和36%的白人在这两个群体中最多说工会 |
| 1075 | Jack has not become a racist symbol so the Union Jack's fine it's the English | Jack没有成为种族主义的象征 所以JJ联盟很好 是英国人 |
| 1076 | flag that is hijacked that's what this debates about and both white and ethnic | 被劫持的旗帜 这就是这场辩论的内容 白人和种族 |
| 1077 | minority adults tend to see this last summer's lamp post flag raising as | 去年夏天的灯帖升起的旗帜 |
| 1078 | primarily about spreading an anti-immigrant or anti-ethnic minority | 主要是散布反移民或反少数民族 |
| 1079 | message rather than a display of patriotism ethnic minority adults tend | 而不是表现爱国主义的少数民族成年人 |
| 1080 | to say they would be uncomfortable if large numbers of England flags were | 说如果有大批英国国旗 他们会很不舒服 |
| 1081 | raised in their local area in such a manner those are the facts and I | 这些是事实,我 |
| 1082 | conclude with this the great philosopher Karl Popper spoke about the paradox of | 伟大的哲学家卡尔·波普尔在结论中谈到 |
| 1083 | tolerance it's a concept suggests that if a society extends tolerance to those | 容忍是一个概念,它表明,如果一个社会将容忍扩大到那些 |
| 1084 | who are intolerant it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance | 不容忍者有可能导致不容忍最终占据支配地位; |
| 1085 | thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance so the central lobby of | 从而破坏了容忍原则, |
| 1086 | Parliament if you come into our Parliament and I'm very proud I've been | 议会,如果你进入我们的议会 我非常骄傲我一直 |
| 1087 | the House of Lords I was the third youngest peer when I was appointed in | 上议院,我是第三位最年轻的同伴 当我被任命在 |
| 1088 | 2006 I've been there for 20 years this year and I'm still one of the younger | 2006年,我在那里已经20年了 今年,我还是一个年轻的 |
| 1089 | peers in the central lobby you have the patron saints St. George England St. | 中央大厅的同伴们 你们有圣人圣人圣乔治 |
| 1090 | Patrick for Ireland St. David for Wales St. Andrew for Scotland and that is the | 帕特里克代表爱尔兰 圣大卫代表威尔士 圣安德鲁代表苏格兰 |
| 1091 | United Kingdom we are British first and do you know my older son told me dad | 英国 我们是英国人,你知道我大儿子告诉我爸爸吗? |
| 1092 | have a look at a video of the 1966 World Cup final the flags around the stadium | 看一看1966年世界杯决赛 球场周围的旗帜 |
| 1093 | were not crosses and George they were not the English flag they were the Union | 乔治不是英国国旗 而是联盟 |
| 1094 | Jacks that were being flown all around the flag because every person of the | 满旗飞的杰克,因为每个人 |
| 1095 | United Kingdom was rooting for England as a British team and for Scotland playing | 英国为英国队和苏格兰队效力 |
| 1096 | we'd be rooting for Scotland so I love the cross of St. George and the English | 我们为苏格兰打根基 所以我喜欢圣乔治和英国人的十字架 |
| 1097 | flag and I love the Union Jack but it has the English flag been hijacked by | 国旗和我喜欢联盟杰克 但英国国旗被劫持了 |
| 1098 | intolerant people this country is famous for its fair play its sense of justice | 这个国家以正义感的公平而闻名于世 |
| 1099 | it is respected around the world and the wonderful ethnic minority population in | 全世界都尊重《公约》和《公约》的优秀少数民族人口 |
| 1100 | this country I am proud to be an Indian I'm proud to be a Zoroastrian Parsi I am | 这个国家 我为成为印度人而自豪 我为成为琐罗亚斯德派西而自豪 |
| 1101 | proud to be a nation and I'm very very proud to be British so I remind you the | 我非常自豪成为英国人 所以我提醒你 |
| 1102 | motion is this house believes the English flag has become a symbol of | 这房子相信英国国旗 已经变成了象征 |
| 1103 | division vote through the I lobby thank you | 我通过大厅投票 谢谢 |
| 1104 | inviting our final speaker I would like to call upon two more members from the | 请最后一位发言者发言。 |
| 1105 | audience to first deliver a speech first side proposition thank you Zag in my | 观众首先要发表演讲 第一面建议 谢谢扎格 |
| 1106 | biggest Africa hmm so I find myself tonight on the side of mr. all right | 最大的非洲,所以我发现自己今晚 在一边的先生,所有的权利 |
| 1107 | which is a very peculiar situation to find oneself in when you're a card | 这是非常特殊的情况 当你是一个卡片 |
| 1108 | member of the Conservative Party thank you mr. Boeing but there is a reason why | 保守党党员,谢谢你 波音,但有一个原因 |
| 1109 | and it primarily comes from the fact that this is actually a topic that I | 这主要来自于一个事实, 即这实际上是一个议题,我 |
| 1110 | study academically right any undergrad who has done the nationalism and | 任何从事民族主义和 |
| 1111 | nationality week in final on a school political sociology will be able to tell | 学校政治社会学最后的国籍周 |
| 1112 | you that the purpose of nationalism and national symbols is to mark oneself out | 你,民族主义和民族象征的目的 是为了纪念自己 |
| 1113 | from other people right the St. George's Cross if you go back to the very | 其他人的圣乔治十字架,如果你回到 |
| 1114 | original use that it played first emerged in 1098 at the Battle of Antioch | 在1098年安提俄克战役中首次出现 |
| 1115 | when the Christian Crusaders in the Middle East saw on the eve of a battle | 当中东的基督教十字军在战斗前夕看到 |
| 1116 | they were sure to lose a vision of St. George in the distance and he delivered | 他们肯定在远处失去了对圣乔治的视线,他交付了 |
| 1117 | on to them a banner under which they rallied and yada yada yada many dead | 在他们的旗帜上,他们集合起来,许多死者, |
| 1118 | Seljuk Turks later they win the Battle of Antioch right and from there on in it | 塞尔柱土耳其人后来赢得了安提俄克之战 从那里开始 |
| 1119 | carried by Europeans crusading in the Middle East she's a very very different | 被欧洲人带到中东 她是一个非常不同的人 |
| 1120 | use of what it plays in modern British society right as a mark of the English | 在现代英国社会中用它演奏的东西来作为英国人的标志 |
| 1121 | national football team and of course many other things and what this speaks | 国家足球队,当然还有许多其他事情 以及这说明什么 |
| 1122 | to is the fact that the proposition are right when they say that there is | 事实上,当他们说有 |
| 1123 | nothing ontologically divisive about a piece of fabric but the context in which | 对一块布料没有本体论上的分歧,但背景 |
| 1124 | it is flown really really matters right and this is where I'm going to diverge | 飞起来真的很重要,而这就是我要分裂的地方 |
| 1125 | from a little bit which is to say I don't think that the context in which it | 从一点点,这就是说,我不认为 在它的背景 |
| 1126 | is flown universally in the UK at the moment is necessarily divisive I think | 现在在英国通用飞行 必然会造成分裂 我想 |
| 1127 | that the circumstances in which that is used by some members by some other | 某些委员在哪些情况下使用这种语言? |
| 1128 | figures on the political right in this country reform is what makes it a | 国家改革中的政治权利数字是: |
| 1129 | divisive topic and there are some politicians in this country that are | 分裂话题 这个国家有些政客 |
| 1130 | trying to note that multiculturalism is an important debate is an important | 试图指出多文化主义是一个重要的辩论是: |
| 1131 | topic to debate the difference is there are some that seek to have that in a | 不同之处在于,有人试图将这一点纳入 |
| 1132 | respectful and constructive manner that builds a socially cohesive diverse | 以尊重和建设性的方式建立社会凝聚力的多样化 |
| 1133 | society and there are others that are hoping to ride it into number 10 | 社会,还有其他人希望 骑它成为10号 |
| 1134 | Downing Street and on the base of that that is why I think we must maintain as | 唐宁街和基于这一点,我认为我们必须保持 |
| 1135 | a house this the St. George's Cross has unfortunately been perverted into a | 这座圣乔治十字架不幸被扭曲成 |
| 1136 | symbol in modern Britain thank you is there anyone wishing to speak for | 现代英国的标志 感谢你有谁愿意代言 |
| 1137 | opposition great member in the back thank you we heard a member from the | 反对派的伟大成员在后面谢谢你 我们听到一个成员来自 |
| 1138 | proposition make a very fine speech about how amazing it was to be Indian | 提议做了一个非常好的演讲 关于它是多么令人惊叹的是印度人 |
| 1139 | and the Indian flag and so forth nowhere in his speech did it was it mentioned | 和印度国旗等等 在他的讲话中没有提到 |
| 1140 | that the Indian flag is now used and co-opted by a government far more | 印度国旗现在被一个政府使用和合用 |
| 1141 | nationalist and exclusivist than reform or any right-wing party in Britain and | 民族主义和排他主义,而不是改革或任何右翼政党 |
| 1142 | that he gave a you know you'll give a praise to this flag in all solemnity in | 他给了一个 你知道你会赞美这面旗帜 |
| 1143 | all its uses the fact that it is used by this government and by Hindu fanatics | 它被政府和印度教狂热分子使用 |
| 1144 | meant nothing to him we go to any Pakistan well go to many Pakistani | 对他来说,没有什么意义,我们去任何巴基斯坦 去很多巴基斯坦人那里 |
| 1145 | neighborhoods in this country and you will find people flying the flag of the | 这个国家的邻居, 你会发现人们悬挂着 |
| 1146 | country of their fathers or their mothers this is natural yet Pakistan is | 父亲或母亲的祖国 这是自然的 |
| 1147 | a constitutionally Muslim government where the blasphemy against the Muslim | 宪法意义上的穆斯林政府 对穆斯林的亵渎 |
| 1148 | God carries the death penalty where non-muslims are not allowed into the many | 死刑是上帝的... ... ...... |
| 1149 | of governments and which is far more exclusive than any party in the UK does | 并且远比英国任何党派都更具有排他性 |
| 1150 | anyone complain about the use of this flag no because in this debate what we | 任何人抱怨使用这面旗帜 没有因为在这场辩论中,我们是什么 |
| 1151 | have is yet another example of the double standard that the West is often | 西方常常是双重标准的又一个例子 |
| 1152 | held to that when that we should accept that after having invited millions upon | 我们应当接受,在邀请数百万人之后 |
| 1153 | millions of people to our countries in a shorter time span through more peaceful | 在更短的时间内 数百万人来到我们的国家 |
| 1154 | no thanks through more peaceful means than any other civilization has in the | 没有比其他文明更和平的感谢 |
| 1155 | history of the world that the children of these immigrants and the newcomers | 这些移民的子女和新来者的历史 |
| 1156 | themselves should be able to dictate how we use our own national symbols our own | 他们应该能决定我们如何使用 我们自己的国家象征 |
| 1157 | flags and what we think of our own history based off what makes them feel | 旗帜和我们对自己历史的看法 都基于他们的感觉 |
| 1158 | comfortable or uncomfortable I would like to ask anyone in the audience if | 舒适或不舒服 我想问观众们 |
| 1159 | they could imagine in India in China in Pakistan any other country an immigrant | 他们可以想象在巴基斯坦中国的印度 任何其他国家的移民 |
| 1160 | population dictating to them how to use their flags and their symbols thank you | 民众向他们说如何使用他们的旗帜和标志,谢谢 |
| 1161 | all right now thank you for that we'll like to invite the final speaker for | 好了,现在谢谢你,我们想请最后一位发言者 |
| 1162 | side opposition to the floor thank you so much for the chance to join you back | 侧面反对发言 非常感谢你给我机会回来 |
| 1163 | at Oxford I was here three decades ago when we were having debates about | 在牛津,我在这里 三十年前,我们辩论 |
| 1164 | identity race our hopes of the future our anxieties about the future and we | 我们对未来的渴望与我们 |
| 1165 | it again about this flag it's just a piece of cloth John Agard's poem starts | 又是关于这面旗帜 只是约翰·阿加德的一首诗 |
| 1166 | my daughter year nine they were writing about the flags and what it meant it's | 我女儿九岁的时候,他们写着国旗 和它意味着什么 |
| 1167 | just a piece of cloth it's just a piece of cloth that brings a nation to its | 只是一块布,它只是一块布 带给一个国家到它的 |
| 1168 | knees is how the poem continues we've heard tonight why this is important this | 膝盖是诗的继续 我们今晚听说了 为什么这很重要 |
| 1169 | debate about what we decide that this piece of cloth means but in my house in | 关于我们决定这块布意味着什么的辩论... ...但是在我的房子里... |
| 1170 | the Katwala household we didn't just wear the scarf and have the flag we had | Katwala家 我们不只是戴着围巾 还有我们的旗子 |
| 1171 | face paint on me and my daughters in July because the lionesses were playing | 七月我和女儿脸上画画 因为狮女在玩 |
| 1172 | the European final again and when my daughter was 10 we went to Southampton | 再说一次欧洲决赛 我女儿十岁的时候 我们去南安普顿 |
| 1173 | we went to Brighton we were in the top tier of the top stand at Wembley when | 我们去了布莱顿,我们在温布利的顶层摊位,当时 |
| 1174 | the lionesses won the European trophy and you just could not imagine a more | 狮女赢得了欧洲奖杯 你无法想象 |
| 1175 | inclusive a more welcoming patriotism than that which was represented by the | 包容的爱国主义比以爱国主义为代表的爱国主义更加受欢迎。 |
| 1176 | lionesses that day and it was a surprise to me to take my 10 year old and see | 那天的狮女们 带我十岁的孩子去看我真是惊喜 |
| 1177 | that because when I was 11 and I was 14 we didn't think that football was the | 因为我11岁和14岁的时候 我们不认为足球是 |
| 1178 | place we would go and get an inclusive patriotism we read the English football | 在那里我们会得到一个包容的爱国主义 我们读英国足球 |
| 1179 | I was an Everton supporter when Liverpool signed John Barnes the great | 利物浦签下伟大的约翰・巴恩斯 |
| 1180 | England supporter the fans of my team they were playing bananas at John Barnes | 英格兰支持我的球迷 他们打香蕉在约翰巴恩斯 |
| 1181 | the black English legendary footballer so football when I was that age | 黑人英格兰传奇足球运动员 如此足球 当我那个年龄 |
| 1182 | introduced me to an overt racism and an anti-racism that decided to bring about | 向我介绍了一场公开的种族主义和一场反种族主义运动,决定: |
| 1183 | change and I wouldn't have gone to watch the England team at home or abroad when | 换衣服,我就不会去看英国队了 |
| 1184 | I was that age but later I could and so when I was in my 20s and you're right in | 我那时已经那么大了,但后来我就可以了 所以当我20多岁的时候,你正好在 |
| 1185 | 1966 it was the the flag of the Union flag that flew at Wembley stage and in | 1966年在温布利舞台上和在 |
| 1186 | 1996 it was the St. George's flag we were hosting the tournament we had a new | 1996年是圣乔治的旗子 我们办了一场比赛 |
| 1187 | anthem three lines it wasn't that we would win the tournament but we it was | 国歌三行 我们不会赢得比赛 但我们是 |
| 1188 | a much more inclusive moment and so I felt more confident about England | 更包容的时刻 所以我对英国更有信心 |
| 1189 | because we changed the meaning we didn't change the flag but we changed the | 因为我们改变了意思 我们没有改变旗帜 但我们改变了 |
| 1190 | meaning so these these meanings all depended but the face paint on our face | 所以这些意义都取决于我们脸上的颜料 |
| 1191 | in our household that was different to the graffiti on the road sign in our | 和我们家路牌上的涂鸦不一样 |
| 1192 | town with the same symbol but a different meaning and so who this | 镇上有相同的符号 但意义不同,所以谁 |
| 1193 | symbol is for what we're saying it is contested and we need to be part of that | 象征着我们所说的是有争议的 我们需要参与其中 |
| 1194 | contest I live in Dartford in Kent and we had brilliant triangular St. George's | 比赛我住在肯特的达特福德 我们有辉煌的三角圣乔治 |
| 1195 | bunting in the high street my friend Govinda runs a St. George's Day parade | 我的朋友戈文达在高街上举行圣乔治节游行 |
| 1196 | and if you were to come to Dartford on St. George's Day cohesion plus older | 如果你在圣乔治节来到达特福德 再加上年长 |
| 1197 | Dartford is quite a white place the primary schools the secondary schools are | 达特福德是相当白色的地方 小学是中学 |
| 1198 | very diverse we have a dragon and St. George on stilts we have the primary | 我们有一个龙和圣乔治 在砖块上,我们有初级 |
| 1199 | school children of Dartford and their parents and so we are marking England's | 达特福德的学童和他们的父母 所以我们在纪念英格兰 |
| 1200 | National Day and everybody is invited to the party and there are Asian drummers at | 国庆节和每个人都被邀请参加派对 还有亚洲鼓手 |
| 1201 | the back and they were all and you can see an idea of England that we would | 背部和他们都是, 你可以看到一个英国的想法,我们会 |
| 1202 | like to share and that is different that is different to the lamppost so I | 喜欢分享,这是不同的 与灯柱不同 所以我 |
| 1203 | don't agree with my friend Patrick about the lampposts it feels a bit sad to me | 不要同意我的朋友Patrick 关于灯柱的事 我觉得有点悲哀 |
| 1204 | that people feel as unheard to do that and the lampposts so hand out I put the | 人们觉得自己没有听到 这样做, 和灯柱 所以手发 我放 |
| 1205 | flag in my car windows till we go out on penalties and I take them down again | 车窗里挂着旗子 直到我们出门处罚 我又拿下它们 |
| 1206 | hand out the flag and fly it on your house and fly whichever flag fly a | 把旗子伸出来 挂在你家里 随便挂什么旗 |
| 1207 | Ukrainian flag for a Palestinian flag if you want but of course fly British flag | 如果你愿意的话,乌克兰国旗是巴勒斯坦国旗,当然是悬挂英国国旗 |
| 1208 | or an English flag if that's if that's if that's what you want but but the | 或英国国旗 如果这是你想要的,但 |
| 1209 | flags on the lampposts and they only get halfway up the lampposts because it's | 灯柱上的旗子,它们只得到一半的灯柱,因为它 |
| 1210 | too high so they feel a bit sad and they're a bit half masked and it rains | 太高了,所以他们觉得有点伤心 半个面具,下雨了 |
| 1211 | and they look miserable but conscripting the lampposts not the cars in the house | 他们看起来很痛苦,但征召 灯柱而不是汽车在房子里 |
| 1212 | that feels like Belfast not Birmingham to me that feels like saying this is our | 这感觉就像贝尔法斯特 不是伯明翰 对我来说,感觉就像说这是我们的 |
| 1213 | territory and this is your territory so the flags are being contested and so | 领土,这是你的领地 所以,旗帜是有争议的,所以 |
| 1214 | it's inclusion and pride and celebration and joy for the lionesses it's anger it is | 它的包容和骄傲, 庆祝和欢乐 对于狮女,它是愤怒,它是 |
| 1215 | anger and being unheard and so do we say do we then say do we then say I will I | 愤怒和没有听到,我们说,我们说,然后说,我会 |
| 1216 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}我们会在一瞬间说 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}那么我们不会 | |
| 1217 | flying that flag again in our country that flag belongs those people we do not | 悬挂国旗的国家, 旗帜属于那些我们没有的人 |
| 1218 | say that and why do we not say that we've talked about two flags tonight the | 为什么我们不说,我们已经谈论 两旗今晚 |
| 1219 | Union flag and the English flag and Simon you talk very movingly about the | 联合旗帜和英国旗帜和西蒙 你非常感动地谈论 |
| 1220 | racism you're a bit older than I am the valence and racism that was there it was | 你比我大一点 在那里的英勇和种族主义 |
| 1221 | getting a little bit less violent but it was still very racist and it was there | 越发暴力,但还是很种族主义,就在那里 |
| 1222 | but you know there's a myth actually about the flags because for most of my | 但是你知道有一个关于旗帜的神话 因为对于我的大多数 |
| 1223 | lifetime the flag that the far-right was using most of the time was the Union | 终身 极右翼大部分时间使用的旗帜是联盟 |
| 1224 | flag the National Front the Union flag the British National Party the Union | 英国国民党 英国国民党 |
| 1225 | flag and there are still on the lamppost the Union flag and the St. | 灯柱上还有联盟旗和圣塔 |
| 1226 | George's flag and why do we not feel as threatened by the Union flag the flag of | 乔治的旗帜和为什么我们不觉得 受到联盟旗帜的威胁 |
| 1227 | our state because we change the meaning we change the meaning of it and we we | 我们的状态,因为我们改变了意义 我们改变了它的意义,我们 |
| 1228 | no thank you no thank you I'll come back and so I will say very confidently and | 谢谢,谢谢,我会回来的 所以我会非常自信地说 |
| 1229 | we will all say if you're flying that flag to intimidate minorities you do | 我们都会说,如果你悬挂那面旗帜 恐吓少数你做 |
| 1230 | not know the history of your country you do not know the history of flag of course | 不知道你们国家的历史 当然不知道旗帜的历史 |
| 1231 | we're proud to have won the World Wars but do we know and of course we should | 我们为赢得世界大战而自豪 但我们知道,当然我们应该 |
| 1232 | know and some people know and some people don't the armies that won the | 一些人知道,有些人不 军队赢得 |
| 1233 | World Wars are as diverse of the Britain of 2025 and 2026 not the Britain of 1914 | 2025年的不列颠和2026年的不列颠 1914年的不列颠 |
| 1234 | and 1940 that's what the poppy represents you can choose to wear or not | 和1940年的罂粟代表 你可以选择穿或不穿 |
| 1235 | wear it and so we change the meaning of it was the flag of an empire and now | 戴着它,我们改变它的意义 是一个帝国的旗帜,现在 |
| 1236 | it's the flag of a multi-ethnic a multi-faith society and the English flag | 是多民族多信仰社会的旗帜和英国国旗 |
| 1237 | can go on the same journey and it already has and I do not accept that a | 已经走了,我不接受 |
| 1238 | toxic racist minority of people are going to own our flag when it can mean | 有毒的种族主义少数 将拥有我们的旗帜 当它可能意味着 |
| 1239 | what we choose it to mean and we must come together and decide how to fly it | 我们选择它的意义,我们必须一起决定如何驾驶它 |
| 1240 | together and that is what we need to do I never wanted to reclaim flags because | 在一起,这就是我们需要做的, 我从来没有想要收回旗帜,因为 |
| 1241 | I never accepted that the National Front or the British National Party or the | 我从来没有接受过国民阵线 英国国民党 |
| 1242 | English Defence League once they were using English flag a minority of an | 当他们使用英国国旗时 英国国防联盟的少数 |
| 1243 | society owned our flags it is up to us who owns our flags there's been some | 社会拥有我们的旗帜 由我们拥有我们的旗帜 |
| 1244 | cherry-picking frankly of data some true points about data and you've left out | 坦率地说,你只字不提数据的一些真实点 |
| 1245 | you've left out many other points about the data who can be English in our | 你漏掉了很多其他的要点 关于数据 谁可以是英语在我们 |
| 1246 | country is Rishi Sunak English he thinks he's English I think he's English so | 乡村是瑞希·苏纳克英语 他以为他是英语 我想他是英语 |
| 1247 | Ella Bravman doesn't think she's English that's up to her she doesn't think Rishi | Ella Bravman不认为她是英国人 她不认为里希 |
| 1248 | Sunak's English that's nonsense that's rubbish who was English was changed I | 苏纳克的英语 胡说八道 胡说八道 胡说八道 |
| 1249 | think the black English are more familiar to people than the Asian English | 认为黑人英语比亚洲英语更熟悉 |
| 1250 | because it's 50 years ago when we host Euro 28 that Viv Anderson wore the three | 因为50年前,当我们主办28欧元的时候 维夫安德森穿了这三件 |
| 1251 | lines of our country and it was difficult for his generation Cyril Reed | 和我们国家的线 和困难的他的一代 西里尔里德 |
| 1252 | just received bullets in the post from the National Front saying do not go on | 刚收到国民阵线的子弹 说不要继续 |
| 1253 | to the turf and he went on to the turf and he represented his country and by | 并代表他的国家 |
| 1254 | the time Paul Ince was representing our country nobody asked whether he could be | 保罗·英斯代表我们国家的时候 没人问他能不能 |
| 1255 | English or they were English we've had over a hundred black players who played | 英国人或他们是英国人 我们有一百多名黑人球员 |
| 1256 | for England we've had Asian cricketers playing for England as well we'll have | 对英国来说,我们让亚洲板球运动员 为英国踢球,我们也会 |
| 1257 | Asian footballers but they changed what it meant what it meant to be English who | 亚洲足球运动员,但他们改变了 意思是,谁是英语 |
| 1258 | could be English nine out of ten white people in this country think ethnic | 这个国家的10个白人中有9个是英国人 |
| 1259 | minorities are English because in cities that are majority non-white London | 少数民族是英语,因为在大多数非白人伦敦的城市 |
| 1260 | Manchester Birmingham they would think you are mad if you ask them is Marcus | 曼彻斯特伯明翰 他们会认为你疯了 如果你问他们是马库斯 |
| 1261 | Ashford English is Jude Bellingham English is soccer English whether the | 阿什福德英语是裘德·贝林汉姆英语是足球英语,不管 |
| 1262 | penalty goes in or the penalty doesn't go in and sometimes we win and sometimes | 罚进或罚进不进 有时我们赢 有时 |
| 1263 | we lose this is who we are and the English there's a common sense | 我们失去这个身份 英国人有常识 |
| 1264 | Englishness that we're aware of during our football summers of who is English | 我们足球暑假时所知道的英文 谁是英文 |
| 1265 | now it's still work in progress because actually only two-thirds of minorities | 现在还在工作 因为实际上只有三分之二的少数民族 |
| 1266 | think that about being English and a quarter of minorities aren't sure | 想想当英国人和四分之一的少数族群 并不确定 |
| 1267 | because the tenth of the majority population that reject them are so | 因为拒绝他们的大多数人口的十分之一 |
| 1268 | visible so vocal online in the streets and so on that we're still not sure so | 街上露出如此的声响 以至于我们仍不确定 |
| 1269 | we need to do the work to do it together England will be England has no state it | 我们需要做工作 一起做 英格兰将是没有状态的英格兰 |
| 1270 | has no government it'll be one of the few countries at the World Cup to have | 没有政府,它将是少数 国家在世界杯拥有 |
| 1271 | no no government and no state and so and so it has few institutions that do it | 没有政府 没有国家 所以它几乎没有机构做 |
| 1272 | the Union flag we fly it solemnly for remembrance we use it in pop culture and | 我们在流行文化中用它来纪念 |
| 1273 | we use the England flag well and the evidence is very clear but most | 证据非常清楚,但大多数 |
| 1274 | minorities think this most white people think this it represents an inclusive | 少数派认为,大多数白人认为,这代表着一种包容性 |
| 1275 | multi-ethnic England in London in the cities and towns villages when there's a | 伦敦的多民族英格兰 在城镇的村庄里 |
| 1276 | football tournament on people aspire to having that view of England most of us | 人们的足球锦标赛 希望有这种观点 英格兰,我们大多数人 |
| 1277 | most of the time so we have to do this so here is our challenge it is a flag of | 大部分时间,所以我们不得不这样做 所以这里是我们的挑战 这是旗帜 |
| 1278 | pride and inclusion it is a flag of grievance it is a flag of unheardness it | 骄傲和包容是一面怨恨的旗帜 是一面不闻不问的旗帜 |
| 1279 | can be a flag of division and anger it is the flag that we decide it to be it's | 也可以是分裂和愤怒的旗帜 我们决定它是 |
| 1280 | the Oxford Union we have a binary tradition we will divide the house | 牛津邦联,我们有二进制的传统 我们要把房子分割出去 |
| 1281 | tonight and you will vote one way or the other on whether or not the versions of | 今晚,你将投票 一种或另一种方式 关于是否版本 |
| 1282 | division the versions of inclusion when all of these stories are true which one | 当所有这些故事都是真实的时, 将包含的版本分割开来 |
| 1283 | you want to vote for I don't mind which way you actually vote in the debate | 你想投我一票 我不介意你在辩论中投哪一种票 |
| 1284 | because the more important thing than dividing the house is uniting the | 因为比分拆房子更重要的是... 团结... |
| 1285 | country and you can't unite the country by saying because some people fly the | 国家与你无法统一国家,因为有些人飞了 |
| 1286 | flag divisively this flag cannot be flying we will mark St. Patrick's Day | 这面旗帜不能飘扬 我们会纪念圣帕特里克节 |
| 1287 | with Guinness we will celebrate Ukraine against Putin with their flag you can | 与吉尼斯一起,我们将庆祝乌克兰与普京的抗争。 |
| 1288 | Palestine but the flags we can't have our flags no we will unite England when | 巴勒斯坦,但旗帜不能有 我们的旗帜没有我们联合英国 |
| 1289 | we show what this flag can mean if we decide to do it we can you know | 我们展示这面旗帜的含义 如果我们决定这样做,我们可以知道 |
| 1290 | prejudice could never unite England pride in what it means to be English our | 偏见永远无法将英格兰 引以为豪 成为英国人的意义 |
| 1291 | language our literature our comedy our countryside our education our | 语言 文学 喜剧 乡村 教育 |
| 1292 | universities the contributions of the minorities the contributions of the | 少数群体的贡献以及 |
| 1293 | cricket team pride not prejudice can unite England this is what belongs to us | 板球队的骄傲 不带偏见能联合英格兰 这就是属于我们的 |
| 1294 | all are we going to say the only people who can own our flag are people we fear | 我们所有的人都会说 只有我们害怕的人才能拥有我们的旗帜 |
| 1295 | people who are toxic we need pride not prejudice vote whichever way you decide | 有毒的人,我们需要骄傲... ...不要妨碍投票... |
| 1296 | but let's unite | 但是让我们团结起来 |
| 1297 | I ask for all members of the audience to stay seated while the speakers and the | 我请所有观众在演讲者和演讲者发言时不要离席。 |
| 1298 | ministers leave the chamber. | 诸大臣出座. |
| 1299 | Thank you all for coming tonight. | 谢谢你今晚能来 |
| 1300 | Thank you to our | 谢谢你 |
| 1301 | members. | 成员。 |
| 1302 | I hope you have a lovely rest. | 我希望你有一个可爱的休息。 |
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