新任联合国驻华协调员常启德，携手中国学者薛澜、高志凯，聊了聊

新任联合国驻华协调员常启德，携手中国学者薛澜、高志凯，聊了聊如何推动多边合作

发布于 2021-05-21 · 时长 1:33:54

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时间	英文	中文
0:04	Good evening everyone and welcome to the Yale Center of Beijing, Yale University's home	大家晚上好欢迎来到耶鲁大学北京耶鲁中心
0:10	here in China.	在中国
0:12	I'm Carol Lee Rafferty, the managing director of the center and also a Yale College	我是卡罗尔·李·拉费蒂中心总经理还有耶鲁大学
0:18	alumna.	校友们
0:20	Today for the benefit of some of our new distinguished guests and now also some of our new	今天,为了我们的一些新贵宾,现在也为了我们的一些新贵宾,
0:25	admitted students at Yale College.	耶鲁学院招生.
0:28	I think you're sitting together, I'm not sure.	我想你们坐在一起,我不确定
0:30	Yay!	赞!
0:33	I'm going to give a quick introduction about what the center is about.	我要简短地介绍一下中心是什么
0:37	So founded in 2014,	故于2014年创立.

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序号	英文	中文
1	Good evening everyone and welcome to the Yale Center of Beijing, Yale University's home	大家晚上好欢迎来到耶鲁大学北京耶鲁中心
2	here in China.	在中国
3	I'm Carol Lee Rafferty, the managing director of the center and also a Yale College	我是卡罗尔·李·拉费蒂中心总经理还有耶鲁大学
4	alumna.	校友们
5	Today for the benefit of some of our new distinguished guests and now also some of our new	今天,为了我们的一些新贵宾,现在也为了我们的一些新贵宾,
6	admitted students at Yale College.	耶鲁学院招生.
7	I think you're sitting together, I'm not sure.	我想你们坐在一起,我不确定
8	Yay!	赞!
9	I'm going to give a quick introduction about what the center is about.	我要简短地介绍一下中心是什么
10	So founded in 2014,	故于2014年创立.
11	the Yale Center of Beijing is actually Yale University's first and only university-wide	北京的耶鲁中心其实是耶鲁大学的第一个也是唯一的全大学
12	center outside of the U.S. representing all of its 14 schools.	代表美国所有14所学校
13	So in a way it's a little bit like	所以,在某种程度上,它有点像
14	Yale University's embassy in China and throughout the year since 2014 we've held hundreds of events	耶鲁大学驻华大使馆 2014年起全年举办数百场活动.
15	convening leaders from academia, business, government, arts and sciences for important	召集学术界、商界、政府、艺术界和科学界的领导人
16	conversations on the most important and pressing topics in the world.	就世界上最重要和最紧迫的主题进行对话。
17	And tonight we're very	今晚我们非常
18	delighted to convene this conversation on forming partnerships and pushing for multilateralism	很高兴召集这次关于建立伙伴关系和推动多边主义的对话
19	and collaboration with our distinguished guests.	并配合我们的贵宾。
20	We have Ambassador Siddhartha Chatterjee,	我们有西达莎·查特吉大使
21	the United Nations resident coordinator in China.	联合国中国驻地协调员。
22	We have Dean Shirlun from the Schwarzman College	施瓦兹曼学院的希伦院长
23	of Tsinghua University and we have Dr. Victor Gao who is the chairman of the Yale Law School	清华大学的Victor Gao博士是耶鲁法学院的院长
24	Association in China and of course our moderator, former anchor of CCTV's international	在中国的协会,当然还有我们的主持人, CCTV前国际主播
25	(原始内容存档于2018-09-29). Network, CGTM.
26	Tonight we're very happy to be collaborating on organizing this event	今晚我们很高兴合作组织这次活动
27	with the Yale Club of Beijing, our local alumni association, the Princeton Alumni Association of Beijing	与北京耶鲁俱乐部,我们的当地校友会,北京普林斯顿校友会合作
28	and the ambassador with his tie and the Harvard and Harvard Kennedy School Clubs of Beijing.	和领带的大使以及哈佛和哈佛肯尼迪学校俱乐部北京。
29	Yay!	赞!
30	See we're very open platform here, we welcome all of you.	看到我们非常开放的平台在这里, 我们欢迎你们所有人。
31	And I'm going to give a brief introduction of all of our distinguished guests as well.	我将简短地介绍一下我们所有的贵宾
32	So Ambassador Siddhartha Chatterjee, he was recently appointed as the United Nations	因此,西达塔·查特吉大使最近被任命为联合国
33	resident coordinator in China and presented his credentials to President Xi at the Great	向习近平主席递交全权证书
34	Hall of the People very recently.	人民大会堂最近。
35	He is, well as a resident coordinator, he is the highest	作为驻地协调员,他是最高的
36	ranking official in the United Development Program, United Nations Development Program,	在联合国开发计划署、联合国开发计划署、
37	as well as the highest ranking representative of the UN Secretary General in the country	以及联合国秘书长在该国的最高级别代表
38	and reports to the UN Secretary General.	并向联合国秘书长报告。
39	In the past 25 years he's been a senior diplomat	过去25年他是资深外交官
40	at the United Nations, at the Red Cross Movement and he is a three-time TED Talk speaker as well	在联合国,在红十字运动中,他也是三次TED演讲演讲者
41	as a regular contributor to renowned international and Chinese publications.	作为知名国际和中国出版物的经常贡献者.
42	He is a graduate, he has	他是一个毕业生,他
43	a master's degree in public policy from Princeton University as well as a bachelor's degree from	普林斯顿大学公共政策硕士学位和
44	the National Defense Academy of India.	印度国防学院。
45	So let's welcome him.	让我们欢迎他。
46	今天我们还有清华大学Schwarzman学院的Sherlan院长
47	which is also a very close friend with Yale University in many ways.	他在许多方面也是耶鲁大学的亲密朋友。
48	Dean Sherlan was before	谢伦院长以前是
49	his role at Schwarzman College a distinguished professor and dean at the Tsinghua School of	他在施瓦兹曼学院的角色是清华学院杰出教授兼院长
50	Public Policy and Management.	公共政策和管理。
51	He was instrumental in launching the school and in propelling the	他对学校的启动和推动
52	school into a top-ranking public policy program in the region.	学校成为本区域最高级的公共政策方案。
53	He also acts as a senior advisor	他还担任高级顾问
54	to the government of China, the State Council, to distinguished institutions such as the Harvard	致中国政府,国务院,哈佛大学等杰出机构
55	Kennedy School and he also 曾担任布鲁金斯研究所的非常驻研究员,并正在
56	United Nations University Council as well as the Leadership Council of the United Nations Sustainable	联合国大学理事会和联合国可持续
57	Development Network.	发展网.
58	Thank you.	谢谢
59	Let's welcome him.	让我们欢迎他。
60	And we have Dr. Victor Cao from Yale University.	还有耶鲁大学的曹维克多博士
61	He has two degrees from Yale, a degree from Yale	他有两个学位耶鲁,一个学位耶鲁
62	Law School and a master's in politics, political science from the Yale Graduate School of Arts and	法学院和耶鲁大学文学院政治学硕士
63	Sciences.	科学.
64	He was a high-ranking official with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and served as	曾任外交部高级官员,
65	the English interpreter for the late Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping.	中国已故领导人邓小平的英文译员.
66	He has been a leader in	他是一个领导者
67	many corporations in investment banking and private equity and he's a frequent contributor	许多投资银行和私人股权的公司他经常出钱
68	and commentator on international and Chinese media.	国际及中国媒体评论员.
69	So let's welcome him as well.	那就欢迎他吧
70	And today we're delighted to have our moderator, Mr. Ray Yang, with us.	今天,我们很高兴我们的主持人,雷·杨先生与我们在一起。
71	He is not new to the center	他不是新来的中央
72	as he has moderated a number of events here both as a CGTN anchor as well as now as founder and CEO	作为CGTN的主播以及创始人兼首席执行官他主持过很多活动
73	of his company, international media company Smart East.	他的公司, 国际媒体公司Smart East。
74	So I'm just going to tell everyone about	所以我要告诉大家
75	the format of tonight.	今晚的形式。
76	We're going to have a one-hour long, approximately one-hour long	我们将有一个小时长,大约一个小时长
77	panel discussion and then we'll open up the floor to Q&A.	小组讨论然后我们把地板打开给QQA.
78	So without further ado, let's	所以,不做进一步的,让我们
79	welcome all of our distinguished guests and start the discussion.	欢迎所有贵宾并开始讨论。
80	Thank you very much.	谢谢
81	Thank you, Carol, for the nice introduction.	谢谢你,卡罗尔,很好的介绍。
82	Very substantial and informative.	内容丰富,内容丰富。
83	Quite honored.	非常荣幸
84	Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.	晚上好女士们先生们
85	It's a big honor for me to be invited to host this	我很荣幸能受邀主持这个会
86	meaningful dialogue at the Yeo Beijing Center on Groupalization and Multilateralism.	北京集团化和多边主义中心进行有意义的对话。
87	The dynamics	动态
88	of globalization is based on clarity of rules and our understanding about it.	全球化的基础是规则的明确性和我们对它的理解。
89	A beneficiary	受益人
90	of the old world order, China says, however, it respects the authority of the United Nations	但中国说,中国尊重联合国的权威
91	and multilateralism.	和多边主义。
92	But how should we interpret a fair play and good execution of the rules	但是,我们如何解释公平游戏和良好的执行规则
93	really depends on whether or how much we share the same mistakes in the commonwealth	真正取决于我们是否或多少共同在联邦的错误
94	co-prosperity.	共为增益.
95	We all care about terms that may best serve our national interests.	我们都关心最符合我们国家利益的条款。
96	Enduring challenges do arise under the global impact of protectionism, populism, and	保护主义、民粹主义和
97	unilateralism in recent years.	近年来的单边主义。
98	The vibrancy of digital technology in the global supply chain	数字技术在全球供应链中的活力
99	has complicated the old roadmap.	使旧路线图变得复杂。
100	What was taken for granted is called into question as we see	正如我们所看到的那样,什么被认为是理所当然的受到质疑。
101	acquired a shift of wealth and influence from a skeptical west to a confident east.	获得了财富和影响力的转变,从怀疑的西方转向自信的东方.
102	Emerging markets or G20 promise to replace the old regime of G7.	新兴市场或20国集团承诺取代7国集团的旧制度。
103	Politicians and policymakers	政治家和决策者
104	start to redefine rules of the game.	开始重新定义游戏规则.
105	We need to have a convincing world leadership, but its	我们需要一个令人信服的世界领导者,但是,
106	credibility becomes a huge given.	信誉变得巨大。
107	How do we define multilateralism based on the functions	我们如何根据职能界定多边主义
108	of the United Nations and how should a rising second biggest economy and other catch-up ones	第二大经济体和其他赶超经济体应如何应对
109	fit into this framework?	是否适合这一框架?
110	Is the vaccines of COVID-19 a blessing or an obstacle for a free	COVID-19疫苗是免费的祝福还是障碍?
111	flow of capital, human resources, and technology?	资金流动、人力资源和技术?
112	Today we are pleased to have this panel.	今天,我们很高兴有这个小组。
113	Now first of all, let me say a few things about Sid, a distinguished speaker sitting next to me.	现在,首先,让我谈谈坐在我旁边的一位杰出的发言者希德。
114	I was able to interview three of your heads, the former UN chiefs, Dr. Pujus Pujuskali,	我采访了你们三个头目前联合国酋长普朱斯·普朱斯卡利博士
115	Mr. Kovyan and Mr. Ban Ki-moon.	科维扬先生和潘基文先生。
116	I did interviews with them on the reform of the United Nations	我采访了他们关于联合国改革的谈话
117	and of course what China can do to help such reform which remains a very controversial process.	当然,中国可以做些什么来帮助这种改革,这仍然是一个非常有争议的进程。
118	Today, however, multilateralism as one of the landmark questions we face today	然而,今天,多边主义作为我们今天面临的里程碑问题之一
119	needs to be addressed by you to start with.	需要您首先解决。
120	So we all expect him to give a 10-minute	所以我们都期望他给10分钟
121	open speech.	公开演讲。
122	Thank you.	谢谢
123	You might not stand up.	你可能不站起来。
124	Well, good evening ladies and gentlemen, and first of all,	晚上好女士们先生们首先
125	thank you very much for coming.	谢谢你能来
126	It's truly an honor to be together with such an illustrious	和这么杰出的人在一起真是荣幸
127	gathering, not only of formidable panelists, but all of you, because all of you kind of represent	因为你们都代表着
128	the link to multilateralism.	与多边主义的联系。
129	You're the voice of multilateralism.	你是多边主义的声音。
130	So back in 1945,	1945年时
131	when the charter of the UN was being signed, the first person to sign it was the Chinese	在签署《联合国宪章》时,第一个签署《宪章》的人是中国人。
132	representative in San Francisco.	在旧金山的代表。
133	So the vision of President Truman then with that charter was to	所以杜鲁门总统当时的愿景是
134	make sure that the United Nations becomes a bridge, a bridge to social interaction, a bridge to	确保联合国成为一座桥梁、通往社会互动的桥梁、通往
135	humanity.	人类
136	It allows for the firmament of people, dynamics, social cohesion, all coming together.	它使人、动力、社会凝聚力得以凝聚。
137	Because we've been through two major wars and coming out of those major wars was deep suffering.	因为我们经历了两次大战并且从那些大战中出来痛苦深重
138	The economies of Europe were completely wrecked.	欧洲的经济被彻底摧毁。
139	Countries that were under colonial rules were	在殖民统治下的国家
140	forced to get into this fight which was not their own.	被迫进入这场不是他们自己的战斗。
141	So there was many things that happened that	所以发生了很多事情
142	ensured that there was a vision that the United States had.	确保美国有远见。
143	So on that count, let me start by	这么说吧,让我先说
144	commending one of the founders of the school I attended, formerly known as the Woodrow Wilson	赞扬我所就读的学校的创始人之一,原名伍德罗·威尔逊
145	School for Public and International Affairs, was Woodrow Wilson himself, who had that articulation	公共和国际事务学校是伍德罗·威尔逊本人,他有这样的表述:
146	and that vision.	和那个视觉。
147	It's that as the world has come out of the Cold War chapter, there was a time of	随着世界从冷战的一章中走出来,
148	great rebalancing, there was a time of great integration, and we suddenly saw that here in	伟大的再平衡,有一个伟大的融合时期, 我们突然看到在这里
149	this country where I stand, in 1979, where the per capita GDP was $180, that transformation,	1979年,我国的人均国内生产总值为180美元。
150	that great leap in four decades, challenges the orthodoxy of economics.	40年来的伟大飞跃挑战着经济学的正统性
151	It puts a lot of the	这里面有很多
152	economic perspectives on its head.	经济观点在它的头上。
153	It rearranges the ecosystem of the way we think about global	它重新安排了我们看待全球的生态系统
154	growth, about development of inclusive growth.	增长,指包容性增长的发展.
155	And when I look at the last seven years, we've	当我看着过去的七年,我们
156	seen an exponential rise of China in lifting over 19 million people out of poverty.	中国使1,900多万人摆脱贫困的指数上升。
157	There is something	有东西
158	that shows about the network of what we started in 1979 was what I would term as the three V's,	显示我们1979年开始的网络也就是我所说的三V
159	and that is political will, the right public policies, and the right partnerships that	这是政治意愿、正确的公共政策和正确的伙伴关系,
160	but that is precisely what multilateralism is all about.	但这正是多边主义的目的所在。
161	It is about the political will	这是关于政治意愿
162	of nation-states.	国家。
163	It is about the public policies of nation-states, and it is about the kind of	它涉及民族国家的公共政策,它涉及
164	partnership.	伙伴关系。
165	So I believe the last 10 years was a period of great challenges, incredible challenges.	因此,我认为,过去十年是一个充满巨大挑战、令人难以置信的挑战的时期。
166	We came out of the Millennium Development Goals in 2016 and started on the journey of the	我们于2016年从千年发展目标中走出来,开始踏上
167	Sustainable Development Goals.	可持续发展目标。
168	And today we are in a race to achieve the SDGs, which is by 2030.	今天,我们正竞相争取到2030年实现可持续发展目标。
169	That race will not be won unless everybody's got a state in that game.	除非比赛中每个人都有状态否则比赛是不会赢的
170	That race has to be inclusive	比赛必须包容一切
171	because the very principle of the Sustainable Development Goals is about giving more money.	因为可持续发展目标的根本原则是给予更多的资金。
172	But what COVID-19 did was it struck the world like a vote of lightning.	但COVID-19所做的是,它像闪电般触动世界.
173	And in 2020,	而在2020年,
174	we saw the contours of inequality emerge between the most developed and the most underdeveloped,	我们看到最发达和最不发达之间出现了不平等的轮廓,
175	between countries within countries, whether it was gender inequality being even more wider or was it	国家内部国家之间的不平等问题,是否更为广泛或是否
176	about economic and social aspects even more widely.	关于经济和社会方面的内容更为广泛。
177	If you look at the studies of Angus	如果你看看安格斯的学习
178	Deaton and Anne Case of Princeton University of the way the economic juggernaut of many nation-states	普林斯顿大学的Deaton和Anne 案例,许多民族国家的经济模式
179	have seen over the last 40 years, a relative decline.	在过去的40年里,出现了相对的下降。
180	And economics has an impact on the way	经济学对路有影响
181	politics means.	政治意味着。
182	And they've seen that all across the world.	他们在全世界都看到了
183	So you've seen a shift in the last 10	所以,你看到一个转变在过去10
184	years towards more unilateralism, more nationalism, more protection, which brings what the United	走向更多单边主义、民族主义、更多保护,
185	Nations Secretary-General is trying to do.	联合国秘书长正在努力这样做。
186	And I take the point of Mr. Yu Yang when he talks about	余阳先生说到这里,我以他为重
187	three Secretary-General's that he interviewed, and they were all trying to make sure that they	他采访了三个秘书长他们都试图确保他们
188	reform the UN.	改革联合国。
189	The UN is no easy task.	联合国并非易事。
190	It needs three C's to go with it.	它需要三个C来进行。
191	Huge amounts of courage,	巨大的勇气,
192	huge amounts of conviction, and huge amounts of revenge.	巨大的信念和巨大的复仇
193	Because when, you know, it was	因为,当,你知道,它是
194	Shakespeare who said that empires will not suffer an emptiness of purpose at the time of their	莎士比亚说,帝国不会遭受空虚的目的的时候,他们
195	creation.	创建。
196	It is not once they get created and established do they get replaced by being ritualed.	一旦他们被创造和确立,他们就会被仪式取代。
197	And we ended up getting ritualized.	最后我们得到了仪式。
198	And each agency funded program dealing on its own,	每个机构都资助了独立交易的方案
199	on a particular agenda.	在某一具体议程中。
200	But what the Secretary-General, the incoming Secretary-General did	但秘书长、新任秘书长所做的
201	was he made it a part of his secretary-generation.	他把它作为他一代秘书的一部分。
202	He ran for elections on that.	他参加竞选
203	And many countries	很多国家
204	So what he is trying to do is to make sure, because the UN itself is at an inflection,	因此,他试图做的是确保, 因为联合国本身处于一个失败,
205	we can either be dynamic or we can be dinosaurs.	我们要么是动态的要么是恐龙
206	We could actually be in the National Museum too.	我们也可以去国家博物馆
207	But the dynamism means that we have to be, first of all, fit for purpose.	但活力意味着,我们首先必须适合目的。
208	And fit for purpose means	并适合目的手段
209	in every way, including intellectually, of the political capital that we are able to invest.	我们有能力投资的政治资本,包括智力上的政治资本。
210	Fit for purpose is when a member state, whether it's China or it's Niger, says, yes, this is the UN	适合目的的是当一个成员国,无论是中国还是尼日尔,说,是的,这是联合国
211	that they want.	他们想要的。
212	This is the UN that they aspire for.	这是他们渴望的联合国。
213	This is the UN that they want, believe that	这是他们想要的联合国,相信
214	will walk with the country into the next decade of action, into its next decade of development,	将与该国一起走进下一个行动十年,进入下一个发展十年,
215	into that vision of 2030.	2030年的愿景。
216	The second is the UN that delivers this one, that chapter of UNICEF	第二,联合国提供儿童基金会的这一章。
217	doing something, UNDP doing something, UNFPH doing something, is over because those kinds of	做一些事情,开发署做一些事情, 基金会做一些事情,
218	resources will no longer be available.	资源将不复存在。
219	Every country is hurting as a result of the COVID pandemic.	每个国家因COVID流行病而受到伤害。
220	I mean, we are looking at an economic crisis that rivals the Great Depression.	我的意思是,我们正在研究一场经济危机,它与大萧条相对应。
221	So what does this mean for the UN?	这对联合国意味着什么?
222	It means that the UN has to reinvigorate and revitalize itself,	这意味着联合国必须重振和振兴自身,
223	which is what the Secretary-General said.	这是秘书长所说的。
224	And the third problem is to make sure that we leave no	第三个问题是要确保我们不离开
225	reality.	现实
226	And which means leaving no country, no state, no community, no people behind because	这意味着没有国家没有国家没有社区没有人民
227	what we saw is when communities were left behind, whether it was a pandemic or it was a natural	我们所看到的是,当社区被抛在后面, 无论它是流行病还是自然的
228	disaster, it spreads and it has its seasonal borders.	灾难,它蔓延并有它的季节性边界。
229	So we have an opportunity to again	所以我们有机会再来一次
230	reinvent the UN in a very different way.	以非常不同的方式革新联合国。
231	And this is what precisely China's talking about.	这就是中国说的
232	It's a resurrection, the renaissance of the United Nations.	这是一个复活, 联合国的复兴。
233	It's like the renaissance of	这就像复兴
234	the Catholic faith in the 15th century when we saw the renaissance happening with Martin Luther	15世纪天主教的信仰,当我们看到马丁路德的复兴
235	from Germany and said, yes, the Catholicism has to change because Catholicism itself had gone into	从德国说,是的,天主教必须改变,因为天主教本身已经进入
236	a state of innate inertia.	内在惯性状态。
237	So that moment is here.	因此,这一时刻就在这里。
238	And I believe when I look at the next nine years	我相信当我看着接下来的九年
239	of 2030, ladies and gentlemen, I'm filled with a sense of optimism at home	2030年女士们先生们我满怀乐观
240	because I'm standing in a country which is, even when I interact, when I look at my environment	因为我站在一个国家, 即使在我互动, 当我看着我的环境时,
241	around me, it is one of hope and inspiration.	围绕我,这是一个希望和灵感。
242	It's a model that we could actually be sharing	这是一个模型,我们实际上可以分享
243	with the rest of the world.	与诸众生.
244	Today, very interestingly, this morning with the Irish Ambassador,	今天,非常有趣的是,今天上午与爱尔兰大使,
245	I co-hosted a meeting which brought together member states and brought together many, many	我共同主办了一次会议,使会员国聚集一堂,使许多会员国聚集一堂。
246	Chinese officials, including from the party school, etc.	中国官员,包括党校官员等.
247	And we all gathered in one big hall to	我们都聚集在一个大大厅里
248	discuss SDG 2 and the acceleration to food security and agriculture.	讨论可持续发展目标2和加速实现粮食安全和农业。
249	Fascinating to have	迷人的拥有
250	several African countries, European countries, the American Chamber of Commerce, British Chamber	几个非洲国家、欧洲国家、美国商会、英国商会
251	of Commerce, the Chinese government's three DGs from MFA and agriculture, rule revitalization,	商务部,中国政府的三大司职来自外交部和农业, 统治振兴,
252	all sitting in the same room.	都坐在同一间房里
253	So it's my third month here.	所以,这是我在这里的第三个月。
254	I've already seen, we can see the	我已经看到,我们可以看到
255	opportunity of that change coming in, of an opportunity of hope.	充满希望的机会
256	And it's really up to us	这真的取决于我们
257	as a collective hope on how we are able to shape that narrative with our counterparts and governments	作为我们如何与我们的对口单位和政府一起塑造这种叙事的集体希望
258	all over the world because we have alumni networks everywhere.	因为我们到处都有校友网
259	The Dean of the school I attended is	我就读的学校的校长是
260	right now, I did my China policy paper under her and she's Biden's Chief Economic Advisor.	现在,我做了我的中国政策文件在她和她是拜登的首席经济顾问。
261	She's the Chair of the Economic Council.	她是经济委员会主席.
262	So it's our network that we should be able to do	因此,这是我们的网络我们应该可以做的
263	and connect in order to really connect, catalyze and convene global perspectives towards a common	和连接,以便真正连接、催化和召集全球视角,实现共同
264	share.	共享。
265	Thank you.	谢谢
266	Thank you, Sid.	谢谢你,希德。
267	And I believe you are overqualified to be run for the next	我相信你是超资格竞选下一个
268	Indian Prime Minister.	印度总理.
269	We are all impressed by your very inspiring speech.	我们大家都对你的非常鼓舞人心的讲话印象深刻。
270	I have many questions	我有很多问题
271	to start with Victor.	从维克多开始
272	A beneficiary of the old world order and certainly an important part of	旧世界秩序的受益者,当然是世界秩序的重要组成部分。
273	this old world order since 1945, the end of the second world war, China does expect to continue	自从1945年第二次世界大战结束以来的这个旧世界秩序,中国确实希望继续下去
274	to benefit from modern capitalism.	从现代资本主义中获益。
275	It's no exaggeration to say that both China and the	说中国和中国
276	world are of great importance to multilateralism.	世界对多边主义非常重要。
277	The Biden administration, needless to say,	拜登政府不用说
278	is trying to rebuild its alliance of values and prosperity with the other side of the	正在试图重建其价值观和繁荣的联盟,与另一方
279	Atlantic Ocean.	大西洋报.
280	So my question for you, where exactly do you stand on the issue, for example,	所以,我问你, 你对这个问题的立场,例如,
281	whether multilateralism is outage given the huge global impact of unilateralism and protectiveness	鉴于单边主义和保护性的巨大全球影响,多边主义是否已经停止
282	the campaign's success of Donald Trump?	唐纳德·特朗普的竞选成功?
283	Thank you very much, Yang Rui and Professor Xue.	谢 very,杨瑞和薛教授.
284	It's a	这是一个
285	great honor to share this important panel with you.	很荣幸与你分享这个重要面板
286	I think China earned its place at the United	我认为,中国赢得了它的地位在联合
287	Nations and its Security Council back in 1945.	1945年各国及其安全理事会。
288	China was one of the most important founding	中国是最重要的创始国之一
289	members of the United Nations and then back in 1971, China resumed its seat at the United Nations.	中国在1971年恢复在联合国的席位。
290	That's again a very important day in China's history.	这又是中国历史上非常重要的一天.
291	I would say when both China and the	我会说,当中国和
292	United States presented their signed documents to the United Nations Secretary General for the Paris	美国向负责巴黎事务的联合国秘书长提交了其签署的文件。
293	Climate Change Accord, that was one of the most important and happiest day for mankind as a whole	气候变化协议,这是全人类最重要和最幸福的一天之一
294	and when the United States withdrew from the Paris Climate Accord under President Trump,	而当美国退出了特朗普总统领导下的巴黎气候协议,
295	it was one of the saddest today for mankind as a whole and it gives me reason to be more optimistic	这是今天整个人类最悲哀的一件事让我有理由更加乐观
296	now that the United States is back at the Paris Climate Change Accord under President Biden	现在,美国回到了拜登总统领导下的巴黎气候变化协议
297	because it bodes well for mankind as a whole as well as for China-U.S. relations because at least	因为它预示着整个人类以及中美关系
298	these two most important countries can have a meaningful cooperation on the international front	这两个最重要的国家可以在国际上进行有意义的合作。
299	under the United Nations headed climate change corporations.	联合国气候变化公司负责人。
300	Now China is a big supporter of the	现在中国是大支持者
301	current international order and this is very important because lots of people in the United	这一点非常重要,因为联合国很多人
302	States failed to understand this very important thing about China.	国家未能理解中国的这一非常重要的事情。
303	China does not want to rock	中国不想摇摆
304	a boat.	一条船。
305	China wants to support the existing international order and it will be very	中国希望支持现有的国际秩序,它将非常
306	unconstructive if the United States wants to jump the boat from the existing order as we understand	如果美国想从我们所理解的现有秩序中跳下船,那就毫无建设性了
307	it and try to recreate another order which we do not know.	并尝试重建另一个我们不知道的顺序。
308	So first of all I think China and the	所以,首先我认为中国和
309	United States need to work together to make sure that the international order that we have today	美国需要共同努力,确保我们今天的国际秩序。
310	are maintained for years if not decades and if not even longer to come and China and the United	维持数年甚至几十年,如果未来甚至更长,中国和联合国
311	States need to get along with each other whether they like each other or not.	国家无论喜欢与否,都需要彼此和睦相处。
312	I've come up with a	и稱
313	firm belief that to live and let live is the only right thing and the only logical thing for China	坚信活着和放生是中国唯一正确和合乎逻辑的事
314	and the United States.	美国和美国。
315	They do not need to love each other or like each other but they need to	他们不需要彼此相爱或相爱但是他们需要
316	live and let live.	生活和让生活。
317	That is China need to live and we need to let the United States live and the	这就是中国需要生存,我们需要让美国活下来
318	United States needs to live and let China live.	美国需要活下去,让中国活着.
319	That's the minimum thing for the world today and	这是今天世界的最低条件
320	that's the foundation for multilateralism.	这是多边主义的基础。
321	If one country wants to put itself on top of all the other	如果一个国家想把自己置于其他一切之上
322	countries or if one single country wants to put itself on top of China it will be a very chaotic	如果一个国家想把自己放在中国之上,那将是一个非常混乱的状态
323	world and it also gives me hope to see that Ambassador Chatterjee is here as the highest	也给我带来了希望查特吉大使在这里是最高的
324	ranking UN officials in China.	排名中国联合国官员.
325	For your information very quickly I'm a family of the United Nations.	很快的,我是一个联合国大家庭。
326	My wife is a permanent staff member of the United Nations.	我的妻子是联合国的长期工作人员。
327	I used to work with the United Nations	我曾经同联合国合作
328	secretary in New York.	纽约秘书。
329	Our two daughters attended the UN international school in Manhattan so if	我们的两个女儿在曼哈顿的联合国国际学校上学,如果
330	the ambassador needs a volunteer in Beijing I'm always ready.	大使需要一位志愿者,我随时都准备好
331	Thank you very much.	谢谢
332	Victor, good for you.	维克多,对你有好处。
333	Your wife is a permanent employee of the United Nations.	你的妻子是联合国的长期雇员。
334	It means most of	这意味着大部分
335	the time we are doing shopping in New York you can do it duty-free.	我们在纽约购物的时候你可以免关税的
336	UN does have to save a lot of	联合国确实需要节省很多
337	money and energy of course.	当然是金钱和精力
338	So Professor Sher, what are your comments on the importance of	谢尔教授,你对
339	multilateralism given the challenges arising from unilateralism and protectionism?	鉴于单边主义和保护主义带来的挑战,多边主义?
340	Well I fully agree with Victor's point that we need to support and strengthen the multilateralism	我完全同意维克多的观点,即我们需要支持和加强多边主义
341	but let me also say that the multilateralism at its current state is not enough.	但是,我还要说,多边主义的现状还不够。
342	We need a version two, version three, given the challenge we face.	鉴于我们面临的挑战,我们需要第二版,第三版。
343	So I think you mentioned	所以我觉得你提到
344	about the UN reform.	关于联合国改革。
345	Let me just take the one example, the WHO.	让我举一个例子,卫生组织。
346	I think this pandemic really	我觉得这个流行病真的
347	revealed many, many weaknesses in the global public health system and I think I was told that	暴露了全球公共卫生系统的许多弱点,我想我被告知
348	the WHO's budget is less than a research hospital in New York.	卫生组织的预算还不到纽约的一家研究医院。
349	Can you imagine?	你能想象吗?
350	So I think that	所以我觉得
351	indeed we need to strengthen the current multilateralism in many, many ways and also	确实,我们需要在许多方面和在很多方面加强目前的多边主义。
352	there are many new challenging issues that will not have any institution that can address those	有许多新的挑战性问题,没有任何机构能够解决这些问题。
353	issues.	问题。
354	I think climate change is likely.	我认为气候变化是可能的。
355	Now we have this kind of system but I think there are	现在我们有这种系统但我认为有
356	many other things like for example in the area of AI technologies and in many, many other fields	其它很多事情比如AI技术领域以及很多其它领域
357	so we actually need a lot more institutions to be created and be expensive.	因此,我们实际上需要更多的机构被创建和昂贵。
358	So I think that I	所以我觉得
359	run the way but also that's not enough.	运行的方式,但也不够。
360	We need to do more to strengthen the system.	我们需要做更多的工作来加强这一制度。
361	Thank you Peter and Professor Xue.	谢谢你彼得和薛教授
362	You have put a lot of interesting points into your individual	你给个人留下了很多有趣的点子
363	perspectives.	观点。
364	Let me get back to Sid.	让我回到西德。
365	With a clear focus on two most important multilateral	明确侧重于两个最重要的多边
366	values since 1945, the World Bank and the IMF.	自1945年以来,世界银行和货币基金组织的价值。
367	Now since there are no signs indicating clearly	现在没有明显的迹象了
368	that the trade war if any between the United States and China is receding seriously.	美国和中国之间的贸易战争正在严重退缩。
369	Do you	你会吗?
370	believe that the process of increasing China's voting powers at the World Bank and the	认为中国在世界银行和
371	International Monetary Fund will come to a halt?	国际货币基金组织会停摆吗?
372	The old world financial order is actually based on United States currency, US dollars.	旧世界金融秩序实际上以美元货币为基础。
373	But given the separation of US dollars from golden standards in the early 1970s,	但是,鉴于美元与黄金标准在1970年代初分离,
374	the United States is still, I mean US dollars still viewed as the most important reserve	美元仍然是最重要的储备
375	and global payment.	以及全球支付。
376	Do you think the current tensions between the two biggest economies	你认为两个最大的经济体之间目前的紧张关系
377	threaten to suspend this process that China will have a more important say, a voting power	威胁要中止这一进程中国将拥有更重要的发言权
378	for example with the special drawing rights to the basket that gathers all the	例如,对收集所有
379	major policies about the sovereignty of the individual nation states?	关于个别民族国家主权的重大政策?
380	So like any other institution, the Bretton Woods also need to go through a dramatic	所以,像任何其他机构一样,布雷顿森林也需要经历一个戏剧性的
381	reform.	改革。
382	So whether it's the World Bank or the IMF, but therefore we are also seeing the emergence	因此,无论是世界银行还是国际货币基金组织, 但我们也看到了这个现象
383	of regional banks like the Asia Bank, the Africa Bank, the AIIB.	亚洲银行、非洲银行、亚投行等区域银行。
384	In fact I had the AIIB recently	其实我最近有亚投行
385	join the UN country team as a member because it's again an example of multilateralism at a regional	加入联合国国家工作队是因为它再次成为区域多边主义的典范
386	level.	级别。
387	So like everything else, the problem with institutions is over time they develop inertia	所以像其他一切一样, 机构的问题在于随着时间推移,它们变得惰性
388	and once that inertia develops deep roots come in and therefore the change becomes difficult.	一旦惯性发展到深层变化就会变得困难
389	So I think that change is absolutely mission critical to happen including like the UN,	因此,我认为变革绝对是关键的任务包括联合国,
390	but to me the US and China represent hope to the world.	但对我来说,美国和中国代表着世界的希望。
391	Their coupling represents hope to	他们的结合代表着希望
392	and bringing the best.	并带来最好的。
393	I mean today when I look at this network of US educated	我的意思是,今天,当我看到这个网络美国教育
394	Ivy League schoolers who are influencing the public policy space at every level,	常春藤联盟的校友影响各级公共政策空间,
395	China's own growth would not have happened had it not been for that knowledge that allowed	如果不是这种知识允许了中国自身的增长,中国就不会有这样的增长。
396	China's human capital to also develop from.	中国的人力资本也从发展起来。
397	You know there was someone asking me, how would you	你知道有人问我,你会怎么做
398	best describe China's growth as I said it's MPH.	最好描述一下中国的增长,就像我说的是MPH.
399	So the M stands for meritocratic.	故M代表功德.
400	You could be from	你可能来自
401	remote village, but if you've got the talent you can still get to wherever you want to.	边远的村庄,但是如果你有天赋你仍然可以得到任何地方。
402	The P is pragmatism.	P是实用主义。
403	You embrace all forms of knowledge and allowed it to get into your	你接受各种形式的知识,让它进入你的
404	research, into your technology and the edge was on.	研究, 研究你的技术和边缘。
405	So you moved your economy to an MPH process	所以,你把经济转移到了MPH进程
406	and kept it moving.	并保持它移动。
407	And I think when I look at the US and China, when I look at my own self,	当我看着美国和中国当我看着我自己的时候
408	I come from a family that was displaced.	我来自一个流离失所的家庭。
409	My country was partitioned into three.	我国被分为三个。
410	My father	我父亲
411	had to flee from one part of the country to the other.	不得不从该国的一个地方逃到另一个地方。
412	The fact that I had an opportunity to get	我有一个机会
413	into one of the top schools gave me an opportunity and opened up doors.	进入顶尖的学校让我有机会打开大门
414	I really believe that our	我真的相信,我们
415	role should be to look at where those points of convergence are and it's the climate for sure	作用应该是研究这些趋同点在哪里,这是肯定的气候
416	that we can actually make a massive difference.	我们实际上可以做出巨大的改变。
417	It's rebuilding economics	它正在重建经济
418	and getting the US and China to help the rest of the developing world come up.	让美国和中国帮助其他发展中国家崛起
419	It's coming together	都出来了
420	around health.	与健康有关
421	And this time at the BOP forum there were four weaknesses or four deficits	而这次在BOP论坛,有四个弱点或四个缺点
422	which was an outcome of the 2030 agenda.	这是2030年议程的成果。
423	The first deficit is a health deficit.	第一个赤字是健康赤字。
424	The second	第二个
425	deficit is a digital deficit.	赤字是一种数字赤字。
426	The third is a green deficit.	第三是绿色赤字。
427	The fourth is an infrastructure deficit.	第四是基础设施短缺。
428	Right, I'm coming to that.	好吧,我来了。
429	I just wrote a piece about that and I said there are two deficits that	我只是写了一篇关于这个的,我说有两个缺陷
430	underpin these two and one is a trust and one is a deficit of multilateralism.	支持这两个方面,一个是信任,一个是多边主义的缺失。
431	But you know what?	但你知道吗?
432	It's people who help develop trust.	是帮助发展信任的人
433	It is the people-to-people connectivity that we have to	我们必须把人与人联系起来
434	help develop trust.	帮助发展信任。
435	Frankly, I'm saying this with every emphasis at my disposal that the next 10	坦白地说,我用我的所有重点说接下来的10个
436	years will see a much better upswing in relationships across the world.	多年来,全世界的关系将会有更好的上升。
437	I'm quite confident.	我相当有信心。
438	Yet another focus on an embarrassing question about the prospects of the WTO.	另一个重点是世贸组织前景的尴尬问题。
439	We are all talking	我们都在谈论
440	about the reform of the United Nations and one important multilateral body is of course	当然,关于联合国改革和一个重要的多边机构
441	the World Trade Organization.	世界贸易组织。
442	We all understand that towards the closing days of Donald Trump's	我们都明白在唐纳德·特朗普的闭幕日
443	administration the appellate body of the World Trade Organization was basically dead because	世界贸易组织上诉机构由于
444	majority of the judges disappeared.	多数法官失踪。
445	The Trump administration was not very supportive of this	川普政府对此并不十分支持
446	idea, settling trade disputes through the appellate body.	通过上诉机构解决贸易纠纷。
447	Now, trained as a JD at Yale, Dr. Gao,	现在,在耶鲁接受过JD训练,高博士
448	are you optimistic that the process of reforming the World Trade Organization	你对世界贸易组织的改革进程感到乐观吗?
449	will go ahead as scheduled?	照计划进行吗?
450	Or do you think the Biden administration will carry on the legacy of	或者你认为拜登政府会继承
451	the Trump administration and trade disputes threaten to further erode the dynamics of globalization?	特朗普政府和贸易争端有可能进一步侵蚀全球化的动态?
452	Thank you, Yang Rui.	谢谢杨锐.
453	By nature, I'm an eternal optimist.	自然,我是一个永恒的乐观主义者。
454	So if you ask me about anything,	所以,如果你问我什么,
455	I'm always optimist.	我总是乐观。
456	I'm always optimistic.	我总是很乐观
457	That's by my nature.	照我的本性
458	Number two is that before	二号是以前
459	answering the WTO, I would say in the medium and longer term, I'm very optimistic about China-U.S.	中长期而言,我对中美关系非常乐观。
460	relations because I know for sure, and I can get my house with you, that with the passage of time,	关系,因为我知道肯定, 我可以得到我的房子与你, 随着时间的推移,
461	the current hostility in Washington against China will eventually mellow down.	现在华盛顿对中国的敌意最终会消退
462	China and the United	中国与联合国
463	States are not destined to be enemies against each other.	国家注定不会相互敌对。
464	That's my firm belief.	这是我的坚定信念。
465	That gives me all	这让我所有
466	optimism about China-U.S. relations, not for today, but for the medium and longer term.	对中美关系持乐观态度,不是今天,而是中长期.
467	We can go into	我们可以进去了
468	more details about what do I mean by medium and longer term.	更多关于我中长期含义的详情。
469	But on that basis, it gives me	但在此基础上,它给了我
470	optimism for WTO reform.	对世贸组织改革的乐观态度。
471	I believe now the resistance against WTO reform is mainly from	我认为,对世贸组织改革的抵制主要来自
472	the United States.	美国。
473	And the basis of the U.S. opposition against WTO reform is mainly because	而美国反对世贸组织改革的基础主要在于
474	it's misjudgment about how to take on China, whether China is an enemy, is a rival, is a competitor,	它错误地判断了如何占领中国, 无论中国是敌人,是对手,是竞争对手,
475	etc.	页:1
476	It's all very confused in Washington about China.	华盛顿对中国都非常困惑.
477	So I think one thing we can do is to really	所以我想我们可以做的一件事就是
478	let the United States know better about China.	让美国更了解中国.
479	For example, one thing we can all do together is to	例如,我们可以一起做的一件事就是
480	tell the American people who really paid the tariffs that the U.S. government has charged on	告诉美国人民谁真的支付了关税,美国政府已经收取
481	Chinese exports to the United States.	中国出口美国.
482	It's not the Chinese government.	这不是中国政府。
483	It's not the Chinese exporters.	不是中国的出口商
484	It's the American importers and the American consumers eventually.	最终是美国进口商和美国消费者.
485	I think President Biden's	我认为拜登总统
486	administration should at least have that decency of telling the truth to the American people,	政府至少应该有向美国人民说实话的体面,
487	if not about many other things, at least about who really paid the tariff, because the tariff	如果不是很多事情, 至少关于谁真正支付关税, 因为关税
488	is really just a tax on the American people for whatever that is imported from China.	其实只是美国人民从中国进口的税
489	And about	还有
490	one third of the Chinese exports to the United States is actually made by American companies	中国对美国出口的三分之一实际上是美国公司做的
491	operating in China.	在中国经营。
492	So if we really can explain the situation to the American government, to the	所以,如果我们真的可以解释的情况美国政府,向
493	United States, against reform of the WTO.	美国,反对世贸组织改革.
494	Now, having said that, at present, I think WTO is more	现在,说到这里,我认为世贸组织更
495	or less dead, if not operative in an efficient way.	或更少的死亡,如果不是有效操作。
496	And this is why now the focus is on setting up more	这就是为什么现在的重点是建立更多的
497	multilateral or regional free trade arrangements or trade agreements, etc., which probably will	多边或区域自由贸易安排或贸易协定,等等,可能
498	replicate the situation going forward.	复制未来的情况。
499	But I suppose it will take at least five to ten years	不过我想至少要五到十年
500	before real serious reform of the WTO can really take place.	在世贸组织真正进行真正的认真改革之前。
501	And that period of time should	这段时期应该
502	correspond more or less to one thing.	或多或少对应一件事。
503	That is, within ten years, the overall size of the Chinese	也就是说,在十年之内,中国人的整体规模
504	economy will be larger than that of the United States.	经济将大于美国。
505	I think once we cross that most important	我想一旦我们穿过那个最重要的地方
506	point of no return, Washington will have to mellow down.	华盛顿将不得不低调
507	So I hope you will join me in my optimism.	因此,我希望你与我一样感到乐观。
508	Don't always be distraught by the hostilities now between China and the United States.	现在中美两国之间的敌对行为,不要总是心烦意乱.
509	In the	在那个
510	medium and long term, China and the United States will need to get along with each other.	中长期,中美两国需要和睦相处.
511	Live and let live is the mega trend going forward.	生活与生活是向前发展的巨大趋势。
512	Thank you.	谢谢
513	Thank you so much, Victor, for your	谢谢你,维克多,谢谢你
514	mystic note in the self-fulfilling prophecy.	在自我实现的预言中神秘的笔记.
515	But may I have the benefit of doubt as to whether	但能否让我怀疑
516	WTO will continue to perform its role?	世贸组织将继续发挥其作用?
517	My next question actually is a noble one.	我的下一个问题其实是一个崇高的问题。
518	I'd like to open	我想打开
519	this floor to three of the panelists here.	这层楼是给这里的三位小组成员的
520	The question is, and I need to have a debate,	问题是我需要辩论一下
521	now one important reason that threatens to undermine the normal functions of the WTO is	现在有可能破坏世贸组织正常职能的一个重要原因是:
522	how to look at the economy of China.	如何看中国经济.
523	Is it still the biggest developing country or developed one?	它仍然是最大的发展中国家还是发达国家?
524	Most Western powers argue strongly China has become an economic superpower.	大多数西方强国极力主张中国已经成为经济超级大国.
525	China says no.	中国说不.
526	We still, despite the millions of people being lifted out of poverty in the year 2020, China,	尽管2020年中国有数百万人摆脱贫困,
527	we argue, remains a developing country.	我们说,仍然是一个发展中国家。
528	So first of all, your argument, I'd like to have a debate.	所以,首先,你的论点, 我想有一个辩论。
529	Now, I believe there will be discrepancies in your opinion about whether China is a	现在,我相信,对于中国是否是一个
530	developed one or a developing country.	发达国家或发展中国家。
531	The pros and the cons is to share is China a developing	利弊是中国的发展
532	country or a developed one?	国家还是发达国家?
533	Depending on what you look at.	取决于你所看。
534	Depending on the per capita GDP?	取决于人均GDP?
535	Well, you mentioned I was trained at Yale Law School.	你说我在耶鲁法学院受训
536	Graduates from Yale Law School always	耶鲁法学院毕业生
537	try to avoid questions like that.	尽量避免这样的问题。
538	It's like whether you are still feeding your wife.	就像你是否还在喂你妻子
539	Yes or no?	是还是不是?
540	You can't answer questions like that.	你不能回答这样的问题。
541	But anyway, I've come up with my own coinage of a term.	但总之,我已经想出了我自己的钱一个术语。
542	I've created a term calling both China and India the superpopulations.	我创造了一个称中国和印度为超级人口的术语.
543	Superpopulations, meaning	超级人口,意指
544	if any country has a population above one billion, automatically it becomes a superpopulation.	如果任何国家的人口超过10亿,就会自动成为超级人口。
545	I think China and India are the only two superpopulations in the world.	我认为中国和印度是世界上仅有的两个超级人口.
546	Now, if you try to say	现在,如果你试图说
547	whether China is a developed or a developing country in the world, it also reminds me of	无论中国是世界上的发达国家还是发展中国家,它也让我想起
548	arguments when Deng Xiaoping was asked whether a black cat is better than a white cat or icy.	邓小平被问到黑猫比白猫好还是冰冷时的论点.
549	You cannot answer that kind of question because the old man really said the right thing.	你不能回答这种问题因为那个老头说得没错
550	He said	他说
551	it doesn't matter whether it's black or white.	无论是黑还是白都无所谓.
552	What matters is if the cat catches rice.	重要的是如果猫抓住了大米。
553	So I think if you look at Shanghai or Shenzhen or Guangzhou, it's very much developed.	所以,我认为如果你看上海或者深圳或者广州,就非常发达.
554	It's	这是
555	any city in Europe.	欧洲的任何城市。
556	My hometown, the little Suzhou, when I was born with, for example, is now	故乡小苏州,以我生时为例,今已矣.
557	having a population of 12 million people.	有1 200万人口。
558	12 million people for Suzhou.	苏州一千二百万人.
559	We always say the	我们总是说
560	mega-Shanghai versus the little Suzhou.	上海对阵小苏州.
561	Suzhou has 12 million people larger than any city in	苏州有1200万人比任何城市都大
562	Europe.	欧洲。
563	Can you believe it?	你能相信吗?
564	Larger than any city in the United States except probably the city.	比美国任何一个城市都大除了这个城市
565	Can you stop your past speech and come up with your opinion about whether his wisdom of	你能停止你过去的演讲, 提出你的意见关于他的智慧
566	ambiguity always bothers me?	模糊总是让我烦恼?
567	But I would like to have a clear answer from you.	但我想从你那里得到一个明确的答案。
568	But from a United Nations perspective, we have a cooperation framework,	但从联合国的角度来看,我们有一个合作框架,
569	and it's a cooperation framework which is from 2021 to 2025.	它是一个合作框架从2021年到2025年。
570	It's called the United Nations	它叫联合国
571	Sustainable Development Cooperation Framework, and this has been discussed with the government.	已与政府讨论了可持续发展合作框架。
572	The government itself acknowledges that there are three strategic areas here,	政府自己承认这里有三个战略领域,
573	people and prosperity, the planet, and partnership.	人类与繁荣地球与伙伴关系
574	The government is keen to make sure that while we	政府渴望确保我们
575	have made significant gains in removing people out of Arctic poverty, an external shock like a	在使人民摆脱北极贫困方面取得了显著进展,这种外部冲击像
576	natural disaster or an economic shock should not take away those gains, which means we still have	自然灾害或经济冲击不应夺走这些成果,这意味着我们仍然有
577	a lot of work to do to get into the remotest parts of China, making sure that we make sure	为了进入中国最偏远的地区, 需要做很多工作, 确保我们确保
578	that the infrastructure, the socio-economic infrastructure is robust.	基础设施、社会经济基础设施都十分健全。
579	So there is work to	所以还有工作要做
580	be done.	已经做了。
581	So let's say that China today is at the point where you say $12,000 per capita GDP is very	因此,让我们假设,今天的中国是你说的12,000美元人均GDP非常
582	kind of putting you into the developed country space.	让你进入发达国家的空间
583	Frankly, in my view, it should be in the	坦白说,我认为,它应该是在
584	space of $20,000 to $25,000, which is where it will go to in the next five to 10 years.	20 000美元至25 000美元,这是今后5至10年将达到的目标。
585	He's	琌
586	and perhaps the next 10 years will define that economic strength and might of China	也许未来十年将决定中国的经济实力
587	when we can actually see absolute confidence.	当我们看到绝对的信心时
588	Now we've had a census, which has just come up	现在我们做了个人口普查,刚刚开始
589	that no person is below a particular per income level.	任何人的人均收入水平都低于特定水平。
590	Surprisingly, I found these three guest	没想到我找到这三位客人
591	speakers are more of a diplomat than a commentator, and their philosophical questions have further	演讲者更像是外交家而不是评论家他们的哲学问题更进一步
592	puzzled me on my question as to these two issues.	我对这两个问题感到困惑。
593	Why the United States launched one after another	美国为何逐一发动
594	anti-dumping and anti-subsidy investigations against China?	对中国的反倾销和反补贴调查?
595	And the talent body was the place where	才华横溢
596	such trade disputes were supposed to be settled.	这种贸易纠纷应该得到解决。
597	But as Victor Gao said, to my dismay, that the	但是,正如Victor Gao所说,我感到失望的是,
598	So why don't we regard China as a developing or a developed one, really, besides or seals the	因此,我们为什么不把中国视为一个发展中或发达的,真的,除了或封印
599	fate of China being an economy that launches a dumping or a subsidy so soon?	中国的命运是一个经济启动倾销或补贴这么快?
600	To me, the WTO is working for us without a doubt.	对我来说,世贸组织无疑为我们工作。
601	I mean, it is precisely because there was a level	我的意思是,这正是因为有一个水平
602	of, should I say, the same inertia that we are talking about.	我要说,我们所说的同样惰性。
603	And that is why the WTO really	这就是为什么世贸组织
604	needs to be rewired.	需要重新连接。
605	And I think, therefore, the ambition with which both China and America come	因此,我认为,中国和美国的野心
606	to it is absolutely critical to make sure that the newly appointed WTO Director General is given the	确保新任命的世贸组织总干事获得
607	keeping and the space to be able to reemerge and reinvigorate the WTO.	保持和保持能够重新出现和重振世贸组织的空间。
608	It's a great institution,	这是一个伟大的机构,
609	but it needs reforms.	但它需要改革。
610	Without those reforms, it is not keeping up with current.	没有这些改革,它就跟不上现状。
611	I mean, if we are	我的意思是,如果我们
612	learning tensors analysis and we realize that geometric progression in calculus has advanced	我们意识到微积分中的几何进化已经进步
613	to space, and if we are still learning tensors analysis, then we are caught in a different place.	如果我们还在学习抗辐射分析那么我们就被困在另一个地方
614	I think that's where WTO is.	我想这就是WTO的位置。
615	It has to make that great leap forward in terms of its intellectual	它必须在智力上实现这一巨大的飞跃
616	capital as well.	资本也是。
617	And this is what the new Director General of WTO is trying to do.	这也是世贸组织新任总干事试图做的事情。
618	Now the issue of unilateralism.	现在谈谈单边主义问题。
619	Since the Biden administration was sworn in, in late January,	自从拜登政府宣誓就职后 1月下旬
620	Professor Xue, to what degree do you think this newly elected Democratic President	薛教授,你觉得这位新当选的民主总统达到什么程度?
621	would change the Trump administration's policy of populism and trade protectionism?	是否会改变川普政府的民粹主义和贸易保护主义政策?
622	Because	因为
623	in this particular area, we're going to see divergence or convergence of our stakes.	在这个特殊领域,我们将看到我们的利益分歧或趋同。
624	China always says it loud and clear, we are a big fan of unilateralism, and we take side	中国总是大声说,我们是单边主义的大粉丝,我们站在一边
625	with the United Nations, and we are on the right side of history.	我们站在历史的正确一边。
626	I think we're still patiently	我觉得我们还有耐心
627	watching to see what's happening.	看着看发生了什么。
628	I think that at the moment, I think that	我认为,现在,我想
629	certainly I think from the officials from Biden administration, from their remarks and so on,	我从拜登政府的官员, 从他们的言论等等看来,
630	indeed this seems the intention to do that, but at the same time, we are not seeing the actual	确实,这似乎是打算这样做的,但与此同时,我们没有看到实际存在的情况。
631	movement.	移动。
632	So I think that's what I think we're watching.	我想这就是我们所看到的
633	And of course, I think it's	当然,我认为
634	understandable that the four years of Trump administration has generated a lot of poison,	可以理解的是,特朗普政府的四年产生了大量的毒药,
635	you know, the atmosphere, and also has generated a lot of bad initials there.	你知道,大气, 也产生了很多不好的缩写。
636	So that may take some time.	所以这可能需要一些时间。
637	At the same time, I think that we are really looking for some	与此同时,我认为我们真的在寻找一些
638	political courage, I think, that can overcome this initial and then, you know, really coming out	我认为,政治勇气可以克服最初,然后,你知道,真的出来
639	to fulfill and to do what they create to do.	完成和做他们创造的做。
640	A question for both Victor and Sid, as to on what side will the European Union stand on the issue of	维克多和希德都有一个问题,即欧洲联盟将站在哪一边?
641	multilateralism?	多边主义?
642	Since the EU does not see eye to eye with the United States on most of the issues	由于欧盟在大多数问题上没有同美国保持对等
643	that the Biden administration is seriously concerned with, therefore, there's likelihood	拜登政府很担心因此有可能
644	that President Biden will try to align itself again with the Europeans in pushing back the	拜登总统将试图再次与欧洲人结盟,推动
645	alleged assertiveness of China's rights.	所谓中国权利的坚定性。
646	This is a little bit sensitive for Sid, but Victor,	这对希德来说有点敏感但维克多
647	you are notoriously known for being evasive and dodgy.	臭名昭著的以逃避和狡猾著称
648	Let me have a clear answer about	让我有一个清楚的答案
649	whether the European Union will take the right side.	欧洲联盟是否采取正确的立场。
650	First of all, EU itself is a product of multilateralism, and I believe it will	首先,欧盟本身是多边主义的产物,我相信它将
651	remain a multilateral institution, and I hope it will remain a force for multilateralism	我希望它仍将是多边主义的力量。
652	rather than unilateralism, because if EU shifts into unilateralism, it will destroy EU itself.	而不是单边主义,因为如果欧盟转变为单边主义,它将摧毁欧盟本身。
653	That's my firm belief.	这是我的坚定信念。
654	Secondly, I think multilateralism, in what sense?	第二,我认为什么意义上的多边主义?
655	That's	这是
656	important, because if you talk about economic and trade, definitely, I hope and I believe,	重要的是,因为如果你谈论经济和贸易, 绝对,我希望,我相信,
657	EU will remain a very important factor for multilateralism.	欧盟仍将是多边主义的一个非常重要的因素。
658	But if you talk about, let's say,	但是,如果你谈论, 让我们说,
659	in the world of today, then EU may have no other choice but to side with the United States.	在当今世界上,欧盟可能别无选择,只能与美国站在一起。
660	It depends on the circumstances, but I truly believe EU as a regional or international	这取决于具体情况,但我确实认为欧盟是区域或国际的。
661	organization will have enough independence of judgment to become a pawn of any other	组织将有足够的独立判断能力,成为任何其他组织的棋子。
662	international force in the world of today, and China need to really keep very good relations	当今世界的国际力量,中国需要真正保持良好的关系
663	with EU as a whole and all its constituent member states, and at the same time, this is my firm	与整个欧盟及其所有成员国, 同时,这是我的公司
664	personal belief, the world will be a better place if China and the United States can get along with	如果中国和美国能和睦相处,世界将会更美好
665	each other.	彼此间.
666	And if any force wants to distance China and the United States, that force should be	如果有势力想与中美两国保持距离,那就应该
667	a very unhealthy force, and none of us, I hope, will have anything to do with that.	一个非常不健康的势力, 我希望,我们没有人会与此有关。
668	I hope you	我希望你能够
669	agree with me on this.	同意我的意见
670	Thank you.	谢谢
671	But I'm afraid there are major leadership changes in the political	但恐怕政治领导班子有重大变动
672	landscape of continental Europe following the Brexit.	Brexit之后的欧洲大陆地貌。
673	For example, Chancellor Angela Merkel	例如,安格拉·默克尔总理
674	is going to step down, and the head of the Green Party is rising as the most likely leader of the	绿党的领袖正在崛起作为最有可能的领袖
675	next coalition government in Germany.	下届德国联合政府.
676	Does that, under the negative impact of COVID-19, indicate	在COVID-19的负面影响下,这是否表明
677	clearly that the EU will change its policy that respects multilateralism?	显然,欧盟将改变其尊重多边主义的政策?
678	I'd like to have your side for analysis about what the EU is going to do next.	我想请你们来分析一下欧盟下一步会做什么。
679	Well, I wish I had a crystal ball.	我希望我有一个水晶球。
680	I would have told you that, but I feel that the EU does represent	我本来会告诉你的但我觉得欧盟确实代表
681	a strong spirit of multilateralism.	一种强有力的多边主义精神。
682	I've interacted with them today.	我今天和他们互动过
683	I mean, I've come out of a meeting	我的意思是,我已经出来了一个会议
684	this morning, and you should ask DG Gopal or the DG from culture or the DG from brutal revitalization.	今天早上,你应该问DG Gopal 或DG 从文化或DG 从残酷的振兴。
685	We all felt a sense of hope.	我们都感到了一种希望感。
686	In that room, we were about 50 people, and it was not big enough.	在那个房间里,我们大约50人,而且不够大。
687	We	我们
688	didn't realize that we oversubscribed at that meeting.	没想到那次会议上我们订的太多了
689	We also had the American Chamber of	我们还有美国众议院
690	Commerce, the British Chamber of Commerce, the EU Chamber of Commerce, all coming together on two	商务,英国商会,欧盟商会, 都聚集在两个
691	fronts.	前卫
692	Number one, how do we work with China on the rural revitalization side?	第一,如何在农村振兴方面与中国合作?
693	Number two, how do	二号,怎么样?
694	we work with China to advance Africa's economy?	我们与中国合作推进非洲经济?
695	That's a 2.5 billion population by 2050.	到2050年,人口达到25亿。
696	It is	没错
697	going to be the market of the future consumers and producers.	将成为未来消费者和生产者的市场。
698	With the rest of the world aging,	随着世界的老龄化
699	which you call in demographic terms an echo, a demographic echo, you will need the new markets.	从人口学角度来说,你需要一个新的市场。
700	It's that there was a united voice that came out over there.	这是有一个统一的声音出来了那里。
701	It was hosted by the Irish Ambassador	会议由爱尔兰大使主持。
702	that we all need to come together.	我们都需要团结起来。
703	I believe our human capital, the human race, our human progress	我相信我们的人力资本,人类,人类的进步
704	will be defined by the US, China, EU, all coming together under the rubric of the renewed revitalized	由美国、中国、欧盟共同确定重新振兴后
705	multilateral institutions like the United Nations.	联合国等多边机构。
706	Therefore, the importance of that reform	因此,改革的重要性
707	will become even more critical.	将变得更加重要。
708	Without the US, without China, without EU, without Great Britain,	没有美国没有中国没有欧盟没有大不列颠
709	without France, we would not be able to achieve that inflection point.	没有法国,我们就无法达到这个错误点。
710	So I'm confident that we	所以我相信我们
711	will see a renewal of this which is happening.	将看到这种情况的重演。
712	You are indeed a super fan of optimism.	你确实是乐观的超级粉丝
713	Let's look at	我们来看看
714	the forgotten sub-Saharan region, the most impoverished region in this world.	被遗忘的撒哈拉以南地区, 世界上最贫穷的地区。
715	Do you foresee	你预见到
716	benefits by this part of the world that will benefit from multilateralism, the United Nations,	将受益于多边主义、联合国、
717	IMF and the World Bank?	货币基金组织和世界银行?
718	To what degree do you think they're going to work out the shadow of	你觉得他们会在什么程度上消除阴影
719	the pandemic and will sustain their economic development?	并维持其经济发展?
720	Economies such as Rwanda and Nigeria	卢旺达和尼日利亚等经济体
721	used to be very dynamic and very impressive ahead of the outbreak of COVID-19, but what's	以前在COVID-19爆发前非常活跃和令人印象深刻,但什么是
722	going to happen next?	接下来会发生什么?
723	So you know I've spent most of my career in Africa and I'm actually coming from	所以,你知道我大部分的职业生涯在非洲,我其实来自
724	Kenya after six years of serving there.	在肯尼亚服役六年之后。
725	And in my view, sub-Saharan Africa will be the bridge or	我认为,撒哈拉以南非洲将是桥梁或
726	the vanguard of economic change in the rest of Africa.	非洲其他地区经济变革的先锋。
727	So a green infrastructure, a green BRI	绿色基础设施,绿色BRI
728	which connects all of Africa, brings the US's blue dot network, China's BRI, the EU's infrastructure,	连结整个非洲,带来美国蓝点网络,中国的BRI,欧盟的基础设施,
729	all of it needs to come together because the EU would not have taken shape had they not been	这一切需要齐头并进,因为如果不是欧盟,它们就不会成形。
730	connected by roads, infrastructure bridges etc.	由道路,基础设施桥梁等连接.
731	This is precisely what we need in Africa.	这正是我们非洲所需要的。
732	Africa	非洲
733	has an infrastructure deficit.	基础设施不足。
734	Without covering that infrastructure deficit, we will not be able	如果不弥补基础设施的不足,我们将无法
735	to kind of exponentially move the velocity of economics, commerce and trade.	使经济、商业和贸易的速度急剧上升。
736	And therefore,	因此,
737	it is in everybody's interest to actually invest in that.	实际投资符合每个人的利益。
738	So I'm really hoping that Africa becomes	所以我真的希望非洲变成
739	the spot at which the EU, the US, China, Russia, all countries come together because nobody can	欧盟、美国、中国、俄罗斯、所有国家走到一起的地方,因为没有人能够
740	do it alone.	单干
741	Now it's clear that you need governments, you need the private sector, you need	现在很明显,你需要政府,你需要私人部门,你需要
742	civil society institutions all uniting towards a common goal.	民间社会机构都联合起来,争取实现共同目标。
743	There's no question about the global	毫无疑问,全球
744	implications of the BRI, particularly in the sub-Saharan region.	特别是撒哈拉以南地区。
745	However, my question remains	不过,我的问题仍然是
746	whether ahead of everything African nations in this region need to get re-industrialized	该地区非洲国家是否需要重新工业化?
747	because infrastructure, talking smart about infrastructure, you've got to ask the basic	因为基础设施,说到基础设施,你得问基本
748	question as to, maybe at the end of the day, as to whether industrialization or re-industrialization	是否实现工业化或再工业化的问题
749	in South Africa, for example, would be the most important priority on the agenda.	例如,在南非,这将是议程上最重要的优先事项。
750	Most of sub-Saharan	大部分撒哈拉以南地区
751	Africa miss the second and third industrial revolution, most of them, except... What about the alleged	非洲错过了第二次和第三次工业革命,除了. 所指称的
752	digital gap?	数字差距?
753	Right, there is a huge digital gap.	是的,有一个巨大的数字鸿沟。
754	So I talked about the four deficits for the world	所以我谈了世界的四大赤字
755	实现SDG.
756	But the prospect of taking Africa or sub-Saharan Africa into the fourth	但将非洲或撒哈拉以南非洲带入第四个
757	industrial revolution is actually there.	工业革命实际上就在那里。
758	In my view, the next five years, Kenya, Ethiopia, Tanzania,	我认为,今后五年,肯尼亚、埃塞俄比亚、坦桑尼亚,
759	Rwanda, Uganda, Sudan, will have a population of about 700 million by 2050.	到2050年,卢旺达、乌干达、苏丹将有大约7亿人口。
760	And are you alluding	你在说
761	quietly to the understatement of Huawei's 5G in Africa?	悄悄地对华威在非洲5G的低调评价?.
762	Because, you know, the industrialization	因为,你知道,工业化
763	of those poor economies largely depends on, particularly what you're talking about, the fourth	这些贫穷经济体主要依赖,特别是你所说的第四个
764	industrial revolution.	工业革命。
765	5G will play definitely an important role.	5G肯定将发挥重要作用。
766	Well, Huawei was a partner of mine	华伟是我的搭档
767	when we brought down maternal deaths, I just mentioned it to you.	当我们把产妇死亡刚刚提到你。
768	So I don't see a contradiction	我看不出有什么矛盾
769	but we do need to bridge the digital divide.	但我们确实需要弥合数字鸿沟。
770	And we need not just Huawei, we need Google there,	我们不仅需要华伟我们需要谷歌
771	we need everybody coming together with a united push to kind of cover the digital divide.	我们需要大家团结起来团结起来努力弥补数字鸿沟
772	Yes, but the professor here remains pretty quiet.	是的,但这里的教授仍然相当安静。
773	Victor从不回答他
774	He's never replied.	他从来没有回答。
775	You always take the floor.	你总是在发言。
776	Yeah, I actually wanted to shift our focus a little bit, you know, away from the sovereign nations of	是啊,我其实想转移我们的焦点一点点, 你知道,从主权国家
777	the, you know, so when we talk about multilateralism, we always talk about the, you know,	所以当我们谈论多边主义时我们总是谈论...
778	sort of the nation's things.	国家的东西。
779	But I think there's also a trend emerging that I think that we see,	但我认为也出现了一种趋势我认为我们看到
780	you know, for example, the civil societies and the networks like this one, the kind of a network,	比如说,民间社会和这样的网络, 那种网络,
781	as you said, at the working level.	正如你说的在工作层面
782	So, you know, on digital technology, on agriculture and so on.	所以,你知道,关于数字技术, 关于农业等等。
783	So I think those kind of systems are also emerging and they actually often play a much better role	所以,我认为这些系统也正在出现, 实际上它们经常发挥更好的作用
784	in addressing some of the challenges we face.	解决我们面临的一些挑战。
785	So I think that, you know, I think many people	所以我觉得,你知道,我认为很多人
786	study the national relations or know the terms of the regime complex.	研究国家关系或了解政权复杂条件。
787	That is, for the same	就是说,同样
788	issue, you have many different government systems.	你有很多不同的政府制度
789	Some of them are actually, you know, linked and	其中一些其实是,你知道,连接和
790	there are some hierarchical relations, but in many, they don't.	有一些等级关系,但在许多方面,它们没有.
791	So I think that we need to	所以,我认为我们需要
792	strengthen that type of multilateralism to supplement the failures by these nation-states	加强这种多边主义,以补充这些民族国家的失败;
793	of multilateralism.	多边主义。
794	I think that's what we actually, we should, you know, we should really	我觉得这就是我们实际上, 我们应该,你知道,我们真的应该
795	focus on.	专心点
796	And particularly this group, I think that can play that role.	特别是这个团体,我认为它可以发挥这种作用。
797	So I think that's where,	所以,我想这就是,
798	I think that we need to, we need not to forget about that part of multilateralism.	我认为,我们需要,我们不应忘记多边主义的这一部分。
799	So Victor.	所以维克多。
800	Well, I agree with V.M.	好吧,我同意V. M.
801	Asada and Professor Xuan.	浅田和教授.
802	Let me just share with you one	让我跟你分享一个
803	thing.	东西。
804	You may remember back in the early 1980s, the small population of Hong Kong, at that time,	你可能记得1980年代初香港人口少的时候
805	was much smaller than the 7 million people now they have in Hong Kong.	比香港现在的七百万人还小得多
806	People in Hong Kong,	香港人,我们...
807	at that time, had more fixed line phones than mainland China combined together.	当时的固定线电话比中国大陆的组合多.
808	Can you believe	你能相信吗
809	it?	是吗?
810	You can see China was really very much disadvantaged in the early 1980s.	你可以看到,中国在20世纪80年代早期确实非常不利。
811	It is similar	类似
812	to Africa today, but I believe using China as an example, if the African brothers and sisters can	但是我相信如果非洲兄弟姐妹们能
813	get their acts together, if they can maintain stability, if they can avoid war, if they can	只要他们能维持稳定只要他们能避免战争
814	focus on building up their connectivity, infrastructure, etc., they need to do a lot of	重点是加强它们的连通性、基础设施等,它们需要做大量的工作。
815	things.	东西。
816	The disadvantages today in Africa can actually be transformed into their advantages	非洲今天的不利条件实际上可以转化为他们的优势
817	for tomorrow.	为明天。
818	And this is my firm belief for Africa.	这就是我对非洲的坚定信念。
819	If you look at the younger generations	如果你看年轻一代
820	of the African population, the vast resources and the very enriched endowments for Africa,	以及非洲丰富的资源和财富,
821	both in population and natural resources, you name it, they just need to get the right act together.	无论是在人口还是自然资源方面,你都说,他们只需要把正确的行动集中起来。
822	So I've always been thinking, if Deng Xiaoping did not reemerge in China in 1978,	所以我一直想如果1978年邓小平没有在中国复出
823	but reemerged, let's say, in India, then India should have been about five times larger than	在印度,印度应该比
824	China today.	今日中国.
825	Now if there will be one Deng Xiaoping emerging in Africa today, 20 years later,	如果一个邓小平今天在非洲出现 20年后
826	Africa could be equally as big as China is today.	非洲可以和中国今天一样大。
827	So let's always hope for the miracle to happen,	因此,让我们永远希望奇迹发生,
828	and we need to have the right miracle.	我们需要有一个正确的奇迹。
829	As a matter of fact, any person sitting in this hall today	事实上,今天在座的任何人
830	can be a rainmaker in Africa.	在非洲可以做一个降雨者。
831	You can really bring the right thing, the governors,	州长们,你真的可以带来正确的东西
832	the wonderful ideas, the importance of stability and innovation and creativity to Africa.	稳定、创新和创造力对非洲的重要性。
833	And the ambassador will be a very important bridge from China to Africa and from anywhere else to	而大使将是一个非常重要的桥梁从中国到非洲和从其他地方到
834	Africa.	非洲。
835	The only problem, Victor, Africa is not homogeneous.	唯一的问题,维克多,非洲不是单一的。
836	It's a heterogeneous entity.	它是一个不同的实体。
837	It's	这是
838	in order to make sure that the government structures, both in the upstream level when	以确保政府结构,无论是在上游一级,在
839	it comes to the public policy space, but at the implementation side.	它涉及公共政策空间,但在执行方面。
840	That's why I gave you this	所以我才给你这个
841	example that in 2014, even within the UN, there was a lot of opposition to us partnering up with	例如,2014年,即使在联合国内部,也有很多人反对我们携手合作。
842	the private sector, but results matter.	私营部门,但结果很重要。
843	And when this happened, even the government of Kenya stepped	事情发生后连肯尼亚政府都挺身而出
844	back and said, oh my God, actually these relationships work.	说,哦,我的上帝, 这些关系实际上工作。
845	And they opened up space	他们打开了空间
846	for the United Nations, which we were not allowed into because these were pretty unstable,	对于联合国,我们不允许进入, 因为这些是相当不稳定的,
847	fragile.	脆弱。
848	And it's transformed these places.	它改变了这些地方。
849	If you look at them, it's like an economic juggernaut	你看他们,就像一个经济杂耍家
850	of change.	变化。
851	There's a road which was built from the port of Lamu all the way to Addis, financed by the	有一条公路是从拉穆港修建的,一直到亚的斯亚贝巴,资金来自
852	European Union, the African Development Bank, the government of Kenya and the government of Ethiopia,	欧洲联盟、非洲开发银行、肯尼亚政府和埃塞俄比亚政府,
853	built by a Chinese company on budget and in less time.	由一家中国公司按预算建造,在较短的时间内建成.
854	That road changed the lives of people that	那条路改变了人们的生活
855	lived along it.	沿着它生活。
856	We did a cross-border program in Ethiopia.	我们在埃塞俄比亚做了一个跨界方案。
857	It's online.	腾讯网.
858	If you just Google Kenya,	如果你只是谷歌肯尼亚,
859	Ethiopia, United Nations, you'll find several studies which have been done on it.	埃塞俄比亚,联合国,你会发现已经做了几项研究。
860	That one	那个
861	group was significant enough not only to reduce conflicts, but suddenly brought mutual trade	集团的重要性不仅足以减少冲突,而且突然带来相互贸易
862	prosperity along the border.	沿着边境繁荣。
863	And that is exactly what Africa needs because the Africans targeting	而这正是非洲需要的,因为非洲人的目标
864	the Africa free trade area.	非洲自由贸易区。
865	So the governance structure will be the African Union, while each	因此,施政结构将是非洲联盟,而每一个
866	state like the European Union will retain its, you know, but the African Union has to be spent	像欧盟那样的国家会保留它但非洲联盟必须花掉
867	just the way the European Union, just the way the ASEAN, we need a model of that sort coming up.	就象欧洲联盟一样,就像东盟一样, 我们需要一个这样的模式。
868	Many examples of regional integration are actually based on the success of the European Union and its	区域一体化的许多例子实际上都以欧洲联盟的成功及其成果为基础。
869	original economic integration.	最初的经济一体化。
870	However, ironically, with the Brexit of the UK, I don't think	然而,讽刺的是,英国的英国人,我不认为
871	other economies would still follow the example of the European Union, therefore the weaknesses of	其他经济体仍将仿效欧洲联盟的做法,因此,欧洲联盟的弱点是:
872	the African Union.	非洲联盟
873	Having said this, let's look at the role of other players in the game.	说了这番话之后,让我们看看其他角色在游戏中的角色.
874	For example,	举例来说,
875	are you sure, Sid, Professor Shea and Victor, it is the governments of sovereign states that play the	希德,谢教授和维克多,你确定吗? 是主权国家的政府
876	vital and pivotal role in the process of colonization, or actually it's the multinationals,	在殖民化过程中扮演重要和关键的角色或者其实是跨国公司
877	overseas multinationals.	海外跨国公司.
878	Now when we look at the importance of global supply chains, it is	当我们审视全球供应链的重要性时,
879	that giant players such as Huawei, Facebook, Twitter, you know, soft bank, I mean these global	那些巨型玩家,如华威,Facebook,Twitter, 你知道,软银行,我的意思是这些全球
880	players threaten to replace the role of traditional ones of individual governments.	行为者威胁要取代政府的传统角色。
881	Do you think that	你觉得
882	it is these big companies that will seal the fate of human being?	是这些大公司会封住人类的命运?
883	Actually I see them as an advantage.	其实我把他们看成是优势
884	They would actually complement the work.	它们实际上将补充这项工作。
885	And that is what when I talk about the renewal of	当我谈论更新
886	multilateralism, I see the giants like Huawei and Tencent and Google, all coming together, to	多边主义,我看到像华威,Tencent和Google这样的巨人都走到一起
887	come work with the United Nations, work with member states, to advance the growth, prosperity agenda.	将与联合国合作,与会员国合作,推动增长、繁荣议程。
888	And that is why technology you cannot abandon.	这就是为什么技术你不能放弃。
889	I think there would be five areas, and, let me	我想有五个领域,让我
890	to be critical for human development	对人类发展至关重要
891	and global perspective.	以及全球观点。
892	First is the space of artificial intelligence,	首先是人工智能的空间
893	absolutely necessary.	绝对有必要
894	The second is the space of semiconductors.	第二是半导体的空间.
895	The world has to work together in the space	世界必须在太空中共同努力
896	of semiconductors because that will get the velocity	半导体,因为那会得到速度
897	that we need for technology.	我们需要技术。
898	The third is quantum computing,	第三个是量子计算,
899	and it will need much faster decision making	它需要更快的决策
900	through the quantum computing networks	通过量子计算网络
901	in order to come to decisions or come to technologies	以作出决定或技术
902	or give vibrancy or scale to our two ideas.	或赋予我们两个想法活力或规模。
903	The fourth is biotechnology,	第四是生物技术,
904	and it has become even more evident	越来越明显
905	that we need biotechnology right out there,	我们需要生物技术
906	given the fact that the COVID pandemic reminded us	鉴于COVID大流行提醒我们
907	that we got caught on the back foot.	我们被抓住在后脚。
908	And the fifth is financial technology.	第五是金融技术。
909	If you go to Kenya, you'll be surprised.	若去肯尼亚则惊.
910	They are perhaps unpowered or better	他们也许没有力量或更好
911	than most countries in the world	比世界上大多数国家
912	when it comes to the MPSR system,	当涉及到MPSR系统时,
913	which is actually powered up by Huawei	其实是华威的电源
914	and a few other companies back in 2008.	还有2008年的其他几家公司。
915	But the remarkable nature of cashless transactions	但无现金交易的显著性质
916	is quickly catching up in most of sub-Saharan Africa.	大多数撒哈拉以南非洲地区正在迅速赶上。
917	So, you know, when I look at this whole ecosystem,	所以,你知道,当我看着整个生态系统,
918	it therefore inspires me with a level of hope.	因此,它使我充满希望。
919	25 years in the U.N., and if you're seeing a level	在联合国呆了25年如果你看到一个等级
920	of energy and enthusiasm in me,	我充满活力和热情
921	it's because I've seen it on the ground,	因为我在地面上见过
922	not at Neo, not in Geneva, but on the ground.	不是在尼欧不是在日内瓦而是在地面上
923	So far, we've been able to...	到目前为止,我们已经...
924	So far, we are very careful to avoid a discussion	到目前为止,我们非常小心地避免讨论
925	a serious one about digital technology,	一个严肃的数字技术,
926	because the issue of decoupling China.	因为与中国脱钩的问题
927	I need to...	我必须...
928	We need to take a second look at this.	我们得再看看这个
929	Huawei 3 is barred, it's rejected.	华伟3被禁赛,被拒绝.
930	So will you, Sid, the ambassador,	你也一样,希德,大使,
931	show optimism that Google, Huawei,	显示乐观的谷歌,华伟,
932	Townsend, Alibaba are likely to come together?	汤森,阿里巴巴很可能会在一起吗?
933	May I have the benefit of doubt?	我可以怀疑一下吗?
934	The shadow of the Cold War is a sensitive issue,	冷战的阴影是一个敏感的问题,
935	but Professor Xie and Victor,	但谢教授和维克多,
936	what do you think of ideology?	你觉得意识形态如何?
937	Do you think China can be accepted	你认为中国可以被接受吗?
938	where we look at the sustainability of globalization?	我们如何看待全球化的可持续性?
939	Or do you think everyone is trying	或者你认为每个人都在尝试
940	to redefine globalization, Professor Xie?	为了重新定义全球化,谢教授?
941	I think that, first of all, I share, you know,	我认为,首先,我分享,你知道,
942	Sid's optimism about technology,	希德对科技的乐观
943	but I also agree with you that, indeed,	但我也同意你的观点,其实,
944	I think the nation states can serve as a way to,	我认为,民族国家可以作为一个途径,
945	in a way to promote the collaborations	以增进合作的方式
946	and technologies, but also can block the collaboration.	技术,但也能够阻碍合作。
947	So I think what the U.S. has done	所以我认为美国做了什么
948	by building on ideological divide,	通过扩大意识形态的鸿沟,
949	and actually has the potential to threaten,	并且实际上有可能威胁,
950	to disrupt the global supply chain,	扰乱全球供应链,
951	the global innovation systems,	全球创新体系,
952	and I think the potential cost for the world is huge.	我认为世界的潜在代价是巨大的。
953	So I think that that's where I think that, you know,	所以我想这就是我想,你知道,
954	we need to watch for and also to see	我们需要观察和观察
955	in what ways that can be changed.	怎样才能改变这一切
956	Otherwise, I think that, I think Victor has said that,	否则,我认为,我认为维克多说过,
957	you know, the costs, you know,	你知道,代价,你知道,
958	sort of the trade barriers, the cost of that	贸易障碍,成本
959	was, you know, bad by the U.S. general public,	是,你知道,坏美国公众,
960	but I think they disrupted the supply chain,	但我认为他们破坏了供应链,
961	the cost would be bad by the entire world population.	全世界人民将付出惨重的代价。
962	Victor, how likely will the global supply chain be sustained?	维克多,全球供应链能否维持下去?
963	Well, it depends on the time frame you are talking about,	那要看你说的时间范围
964	and it depends on China-U.S. relations.	这取决于中美关系
965	Why?	为什么?
966	Because you also mentioned ideology.	因为你也提到了意识形态
967	I think I have confidence in the American people	我想我对美国人民有信心
968	being a very pragmatic people,	作为一个非常务实的人,
969	and I think they are being hijacked by some politicians	我认为他们正被一些政客劫持
970	in the United States who really see China	在美国,谁真正看到中国
971	as a competitor or a rival, et cetera.	作为竞争者或竞争对手,等等。
972	Why?	为什么?
973	Because they want to remain	因为他们想留下来
974	the largest economy in the world.	是世界上最大的经济体
975	But then, if we talk about what we experience in nature,	但是,如果我们谈论我们经历的自然,
976	everything has its own momentum.	一切都有自己的动力。
977	I don't think anyone can stop China's continued development	我想没有人能阻止中国的持续发展
978	out of our hands, so I think one big thing	从我们的手中, 所以我想一件大事
979	that need to happen in the world of today	需要发生在当今世界
980	is for Washington to sooner or later conquer terms	是华盛顿迟早要征服条件
981	with the prospect and the imminent reality	未来和即将到来的现实
982	that China will have a larger economy than the United States.	中国的经济将比美国大
983	It may happen very soon.	这可能很快发生。
984	In five years or less than 10 years.	于五年或不足十年时.
985	So this is the time frame.	这就是时间范围。
986	Now, in this period of time,	现在,在这个时期,
987	and I'm afraid that in the coming four years or so,	恐怕在未来四年左右
988	it will get worse.	它会变得更糟。
989	Lots of people in Washington will start	华盛顿很多人会开始
990	worrying their heads off about the size of China	担心中国的大小
991	gaining upon the United States, et cetera.	获取美国,等等。
992	But eventually, see, there will be a crucial point	但最终,你看, 将有一个关键点
993	of no return.	无法返回。
994	When the Chinese economy surpasses that of the United States,	当中国经济超过美国时
995	and then in another 12 to 15 years,	再过12到15年
996	the size of the Chinese economy will be about twice	中国经济规模将达到两倍左右
997	as big as that of the United States.	和美国的一样大
998	By then, rest assured, America as a government,	那时,你放心,美国作为一个政府,
999	the American people as a people will mellow down.	美国人民作为一个民族将沉沦。
1000	They will accept a larger China as a matter of fact.	事实上,他们将接受一个更大的中国。
1001	They need to deal with China as a matter of fact.	他们需要把中国当作事实来处理.
1002	And China-U.S. relations will become more normalized.	而中美关系将变得更加正常化.
1003	There will be less hostility in Washington against China.	华盛顿对中国的敌意将会减少.
1004	And that will give rise to a better environment	这将带来一个更好的环境
1005	when the so-called ideology will be less important	当所谓的意识形态不再重要时
1006	and the diversification of technologies	技术的多样化
1007	between China and the United States	中美关系
1008	will be much less of an objective	更不会是一个目标
1009	for the United States to pursue.	让美国去追求
1010	And I think what the ambassador is talking about	我觉得大使说的是什么
1011	is that a more integrated world involving key areas	是这样一个更加一体化的世界,涉及关键领域
1012	of technology will eventually prevail.	技术最终将占上风。
1013	Mankind should always prefer to bring us back	人类总喜欢把我们带回来
1014	into the U.S.-China relationship.	进入美中关系.
1015	That's the key of everything we're talking about.	此是一切如来所说之关键.
1016	Some ice does matter, but why size cannot fit all.	有些冰块确实很重要,但为什么尺寸不能完全合适。
1017	Today, you may have discovered that we do enjoy	今天,你可能发现我们确实喜欢
1018	this broad spectrum of public opinions	这些广泛的公共舆论
1019	with the ambassador being a very good example of optimism.	大使是乐观主义的典范
1020	And he is the representative of the U.N.	他是联合国的代表。
1021	which hopes to bring all major economies together	希望把所有主要经济体聚集在一起
1022	for the same purpose of furthering	的同一目的,以推进
1023	or sustaining dynamic civilization.	或维持活跃的文明。
1024	I thank you so much for your very convincing	非常感谢你很有说服力
1025	informed opinions on the issue of multilateralism	关于多边主义问题的知情意见
1026	and the role of the United Nations,	以及联合国的作用,
1027	which of course need to be reformed	当然需要改革
1028	through collective effort.	通过集体努力。
1029	Next, I'm gonna give the floor to Carol	接下来我请卡罗尔发言
1030	(原始内容存档于2019-09-31). For the QQA session.
1031	Thank you to all of you and Mr. Yang.	感谢大家和杨先生.
1032	And now we're just gonna open up	现在,我们只是要去打开
1033	and please just raise your hands.	请举起手来
1034	This is sort of like a Yale, Harvard, or Princeton classroom.	这有点像耶鲁、哈佛或普林斯顿的教室。
1035	So yes, please, and please press on the microphone	所以请按下麦克风
1036	continuously to ask your question.	不断问你的问题。
1037	Hello.	哈罗
1038	And please introduce yourself very briefly	请您简单介绍一下
1039	and ask your question.	并问你的问题。
1040	Okay, hello everyone.	好了,大家好,你们好
1041	I'm a junior high school student for major.	我是高中生,为主修
1042	And thank you for your wonderful panel talking.	谢谢你的精彩演讲
1043	You really learned a lot.	你真的学到了很多东西。
1044	Well, my question is about the pragmatism	我的问题是关于实用主义
1045	of multilateralism.	多边主义。
1046	For me personally, multilateralism looks like	对我来说,多边主义看起来像
1047	and somehow utopian notion.	还有乌托邦的概念
1048	The idea of all for one and one for all.	普为一众生想.
1049	But we also see the huge gap between the ideal	但我们也看到了理想之间的巨大差距
1050	and the reality of unilateralism,	和单边主义的现实,
1051	the powerful discourse of populism,	民粹主义的有力言论,
1052	and generally the failure to realize	以及一般未能实现
1053	the long existing blueprint of the multilateralism.	长期存在的多边主义蓝图。
1054	So my question is twofold.	所以我的问题有两个
1055	First, in your opinion,	首先,在你看来,
1056	what hampers the full realization of multilateralism?	是什么阻碍了多边主义的充分实现?
1057	Is it information asymmetry, like a political will,	是信息不对称, 像政治意愿,
1058	or something else?	还是别的?
1059	And second, how should multilateralism itself evolve	第二,多边主义本身应如何演变?
1060	so that it will be more realistic?	这样会更现实吗?
1061	Thank you.	谢谢
1062	Very good question.	问得好
1063	So whom do you want to answer your question?	你想回答你的问题吗?
1064	Anyone?	有人吗?
1065	Anyone back here can answer this question?	有人能回答这个问题吗?
1066	Okay, I'll take a crack at it.	好吧,我会有一个裂缝。
1067	And it's a brilliant question.	而问妙法.
1068	And this is precisely what the kind of intellectual	这就是那种知识分子
1069	questioning that we need from young people	质疑我们需要年轻人
1070	who are going to be influencing the public policy space,	他们将影响公共政策空间,
1071	because finally you will be in that space soon,	因为最后你很快就会进入那个空间了
1072	not too far away, and 10, 15 years	不远,10,15年
1073	you will be making those decisions.	你将做出这些决定。
1074	You know, it is about nation-states,	你知道,这是关于民族国家,
1075	and it is about nation-states coming together	是关于民族国家的团结
1076	at a converging point.	在汇合点
1077	Just as we did in 1945 when the world came together	就像我们1945年世界走到一起一样
1078	after the two great wars.	在两次大战之后
1079	It is about political will at the outset.	首先是政治意愿。
1080	It is about people demanding that political will be in place	而是要求有政治意愿的人
1081	so that the world converges.	以便世界趋同。
1082	We have three imminent crises right in front of us.	我们面前有三个迫在眉睫的危机。
1083	Climate crisis, a health crisis, and an economic crisis,	气候危机、健康危机和经济危机,
1084	which we have to address collectively.	我们必须共同处理
1085	We can't do it, or each one can't do it on its own.	我们不能这样做,或者每个人都不能自己去做.
1086	China could do everything about its own climate,	中国对自己的气候可以做任何事
1087	but you can't do much about the climate in Mongolia	但蒙古的气候你却无能为力
1088	and elsewhere, so you continue to have the sandstorms.	和其他地方,所以你继续有沙暴。
1089	So you'll have to look at the climate in its entirety.	所以,你必须看整个气候。
1090	So the impact of climate of the US or Europe	美国或欧洲气候的影响
1091	is having an impact on what's happening in Africa	影响着非洲的情况
1092	or in the low island states, where more and more	或低岛屿国家,其中越来越多
1093	of global warming is causing sea rises,	全球变暖导致海平面上升,
1094	and there are islands which are disappearing.	有些岛屿正在消失
1095	So it's interconnected.	故曰互通.
1096	With that realization in mind, with just these three,	考虑到这个认识, 就这三,
1097	it's good enough for the whole world to come together,	足够让全世界走到一起
1098	because this is an existentialist crisis	因为这是存在主义危机
1099	which confronts everybody.	面对每个人。
1100	Nobody is safe until everybody is safe.	没有人是安全的,直到每个人都安全。
1101	Allow me to give a short edge on question.	请允许我简短地谈谈这个问题。
1102	It's a very important question.	这是一个非常重要的问题。
1103	I think, philosophically speaking,	我认为,哲学上,
1104	if you talk about unilateralism for the world,	如果你为世界谈论单边主义
1105	first of all, it's not realistic in the world of today.	首先,这在今天的世界里是不现实的.
1106	When will it become realistic?	什么时候才变得现实?
1107	I think it will be realistic if, for example,	我认为,如果,例如,
1108	the world really becomes a global village,	世界真的成为一个地球村,
1109	because that's the future trend for mankind,	因为这是人类未来的趋势
1110	to eventually, we all belong to the same global village.	最后,我们都属于同一个地球村。
1111	By then, multilateralism will be less important	到那时,多边主义就不那么重要了
1112	and less material, and unilateralism	和单边主义
1113	will probably be more important.	可能会更重要
1114	Now, in the world of today, if you have a repetition	现在,在今天的世界, 如果你有重复
1115	of the Trump administration which wants to put America	特朗普政府想要美国
1116	ahead of all the other countries,	超越一切其他国家,
1117	as if America first, meaning all the other countries	就像美国第一,意味着所有其他国家
1118	last and least, who wants to accept a world order like that?	最后,谁想接受这样的世界秩序?
1119	Any other country can say Britain first,	任何国家都可以先说英国
1120	or France first, et cetera.	或法国先,等等。
1121	That will be, by its nature, a world of disorder and chaos.	从本质上讲,这将是一个混乱和混乱的世界。
1122	So, I think multilateralism of today	所以,我认为今天的多边主义
1123	means, as the ambassador correctly said,	意思是,正如大使正确指出的那样,
1124	there are challenges which no single country	挑战没有单一的国家
1125	can handle on itself, for itself, or by itself.	能够自己,为自己,或自己处理.
1126	There are challenges which are challenges	有一些挑战是挑战
1127	for mankind as a whole, and all the countries,	为全人类和所有国家,
1128	people of all countries, need to be united	所有国家的人民,必须团结起来,
1129	to deal with these challenges.	迎接这些挑战。
1130	I always imagine if, for example,	我总是想,如果,比如,
1131	there will be an alien invasion of the Earth,	将会有外星人入侵地球
1132	then the world will suddenly and appropriately	然后世界会突然和适当
1133	become a global village, and multilateralism	成为全球村和多边主义
1134	will be out of the window, and unilateralism	将走出窗口,单边主义
1135	under one single united global leadership,	在一个统一的全球领导下,
1136	maybe under the United Nations, and at that time,	也许在联合国之下, 当时,
1137	maybe Sid will be the secretary general, who knows,	也许希德将成为总书记谁知道,
1138	will be the best way to deal with that menace.	这将是对付这种威胁的最佳办法。
1139	If you look up at the sky to see whether there is	如果你抬头看天空看有没有
1140	an alien invasion, it will be a bad thing,	外星入侵, 这将是坏事,
1141	but it may be the stimulus for unilateralism	但这可能是单边主义的刺激
1142	for mankind as a whole, but that may never happen.	对全人类来说,但这种情况可能永远不会发生。
1143	So, we need to live with the world today.	因此,我们需要与当今世界共存。
1144	We need to deal with multilateralism.	我们需要处理多边主义问题。
1145	That's the only right megatrend for mankind as a whole.	这是整个人类唯一正确的大趋势
1146	Don't try to do anything with unilateralism.	不要试图用单边主义做任何事情.
1147	That's a dead end, and I can say this to people in Beijing	死路一条,我可以对北京人说
1148	as much as I can say that to people in Washington,	只要我对华盛顿的人这么说
1149	and that's the only right thing for us to say.	这是我们唯一正确的说法。
1150	Thank you.	谢谢
1151	Are you saying that multilateralism	你是在说多边主义
1152	is in itself very realistic?	本身是否非常现实?
1153	Before the other two distinguished panelists	在另外两位杰出小组成员之前
1154	answer your question, I think multilateralism	回答你的问题,我认为多边主义
1155	is only realistic if you do not have political forces	只有没有政治力量,才是现实的
1156	like President Donald Trump, because otherwise,	像唐纳德·特朗普总统一样因为否则
1157	if these dangerous forces become the president	如果这些危险的势力成为总统
1158	of not a banana republic, but of the United States	不是香蕉共和国,而是美国
1159	of America, a permanent member of the Security Council	美利坚合众国,安全理事会常任理事国
1160	or the United Nations, that will be a recipe for disaster.	或联合国,这将是一场灾难。
1161	And I think people everywhere in the world,	我认为世界上所有的人,
1162	including everyone here in this hall,	包括在这个大厅里的所有人
1163	need to use our independent judgment	需要用我们的独立判断
1164	to tell the right from the wrongs	告诉对与错
1165	and to always make a contribution for better judgment	永远为更好的判断作出贡献
1166	and better science to guide everything we do.	更好的科学来指导我们的一切
1167	In that sense, I believe multilateralism	在这个意义上,我相信多边主义
1168	will be the only right thing, and I hope	将是唯一正确的事情,我希望
1169	when you get admitted to any one of the three schools,	当你被三所学校录取时
1170	and I hope it will start with a Y,	我希望从Y开始
1171	you will be a good inspiration for mankind as a whole.	你将是整个人类的灵感
1172	Thank you.	谢谢
1173	I think I wanted to pick up something from your question.	我想我想从你的问题中取点东西
1174	I think you mentioned by information asymmetry.	我想你提到的信息不对称。
1175	I think that's something that we have been missing	我想这是我们一直缺失的东西
1176	from this discussion.	从这次讨论。
1177	Why there's such a strong populism around the world?	为什么全世界都有如此强烈的民粹主义?
1178	Why this unilateralism and that?	为什么是单边主义?
1179	But I think because there are indeed a huge population	但我认为,因为确实有大量的人口
1180	in the U.S. and in many parts of the world	在美国和世界许多地区
1181	that really do not have the right image,	这真的没有正确的图像,
1182	right sort of analysis of what they call	他们所谓的正确分析
1183	the benefits of the multilateralism.	多边主义的好处。
1184	So I think that the one thing we should not forget	所以,我认为一件事我们不应该忘记
1185	about is the role of media in presenting the reality,	关于媒体在展现现实中的作用,
1186	the war, the story to the world.	战争,世界的故事。
1187	So I think actually, I think maybe it's a good time	所以我想,实际上,我想也许这是一个好时机
1188	for us to turn the table around and ask Ray a question.	让我们把桌子翻过来问雷一个问题
1189	How do you view the narratives	你怎么看待这些叙事
1190	that's been going on for many years?	这已经持续了很多年了?
1191	To what degree that those narratives actually poison	这些叙事究竟有多毒?
1192	the general public's mind on multilateralism?	一般公众对多边主义的看法?
1193	I think Victor has poisoned most of our minds	我觉得维克多已经毒害了我们大部分人
1194	by pointing his fingers to Donald Trump,	用手指指着唐纳德·特朗普
1195	who unfortunately represents grievances and complaints	不幸代表冤情和申诉的人
1196	of those white deplorables and rednecks	那些白人可悲和乡巴佬
1197	in the Midwest, Wisconsin for example,	比如在威斯康辛州的中西部
1198	those who have lost their jobs in the Midwest	在中西部失去工作的人
1199	and they're in their rust belt.	他们的锈带。
1200	Now this is not just a lonely island itself.	现在这不仅仅是孤岛本身
1201	It represents a mega trend of the middle class	代表着中产阶级的一大趋势
1202	whose jobs are being outsourced in the process	其工作在这一过程中被外包
1203	of globalization.	全球化。
1204	So by pointing our fingers to Donald Trump,	所以通过指向唐纳德·特朗普
1205	I think you're threatened to oversimplify global issue.	我想你被威胁要过度简化全球问题。
1206	So the narrative of globalization or multilateralism	因此,全球化或多边主义的叙述
1207	actually depends on how we deal with the job market.	实际上,取决于我们如何处理就业市场。
1208	Because hallmarks of globalization include	因为全球化的标志包括:
1209	free flow of ideas, capital, technology, human resources	思想、资本、技术、人力资源的自由流动
1210	or free movement of labor resources.	或劳动力资源的自由流动。
1211	Now if you continue to pin hopes on the role	如果你继续寄希望于这个角色
1212	of multilateral, the overseas multilaterals,	多边、海外多边、
1213	then those white deplorables will put yet another Donald Trump	然后那些白人的悲哀将会让唐纳德·特朗普再次出现
1214	into the White House next time, in the next campaign.	下一次进入白宫在下一次竞选中
1215	So your question on the issue of an evolving multilateralism	所以,你的问题关于一个不断发展的多边主义的问题
1216	actually depends on how we redefine globalization.	实际上,这取决于我们如何重新定义全球化。
1217	Now that's another question.	这是另一个问题。
1218	I'm not very optimistic about the gathering momentum	我对聚集的势头并不乐观
1219	of multilateralism because we see such formidable,	多边主义,因为我们看到如此可怕,
1220	detrimental force of unilateralism and tree protectionism	单边主义和树保护主义的有害影响
1221	in electoral politics.	在选举政治中。
1222	Now all economists live in a country like China	现在所有经济学家都生活在像中国这样的国家
1223	where political will of central government says everything.	在那里,中央政府的政治意志说一切。
1224	So competitive democracies, competitive politics	所以有竞争力的民主,有竞争力的政治
1225	will continue to deliver one Donald Trump after another.	唐纳德·特朗普会继续接踵而至
1226	And they are the black horses that will undermine	他们是将破坏的黑马
1227	definitely the process of globalization.	无疑是全球化进程。
1228	They are the crippling force.	它们是致命的力量。
1229	So I would say, and I have to put this straight up,	所以我会说, 我得把这个直上,
1230	that the United States still presents itself	美国仍然在展示自己
1231	as a beacon of hope for humanity without a doubt.	无疑是人类希望的灯塔。
1232	I mean a lot of who we are today was that	我的意思是,今天我们是谁
1233	those three years of that one year	那一年的三年时间
1234	that we did a graduate program, it opened up our windows,	我们做了一个研究生课程, 它打开了我们的窗户,
1235	our eyes to so many networks,	我们的眼睛如此众多的网络,
1236	it allowed us to interface, connect.	它让我们可以连接连接
1237	And I believe in every emphasis and in every feeling	我相信每一个重点和感觉
1238	within me that the China and the U.S.	我内心的中国和美国
1239	will be the global changers for global goals.	将推动全球目标的实现。
1240	They will reshape the global destiny of humanity.	它们将重新塑造人类的全球命运。
1241	So our conversation needs to be how do we make it work	所以,我们的对话需要如何使它工作
1242	rather than looking at all the pitfalls in our way.	而不是看着所有我们的方式的陷阱。
1243	And frankly, as the United Nations, I hope,	坦率地说,作为联合国,我希望,
1244	and together with all the alumni sitting here,	和所有校友一起坐在这里,
1245	that we could actually become those bridgeways,	我们可以成为那些桥道,
1246	that we could actually open up a new narrative	我们可以打开一个新的叙述
1247	which talks about convergence rather than conflict,	他们谈论的是趋同而不是冲突,
1248	that talks about dialogue rather than indeterminate,	谈论对话而不是不确定,
1249	talks about cooperation rather than frittering out	谈的是合作,而不是空谈
1250	into our different domains.	进入我们不同的领域。
1251	So I think this is where our opportunity really is,	所以我认为这是我们真正的机会所在
1252	is to converge together and to look at this relationship	即凝聚在一起,看这个关系
1253	because this relationship is not just important	因为这种关系不仅仅是重要的
1254	to China and America, this relationship is important	对中国和美国来说,这种关系很重要
1255	to the entire world.	给整个世界。
1256	Can I get a question from this side of the room?	能问个问题吗?
1257	We'll have you next.	下一个给你
1258	Thank you for this great learning experience.	谢谢你的学习经验
1259	I really appreciate all the talks given by these four	我真的很感谢这四个人的所有会谈
1260	distinguished speakers and moderator.	尊敬的发言者和主持人。
1261	So my question is, we have been talking about	所以我的问题是我们一直在谈论
1262	multilateralism in a very abstract way.	多边主义非常抽象。
1263	So I'd like to hear one example from each of you	所以我想听听你们每个人的例子
1264	to give one concrete example of multilateralism.	举一个多边主义的具体例子。
1265	And particularly for Ambassador, I'm wondering,	尤其是对于大使,我想知道,
1266	because we have this China-India border clashes recently,	因为我们最近发生了中印边境冲突
1267	if that issue is to be resolved	如果这个问题要得到解决
1268	under a multilateral framework,	在多边框架下,
1269	how would that, what is a concrete example of that?	怎样呢? 具体的例子是什么?
1270	Thank you.	谢谢
1271	I'll give you one example of the success of multilateralism.	我举一个例子来说明多边主义的成功。
1272	The eradication of smallpox at the height of a cold.	寒极时消灭天花.
1273	Many of the people were not even born at that time	当时很多人都还没出生
1274	when smallpox was around.	天花出现的时候
1275	And it was eradicated because all the major powers	它被消灭了因为所有的大国
1276	came together and said, we have to get rid of this disease.	走到一起说,我们必须消除这种疾病。
1277	And that was a good example of how multilateralism worked	这是多边主义如何运作的好例子
1278	when Russia, America, China, France, UK,	当俄罗斯,美国,中国,法国,英国,
1279	everybody came together with one common system.	每个人都有一个共同的制度。
1280	That is why I see the current pandemic as an opportunity	因此,我认为目前的流行病是一个机会。
1281	to go precisely that way.	正好走那边。
1282	I agree with the Ambassador.	我同意大使的意见。
1283	Allow me to mention another example.	请允许我再举一个例子。
1284	I was interviewed two days ago by BBC	我两天前接受BBC的采访
1285	about how China look at this proposed	关于中国如何看待这个建议
1286	international cooperation about the pandemic.	关于这一流行病的国际合作。
1287	And I said one thing,	我说一件事,
1288	and allow me to repeat that here for your benefit.	请允许我在此重复,以造福你。
1289	I said the world community need to come up with	我说国际社会需要想出
1290	better improved early warning system	改进预警系统
1291	before the outbreak of the pandemic.	在疫情爆发前
1292	Because we now already know that before the pandemic	因为我们已经知道在流行之前
1293	was reported in Wuhan, there were lots of instances	在武汉有报道, 有很多案例
1294	in different parts of the world,	在世界不同地区,
1295	which now with the benefit of hindsight,	以事后观察的结局盟誓,
1296	we can do the scientific research,	我们可以做科学研究,
1297	we can do the tracing back, and we suddenly knew,	我们可以追溯回来,我们突然知道,
1298	know that they were actually related to the COVID-19 virus.	知道他们实际上与COVID-19病毒有关.
1299	Now, if mankind had a better system	现在,如果人类有一个更好的系统
1300	to detect and report such cases in a timely way,	及时发现和报告此类案件,
1301	then mankind will be better prepared.	然后人类就会有更好的准备。
1302	And this cannot be done by any one country by itself.	任何一个国家自己都无法做到这一点。
1303	It need to have a global network,	它需要一个全球网络,
1304	international cooperation,	国际合作,
1305	sometimes seamless international cooperation	有时无缝的国际合作
1306	{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}为了实现这个目标
1307	That's multilateralism in the best sense of the word.	这是最好的多边主义。
1308	Thank you.	谢谢
1309	I was trying to find something,	我想找点什么
1310	but I couldn't find it here.	但我找不到它在这里。
1311	But basically, I think one example of multilateralism	但基本上,我认为多边主义的一个例子
1312	is the Lancet Commission on COVID-19	COVID-19的柳叶刀委员会
1313	and to which I'm a part of member.	而我是其中的一员
1314	So it's really, it's a huge expert network	所以,它是一个巨大的专家网络
1315	with people from around the world,	与世界各地的人,
1316	including people from the US, India, China,	包括来自美国、印度、中国、
1317	and people from Europe and so on.	以及来自欧洲等地的人
1318	So we've been sort of working on how actually	所以我们一直在研究
1319	the world can learn from the lessons of the COVID-19	世界可以从COVID-19中吸取教训
1320	and to develop systems better	并更好地开发系统
1321	to prepare for the next pandemic.	准备迎接下一个大流行病。
1322	And actually today, exactly today,	而实际上今天, 正是今天,
1323	now we actually just have a commentary published in Lancet.	现在我们在Lancet上发表了一篇评论
1324	So I'm trying to find it, but I couldn't find it now.	所以我想找到它但我现在找不到了
1325	But if you look at Lancet today,	但是如果你今天看柳叶刀
1326	there should be something from this commission.	应该有来自这个委员会的东西。
1327	Thank you so much for your, oh, can you hear me?	谢谢你,哦,你能听到我吗?
1328	Yes.	对
1329	Thank you so much for your very stunning speech.	谢谢你的精彩演讲
1330	And I'm both M.G., I'm a current student at Princeton,	我是普林斯顿大学的现任学生
1331	and next to me is also a new admit from Princeton,	我旁边还有普林斯顿的新承认
1332	so we're a Princeton group.	所以我们是普林斯顿集团
1333	So.	所以说 So.
1334	Four times.	诵四遍.
1335	Yeah, so my question is, as we all know,	是的,所以我的问题是,我们都知道,
1336	there are lots of differences,	有很多不同,
1337	especially like ideological differences	特别是意识形态的差异
1338	between China and the US in terms of our definitions	中国和美国之间的定义
1339	of human rights, of liberty, of all the kind of issues.	人权、自由、所有各类问题。
1340	And I'm wondering, especially I'm asking Siddique,	我想知道特别是我问西迪克
1341	I'm wondering whether the United Nations should play a role	我想知道联合国是否应该发挥作用
1342	in mitigating these political differences.	缓解这些政治分歧。
1343	And if so, how?	如果有,怎么办?
1344	Because recall that UN has once published	因为记得联合国曾经出版过
1345	this universal human rights declaration	《世界人权宣言》
1346	as a way to mitigate differences across the world.	作为缓解世界各地差异的方法。
1347	But many signed it, but actually very few implemented	但很多人都签了,但实际上很少执行
1348	to the full extent.	尽其所能。
1349	So I'm wondering, going forward	所以我想继续前进
1350	with this transformed UN model you proposed,	有了这个转变后的联合国模式你提出的,
1351	what kind of, whether we should play a role	什么样的,我们是否应该发挥作用
1352	in really solving this problem.	真正解决这个问题。
1353	Thanks.	谢谢
1354	The UN is as strong as the member states wanted to be.	联合国与成员国一样强大。
1355	And that's the bottom line.	且道是底义.
1356	And therefore, the role of China,	因此,中国的作用,
1357	the role of the United States, of Russia,	美国、俄罗斯、
1358	of the permanent five is going to be absolutely critical	5个常任理事国将绝对关键
1359	in making sure that the Secretary General	确保秘书长
1360	is not only given the tools to making sure	不仅获得工具来确保
1361	that the reforms and multilateralism work,	改革和多边主义行之有效,
1362	but given the authority to be able to do it.	但却被授权能够做到这一点。
1363	And that is where it stands strong.	这就是它坚挺的地方。
1364	That authority comes from member states.	这一权力来自会员国。
1365	People don't talk much about ASEAN.	人们很少谈论东盟.
1366	ASEAN is perhaps a Nobel Prize winning enterprise.	东盟也许是诺贝尔奖获得者。
1367	Nobody thought it could survive when it started.	没有人认为它能活下来当它开始。
1368	Everybody thought this organization	大家都以为这个组织
1369	was doomed to decline.	注定要失败的
1370	650 million people is what represents the ASEAN network.	6.5亿人是东盟网络的代表。
1371	And when you add China to that,	当你加入中国的时候,
1372	then you are talking at close to two billion people.	然后,你正在谈论接近20亿人。
1373	Massive market.	大规模市场。
1374	But ASEAN is a good model.	但东盟是一个很好的模式。
1375	There are many differences that are there	有很多不同之处
1376	between member states, but they know how to resolve it.	成员国之间,但他们知道如何解决这个问题。
1377	That is precisely the kind of United Nations we want at the moment.	这正是我们现在想要的那种联合国。
1378	Perhaps the ambassador said it's underestimated	也许大使说这是低估的
1379	the difficulties that we face in, for example,	我们所面临的困难,例如,
1380	addressing the issue of meeting powers.	讨论会议权力问题。
1381	The Permanent Five, P5, each of them has the power to veto.	五常,五常各有否决权.
1382	And therefore, we have the strong appeal	因此,我们强烈呼吁
1383	calling for abolition of the vetoing power.	要求废除否决权。
1384	So what do you make of the prospect of reforming	你对改革的前景有什么看法?
1385	the Security Council and putting aside their powers of veto?	并搁置其否决权?
1386	That is precisely why the Secretary of State said it's reforming.	这正是国务卿说改革的原因.
1387	At the same time, the UN is said to be a talking shop.	与此同时,据说联合国是一个谈话店。
1388	People discuss endlessly issues of importance.	人们无休止地讨论重要的问题。
1389	However, there's no possibility of finding a solution.	然而,找不到解决方案的可能性.
1390	So look at what happened during the Cold War	看看冷战期间发生了什么
1391	between the former Soviet Union and the United States	前苏联与美国间
1392	at this Security Council.	在安全理事会。
1393	It's always the exercise of vetoes.	总是行使否决权.
1394	I agree.	и種
1395	And that is why the UN has to be reformed.	这就是为什么必须改革联合国。
1396	The Security Council has to be resolved.	安全理事会必须得到解决。
1397	It's an absolute necessity.	这是绝对必要的。
1398	And I'm glad that China is speaking out	我很高兴中国能说出来
1399	about the importance and the renewal of multilateralism.	关于多边主义的重要性和革新。
1400	And one of that will be the reform of the Security Council	改革安全理事会将是其中之一。
1401	and the entire peace and security structure.	以及整个和平与安全结构。
1402	But what is most important here is that we actually	但这里最重要的是我们实际上
1403	have an opportunity that despite all the differences,	有机会,尽管所有的差异,
1404	there are children being immunized	有儿童接种疫苗
1405	in different parts of the world where actually we	在世界不同地区,我们在哪里
1406	are close to ending polio.	接近消灭小儿麻痹症。
1407	That's because of multilateralism working.	这是因为多边主义发挥作用。
1408	We are close, making sure that many, many countless children	我们很接近,确保很多,无数的儿童
1409	who were trapped in poverty and as child soldiers	被困在贫困之中和作为儿童兵
1410	are being lifted out of those situations.	正在摆脱这种局面。
1411	People are having better access to water,	人们有更好的水,
1412	better health, better education.	更好的健康,更好的教育。
1413	The world has improved.	世界已经改善。
1414	And that is because of multilateralism.	这是多边主义的结果。
1415	Had it not been there, it would not have happened.	如果没有它,它就不会发生。
1416	So essentially what this means is,	所以基本上,这意味着,
1417	can we now go to the next level of human prosperity	我们现在可以走向人类繁荣的下一个阶段了
1418	as I talked about the three crisis that we are confronted	当我谈到我们面对的三个危机时
1419	with, a health, an economic, and a climate crisis?	健康、经济和气候危机?
1420	We have to come together.	我们必须一起来。
1421	And this is where I feel the renewal of the UN system,	这就是我对联合国系统的更新的感受,
1422	the security structure, the Security Council,	安全理事会,
1423	all of it becomes absolutely critical.	这一切都变得绝对关键。
1424	So as we journey towards the 2030 agenda,	因此,在我们迈向2030年议程的过程中,
1425	this continues to happen.	这种情况仍在继续发生。
1426	Among all the uncertainties concerning the future	在与未来有关的所有不确定因素中
1427	of the United Nations, I believe that one promising job	我认为,这项有希望的工作是:
1428	that enlightens us about the prospects of the UN	启发我们了解联合国的前景
1429	is the use of blue helmet forces, the peacekeeping forces.	使用蓝盔部队,即维和部队。
1430	China is one of the P5 that contributes	中国是五常之一
1431	to most of the peacekeeping forces.	对大多数维和部队来说
1432	Yeah, so this is among all of the issues of one	是的,所以这是所有的问题之一
1433	that unites all of the P5 and members of the United Nations	团结五常和所有联合国会员国
1434	in sending out peacekeeping forces for peacemaking	派遣维和部队以促成和平
1435	and to ensure peace and stability in the impoverished area	确保贫困地区的和平与稳定
1436	and in the turbulent war-torn countries	在动荡的战乱国家
1437	such as Afghanistan, Cambodia, Haiti, you name it.	例如阿富汗、柬埔寨、海地,
1438	I come from China Foundation for Quality Innovation,	我来自中国质量创新基金会
1439	International Development Department.	国际发展部。
1440	So I studied from 2005,	所以我从2005年开始学习
1441	we are response to the Indonesian tsunami.	我们正在应对印度尼西亚海啸。
1442	So for the past 16 years,	所以在过去16年里
1443	we already implement projects in 16 countries.	我们已经在16个国家实施了项目。
1444	Now we have three overseas offices	现在有三个海外办事处
1445	in the People, Myanmar, and the East Asia.	在人民、缅甸和东亚。
1446	So we have raised 260 server media	因此,我们培养了260个服务器媒体
1447	and the benefit to 1.3 million people overseas.	并惠及130万海外居民。
1448	So what my question is,	所以,我的问题是,
1449	I want to get to the primary three parties' advice	我想听三党的意见
1450	because now China, the government already	因为现在中国,政府已经
1451	established the South-South Cooperation Funds	设立南南合作基金
1452	with the aim to help the developing country	帮助发展中国家
1453	achieve the SDG in the earliest time.	最早实现 SDG 。
1454	And they also encourage Chinese NGO sectors abroad.	他们还鼓励中国的非政府组织部门在国外。
1455	So we are encouraged to go abroad.	因此,鼓励我们出国。
1456	So we want to help the developing country	所以我们想帮助发展中国家
1457	to achieve the SDG in the earliest time.	最早实现 SDG.
1458	But the challenge is we have lack of the experience	但挑战是我们缺乏经验
1459	to work in the outside of China	在中国境外工作
1460	and we also lack of the knowledge	我们缺乏知识,
1461	of international rules, regulations, like that.	诸如此类的国际规则和条例。
1462	So I want to get your advice,	所以我想得到你的建议
1463	how to help the Chinese NGOs	如何帮助中国的非政府组织
1464	to get involved in the international development cooperation.	参与国际发展合作。
1465	My hope is to see many, many Chinese NGOs	我希望见到许多中国的非政府组织
1466	going out there, working with UNICEF,	在那里,与儿童基金会合作,
1467	working with UNESCO, working with UNDP,	与教科文组织合作,与开发署合作,
1468	because these are the kind of relationships	因为这是那种关系
1469	that we want to build.	我们想要建立。
1470	Like the United States has a Peace Corps.	就像美国有一支和平部队
1471	I call the Peace Corps the Marines of Humanitarian Action.	我称和平队为人道主义行动的海军陆战队。
1472	They've done outstanding work throughout the world.	他们在全世界都做了出色的工作.
1473	They've gone into the remotest villages.	他们进入了最偏远的村庄。
1474	I hope to see many more Chinese undergrad students	我希望能见到更多的中国毕业生
1475	getting out into the world over there,	进入世界在那里,
1476	interacting with people,	与人互动,
1477	because that is how you build people-to-people connection	因为这就是你如何构建人与人之间的联系
1478	and that is part of what I would term	这也是我所说的
1479	as humanitarian diplomacy,	作为人道主义外交,
1480	reaching out to people and communities	向人民和社区进行宣传
1481	and staying with them and doing this.	和他们在一起,并这样做。
1482	And by the way, many Chinese companies actually do that,	顺便说一句很多中国公司都这样做
1483	go and live and work in many of these places	在很多这些地方生活和工作
1484	where we are.	我们在哪里。
1485	For the civil society organizations such as OZ,	对于OZ等民间社会组织,
1486	it becomes even more important	它变得更重要
1487	that we see you much more active,	我们看到你更活跃,
1488	but also making sure that you're not doing it	还要保证你不会这么做
1489	out of a sense of charity.	从慈善的意义上说
1490	That's where the problem in Africa is.	这就是非洲的问题所在。
1491	It's been too charity-driven	这是太慈善的驱动力
1492	rather than really building up the capacity	而不是真正建立能力
1493	of society, and as a result,	因此,
1494	we keep them in a state of dependency.	我们让他们处于依赖状态
1495	There are many examples, South Sudan, Congo,	南苏丹、刚果、
1496	many of these places are constantly in fragile,	许多这些地方总是处于脆弱的,
1497	constantly in a state of dependency.	不断处于依赖状态。
1498	We have to change the development model.	我们必须改变发展模式。
1499	We need to rethink how we work with those communities.	我们需要重新考虑我们如何与这些社区合作。
1500	So therefore, partnerships again,	因此,再次建立伙伴关系,
1501	a multilateral approach at a country level	国家一级多边办法
1502	is going to be important.	这将是重要的。
1503	So I would really encourage your NGO	所以我会鼓励你的非政府组织
1504	getting that with Chin Chin.	和钦钦一起吃
1505	She's from UNICEF and she'll actually connect you	她来自儿童基金会她会联系你
1506	with the UNICEF offices there,	与儿童基金会驻那里的办事处,
1507	because they do a lot of work in building up the capacities	因为他们在建立能力方面做了很多工作
1508	of the community, or with Rinfei here who's from UNICEF.	或者和来自儿童基金会的林非一起
1509	They can actually help you with getting you up	他们可以帮你起床
1510	to those norms and standards	准则和标准
1511	and using you as a partner in that.	利用你作为合伙人
1512	That's precisely what I was going to say,	这就是我要说的,
1513	that probably join some sort of international network	可能加入某种国际网络
1514	and partner with some international organizations.	并与一些国际组织合作。
1515	But also, I think given that the said mention	但是,我认为,鉴于上面提到的
1516	about the capacity building,	关于能力建设,
1517	I wanted also to mention something	我也想提点事
1518	that I used to work for,	我曾经为他工作
1519	serve on the board of IDRC,	在国际发展研究中心董事会任职,
1520	Canadian International Development Agency.	加拿大国际开发署.
1521	I think that the IDRC is basically,	我认为IDRC基本上是,
1522	I think as an aid agency,	我认为作为一个援助机构,
1523	it's really supporting the research capabilities	它真的支持研究能力
1524	of developing countries.	(b) 与发展中国家有关的问题。
1525	So it's really sort of capacity building	所以这是真正的能力建设
1526	in developing countries.	在发展中国家。
1527	I think that's probably,	我觉得这也许,
1528	I think that you will get in much ways	我想你会得到很多方面
1529	a much more leverage of this money is spent,	这笔钱的杠杆作用要大得多
1530	and also having sustenance to impact in the globally.	也能够在全球产生影响。
1531	I think that's the way probably you can try to think about.	我想这是你可能试图思考的方式。
1532	In fact, you've just given me an idea,	事实上,你刚刚给了我一个想法,
1533	and you know, Rinfei and Xinxin,	你知道,林飞和辛欣,
1534	what we should be doing is looking at Chinese NGOs	我们应该做的是看中国的非政府组织
1535	that are planning to go abroad,	计划去国外,
1536	and let's work with them in building up their capacities here.	让我们和他们合作建立他们的能力。
1537	Let's give them the best advice and guidance	让我们给他们最好的建议和指导
1538	before you actually go.	在你真正离开之前
1539	So spend two to three months,	所以花两到三个月的时间
1540	we will make sure that across the UN system,	我们将确保在整个联合国系统,
1541	we will give you some lessons	我们会给你一些教训
1542	so that by the time you get there,	所以当你到达那里时
1543	we will also connect you with networks on the other side.	我们还会把你们连接到另一边的网络
1544	So that you can count on me,	这样你就可以指望我
1545	that you've actually given me an idea today.	你今天给我一个想法
1546	Well, actually, our time is up,	其实我们的时间到了
1547	but on that note, I just feel very optimistic	但从这一点来看,我只是觉得非常乐观
1548	and thrilled that the Yale Center of Beijing	并且对北京耶鲁中心感到兴奋
1549	has become a platform for ideas and conversations.	成为思想和对话的平台。
1550	And I want all of us to give a warm round of applause	我要大家热烈鼓掌
1551	to our audience, but especially our very distinguished guests	我们的观众, 特别是我们的贵宾
1552	and moderator for this conversation to be continued.	和主持人继续对话。
1553	Thank you.	谢谢
1554	Today.	今时.

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