白宫新闻发布会 20260618：万斯强硬警告以色列内阁：认
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| 0:03 | All right. | 好吧,我们走。 |
| 0:04 | Good morning, everybody. | 早上好,大家好,谢谢 |
| 0:05 | Good morning. | 早上好,你好吗? |
| 0:06 | Nothing to talk about. | 没什么好谈的 |
| 0:07 | Slow news day here in Washington, D.C., so let me just say a couple of things off the | 华盛顿的慢新闻日 让我说几句话 |
| 0:11 | bat. | 蝙蝠。 蝙蝠。 蝙蝠。 |
| 0:11 | First of all, I think the President's peace plan in Iran is already bearing real fruits | 首先,我认为总统在伊朗的和平计划 已经取得了真正的成果 |
| 0:16 | for the American people. | 为了美国人民 |
| 0:17 | Last night, 12.5 million barrels of oil went through the Strait of Hormuz. | 昨晚,1 250万桶石油通过霍尔木兹海峡。 |
| 0:22 | That is a high since the beginning of the conflict. | 这是自冲突开始以来的一个高点。 |
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| 1 | All right. | 好吧,我们走。 |
| 2 | Good morning, everybody. | 早上好,大家好,谢谢 |
| 3 | Good morning. | 早上好,你好吗? |
| 4 | Nothing to talk about. | 没什么好谈的 |
| 5 | Slow news day here in Washington, D.C., so let me just say a couple of things off the | 华盛顿的慢新闻日 让我说几句话 |
| 6 | bat. | 蝙蝠。 蝙蝠。 蝙蝠。 |
| 7 | First of all, I think the President's peace plan in Iran is already bearing real fruits | 首先,我认为总统在伊朗的和平计划 已经取得了真正的成果 |
| 8 | for the American people. | 为了美国人民 |
| 9 | Last night, 12.5 million barrels of oil went through the Strait of Hormuz. | 昨晚,1 250万桶石油通过霍尔木兹海峡。 |
| 10 | That is a high since the beginning of the conflict. | 这是自冲突开始以来的一个高点。 |
| 11 | Oil prices are down nearly at their level from the pre-war conflict. | 石油价格几乎从战前冲突下降到其水平。 |
| 12 | Gas prices dropped below $4 a gallon today for the first time since the conflict, and | 煤气价格今天首次跌到每加仑4美元以下, |
| 13 | importantly, they're going to keep falling further given how low oil prices are. | 重要的是,考虑到石油价格的低迷,它们会继续下降。 |
| 14 | On the military side, the Iranians, for the second night in a row, did not shoot at any | 在军事方面,伊朗人连续第二晚没有向任何人开枪。 |
| 15 | ships in the Strait of Hormuz so far. | 荷尔穆兹海峡的舰只至今 |
| 16 | They are honoring their end of the commitment. | 他们正在履行他们的承诺。 |
| 17 | And on the blockade, CENTCOM has allowed north of a dozen ships to go through our naval | 在封锁期间, 海军司令部允许十几艘舰只的北面通过海军 |
| 18 | blockade, and so we're also honoring our end of the early part of the agreement. | 封锁,所以我们也在纪念协议早期的结束. |
| 19 | On the military side, a couple of things that are still true and will be true whether the | 在军事方面,有几件事情是真实的 并且会是真的 |
| 20 | Iranians comply with the rest of the deal or not. | 伊朗人是否遵守协议的其余部分。 |
| 21 | Number one, their nuclear program has been completely destroyed. | 第一,他们的核计划被彻底摧毁。 |
| 22 | Their capacity for enrichment, the facilities at which they were using to develop enrichment | 它们的浓缩能力,它们用来发展浓缩的设施 |
| 23 | and develop a potential nuclear weapon, those facilities are still destroyed. | 这些设施仍然被摧毁。 |
| 24 | Their conventional military is still destroyed. | 他们的常规军事仍然被摧毁。 |
| 25 | Their capacity to threaten their neighbors is still largely gone. | 他们威胁邻国的能力基本上还没有了。 |
| 26 | And now we see whether they are willing to comply with the next step of the President's | 现在我们看看他们是否愿意遵守总统的下一步 |
| 27 | peace plan. | 和平计划。 |
| 28 | As you all know, the part of the peace plan, the part of this MOU that I think have been | 你们都知道,和平计划的一部分, 我想这个谅解备忘录的一部分, |
| 29 | most misrepresented by certain parts of the media is the idea that the Iranians get all | 媒体某些部分最不实的说法是伊朗人得到所有 |
| 30 | these benefits. | 这些好处。 |
| 31 | You will hear things about $300 billion or $24 billion or this or that number of money | 你会听到约3000亿美元或240亿美元 或这个或这个数目的钱 |
| 32 | or amount of money. | 或金额。 |
| 33 | And the simple fact is that the only way the Iranians get any of those resources, not a | 简单的事实是,伊朗人获得这些资源的唯一方式不是 |
| 34 | any circumstances, but the only way that they would ever get any benefit of the bargain | 但只有这样他们才能从交易中得到好处 |
| 35 | is if they comply fully and change their behavior. | 是如果他们完全遵守并改变他们的行为。 |
| 36 | And so you really have a win-win situation for the United States of America. | 所以,你对美国来说确实有双赢的局面。 |
| 37 | If the Iranians don't change their behavior, their military and their nuclear program is | 如果伊朗人不改变行为 他们的军事和核计划 |
| 38 | still destroyed. | 仍然被摧毁。 |
| 39 | If they do change their behavior, then they are going to have a transformative relationship | 如果他们真的改变了他们的行为, 那么他们会有一个变革性的关系 |
| 40 | with the Middle East and the Middle East will have a transformative relationship with the | 中东和中东将同 |
| 41 | people of Iran. | 伊朗人民, |
| 42 | That's a win for the American people and for the President of the United States, regardless | 这是美国人民和美国总统的胜利,不管 |
| 43 | of which option the Iranians ultimately choose. | 伊朗人最终选择的选项。 |
| 44 | We obviously want them to choose the right option. | 我们显然希望他们选择正确的选择。 |
| 45 | The interesting thing about their system, and I think it's important for the American | 他们的系统很有趣 我认为这对美国人很重要 |
| 46 | people to appreciate this point in particular, is that there are real divisions within their | 人们尤其赞赏这一点,即他们内部存在着真正的分裂。 |
| 47 | country about how exactly to proceed. | 国家如何进行。 |
| 48 | And what we've seen over the last couple of months is that the pragmatists within the | 我们在过去几个月里所看到的是 那些实用主义者 |
| 49 | Iranian system, the people who really do want to transform their relationship with the Middle | 伊朗制度,真正想要改变 与中间关系的人 |
| 50 | East and with the world, those people are winning the argument. | 东方和世界,那些人正在赢得辩论。 |
| 51 | The United States wants those people to win the argument. | 美国希望这些人赢得辩论。 |
| 52 | The United States wants to have a better relationship, but in order for that to happen, the Iranians | 美国希望有一个更好的关系, 但为了做到这一点,伊朗人 |
| 53 | have to perform. | 必须表演。 |
| 54 | And if they don't perform, as we've said before, they don't get any of the benefits | 如果他们不表演,就像我们以前说过的, 他们没有得到任何好处 |
| 55 | of the bargain. | 讨价还价。 |
| 56 | So what I'd ask all of you is just to report honestly that the United States isn't giving | 所以我希望你们都诚实地报告 美国不给 |
| 57 | up a cent of money to Iran, and even the economic benefits, the sanctions relief and so forth | 增加一分钱给伊朗,甚至经济利益,制裁减免等等 |
| 58 | that comes along with this bargain only happens if the Iranians perform. | 只有在伊朗人表演时 才会有这样的交易 |
| 59 | So with that, I want to say thanks to all of you. | 因此,我想向大家表示感谢。 |
| 60 | It's good to be with you this morning, and I'll kick it over to questions. | 今早能跟你在一起真好 我会把问题解决掉 |
| 61 | Let's start right over here to the right. | 我们从右边开始 |
| 62 | Mr. Vice President, I wanted to ask a follow-up on something you just mentioned. | 副总统先生,我想问你刚才提到的事情的后续情况。 |
| 63 | You talked about the possibility of the current Iranian leadership fundamentally changing | 你说过伊朗现任领导人 有可能根本改变 |
| 64 | their behavior. | 他们的行为。 |
| 65 | Do you think that the current Iranian leadership recognizes the leverage that the U.S. holds | 你认为伊朗现任领导人是否承认美国拥有的影响力? |
| 66 | over itself economically and militarily enough to actually go forth with fundamentally changing | 经济和军事上足以带来根本的变化 |
| 67 | their behavior over the long term and going about things differently? | 从长远来看,他们的行为 和去不同的事情? |
| 68 | So I certainly think they recognize the leverage that the United States has over them. | 因此,我认为他们肯定认识到美国对他们的影响。 |
| 69 | We've seen that in a number of our conversations. | 我们在很多对话中都看到了这一点。 |
| 70 | We've seen that just in their behavior over the last couple of days. | 过去几天我们从他们的行为中看到了这一点。 |
| 71 | They certainly recognize that the United States has great leverage. | 他们肯定认识到美国有巨大的影响力。 |
| 72 | Will that ultimately lead to a change in behavior? | 这最终会改变行为吗? |
| 73 | I don't know. | 师曰. |
| 74 | You know, I've seen skeptics of the deal. | 我见过怀疑交易的人 |
| 75 | People say the Iranians will never change their behavior. | 人们说伊朗人永远不会改变他们的行为. |
| 76 | Well, maybe that's true. | 也许是真的 |
| 77 | And if so, they don't get any of the benefits of the bargain. | 如果是这样,他们就得不到交易的好处。 |
| 78 | But isn't it worth trying? | 但是不值得试试吗? |
| 79 | Isn't it worth seeing whether this incredibly weakened position that the President of the | 难道不值得看看 这个令人难以置信的弱化 职位,总统 |
| 80 | United States has put the Iranians under, whether that motivates them to change their | 美国将伊朗人置于下限之下,这是否促使他们改变其 |
| 81 | behavior not just vis-a-vis the West, but vis-a-vis the Middle East? | 不仅对西方,对中东? |
| 82 | And one of the interesting things about this is, you know, the technical details of this | 其中一件有趣的事情是,你知道, 这个的技术细节 |
| 83 | we can, of course, get into. | 我们当然可以进去 |
| 84 | There are going to be any number of opinions about the negotiation, about where it's ultimately | 对于谈判,对于最终的结局,将会有任何意见. |
| 85 | going to go. | 将去。 |
| 86 | But I tend to think that you should trust the people who know the Iranians the best | 但我倾向于认为你应该信任那些 了解伊朗人的人 |
| 87 | and who have the most to lose. | 和谁有最大的损失。 |
| 88 | What are the Gulf Arab states saying about this deal? | 海湾阿拉伯国家对这一交易有何看法? |
| 89 | 与2015年的JCPOA相比, | |
| 90 | This is the Obama nuclear deal. | 这是奥巴马核协议。 |
| 91 | Well, back then, they hated that deal. | 那时候,他们讨厌那个交易 |
| 92 | They felt like it empowered the Iranians to be bad actors across the region. | 他们觉得这让伊朗人有能力成为整个地区的坏角色。 |
| 93 | And of course, that's exactly what happened. | 当然,事情就是这样 |
| 94 | They were right about that. | 他们是对的 |
| 95 | What are they saying about the President's peace deal? | 他们怎么说总统的和平协议? |
| 96 | They're saying this is an amazingly transformative thing for the region because either way, we | 他们说这对这个地区来说是一件 令人惊奇的变革性的事情 因为不管怎么样,我们 |
| 97 | and the broader region win. | 和更大的区域获胜。 |
| 98 | Iran is weakened, their nuclear program destroyed, their economy in desperate straits, and if | 伊朗被削弱,其核计划被摧毁,其经济陷入绝望的困境,如果 |
| 99 | they change their behavior, big things are going to happen for Iran and for the world. | 他们改变了他们的行为,伊朗和世界将发生大事。 |
| 100 | If they don't, no skin off our backs. | 如果他们不这样做, 没有皮肤从我们的背上。 |
| 101 | Either way, we win, and that's the way the President has set up this deal and this negotiation. | 无论哪种方式,我们都赢了,这就是总统建立这个交易和这个谈判的方式. |
| 102 | Thank you, Mr. Chairman, but did the 60-day period officially begin yesterday? | 主席先生,谢谢你,但是60天的会期昨天正式开始吗? |
| 103 | I would say the 60-day period officially started today. | 我要说,60天的时间今天正式开始。 |
| 104 | It was signed late, and it may have even been signed technically because of the time shift. | 它的签署时间较晚,甚至可能因为时间推移而在技术上已经签署. |
| 105 | I think it's signed technically today, Iran time. | 我认为今天是伊朗时间 技术上的签字 |
| 106 | So yes, the deal started yesterday. | 是的,交易从昨天开始 |
| 107 | We're going to start the 60-day clock today. | 今开六十日钟. |
| 108 | Can you help us understand President Trump's shift on his stance for Iran's ballistic missile | 你能帮助我们理解川普总统对伊朗弹道导弹立场的转变吗? |
| 109 | program? | 程序吗? |
| 110 | Initially, it was a key objective to dismantle it. | 最初,拆除它是一个关键的目标。 |
| 111 | Yesterday, he said it would only be fair if they had some, if the countries around Iran | 昨天,他说,只有他们有一些,如果伊朗周围的国家。 |
| 112 | also had some. | 还有些 |
| 113 | So when and why did that change, and will the final agreement have any restrictions | 因此,何时和为何改变,最终协议会有任何限制 |
| 114 | on these missiles? | 这些导弹? |
| 115 | So we destroyed a substantial number of their ballistic missiles and their — excuse me | 所以,我们销毁了他们大量的弹道导弹和导弹。 |
| 116 | ballistic missile launchers themselves. | 弹道导弹发射器本身。 |
| 117 | It's not just the bullets, but it's the actual gun. | 不只是子弹,而是真枪 |
| 118 | And that's what we were extremely effective at in destroying during the last three months | 这正是我们在过去三个月里 在摧毁中极其有效的 |
| 119 | of the campaign. | 竞选活动。 |
| 120 | All the President said yesterday is that, of course, countries don't give up the right | 总统昨天说 当然各国不会放弃权利 |
| 121 | of self-defense. | 自卫 |
| 122 | Israel doesn't give up the right of self-defense if Hezbollah fires rockets or drones at Israel. | 如果真主党向以色列发射火箭或无人机,以色列不会放弃自卫权. |
| 123 | The Iranians don't give up the right of self-defense in their country. | 伊朗人不会放弃他们国家的自卫权. |
| 124 | But we do expect that as part of the final deal, they are not going to be able to build | 但我们确实希望,作为最后交易的一部分,他们将无法建立 |
| 125 | the kind of missiles that can broadly threaten the entire world. | 这种导弹可以广泛威胁整个世界。 |
| 126 | And that's what the President of the United States said yesterday. | 这就是美国总统昨天说的话。 |
| 127 | And look, I mean, it's very simple. | 你看,我的意思是,这是非常简单的。 |
| 128 | You can't tell a country whether Israel or Iran, they're not allowed to have any self-defense. | 你不能告诉一个国家 无论是以色列还是伊朗, 他们不允许有任何自卫。 |
| 129 | That's not what the President has asked. | 这不是总统要求的 |
| 130 | That's not what the President has requested. | 这不是总统要求的 |
| 131 | But as part of the final deal, what we want to see is Iran not funding regional instability, | 但作为最后交易的一部分,我们希望看到伊朗不资助区域不稳定, |
| 132 | funding regional terrorism, and of course, trying to rebuild their nuclear weapons program. | 资助区域恐怖主义,当然,还试图重建其核武器方案。 |
| 133 | That's the main thing. | 这是主要的事。 |
| 134 | The nuclear weapons program is destroyed. | 核武器计划被摧毁。 |
| 135 | It is gone. | 不见了 |
| 136 | If the Iranians decided tomorrow to build a nuclear weapon, they simply don't have | 如果伊朗人明天决定制造核武器 他们根本就没有 |
| 137 | the capacity in order to do that. | 这样做的能力。 |
| 138 | What we're trying to ensure is they don't rebuild that capacity not just a year from | 我们试图确保 他们不会重建 能力不只是一年后 |
| 139 | now, two years from now, but many, many years from now, so that our children never have | 现在,两年后,但很多,很多年后, 这样我们的孩子从来没有 |
| 140 | to worry about a state sponsor of terrorism having a nuclear weapon. | 担心一个支持恐怖主义的国家拥有核武器。 |
| 141 | Thank you, Mr. Vice President. | 谢谢你,副总统先生 |
| 142 | You were just saying that you're hoping this deal would prevent Iran in the future from | 你只是说,你希望这个协议 将防止伊朗在未来 |
| 143 | getting a nuclear weapon. | 获得核武器。 |
| 144 | But from what's been put out there of the MOU, I'm curious, how does the MOU reflect | 但从备忘录的内容来看 我很好奇 备忘录是如何反映的 |
| 145 | that in the future Iran will not, in fact, get a nuclear weapon? | 将来伊朗实际上不会获得核武器? |
| 146 | What's stopping them from down the road, to your point, rebuilding and restarting from | 是什么阻止了他们从路边, 到你的角度,重建和重启从 |
| 147 | where we were pre-war? | 我们战前在哪里? |
| 148 | Well, number one, they would have to get a lot of money in order to rebuild their nuclear | 第一,他们得赚很多钱才能重建核子 |
| 149 | program. | 程序。 |
| 150 | You're talking about billions and billions of nuclear infrastructure that the United | 你说的是数十亿的核基础设施 |
| 151 | States destroyed. | 国家被摧毁。 |
| 152 | In order for them to rebuild that program, they would have to get a lot of money. | 为了让他们重建这个计划,他们得得到很多钱. |
| 153 | And we have them in an economic chokehold right now that we're not going to release | 而我们现在却在经济困境中 无法释放他们 |
| 154 | until they fundamentally change their behavior. | 直到他们从根本上改变他们的行为 |
| 155 | What would that look like? | 那会是什么样子? |
| 156 | That would mean a real inspections regime. | 这将意味着一个真正的视察制度。 |
| 157 | That would mean a real enforcement regime. | 这将意味着一个真正的强制执行制度。 |
| 158 | As the MOU contemplates, that would mean the destruction of their enriched stockpile. | 正如谅解备忘录所设想的那样,这意味着销毁其浓缩的储存。 |
| 159 | All of these things are the sorts of steps you're going to take if you're serious about | 所有这些事情都是你要采取的步骤 如果你是认真的 |
| 160 | ending your nuclear weapons program. | 停止你的核武器计划。 |
| 161 | And that, again, is why I go back to this fundamental trade that's built into the deal. | 这也是为什么我回到 交易中的基本交易。 |
| 162 | They need money to do anything. | 他们需要钱做任何事情。 |
| 163 | Their economy is in absolute dire straits. | 他们的经济处于极其严峻的境地。 |
| 164 | But in order for them to get any integration into the world economy, they're going to have | 但为了让他们融入世界经济,他们会有 |
| 165 | to show us and verify for us that they are changing their behavior. | 向我们展示并证明他们正在改变行为 |
| 166 | And that's why the deal is set up in the way that it is. | 然则约理之设,以成其道. |
| 167 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 168 | President Trump said yesterday that he was going to blame you if the talks of the round | 川普总统昨天说,如果回合会谈,他会责怪你 |
| 169 | go sideways. | 去侧面。 |
| 170 | Are you worried that he's going to make you the full guy? | 你担心他会让你成为真正的男人吗? |
| 171 | No, not at all. | 不,一点也不。 |
| 172 | I mean, I think the President was joking, as he often does. | 我的意思是,我认为总统是在开玩笑, 他经常这样做。 |
| 173 | But no, I think, look, the entire team has worked very well on this, and we've got this | 但是,不,我想,你看, 整个团队在这件事上工作得很好, 我们得到了这个 |
| 174 | thing to a very good place for the American people. | 给美国人民一个很好的地方 |
| 175 | Now, I have seen some progressive criticisms of me personally saying, what experience does | 现在,我看到了一些进步的批评 我个人说,什么经验 |
| 176 | the Vice President of the United States have with hostile, high-stakes negotiations? | 美国副总统进行了充满敌意的高价谈判? |
| 177 | And I would point those progressive critics to the fact that just two days ago I spent | 我要提醒那些进步的批评家们 就在两天前 |
| 178 | over an hour on The View. | 在一个多小时的景色。 |
| 179 | So I actually have great experience in very hostile negotiations. | 因此,我实际上在非常敌对的谈判方面有丰富的经验。 |
| 180 | And I've used that. | 我用过这个 |
| 181 | I mean, look, Joy Behar is way tougher than the Iranians, and she and I are best friends | 我的意思是,你看,乔伊·比哈尔 比伊朗人更强硬, 她和我最好的朋友 |
| 182 | now. | 现在 |
| 183 | So we're going to get to a good place here. | 所以我们要到一个好地方 |
| 184 | We're going to get to a good place. | 我们要去一个好地方 |
| 185 | We're already at a good place. | 我们已经在一个好地方。 |
| 186 | It's just a question of whether we can really get the icing on the top of fundamentally | 这只是一个问题,我们是否真的可以 得到冰块的顶端 |
| 187 | transforming Iran's relationship with the world. | 改变伊朗与世界的关系。 |
| 188 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 189 | A couple of just timing questions. | 几个时间问题 |
| 190 | How soon, as the MOU lays out, can Iran start selling any of its oil that has sort of been | 谅解备忘录规定,伊朗何时才能开始出售其石油? |
| 191 | impounded with the blockade? | 被封锁了? |
| 192 | And two, can you sort of explain the Lebanon component to the MOU and how that front works | 第二,你能解释一下 谅解备忘录中的黎巴嫩部分 以及前线如何运作 |
| 193 | and the enforceability of it? | 它的可执行性呢? |
| 194 | Yeah, so the Lebanon component, this is about regional peace, right? | 是的,所以黎巴嫩部分, 这是关于区域和平,对不对? |
| 195 | This is about regional peace. | 这是关于区域和平。 |
| 196 | And what that means is we expect Hezbollah is not going to be firing rockets and firing | 这意味着我们期望真主党不会发射火箭和射击 |
| 197 | drones at the Israelis, and we also expect that the Israelis are not going to be going | 无人机袭击以色列人 我们也期望以色列人不会去 |
| 198 | wild in Lebanon, right? | 在黎巴嫩很野,对吧? |
| 199 | Both sides have to honor their end of the deal. | 双方必须履行他们的协议。 |
| 200 | Now, as you guys know, sometimes these ceasefires are a little messy. | 正如你们所知 有时停火会有点混乱 |
| 201 | The President of the United States said this a couple of weeks ago, that a ceasefire in | 几星期前美国总统说, |
| 202 | that region of the world just means they're shooting a little bit less at each other than | 世界上那个地区只是意味着 他们彼此的射击比 |
| 203 | they were before. | 他们以前是。 |
| 204 | What you've seen is radical progress in Lebanon, less shooting, less firing, but you're still | 你所看到的是黎巴嫩的激进进步, 少射击,少射击, 但你仍然 |
| 205 | going to have these little flare-ups from time to time, and that's just the sort of | 时不时会有这些小闪光灯 而这只是一种 |
| 206 | thing that we're going to have to manage through the diplomatic process. | 这件事,我们必须通过 外交程序。 |
| 207 | Secretary Rubio has been sort of the person on point. | 鲁比奥部长是 有点在意的人。 |
| 208 | It's actually worked out extraordinarily well, because we do have substantially less | 实际上,它的工作非常出色,因为我们确实少了很多 |
| 209 | shooting, but it's going to be something we have to manage. | 射击,但它会是 一些我们必须处理。 |
| 210 | And eventually what we want to see is the Lebanese government, the elected representatives | 我们最终希望看到的是黎巴嫩政府,当选代表 |
| 211 | of the people of Lebanon, who are able to police southern Lebanon so that Hezbollah | 黎巴嫩人民,他们能够维持黎巴嫩南部的安全,以便真主党 |
| 212 | is not taken over the country, the Israelis are not threatened, and then consequently | 以色列人没有受到威胁,因此, |
| 213 | the Israelis are not attacking southern Lebanon or Beirut either. | 以色列人也没有攻击黎巴嫩南部或贝鲁特。 |
| 214 | That's the plan there. | 这就是计划 |
| 215 | You asked about the Iranian oil. | 你问伊朗石油的事 |
| 216 | Look, one of the interesting things that you've seen is that the Iranians have been completely | 你看,你看到的一件有趣的事情是 伊朗人已经完全 |
| 217 | unable to sell oil, not because of sanctions, but because of the blockade. | 不能出售石油,不是因为制裁,而是因为封锁。 |
| 218 | Fundamentally, the thing that we have done here, the original, you know, what we give, | 基本上,我们在这里所做的事情, 原始的,你知道的,我们给予什么, |
| 219 | what they give, is that we said we're going to lift the blockade, we're going to allow | 他们给出的是,我们说 我们要解除封锁, 我们要允许 |
| 220 | you to sell some of your oil, and they're going to open the Strait of Hormuz. | 你要卖掉你的石油 他们要打开霍尔木兹海峡 |
| 221 | We see that process starting to work already. | 我们认为这一进程已经开始发挥作用。 |
| 222 | It's going to take a little time before it picks up fully, but that's where we are today. | 它需要一点时间才能完全恢复, 但这就是我们今天的位置。 |
| 223 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 224 | Thank you, Mr. Vice President. | 谢谢你,副总统先生 |
| 225 | The MOU, just on the Strait, the MOU guarantees the 60 days of toll-free passage, but after | 《谅解备忘录》仅涉及海峡,《谅解备忘录》保障60天的免费通行,但在 |
| 226 | that it is, of course, led to a regional dialogue with Amman and Iran deciding the future governance | 当然,这导致与安曼和伊朗进行区域对话,决定未来治理 |
| 227 | of the Strait. | 海峡海峡 |
| 228 | A senior U.S. official told us yesterday that they expect Iran to push aggressively on this, | 一名美国高级官员昨天告诉我们,他们期望伊朗积极推动此事, |
| 229 | but also that Gulf states won't allow any kind of tolls. | 海湾国家不允许任何损失 |
| 230 | How strenuously will the U.S. fight to keep tolls out of the Strait and keep any fees | 美国将如何艰苦地斗争,以保持海峡之外的费用和保持任何费用 |
| 231 | away from the future strait and commercial traffic, and are you going to leave it to | 远离未来海峡和商业交通, 你会离开它去 |
| 232 | the Gulf states to kind of fight this battle? | 海湾国家要打这场战役吗? |
| 233 | Well, first of all, we believe international waterways should be free of tolls, and that's | 首先,我们认为国际水道应该没有通行费 |
| 234 | been our position. | 是我们的立场 |
| 235 | That's what you see, of course, in the 60 days of the MOU. | 当然,这是你在谅解备忘录60天里看到的。 |
| 236 | And when you say it leaves it open, it doesn't really leave it open, except in the sense | 当你说它开着的时候 它不会真的开着它,除非是 |
| 237 | that, of course, the final negotiation is going to set the terms of what comes afterwards. | 当然,最后谈判将确定随后的内容。 |
| 238 | You said, I think, that it's the Omanis and the Iranians, but it's actually the MOU contemplates | 你说,我认为,这是阿曼人和伊朗人, 但事实上这是谅解备忘录设想 |
| 239 | that the Omanis, the Iranians, and the Gulf Coast coalition together will figure out a | 阿曼人、伊朗人和海湾沿岸联盟将共同发现 |
| 240 | proper security framework for the Straits in the future. | 今后为两海峡制定适当的安全框架。 |
| 241 | And what I mean by that is that we don't ever want this to happen again. | 我的意思是,我们永远不希望 这种事再次发生。 |
| 242 | That's not about tolling. | 这不是收费。 |
| 243 | That's about ensuring that the Straits are never used as a choke point for the global | 这就是确保海峡永远不被 用作全球的扼杀点 |
| 244 | economy ever again. | 经济再次出现。 |
| 245 | It's frankly not what the Iranians want. | 老实说,这不是伊朗人想要的。 |
| 246 | It's not what the Omanis want. | 这不是阿曼人想要的。 |
| 247 | It's not what the GCC wants either. | 这也不是海合会想要的 |
| 248 | So what we're going to do, of course, working with our allies in the region, is to ensure | 所以,我们要做的,当然, 合作我们的盟友在这个地区, 是保证 |
| 249 | that that is reflected in the final deal. | 这一点反映在最后协议中。 |
| 250 | And if that's not reflected in the final deal, there's not going to be a final deal. | 如果最终交易没有反映这一点,则不会有最终交易. |
| 251 | And that is – I keep coming back to this fundamental structural point of this negotiation, | 也就是——我不断回到这个谈判的基本结构点, |
| 252 | which is that we have all the cards. | 这就是我们拥有所有的牌。 |
| 253 | If the Iranians want the benefits of the bargain, they have to give us the things that are necessary | 如果伊朗人想要交易的好处 他们必须给我们一些必要的东西 |
| 254 | to get those benefits. | 以获得这些好处。 |
| 255 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 256 | The Press. | 澎湃新闻. |
| 257 | Thank you, Mr. Vice President. | 谢谢你,副总统先生 |
| 258 | We'll do both. | 我们两个都做 |
| 259 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 260 | Both of you guys. | 你们俩 |
| 261 | There's one in the white and then one in orange, I think. | 白色的还有橙色的 |
| 262 | What about the pink? | 那粉红色呢? |
| 263 | I'm sorry? | 你说什么? |
| 264 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 265 | Maybe I'm colorblind. | 也许我是色盲。 |
| 266 | It looks more orange to me. | 看上去更橙色一点 |
| 267 | I don't want to have a debate about that. | 我不想就此进行辩论。 |
| 268 | Orange-pinkish, you go first, and then in front of you, you can go second. | 橘皮饼,你先走,然后在你前面,你可以第二。 |
| 269 | The Press. | 澎湃新闻. |
| 270 | Thank you, Mr. Vice President. | 谢谢你,副总统先生 |
| 271 | How does the points about granting some immediate waivers on sanctions, especially from the | 关于立即放弃某些制裁,特别是从 |
| 272 | Treasury Department, how does that square with the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act? | 财政部,这与《伊朗核协议审查法》有何关系? |
| 273 | And are you planning on briefing Congress on this portion? | 你打算向国会通报这部分情况吗? |
| 274 | Yes, so I talked to James Braid, our head of OLA. | 是的 所以我和我们法律厅的负责人詹姆斯·布赖德谈过了 |
| 275 | We do plan to brief Congress very soon. | 我们计划很快向国会汇报情况。 |
| 276 | I believe that they got the formal copy of the signed document this morning, and if not, | 我相信,他们得到了正式的副本 签署的文件今天上午,如果没有, |
| 277 | they're going to get it at some point later today. | 他们今天晚些时候会拿到的 |
| 278 | We are planning a briefing. | 我们正在计划一次通报。 |
| 279 | I believe right now the House is out of session, the Senate is in session, though maybe I've | 我相信现在众议院不开会,参议院不开会,虽然也许我已经... |
| 280 | reversed that. | 倒过来了 |
| 281 | But we're going to ensure that the team briefs Congress and, of course, answers their questions. | 但我们要确保团队向国会通报情况,当然还要回答他们的问题. |
| 282 | We've been doing that informally, of course, talking to a number of people in Congress | 我们一直在做非正式的,当然, 与国会的一些人交谈。 |
| 283 | just over the last week. | 就在上个星期 |
| 284 | We'll keep on doing that and we'll have a formal briefing. | 我们会继续做下去,我们会有一个正式的通报。 |
| 285 | I won't say exactly when that will be because it depends a little bit about session schedule. | 我不会说确切的时间 因为它取决于会议时间安排 |
| 286 | Your point about the sanctions is I'll go back to what I said earlier, which is really | 你对制裁的看法是 我会回到我之前说过的 |
| 287 | the choke point on Iranian oil was never the sanctions. | 制裁从来不是伊朗石油的窒息点。 |
| 288 | We didn't see that as a major concession to the Iranians. | 我们并不认为这是对伊朗人的重大让步. |
| 289 | Frankly, the Iranians didn't see that as a concession to them because what prevented | 坦率地说,伊朗人不认为这是对他们让步,因为阻止了 |
| 290 | them from selling oil was not the sanctions. | 他们出售石油不是制裁 |
| 291 | They were selling plenty of oil without any discount because the sanctions were just | 他们出售大量石油 没有任何折扣 因为制裁只是 |
| 292 | fundamentally ineffective at that point. | 那时根本就没有效果。 |
| 293 | What the sanctions did do is move the Iranian financial system to sort of the shadow banking | 制裁只是把伊朗的金融系统 推向影子银行 |
| 294 | system. | 系统。 |
| 295 | So by lifting the blockade, that's the significant thing that has changed. | 因此,通过解除封锁,这就是已经改变的重要事物. |
| 296 | And by lifting the sanctions, we're actually going to be able to see a little bit where | 通过取消制裁,我们实际上 可以看到一点点 |
| 297 | their financial system actually sends money and receives money. | 他们的金融系统实际上发送金钱和接受金钱。 |
| 298 | That's a real benefit to the American people. | 这是对美国人民的真正好处. |
| 299 | And that's really the only thing that has changed by the change in sanctions. | 这才是制裁改变的唯一改变。 |
| 300 | Oh, sorry. | 对不起 |
| 301 | I forgot that part of the question. | 我忘了那部分问题。 |
| 302 | No, we don't think so. | 不,我们不这么认为。 |
| 303 | We actually have an opinion from OLC we feel quite confident about that Congress does | 我们从法律厅那里得到一个意见 我们非常有信心国会确实如此 |
| 304 | there are certain things that require congressional approval. | 有些事情需要国会批准 |
| 305 | There are certain things that don't require congressional approval. | 有些事情不需要国会批准. |
| 306 | We feel quite confident that we can temporarily lift those sanctions without going to Congress | 我们很有信心 我们可以暂时解除这些制裁 而不去国会 |
| 307 | and seeking their approval on that. | 并寻求他们的同意。 |
| 308 | Apparently there's been reports coming out of Israel that Iran is already funneling oil | 显然有报道说伊朗已经漏油了 |
| 309 | money to Hezbollah even before this particular MOU was signed. | 甚至在签署这项谅解备忘录之前,就向真主党提供了资金。 |
| 310 | And how exactly is the U.S. looking at this? | 美国是怎么看待这个的? |
| 311 | If we're talking about behavior on part of Iran, October 7th happened. | 如果我们谈论伊朗的一部分行为,10月7日发生了. |
| 312 | And if there's concern that perhaps Hezbollah could end up doing some sort of attack on | 如果有人担心真主党 可能最终会做出某种攻击 |
| 313 | that scale, then how exactly are we talking about the reaction to the United States if | 那么我们到底在谈论对美国的反应吗? |
| 314 | we're talking about perhaps a humongous scale attack that actually could happen? | 我们说的是可能发生的大规模攻击? |
| 315 | Are we waiting for that type of attack? | 我们在等那种攻击吗? |
| 316 | I mean, what exactly is a scale here? | 我的意思是,究竟什么是 这里的尺度? |
| 317 | Sorry, you said what exactly is a scale? | 对不起 你说什么是天平? |
| 318 | Yeah, well, I mean, what type of attack would it take to actually get a reaction from the | 是啊,我的意思是,什么样的攻击 要得到真正的反应 |
| 319 | United States to say, okay, now we're actually going to start dropping bombs on Iran for | 美国说,好吧, 现在我们实际上要开始 投炸弹伊朗 |
| 320 | having bad behavior? | 行为不好? |
| 321 | Well, we don't want a scale of any attack. | 嗯,我们不希望任何攻击的规模。 |
| 322 | Any attack, whatever its scale, is unacceptable under this agreement. | 根据这项协定,任何攻击,无论其规模如何,都是不可接受的。 |
| 323 | Now, you asked the question saying that oil money was flowing to Hezbollah before the | 现在,你问一个问题, 说石油资金流向真主党之前, |
| 324 | MOU was signed, and it's one of the reasons why we are actually engaged in this process | 谅解备忘录已经签署,这是我们真正参与这一进程的原因之一 |
| 325 | to ensure that no money is flowing to Hezbollah. | 确保不向真主党提供资金。 |
| 326 | So it's interesting where people will say that the MOU is bad because the MOU produces | 所以有趣的是 人们会说 谅解备忘录是坏的 因为谅解备忘录产生 |
| 327 | consequences that were actually happening well before the MOU was signed. | 备忘录签署前就已发生的后果。 |
| 328 | That's not a reflection on the MOU. | 这不是对谅解备忘录的反思。 |
| 329 | That's a reflection of why we need the MOU to ensure that we have the regional peace | 这反映了为什么我们需要谅解备忘录来确保我们有区域和平 |
| 330 | and stability that we need. | 以及我们需要的稳定。 |
| 331 | Now, what I would say to some of the critics of the deal that I've heard that say, well, | 现在,我要对一些批评 协议的人说,我听说过, |
| 332 | Iran's going to get all this benefit. | 伊朗将获得所有这些好处。 |
| 333 | I'll repeat what I've said, and I'm probably going to have to repeat it a number of times, | 我重复我说过的话 可能要重复多次 |
| 334 | is what is the benefit that the Iranians get that they didn't have before? | 伊朗人以前没有得到什么好处? |
| 335 | And the answer is nothing. | 而答无为. |
| 336 | They don't get anything unless they change their behavior. | 除非他们改变行为 否则他们什么都得不到 |
| 337 | If they change their behavior, that is a thing to celebrate. | 如果他们改变行为,那是值得庆祝的。 |
| 338 | That's going to transform the Middle East for a generation. | 这会改变一代人的中东 |
| 339 | If they don't change their behavior, they don't get the benefit of the bargain. | 如果他们不改变他们的行为,他们得不到讨价还价的好处. |
| 340 | And I think, I've got to be honest, I think fundamentally, | 我认为,我必须说实话,我基本上认为, |
| 341 | fundamentally this idea that, and it's a misrepresentation of the MOU, | 从根本上来说,这是对谅解备忘录的歪曲, |
| 342 | this idea that the Iranians get all these benefits before the deal is actually consummated. | 这个想法,伊朗人得到了所有这些好处 在交易实际完成之前。 |
| 343 | The idea that they get benefits before they change their behavior is fundamentally a | 让他们在改变行为前得到好处的想法 基本上是 |
| 344 | talking point that is issued by people who want the conflict to continue indefinitely | 希望冲突无限期继续下去的人发表的谈话要点 |
| 345 | despite the fact that that's not good for the American people and it's not good for the region. | 尽管这对美国人民不利,对该地区也不利。 |
| 346 | The way in the back. | 后门之道. |
| 347 | All the way back to the red. | 一路回红. |
| 348 | Thank you so much, Mr. Vice President. | 非常感谢,副总统先生。 |
| 349 | Red here, you mean? | 红色在这里,你是说? |
| 350 | We'll do, okay, sorry. | 我们会做,好吧,对不起。 |
| 351 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 352 | I'm wearing bright red. | 我穿着明亮的红色。 |
| 353 | So many people are wearing red. | 这么多人穿红衣服 |
| 354 | You can go first, Kara, right? | 你可以先走,卡拉,对吧? |
| 355 | Thank you, Kara. | 谢谢你,卡拉。 |
| 356 | Okay, and then next, after that. | 好吧,接下来,在那之后。 |
| 357 | Okay, great. | 好吧,伟大的。 |
| 358 | Could you highlight the major differences between this deal and President Obama's deal | 你能强调一下这项交易与奥巴马总统的交易之间的重大分歧吗? |
| 359 | in 2015 and why the administration believes that this deal is superior? | 2015年,为什么行政当局认为这项交易是优越的? |
| 360 | Sure. | 当然 |
| 361 | And Mr. Vice President, President Trump has been vocal lately about his disapproval for | 副总统先生,川普总统最近 一直宣称他不同意 |
| 362 | Bibi Netanyahu's attacks on Lebanon. | 比比·内塔尼亚胡对黎巴嫩的攻击. |
| 363 | Has the administration spoken to Bibi Netanyahu directly about the President's concerns recently | 政府最近有没有直接告诉比比·内塔尼亚胡总统 |
| 364 | and what is the feedback from Israel? | 以色列有什么反馈? |
| 365 | Yeah, so we speak to Bibi or speak to somebody in the Israeli government just as we speak | 是的,所以我们跟比比说话 或者跟以色列政府的人说话 就像我们说话一样 |
| 366 | to the Gulf Coast Coalition, our regional partners, pretty much every day, at least | 海湾沿岸联盟,我们的区域伙伴, 几乎每天都,至少 |
| 367 | at some high level of our government. | 在政府高层 |
| 368 | Look, the President has been very clear. | 听着,总统说得很清楚 |
| 369 | He does not withdraw from Israel. | 他没有从以色列撤出。 |
| 370 | No one could withdraw from another country the right of self-defense. | 任何人都不能从其他国家撤回自卫权。 |
| 371 | Israel has the right to defend itself. | 以色列有权自卫。 |
| 372 | But fundamentally, the Israelis, just like everybody else, have to respect this peace | 但从根本上说,以色列人必须像其他人一样尊重这种和平 |
| 373 | process that is fundamentally good for them and good for the entire region. | 这一进程从根本上对他们有利,对整个区域有利。 |
| 374 | What the President has grown frustrated sometimes is that we seem to be right on the cusp of | 总统有时感到沮丧的是 我们似乎是对的 |
| 375 | a major breakthrough in the agreement, and then all of a sudden there's a major explosion | 协议的重大突破, 然后突然发生重大爆炸 |
| 376 | that goes off in a civilian population center in Beirut, and a lot of people who have nothing | 在贝鲁特一个平民中心爆炸, 以及很多没有东西的人 |
| 377 | to do with Hezbollah lose their lives. | 与真主党有关 失去他们的生命。 |
| 378 | That's not acceptable. | 这是不能接受的。 |
| 379 | That's the sort of thing that we've asked for closer coordination so that we ensure | 这是我们要求更紧密协调 以确保 |
| 380 | it doesn't happen. | 它不会发生。 |
| 381 | And our message to the Israelis, just as our message to everybody else, is fundamentally, | 我们给以色列人的信息,就像我们给其他人的信息一样,基本上是, |
| 382 | we want this peace process to be good for you. | 我们希望这个和平进程对你有好处。 |
| 383 | We do not want Hezbollah attacking Israel, but in order to ensure that that happens, | 我们不希望真主党袭击以色列,但为了确保这样做, |
| 384 | we have got to actually build the kind of regional framework that can cut off the money | 我们必须真正建立能够切断资金的区域框架 |
| 385 | to Hezbollah, cut off Iranian support for Hezbollah, and also ensure that Lebanon's | 对真主党,切断伊朗对真主党的支持,并确保黎巴嫩 |
| 386 | territorial sovereignty is respected by all parties. | 领土主权受到所有各方的尊重。 |
| 387 | And the difference between the two agreements. | 而两约之异. |
| 388 | So, first of all, the two big differences are not even in the substance of the deal itself, | 所以,首先, 两个巨大的区别 甚至在交易的实质本身, |
| 389 | but something I said earlier are, number one, the Gulf Coast Coalition loves this deal because | 但我之前说过 首先 海湾沿岸联盟喜欢这个交易 |
| 390 | they think that it makes Iran weaker. | 他们认为这让伊朗变得脆弱。 |
| 391 | They hated the Obama deal because they thought that it made Iran stronger. | 他们痛恨奥巴马协议,因为他们认为这让伊朗更加强大. |
| 392 | They know more about this, and they have more to lose than anybody, including the United | 他们知道更多, 他们比任何人,包括美国。 |
| 393 | States of America, so I trust their judgment. | 美利坚合众国,因此我相信他们的判断。 |
| 394 | The second thing is where the deal came from. | 第二是交易从何而来. |
| 395 | You have to remember, in 2015, Iran had built a sophisticated nuclear weapons program with | 你必须记住,在2015年,伊朗建立了一个尖端的核武器计划, |
| 396 | a nuclear weapons stockpile. | 核武器储存。 |
| 397 | So the perspective that we came at as the United States was, you already have a really | 因此,我们的观点是 美国, 你已经有一个真正的 |
| 398 | nice nuclear program, we're going to bribe you with American money in order to stop it. | 不错的核计划 我们要用美国钱贿赂你 以阻止它 |
| 399 | Our perspective, and where we're coming at it, is we already destroyed your nuclear program. | 我们的观点, 以及我们即将面对的, 我们已经摧毁了你的核计划。 |
| 400 | And so, if you promise and show verifiable pathways to not rebuild it, then we're willing | 所以,如果你保证 并显示可核查的路径 不重建它,那么我们愿意 |
| 401 | to give you some sanctions relief and things like that. | 让你得到一些制裁 和类似的东西。 |
| 402 | So it's a fundamentally different perspective. | 所以这是一个根本不同的视角。 |
| 403 | Now, there are all these substantive differences as well. | 现在,也存在着所有这些实质性分歧。 |
| 404 | The Obama nuclear deal allowed enrichment. | 奥巴马核协议允许浓缩。 |
| 405 | Ours will not. | 我们不会的 |
| 406 | The Obama deal allowed the accumulation of stockpiled weapons-grade material. | 奥巴马协议允许储存的武器级材料的积累。 |
| 407 | Ours is actually leading to the destruction of that stockpile of enriched material. | 我们实际上正在导致销毁浓缩材料的储存。 |
| 408 | So there are many differences. | 故有种种差别. |
| 409 | The Obama deal gave them over a billion dollars of American money. | 奥巴马协议给了他们超过十亿美元美国钱. |
| 410 | This deal gives them zero dollars of American money. | 这笔交易给他们零美元 美国钱。 |
| 411 | So a lot of substantive differences, but I think the most important differences are where | 因此,许多实质性分歧,但我认为最重要的分歧在于: |
| 412 | we're coming at it, from a position of strength, and the fact that our Gulf Coast partners | 我们正从一个强势的位置, 以及我们海湾沿岸的伙伴们的角度出发 |
| 413 | love this deal. | 喜欢这个交易。 |
| 414 | No, no, sorry. | 不,不,对不起。 |
| 415 | I said the other, all the way in the back. | 我说了另一个 在后面 |
| 416 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 417 | The President has said that if Iran doesn't behave themselves, we're going to resume military | 总统说如果伊朗不自律 我们就要恢复军事状态 |
| 418 | actions. | 行动。 |
| 419 | So what is the red line for what Iran can do before they cross that red line and we | 在他们越过红线之前,伊朗能做什么,那红线是什么? |
| 420 | do resume military action? | 恢复军事行动吗? |
| 421 | Well, it's just, it's going to be a holistic approach where we look at their behavior. | 这只是,它将是一个整体性的方法, 我们审视他们的行为。 |
| 422 | Are they funding terrorism? | 他们是在资助恐怖主义吗? |
| 423 | Are they leading to attacks of other people? | 他们导致其他人的攻击? |
| 424 | Are they trying to get centrifuges to redevelop their nuclear weapons program? | 他们是否试图让离心机重新开发其核武器计划? |
| 425 | There are all these questions that we're going to ask about whether they've actually changed | 有这么多问题,我们要问 他们是否真的改变了 |
| 426 | their behavior. | 他们的行为。 |
| 427 | Do they allow the inspectors in as they have promised that they would do, or do they refuse | 他们是否允许视察员按照他们承诺的那样进入,还是拒绝 |
| 428 | to allow those inspectors in? | 让这些视察员进来? |
| 429 | A whole host of things we're going to see. | 一大堆东西 我们要看到。 |
| 430 | We're working towards a very successful resolution of this process. | 我们正在争取这个过程得到非常成功的解决. |
| 431 | But again, it takes two to tango. | 但再次,探戈需要两个。 |
| 432 | And what the President is just saying is that we maintain economic, diplomatic, and military | 总统只是说,我们保持经济、外交和军事 |
| 433 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}这世上没人有的影响力 | |
| 434 | So if the Iranians want to change, great. | 所以,如果伊朗人想改变,伟大的。 |
| 435 | We're going to help them. | 我们要帮助他们。 |
| 436 | If they don't change, we still got all the cards. | 如果他们不改变,我们还有所有的牌。 |
| 437 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 438 | Oh, sorry, in the blue jacket. | 哦,对不起,穿着蓝色外套。 |
| 439 | This one right here. | 这个就在这里。 |
| 440 | This one right here, Mr. Vice President. | 这个在这里,副总统先生。 |
| 441 | That's a Navy jacket. | 那是海军的外套 |
| 442 | Should we have a debate about the difference between blue and Navy? | 我们是否应该就蓝色和海军的区别进行辩论? |
| 443 | Not that guy, because you give a speech whenever you ask a question. | 不是那家伙,因为你每次问问题都会发表演讲 |
| 444 | I'm going to give her an opportunity. | 我要给她一个机会。 |
| 445 | Hold on. | 坚持住。 |
| 446 | Guys, you're speaking over the person who's asking the question. | 伙计们,你们在谈论 问问题的人。 |
| 447 | There's been a lot of pressure about the gas prices. | 气价压力很大. |
| 448 | You touted the fact that the coming President has gone on to social touting this. | 你告诉大家,即将到来的总统 已经开始谈论这个。 |
| 449 | But when should they expect to see gas reach that $3 threshold? | 但是,他们什么时候才能看到天然气达到3美元? |
| 450 | Well, I'm not an economist, and I think even the economists would get this wrong. | 我不是经济学家,我认为即使是经济学家也会搞错了。 |
| 451 | But the fact that you've seen gas come down about 65 cents a gallon on the national average | 但是,你已经看到天然气 下降约65美分一加仑 全国平均水平 |
| 452 | and the fact that you see oil prices that are basically close to where they were at the very beginning of the conflict, | 以及你所看到的油价 基本上接近于冲突初期的油价, |
| 453 | I think you're going to see a substantial reduction in gas prices. | 我想你会看到气价大幅下跌 |
| 454 | I'm not going to predict the exact price. | 我不会预测确切的价格 |
| 455 | If I was able to do that, I might be in a different business than politics. | 如果我能做到这一点,我可能 在一个不同的业务 和政治。 |
| 456 | But we do think you're going to see significant relief of the pump on top of what we've already seen. | 但是我们确实认为你将会看到 泵在我们已经看到。 |
| 457 | Mr. Vice President, you keep saying that Iran will only reap economic rewards if they comply and change their behavior. | 副总统先生,你一直说,伊朗只有服从并改变行为,才会得到经济回报。 |
| 458 | But under this deal, they are being allowed now to sell their oil freely. | 但是,根据这项交易,现在允许他们自由出售石油。 |
| 459 | Again, how is that not a financial benefit? | 再说一遍,这怎么会不是经济利益呢? |
| 460 | And they're being allowed to do that without making any new concrete nuclear commitments. | 他们被允许这样做 而无需做出任何新的核承诺。 |
| 461 | So can you explain how is that not lopsided? | 你能解释一下这怎么不是偏差? |
| 462 | Well, first of all, they've made very concrete nuclear commitments. | 首先,他们做出了非常具体的核承诺。 |
| 463 | They have committed to the destruction of the highly enriched stockpile that they have in their possession. | 它们承诺销毁它们拥有的高度丰富的储存。 |
| 464 | But number two, all we've done is lift the blockade and the strait support. | 但第二,我们所做的就是解除封锁和海峡支援. |
| 465 | We basically returned it to where it was before the conflict. | 我们基本上把它退回到冲突之前的位置。 |
| 466 | The blockade is off. | 封锁解除了。 |
| 467 | We put that in after the conflict started. | 冲突开始后我们就放进去了 |
| 468 | The straits are now open. | 海峡现已开放. |
| 469 | That's not a new benefit to the Iranians. | 这对伊朗人来说不是新的好处. |
| 470 | They were selling oil for many, many years, well before we ever put the blockade. | 他们卖石油很多年了 早在我们封锁之前 |
| 471 | We opposed that blockade. | 我们反对这种封锁。 |
| 472 | They stopped selling oil. | 他们停止销售石油。 |
| 473 | And now we've lifted the blockade in order to promote the free flow of energy across the world. | 而现在我们解除了封锁,以促进能源在全世界的自由流动. |
| 474 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 475 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 476 | A U.S. official described having secured some of these, quote, unquote, gentleman's agreements with Iran on certain aspects of the negotiation. | 一位美国官员描述说,他与伊朗就谈判的某些方面达成了一些绅士协定。 |
| 477 | So when it comes to highly enriched uranium, can you walk us through what's been secured, | 所以说到高浓缩铀 你能带我们走过去吗? |
| 478 | even in these kind of gentleman's agreements, on how exactly they're going to get rid of the stockpile? | 即使在这样的绅士协议中, 他们到底要如何清除库存? |
| 479 | Are there agreements on low-grade enrichment? | 是否有关于低级浓缩的协议? |
| 480 | How long is the moratorium on enriching uranium for Iran? | 伊朗暂停浓缩铀的期限是多久? |
| 481 | And are any of these gentleman's agreements written down anywhere? | 这些绅士的协议有没有写下来? |
| 482 | So some of them are written down, but fundamentally, whether they're written down or spoken, | 所以有些是写下来的, 但从根本上来说, 无论是写下来还是说, |
| 483 | this is why we structured the deal that we did, because we don't trust words. | 这就是为什么我们安排了我们所做的交易,因为我们不相信文字。 |
| 484 | We trust action, and we trust conduct. | 我们相信行动,我们相信行动。 |
| 485 | And so we're going to reward conduct, and we're not going to reward any words, whether they're written on a sheet of paper or not. | 所以我们要奖励行为,我们不会奖励任何文字,无论是否写在一张纸上. |
| 486 | There's a lot of discussion, the MOU, the gentleman's agreements, the final deal. | 讨论很多,谅解备忘录,先生协议,最终协议. |
| 487 | Words don't matter, ladies and gentlemen. | 说话不重要,女士们先生们 |
| 488 | We're about verification. | 我们是为了核查 |
| 489 | And so what we're going to do is to say, if they do the things that they have promised to do, they have promised not to enrich. | 因此,我们要做的是说,如果他们做了他们承诺要做的事,他们保证不富裕. |
| 490 | They have promised that they would allow inspectors in to destroy that highly enriched stockpile. | 他们承诺允许视察员销毁高度浓缩的储存。 |
| 491 | And then, of course, it's not usable anymore. | 然后,当然,它已经无法使用。 |
| 492 | You take it somewhere else. | 你把它带到别的地方。 |
| 493 | They promised a number of things, and that's why the deal contemplates a number of benefits if they do those things. | 他们承诺了一些事情, 这就是为什么协议考虑一些好处 如果他们这样做。 |
| 494 | But it doesn't do anything if they don't actually meet those promises. | 但是,如果他们不真正履行这些诺言,那就毫无意义。 |
| 495 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 496 | If they don't follow through with their commitment, will the U.S. go back to imposing sanctions and the blockade? | 如果他们不信守承诺,美国会重新实行制裁和封锁吗? |
| 497 | Or does Iran get to keep some of the concessions that it has already secured? | 还是伊朗可以保留它已经取得的一些特许权? |
| 498 | Well, first of all, the sanctions are still on with the exception of the oil sanctions, which I talked about were no longer effective. | 首先,除了石油制裁之外,制裁仍然有效,我谈到石油制裁已不再有效。 |
| 499 | The purpose of the oil sanctions is to drive down how much Iran is charging for a barrel of oil. | 石油制裁的目的是要压低伊朗对一桶石油的充电量。 |
| 500 | Those sanctions had stopped being effective. | 这些制裁已不再有效。 |
| 501 | The blockade is what's effective. | 封锁才是有效的 |
| 502 | And again, that's the thing that has changed in accordance with them opening the Strait of Hormuz. | 再说一遍,这是随着他们打开霍尔木兹海峡而改变的东西。 |
| 503 | No sanctions will come off unless they perform the benefit of the bargain, and every sanction will come back on, like hypothetically. | 除非他们履行协议的好处,否则任何制裁都不会解除,而且每一次制裁都会像假设那样恢复。 |
| 504 | Let's say two years down the road they've done what we need to see on the nuclear program and we release the sanctions as the deal contemplates. | 假设在两年的路程里,他们做了我们需要看到的 核方案,我们释放制裁 随着协议的考虑。 |
| 505 | Then they decide they're going to start rebuilding the nuclear program. | 然后他们决定开始重建核计划. |
| 506 | Then, of course, those sanctions are going to come back on. | 当然,这些制裁将会恢复。 |
| 507 | And that's why it's really kind of like a dial. | 这就是为什么它真的 像一个拨号。 |
| 508 | As they dial up their good behavior, we can dial up the economic relief. | 当他们调用他们的好行为, 我们可以调用经济救济。 |
| 509 | If they dial down their good behavior, we can turn it off. | 如果他们调低他们的好行为, 我们可以关闭它。 |
| 510 | It's the good thing about having the leverage, and it's the good thing about being the United States of America, | 有杠杆是好事 做美国也是好事 |
| 511 | where we just fundamentally have so much influence in the world financial system. | 我们根本上对世界金融系统有如此大的影响 |
| 512 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 513 | Thank you, Mr. Vice President. | 谢谢你,副总统先生 |
| 514 | Leader Thun said it's unrealistic to get the Save America Act passed by attaching it to FISA, which is what the President is looking for. | 组长 Thun说,通过将"拯救美国法案"附加到FISA上,这是不现实的,这是总统所寻求的. |
| 515 | Do you believe this is possible? | 你相信这有可能吗? |
| 516 | Well, why don't we try? | 好吧,我们为什么不试试? |
| 517 | Why don't we try and at least force people to vote against it? | 我们为什么不尝试 并至少强迫人们投票反对呢? |
| 518 | One of the things that sometimes frustrates me about the legislative process is that people will go into it saying, | 有时候我对立法过程感到沮丧的是 人们会说 |
| 519 | this isn't possible, therefore we're not even going to try. | 这是不可能的,所以我们甚至不会尝试。 |
| 520 | Well, let's actually see. | 好吧,让我们来看看。 |
| 521 | Let's try it. | 试曰. |
| 522 | And if it's not possible, then let the people put their name on it. | 如果不可能,那就让人民在上面写上他们的名字。 |
| 523 | This is also good for the American people. | 这对美国人民也有好处. |
| 524 | How many American senators know that the American people love the Save America Act because they believe in voter ID? | 有多少美国参议员知道美国人民喜欢"拯救美国法案",因为他们相信选民身份证?. |
| 525 | But how many of those same senators don't want to vote for it because they know that the radical elements within their own party would punish them for it? | 但是,这些同党的参议员中有多少人不愿意投票,因为他们知道自己党内的激进分子会因此惩罚他们? |
| 526 | Let people go on the record and actually answer to the American people, which is why I think we should do exactly as the President said. | 让人民记录下来,并实际上向美国人民回答,这就是为什么我认为我们应该完全按照总统的话去做。 |
| 527 | Thank you, Mr. Vice President. | 谢谢你,副总统先生 |
| 528 | Rob. | 罗布 |
| 529 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 530 | Yesterday we were told the MOU, the President then said after Friday, you I think then said by Friday, | 昨天我们被告知谅解备忘录,主席说,星期五之后,你我想,然后星期五说, |
| 531 | and then it ended up being read out on a briefing call yesterday. | 然后最后昨天在一次通报电话上被宣读。 |
| 532 | We were told the MOU had been signed electronically on Sunday. | 我们被告知,谅解备忘录已于星期日以电子方式签署。 |
| 533 | There was an Axios report that it hadn't been. | 有一份Axios的报告说它没有。 |
| 534 | There's going to be a signing ceremony on Friday, and then it signed at Versailles yesterday, last night. | 周五将举行签字仪式,然后昨天,昨晚在凡尔赛签字. |
| 535 | Is what's going on behind the scenes as chaotic as your public messaging? | 幕后发生的事情 跟你的公开消息一样混乱吗? |
| 536 | Well, I don't think our public messaging has been chaotic. | 嗯,我不认为我们的公开消息 是混乱的。 |
| 537 | I think dealing with a fractured Iranian system where communication isn't great is just sometimes something that we don't fully appreciate or we don't fully understand. | 我认为,处理一个断裂的伊朗系统,其中的沟通不是很好,只是有时我们并不完全欣赏的东西或者我们不完全理解的东西. |
| 538 | What really happened here is that we did sign the MOU on Sunday. | 这里真正发生的是,我们确实在星期天签署了谅解备忘录。 |
| 539 | That locked into the terms of the deal. | 这被锁定在交易条款。 |
| 540 | What the Iranians came to us and said is we'd like not to release the text until Friday. | 伊朗人来找我们说,我们想在星期五之前不发布文本。 |
| 541 | I don't really understand that. | 我不太明白这一点。 |
| 542 | I wanted to get the text out immediately. | 我想马上把短信传出去 |
| 543 | But in order to be accommodating to them, we said, sure, OK, we'll wait until Friday. | 但为了照顾他们,我们说,当然,我们会等到星期五。 |
| 544 | And then what happened over Monday, Tuesday, the President was in G7. | 然后,星期一,星期二发生的事情, 总统在七国集团。 |
| 545 | Maybe foreign leaders were talking to the Iranians and encouraging them to do that. | 也许外国领导人正在和伊朗人交谈,并鼓励他们这样做。 |
| 546 | We were definitely saying to them, we understand your desire not to have the text out until Friday, but we live in a democratic system. | 我们确实在对他们说,我们理解你不希望在星期五之前公布文本,但我们生活在民主制度中。 |
| 547 | The American people want to see the text of this deal. | 美国人民想要看到这个交易的文本. |
| 548 | We would certainly like to get it out as soon as possible. | 我们当然希望尽快把它拿出来。 |
| 549 | And so they came up with having their President sign it, our President sign it, and then just releasing the text as a signed document immediately at that point. | 因此,他们想出了让主席签字,我们的总统签字,然后立即将案文作为签字文件公布。 |
| 550 | I do wonder, Rob, just this is pure conjecture. | 我很想知道,罗布,这只是纯粹的猜测。 |
| 551 | I'm just guessing at this. | 我只是猜测一下 |
| 552 | I wonder if part of it is that they wanted to have a Persian translation, a Farsi translation that they felt good about. | 我怀疑其中的一部分是否是他们想要有波斯语译本,波斯语译本,他们觉得很好. |
| 553 | And then, of course, once they translated into Farsi, our State Department has to confirm that the Farsi translation matches the meaning of the English. | 当然,一旦他们翻译成波斯语,我们国务院必须确认波斯语的翻译与英语的意思相符。 |
| 554 | I think that is part of what was going on here. | 我认为这是这里所发生的事情的一部分。 |
| 555 | But the text is out there now. | 但是,文本已经出来了。 |
| 556 | We said that we would be transparent about it. | 我们说过,我们将对此保持透明。 |
| 557 | But the reason why it went back and forth a little bit about when exactly the text would be released is just we were trying to show good faith to the Iranians, | 但是,为什么它来回 一点点关于什么时候 准确的文本会发布 只是我们试图 显示诚意 伊朗人, |
| 558 | who for reasons I have no idea cared a lot about how the text itself was rolled out. | 我对文本本身是如何推出的很在意 |
| 559 | Blue tie there. | 蓝色领带 |
| 560 | Thank you very much, Vice President. | 非常感谢,副总统 |
| 561 | As you know, because you were involved in this process, the MOU allows for Iran to sell its oil right away, | 如你所知,因为你参与了这一进程, 谅解备忘录允许伊朗立即出售石油, |
| 562 | which means that Iran can take in on a monthly basis tens of millions of dollars. | 这意味着伊朗可以每月接受数千万美元。 |
| 563 | Iran's economy was in tatters. | 伊朗的经济陷入困境。 |
| 564 | How is this not essentially giving a lifeline to Iran economically? | 这在经济上如何不给伊朗一条生命线? |
| 565 | And what's to prevent Iran from using all of that money, all of those millions of dollars, to prop up its proxies in the region? | 何以阻止伊朗使用所有的钱,所有那些数百万美元,来支撑其在该地区的代理人? |
| 566 | Well, the number one thing is that we actually see where the money moves now because of what we've done with the financial sanctions. | 最重要的是,我们真正看到 钱现在移动的地方, 因为我们做了 金融制裁。 |
| 567 | We actually know where the money is going to move. | 我们实际上知道钱会在哪里移动。 |
| 568 | And so we have great confidence that we're going to be able to see if they try to fund terrorist organizations. | 因此我们非常有信心,我们将会看到他们是否试图资助恐怖组织. |
| 569 | We're going to be able to see that. | 即能观心. |
| 570 | But you said that millions of dollars is a lifeline. | 但你说数百万美元是一条生命线 |
| 571 | Right now, the Iranian nation is a nation of 94 million people. | 现在,伊朗是一个有9 400万人的国家。 |
| 572 | Their economy is in a freefall. | 他们的经济正在自由落地。 |
| 573 | They have sky-high inflation. | 他们的通胀率很高 |
| 574 | And fundamentally, about a trillion dollars of damage to their industrial base was caused over the last three months. | 从根本上说,在过去三个月里, 他们的工业基础遭受了大约一万亿美元的损失。 |
| 575 | The idea that selling a few million dollars worth of oil is going to fundamentally transform the Iranian economy, that's just not true. | 卖掉价值几百万美元的石油 将会从根本上改变伊朗的经济, 这不是真的。 |
| 576 | We thought that it would be good, in order to lift the blockade and open the straits of Hormuz, to allow the free flow of energy. | 我们认为,为了解除封锁和打开霍尔木兹海峡,允许能源自由流动,这将是一件好事。 |
| 577 | We felt that it was reasonable that if we're going to allow everybody else to sell their energy during this period of negotiation, we would allow everyone to sell their energy. | 我们觉得,如果我们要让其他人在这段谈判期间出售他们的能源,我们就应该让每个人出售他们的能源,这是很合理的. |
| 578 | That's all we're doing. | 这就是我们要做的。 |
| 579 | We can slap everything right back on if the Iranians don't make the deal that we expect. | 如果伊朗人不做我们所期望的交易,我们就能把一切都打回来。 |
| 580 | Either one. | 任何一个 |
| 581 | Yeah, yeah. | 对 对 |
| 582 | Guys, how about both of you? | 伙计们,你们两个怎么样? |
| 583 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 584 | Mr. Vice President, so President Trump said we'll finish one, talking about Iran, and he said then Cuba is next. | 副总统先生,所以川普总统说,我们将完成一个,谈论伊朗,他说然后古巴是下一个. |
| 585 | Is Cuba next? | 古巴是下一个吗? |
| 586 | And also on Colombia, Mr. Vice President, he has mentioned Colombia three times this week. | 同样关于哥伦比亚,副总统先生,他本周三次提到哥伦比亚。 |
| 587 | Why is it so important, the election day in Colombia, for President Trump? | 为什么哥伦比亚选举日对川普总统如此重要? |
| 588 | You guys have to ask Marco about Cuba. | 你们得问马可古巴的事 |
| 589 | That's not... | 这不是... |
| 590 | Look, our view, go ahead in a second, but let me just actually answer this guy's question. | 听着,我们的观点,马上开始, 但让我回答这家伙的问题。 |
| 591 | Fundamentally, in Cuba, it is a system that hasn't worked. | 从根本上说,在古巴,这是一个没有发挥作用的制度。 |
| 592 | They can't make any money. | 他们赚不到钱 |
| 593 | Their economy is, frankly, probably in worse shape than the Iranian economy. | 坦率地说,伊朗的经济可能比伊朗的经济更糟糕。 |
| 594 | It's 90 miles from our shore, so every time that there's a crisis, you end up having desperate refugees or desperate people who can't feed their families trying to flood into our country. | 离我们岸边90英里,所以每次发生危机,你最后都有绝望的难民或绝望的人,他们无法养活他们的家人,试图淹没我们的国家. |
| 595 | We want the people of Cuba to be happy and successful. | 我们希望古巴人民快乐和成功。 |
| 596 | We're actually talking to the Iranian, or excuse me, the Cuban government right now about how they could change their ways to change that. | 我们实际上在和伊朗人交谈, 或者说,原谅我,古巴政府,现在 他们可以如何改变他们的方式改变这一点。 |
| 597 | We're going to see what they do, and obviously, if they do one thing, we're going to do something. | 我们要看看他们做了什么, 显然,如果他们做了一件事, 我们要做一些事情。 |
| 598 | If they make smart decisions, we're going to have a much better relationship with that island. | 如果他们做明智的决定, 我们将会有一个更好的关系 该岛屿。 |
| 599 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 600 | Hi, Mr. Vice President. | 嗨,副总统先生。 |
| 601 | Mr. Vice President, thank you so much. | 副总统先生,非常感谢 |
| 602 | I know that you are still not sure if you are going to run for president in 2028, but if you do not, | 我知道你仍然不确定 你是否将在2028年竞选总统 但如果你不同意 |
| 603 | is there anyone in particular that you would want to see run? | 有没有人特别想见跑步? |
| 604 | What's your name? | 你叫什么来着? |
| 605 | Steven Kapuska, sir. | 史蒂文·卡普斯卡 长官 |
| 606 | I want Steven Kapuska to run for president in 2028. | 我要史蒂文·卡普斯卡在2028年竞选总统 |
| 607 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 608 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 609 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 610 | Thank you, Vice President. | 谢谢,副总统 |
| 611 | I've got two questions. | 我有两个问题 |
| 612 | Could you describe the status of your Switzerland trip? | 你能描述一下你的瑞士之旅吗? |
| 613 | Are you definitely still going? | 你真的还要去吗? |
| 614 | What are your plans? | 你有什么计划? |
| 615 | And also, if we could drill down on frozen funds, there's been a lot of focus on oil sanctions, | 而且,如果我们可以钻探 冻结资金, 有很多关注 石油制裁, |
| 616 | but on frozen funds, what's your understanding of how much money is frozen? | 但是在冻结资金上 你对冻结多少钱有什么了解? |
| 617 | How much of that is in the U.S.? | 这在美国有多少? |
| 618 | And a senior administration official briefed some of us reporters earlier this week that there might be | 一名高级行政人员在本周早些时候向我们的一些记者作了简报: |
| 619 | small ante's, is what he said, like small releases of money to build trust with the Iranians early on. | 他说的是小的Ate's, 就像小的放款 早期与伊朗人建立信任。 |
| 620 | Can you describe that whole situation? | 你能描述一下整个情况吗? |
| 621 | So on the frozen funds, the amount of money, I honestly don't know. | 所以,关于冻结的资金, 金额,我真的不知道。 |
| 622 | I've heard numbers north of $100 billion. | 我听说过1000亿美元的数字 |
| 623 | I've actually heard numbers north of $200 billion. | 我听说过2000亿美元的数字。 |
| 624 | Most of it is not in United States accounts. | 其中大部分不在美国账户中。 |
| 625 | Most of it is either in the Gulf or in Europe or somewhere else. | 大部分分布于海湾或欧洲或其他地方. |
| 626 | But I don't know the exact amount of money. | 但我不知道钱的确切数额 |
| 627 | It's a lot. | 甚处来. |
| 628 | It's one of the reasons why we've had such a successful chokehold on the Iranian economy, | 这是我们成功扼杀伊朗经济的原因之一 |
| 629 | though not even close to the main reason. | 虽然甚至没有接近 的主要原因。 |
| 630 | We're not releasing a single dollar of that money until the Iranians perform. | 在伊朗人表演之前 我们不会放一美元钱 |
| 631 | And there are a number of ways they could perform. | 它们有几种方法可以表演。 |
| 632 | For example, let's say they actually take meaningful steps. | 例如,让我们假设它们实际上采取了有意义的步骤. |
| 633 | And this could happen very quickly to destroy that stockpile of enriched material. | 这可能会很快地销毁浓缩材料的储存。 |
| 634 | Then we're going to have a conversation about it. | 后约众说. |
| 635 | But they have to perform. | 但他们必须表演。 |
| 636 | I've seen some reports. | 我看过一些报告 |
| 637 | I don't know where this came from, that the Qataris had released billions of dollars in Iranian assets. | 我不知道这是从哪里来的, 卡塔尔人释放了数十亿美元 伊朗资产。 |
| 638 | That's just not true. | 这不是真的 |
| 639 | It would be impossible for the Qataris to do that without our buy-in and certainly without us seeing it. | 没有我们的接受和我们当然没有看到,卡塔尔人就不可能这样做。 |
| 640 | So a lot of this reporting is just fundamentally wrong. | 因此,很多这样的报告是完全错误的。 |
| 641 | They don't get a dollar of unfrozen assets, their money, not our money, | 他们得不到一美元解冻资产, 他们的钱,不是我们的钱, |
| 642 | but they don't get a dollar of unfrozen assets until they actually perform under the deal. | 但是,他们没有得到一美元 解冻资产,直到他们 实际履行协议。 |
| 643 | You asked about Switzerland. | 你问了瑞士的事 |
| 644 | Our plan is to go to Switzerland. | 我们的计划是去瑞士 |
| 645 | I don't know exactly when. | 我不知道具体时间 |
| 646 | The way that we're setting up this technical negotiation is that obviously, | 我们安排这次技术谈判的方式显然是, |
| 647 | you're going to have the political leadership involved. | 你会让政治领袖参与其中 |
| 648 | We're going to have people on the ground actually driving the technical talks, the nuclear talks, | 我们要让地面上的人 真正推动技术会谈 核会谈 |
| 649 | how do you destroy this highly enriched uranium, | 你怎么销毁这种高浓缩铀? |
| 650 | all that stuff that you really just have to get into the nitty-gritty on. | 所有的东西,你真的需要 进入nitty -gritty。 |
| 651 | So I plan to go to Switzerland exactly when we thought, | 所以我打算去瑞士 恰好当我们想, |
| 652 | we think these technical negotiations are going to start sometime this weekend. | 我们认为,这些技术谈判将于本周末开始。 |
| 653 | That's still the plan. | 这还是计划 |
| 654 | But that could change because it's not an easy country, Iran, to get out of. | 但是,这可能会改变,因为它不是一个容易脱离的国家,伊朗. |
| 655 | And so we're trying to figure out exactly when that's going to happen. | 因此,我们试图 找出确切的时间。 |
| 656 | I suspect this weekend, but I'm not sure. | 我怀疑这个周末 但我不确定 |
| 657 | It just depends on exactly when the Iranians can get there. | 这要看伊朗人何时能到那里 |
| 658 | We're trying to figure that out as we speak. | 我们说话的时候正在想 |
| 659 | But again, I suspect it will happen this weekend. | 但我还是怀疑这周末会发生 |
| 660 | We're going to find out exactly when in the coming days. | 我们要查清楚未来几天的具体时间 |
| 661 | Thank you so much, Mr. Vice President. | 非常感谢,副总统先生。 |
| 662 | Just two questions for you. | 给你两个问题 |
| 663 | To follow up on an earlier question, | 为了跟进之前的问题 |
| 664 | Secretary Rubio said in March that the goal of this war was | 鲁比奥国务卿在3月说,这场战争的目标是 |
| 665 | to quote, to eliminate the threat of Iran's short-range ballistic missiles. | 例如,消除伊朗短程弹道导弹的威胁。 |
| 666 | You just said earlier that the military program is destroyed. | 你刚才说军事计划被摧毁了 |
| 667 | U.S. intelligence estimates that Iran still retains roughly 70% | 美国情报部门估计伊朗仍保留约70% |
| 668 | of its pre-war ballistic and cruise missile stockpile. | 其战前弹道导弹和巡航导弹储存。 |
| 669 | So when did the administration decide to abandon | 所以当政府决定放弃 |
| 670 | that part of the original mission? | 原任务的那部分? |
| 671 | And then just second as well, moving forward, | 紧接着,继续前进, |
| 672 | are you leading the U.S. team moving forward in terms of the negotiations? | 你是在带领美国队在谈判方面前进吗? |
| 673 | How involved will you be? | 你会怎样参与? |
| 674 | Yeah, so I'm certainly planning to lead the U.S. negotiating team. | 是的,所以我肯定计划 领导美国的谈判小组。 |
| 675 | But on the first question, you talked about an intelligence report | 但第一个问题,你说的是情报报告 |
| 676 | that was anonymously leaked to a reporter that was not with context | 匿名泄露给一个没有背景的记者 |
| 677 | and that frankly is not accurate. | 坦率地说,这是不准确的。 |
| 678 | What has changed about the Iranian Ballistics Missile Program | 伊朗弹道导弹计划的变化 |
| 679 | is it matters much less the number of missiles they have, | 他们拥有的导弹数量不重要 |
| 680 | the number of bullets. | 子弹的数量。 |
| 681 | What matters much more is the number of launchers they have | 更重要的是他们的发射器数量 |
| 682 | and importantly the teams on the ground that have the capacity | 特别是当地有能力的小组 |
| 683 | to launch those missiles. | 发射导弹。 |
| 684 | Their ability to launch missiles has been substantially degraded. | 它们发射导弹的能力已大幅度下降。 |
| 685 | Is it zero? | 是零吗? |
| 686 | No, but it's substantially degraded. | 没有,但它已经严重退化。 |
| 687 | And in that sense, we haven't abandoned the mission. | 从这个意义上来说,我们并没有放弃这个任务. |
| 688 | We have accomplished that particular part of the mission. | 我们完成了这一具体任务。 |
| 689 | If you look at the Gulf Arab allies and obviously the Israelis | 如果你看看海湾阿拉伯盟国 和很明显的以色列人 |
| 690 | who faced a lot, the two of them together, | 他们面对了很多, 他们两个在一起, |
| 691 | faced a brunt of these missile attacks, | 在导弹袭击中首当其冲, |
| 692 | each of them feels substantially safer today | 每个人今天都觉得很安全 |
| 693 | from the Iranian missile threat than they did before. | 伊朗的导弹威胁 比他们之前。 |
| 694 | Obviously, that is something that we would like to continue. | 显然,我们希望继续这样做。 |
| 695 | All the President said yesterday is that you can't expect any country | 总统昨天说 你不能指望任何国家 |
| 696 | to give up its right of self-defense. | 放弃自卫的权利。 |
| 697 | You have to have parity. | 你必须有平等。 |
| 698 | And that's what the President of the United States was talking about. | 并且这就是美国总统所说的. |
| 699 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 700 | No, no, guys, guys, guys. | 不,不,伙计们,伙计们。 |
| 701 | You've seen the reaction to the MOU, | 你看到了对谅解备忘录的反应, |
| 702 | the Memorandum of Understanding. | 谅解备忘录。 |
| 703 | I haven't. | 我没有。 |
| 704 | What did he say? | 他说什么? |
| 705 | I'll give you the short version. | 简释文. |
| 706 | He says he welcomes the agreement between the U.S. and Iran. | 他说他欢迎美国和伊朗之间的协议. |
| 707 | He says he hopes it will help strengthen mutual trust, | 他说他希望能加强相互信任 |
| 708 | security, and stability in the Middle East. | 中东的安全与稳定。 |
| 709 | And he also hopes that it's truly a solution to the war | 他也希望这能真正解决战争 |
| 710 | and that the war is really over. | 战争真的结束了 |
| 711 | What do you say to the Pope, sir? | 你对教皇怎么说,先生? |
| 712 | My response to that is praise Jesus. | 我的反应是赞美耶稣。 |
| 713 | I'm glad that the Pope has positive things to say about our MOU. | 我很高兴教皇对我们的谅解备忘录有正面的看法。 |
| 714 | I think that the Pope is fundamentally accurate | 我认为教皇是完全准确的 |
| 715 | and it's going to be good for the entire world. | 这对整个世界都有好处 |
| 716 | But we've got to keep working at it to make sure | 但我们得继续努力以确保 |
| 717 | that the Iranians honor the commitments that they've made. | 伊朗人信守他们的承诺 |
| 718 | And then he has to go in front. | 然后他必须去前面。 |
| 719 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 720 | Thank you, Mr. President. | 谢谢你,总统先生。 |
| 721 | The thing is, there's so many people in here, | 问题是,这里有很多人 |
| 722 | I could say the red tie and the nine of you start shouting at us. | 我可以说红领带和你们九人开始大喊大叫 |
| 723 | The burgundy tie? | 勃艮第领带? |
| 724 | There we go, that guy. | 就是这样,那家伙。 |
| 725 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 726 | The MOU calls for a U.S. troop withdrawal from the Gulf region | 谅解备忘录要求美国部队撤出海湾地区 |
| 727 | tied to the final deal. | 和最后的交易有关 |
| 728 | Can you say whether the drawdown will affect U.S. forces past | 你能说说缩编是否会影响美军过去吗? |
| 729 | Iraq and Syria where American troops currently help protect | 美军目前帮助保护的伊拉克和叙利亚 |
| 730 | Kurdish health areas from the Iranian-backed militias? | 伊朗支持的民兵的库尔德卫生区? |
| 731 | Okay, so the drawdown contemplated again. | 好吧,所以削减再次考虑。 |
| 732 | This is the final deal. | 这是最后的交易。 |
| 733 | This is assuming that the Iranians comply, | 这是假设伊朗人遵守, |
| 734 | that they give us verification, that they take real, | 他们给我们的验证, 他们采取真正的, |
| 735 | substantial conduct towards this peace agreement. | 为达成这项和平协定采取了实质性行动。 |
| 736 | What we're saying is that we will withdraw troops to the | 我们说的是,我们会把军队撤回到 |
| 737 | pre-conflict level, meaning we're not going to keep a couple | 冲突前的水平,意味着我们不会保留一对夫妇 |
| 738 | of extra aircraft carrier groups over there. | 那边有其他航空母舰 |
| 739 | The Iranians don't want that, frankly. | 坦率地说,伊朗人不希望这样。 |
| 740 | We don't want that either. | 我们也不想这样 |
| 741 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 742 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 743 | We're going to be funding that $300 billion fund. | 我们将出资3000亿美元。 |
| 744 | Who exactly is funding that? | 这到底是谁的资助? |
| 745 | Is that private companies? | 那是私营公司吗? |
| 746 | And I also noticed that your voice is hoarse. | 我也注意到你的声音很粗糙 |
| 747 | Are you sick? | 你病了吗? |
| 748 | Have you been using your voice a lot? | 你经常用你的声音吗? |
| 749 | Well, I've been on a bit of a book tour the past couple of days, | 嗯,我去过 一点点的书游 过去几天, |
| 750 | but I can't promote my book here in the White House press | 但我不能在这里宣传我的书 在白宫出版社 |
| 751 | briefing room. | 简报室。 |
| 752 | I had a cold about a week ago. | 一个星期前我感冒了 |
| 753 | That and talking a lot about this deal and talking a lot | 和谈了很多关于这个交易和谈了很多 |
| 754 | about the book, I'm definitely a little bit hoarse. | 关于这本书,我绝对有点粗鲁。 |
| 755 | But you asked, your first question was about? | 但你问, 你的第一个问题是关于? |
| 756 | Who exactly is funding that $300 billion? | 这3 000亿美元的资金究竟是谁? |
| 757 | Oh, I see. | 原来如此 |
| 758 | So what's interesting about this is there is a great desire from | 因此,有趣的是,有一个伟大的愿望来自 |
| 759 | the Arab world and from outside the Arab world to actually get | 阿拉伯世界以及阿拉伯世界以外的地区 |
| 760 | involved in Iran if they behave properly. | 若他们行为正常,他们就会卷入伊朗。 |
| 761 | So, for example, let's say the United Arab Emirates, | 比如说阿拉伯联合酋长国 |
| 762 | who have been a great ally over the last not just a few months | 他们在过去的几个月里一直是伟大的盟友 |
| 763 | but over the last many years, let's say that they would like | 但在过去的很多年里 我们假设他们喜欢 |
| 764 | to invest in building a power plant. | 投资建设发电厂。 |
| 765 | That actually is impossible right now because of the way | 这实际上是不可能的 现在因为的方式 |
| 766 | that U.S. sanctions work. | 美国的制裁工作。 |
| 767 | And so what we're saying is that if you behave and if the | 所以,我们说的是 如果你的行为,如果 |
| 768 | Emiratis themselves want to build a power plant, | 阿联酋想要建造一座电厂, |
| 769 | then we will do the sanctions relief necessary to make that | 然后我们将采取必要的制裁措施,使 |
| 770 | possible. | 也许吧 |
| 771 | The good thing about that is that it actually creates | 好处是它真的创造了 |
| 772 | integration, which is leverage. | 一体化,即杠杆作用。 |
| 773 | A world where the Gulf Coast Coalition has greater leverage | 一个海湾沿岸联盟拥有更大影响力的世界 |
| 774 | into the Iranian economy is a world where the Iranians are | 进入伊朗的经济 是一个伊朗人的世界 |
| 775 | going to be heavily prevented from misbehaving. | 将大力防止行为失当。 |
| 776 | So it's a lot of the Gulf Coast Coalition, | 所以这是很多 海湾海岸联盟, |
| 777 | again, they see that Iran is weakened. | 他们再次看到伊朗被削弱。 |
| 778 | They see there's an opportunity to build a new relationship | 他们觉得有机会建立新的关系 |
| 779 | there. | 这里 |
| 780 | And they're saying if they behave and if the United States | 他们说,如果他们的行为 如果美国 |
| 781 | is willing to allow this to happen, | 愿意让这一切发生, |
| 782 | then absolutely we want to change our relationship | 那么我们绝对想改变我们的关系 |
| 783 | with Iran. | 与伊朗。 |
| 784 | Well, I mean, I assume that in the United Arab Emirates there | 嗯,我的意思是,我想 在阿拉伯联合酋长国那里 |
| 785 | would be private money and so forth that would be part of | 将会是私人资金,等等,这将是 |
| 786 | this. | 这个 |
| 787 | But again, this is so far in advance because it assumes | 再说一遍,这太早了,因为它假设 |
| 788 | a transformation in Iranian behavior. | 伊朗行为的转变。 |
| 789 | Sir. | 师曰. |
| 790 | Thank you so much, Mr. Vice President. | 非常感谢,副总统先生。 |
| 791 | As you know, the Iranian-backed groups in the region were | 如你所知,该地区伊朗支持的团体 |
| 792 | involved in this war and they damaged U.S. facilities and | 参与这场战争 他们破坏了美国的设施 |
| 793 | your allies as well. | 你的盟友也一样。 |
| 794 | How does this agreement affect Iran-backed groups across the | 该协议如何影响伊朗支持的团体,包括伊朗、伊朗、伊朗、伊朗、伊朗、伊朗、伊朗、伊朗、伊朗、伊朗、伊朗、伊朗、伊朗、伊朗、伊朗、伊朗、伊朗、伊朗、伊朗和伊朗。 |
| 795 | region, especially the Iranian-backed groups in Iran? | 特别是伊朗支持的团体? |
| 796 | And my second question, this agreement requires Iran to stop | 我的第二个问题是 协议要求伊朗停止 |
| 797 | attacking the Kurdish opposition in Kurdistan region, | 攻击库尔德斯坦地区的库尔德反对派, |
| 798 | which they did two days ago? | 他们两天前做的? |
| 799 | So what this agreement does fundamentally is it requires | 协议的本质是要求 |
| 800 | Iran to behave like a normal country. | 伊朗的行为就像一个正常的国家。 |
| 801 | And if it doesn't, as so many people think that it never will, | 如果它没有, 像这么多人认为它永远不会, |
| 802 | then it doesn't get any of the economic benefits. | 那么它就得不到任何经济效益。 |
| 803 | And if they do, then that's a great thing for everybody. | 如果他们这样做,那对每个人都是件好事。 |
| 804 | It's a great thing for the Kurds. | 这对库尔德人来说是件大事. |
| 805 | It's a great thing for anybody who has been under the brunt or | 对于任何首当其冲的人来说都是一件好事 |
| 806 | under the threat of Iranian-funded terrorist | 在伊朗资助的恐怖分子的威胁下 |
| 807 | organizations. | 组织。 |
| 808 | The expectation is that Iran will stop that, and if they | 伊朗将停止, |
| 809 | don't, they don't get the benefits of the bargain. | 不要,他们得不到交易的好处。 |
| 810 | John. | 约翰 |
| 811 | Thank you, Mr. Vice President. | 谢谢你,副总统先生 |
| 812 | Many of the colleagues that you served with in the U.S. | 很多你在美国工作的同事 |
| 813 | Senate and Republican conference have criticized this deal over | 参议院和共和党会议批评这个交易 |
| 814 | the last 24 hours. | 过去24小时。 |
| 815 | What is your message, Mr. Vice President, back to that? | 副总统先生,你有什么信息? |
| 816 | So I guess I would say to anybody, any of the critics, | 所以我想我会告诉任何人 任何批评者 |
| 817 | is, number one, have a little bit of faith in the President of | 第一,对总统有一点信心 |
| 818 | the United States, the idea that he is going to strike a deal | 美国,他打算达成协议的想法 |
| 819 | that's been bad for the American people, it's preposterous. | 这对美国人民来说是不好的,这是荒谬的。 |
| 820 | He is the person who has had the courage to fundamentally | 他是一个有勇气的人 根本上 |
| 821 | transform our relationship with Iran and with a lot of other | 改变我们与伊朗的关系 和许多其他 |
| 822 | countries over the last year and a half. | 过去的一年半中, |
| 823 | He believes in this deal. | 他相信这个交易。 |
| 824 | He is going to see it to completion. | 他一定会完成的 |
| 825 | And if the Iranians don't comply, we still have every | 如果伊朗人不服从,我们还有 |
| 826 | single tool and point of leverage that we have today. | 我们今天拥有的单一工具和杠杆点。 |
| 827 | That would be message number one, is have a little faith in | 这是第一个信息, 有点相信 |
| 828 | the President's ability, given that he's got us this far, | 总统的能力, 鉴于他已经把我们带到了这么远, |
| 829 | to take us the final step. | 采取最后一步。 |
| 830 | The second thing that I would say is so many of what I've read | 我要说的第二件事是,我读了很多 |
| 831 | or heard that people believe about this deal is just | 或者听说人们相信这个交易 |
| 832 | fundamentally untrue. | 根本不真实 |
| 833 | It is a memorandum of understanding. | 这是一份谅解备忘录。 |
| 834 | It is fundamentally a principle that, yes, the straits of | 从根本上讲,这是一条原则,即: |
| 835 | Hormuz are going to be open immediately, and they already | 荷尔穆兹马上要开门了,他们已经 |
| 836 | are, are, yes, they're going to give up their highly enriched | 是,是的,他们会放弃他们的高富 |
| 837 | material, but they've got to actually do it. | 物质,但他们必须这样做。 |
| 838 | It's about conduct. | 是为行为. |
| 839 | It's about rewarding good conduct and punishing bad | 是奖励好人,惩罚坏人 |
| 840 | conduct, which in some ways is what we've been doing for the | 在某些方面,这就是我们一直在为 |
| 841 | last three months vis-a-vis that country anyway. | 与这个国家相比,过去三个月。 |
| 842 | So many of the criticisms, I saw Lindsey Graham came out with a | 所以很多批评,我看到林西・格雷厄姆 出来了一个 |
| 843 | positive statement after expressing some concerns. | 在表达某些关切之后,发表积极的声明。 |
| 844 | I think that when people get to understand not just the | 我认为,当人们开始理解 不只是 |
| 845 | agreement, but our negotiating posture as a country, they will | 但是我们作为一个国家的谈判姿态,他们会 |
| 846 | realize this is an excellent thing for the American people, | 这对美国人民来说是件好事, |
| 847 | but that's part of our job. | 但那是我们工作的一部分 |
| 848 | We've got to tell the story about what this means for | 我们必须说出这个故事的意义 |
| 849 | Americans, how it's going to make all of us safer and more | 美国人,它会如何让我们所有人更加安全 |
| 850 | prosperous. | 繁荣 |
| 851 | That's why I'm here talking to everybody, and we're going to | 这就是为什么我在这里 与每个人,我们要去 |
| 852 | keep on telling that story in the days and weeks to come. | 在未来几天和几周里继续讲这个故事 |
| 853 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 854 | The Press. | 澎湃新闻. |
| 855 | 乔丹康拉德森与Gateway Pundit。 | |
| 856 | I want to talk back to the Lebanon podium. | 我想回到黎巴嫩讲台上。 |
| 857 | There's a report in Axios that Netanyahu is fuming over this. | 有报道说内塔尼亚胡正在熏蒸 |
| 858 | Israel doesn't feel bound to the MOU as it relates to Lebanon. | 以色列并不认为谅解备忘录与黎巴嫩有关。 |
| 859 | If, as you mentioned, your frustration with Israel's | 如果,正如你所提到的,你对以色列的挫折 |
| 860 | strike is real striking in Hebrew-hitting apartment | 在打希伯来语的公寓里 罢工真是惊人 |
| 861 | buildings, if that continues, could it torpedo the deal? | 建筑,如果继续, 它会破坏交易? |
| 862 | And what would the U.S.'s response be to a broader war | 美国对一场更广泛的战争的反应是什么? |
| 863 | in Lebanon involving Israel and Hezbollah? | 在黎巴嫩有以色列和真主党参与? |
| 864 | Well, I don't want to get into hypotheticals that could | 好吧,我不想进入假设 可以 |
| 865 | torpedo the deal because I think the President's expectation is | 我认为总统的期望是 |
| 866 | that all of our friends, the Israelis, the Arabs in the | 我们所有的朋友,以色列人,阿拉伯人 |
| 867 | region, we're going to work together and actually see this | 区域,我们将一起工作 并看到这个 |
| 868 | deal to completion. | 交易完成。 |
| 869 | Now, I saw the Axios report that Netanyahu is fuming. | 现在,我看到Axios报告,内塔尼亚胡正在熏蒸。 |
| 870 | That's not reflective of the conversations that I've had with | 这不能反映我和别人的谈话 |
| 871 | him, but maybe he's saying something to somebody else that | 但也许他在跟别人说 |
| 872 | he's not saying to me. | 他没有对我说。 |
| 873 | What I will say, and this does bother me, is that you have seen | 我会说,这确实让我困扰, 是,你见过 |
| 874 | people within Bibi's Cabinet who have come out and attacked | 比比内阁里的人 出来攻击 |
| 875 | the deal and in some ways very personally attacked the | 并在某些方面 亲自攻击 |
| 876 | President of the United States. | 美国总统. |
| 877 | And I guess my message to them would be twofold. | 我想我给他们的信息是双重的。 |
| 878 | Number one, Donald J. Trump is the only head of state in the | 第一,唐纳德·特朗普是唯一一位国家元首 |
| 879 | entire world who is sympathetic to the nation of Israel at this | 同情以色列民族的全世界 |
| 880 | moment in time, and he happens to be the head of state of the | 他恰巧是国家首脑 |
| 881 | world's superpower. | 世界的超级力量。 |
| 882 | If I was in the Cabinet of the Israeli government, I might not | 如果我是以色列政府的内阁,我可能不会 |
| 883 | be attacking the only powerful ally that I have anywhere left | 攻击我唯一强大的盟友 |
| 884 | in the entire world. | 在整个世界。 |
| 885 | And the second message I would give to some of those Cabinet | 我要给内阁的第二个信息 |
| 886 | members, Bibi, to his credit, has not gone down this path, but | Bibi先生的委员们没有走这条路,但 |
| 887 | to some of these Cabinet members in Israel who are attacking the | 向以色列境内一些正在攻击 |
| 888 | President of the United States, the other thing that I would | 美国总统,另外一件事,我会 |
| 889 | say is that over the last three months, two-thirds of the | 说在过去三个月里,三分之二的 |
| 890 | defensive weapons that have protected your homeland have | 保卫祖国的防御武器 |
| 891 | been built by American hands and paid for by American tax dollars. | 由美国人手建造,由美国税元支付. |
| 892 | The problem for Israel is not Donald J. Trump. | 以色列的问题不是唐纳德·J·特朗普. |
| 893 | And anybody in Israel who thinks their biggest problem is the | 以色列的任何人 谁认为他们最大的问题是 |
| 894 | President of the United States needs to wake up and smell the | 美国总统需要醒来闻闻 |
| 895 | reality of the situation that country is in. | 国家局势的现实。 |
| 896 | Thank you all. | 谢谢大家 |
| 897 | What do you think about the world, hang on. | 你怎么看这个世界,坚持住。 |
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