儒家智慧与现代挑战：如何从中国传统思想中吸取生态文明建设的养
字幕摘录
| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:06 | Alright everybody, thank you for your patience. | 好了,各位,谢谢你的耐心。 |
| 0:08 | We're gonna get started now. | 我们现在就要开始了 |
| 0:10 | My name is Devin | 我叫德温 |
| 0:11 | Lau and I am the Associate Director here at Yale Center Beijing. | 刘和我是耶鲁中心北京的副局长 |
| 0:15 | Welcome to all of you for being | 欢迎各位光临 |
| 0:16 | here. | 在这里。 |
| 0:17 | How many of you guys are here for the first time? | 你们有多少人第一次来这里? |
| 0:19 | Oh wow, great, that's amazing. | 哦,哇,太棒了,这是惊人的。 |
| 0:23 | Usually it's | 通常是这样 |
| 0:23 | you know the same people come back and it's good to see old friends but it's also even better to | 你知道同一个人回来 很高兴见到老朋友 但更妙的是 |
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| 1 | Alright everybody, thank you for your patience. | 好了,各位,谢谢你的耐心。 |
| 2 | We're gonna get started now. | 我们现在就要开始了 |
| 3 | My name is Devin | 我叫德温 |
| 4 | Lau and I am the Associate Director here at Yale Center Beijing. | 刘和我是耶鲁中心北京的副局长 |
| 5 | Welcome to all of you for being | 欢迎各位光临 |
| 6 | here. | 在这里。 |
| 7 | How many of you guys are here for the first time? | 你们有多少人第一次来这里? |
| 8 | Oh wow, great, that's amazing. | 哦,哇,太棒了,这是惊人的。 |
| 9 | Usually it's | 通常是这样 |
| 10 | you know the same people come back and it's good to see old friends but it's also even better to | 你知道同一个人回来 很高兴见到老朋友 但更妙的是 |
| 11 | and hopefully you guys become our old friends. | 希望你们成为我们的老朋友 |
| 12 | So since there's so many new people here I'll give | 既然这里有这么多新人,我愿意 |
| 13 | you a quick introduction of Yale Center Beijing. | 耶鲁中心北京的简介 |
| 14 | We were established in 2014 so we are now in our | 我们成立于2014年 所以现在我们 |
| 15 | 10th year of operation and the goal is really to bring the best that Yale has to offer to an | 10年的运行目标 真的是给耶鲁带来最好的 |
| 16 | audience here in China and really across all of Asia and we've found that our reach is now pretty | 观众在中国 并真正横跨整个亚洲 我们已经发现,我们的影响力 现在相当 |
| 17 | global and so we're very happy to have you all here as part of today's program. | 全球,所以我们很高兴 你们都在这里 作为今天计划的一部分。 |
| 18 | The topics that | 主题 |
| 19 | we cover range from drama and music and art history to astronomy and philosophy but of course | 我们从戏剧、音乐和艺术史 一直到天文学和哲学 |
| 20 | a very pressing issue that we're all concerned about globally is climate change and so luckily | 我们所有人都关心的一个非常紧迫的问题是气候变化,幸运的是 |
| 21 | we've had a good friend of the Yale Center Beijing as well as a good friend of China and a good friend | 北京耶鲁中心的好友 还有中国的好友和好友 |
| 22 | of mine I think joining us today Mary Evelyn Tucker as well as John Grim. | 今天我想玛丽・伊芙琳・塔克 以及约翰・格林也加入我们 |
| 23 | I'm going to let | 我会让 |
| 24 | our moderator for today introduce them more thoroughly but I just wanted to say that we're | 我们的主持人今天更详尽地介绍他们 但我只想说我们 |
| 25 | very happy to have them back here you know during the pandemic they weren't able to visit for a | 很高兴他们回到这里 你知道在大流行期间 他们不能来 |
| 26 | few years but pretty much before and after that they've been here almost every year since the | 几年后,他们几乎每年都会来这里 |
| 27 | center has been in existence so we're very happy to have them join us otherwise John and I would | 中心已经存在了 所以我们很高兴他们加入我们 否则约翰和我就会 |
| 28 | just be talking about gardening and flowers in Connecticut. | 说到康涅狄格州的园艺和花卉 |
| 29 | Today I'm not the official moderator | 今天我不是正式主持人 |
| 30 | I'm just here to welcome everybody and I'm going to turn it over to Bingbing Wang. | 我只是来欢迎大家的 我要把它交给王炳彬 |
| 31 | Bingbing is a | 宾宾是个 |
| 32 | Yale World Fellow in 2023 so she just came back not too long ago and she is currently the associate | 耶鲁世界研究员在2023年 所以她刚刚回来 不久前,她现在是合伙人 |
| 33 | dean and research professor at the Institute of Carbon Neutrality at Peking University. | 北京大学碳中立研究所院长兼研究教授. |
| 34 | I'll let | 我会让 |
| 35 | her tell you more about her current work but I will say that in her very short time at Yale which | 她告诉你更多关于她现在的工作 但我会说 在她在耶鲁大学的很短的时间内 |
| 36 | I think it was about what like four months I met so many people that when I said oh I'm Devin I work | 我想这大概是四个月 我认识这么多人 当我说哦 我是德文 我工作 |
| 37 | on China things with with Yale almost everybody that I said that to was like oh have you met Bingbing | 和耶鲁的中国关系 几乎是每个人 我说那就像 哦,你见过宾宾 |
| 38 | and so in four months the impact that she was able to have in a place like Yale is just incredible. | 所以四个月后 她能在耶鲁这样的地方 受到的影响是不可思议的 |
| 39 | I mean New Haven's not a huge city and so I think she pretty much knew everybody in that city and so | 我是说纽黑文不是个大城市 所以我觉得她很了解那个城市的每一个人 |
| 40 | very excited to see her here again in Beijing she is just full of energy and full of excitement and | 很高兴再次在北京见到她 她充满活力和兴奋 |
| 41 | I think she's exactly the type of people a person that we need working on issues of climate change | 我想她正是我们需要在 气候变化问题上工作的人 |
| 42 | because we need to get as many people excited about making a difference as we can and so with | 因为我们需要让尽可能多的人 兴奋地做一个 我们能做的改变 |
| 43 | that I'm going to turn it over to Bingbing. | 我要把它交给宾宾 |
| 44 | Thank you Devin so it's my great honor you know to visit | 谢谢你 德文 我很荣幸你能来看我 |
| 45 | Yale last autumn and also talk with Devin and a lot of great professors especially Mary and | 去年秋天耶鲁大学还和德文 以及许多伟大的教授,特别是玛丽和 |
| 46 | John and it's Mary who changed my journey from climate change to a bigger world so after a while | 约翰和玛丽改变了我的旅程 从气候变化到一个更大的世界 所以过了一段时间 |
| 47 | during our dialogue I'm sure we will talk more about this kind of transition so today our event | 在对话中,我相信我们会更多地谈论这种转变 所以今天我们的活动 |
| 48 | will focus on as Mary mentioned it should be the first dialogue here on eco civilization and just | 正如玛丽提到的那样,这将是关于生态文明的第一次对话。 |
| 49 | now I met a friend in the elevator and I asked her why you came here and she said oh because this | 现在我在电梯里遇到了一个朋友 我问她你为什么来这里 她说哦 因为这个 |
| 50 | event like it's a bridge between west and east and I think it's also a bridge between the modern | 它就像一座连接东西方的桥梁 我认为它也是一座连接现代世界的桥梁 |
| 51 | society and the ancient China so this is the key message from this event and we have distinguished | 社会 和古代的中国 所以这是这次活动的关键信息 |
| 52 | guests two distinguished guests to Mary and John first they are couple they love each other so | 两位贵宾先是玛丽和约翰 他们彼此相爱 |
| 53 | much and I should highlight this point and because I really you know impressed this I think this is | 我该强调这一点 因为我真的让你印象深刻 我认为这是 |
| 54 | important as a human and we have a stable relationship connection and they are so lucky | 人很重要 我们的关系很稳定 他们很幸运 |
| 55 | to have each other and we should learn from them from especially this perspective and they are the | 我们应当特别从这个角度学习,他们是 |
| 56 | cool co-producer executive producer of the journey of the universe Emmy awarded documentary and we | 酷联合制片人 宇宙之旅的执行制片人 艾美获奖纪录片 |
| 57 | just show this documentary in packing University and there are more than 300 audience join us | 在包装大学里展示这部纪录片 有300多名观众加入我们 |
| 58 | together and Mary just mentioned last time they also showed the documentary here and there are | 在一起,玛丽刚刚提到 上次他们 也在这里放映纪录片 有 |
| 59 | more than 77,000 online audience so it's amazing right and yesterday we also organized a dialogue | 超过77000个在线观众,所以这是惊人的正确,昨天我们组织了一个对话 |
| 60 | focus on eco civilization and the climate change is a very interdisciplinary topic so there are it's | 关注生态文明和气候变化是一个非常跨学科的主题,所以有 |
| 61 | also we arrange packing universities official account for the live and streaming there are 20 | 我们还安排了 大学的官方账户 现场和溪流有20 |
| 62 | more than 27,000 online participants yeah so we can say how like this topic is welcomed here in | 超过27000名在线参与者 是的,所以我们可以说 如何喜欢这个话题 欢迎在这里 |
| 63 | China especially from my perspective I feel so impressive it's a expert from Western country to | 特别是从我的角度来说,中国,我觉得 令人印象深刻的是,它是来自西方国家的专家 |
| 64 | about our own culture and they love they love Chinese traditional culture even much more than | 他们喜欢中国传统文化 比喜欢中国传统文化 |
| 65 | me from this perspective I really feel they are great and this is also a very good opportunity | 从这个角度看 我觉得他们很棒 这也是一个很好的机会 |
| 66 | for me to learn from Mary and John again and I hope I have more opportunity together with all | 我希望我有更多机会和大家一起学习 |
| 67 | of you like to learn from you both of you and besides the two distinguished guests we also have | 你们喜欢向你们学习 除了两位贵宾 |
| 68 | Professor Yao here from Renmin University and his focus and major is Confucianism and after a while | 任民大学的姚教授 他的注意力和主修是儒学 过了一段时间 |
| 69 | I believe he will share the insights and we also have a very great practitioner where is Gao? | 我相信他会分享我们的洞察力 我们还有一位非常优秀的修行者 高在哪? |
| 70 | Yeah, Gao is here. | 高高来了 |
| 71 | Gao's work is on Buddhism and the conservation it's also a new field I think at | 高宗的作品是佛教 保护也是我想象的新领域 |
| 72 | me so let's look forward to a dialogue but first of all let's welcome Mary and John for their lecture. | 我们期待对话 但首先欢迎玛丽和约翰的演讲 |
| 73 | Well first of all thank you to all of you at the Yale Beijing Center Devin you've been a great | 首先,谢谢大家 在耶鲁北京中心 德文,你是一个伟大的 |
| 74 | friend both at Yale and here Carol Rafferty, Joyce Wong and so many others who help arrange | 在耶鲁和这里的朋友 卡罗尔·拉费蒂 乔伊丝·黄和很多其他帮助安排 |
| 75 | these kinds of talks we're very very grateful it's an important center for Yale to be here | 我们非常感激 耶鲁能在这里 是一个重要的中心 |
| 76 | but also to extend to the larger world with many friends I can't name them all and students who | 我无法把他们和学生都命名为 |
| 77 | have been with us over the years I want to thank Professor Lu Feng for being with us from Xinhua, | 多年来,我想感谢卢峰教授 与我们一起来自新华社, |
| 78 | a great Confucian scholar and one who's worked on ecological civilization for many years we are in | 一个伟大的儒家学者 一个在生态文明领域工作多年的学者 |
| 79 | many ways children of those who have come before and those who have worked on this topic so we | 从前来过的人和曾经研究过这个问题的人的孩子,有许多方式,所以我们 |
| 80 | simply want to be a bridge between China and the U.S. on this topic you see so because even in the | 只想成为中美之间的桥梁 你所看到的就是因为 |
| 81 | U.S. this idea of ecological civilization is beginning to have traction there's a discussion | 美国这个生态文明的想法 开始有动力 有讨论 |
| 82 | group on what is eco-civ so we started a website you'll give you the QR code later on ecological | 我们开始一个网站,你稍后会给你 关于生态的QR代码 |
| 83 | civilization just about 10 days ago but we hope you will contribute we hope we'll highlight some | 大约10天前的文明 但我们希望你们能有所贡献 我们希望我们强调一些 |
| 84 | more articles from China and also translated into English so I want to simply echo Mary Evelyn's | 更多来自中国的文章,也译为英文,所以我想简单地重复玛丽·伊芙琳的 |
| 85 | thanks and to say it's our opportunity to extend this heart mind feeling of gratitude here in China | 感谢并说,这是我们的机会 将心脏的心灵感 感谢在这里在中国 |
| 86 | because we move past the troubles we may have as countries and feel that relationship between | 因为我们摆脱了作为国家可能面临的麻烦 感觉到彼此之间的关系 |
| 87 | peoples that's a good long friendship and we wanted to continue so and of course we want to | 我们想继续这样,当然我们想 |
| 88 | thank our moderator Wang Binbin and our fellow panelists Professor Yao we've known many years | 感谢主持人王彬彬和同名小组成员姚教授 我们认识很多年了 |
| 89 | and our former student at Yale a wonderful conservationist Gao we're very very fond of | 和我们前耶鲁的学生 一个出色的保护者 我们很喜欢高 |
| 90 | and Gao and Yao we're very fond of so with all of that let's begin by saying again this is a huge | 高和姚 我们很喜欢这些 让我们从头说起 这是巨大的 |
| 91 | topic we are not experts but we feel it's a very important topic for the future of the planet | 我们不是专家 但我们觉得这对地球的未来很重要 |
| 92 | and probably because China may be the most important country for the future of the planet | 可能是因为中国是地球未来最重要的国家 |
| 93 | on this topic and others related to ecology and harmony which we'll talk about so as we begin | 与生态与和谐有关的其它问题,我们会在开始讨论时讨论 |
| 94 | we're trying to say this is an aspiration for the future we're moving from an industrial society | 我们想说这是对未来的渴望 我们正从一个工业社会前进 |
| 95 | with unlimited economic growth that's polluting land air and water to an ecological civilization | 与无限经济增长 污染陆地空气和水 生态文明 |
| 96 | that provides a basis for the well-being and health of both people and planet so in China | 为中国人民和地球的福祉和健康提供基础 |
| 97 | from an industrial revolution to ecological civilization that's the transformation it's also | 从工业革命到生态文明 也是它带来的转变 |
| 98 | from sustainability to flourishing so we're trying to say this is a broader vision for systemic | 从可持续性到繁荣 所以我们想说 这是一个更广泛的愿景 系统 |
| 99 | changes in China and this has been in the Chinese constitution as we know since 2018 to promote | 从2018年起,中国的变革, 以及中国的宪法中, |
| 100 | the coordinated development of material civilization political civilization spiritual | 协调发展物质文明政治文明精神. |
| 101 | civilization social civilization and ecological civilization but it's systemic it's all of these | 文明社会文明和生态文明 但都是系统性的 |
| 102 | things not just ecology but economics politics education and so on so if we relate to the | 不只是生态学,还有经济学政治教育等等,如果我们与 |
| 103 | Wang Binbin has set up we want to say carbon neutral goal for China in 2020 it was announced | 王斌斌已经设定了2020年中国碳中性目标, |
| 104 | that China aims to peak emissions before 2030 and go carbon neutral by 2060 in accordance with the | 中国的目标是在2030年之前达到最高排放量,并在2060年之前按照 |
| 105 | Paris climate agreement very important because if accomplished it would lower the expected rise | 巴黎气候协定非常重要,因为如果协定得以实现,预期的上升将会减少。 |
| 106 | in global temperature by 0.2 or 0.3 degrees and this is the biggest single | 全球气温0.2或0.3度 这是最大的单体 |
| 107 | uh reduction ever estimated by the climate action tracker so there's a major transition | 由气候行动追踪器估算的减排量 所以有重大转变 |
| 108 | that China's in so is the west from unsustainable coal power plants and China announced in 2021 | 2021年中国宣布, |
| 109 | it will not build coal fired power projects abroad this movement from sustainable solar | 它不会在国外建设燃煤发电项目 从可持续太阳能运动 |
| 110 | panels to electric vehicles we know China is the largest producer of this and we hope the | 电动车辆的面板 我们知道中国是最大的生产商 我们希望 |
| 111 | tariffs will go away no tariffs on on this but we also want to emphasize it's not just the physical | 关税不会因此消失 但我们也要强调 这不仅仅是物理的 |
| 112 | energy but it's the renewable energy of the human spirit and this new human energies that's needed | 能量是人类精神的再生能量 也是人类新的能量 |
| 113 | to make the change so it's reviving a worldview that promote promotes a viable planetary future | 来改变它,从而恢复世界观,促进可行的地球未来 |
| 114 | the paradigm shift is obviously needed for both people and planet and this implies shifting | 显然,人和地球都需要改变模式,这意味着改变 |
| 115 | from an anthropocentric or human-centric to an eco-centric or nature-centered | 从以人类为中心的或以人类为中心的到以生态为中心的或以自然为中心的 |
| 116 | worldview in China and the west to move mainly from a human-focused perspective to an organic | 中国和西方的世界观主要从注重人的观点转向有机 |
| 117 | holistic worldview this anthropocosmic worldview then in a Chinese context implies a broad paradigm | 整体的世界观,这个人类世界观,从中国的角度来说,意味着一个广泛的范式 |
| 118 | shift from a human dominating worldview to a recovery of an anthropocosmic worldview where | 从人类主宰世界观转变为人类主宰世界观的恢复 |
| 119 | humans are situated within the cosmos and earth this is needed around the world in Asia in the | 人类位于宇宙和地球,这是亚洲世界需要的。 |
| 120 | west and is already present in native or in many ethnic traditions harmony with nature then | 在西方,已经存在于本土或许多种族传统中 与自然和谐相处 |
| 121 | the humans are not obviously we're not independent from the world but interdependent | 人类并不明显,我们不是独立于世界 而是相互依存的 |
| 122 | with the dynamic unfolding forces of heaven universe and earth this is compatible with the | 与宇宙和地球的动态力量相适应 |
| 123 | sciences of evolution and ecology as well as with traditional Chinese thought it fosters an organic | 进化学和生态学 以及中国传统认为它能培养有机体 |
| 124 | holism and harmony of humans with nature in Confucianism Taoism and Buddhism so this shift | 在儒家道教和佛教中人类与自然的和谐和和谐 所以这个转变 |
| 125 | is evident in many Chinese universities and in academia as a large in China we've been visiting | 在中国很多大学和学术界 都很明显 我们曾经访问过中国 |
| 126 | China since 1985 and of course we've seen like many of here many changes last year in September | 中国自1985年以来,当然我们见过很多这样的地方 去年九月发生了许多变化 |
| 127 | we saw the presence experienced the presence of ecological civilization in ideas and practice | 我们目睹了生态文明在思想和实践中的存在 |
| 128 | at numerous academic institutions we visited from Datong in the north to Pu'er in the south so | 我们从北边的达东到南边的浦尔 |
| 129 | this shift is emerging along with a revival of Chinese philosophy and culture | 伴随着中国哲学文化的复兴 |
| 130 | so our encounter with China and Confucianism is actually very old 75 years because an early | 我们与中国和儒家的接触实际上已经很老了,因为很早 |
| 131 | interest in China was sparked by our teachers Theodore de Berry and Thomas Berry they traveled | 我们的老师西奥多·德·贝里和托马斯·贝里 引起了对中国的兴趣 |
| 132 | in 1948 to study Chinese language and culture especially Confucianism then they taught us | 1948年学习中国语言文化,特别是儒学,后来他们教导我们. |
| 133 | Chinese traditions at Columbia where I studied Fordham where John studied Thomas Berry was our | 在哥伦比亚我学习福德汉的中国传统 约翰学习托马斯·贝里是我们的 |
| 134 | teacher he married us he was a great inspiration in so many ways and was determined to come to | 老师,他娶了我们 他在许多方面都很有启发性 并且决心要来 |
| 135 | China in 48 he was a scholar of world religions a historian of religions program at Fordham he | 48岁的中国 他是世界宗教学者 福特汉姆宗教史学家 |
| 136 | established a specialist in Confucianism but he realized the environmental crisis in the 80s very | 但他意识到80年代的环境危机 |
| 137 | early on and he encouraged our work in world religions and ecology at Harvard Theodore de | 他鼓励我们在世界宗教和生态方面的工作 在哈佛西奥多德 |
| 138 | Berry Ted de Berry was also very influential my grandfather was his teacher at Columbia my | Berry Ted de Berry也很有影响力 我祖父是他在哥伦比亚的老师 |
| 139 | grandfather was a historian of Europe and we knew his family very well we still do so he was my | 爷爷是欧洲历史学家 我们非常了解他的家人 我们仍然这样做 所以他是我的 |
| 140 | mentor at Columbia he's the foremost scholar of neo-confucianism in the west many publications and | 在哥伦比亚的导师 他是西方最重要的新儒学学者 |
| 141 | conferences helped to create Asian studies in the west especially at Columbia with courses and | 会议帮助在西部创建亚洲研究,特别是在哥伦比亚开设课程和 |
| 142 | translations but courses on China on India on Japan on Korea these are huge courses hundreds of | 翻译,但中国的课程 印度,日本,韩国 这些是巨大的课程 数百 |
| 143 | students now take these courses and he was very crucial for the translations of Asian classics | 他对翻译亚洲经典书非常关键 |
| 144 | which Columbia published in addition Winsett Chong as we say in the west was one of the greatest | 美国哥伦比亚大学还刊登了Winsett Chong的作品 我们在西部说的 是其中最伟大的 |
| 145 | Chinese scholars who came and he was also a mentor he was on my thesis committee and even | 他也是我论文委员会的导师 |
| 146 | when he was in his late 80s he would come every week to Columbia for the class on neo-confucianism | 当他80多岁时 他每周都会来哥伦比亚参加新儒学课程 |
| 147 | and he would help all the students he had a wonderful sense of humor he was a great scholar | 他会帮助所有的学生 他有一个美妙的幽默 他是一个伟大的学者 |
| 148 | and translator he did the first source book in Chinese philosophy in 63 then he helped Ted de | 63年他写了中国哲学的第一本源书 然后他帮助了泰德·德 |
| 149 | Berry and others with the sources of Chinese tradition at Columbia this is the best-selling | 贝瑞等人在哥伦比亚有中国传统,这是畅销书 |
| 150 | book at Columbia University Press all these years Winsett Chan translated Juxi reflections on things | 书在哥伦比亚大学出版社 这么多年 Winsett Chan 翻译 Juxi 对事物的思考 |
| 151 | at hand and also Wang Yangming so he was a huge scholar and influence on all of us he was very | 和王阳明,所以他是一个巨大的学者 和对我们所有人的影响 他非常 |
| 152 | engaged in the transmission of the way of the Tao and here's a tribute to him from Irene Blum | 参与传送道教的道教 并在此向艾琳·布卢姆致敬 |
| 153 | in the life of Winsett Chan we have seen one of the most extraordinary examples of a modern-day | 在陈温赛特的一生中,我们看到了现代最非凡的例子之一 |
| 154 | cross-cultural transmission of the way Winsett Chan having done more than any scholar in the world | 陈温赛特在文化上的传承 比世界上任何学者都多 |
| 155 | to foster that remarkable transmission of the way to the west was in the closing years of his life | 在他生命的岁月里 向西方的传承是惊人的 |
| 156 | engaged in its retransmission back to China an achievement that made him an altogether worthy | 他重新传回中国,这是个成就 使他完全有价值 |
| 157 | successor to his own master the great 12th century neo-confucian Juxi he was a creator and also a | 继承了自己的主人 伟大的12世纪新儒家朱西 他是一个创作者 |
| 158 | transmitter Du Weiming many of you know he was also a huge influence and we're delighted to be | 你们中许多人知道他也有很大的影响 我们很高兴能成为 |
| 159 | sponsoring these events with the Institute for Advanced Studies in Humanistic Studies at Beijing | 与北京人文科学高级研究所共同主办这些活动 |
| 160 | University Wang Qi and Naomi Zhang are wonderful supporters of this work so Du Weiming is of course | 大学的王i和张娜蜜都是 优秀的支持者 所以杜伟明当然是 |
| 161 | a scholar of neo-confucianism he's director of this Institute for Advanced Humanistic Studies | 他是新儒学的学者 他是这个高级人文研究所的主任 |
| 162 | at Peking University still a research professor and senior fellow at the Asia Center at Harvard | 北京大学还是哈佛亚洲中心的研究教授和高级研究员 |
| 163 | where he taught for 20 almost 20 years and we published together two volumes on | 他教了将近20年 我们一起出版了两卷 |
| 164 | Confucian spirituality with scholars from the U.S. and China he wanted to see this tradition | 儒家精神与来自美国和中国的学者,他希望看到这种传统 |
| 165 | with its spiritual dimensions not only its ethical dimensions so he calls it these days spiritual | 精神层面 不仅仅是道德层面 所以他称之为精神层面 |
| 166 | humanism so here's one of the important articles that he did from Daedalus which is the American | 这是他从Daedalus写的重要文章之一 就是美国人 |
| 167 | Academy of Arts and Sciences in the U.S. we did an issue on religion and ecology can the climate | 美国文理科学院 我们研究了宗教和生态学 |
| 168 | change so from all the world's religions and this ecological turn in new Confucian humanism | 改变世界所有宗教 改变生态 改变新的儒家人文主义 |
| 169 | was his offering and of course the new Confucian humanism means those great scholars who went to | 新的儒家人文主义 意味着那些伟大的学者 |
| 170 | Taiwan and Hong Kong to keep alive this tradition and Du Weiming was one of their students | 台湾和香港要保住这个传统 杜伟明是他们的学生之一 |
| 171 | he says by identifying the comprehensive unity of heaven earth and humanity as a critical | 他说,通过确认天堂和人类的全面统一是一个关键 |
| 172 | contribution to the modern world these key figures in new Confucian thought signaled the movement | 这些新儒家思想中的关键人物为现代世界做出了贡献,标志着这个运动 |
| 173 | both towards retrieval and reappropriation of Confucian ideas or modernity another influence | 既要收回和重新接受儒家思想,又要实现现代化 |
| 174 | 法国古生物学家Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, | |
| 175 | indicate his coming from the 19th century his major work in the 20th century and at the end | 说明他从19世纪来 他20世纪和末期的主要作品 |
| 176 | of his life he worked in China he was exiled from France to China because of his position as a | 他从法国流放到中国 因为他是位 |
| 177 | Catholic priest in Jesuit so this is a very important influence on our thinking Teilhard | 耶稣会的天主教神父 所以这对我们的思想来说很重要 |
| 178 | then a Jesuit paleontologist and geologist of earth and universe history his scientific | 然后是耶稣会古生物学家 地球和宇宙地质学家 他的科学史 |
| 179 | in China from 1926 to 1935 was fossil oriented he was especially collecting early human remains | 从1926年到1935年,他在中国是化石, 他特别收集早期的人类遗骸 |
| 180 | and dinosaurs from 1939 to 1945 he participated extensively in the discovery of Peking man even | 从1939年到1945年 他广泛参与了北京人的发现 |
| 181 | leading that expedition for a period of time Teilhard's anthropocosmic ideas inspired many | 泰尔哈德的人类学思想启发了很多人 |
| 182 | including our film journey of the universe and this film and book is a larger project that we | 包括我们宇宙的电影之旅 这部电影和书是一个更大的项目,我们 |
| 183 | have continued to develop his ideas show a close link to traditional Chinese thought and prompted | 他的思想不断发展 与中国传统思想有着密切的联系 |
| 184 | us to lead the American Tay Art Association for 40 years another influence on our thinking is the | 我们领导美国Tay艺术协会40年 对我们思想的另一个影响是 |
| 185 | 哲学家Alfred North Whitehead也是一位数学家 他从英国来到英国 | |
| 186 | States and taught at Harvard and Whitehead's contributions as a process philosopher and | 在哈佛和怀特海德作为过程哲学家和 |
| 187 | mathematician it's now realized how similar his thinking is to the dynamic holistic philosophy | 数学家现在意识到 他的想法与动态整体哲学有多相似 |
| 188 | of Confucianism and Taoism he's now an important philosopher in dialogue between China and West | 他现在是中国和西方对话的重要哲学家 |
| 189 | for ecological civilization and this is continued by the Center for Process Studies post-modern | 后现代进程研究中心继续这样做。 |
| 190 | development of China at the Claremont colleges in California where 17 conferences have been held on | 在加利福尼亚州克莱蒙特学院举行了17次会议, |
| 191 | ecological civilization led by such process thinkers as Drs. | 由Drs等进程思想家领导的生态文明. |
| 192 | John Cobb, Wang Jie and Fan Meijian | 约翰·科布,王杰和范美贞 |
| 193 | so here in China as you know Minister Pan Yue has also been very influential in beginning to | 所以你们知道潘岳部长 在中国也开始很有影响力 |
| 194 | ecological civilization for several decades and we were very fortunate to meet him in 2008 | 几十年的生态文明 我们非常幸运地在2008年见到了他 |
| 195 | at that time he was vice minister of China's state environmental protection administration | 当时任中国国家环保总局副部长. |
| 196 | and now as you know he's director of National Ethnic Affairs | 现在你知道他是全国民族事务主任 |
| 197 | commission from 2022 and he just led a conference which we attended | 2022年的佣金 他刚刚领导了一个会议 我们出席 |
| 198 | in Xinjiang on the history and future of Xinjiang he's promoted a green GDP | 在新疆,关于新疆的历史与未来,他提倡绿色GDP |
| 199 | he notes that the environmental laws in China and elsewhere can't be enforced without environmental | 他指出,没有环保,中国和其他地方的环境法是无法执行的. |
| 200 | culture and values this is a very important idea because in the West we say oh science policy | 文化和价值观是一个非常重要的想法 因为西方说科学政策 |
| 201 | law this can solve the problems but China has this notion that culture philosophy values are | 法律可以解决问题 但中国认为文化哲学价值 |
| 202 | important and this is one of his contributions and now that of Xi Jinping as well so when we met him | 这是他的贡献之一 现在习近平的贡献 也是我们遇见他时的贡献 |
| 203 | this notion of ecological civilization cultural values is what drew us together because the | 这种生态文明的概念 文化价值 把我们聚集在一起,因为 |
| 204 | ecological values from the world's cultures can inspire diverse perspectives on environmental | 世界文化中的生态价值可以激发对环境的不同观点。 |
| 205 | ethics this is true both in China and the West because we don't have a comprehensive environmental | 中国和西方都是这样,因为我们没有全面的环境 |
| 206 | ethics yet so we did this project at Harvard in the mid-90s on world religions and ecology | 90年代中期,我们在哈佛完成了这个项目 关于世界宗教和生态 |
| 207 | 10 conferences 10 books over 10 years Confucianism and ecology Daoism and ecology were published | 10次会议 10年的儒学与生态学 Daoism和生态学出版10本书 |
| 208 | here in China we're going to republish them in Chinese as well so this was a whole series of | 在中国 我们要用中文重印它们 所以这是一系列 |
| 209 | conferences where we were trying to say let's retrieve these traditions and texts let's | 我们想说,让我们重新找回这些传统和文字 |
| 210 | reevaluate their relationship to modern challenges and let's reconstruct so you can take all kinds | 重新评价他们与现代挑战的关系,让我们重建,这样你就能接受各种各样的挑战 |
| 211 | of examples one is just dominion in Christianity in the Bible humans are over the sense of earth | 一个就是基督教在圣经中的统治权 人类超越了地球感 |
| 212 | and control but scholars are now saying that's insufficient we have to have a sense of stewardship | 控制,但学者们现在 说,这是不够的 我们必须有 管理感 |
| 213 | of care for creation and so on so this is part of the reevaluation and reconstruction of all the | 因此,这是重新评价和重建所有 |
| 214 | world's religions in relation to ecology so to summarize what we've been saying about the | 世界宗教与生态的关系 来总结一下我们所说的话 |
| 215 | Confucian holistic worldview and ethics which is indebted to many scholars as I've mentioned | 儒家整体的世界观和伦理学,正如我所提到的,是许多学者的功劳 |
| 216 | Professor Liu Professor Yao Professor Du that there's an anthropocosmic rather than an | 刘教授 姚教授 杜,有人类性,而不是 |
| 217 | anthropocentric perspective this is unique to China I would say the anthropocosmic worldview | 以人类为中心的观点 这是中国独有的 我想说的是人类的世界观 |
| 218 | it's an organic holism with this unity of cosmos earth and humans it has a dynamic vitalism of | 它是一个有机的全息 与宇宙地球和人类的统一 它有动态的生命力 |
| 219 | material force or chi and it has a comprehensive ecological ethics that humans and nature are one | 它具有人类和自然是一体的全面生态伦理 |
| 220 | I just want to highlight chi again a unique contribution of Chinese thought that material | 我只想再次强调Chi 中国思想的独特贡献 |
| 221 | force matter energy vital force is a unity it's not matter spirit as divided it's extremely | 力量物质 能量生命力 是一种团结 它不是物质精神 因为分裂是极端的 |
| 222 | important because it flows through everything through air through water through flowers birds | 因为它在空气中通过花鸟流过一切 |
| 223 | forests humans and as we cultivate our chi we're practicing a relationality to nature | 森林是人类,我们培养我们的气息 我们练习一种与自然的关系 |
| 224 | we can talk a lot about this but TCM traditional Chinese medicine has that how do you cultivate | 我们能谈很多,但TCM传统中药 如何培育 |
| 225 | your chi tai chi in the parks here in Beijing I do chi gong to try and cultivate chi as well | 北京的公园里有你的辣妹 我也会努力去培植辣妹 |
| 226 | so one other text I would like to mention before we conclude is the dash way the great learning | 因此,在结束发言之前,我想提及的另一个案文是,伟大的学习的破碎之路。 |
| 227 | now every Chinese person knows this I think very well and the idea is that the individual is not | 现在每个中国人都知道了 我觉得很好 想法是个人不是 |
| 228 | isolated but is part of a community there's responsibilities not just personal freedoms | 与世隔绝,是社区的一部分 责任不仅仅是个人自由 |
| 229 | this reciprocal responsibilities to the social and natural communities are essential | 对社会和自然社区承担的相互责任至关重要 |
| 230 | so self-cultivation of the person affects the whole because of these concentric circles and by | 因此,人的自我培养会影响整个人 因为这些同心圆 和通过 |
| 231 | western students love this idea because it connects us resonance and relationality so from | 西方学生喜欢这个想法 因为它把我们的共鸣和亲情联系在一起 |
| 232 | the person to family to society to education to politics to earth and to the universe and this | 人对家庭对社会的教育 政治对地球和宇宙 以及这个 |
| 233 | resonance as we cultivate ourselves we affect everything else a beautiful idea we're going to | 当我们培养自己时,我们影响一切, 一个美好的想法,我们要 |
| 234 | brilliant thinker and on his western wall of his study he had the western inscription which you | 他的书房的西墙上有你的西墙铭文 |
| 235 | all know I think it reads heaven is my father and earth is my mother and even such a small creature | 大家都知道,我想它读天堂是我父亲, 地球是我妈妈,甚至这样的小生物 |
| 236 | as I finds an intimate place in their midst therefore that which fills the universe I regard | 因为我在他们中间找到了一个亲密的地方 因此,它充满了宇宙,我认为 |
| 237 | as my body and that which directs the universe I consider as my nature all people are my brothers | 作为我的身体 以及引导宇宙的事物 我认为我的本性 所有人都是我的兄弟 |
| 238 | and sisters and all things are my companions the sage identifies his character without of heaven | 姐妹们和万物都是我的同伴 圣人将他的性格认同为无天堂 |
| 239 | and earth and the worthy is the most outstanding person even those who have no brothers or children | 大地和尊贵的人是最杰出的, 即使那些没有兄弟姐妹的人 |
| 240 | wives or husbands are all my brothers who are in distress and have no one to turn to so this | 妻子或丈夫都是我的兄弟,他们都陷入困境,没有人可以求助。 |
| 241 | extends filiality of compassion and care filial piety to expands to includes the cosmos as father | 扩大慈悲和关爱孝敬的亲子性 将宇宙作为父亲纳入其中 |
| 242 | the earth as mother and this isn't simply metaphorical but it's in practice and it's | 地球作为母亲,这不仅仅是比喻 而是在实践中,它是 |
| 243 | actually also in evolution that everything comes out of the universe and earth so it's | 实际上,在进化中,所有的东西都来自宇宙和地球,所以 |
| 244 | science it's ecological science but it implies then respect for nature not over exploitation | 科学是生态科学,但它意味着尊重自然而不是剥削 |
| 245 | compassion and care for the human but also for nature another text is the jung yong the doctrine | 同情和关心人类 也关心大自然 另一种文字是 jung yong 学说 |
| 246 | of the mean and I think this is one of the most powerful words in chinese thought namely that it | 我认为这是中国思想中 最有力的词之一 就是 |
| 247 | humans to be aligned with the dynamic and nourishing forces of heaven and earth the | 人类与天地充满活力和营养的力量 |
| 248 | dynamic and nourishing forces of heaven and earth so we're doing that in many ways with | 充满活力和滋养的天地力量 所以我们在很多方面 |
| 249 | renewable energy of solar of wind and geothermal we're aligning our energies so to conclude | 太阳能 风能和地热能 我们正在调整能量 |
| 250 | thinking about both principles of ecological civilization reciprocity presents itself and | 考虑生态文明互惠原则本身和 |
| 251 | it refers to the importance of working for the common good not simply for individual gain | 它提到为共同利益而努力的重要性,而不仅仅是为了个人利益。 |
| 252 | in a confusion context this implies both individual self-cultivation and communal | 在混乱的背景下,这既意味着个人自耕农,也意味着社区自耕农。 |
| 253 | effort for a flourishing society a reintegration this indicates combining knowledge and practice | 社会繁荣的融合表明知识与实践相结合 |
| 254 | to contribute to the betterment of society in a confusion context this implies educating oneself | 在混乱的环境中促进社会改善,这意味着教育自己 |
| 255 | in practical matters such as science and technology as well as matters of principle and values in the | 科学与技术等实际事务以及 |
| 256 | humanities finally renewal if this points to the need for renewable energies for people and the | 如果这说明人民需要可再生能源, |
| 257 | planet in making the transition to ecological civilization and net zero carbon emissions | 向生态文明过渡和净碳零排放 |
| 258 | in a confusion context this implies shifting to regenerative energy processes for both the | 在混乱的环境下,这意味着向再生能源过程转变,使这两个能源过程都具有再生性。 |
| 259 | environment and the individual so here we have a shared planetary dream we have the knowledge of | 因此,我们有一个共同的星球梦 我们所了解的 |
| 260 | science policy law technology and economics to make the shift we have this in china in the west | 科学政策法技术和经济学 来改变我们在西部的瓷器 |
| 261 | but we need ecological culture and values to create the context for a viable ecological | 但我们需要生态文化和价值 来创造可行的生态环境 |
| 262 | civilization to flourish in china and the west so we're joining in a mutual effort for the future | 文明在中国和西方繁荣,所以我们共同为未来而努力 |
| 263 | of our earth community i hope you will join in this work and for more information there are | 希望各位能加入到这项工作中来, |
| 264 | our codes in the modern world to connect to these various websites thank you so many like people | 我们现代世界的代码 可以连接到这些网站 谢谢你们这么多人喜欢的人 |
| 265 | now we just enjoy the silos like climate change we talk about technology we talk about engineering | 现在,我们只是享受仓仓 像气候变化,我们谈论技术,我们谈论工程 |
| 266 | how to like develop the renewable energy but i think so we always think about this kind of | 如何开发可再生能源 但我想我们总在想 |
| 267 | natural sciences you know direction and then and as else we we may be lack of so this is what i | 自然科学,你知道方向,然后, 与其它情况一样,我们可能缺乏 所以这就是我 |
| 268 | learn from you from mary and john because you are social scientist and philosopher so | 因为你是社会科学家和哲学家 |
| 269 | i still remember i introduced my journey to mary and mary because at that moment i thought yeah | 我还记得我给玛丽和玛丽介绍我的旅程 因为那一刻我以为是的 |
| 270 | how to step out from my silos i think we cannot really reach the net zero only with the colleagues | 怎样走出我的井,我想我们真的不能 达到净零只与同事 |
| 271 | in the field of climate and mary just showed me her series of book just now i also took a picture | 在气候领域和玛丽刚刚给我看 她的系列书 刚才我还拍了一张照片 |
| 272 | again as a harvard world theory on religions and ecology and this series of book suddenly i realized | 这一系列的书我突然意识到 |
| 273 | wow the world is so big and there are so many connections and the universe has the answer | 哇,世界是如此之大,有这么多的联系 宇宙有答案 |
| 274 | and this is why we should develop ourselves and as you mentioned like a self-cultivation | 这就是为什么我们应该发展自己 正如你提到的那样 |
| 275 | and also try to find the all initiate or like try to inspire the collective efforts | 并试图找到所有发起者或类似者 试图激励集体努力 |
| 276 | towards a common future and this future is much much bigger than only on climate | 未来远大于气候 |
| 277 | so thank you so much thank you so much again | 非常感谢你 再次多谢你 |
| 278 | {\fn华文楷体\fs20\bord1\shad1\1cHE0E0E0\2cH000000}讓我看看一個更光明的世界 {\fn华文楷体\fs20\bord1\shad1\1cHE0E0E0\2cH000000}所以請稍息一下 我會向楊教授問話 | |
| 279 | because you are the professor on confusionism and just now mary also mentioned a bit and so | 因为你是迷惑症的教授 刚才Mary也提到过 |
| 280 | what's your comments on mary and john's lecture just now yeah okay and the this is the third time | 你对Mary和John的演讲有什么看法? 是的,这是第三次 |
| 281 | for me to be here and but you know all three times i enjoyed very much and these you know | 我在这里,但你知道所有三次 我非常享受,这些你知道 |
| 282 | conversations i hope that today is the third and i still can't enjoy this and it is the every time | 我希望今天是第三个,我仍然不能享受这个,这是每次 |
| 283 | i learned a great deal from john and mary evlin and for your inspiration and for your insistence | 我从John和Mary evlin那里学到了很多东西 为了你的灵感和坚持 |
| 284 | and to you know spreading these ideas and values to the world so this is thank you very much and | 并且你知道这些思想和价值观 向世界传播 所以,这是非常感谢你, |
| 285 | for your all this work and this is a as they say in mary evlin and john this you already | 你所有的工作, 这是他们在玛丽・埃夫林和约翰说的,你已经 |
| 286 | and gave this kind of outline of this how these confusion ideas came into the western thinking | 并给出了这种概述 这些迷惑思想是如何进入西方思维的 |
| 287 | and you know this paradise and this is i just wonder is you know how why we we would be interested | 你知道这个天堂 我只是想知道 你知道我们为什么感兴趣 |
| 288 | in the some kind of ideas about a you know one thousand or three to three thousand two | 在某种想法 关于一个你知道 一三三三三两 |
| 289 | two thousand years ago and the that is reminding me about this the and since how we are today | 二千年前 提醒我这一点 从今天起 |
| 290 | reflect our past how to make a good use of these traditional thinking and resources | 反映我们过去如何善用这些传统思想和资源 |
| 291 | to serve today's good purpose so i remember you know in 1986 you you said you you came in | 所以,我记得你知道,1986年 你说你进来了 |
| 292 | this the 1985 the first time so 1986 i taught my students at zemin university on the on the and | 这是1985年 所以1986年我第一次 教会我的学生 在Zemin大学 |
| 293 | applied ethics one of the sections is it was this on the environmental ethics | 其中一节是关于环境道德的 |
| 294 | so i told my students at that time this very confidently say you know and you know in london | 所以我在那个时候告诉我的学生 这非常自信地说,你知道,你知道 在伦敦 |
| 295 | in in tokyo and in los angeles they had a so bad pollutions and these and also this not just air | 在东京和洛斯天使, 他们有一个如此糟糕的污染 和这些,还有这不仅仅是空气 |
| 296 | pollution there water pollution and you know all these kind of things i said no china will not | 这里的污染 水污染,你知道所有这些事情 我说没有瓷器不会 |
| 297 | there they are this kind of you know bad situation and you know some student asked me why | 他们就是那种你懂坏事的人 你知道有些学生问我为什么 |
| 298 | i said he's not china just developed because he said just just started developing the it's | 我说他不是刚开发的瓷器 因为他说刚开始开发 |
| 299 | it's a the industry and so we should know this that is bad so we should have every intention | 这是行业,所以我们应该知道 这是坏的,所以我们应该有所有的意图 |
| 300 | to avoid these kind of consequences and also i said you know this is the china was this | 避免这些后果 我也说你知道这是瓷器 |
| 301 | socialist country and they would not because for the profit and to you know damage environment so | 社会主义国家,他们不会 因为利润和你知道破坏环境 |
| 302 | this was my position at that time but you know the then i left and for for uk and for you know | 那时我的立场是... ...但你知道我离开时... ...为了... |
| 303 | beginning of this the the 21st century i came back and then found this our pollution much worse | 21世纪开始,我回来后发现污染更严重 |
| 304 | much worse then i said you know why why this happened because he said we knew this lesson | 更糟糕的是,我说你知道为什么会这样 因为他说我们知道这个教训 |
| 305 | we should have learned lessons and but we didn't and this the of course in the last 10 or | 我们本该吸取教训的 但我们过去10年里 当然没有 |
| 306 | certain years and this the the particularly in beijing and this and the pollution the | 某些年,这 特别在北京和这里 污染 |
| 307 | has been and i don't know i should say they have been under control a slightly better but i think | 一直以来,我不知道我应该说 他们已经控制了 稍好一些,但我想 |
| 308 | the certainly improved and this is the so this means and you know and as the human beings if we | 当然改进了,这就是这个意思,你知道,作为人类,如果我们 |
| 309 | want to live in this world on the earth we have to be careful about this is the this the our | 想要生活在这个世界上 我们必须小心 这才是我们 |
| 310 | environment our ecological and these kind of systems and this is that is a part of our life | 环境 我们的生态和这些系统 这就是我们生活的一部分 |
| 311 | as is shown by these is and they are filmed this journey of the universe so we can see | 正如这些所显示的 他们被拍下了宇宙的旅程 |
| 312 | is very tiny very tiny this is in the whole universe and but but we could create the so | 极小的,非常小 这是在整个宇宙中, 但我们可以创造这样。 |
| 313 | much damage to the to the earth which and the four four point six billion years and is | 对地球的破坏很大 这四点六亿年 |
| 314 | much longer than we could imagine so this is the then this is but how about this a tiny | 比我们想象的要长得多 所以这是当时的,但是... ... |
| 315 | existence you know a being like humans could do something about this earth and this is that is | 你知道像人类这样的人 会为地球做点什么 |
| 316 | since i just think this what we can do and do we really and you know and want to you know | 因为我只是觉得我们可以做 做我们真的,你知道,并想知道 |
| 317 | get destroyed and together with this the the earth or we should do something about | 被摧毁,与这一起 地球或我们应该做一些事情 |
| 318 | this conservation so this the for this kind of purpose and i went back to the traditional | 所以为了这个目的 我回到了传统的 |
| 319 | confusion ideas this is what kind of since where we can and get from there so this is the i get | 困惑的想法,这是什么样的 从哪里我们可以 从那里得到,所以这是我得到 |
| 320 | very much and the inspiration from this you you just mentioned the professor do we means | 你刚才说的教授的灵感是 |
| 321 | under this and it's not just a book either in the article it's a long quite a long article | 文章里也不仅仅是一本书 长篇大论 |
| 322 | there in the in the book edited by some kind of person they could our religions you you must | 在书中,由某种人编辑 他们可以我们的宗教,你必须 |
| 323 | know this they published in the 1995 1995 so in this in this book and in the one chapter of this | 在1995年出版的书里 这本书和这篇的一章里 |
| 324 | is and produced by by the professor do i mean and talk about a confusionism and in this and | 由教授制作,我的意思是 谈论一个混淆主义,在这个和 |
| 325 | in this and this the chapter and he talked about it in the how confusion scholars would think | 在本章和这一章中, 他谈论了它是如何混淆 学者会认为 |
| 326 | about this relationship between earth and between our ourselves between with these other people and | 关于地球之间的关系 还有我们自己与其他人的关系 |
| 327 | our community with the society with the country and with this whole universe so this the i remember | 我们的社会 社会 国家 和整个宇宙 所以我记得 |
| 328 | he drew the a map this within center you know we know this confusion is me is this could and | 他画了一个地图 在中心,你知道我们知道 这个困惑是 我,这是可以和 |
| 329 | the and the and the human center focused because this you know this he's a student ask him could | 和人类中心集中 因为你知道他是个学生 |
| 330 | how could we understand death and as he said that you know if you can't | 我们怎么能理解死亡 正如他说的 如果你不能 |
| 331 | can't understand the life how could you understand the death and then he this student asked him again | 无法理解生活 你怎么能理解死亡 然后这个学生又问他 |
| 332 | they asked confucius again say this how we could serve the spirits then then this the confucius | 他们又问康富西乌斯 再说一遍,我们如何为鬼服务 然后这个康富西乌斯 |
| 333 | replied if you could not and you know serve the human beings how could you serve the spirits | 回答,如果你不能,你知道为人类服务, 你怎能为灵魂服务 |
| 334 | so you know from the all these kind of things i just think this confusion is was | 所以,你知道 从所有这些事情 我只是认为这种困惑是 |
| 335 | you know confusion human humanism as this professor do i mean said but you know | 你知道混淆的人文主义 就像这位教授所说的,但你知道 |
| 336 | he added this kind of this kind of humanism is a spiritual and this is spiritual and not just | 他补充了这种人文主义是一种精神,这是精神的,而不只是 |
| 337 | actually we believe in some kind of you know super god and who created the world but it really is | 事实上,我们相信某种人 你认识超级神,谁创造了世界,但它确实是 |
| 338 | deeply rooted in our mind this is a connection between human beings and the so-called heaven | 深深扎根于我们的脑海 这是人类和所谓的天堂之间的联系 |
| 339 | tian and tian this this sense could be the in the cosmological and the sense and this the the the | 这种感觉可能是宇宙学中的 感官和感官中的 |
| 340 | as our sources our origin where we come from so by this kind of connection i i think this i believe | 作为我们的来源,我们来自哪里,所以通过这种联系,我想我相信 |
| 341 | we would have this kind of very valuable and the ideas from the past which could be applied to today | 我们将会有这种非常宝贵的想法和过去的想法,可以应用到今天。 |
| 342 | and for our earth to reflect our current and situation so this is a is a we every | 我们的地球要反映我们的现状和情况 所以这是我们每个人 |
| 343 | people everybody should know about the tian ren he yi and the tian ren he yi of course is | 每个人都应该知道 他的Tian ren和他当然是Tian ren |
| 344 | and is a is a paradigm how we would think about you know human being relation with this | 这是一个范式,我们如何思考 你会知道人类的关系 |
| 345 | the with earth with the whole universe so that is a is a sense but you know sometimes i i found | 地球与整个宇宙,所以这是一个感觉,但你知道 有时我发现 |
| 346 | this there is there there are two kinds of orientations within this same the this kind | 这里面有两种方向 |
| 347 | of you know and expression and the one is this you know say i would call the the called a tian | 你懂的 表达的 就是这个 说我会叫那个叫Tian的人 |
| 348 | centered and a tian centered this the and the and the tian centuries and this kind of things | 中心,一个蒂安 中心这个, 和蒂安世纪 和这样的东西 |
| 349 | because it's to say you know human beings are not by our own we really we came from tian | 因为你知道人不是靠我们自己 我们真的来自天 |
| 350 | and we we we should behave you know according to this and heavenly and you know this cosmic law | 我们应该按照这个和天上的规矩行事 你知道宇宙法则 |
| 351 | and this we should really and you know this the the embrace under this our kind of environment | 这我们真的应该,你知道 这拥抱在我们这种环境下 |
| 352 | and you know we should you know we we could read from the book of munches the book of shunzhi and | 你知道,我们该知道,我们可以读 从Munches的书 shunzhi和 |
| 353 | even confucius talk about quite a lot about but on the other hand also as i said in the | 甚至康福西乌斯也谈了很多, 但另一方面,正如我所说的 |
| 354 | confusionism is this kind of very human and centered and this is they talk about | 迷惑主义是这种非常人性化和中心化 他们谈论 |
| 355 | quite a so these i just wanted to these two kind of orientations how could we combine them together | 相当的,所以这些我只是想 对于这两种方向,我们怎么可以把它们结合起来 |
| 356 | just the very evening you were presented and you talk about it you know and so paul and paul and | 就在你被介绍的夜晚 你谈论它 你知道,所以保罗,保罗, |
| 357 | cosmic and this this is the is the way probably we should really and you know and the | 宇宙,这就是我们该走的路 |
| 358 | change the kind of you know the the debate between the anthropocentrism and it is the | 改变你对人类中心论和 |
| 359 | but we combine them into one ism and this is the way for us to go on and to live and this is then | 但是我们把它们结合在一起, 这就是我们继续生活的方式,这就是 |
| 360 | to operate and to do our best for the world for the for the for the earth and also please don't | 并尽我们的最大努力 为世界为地球,也请不要 |
| 361 | remember you know whole human beings is the very tiny universe and each of our life is also very | 记住,人类是极小的宇宙 我们的每一个生命也是非常的 |
| 362 | in the whole human history and you know we should we would have generations and you know many many | 在整个人类历史中,你知道,我们应该有 世代,你知道很多 |
| 363 | generations and in the future so if we did didn't do anything and to this current situation and we | 世世代代,所以如果我们不做任何事情 和现在的情况,我们 |
| 364 | would be guilty to our you know children grandchildren great-grandchildren and this is | 你认识孙子孙子孙子孙子孙子孙子孙子孙子孙子孙子孙女吗? |
| 365 | generations so we have responsibility to to them so that is you know for the benefits of human | 因此我们对他们负有责任 这样你就能知道人类的利益 |
| 366 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}所以我想我们得付出更多 | |
| 367 | attention we we needed to do much more than we currently we are doing and to protect the environment | 我们需要给予更多的关注,以保护环境 |
| 368 | to protect the ecological and systems and to live in harmony with this whole universe | 保护生态和系统,与整个宇宙和谐共处 |
| 369 | thank you very much thank you you remind me a point or a reflection about the science | 非常感谢,谢谢你 提醒我一点 或思考科学 |
| 370 | now the whole like in academic academia the only kpi is modern science like all the professors | 现在和学术界一样 只有现代科学才像所有教授 |
| 371 | were asked to publish paper on nature science and use data use model different kind of model | 要求发表关于自然科学的论文 并使用数据使用模型 不同类型的模型 |
| 372 | if you know how to use data you all look like you are much higher much smarter than the other | 如果你知道如何使用数据 你们看起来都比别人聪明得多 |
| 373 | like especially social scientist so this kind of model science now occupied all the academia | 特别是社会科学家 所以这种模型科学 现在占据了所有学术界 |
| 374 | and but it's just those like hundreds of years and before that is the how to i think the nature | 但是这就像几百年前... ...这就是我如何思考大自然 |
| 375 | science is help us to how to understand the world outside and like the physical world but before | 科学帮助我们了解外面的世界 并且像物理世界 |
| 376 | that is the ancient science and it's religion it's confucianism and stoism it's help us to | 这是古代科学,是宗教 它的谦逊主义和斯图主义 它帮助我们 |
| 377 | universe and then now there is a trend like more people began to rethink who we are so we think of | 宇宙,然后现在有一个趋势 像更多的人开始重新思考 我们是谁,所以我们想 |
| 378 | like ourself and how to be ourself so it looks like it's a even the development of science is | 就像我们自己 如何成为我们自己 这样看来 科学的发展就是 |
| 379 | a trend so we cannot say like only one science is the best and each period should learn from | 因此我们不能说只有一种科学是最佳的,每个时期都应该学习 |
| 380 | each other but as i said nowadays all the similar all the science even the in china | 但正如我今天所说 所有的科学都相似 包括瓷器 |
| 381 | especially in china the kpi is from the western modern science and this data and | 尤其是在中国,kpi是来自西方现代科学和这个数据 |
| 382 | model so i think it's a pity and also as professor you mentioned between the earth | 模特儿,我觉得这太可惜了 作为教授你提到的地球之间 |
| 383 | ourself and the other peoples around us we should set up the connection and i think we | 我们自己和周围的其他人应该建立联系 我认为我们 |
| 384 | also need to find the connections between each period of science development and that's we can | 还需要找到科学发展的各个阶段之间的联系,这就是我们可以 |
| 385 | learn from each other and also show our respect to each other otherwise we may cannot find our | 互相学习 互相尊重 否则我们找不到我们 |
| 386 | own value on this earth so it's just a my echo to professor yel so thank you and then | 我对教授的回音,谢谢你 |
| 387 | for gal and you are the only i i would like to call you as an actionist | 对于女孩,你是我唯一 我想叫你作为一个行动家 |
| 388 | i learned this word from my colleague in uk and she creates this word because she thought it's | 我从我同事那里学的这个词 她创造了这个词 因为她觉得 |
| 389 | much like clear than only like a practitioner is you are you are doing real action like to | 更清楚的是你正在做真正的行动 |
| 390 | address different kind of challenge so what kind of challenge you are in front of like | 面对不同的挑战,你面对的是什么挑战? |
| 391 | you try to encounter and what's your methodology okay thank you so much for inviting me to this | 你试图遇到什么 你的方法如何 好吧 非常感谢你邀请我来 |
| 392 | event so you can imagine how nervous i would be sitting here together with my advisors my | 这样你就能想象我和我的顾问们坐在这里有多紧张了 |
| 393 | professors on the same panel so yeah i'm a little bit nervous so please excuse me if i'm | 同一小组的教授们 我有点紧张 请原谅我 |
| 394 | speak too fast or speak random something stupid things but this is my first time not first time | 说得太快或随便说些蠢话,但这是我第一次,不是第一次 |
| 395 | here in yale beijing center actually the third time giving a talk here about 10 years ago when | 在耶鲁贝京中心 10年前第三次在这里聊天 |
| 396 | i was leading the snow leopard conservation center in the mount everest i was very fortunate | 我曾经领导雪豹保护中心 在山上永远,我非常幸运 |
| 397 | to come here and talk about my work on snow leopard conservation at yale beijing center | 来谈谈我在耶鲁贝京中心的雪豹保护工作 |
| 398 | at the time and last year i also talked about snow leopard and human wildlife coexistence | 去年我还谈到雪豹和人类野生生物共存 |
| 399 | i gave a talk online to yale beijing center so my personal train a personal journey | 我在网上和耶鲁·贝京中心谈过了 所以我的私人火车是私人旅程 |
| 400 | in my academic training is very interdisciplinary so you talk about silos and professor y'all talk | 在我的学术训练中是非常跨学科的 所以你们谈论仓子和教授 你们都谈论 |
| 401 | about connections this is something that i have been trying to do over the past 15 years since | 有关关系,这是过去15年我一直在努力做的事情 |
| 402 | i was an undergraduate student at pick university so i was major i majored in biology when i was | 我是选美大学的本科生 所以我是主修生物学的 |
| 403 | undergraduate and i focused on environmental policy especially policy science when i was a | 本科生和我专注于环境政策 特别是政策科学 当我是一名 |
| 404 | student at yale school of forestry environmental studies and when i was doing my pst i was in a | 在耶尔森林环境研究学院的学生 当我在做我的工作时 |
| 405 | combined program between the yale school of environment and the department of anthropology | 雅尔环境学院和人类学系的合并方案 |
| 406 | so i was trained as a conservation scientist and social culture anthropologist so this is the | 所以我被训练成保护学家 和社会文化人类学家 |
| 407 | journey that i have been through and all these years i have been trying to connect knowledge | 这些年来,我一直在尝试连接知识 |
| 408 | and practice how can we become what i called edge worker so now i'm running a program called | 练习一下,我们怎么才能成为我所说的边缘工人 所以我现在正在运行一个叫做 |
| 409 | edge worker it's an initiative that aims to cultivate that kind of awareness and capacity | 边际工人计划旨在培养这种意识和能力 |
| 410 | to bridge different world so many problems are created because of the boundaries whether it is | 将不同的世界连接起来... ... ...... |
| 411 | ecological boundaries geopolitical boundaries social boundaries or like cultural boundaries | 社会边界或类似文化边界 |
| 412 | disciplinary boundaries divide us and we are not able to see the connection or see the world the | 纪律界限把我们分隔开 我们无法看到联系或世界 |
| 413 | problems that we are facing in a more holistic way and that cause a lot of problem so how can we | 我们正以更加全面的方式面对的问题,这造成了很多问题,因此我们如何能够 |
| 414 | integrate knowledge from different disciplines whether it is social science natural science or | 综合不同学科的知识,无论是社会科学自然科学还是 |
| 415 | the humanities to help us understand the problem and how can we connect or integrate different | 人文科学帮助我们理解问题 以及如何连接或融合不同的 |
| 416 | not just the scientific ways of knowing but also the indigenous traditional local ways of knowing | 不仅了解科学方法,而且了解当地土著传统方法 |
| 417 | i'm more familiar with tibetan buddhism so over the years i have been working together with | 我比较熟悉西藏的佛教 所以这些年来我一直合作 |
| 418 | tibetan buddhist monks and we are trying to integrate science and tibetan buddhism to help | 西藏佛教僧侣 我们试图整合科学 和西藏佛教 来帮助 |
| 419 | us promote biodiversity conservation so we talk about all these important ideas ecological wisdoms | 我们促进生物多样性的保护,所以我们谈论所有这些重要的思想 生态智慧 |
| 420 | how can we transform this kind of wisdom into the everyday activity everyday practice of individuals | 我们怎样才能将这种智慧转化为个人的日常活动? |
| 421 | and the society and this is something that i feel very important and something that i have been | 社会,这是我感到非常重要的东西 和一些我曾经 |
| 422 | trying to and use my knowledge and expertise to achieve over the years so different ways of knowing | 尝试并使用我的知识和专长 实现多年来 如此不同的了解方式 |
| 423 | and different ways of life and we talk about this important idea of different culture might have | 和不同的生活方式, 我们谈论这个重要的想法 不同的文化可能拥有 |
| 424 | this understanding of human nature relationship which is very different from the modern way of | 对人性关系的理解 与现代人类 |
| 425 | understanding but how can this kind of traditional wisdom inform our conservation practice | 理解,但这种传统智慧 如何指导我们的养护实践 |
| 426 | informed the everyday action everyday life of individuals like the students here the | 告诉学生的日常生活 |
| 427 | scientists here or the businessmen and i think what i learned from my tibetan buddhist monk is | 这里的科学家或商人 我认为我从我的西藏佛教僧侣那里学到的 |
| 428 | i think three important ideas first impermanence impermanence how can we understand | 我认为有三个重要的想法 首先不永久不永久 我们如何理解 |
| 429 | the world in the nature of reality is impermanence everything change and but we humans tend to see | 现实中的世界是永恒的 每件事物都会改变 但我们人类往往会看到 |
| 430 | things like something very stable and we would like to seize them and try to | 喜欢一些非常稳定的东西 我们想要抓住它们,并尝试 |
| 431 | get them objectify them and then try to develop a kind of attachments towards something we like | 让他们迷惑他们 然后尝试发展一种 附属于我们喜欢的东西 |
| 432 | develop develop some kind of dislike towards something that we do not think that will bring | 发展出某种 不喜欢的东西 我们认为不会带来 |
| 433 | us any value so how can we see that everything is impermanent nothing really exists forever and | 我们任何价值,所以我们如何看待一切是永恒的, 没有什么真正永远存在, |
| 434 | this is a very important idea for me personally so what kind of things what is success what kind of | 这对我个人来说是一个非常重要的想法 所以什么是成功 |
| 435 | value defined you what is the meaning of life and this is a very important question i think we need | 价值定义了生命的意义 我认为这是一个非常重要的问题 |
| 436 | to ask ourselves as an individual and also as a society what do we want to achieve collectively | 作为个人,作为一个社会,我们想集体实现什么 |
| 437 | and individually so this is the first thing and the second thing that i have learned from my | 所以这是我从我身上学到的第一件事和第二件事 |
| 438 | tibetan buddhist friend is the idea of compassion compassion so not just like this world is not just | 西藏的佛教朋友是同情心的理念,所以,不仅仅是这个世界 |
| 439 | humans habitat it is also a habitat for so many non-human lives and so every individual | 人类的栖息地 也是许多非人类生命的栖息地 所以每个人 |
| 440 | beings whether it is human or non-human all try to pursue happiness and avoid suffering so they | 无论是人类还是非人类 都试图追求幸福 避免痛苦 |
| 441 | are just like us and how can we have that kind of compassionate attitude towards those non-human | 和我们一样,我们怎么能有那种 同情的态度 那些非人类 |
| 442 | beings and based on this kind of compassion and develop the kind of conservation actions | 人类和基于这种同情心 发展出这种保护行动 |
| 443 | towards wildlife and living together and sharing this planet earth which we humans | 走向野生动物 共同生活 分享我们人类的地球 |
| 444 | so this is the second thing and the third thing is the kind of interdependent interdependence | 所以这是第二件事 第三件事是相互依存 |
| 445 | so we are also part of this larger whole i think this idea is also is also exists in so many | 所以我们也是这个更大的整体的一部分 我认为这个想法也存在于这么多 |
| 446 | different cultures so many different religions and indigenous ecological knowledge so how can we see | 如此多不同的宗教和土著的生态知识 所以我们如何看待 |
| 447 | ourself as part of the larger whole and rather than alienate self and other and try to create | 我们自己作为一个整体的一部分, 而不是疏远自我和其他 并试图创造 |
| 448 | a heart boundaries between ourself and other human beings in an instate try to connect or create more | 我们自己和其他人之间的心脏边界 在一个无状态的 试图连接或创造更多的 |
| 449 | connections and and this is something very important and the idea that can be implemented | 连接和这是非常重要的事情 和可以执行的想法 |
| 450 | in the everyday life of every individuals so this is something that i would like to share thank you | 在每个人的日常生活中,我都会感谢你们 |
| 451 | so much thank you for the three points and you also helped me to recall my journey actually | 谢谢你的三点帮助我回想起我的旅程 |
| 452 | i have a lot of transition in my career although in the recently decades all focus on climate but | 虽然最近几十年都专注于气候 |
| 453 | before that as a very beginning my career as a journalist and is also a tibet's monk not | 在那之前,作为一个开始 我的记者生涯, 同时也是一个潮湿的僧侣,不是 |
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| 455 | and i met a beggar there and he came to me and asked for one dollar | 我在那里遇到一个乞丐 他来找我要一块钱 |
| 456 | if you can understand it better one yuan and not one yuan | 如果你能更了解它 一个人民币而不是一个人民币 |
| 457 | you can just as a one dollar but i only have a ten dollar | 你只要一块钱,我只有十块钱 |
| 458 | at that moment no one cent so i say hey okay give you a ten cents | 那时候一分钱都没了,我说好给你一分钱 |
| 459 | and he he accept and then use his hand to find and then return me nine and i say what | 他接受,然后用手 找到,然后还我九,我说什么 |
| 460 | it's so small money why you return me you can take it and he said but in my religion | 钱太少了,你为什么还给我... ...你可以拿走,他说,但是在我的宗教里 |
| 461 | i cannot own you in this life if i only use this life the next life i have to return you | 我这辈子不能拥有你 只要我用这种生活 来生我一定要还你 |
| 462 | i say what right it's definitely so different with our culture but it's true it's happened | 我说,什么是正确的 它绝对是如此不同 我们的文化,但这是真的,它发生了 |
| 463 | in front of me like oh at that moment you know something really collapsed here and that he helped | 在我的面前,哦,在那一刻 你知道有些事情真的崩溃了 在这里,他帮助 |
| 464 | me to realize oh there are different worlds different mindset and this world is so beautiful | 我意识到,哦 有不同的世界 不同的思维, 这个世界是如此美丽 |
| 465 | and i should show my respect and so this is this beggar changed my career at that moment | 我应该表示尊敬 所以这个乞丐改变了我的事业 |
| 466 | and then before i went to you it's another buddhist a really monk this time | 在我去找你之前 这回又是个佛教徒 真正的和尚 |
| 467 | changed my life it's a i read his book it's then and the art of saving the planet | 改变了我的生活,我读了他的书 那时是拯救地球的艺术 |
| 468 | at that moment i only understand climate change and i have worked in this field for so many years | 那时我只了解气候变化,我在这个领域工作了这么多年 |
| 469 | and participate a lot of international conference and i think oh i'm the expert on like climate | 参加很多国际会议 我觉得我是气候专家 |
| 470 | governance and the policies and the kind of ego like build up here but when i read that book | 但当我读这本书时 |
| 471 | i it's again i feel something could have here the world is so big and so many connections | 我再说一遍,我觉得这里可能有些东西 这个世界是如此之大 如此之多的联系 |
| 472 | and even a monk he can use them to understand how to save the planet and myself i only understand | 即使是修道士 他也能用他们来理解如何拯救地球 我只能理解 |
| 473 | the climate is small field and i feel my ego how can i like thinking this way so he helped me to | 气候太小,我感到我的自我 我怎么能这样想 所以他帮我 |
| 474 | reflect and find my humble gain and then also support me at a spiritual level to visit you | 反省并找到我微薄的收获 并在精神层面支持我拜访你 |
| 475 | and to work together with the colleagues there and then i met you so i can say that this kind | 和同事一起工作 然后我遇到了你 所以我可以说这种 |
| 476 | of brilliant people they helped me to open my mind so also thank you so much and now i'm trying to | 他们帮助我打开心扉 也非常感谢你 现在我试着 |
| 477 | exercise how to cultivate my compassion yeah to show my respect to everyone not only human but | 练习如何培养我的同情心 对每个人表示尊敬 |
| 478 | the different creatures on this earth yeah so i'm also curious about your real story | 地球上不同的生物 对,所以我也好奇你的真实故事 |
| 479 | kisses could you please show us one case how to use like both is your understanding on both is | 亲吻你能否给我们看一眼 如何使用 就像你对两者的理解是 |
| 480 | to for your conservation work it's a very big topic and let me share one stop | 为了你的保护工作 这话题很重要 让我分享一下 |
| 481 | about my personal journey, how I have to shift because of my interaction with | 关于我个人的旅行, 我如何必须转变 因为我与互动 |
| 482 | those people coming from very different culture. | 他们来自不同的文化 |
| 483 | I was born in southeastern part | 我出生在东南部 |
| 484 | of China on the coastal area, so from Fujian province, and I like fish. | 中国沿海地区,所以福建省,我喜欢鱼。 |
| 485 | I eat a | 我吃一个 |
| 486 | lot of seafood. | 很多海鲜。 |
| 487 | I like fish, and I still remember when I was running the Snow | 我喜欢鱼,我仍然记得 当我运行雪 |
| 488 | Leopard Conservation Center in Tibet. | 西藏豹子保护中心. |
| 489 | At that time I worked together with | 当时,我与 |
| 490 | So even though I lived in Tibet, I did not really interact with local Buddhist monks | 所以即使我住在西藏, 我并没有真正与当地的佛教僧侣互动 |
| 491 | and local Tibetan herders. | 以及当地藏族牧民. |
| 492 | I spent most of my time with scientists, and so at that | 我大部分时间都和科学家在一起 所以... |
| 493 | time, conservation based on science, that is the approach that we like to do, used | 时间,基于科学的保护, 这就是我们喜欢的做法,使用 |
| 494 | to do conservation. | 做保护。 |
| 495 | So I still remember at that time I would go to the local | 所以我还记得那时我会去当地 |
| 496 | market and then bought fish from the merchants there, and then took the fish | 然后从那里的商人那里买鱼 然后把鱼带走 |
| 497 | back home, and then just use the knife to kill the fish. | 然后用刀杀死鱼 |
| 498 | At that time, yeah, it seems | 当时,是的,似乎 |
| 499 | very normal for me to do that, and I didn't feel guilty. | 我这样做是很正常的, 我没有感到内疚。 |
| 500 | I didn't feel anything | 我什么都没感觉到 |
| 501 | wrong. | 错 |
| 502 | But gradually, because I spent so much time with the monks, and they kept | 渐渐地,因为我花了这么多时间 与僧侣,他们保持 |
| 503 | telling me the fish would feel painful if you do that to them. | 如果你这样对鱼,鱼会很痛苦 |
| 504 | So now I can't do that, | 所以,现在我不能这样做, |
| 505 | and I don't even dare to eat fish or any other like shrimp, something that I also | 我甚至不敢吃鱼 或其他像虾一样的东西 |
| 506 | like a lot. | 喜欢很多。 |
| 507 | I don't eat them, like buy them freshly from the markets, but only, | 我不吃它们, 就像从市场上买新货,但只是, |
| 508 | and gradually I give up eating seafood, even though I like it. | 我逐渐放弃吃海鲜 尽管我喜欢 |
| 509 | And I can't, I feel, I start | 而我不能,我觉得,我开始 |
| 510 | to feel that kind of feeling towards those non-human beings, something that is not exist | 感觉那种感觉 对于这些非人类, 一些不存在的东西 |
| 511 | or did not exist in my mind at that time. | 或者当时我脑海中并不存在 |
| 512 | And this is the change that I have gone | 这就是我去的改变 |
| 513 | through personally. | 通过个人。 |
| 514 | And in terms of my conservation activities, as I mentioned, | 至于我的保护活动,正如我所提到的, |
| 515 | at the very beginning, we use science to do conservation, and especially positivist | 一开始,我们用科学做保护, 特别是理论家 |
| 516 | science. | 科学。 |
| 517 | So ecology, we study the population and distribution of snow leopards. | 因此生态学,我们研究雪豹的种群和分布. |
| 518 | We assume | 我们假设 |
| 519 | that if we understand the current status of a species, and also understand the threat | 如果我们了解物种的现状 也了解威胁 |
| 520 | posed on to this species, then we can develop some interventions to help us resolve the problems | 然后我们可以制定一些干预措施 帮助我们解决问题 |
| 521 | facing this species and then save the species. | 面对这个物种,然后拯救这个物种。 |
| 522 | This is a very logical way of thinking about | 这是一个非常合乎逻辑的思考方式 |
| 523 | conservation programs and conservation approach. | 养护方案和养护办法。 |
| 524 | As I spent time together doing conservation with | 我花时间一起做保护 |
| 525 | Tibetan Buddhist monks, and I gradually realized how they see conservation problems in a very | 藏传佛教僧侣,我逐渐意识到 他们如何看待保护问题 |
| 526 | different way. | 不同的方式。 |
| 527 | Because every individual look at the world from a particular perspective, | 因为每个人都从特定的角度看待世界, |
| 528 | and that is informed by their worldview, especially their ontology, their epistemology, | 他们的世界观,特别是本体学、认知学, |
| 529 | and their ethics. | 和他们的道德。 |
| 530 | So how do we define a conservation problem? | 那么,我们如何定义保护问题? |
| 531 | A conservation problem is not all there, | 保护问题并不全存在 |
| 532 | it's something is defined by individuals from certain perspectives. | 这是个人从某些角度定义的 |
| 533 | So from the Buddhist monks | 所以从佛教僧侣那里 |
| 534 | perspective, conservation programs are not something out there, created by the actions | 保护计划不是由行动创造的 |
| 535 | of some individuals, whether the individuals are from the local or from the outsiders. | 某些个人,无论是当地人还是外来人。 |
| 536 | But it is | 但这是 |
| 537 | the collective action, and from many of my conservation Buddhist monks' perspective, | 从我许多保护佛教僧侣的观点来看, |
| 538 | what has changed is not the environment. | 改变的不是环境。 |
| 539 | We talk about climate change, we talk about the | 我们谈论气候变化,我们谈论 |
| 540 | climate change in terms of ecology, habitat, species, biodiversity. | 在生态,栖息地,物种,生物多样性等方面气候变化. |
| 541 | But from a certain | 但从某种意义上 |
| 542 | perspective, from the Buddhist perspective, what has changed is not the environment. | 从佛教角度看,改变的不是环境。 |
| 543 | What has changed | 改变了什么 |
| 544 | is the human mind. | 是人类的心灵 |
| 545 | The human mind has changed, and that is why the environment has changed. | 人类的思想已经改变,这就是环境之所以改变的原因. |
| 546 | And | 还有 |
| 547 | from this perspective, our conservation focus should be not on the outside world, but on the | 从这个角度看,我们的养护重点不应放在外界,而应放在 |
| 548 | inside world, our mind. | 我们的心灵 |
| 549 | And that is why we focused a lot on how to reinvent or reconstruct Buddhism | 这就是为什么我们集中了很多 如何重塑或重建佛教 |
| 550 | to help us adapt to the current problems that we are facing today, and focusing on the mind | 帮助我们适应我们今天面临的问题,并集中注意 |
| 551 | through education, through engaging local communities, through creating more opportunities | 通过教育、让地方社区参与、创造更多机会 |
| 552 | for local people to use their traditional way of knowing and traditional way of living to | 当地人民利用他们的传统认识方式和传统生活方式 |
| 553 | participate in conservation. | 参与保护。 |
| 554 | And in this way, we might be able to create a better condition for us | 这样,我们也许能为我们创造更好的条件 |
| 555 | to have that kind of opportunity to live together with non-human beings on a shared landscape. | 拥有与非人类共同生活的机会 |
| 556 | So | 这么说 |
| 557 | what I have changed, I think, is through focusing on the objective outside world, through science, | 我认为,我所改变的是通过专注于外部世界的目标, 通过科学, |
| 558 | rigorous science, to more focus on the inner world, the inner minds, and through the understanding | 严谨的科学 更注重内心世界 内心的思想 通过理解 |
| 559 | of the importance of culture and integrating the different dimensions of conservation problems, | 承认文化的重要性和将养护问题的不同方面结合起来的重要性, |
| 560 | whether it is ecological, social, or culture. | 无论是生态、社会还是文化。 |
| 561 | How can we integrate these different dimensions | 我们如何整合这些不同的层面 |
| 562 | to see the collectiveness, and from this perspective, to do conservation? | 从这个角度来看待集体主义, 做保护? |
| 563 | Yeah, thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 564 | Thank you so much, Mary. | 谢谢你,玛丽 |
| 565 | I know you're always very keen to talk with the audience. | 我知道你总是非常热衷于与观众交谈. |
| 566 | So now, | 所以现在 |
| 567 | let's open the floor to the audience. | 让我们向观众开放。 |
| 568 | So if you have any questions or comments, | 所以如果你有任何问题或评论 |
| 569 | please raise up your hands. | 请举起手来 |
| 570 | Oh, yes, please. | 哦,是的,请。 |
| 571 | Thank you, Professor, and I'm also very keen | 谢谢你,教授,我也非常渴望 |
| 572 | about your interdisciplinary subjects, the combination between the culture and also the | 关于你的跨学科学科 文化的结合 |
| 573 | ecological civilization. | 生态文明. |
| 574 | But I have a question about, like you mean that we need to cultivate | 但我有个问题,你的意思是 我们需要培养 |
| 575 | people's culture in order to create a better environment, and you focus on the Confucius, | 为了创造更好的环境,人们的文化, 你专注于孔子, |
| 576 | and also Daism, and also many cultures. | 以及许多文化。 |
| 577 | But I think, so which one do you mainly focus in? | 但我想,你主要关注哪一个? |
| 578 | It's about Confucianism, or Daism, or like the Christianity, or something else. | 论儒教,或达教,或如基督教,或别之. |
| 579 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 580 | All of them. | 一切众生. |
| 581 | Every tradition we're trying to suggest has something to offer, | 每一个传统,我们试图建议 有东西可以提供, |
| 582 | for this critical moment for our planet and for future generations. | 为我们星球和子孙后代的这一关键时刻。 |
| 583 | In Christianity, | 在基督教中, |
| 584 | there's a huge field of eco-theology now, many books, many courses, and so on. | 现在有一大片生态神学领域,很多书籍,许多课程等等. |
| 585 | In the Middle | 在中间 |
| 586 | East, there's a whole example called EcoPeace Middle East, and it brings together Judaism, | 东边有个叫生态和平的中东的例子 它把犹太教聚集在一起 |
| 587 | Christianity, Islam, on water issues to save the Jordan River, the Sea of Galilee. | 基督教,伊斯兰教,论水利问题以拯救约旦河,加利利海. |
| 588 | So there's | 这么说 |
| 589 | many practices, there's ideas and practices. | 很多做法,有 想法和做法。 |
| 590 | If you look on our website, there's engaged | 如果你在网站上看到,就订婚了 |
| 591 | projects from all over the world on every tradition. | 来自世界各地的各种传统项目。 |
| 592 | So I, of course, value, as you can see, | 所以,我,当然,价值,如你所见, |
| 593 | the traditions of East Asia, because I think they're quite extraordinary. | 东亚的传统, 因为我认为它们是相当不寻常的。 |
| 594 | They're very ancient, | 他们很古老, |
| 595 | but they're very relevant. | 但他们非常相关 |
| 596 | So that happens to be a deep interest. | 因此,这恰好是一个深刻的兴趣。 |
| 597 | But my husband specializes | 但我丈夫很擅长 |
| 598 | in indigenous traditions, and we've been adopted into a family on the Crow Tribe in Montana. | 我们被收养到蒙大拿州的乌鸦部落 |
| 599 | And indigenous traditions are hugely important, just as you said, traditional environmental | 正如你说的 传统环境 |
| 600 | knowledge and so on. | 知识等. |
| 601 | So all of these traditions are very, very significant. | 所以所有这些传统都是非常,非常重要的. |
| 602 | Why? | 为什么? |
| 603 | Eighty-five percent, | 百分之八十五,我说 |
| 604 | eighty to eighty-five percent of the world's people identify as religious. | 世界上百分之八至八十五的人认同为宗教. |
| 605 | So we need to | 所以我们需要 |
| 606 | bring that force into the discussion. | 把这种力量带入讨论之中。 |
| 607 | And finally, I would say we've been trying with many scholars, | 最后,我要说,我们一直在尝试 与许多学者, |
| 608 | many environmentalists, many practitioners, to create a new field of study. | 许多环保主义者,许多从业者,来创造新的研究领域. |
| 609 | Twenty-five years ago, | 25年前,我们... |
| 610 | there was no field of religion and ecology. | 没有宗教和生态领域。 |
| 611 | And after the conferences, many people started to | 会议之后,很多人开始 |
| 612 | develop this. | 开发这个。 |
| 613 | There's now twenty-five graduate programs in North America, in master's programs, | 现在北美有25个研究生课程 在硕士课程中 |
| 614 | PhD programs. | 博士课程。 |
| 615 | But maybe even more important is we say there's a field, but there's also a force, | 但也许更重要的是,我们说有一块田地, 但也有力量, |
| 616 | a moral force. | 一种道德力量。 |
| 617 | And that moral force is gaining traction. | 而这种道德力量越来越有吸引力。 |
| 618 | Right now in New York, the banks are | 现在在纽约,银行是 |
| 619 | having people from various religions saying this climate change lending of money to oil companies | 有来自不同宗教的人 说气候变化贷款给石油公司 |
| 620 | is morally wrong. | 道德上是错误的。 |
| 621 | 於是 blocking堵门等. | |
| 622 | So there's a moral transformation | 所以有道德转变 |
| 623 | now that's happening all around the world, actually. | 事实上,这正在世界各地发生。 |
| 624 | Climate justice, eco-justice, and so on, | 气候正义、生态正义等 |
| 625 | is part of it. | 这是其中的一部分。 |
| 626 | So I hope that answers your question. | 所以我希望这能回答你的问题。 |
| 627 | Yeah, so it's basically to analyze | 是啊,所以它基本上是分析 |
| 628 | the other world's traditional culture and to, like, the big world collaborate for one goal. | 另一个世界的传统文化 和像,大世界合作 一个目标。 |
| 629 | Well, you know, it's going to be, the phrase here is unity and diversity, right? | 嗯,你知道,这将是, 这里的短语是团结和多样性,对不对? |
| 630 | So I'm not suggesting | 所以我不建议 |
| 631 | it's going to be one goal with everybody on the same page. | 这将是一个目标 每个人在同一页。 |
| 632 | This is why the diversity of religions, | 这就是为什么宗教的多样性, |
| 633 | philosophies, and cultures are so important, and that we understand what you have learned from | 哲学和文化都很重要 我们理解你学到了什么 |
| 634 | Buddhism, what I've learned from Buddhism, and so on, is very different, very important. | 佛教,我从佛教等学来的东西,都非常不同,非常重要. |
| 635 | But we are | 但我们是 |
| 636 | suggesting, it's a suggestion, that the idea of ecological civilization has a very profound | 一种建议是 生态文明的理念非常深刻 |
| 637 | potential to bring people together. | 将人聚集在一起的潜力。 |
| 638 | Certainly in China, it's already doing this, and again, | 当然在中国,它已经在这么做了 |
| 639 | professors here who have studied this can comment as they would like to. | 在这里研究过这个的教授可以随意评论. |
| 640 | And what I find very | 我发现的 |
| 641 | interesting is even in the West, this idea is now being picked up, because everyone is saying, | 有趣的是,即使在西方, 这个想法现在被接受, 因为每个人都在说, |
| 642 | we've done the Industrial Revolution. | 我们完成了工业革命 |
| 643 | Certainly China has, brilliantly, but now we need something | 当然,中国有,辉煌, 但现在我们需要的东西 |
| 644 | different, ecological civilization. | 不同的,生态文明。 |
| 645 | If we can't breathe the air in Beijing, if the food security | 如果我们不能呼吸 北京的空气,如果粮食安全 |
| 646 | is a problem, if the water, we can't drink it, if traditional Chinese medicine, if the herbs are | 问题是,如果水,我们不能喝, 如果传统中药,如果草药是 |
| 647 | polluted, we have a problem, right? | 污染,我们有一个问题,对不对? |
| 648 | So it's very real, it's very practical, it's not just ideas, | 所以这是非常真实的,非常实用的,不仅仅是想法, |
| 649 | you know? | 你知道吗? |
| 650 | We want for our children a healthy environment. | 我们希望我们的儿童有一个健康的环境。 |
| 651 | We don't have children, but we feel | 我们没有孩子,但我们觉得 |
| 652 | our students are our children, and this is work for all future generations. | 我们的学生是我们的孩子,这是为子孙后代工作。 |
| 653 | Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's | 是啊,是啊,是啊,这是 |
| 654 | amazing. | 厉害 |
| 655 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 656 | Hello, professor, and I'm a high school student, and I've heard a lecture, | 你好,教授,我是一个高中生, 我听到一个讲座, |
| 657 | and I have some questions and some of my comments to share. | 我有一些问题和一些评论要分享。 |
| 658 | And I would like to ask anyone who is | 我想问任何人谁是 |
| 659 | willing to answer my question, so you could just... | 愿意回答我的问题 所以你可以... |
| 660 | So my first question is regarding facts or basic | 所以我的第一个问题 是关于事实或基本 |
| 661 | knowledge, because since I'm a green hand in social science, because I recently want to discover | 因为我是社会科学的绿手 因为我最近想发现 |
| 662 | this field. | 这个领域。 |
| 663 | Can you hold your microphone? | 你能拿着麦克风吗? |
| 664 | Okay, so my first question is about the categories of | 好吧,所以我的第一个问题 关于类别 |
| 665 | civilization, because in the lecture, you mentioned that the civilization has a lot of categories, | 在演讲中,你提到 文明有很多种类 |
| 666 | such as material civilization, cultural civilization, and so forth. | 例如物质文明,文化文明等等. |
| 667 | So could you | 你也一样 |
| 668 | say more about that for me to let me know what it mainly is? | 让我知道它是什么? |
| 669 | So that's actually from the Chinese | 其实是从中国来的 |
| 670 | Constitution in 2018, that is trying to say this isn't a one issue, it's not just ecology, but it's | 2018年的宪法,那就是试图说这不是一个问题,它不仅仅是生态,而是 |
| 671 | trying to bring together a transformation that's systemic. | 试图把一个系统化的转变结合起来。 |
| 672 | So we need a green GDP, we need ecological | 所以我们需要绿色GDP,我们需要生态 |
| 673 | education, we need a new politics that has like a green party, even in the West, you see. | 教育,我们需要一个新的政治, 像绿党,即使在西方,你看。 |
| 674 | ┮Τ | |
| 675 | these sectors have to come together, so we don't just have silos. | 这些部门必须走到一起, 所以我们不只是有井。 |
| 676 | That's what's being indicated by | 这就是所显示的 |
| 677 | the Chinese Constitution, but also this call to go beyond disciplines and sectors. | 中国宪法,但也呼吁超越学科和部门。 |
| 678 | Something much | 东西很多 |
| 679 | more unified, integral ecology is a term being used in the West now. | 更统一,整体的生态学是西方现在使用的一个术语. |
| 680 | Integral ecology. | 综合生态学. |
| 681 | | |
| 682 | so like material is like a physical concept, and civilization is like a mental concept. | 所以,像物质就像一个物理概念, 文明就像一个精神概念。 |
| 683 | So | 这么说 |
| 684 | if you combine these two together, so what does it really mean? | 如果你把两者结合起来 那到底是什么意思? |
| 685 | Yeah, I think this civilization, this word really came from French in the 18th century. | 我想这个文明 这个词真的来自18世纪的法语。 |
| 686 | Originally, 18 was the only meaning for politeness and courtesy. | 最初,18是礼貌和礼貌的唯一含义. |
| 687 | And they say something like some kind of how you treat other people. | 他们说你对待别人的方式 |
| 688 | But you know, | 但你知道吗, |
| 689 | gradually it had been expanded to including to refer to all the achievements human made | 它逐渐扩大到包括所有人类成就 |
| 690 | under the guidance of the proper philosophy and the value systems and achieve these kind of things. | 在正确的哲学和价值体系的指导下,实现这些东西. |
| 691 | Today, civilization uses basically about two senses. | 今天,文明基本上使用两种感官. |
| 692 | One is the human achievements, | 一个是人类的成就, |
| 693 | material achievements, and the cultural achievements. | 物质成就和文化成就。 |
| 694 | And another is called ethical | 另一个叫做道德 |
| 695 | use and value, evaluating. | 使用和价值,评价。 |
| 696 | And if you are civilized and you perform good, speak nice, | 如果你是文明的,你表现良好, 说得好, |
| 697 | but if you are uncivilized, you shout at other people. | 但是如果你不文明,你就对别人大喊大叫。 |
| 698 | So these are two kind of uses of this | 所以这是两种用途 |
| 699 | civilization in our vocabulary. | 我们词汇中的文明。 |
| 700 | So this refers to your first question about what kind of | 所以,这是指你的第一个问题 关于什么样的 |
| 701 | the tradition we talk about is Confucianism, Daism, and Buddhism, and all this Christianity | 我们谈论的传统是儒教、大教、佛教和所有基督教 |
| 702 | and Islam. | 和伊斯兰教。 |
| 703 | So all these people, why these people try to find these resources in traditional | 所以所有这些人,为什么这些人 试图找到这些资源 在传统 |
| 704 | belief systems to try to serve these todays and our environmental protection and conservation and | 我们的环境保护和养护以及 |
| 705 | this kind of thing. | 这种东西。 |
| 706 | So this means that the tradition and the not, as they call modernization | 所以,这意味着传统和不传统, 他们称之为现代化 |
| 707 | theorists said tradition died, tradition was bad, tradition in contrast with modernity. | 理论家们说传统死了,传统是坏的,传统与现代相对. |
| 708 | Because I've been teaching a course on the tradition and modernity in the last 10 or 15 | 因为我过去10到15年 一直在教授传统和现代学课程 |
| 709 | years. | 岁月 |
| 710 | I've been teaching this course for the undergraduate. | 我为本科生讲授这个课程. |
| 711 | So one student asked me why I | 所以有个学生问我为什么 |
| 712 | teach this course. | 教这个课程。 |
| 713 | So this is not really a proper name for a course. | 因此,这其实不是一个合适的课程名称。 |
| 714 | I said tradition | 我说了传统 |
| 715 | and modernity are two powers. | 现代是两种力量 |
| 716 | We can't ignore any of them. | 我们不能忽视其中任何一个 |
| 717 | And if we lost one of them, | 如果我们失去了其中之一 |
| 718 | and then we could be trouble. | 然后我们可能会成为麻烦。 |
| 719 | So if we stay with the tradition and not modernize ourselves, | 所以,如果我们坚持传统,而不实现自我现代化, |
| 720 | then we would be discussed by the world anyway. | 那样世界就会讨论我们了 |
| 721 | But on the other hand, if we move to the | 但另一方面,如果我们搬到 |
| 722 | modernization, and without this traditional beliefs, value systems, and these customers, | 现代化,没有这种传统信仰,价值体系,和这些顾客, |
| 723 | and this means our modernization would be short of something which is valuable to us. | 这意味着我们的现代化 将缺乏一些对我们有价值的东西。 |
| 724 | So that is | 这就是 |
| 725 | probably, I think as Mary even said, all tradition are useful, all are valuable to today | 也许,我想,玛丽甚至说, 所有的传统都是有用的, 所有价值今天 |
| 726 | when we live in this 21st century, and how to reflect our religion, and with the environment, | 当我们生活在21世纪, 如何反映我们的宗教, 以及环境, |
| 727 | with equality, and these kind of things here. | 与平等, 和这些事情在这里。 |
| 728 | Okay, so like in other words, we have to achieve | 好吧,所以就像换句话说, 我们必须实现 |
| 729 | a balance between tradition and modernization. | 传统与现代化之间的平衡。 |
| 730 | And not shift, but I think we need to combine them, | 而不是转移, 但我认为我们需要结合它们, |
| 731 | rather than just separate them. | 而不是把它们分开 |
| 732 | Because in the past, in the 19th century, and the first half of | 因为在过去的19世纪 和上半叶 |
| 733 | this 20th century, and these people are really quite keen about modernization. | 这些人非常热衷于现代化 |
| 734 | So tradition is | 所以传统是 |
| 735 | something which is bad, and also backward, and also the obstacles for our further progress. | 坏事,也是落后的, 还有阻碍我们取得进一步进展的障碍。 |
| 736 | But today, and I think not today, I think it's the 1950s, and the people, more and more people | 但今天,我想不是今天, 我认为这是1950年代, 人民,越来越多的人 |
| 737 | realize that tradition is a part of our earth, part of our life. | 认识到传统是我们地球的一部分,是我们生活的一部分。 |
| 738 | You just can't throw them | 你不能扔他们 |
| 739 | out away. | 离开。 |
| 740 | It will be there, and it is there. | 它会在那里,它就在那里。 |
| 741 | So I should say today, how we combine tradition and | 所以我今天应该说 我们如何把传统和 |
| 742 | modernity together, than to find a new way forward. | 现代性一起,而不是寻找新的前进道路。 |
| 743 | Okay, so now I know the role that | 好吧,现在我知道这个角色 |
| 744 | traditions play on the mental development. | 传统对精神发展有影响。 |
| 745 | And I have another question about how do the religions | 我还有一个问题,关于宗教如何 |
| 746 | form, regarding this topic. | 关于本专题的表格。 |
| 747 | My question is about, because I've also learned some social science, | 我的问题是 因为我也学到了一些社会科学 |
| 748 | and I'm really curious about these topics. | 我很想知道这些话题 |
| 749 | So when the Taoism, and it is a very ancient religion, | 所以当道教,它是一个非常古老的宗教, |
| 750 | and I assume that it is formed, it is generated mainly because of the people's dependence on | 我假设它是形成的, 它是主要因为人们依赖 |
| 751 | nature. | 性质。 |
| 752 | Because it has a theory called, like, it stresses the harmony between | 因为它有一个理论 叫做, 它强调和谐 |
| 753 | human and nature. | 人类与自然 |
| 754 | Because I assume that at that time, people, they develop cultivation, and they | 因为我假设,在那时,人们, 他们发展种植,他们 |
| 755 | have a really high degree of dependence on the nature. | 高度依赖大自然。 |
| 756 | So they are very aware of the nature, | 所以他们很了解自然, |
| 757 | because they couldn't control it or tolerate to it. | 因为他们无法控制 或容忍它。 |
| 758 | But when the time elapsed, the technology had | 但是当时间流逝时 科技已经 |
| 759 | been developed, and let's say, in the Western civilization, they've achieved the industrial | 比如说,在西方文明中 他们实现了工业 |
| 760 | revolution. | 革命。 革命。 |
| 761 | They've passed through the industrial revolution. | 他们经历了工业革命. |
| 762 | Okay, I think you can think more about | 好吧,我觉得你可以多想想 |
| 763 | your question. | 你的问题。 |
| 764 | And because just now we answered one question from your side, I think from the | 因为刚才我们回答了一个问题 从你这边,我想 |
| 765 | question justice perspective, let's leave the time to the other friends here. | 我们把时间留给这里的其他朋友 |
| 766 | And if we still have | 如果我们还有 |
| 767 | more time, we can back to you, okay? | 更多的时间,我们可以回到你,好吗? |
| 768 | Yeah, thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 769 | And yeah, good, good. | 对,很好 |
| 770 | Yeah, so sorry about that. | 是啊,我很抱歉 关于这一点。 |
| 771 | Actually, I'm here to share some comments for gratitude. | 实际上,我在这里 分享一些评论 感谢。 |
| 772 | Actually, three years ago, I attended the Yale Center Beijing's smart talk on climate change. | 事实上,三年前,我参加了耶鲁中心北京关于气候变化的聪明演讲。 |
| 773 | During that time, I actually developed several interests in the current world issues, such as | 在此期间,我实际上在当今世界问题上发展了几种兴趣,例如: |
| 774 | mental health and multicultural perspective. | 心理健康和多文化观点。 |
| 775 | And of course, those problems relate to environment and | 当然,这些问题涉及环境和环境。 |
| 776 | our relationship with all of our friends in nature. | 我们和我们所有在大自然的朋友的关系。 |
| 777 | And yeah, just like what you mentioned, I really | 是的,就像你提到的,我真的 |
| 778 | like the point that everything is interconnected. | 就像所有东西都是互相关联的 |
| 779 | As those three years passed, I started to see the | 这三年过去了,我开始看到 |
| 780 | connections between what I love what I sought for what I yeah, what I experienced throughout my | 我所追求的 我所经历的 |
| 781 | lifetime. | 一辈子 |
| 782 | And I feel like, yeah, everything is interconnected. | 我觉得,是的,一切都是相互关联的。 |
| 783 | And from my perspective, | 从我的角度来看 |
| 784 | I really like the point of compassion and interdependence, especially compassion. | 我真的喜欢同情和相互依存,特别是同情。 |
| 785 | Here's | 给你 |
| 786 | my new point. | 我的新观点 |
| 787 | And yeah, I'm a very sympathetic person. | 是的,我是一个非常同情的人。 |
| 788 | And I usually show a lot of sympathy to | 我通常会向 |
| 789 | what's happening around me, good or bad. | 我周围发生的一切,好或坏。 |
| 790 | Yeah, so those kind of things really inspired me to take | 是啊,所以这些事情 真的激励我采取 |
| 791 | actions to discover a better version of myself to, you know, explore more about the world, | 行动来发现 我更好的版本,你知道, 探索更多关于世界, |
| 792 | how I can make it better while I'm personally developing. | 我个人发展的时候,怎样才能让它更好. |
| 793 | So yeah, I, I think I really, | 所以,我,我觉得我真的, |
| 794 | I'm really resonated with all the points you all covered today. | 我对你们今天讨论的所有问题都非常满意 |
| 795 | And I feel like, yeah, if we can | 我觉得,是的,如果我们能 |
| 796 | connect history with, like the traditions with modern day society, and combine, not really combine | 将历史与现代社会联系起来 而不是真正结合 |
| 797 | it's like, yeah, to borrow and to seek the connection between different cultures, | 这就像,是的,借 并寻求 不同文化之间的联系, |
| 798 | I feel like we can all make things better and create a better world. | 我觉得我们可以把事情变得更好,创造一个更美好的世界。 |
| 799 | So thank you for all the | 所以,谢谢你所有的 |
| 800 | speakers. | 发言者。 |
| 801 | Beautiful. | 美丽 |
| 802 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 803 | My name is Ang, and I'm working for the German Agency for | 我的名字是Ang,我为德国机构工作 |
| 804 | International Co-operations. | 国际合作。 |
| 805 | And I'm actually also a fresh starter in the field of climate. | 实际上,我也是气候领域的新生者。 |
| 806 | And I just so intrigued by the word ecological civilizations. | 我对生态文明这个词非常感兴趣。 |
| 807 | And for me, I, when I like, | 对我来说,我,当我喜欢, |
| 808 | listen, like, the the word civilizations is really like, for me, it's like, in from the | 听着,就像,文明这个词 真的像,对我来说,它就像,从 |
| 809 | Western perspective, and like, you need to, like, yeah, it's more like in the industrial. | 西方观点,就像, 你需要,喜欢,是的, 它更像在工业。 |
| 810 | | |
| 811 | I will go into my questions that like, sorry. | 我将进入我的问题 喜欢,对不起。 |
| 812 | How can you define a group of people, or like an | 如何定义一群人,或者像一个 |
| 813 | individual as a ecologically civilized? | 作为生态文明的个体? |
| 814 | Because when I'm thinking about, like, let's say a group | 因为当我在想,像, 让我们说一个团体 |
| 815 | of native tribe, they are so respectful of environments, and they are like, just consume | 他们如此尊重环境 他们喜欢,只是消耗 |
| 816 | what they need, and they just eat when they're hungry. | 他们需要什么,他们只是吃 当他们饿了。 |
| 817 | And I'm just thinking, could we say they | 我只是在想 我们可以说 |
| 818 | are ecologically civilized? | 生态文明吗? |
| 819 | Or do you have any, like, examples to show us that, like, | 或者,你有什么,喜欢, 向我们展示,喜欢, |
| 820 | what could make a person or like a group of people to be civilized ecologically? | 是什么能让一个人或喜欢一群人在生态上文明? |
| 821 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 822 | Okay, yeah. | 好吧,没错。 |
| 823 | Thank you so much for this wonderful question. | 非常感谢你的问候 |
| 824 | So, I'm coming from an anthropological | 所以,我来自人类学 |
| 825 | perspective. | 视角。 |
| 826 | So, as an anthropologist, now I'm wearing a hat of anthropologist. | 所以,作为一个人类学家, 现在我戴着人类学家的帽子。 |
| 827 | An anthropologist | 人类学家 |
| 828 | has some, have been studying civilization cultures for years, for hundreds of years. | 研究文明文化已有几百年了 |
| 829 | An anthropologist might have take, anthropologists tend to take a critical perspective | 人类学家可能认为 人类学家往往采取批评的观点 |
| 830 | towards those understandings of civilization and culture, and emphasizing that civilization | 对文明和文化的这些理解,并强调这种文明 |
| 831 | or culture are defined by people from certain perspectives. | 或文化是由人们从某些角度定义的。 |
| 832 | So, they are not | 所以,他们不是 |
| 833 | not something that is out there, or something can be defined by someone. | 不是外面的东西, 或者什么可以由某人定义。 |
| 834 | Instead, we need to | 相反,我们需要 |
| 835 | pay attention to the process, the process, who gets to decide what is called civilization, | 注意过程,过程, 谁可以决定什么叫做文明, |
| 836 | ecological civilization, who gets to decide what is ecologically civilized, and do we have | 生态文明,谁可以决定什么是生态文明,我们有 |
| 837 | a accepted or that kind of accepted procedure to help us use certain processes to define | 帮助我们使用某些程序界定 |
| 838 | and also use that definition to safeguard the community's common interest. | 并使用这一定义来维护社区的共同利益。 |
| 839 | And in this sense, | 从这个意义上来说, |
| 840 | the communities might include both humans and non-humans. | 社区可能包括人类和非人类。 |
| 841 | So, then, in this way, you shift | 所以,这样,你转身 |
| 842 | question, what is the process, and how can we build up that kind of process to help us achieve | 我们如何建立这种进程来帮助我们实现 |
| 843 | certain ends. | 一定的结局 |
| 844 | So, what are the ends, and what are the means, and what kind of mechanism can help us | 那么,什么是目的,什么是手段, 什么样的机制可以帮助我们 |
| 845 | use that kind of means to achieve that ends. | 用这种手段来达到目的 |
| 846 | So, see them as a more dynamic process, rather than | 所以,把它们看作一个更有活力的过程,而不是 |
| 847 | something just out there already defined by someone. | 外面已经有人定义了 |
| 848 | So, it's a process that every one of | 所以,这是一个过程,每一个 |
| 849 | can participate to define what is ecological civilized. | 可以参与定义什么是生态文明。 |
| 850 | You can have your definition, and I | 你可以有你的定义,我 |
| 851 | have my definition, but we need to come up with some process to allow these different perspectives | 有我的定义,但我们需要 提出一些过程 允许这些不同的观点 |
| 852 | to interact based on certain principles. | 根据某些原则进行互动。 |
| 853 | And that kind of principles, I think, is something | 那种原则,我认为,是的东西 |
| 854 | that we can retrieve from those ancient wisdoms, the understanding of interdependence, | 以便我们从那些古老的智慧中恢复出来, |
| 855 | compassion, and what is good life, what kind of good life do we want to achieve, and what is | 同情心,什么是美好生活, 我们想要实现什么样的美好生活,什么是什么 |
| 856 | happiness. | 快乐 |
| 857 | So, all these questions are very important, not just for individuals, but also for | 因此,所有这些问题都非常重要,不仅对个人,而且对 |
| 858 | society as a collective. | 社会作为一个集体。 |
| 859 | So, what is an ideal society we want to have, and what is the ideal | 因此,什么是理想的社会 我们希望有,什么是理想 |
| 860 | life as a person I want to have. | 生活是一个我想要的人。 |
| 861 | And if we really take a very closer look at the kind of | 如果我们真的仔细看看 |
| 862 | status we want to achieve, then we will see the interconnectedness of different sectors, | 我们想要实现的地位,然后我们将看到不同部门之间的相互联系, |
| 863 | whether it is political, economic, or religious, or culture, or ecological. | 无论是政治、经济或宗教,还是文化,还是生态。 |
| 864 | We realize that the | 我们意识到, |
| 865 | kind of happy life or the kind of happiness depends on a very healthy ecosystem, because | 一种快乐的生活 或那种幸福 取决于一个非常健康的生态系统, 因为 |
| 866 | ecosystems provide all these important resources, or benefits, or services. | 生态系统提供所有这些重要资源、利益或服务。 |
| 867 | Different people might | 不同的人可能会 |
| 868 | use different terms to talk about this, but human society, we depend on ecology, a well-functioned | 使用不同的术语来谈论这个, 但人类社会,我们依赖生态, 一个功能良好的 |
| 869 | ecosystem, to function, to sustain. | 生态系统,功能,维持。 |
| 870 | And in this way, as a collective and as an individual, we need | 这样,作为一个集体和个人,我们需要 |
| 871 | to think about how are we going to achieve that kind of ideal status, and what kind of behavior | 想想我们如何实现这种理想状态 以及什么样的行为 |
| 872 | can be defined as ecological, civilized. | 可以定义为生态,文明. |
| 873 | So, I'm talking about a more reflective and a more | 所以,我指的是一个更反射 和一个更 |
| 874 | thoughtful approach towards those kind of definitions, and it asks for more reflectiveness | 对这类定义采取深思熟虑的办法,并要求更具有反省性 |
| 875 | and more critical thinking. | 更严谨的思考 |
| 876 | Because these days, I think, particularly for my Chinese students, | 因为这些天,我想, 特别是对于我的中国学生来说, |
| 877 | I also teach Chinese students. | 我也教中国学生. |
| 878 | And many times, people tend to have a very rigid understanding | 很多时候,人们往往 有一种非常僵硬的理解 |
| 879 | about what is something. | 关于什么是东西。 |
| 880 | They ask for definitions, but from a certain perspective, | 他们要求定义,但从某种角度看, |
| 881 | we humans create all kinds of symbols to help us make sense of the world. | 我们人类创造各种符号 来帮助我们理解世界 |
| 882 | So, whether it is culture, | 所以,不管它是文化, |
| 883 | civilization, ecological civilization, these are all symbols that we humans create to denote or to | 文明 生态文明 这些都是我们人类创造的象征 |
| 884 | express certain values, certain worldviews, certain ideas, certain practice. | 表达某些价值,某些世界观,某些思想,某些实践. |
| 885 | So, what kind of thing, | 那么,什么样的事情, |
| 886 | or what kind of meaning do we want to input to that kind of symbol, for what kind of effect | 或者我们想输入什么样的符号, 对于什么样的效果 |
| 887 | is something that we need to think about? | 我们需要考虑一下吗? |
| 888 | So, we create so many concepts, whether it is | 所以,我们创造了这么多的概念, 不管它是 |
| 889 | self or others, or material or spiritual, or natural science or social science, or different | 自我或他人,或物质或精神,或自然科学或社会科学,或不同 |
| 890 | body and mind, or like nature and culture, all these are symbols that we create to divide the | 身体和心灵,或者像自然和文化, 所有这些都是我们创造的象征 |
| 891 | world, to categorize the interconnected world into different silos. | 将互相连接的世界分成不同的筒仓 |
| 892 | But these days, I think, | 但是现在,我想, |
| 893 | we are in a historical moment that asks for connectiveness, more connection between different | 我们正处在一个历史时刻, 要求联系, 更多的联系 不同的 |
| 894 | 仓s. | |
| 895 | And in this way, we can have a more holistic approach to these conservation problems. | 这样,我们就可以对这些养护问题采取更加全面的办法。 |
| 896 | Thank you so much. | 非常感谢 |
| 897 | I know why you are the creator and innovator. | 我知道你为什么是创造者和创新者。 |
| 898 | It's a term in Chinese, | 这是一个中文术语, |
| 899 | my friend also working on it is right. | 我的朋友也正在研究,这是正确的。 |
| 900 | Yeah, so you can observe, you know, the mindset is different. | 是啊,所以你可以观察,你知道, 心态是不同的。 |
| 901 | Yeah, we have 20 minutes left. | 是啊,我们还有20分钟。 |
| 902 | Okay, I'm gonna try my best. | 好吧,我会尽力的。 |
| 903 | Thank you so much for your input. | 非常感谢你的投入。 |
| 904 | I think the climate crisis issue is like really well known worldwide, but still you can see like | 我认为气候危机问题就像 众所周知的世界, 但你仍然可以看到, |
| 905 | anti climate movements like I'm from Germany, we have people against the Green Deal against climate | 反气候运动,像我来自德国, 我们有人反对绿色交易 反气候 |
| 906 | issues, people not wanting to be like restricted and afraid that their living standard is gonna | 人们不想像被限制一样 害怕自己的生活标准 |
| 907 | decrease or that they have too many rules and everything. | 或者说他们有太多的规则和一切 |
| 908 | And I was kind of wondering how you | 我有点好奇你怎么样 |
| 909 | can implement your research to bring the issues like how we can achieve ecological civilization | 可以实施你的研究 带来问题 像我们如何实现生态文明 |
| 910 | and how we can have a more positive spin on how we can combat the climate crisis, | 以及如何对如何应对气候危机进行更积极的思考, |
| 911 | because you said you mentioned there's a lot of research already well known, but how do we | 因为你说过有很多研究已经众所周知了 但我们怎么才能 |
| 912 | implement that that people are not against working against those climate movements. | 人民不会反对反对这些气候运动。 |
| 913 | So I think this is a really very important question. | 所以我认为这是一个非常重要的问题。 |
| 914 | And I will repeat, you know, that we | 我会重复,你知道,我们 |
| 915 | have the science, we have the policy, we have even new green economics, we have law, we have | 有科学,有政策,甚至有新的绿色经济,有法律,有法律 |
| 916 | technology, incredible technologies. | 技术,令人难以置信的技术。 |
| 917 | What's missing? | 少了什么东西? |
| 918 | A political will, clearly, but also a mindset. | 显然,政治意愿,但也是一种心态。 |
| 919 | That's why Ponyway's idea of ecological culture is so important. | 因此,马威的生态文化思想显得如此重要. |
| 920 | If we don't have this paradigm | 如果我们没有这个范式 |
| 921 | shift, we won't be able to make the change. | 换班,我们没法改变 |
| 922 | But today, the United Nations Development Program | 但今天,联合国开发计划署 |
| 923 | announced a poll to say that more than 80 percent of the world's people understand the | 全世界超过80%的人明白 |
| 924 | critical nature of climate change and that something must be done about it. | 气候变化至关重要,必须对此做一些事情。 |
| 925 | Binbin has | 宾宾有 |
| 926 | already showed here in China 95 percent of the people understand that. | 中国已经有95%的人明白这一点。 |
| 927 | But this poll is a worldwide | 但这次民意调查是全球范围的 |
| 928 | poll. | 民意调查 |
| 929 | It's very very important that is saying the awareness of this problem is huge. | 非常重要的,是说对这个问题的认识是巨大的。 |
| 930 | We can do this | 我们能做到的 |
| 931 | by fear. | 是因为恐惧 |
| 932 | We can say look at the heat in Beijing, look at the heat in New Delhi, look at the heat | 我们可以说看北京的热量,看新德里的热量,看热量 |
| 933 | in the U.S., look at the fires, look at the floods, and so on. | 在美国,看大火,看洪水等等。 |
| 934 | But we have not connected the dots | 但我们还没有连接到点 |
| 935 | fully. | 完全没有。 |
| 936 | In the U.S., we don't report fires and floods as climate related. | 在美国,我们不报告火灾和洪水与气候有关. |
| 937 | You see, weather changes | 你看,天气变了 |
| 938 | and climate related. | 与气候有关。 |
| 939 | We've got to connect the dots. | 我们必须连接点。 |
| 940 | We've got to make it very clear | 我们必须说清楚 |
| 941 | that this is critical and it's going to get worse. | 这件事很关键 而且会更糟 |
| 942 | And we have to have a moral force about this. | 我们必须有道德的力量。 |
| 943 | Let me just, and I'll stop here, but the example of a remarkable moral force is Pope Francis's | 让我来,我在这里停下来, 但杰出的道德力量的例子 是教皇方济各 |
| 944 | (原始内容存档于2018-03-21). encycroble letter Laudato Si. | |
| 945 | And he is combining this people and planet idea to say | 他把这些人和星球的想法结合起来说 |
| 946 | eco-justice, if you will, but he talks about the cry of the earth, the cry of the poor. | 生态正义,如果你愿意, 但他谈论大地的呼声, 穷人的呼声。 |
| 947 | Our colleagues at Yale said, and many other environmentalists have said, | 我们在耶鲁的同事说, 和许多其他环保主义者说, |
| 948 | this is why we got an agreement in Paris, in the COP 15 in Paris, because the moral force | 这就是为什么我们在巴黎达成了协议 在巴黎的缔约方会议第十五届会议上 因为道德力量 |
| 949 | of Laudato Si was very clear. | 劳达托的诗句是明确的。 |
| 950 | And now there's classes on this. | 现在有课了 |
| 951 | The Vatican has a whole class | 梵蒂冈有一套 |
| 952 | 700 people taking it and so on. | 七百人摄受等. |
| 953 | So this shift is happening very, very much. | 因此,这个转变正在发生,非常,非常。 |
| 954 | It's happening. | 发生了 |
| 955 | It has to happen quicker, but it's happening. | 它必须更快地发生,但它正在发生。 |
| 956 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 957 | Before that, I want to add one point from climate change perspective. | 在此之前,我想从气候变化的角度补充一点。 |
| 958 | Just now you mentioned | 你刚才提到 |
| 959 | about a lot of research. | 关于很多研究。 |
| 960 | No, there's only a lot of research on equal civilization from a philosophy | 不,从哲学上讲,对平等文明的研究不多 |
| 961 | side and a lot of research from climate change side about climate change. | 以及气候变化方面对气候变化的大量研究。 |
| 962 | So there's still | 所以还有 |
| 963 | like empty between these two fields. | 就像这两个田间空荡荡的 |
| 964 | So this is why I thank all the people in this room. | 因此,我感谢本会议室的所有人。 |
| 965 | We are the pioneer because we hear about this kind of message. | 我们是先驱,因为我们听到了这种信息。 |
| 966 | There is a connection between | 之间有联系 |
| 967 | climate change and equal civilization. | 气候变化与平等文明。 |
| 968 | I think even the Chinese government, although we highlight | 我认为即使是中国政府,虽然我们强调 |
| 969 | equal civilization so much, but I haven't seen any piece about the synergy between climate change | 但是,我还没有看到任何关于 气候变化之间的协同作用 |
| 970 | and equal civilization. | 和平等的文明。 |
| 971 | And then we highlight carbon neutrality, but no report analyzes the | 然后我们强调碳中性,但没有报告分析 |
| 972 | synergy between carbon neutrality and equal civilization. | 碳中和与平等文明之间的协同作用。 |
| 973 | But why I think it's so important. | 但是为什么我觉得这很重要 |
| 974 | See, when we talk about climate change, we always talk about the industrial revolution because at | 你看,当我们谈论气候变化时, 我们总是谈论工业革命,因为 |
| 975 | that moment we began to use the fossil fuel and then we polluted the earth. | 我们开始使用化石燃料,然后污染了地球。 |
| 976 | And now we think, | 现在我们想, |
| 977 | oh, it's dirty and we should move on and we find that renewable energy, right? | 哦,这是肮脏的,我们应该继续前进, 我们找到可再生能源,对不对? |
| 978 | But | 不过 |
| 979 | from the equal civilizations perspective, the fossil fuel also come from the earth, | 从平等文明的观点来看,化石燃料也来自地球, |
| 980 | the nature, and the renewable energy same. | 大自然和可再生能源都一样 |
| 981 | So it's not the force of nature. | 所以这不是自然的力量。 |
| 982 | It's because our human, | 因为我们的人, |
| 983 | we use too much. | 我们使用太多。 |
| 984 | We want too much from the nature. | 我们想要的太多 从自然。 |
| 985 | We use almost all the fossil fuel. | 我们几乎使用所有化石燃料。 |
| 986 | We have two. | 我们有两个 |
| 987 | Move on, find new energy. | 继续找新能量 |
| 988 | So the key point is about our mindset. | 所以关键在于我们的心态。 |
| 989 | It's not about just repeat, | 这不是仅仅重复, |
| 990 | oh, climate change is so important. | 哦,气候变化是如此重要。 |
| 991 | It's a challenge. | 这是一个挑战。 |
| 992 | It's about why. | 是为因缘. |
| 993 | Why we have this crisis? | 为什么我们有这个危机? |
| 994 | It's because our mindset was wrong. | 因为我们的心态是错误的 |
| 995 | We continue that, although there are some | 我们继续这样做,尽管有一些 |
| 996 | mistakes from the industry revolution, but we're still in the process of industrial civilization. | 工业革命的错误,但我们仍在工业文明的进程中. |
| 997 | So we should change our mind to the equal civilization, to really respect the nature, | 所以我们应该改变我们的想法 平等文明, 真正尊重大自然, |
| 998 | to reconnect with the earth. | 重新连接地球 |
| 999 | And only in this way we can really find the pathway to address | 只有这样,我们才能找到解决 |
| 1000 | climate change, to reach the carbon neutrality. | 实现碳中和。 |
| 1001 | And once we reach the carbon neutrality, | 一旦我们到达碳中性, |
| 1002 | it should be a milestone to reach the equal civilization. | 这将是实现平等文明的里程碑。 |
| 1003 | So should I raise my question? | 我应该提出我的问题吗? |
| 1004 | So about the Chinese philosophy of | 关于中国哲学 |
| 1005 | harmony or integration of heaven and people and human being. | 和谐或融合天与人与人. |
| 1006 | So my question is that I don't have | 所以我的问题就是 我没有 |
| 1007 | a very solid foundation or knowledge basis about philosophy or Chinese philosophy, but | 哲学或中国哲学的坚实基础或知识基础, |
| 1008 | I don't recall a lot of how much or what's the percentage of the | 我不记得多少或多少百分比 |
| 1009 | is about environment or ecology, conservation or environment protection. | 涉及环境或生态、保护或环境保护。 |
| 1010 | I only can think about the traditional Chinese people or Chinese traditional governments. | 我只能想中国传统人民或中国传统政府. |
| 1011 | They | 他们 |
| 1012 | are echoing a lot of architecture on the ground to some of the stars in the sky, | 地面上有很多建筑 与天空中的一些星星相呼应 |
| 1013 | or some of the emperors claim he is the son of the heaven or something like to | 或者有些皇帝宣称他是天之子或者类似的东西 |
| 1014 | give himself the authority to govern other people. | 赋予自己统治他人的权力. |
| 1015 | So beyond that, I don't recall a lot of | 所以除了这个,我不记得很多 |
| 1016 | sense of nature conservation or ecology conservation or environment protection, | 自然保护或生态保护或环境保护的意识, |
| 1017 | meaning in this concept of integration of human being and heaven. | 意思是人类和天堂的融合 |
| 1018 | So this is a question to ask | 所以这是个问题 |
| 1019 | the professors or to guide me on how to what are the main, for example, books or from which | 教授们,或者指导我 如何找到什么是主要的东西, 例如,书籍或从哪 |
| 1020 | philosophers that we have the kind of more environment or ecology kind of aspects of this | 哲学家认为我们有 更多的环境 或生态方面 |
| 1021 | concept. | 概念。 |
| 1022 | Yeah, another thing is just very quickly. | 是啊,还有一件事只是非常快。 |
| 1023 | Okay, if you look on our website for many, many | 好吧,如果你在我们的网站上看到 很多人 |
| 1024 | books, journals on this topic, but I want to say also here in China, there's a lot of publications | 关于这个话题的书籍,日记 但我想说,在中国,有很多出版物 |
| 1025 | on before the civilization on UA has papers in English. | 之前的文明 在UA有英文论文。 |
| 1026 | I'm not talking about modern or contemporary kind of this concept. | 我不是在说现代或当代的概念。 |
| 1027 | It's about ancient. | 论古今. |
| 1028 | I'm thinking of so the territory is not a concept of the modern or contemporary | 我想,所以领土不是现代或当代的概念 |
| 1029 | invention is I think you are talking about the ancient kind of concept from the ancient books. | 发明是,我认为你在谈论 古代书中的古老概念。 |
| 1030 | So I'm talking about like Qing or Ming or Qing or pre-Xianqing kind of that kind of era. | 故我所谓如清或明或清或咸清前之类,即此时代. |
| 1031 | What? | 你说什么? |
| 1032 | Yeah, yeah. | 对 对 |
| 1033 | So I think their concept is not necessarily about environment or ecology. | 所以我认为他们的概念 不一定是环境或生态学。 |
| 1034 | It's more about, you know, other kind of social aspect or something like political aspect. | 更多的是,你知道, 其他类型的社会方面 或诸如政治方面。 |
| 1035 | And I quite agree with his ideas about the Confucianism. | 我非常同意他关于儒学的观点. |
| 1036 | So today when we talk about | 所以今天,当我们谈论 |
| 1037 | positive source of Confucianism, we cannot forget that the Confucianism | 儒学的正源,我们不能忘记儒学 |
| 1038 | tried its best to justify the privilege of the ruling class. | 尽力为统治阶级的特权辩护. |
| 1039 | And recently, I'm impressed by | 最近我对 |
| 1040 | a book written by English historian of economy. | 一本由英国经济史学家撰写的书. |
| 1041 | His ideas may be | 他的想法也许是 |
| 1042 | too extreme. | 太极端了 |
| 1043 | He said that in the whole history of human mind, there is only one | 他说,在整个人类思想史上,只有一个 |
| 1044 | event that should be pay greater attention to. | 应该更加注意的事件。 |
| 1045 | That is the things happened in | 事情就是这样发生的 |
| 1046 | 1800. | 1800 (英语). |
| 1047 | Actually, he means that for the whole history of human mind, only the industrialization | 实际上,他的意思是 对于整个人类的心灵历史, 只有工业化 |
| 1048 | or the modernization is the most important thing. | 或者现代化是最重要的 |
| 1049 | Before that, all the | 在此之前,所有 |
| 1050 | ruled class or laborers were living the lives which are not different from | 被统治的阶级或工人的生活与 |
| 1051 | non-animals. | 非动物。 |
| 1052 | They are very, very poor. | 他们非常非常贫穷。 |
| 1053 | I remember this actually before 1978, | 我记得这个其实在1978年之前, |
| 1054 | many people in China lived very miserable lives. | 中国很多人过着悲惨的生活 |
| 1055 | So when we talk about the good ideas | 所以,当我们谈论好的想法 |
| 1056 | from Confucianism, we cannot forget that Confucianism is the ideology which | 从儒家主义来看,我们不能忘记儒家主义是 |
| 1057 | tried its best to justify the privilege of the ruling class. | 尽力为统治阶级的特权辩护. |
| 1058 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 1059 | I think you have made a good point on how we will reflect on the traditional | 我认为你对如何思考传统的 |
| 1060 | wisdom. | 智慧无边. |
| 1061 | And even this wisdom was not adopted by the ruling class in the past. | 而即使这种智慧在过去也没有被统治阶级采纳. |
| 1062 | So I think this is | 我想这是 |
| 1063 | about the poverty. | 关于贫困。 |
| 1064 | Poverty was the biggest damage to the environment. | 贫困是对环境的最大损害。 |
| 1065 | I remember when I was in the countryside, we cut down the trees because we don't have anything | 我记得我在乡下的时候 我们砍树是因为我们什么都没有 |
| 1066 | burning for the cooking and for the heating. | 烧饭和取暖 |
| 1067 | So we just cut down anything we could have found | 所以,我们只是削减任何 我们能找到的 |
| 1068 | in the middle of the 1970s. | 1970年代中叶. |
| 1069 | I remember how these newly developing countries, | 我记得这些新发展中国家, |
| 1070 | how hard it is for them to talk about ecological civilization when they were still in poverty. | 当他们仍然贫穷的时候,谈论生态文明对他们来说是多么困难。 |
| 1071 | I remember 10 years ago, I visited India. | 我记得十年前,我访问了印度。 |
| 1072 | At that time, the environmental problems were quite bad. | 当时的环境问题相当糟糕. |
| 1073 | When I went to India, I found it even worse. | 当我去印度时,我发现情况更糟。 |
| 1074 | Today, most of the poor cities in the world, | 今天,世界上大多数贫穷的城市 |
| 1075 | probably India would have quite some. | 也许印度会有很多。 |
| 1076 | But then, did they not understand that this would | 但是,他们难道不明白,这将会 |
| 1077 | damage to their health, damage to their land, damage to the climate? | 损害他们的健康,破坏他们的土地,破坏气候? |
| 1078 | Yes, I'm sure they are | 是的,我相信他们是 |
| 1079 | aware about this. | 了解这一点。 |
| 1080 | But they can't stop. | 但他们不能停止。 |
| 1081 | Just as I said at the beginning of my talking, | 正如我在说话开始时所说, |
| 1082 | 30 years ago, I said China would not repeat these environmental disasters. | 三十年前,我说过,中国不会重复这些环境灾难。 |
| 1083 | But actually, China | 但实际上,中国 |
| 1084 | did have the environmental disasters until the recent past. | 环境灾难一直持续到最近 |
| 1085 | So back to these questions, | 回到这些问题上 |
| 1086 | and these gentlemen talk about what kind of resources we could get from the confusion. | 这些先生们谈论了我们能从混乱中获得什么样的资源。 |
| 1087 | I think we do have these kind of good resources. | 我认为我们确实有这样的好资源。 |
| 1088 | Even these resources were not put in good use, | 即使这些资源也没有得到很好的利用, |
| 1089 | but today we could pick them up. | 但是今天我们可以去接他们 |
| 1090 | For example, in the mentions, they talk about the | 例如,在提及中,他们谈到 |
| 1091 | to be benevolent to the people and to take care of the old things. | 以孝顺百姓,抚恤旧物. |
| 1092 | And also in the mentions, | 而且在提到, |
| 1093 | they talk about how we should follow the natural way to give these | 他们谈论我们应该如何 遵循自然的方式给予这些 |
| 1094 | plants and give these kind of different animals and fish and their own due in the world. | 给这些不同的动物和鱼 和它们自己在世界上应得的。 |
| 1095 | And also in Dongzhongshu, they talk about tian ren gan yin. | 而在东中书省,他们也谈论过铁仁甘阳. |
| 1096 | So this means what you did in the | 所以,这意味着你做了什么在 |
| 1097 | world. | 这个世界 |
| 1098 | Tian would know about this. | 天会知道的 |
| 1099 | They would respond to what you did. | 他们会回应你的行为 |
| 1100 | So all these kind of | 所以,所有这些类型 |
| 1101 | things, even they were not put into practice in some kind of environmental friendly policies, | 即使是在某种环境友好政策中也没有付诸实施, |
| 1102 | but today we probably could use them to try to see what we could develop into a more | 但今天我们也许可以利用他们 试着看看我们能发展成什么 |
| 1103 | kind of environmental, civilized policies, cultures, and minds. | 一种环境、文明政策、文化和思想。 |
| 1104 | On the one hand, we needed to change this environment, because this environment has been | 一方面,我们需要改变这种环境,因为这种环境一直是 |
| 1105 | unproven. | 未证. |
| 1106 | We needed to give better protection. | 我们需要提供更好的保护。 |
| 1107 | But on the other hand, we needed to change our | 但另一方面,我们需要改变 |
| 1108 | mind. | 头脑。 |
| 1109 | Because all of us want to be rich, so dearly. | 因为我们都想发财,所以... |
| 1110 | And then we have to think about what costs | 然后,我们必须思考 成本 |
| 1111 | this would bring to us. | 这将给我们带来。 |
| 1112 | So for everything we threw out, this would be part of the pollution, | 因此,对于我们抛出的一切, 这是污染的一部分, |
| 1113 | and we recreated this. | 我们重新创造了这个。 |
| 1114 | Because today we need to really think about what we can do, | 因为今天我们需要真正思考 我们可以做什么, |
| 1115 | and what we can do together, and what this whole country can do together, and the whole world. | 以及我们能一起做的事 以及整个国家能一起做的事 还有整个世界 |
| 1116 | So only this way, and this is the world we will be, as the ATE | 所以只有这样,这就是我们的世界,就像ATE |
| 1117 | was, or they used to be as beautiful as before. | 曾经是,或者他们曾经像以前一样美丽。 |
| 1118 | So just very quickly, of course, Confucianism has a negative side. | 所以只要很快,当然,儒家主义有消极的一面. |
| 1119 | Confucianism is authoritarian. | 儒学专制. |
| 1120 | We've seen it throughout its history. | 我们从历史上就看到过 |
| 1121 | No question. | 没问题 |
| 1122 | Our perspective, and I should have made it much | 我们的观点,我应该做很多 |
| 1123 | clearer at the beginning, is every tradition has its negative side, its controlling side, | 一开始更清楚的是 每一个传统都有它的消极面 控制面 |
| 1124 | its orthodox side. | 它正统的一面。 |
| 1125 | We know that. | 我们知道这一点。 |
| 1126 | So what we say in the Harvard Project until now, | 所以我们在哈佛项目里说过的话 |
| 1127 | religions, philosophies have their problems historically and in the present, and they have | 宗教、哲学在历史上和现在都存在问题, |
| 1128 | promise, their possibility of change. | 承诺,他们可能改变。 |
| 1129 | Christianity is very orthodox, terrible institutional abuses | 基督教是非常正统的 可怕的制度性虐待 |
| 1130 | historically and at present. | 历史和现在。 |
| 1131 | But liberation theology in Latin America has given great hope | 但拉丁美洲的解放神学给了人们很大的希望 |
| 1132 | to the poor, and for transformation, for hope, for liberation. | 给穷人,和转型,希望,解放。 |
| 1133 | So women's issues. | 所以女人的问题。 |
| 1134 | Every religion | 每个宗教 |
| 1135 | has had women in their place. | 有女人代替她们 |
| 1136 | No question. | 没问题 |
| 1137 | So I think this is a really important point. | 所以我认为这是一个非常重要的问题。 |
| 1138 | I think what Professor Yao is saying is an important reply as well. | 我认为,姚教授所说的也是一个重要的答案。 |
| 1139 | So we can't be naive. | 所以我们不能天真 |
| 1140 | We certainly can't be naive because all these traditions are still being used | 我们当然不能天真 因为所有这些传统都还在使用 |
| 1141 | for ideology and control. | 意识形态与控制。 |
| 1142 | There's no question. | 无问. |
| 1143 | I also want to add one point. | 我还要补充一点。 |
| 1144 | Before I visited you, I definitely agree with Professor Lu because in our China contest, | 在我拜访你之前 我完全同意鲁教授的意见 因为在中国的比赛中 |
| 1145 | especially current contest, most of the time we highlight the negative side of Confucianism. | 尤其是目前的竞争,多数时候我们强调儒家主义的消极面. |
| 1146 | So before I get a connection with Mary and Professor Du Weimei, I have the same idea. | 所以在我和玛丽和杜维梅教授联系上之前 我有同样的想法 |
| 1147 | No, there are not any positive points in our traditional culture maybe. | 不,我们的传统文化可能没有任何积极的方面。 |
| 1148 | And even the | 甚至连 |
| 1149 | Zhongyi Chinese medicine, because a lot of liars. | 忠义中药,因多谬. |
| 1150 | But when I met you and you also show me | 但当我遇见你 你也给我看 |
| 1151 | Professor Du Weimei's book, you helped me to realize my reflection in that, as you mentioned, | Du Weimei教授的书 你帮助我意识到我的反射 正如你提到的 |
| 1152 | different period of culture. | 不同的文化时期。 |
| 1153 | They have their own problem, but there are also some wisdom. | 他们有自己的问题,但也有一些智慧。 |
| 1154 | What you are doing is try to pick up the wisdom. | 你正在做的是尝试取出智慧。 |
| 1155 | And as Gao mentioned, we should keep | 正如高高提到,我们应该保持 |
| 1156 | like inclusive mind and be the creator and innovator to co-create our future, the new | 成为创造者和创新者 共同创造我们的未来,新的 |
| 1157 | civilization, but not only repeat the old. | 不仅重蹈覆辙 |
| 1158 | We should build on the old, but create new. | 我们应该建立在旧的,但创造新的。 |
| 1159 | And in this process of co-creation, all these different traditions, whether it is | 在这个共同创作的过程中,所有这些不同的传统,无论是 |
| 1160 | called culture or religion or tradition, they contain both negative sides, positive sides, | 所谓文化、宗教或传统,包含消极的两面,积极的两面, |
| 1161 | and even within a single tradition, it is not homogeneous. | 即使在单一的传统中,它也并非一成不变。 |
| 1162 | Different people might have very | 不同的人可能会非常 |
| 1163 | different ideas, but they are what anthropologists call cultural repertoires. | 不同的想法, 但它们是人类学家所谓的 文化循环。 |
| 1164 | They are the source of | 它们是 |
| 1165 | aspiration, a source of different ideas, different tools where we can learn from this different | 愿望 不同想法的来源 不同工具 我们能从中学习 |
| 1166 | source to reflect on the mainstream ideas and think about the alternatives. | 来源来反思主流思想,思考其他选择. |
| 1167 | Are there different ways of thinking about ourselves? | 对自己有不同的思考方式吗? |
| 1168 | What kind of life do we want? | 我们想要什么样的生活? |
| 1169 | What is | 这是什么 |
| 1170 | success? | 成功吗? |
| 1171 | Do you feel happy today? | 你今天高兴吗? |
| 1172 | Is there another way of seeing the world? | 还有别的办法能看见世界吗? |
| 1173 | Is there | 有没有 |
| 1174 | another alternative way of development? | 另一种发展方式? |
| 1175 | These traditions contain these kinds of resources | 这些传统包含着这种资源 |
| 1176 | for us to reflect on our current status and think about our future. | 让我们思考我们的现状,思考我们的未来。 |
| 1177 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 1178 | I noticed one hand there. | 我发现一只手在那里。 |
| 1179 | 宋Q. | |
| 1180 | My question was partially answered, I felt like, by the discussion just now, | 刚才的讨论部分回答了我的问题 |
| 1181 | because I was curious about the World Religion Ecology Project, because all of these religions | 因为我好奇世界宗教生态项目 因为所有这些宗教 |
| 1182 | have such different approaches and worldview. | 有着如此不同的方法和世界观。 |
| 1183 | And right now in the world, we have at least two wars | 现在,在世界上,我们至少有两次战争 |
| 1184 | going on because of different ideology and different belief system and different narratives of | 不同的意识形态和不同的信仰体系 以及不同的叙事 |
| 1185 | civilization. | 人类文明 |
| 1186 | And so I'm curious, my initial question was to all of you who are interdisciplinary | 所以我好奇,我的第一个问题 是对你们所有跨学科的人 |
| 1187 | weavers or thinkers, what is the beginning to actually, first, some shared principle | 编织者或思想家, 什么是实际的开始, 首先,一些共同的原则 |
| 1188 | to move from division to understanding and harmony, right? | 从分裂走向理解与和谐,对不对? |
| 1189 | Harmony is such an important | 和谐是如此重要 |
| 1190 | traditional Chinese thought. | 中国传统思想. |
| 1191 | And even sometimes when harmony was overlooked, when harmony is | 甚至有时,当和谐被忽略, 当和谐是 |
| 1192 | wishy washy or it's not clearly stating your perspective. | 许愿还是没说清楚你的观点 |
| 1193 | Last year at COP 28 in Dubai, | 去年在迪拜举行的第28届缔约方会议上, |
| 1194 | there was a first ever faith pavilion where faith leaders could gather. | 有一个信仰展馆 信仰领袖可以聚集。 |
| 1195 | And it was such a shock to | 实在是太震惊了 |
| 1196 | me that after 28 years of talking about climate change, we haven't invited and made a space for | 在谈论气候变化28年之后 我们没有邀请和创造空间 |
| 1197 | faith leaders. | 信仰领袖。 |
| 1198 | And possibly also because faith has had made a difficult position in this whole | 也可能是因为信仰在这件事情中 造成了困难 |
| 1199 | discussion, because climate change is about science, it's about law, it's about governance. | 讨论,因为气候变化与科学有关,与法律有关,与治理有关. |
| 1200 | Yeah, so my question was about how do we move from division to harmony. | 所以,我的问题是 我们如何从组织走向和谐。 |
| 1201 | And I felt like that | 我觉得 |
| 1202 | discussion just now kind of started to talk about it. | 刚刚开始讨论这个问题。 |
| 1203 | That's why I felt like, you know, | 这就是为什么我觉得,你知道, |
| 1204 | I already got a lot out of it. | 我已经得到了很多了。 |
| 1205 | Thanks. | 谢谢 |
| 1206 | I have a lot of funds. | 我有很多钱 |
| 1207 | Before the Dubai inter-religious meeting, it was led by the Muslim world. | 在迪拜宗教间会议之前,它由穆斯林世界领导. |
| 1208 | It had very high | 已经很高了 |
| 1209 | representation from all over the world. | 来自世界各地的代表。 |
| 1210 | And there's now with the United Nations Environment | 现在还有联合国环境 |
| 1211 | Program, Faith for Earth. | 计划,信仰地球。 |
| 1212 | And that's been maybe six years. | 这大概已经六年了 |
| 1213 | So it's taken a long time because | 所以它花了很长时间 因为 |
| 1214 | religions have their problems and their negative side. | 宗教有其问题和消极的一面。 |
| 1215 | No question. | 没问题 |
| 1216 | But where are we going to get | 但是我们要去哪里 |
| 1217 | values pertained? | 数值 ? |
| 1218 | That's the point. | 这就是重点。 |
| 1219 | We can't ignore them. | 我们不能忽视他们。 |
| 1220 | And we've got to keep changing, | 我们必须不断改变, |
| 1221 | encouraging for more positive ways forward. | 鼓励采取更加积极的前进道路。 |
| 1222 | But I agree, these wars are horrible. | 但我同意,这些战争是可怕的。 |
| 1223 | And the U.S. | 还有美国 |
| 1224 | involvement in them is very regrettable. | 参与这些活动是非常令人遗憾的。 |
| 1225 | Let's just say, if we change military spending in the U.S., | 假设我们改变美国的军事开支 |
| 1226 | incredible changes could happen. | 可能发生不可思议的变化。 |
| 1227 | Lots more to say about that. | 还有很多话要说 |
| 1228 | So I think it's time. | 我想是时候了 |
| 1229 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1230 | Thank you, Joe. | 谢谢你 乔 |
| 1231 | Good timekeeper. | 好守时. |
| 1232 | So it's a time for us to | 所以,这是我们的时间 |
| 1233 | stop here. | 停车 |
| 1234 | And I know you still have a lot of questions. | 我知道你还有很多问题 |
| 1235 | So how can we keep | 所以,我们如何保持 |
| 1236 | connections? | 连接? |
| 1237 | This? | 这个? |
| 1238 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1239 | Oh, yes. | 对 |
| 1240 | We are talking about to set up a new project, | 我们正在讨论建立一个新的项目, |
| 1241 | Climate and Culture in Peking University. | 北京大学气候与文化. |
| 1242 | So hopefully we can continue this conversation | 希望我们能继续谈话 |
| 1243 | there. | 这里 |
| 1244 | And also, please scan the QR here and follow us. | 还有,请扫描这里的QR,并跟着我们。 |
| 1245 | And you are welcome to join us in | 欢迎你加入我们 |
| 1246 | the future. | 未来 |
| 1247 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 1248 | Thanks for coming. | 谢谢你能来 |
| 1249 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1250 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 1251 | Thank you so much to host us here. | 非常感谢你在这里接待我们 |
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