古典音乐“破圈”社交媒体，他们是如何做到的？
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| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:05 | Welcome, my name is Devin. | 欢迎,我的名字是德文。 |
| 0:06 | I am the associate director here at Yale Center Beijing, normally | 我是耶鲁中心北京分局的副局长 |
| 0:10 | based in New Haven, but very lucky that I'm able to be here in Beijing to welcome our | 总部在纽黑文 但我很幸运能来北京欢迎我们 |
| 0:15 | guests today. | 今天有客人来 |
| 0:16 | For those of you guys that have never been to Yale Center Beijing, this is | 你们这些从未去过耶鲁中心的人, 这是 |
| 0:20 | now our 10th year in operation. | 现在,我们的10年运作。 |
| 0:22 | And we, our goal is to showcase all the many things that | 我们的目标是展示所有的东西 |
| 0:27 | happen at Yale and bring a piece of that here into China. | 在耶鲁发生, 并带来一块 在这里中国。 |
| 0:30 | So everything from music to drama | 从音乐到戏剧 |
| 0:33 | to science to art history, you name it, we do it. | 科学到艺术历史,你说它,我们做它。 |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Welcome, my name is Devin. | 欢迎,我的名字是德文。 |
| 2 | I am the associate director here at Yale Center Beijing, normally | 我是耶鲁中心北京分局的副局长 |
| 3 | based in New Haven, but very lucky that I'm able to be here in Beijing to welcome our | 总部在纽黑文 但我很幸运能来北京欢迎我们 |
| 4 | guests today. | 今天有客人来 |
| 5 | For those of you guys that have never been to Yale Center Beijing, this is | 你们这些从未去过耶鲁中心的人, 这是 |
| 6 | now our 10th year in operation. | 现在,我们的10年运作。 |
| 7 | And we, our goal is to showcase all the many things that | 我们的目标是展示所有的东西 |
| 8 | happen at Yale and bring a piece of that here into China. | 在耶鲁发生, 并带来一块 在这里中国。 |
| 9 | So everything from music to drama | 从音乐到戏剧 |
| 10 | to science to art history, you name it, we do it. | 科学到艺术历史,你说它,我们做它。 |
| 11 | And so we're very happy to have another | 所以我们很高兴再有一个 |
| 12 | edition of Sean hosting a fun music activity here. | 肖恩主持一个有趣的音乐活动 |
| 13 | I think it's very interesting that, | 我觉得很有意思 |
| 14 | at Yale, we try to bring knowledge for the good of humanity, and we try to disseminate | 在耶鲁,我们试图带来知识 为人类造福, 我们试图传播 |
| 15 | it to the public. | 给公众看 |
| 16 | And I think in many ways, that's very similar to what TwoSet does, where | 我觉得在许多方面, 这与TwoSet的工作非常相似, |
| 17 | they take something more ivory towerish with classical music and try to disseminate it | 他们用古典音乐来传播象牙味 |
| 18 | out to the general public. | 向大众公开。 |
| 19 | And so I think it's very fitting that they are here. | 所以我觉得他们在这里很合适。 |
| 20 | Another | 又一个 |
| 21 | fun piece of, I guess, trivia is they have been to Yale twice, both times as guests of | 有趣的一点,我想, Trivia是 他们去过耶鲁两次, 两次作为客人 |
| 22 | Timothy Dwight College 是耶鲁的一所寄宿学院 他们在那里表演 | |
| 23 | and talk. | 和说话。 |
| 24 | 我碰巧是Timothy Dwight学院的同学和前学生 | |
| 25 | And so | 这样 |
| 26 | I think it's quite 缘份 that I get to open this today. | 我觉得我今天可以打开这个 |
| 27 | And so I'm very happy and | 所以我很高兴 |
| 28 | excited that they are here at Yale for the third time, and kind of still doing a TD activity. | 很高兴他们第三次来到耶鲁 还在做TD活动 |
| 29 | So anyway, you're not here for me. | 所以,无论如何, 你在这里不是为了我。 |
| 30 | So I'm going to turn it over to Sean. | 所以我要把它交给肖恩。 |
| 31 | Sean is also | 肖恩也是一样 |
| 32 | Sean Moore is Yale School of Music alumni from 2013, I believe, also a amazing violinist, | 肖恩・摩尔是耶鲁音乐学院的校友 从2013年,我相信,也是一个惊人的小提琴家, |
| 33 | as well as has incredible Chinese. | 还有不可思议的中国人 |
| 34 | So I'm not going to embarrass myself by speaking | 所以我不会因为说话而丢脸 |
| 35 | Chinese in front of him, because he has better Chinese than I do. | 他面前的中国人,因为他有比我更好的中国人. |
| 36 | So without further ado, | 所以不用再多说了 |
| 37 | Sean, why don't you get us started? | 肖恩,你为什么不让我们开始? |
| 38 | Thank you so much. | 非常感谢 |
| 39 | Hello, everybody. | 哈罗,大家好。 |
| 40 | How are you doing? | 你好吗? |
| 41 | You said violin. | 你说小提琴。 |
| 42 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 43 | So I want to first just say a few words also about the organization of | 因此,我首先要说几句话 关于组织 |
| 44 | this wonderful event. | 这个美妙的事件。 |
| 45 | Thank you, first of all, to the Yale Center. | 首先,谢谢你去耶鲁中心 |
| 46 | It's always fun to organize here. | 在这里组织起来总是很有趣的. |
| 47 | And to some music society who are responsible for organizing this tour that they're on | 对那些负责组织这次巡回演出的音乐社团来说 |
| 48 | that's bringing them here to Beijing. | 把他们带到北京 |
| 49 | And I want also to say, sorry, got my notes. | 我还要说,对不起,我收到了我的笔记。 |
| 50 | I'm a little | 我有点 |
| 51 | nervous too, actually. | 其实也很紧张 |
| 52 | Everyone here is a violinist? | 大家都是小提琴家吗? |
| 53 | No? | 是吗? |
| 54 | We can tell viola jokes? | 我们可以告诉viola笑话? |
| 55 | No. | 没有 |
| 56 | We can always tell viola jokes. | 我们可以总是告诉viola笑话。 |
| 57 | I want to first, because we're going to be live streaming this whole event. | 我想先说,因为我们要直播 整个事件。 |
| 58 | All right. | 好吧,我们走。 |
| 59 | So I'm | ┮и琌 |
| 60 | going to say a few things in Chinese, and then we'll go in English. | 再用中文说几句话 然后我们用英语 |
| 61 | English. | 英语。 |
| 62 | So first, because | 所以首先 因为 |
| 63 | some friends are watching in the live broadcast room, so I want to first say that our today's | 有些朋友在直播室看 所以我想先说我们今天的节目 |
| 64 | event will be held in English. | 活动将以英语进行。 |
| 65 | But if you have any questions, you can ask them in the comment section. | 但是,如果你有任何问题,你可以在评论部分问. |
| 66 | And then we'll have a Q&A session. | 然后我们会有一个QQA会议。 |
| 67 | At that time, we can summarize some of the questions. | 届时,我们可以总结一些问题。 |
| 68 | This Chinese is better than ours. | 这中国人比我们的好 |
| 69 | I think my Chinese might be better than my English at this point. | 我觉得现在我的中文可能比我的英文好 |
| 70 | So at that time, we can translate your questions and let them answer them. | 在那时,我们可以翻译你的问题,让他们回答。 |
| 71 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 72 | So without any further ado, let's get a warm round of applause again for Twoset Violin | 因此,不做任何进一步的, 让我们得到热烈的掌声 再次为双赛特维奥林 |
| 73 | and Shuangxin Jia. | 和顺信佳. |
| 74 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 75 | So I want to start with, since this is an academic setting and | 所以,我想首先,因为 这是一个学术背景和 |
| 76 | a very serious discussion about music, classical music in today's world, I feel like | 关于音乐,古典音乐的严肃讨论 在当今世界,我觉得 |
| 77 | legacy organizations have had such a difficult time bringing the younger generation into | 传统组织在将年轻一代纳入 |
| 78 | the concert hall listening to music. | 音乐厅听音乐。 |
| 79 | So I feel like the powers that be in the classical world | 所以我觉得自己是古典世界的力量 |
| 80 | should give you both an honorary degree or something. | 应该给你一个荣誉学位什么的。 |
| 81 | You've brought so many younger people, | 你带了这么多年轻人 |
| 82 | you've brought them to classical music and showed them it is not this dry, stuffy thing with a bow | 你带他们去古典音乐馆 给他们看的不是这个干燥的,用弓的 |
| 83 | tie. | 领带。 |
| 84 | It can't be fun on stage. | 舞台上不可能有乐趣 |
| 85 | And via that, really showing them the wonderful world that it | 通过它,真正给他们展示 美好的世界,它 |
| 86 | can describe for us. | 可以为我们描述。 |
| 87 | So I thought I'd start by just asking you a little bit about how | 所以我想先问你一下 |
| 88 | your journey got started with the channel. | 你的旅程从频道开始 |
| 89 | How did this all begin? | 这一切是怎么开始的? |
| 90 | What were you thinking then? | 你当时在想什么? |
| 91 | Did you think you would get this far? | 你以为你会走这么远吗? |
| 92 | Well, I mean, I think 20 years ago, | 嗯,我的意思是,我认为20年前, |
| 93 | we had this master plan already all laid out. | 我们已经制定了这个总计划。 |
| 94 | We're like, classical music, we're going to | 我们喜欢,古典音乐,我们要去 |
| 95 | disseminate it into the public, starting with this video posted in 2019. | 向公众传播,从2019年张贴的这段视频开始. |
| 96 | Honestly, | 说实话 |
| 97 | I think when we first started, it was, we're just having fun. | 我想我们刚开始的时候 我们只是玩玩而已 |
| 98 | We were, it was around 10 years ago, | 我们是,那是大约十年前, |
| 99 | or 11. | 或11个。 |
| 100 | And it was towards the end of our university degree. | 我们的大学学位即将结束。 |
| 101 | So we're kind of at that point where we | 所以,我们有点 到我们 |
| 102 | have to think about getting a job. | 要考虑找份工作 |
| 103 | Yeah, exactly. | 没错 |
| 104 | Do you want to get a job or do you want to, you | 你想找份工作还是想找份工作? |
| 105 | maybe do some more studying. | 也许做一些更多的研究。 |
| 106 | And I think at the time, with the different options we have seen, | 我想,在当时, 有不同的选择,我们已经看到, |
| 107 | also around the time that I think Oppa Gangnam Style was the first YouTube video to hit a billion | 大约在我觉得Oppa江南风格 是第一个YouTube视频 点击十亿 |
| 108 | views. | 视图。 |
| 109 | And so I think we were having a discussion and we thought it would just be funny. | 所以,我想我们有一个讨论 我们觉得那只是很有趣。 |
| 110 | I just try | 我只是试试 |
| 111 | it because we're kind of like messing around as well. | 因为我们也一样乱搞 |
| 112 | Just why don't we try making some fun | 只是我们为什么不试着找点乐子 |
| 113 | videos about violin and see where that takes us. | 有关小提琴的视频 看看那会带我们去哪 |
| 114 | And I remember for the first year, it took us like | 我记得第一年,我们像 |
| 115 | nowhere. | 没有 |
| 116 | I mean, we've got maybe like 100 views on all our videos for my friends and family, | 我的意思是,我们也许有100 浏览 我们所有的视频 为我的朋友和家人, |
| 117 | which is super supportive of. | 超级支持。 |
| 118 | But I think, you know, about one year in, we hit our first viral | 但我想,你知道,大约一年后, 我们打我们的第一个病毒 |
| 119 | video. | 视频。 |
| 120 | It was actually a short that we posted on Facebook. | 这其实是我们在Facebook上张贴的短片。 |
| 121 | But I think to say that we kind of | 但我想说,我们有点 |
| 122 | planned ahead of time, how we were going to go about doing this, I think that's giving | 计划提前,我们打算如何去 做到这一点,我认为这是给 |
| 123 | ourselves way too much credit. | 我们的功劳太高了 |
| 124 | We didn't really know, but what we did learn in this process, | 我们真的不知道, 但我们在这个过程中学到了什么, |
| 125 | actually, we were very surprised is that we discovered because our shorts videos were kind | 其实,我们很惊讶的是,我们发现 因为我们的短片视频是善良的 |
| 126 | of just goofing around. | 胡说八道 |
| 127 | And it was at the time where, like you said, classical music still had | 就像你说的 古典音乐仍然流行 |
| 128 | a very, I mean, it still does today, like a very traditional prestigious reputation. | 一个非常,我的意思是,它仍然是今天, 像一个非常传统的名声。 |
| 129 | And this idea | 这个想法 |
| 130 | that every time you perform on stage, you have to be perfect. | 当你在舞台上表演的时候 你必须完美无缺 |
| 131 | That you practice so much behind the | 你从后面练这么多 |
| 132 | so you present that perfect top 1% performance that you can give. | 因此,你展现了完美的顶级1%的性能,你可以给出。 |
| 133 | And I think that's a beautiful | 我认为这是美丽的 |
| 134 | thing. | 东西。 |
| 135 | But you know, with that comes this idea of like, I remember my teacher being like, oh, | 但你知道,随着这个想法的到来, 我还记得我的老师就像,哦, |
| 136 | there's this one musician that played two notes out of tune, and he was never invited back to | 有个音乐家演奏了两首曲子 他从未被邀请回来 |
| 137 | the city to perform for 10 years. | 这个城市要表演十年 |
| 138 | And so it's kind of scary, right. | 所以有点吓人,对吗? |
| 139 | But then when we made these | 但是当我们做了这些 |
| 140 | videos, we were kind of goofing around, we played out of tune, we didn't make the best sounds. | 视频,我们有点胡闹, 我们玩出调子, 我们没有做出最好的声音。 |
| 141 | But | 不过 |
| 142 | we were really surprised that there was this big online community of people that related. | 我们感到非常惊讶的是, 有一个庞大的在线社区 与人有关。 |
| 143 | And I think that was this cool discovery, also, in a way, like a sigh of relief, like, wow, there's | 我认为这是一个很酷的发现, 在某种程度上,就像一口气解脱, 像,哇,有 |
| 144 | so many people around this world that think the same way, they're going through the same journey, | 世界上有很多人想着同样的方法 他们正在经历同样的旅程 |
| 145 | and they feel the same things that we do. | 他们和我们一样有感觉 |
| 146 | And so even from the beginning, it has always felt like | 所以,即使从一开始,它一直感觉 |
| 147 | we were just really cool and lucky to stumble upon this community. | 我们只是真的很酷和幸运 偶然在这个社区。 |
| 148 | And it was always about | 它总是关于 |
| 149 | kind of sharing. | 一种分享。 |
| 150 | And as we shared amongst our community, I think more and more people will | 当我们在社区里分享, 我认为越来越多的人会 |
| 151 | kind of come in and be like, oh, so that's what it's like to be a musician. | 那种进来 和喜欢,哦, 所以这就是它的感觉 作为一个音乐家。 |
| 152 | I mean, we see the | 我的意思是,我们看到 |
| 153 | perfect stuff on stage, but oh, this is what it's like in a practice room when you practice the same | 舞台上最完美的东西,但哦,这是它是什么样子 在练习室 当你练习同样的 |
| 154 | shift 20 times, you can't get into that kind of feeling, right. | 转20次,你不能 进入那种感觉,对不对? |
| 155 | And I think, yeah, that's kind | 我觉得,是的,这是善良的 |
| 156 | of been what we've really been passionate about doing, just kind of sharing with the world, | 我们一直热衷于做一些事情 和世界分享 |
| 157 | a different side of classical music to, I guess, invite people in. | 古典音乐的一面, 我想,邀请人们进来。 |
| 158 | I mean, there are already a lot | 我的意思是,已经有很多 |
| 159 | of institutions that educate classical music very well, from like a theoretical perspective, but | 古典音乐教育非常良好的机构, 从理论的角度,但 |
| 160 | kind of more introducing everyone into the, I guess, the family and the community and be like, | 一种更多的介绍 每个人都进入,我想, 家庭和社区,就像, |
| 161 | this is what it's like, and we are all human. | 我们都是人类 |
| 162 | At the end of the day, you know, many of us do | 在一天结束时,你知道,我们很多人都这样做 |
| 163 | turn on Spotify, and there's, you know, pop music there as well. | 打开Spotify, 那里也有流行音乐。 |
| 164 | You know, it's not like we're | 你知道,这不是像我们 |
| 165 | listening necessarily. | 一定要听着 |
| 166 | I mean, I know Brett doesn't listen to pop music, but yeah. | 我知道Brett不听流行音乐 但是是的 |
| 167 | Is that a dirty secret? | 这是一个肮脏的秘密吗? |
| 168 | I mean, people know he's pretty illiterate. | 人们知道他是文盲 |
| 169 | I listen to it. | 我听着 |
| 170 | It's just playing a grandpa. | 这只是扮演一个爷爷。 |
| 171 | Yeah, I'm a grandpa. | 是的,我是一个爷爷。 |
| 172 | Yeah, I listen to it, | 是啊,我听它, |
| 173 | but I don't actively go. | 但我不积极去。 |
| 174 | So does that mean, so your process, is it really kind of just, | 这是否意味着,所以你的过程, 它真的是那种, |
| 175 | you know, train of thought? | 你知道,思考的火车? |
| 176 | Like, what's what you're working on at the time? | 比如说,你当时在研究什么? |
| 177 | Or, | 或者说 |
| 178 | you know, how did you find it? | 或т |
| 179 | Or do you have a systematic process? | 还是你有一个系统的过程? |
| 180 | Or is it kind of just, | 还是只是... |
| 181 | you know, whatever you happen to be doing at the time, you find a way to share | 你知道,无论你碰巧做什么, 你找到一个方法分享 |
| 182 | the aspects that you do in your videos? | 在你的视频中你做的方面? |
| 183 | I think a lot of it's just drawn from real | 我觉得很多都是从真实的 |
| 184 | life experiences. | 生活经历。 |
| 185 | And with that, you can kind of come up with a lot of ideas. | 有了这个,你可以想出很多想法。 |
| 186 | And in fact, | 事实上, |
| 187 | we always talk about this, this kind of endless ideas. | 我们总是谈论这个, 这种无休止的想法。 |
| 188 | It's actually the filtering | 其实是过滤 |
| 189 | of ideas that's important as well, and the preparation of the ideas. | 和思想的准备。 |
| 190 | So we've kind of, | 所以我们有种, |
| 191 | yeah, when we first made these videos, it was the same though. | 是啊,当我们第一次制作这些视频, 虽然它是相同的。 |
| 192 | I thought we were weird. | 我觉得我们很奇怪。 |
| 193 | And then when the videos got views, we realized there are a lot of weird people out there too. | 然后当视频获得观看时,我们意识到那里也有很多怪人. |
| 194 | They'll watch. | 他们会看的 |
| 195 | I'm like, oh, cool. | 我很喜欢,哦,酷。 |
| 196 | We're not the only ones. | 我们不是唯一的 |
| 197 | But it's kind of, it was a nice | 但它是一种, 这是一个很好的 |
| 198 | feeling. | 感觉 |
| 199 | And the process was just think about like, okay, this is kind of what works for us is | 整个过程就是在想,好吧, 这对我们来说是可行的 |
| 200 | drawing our real life experiences. | 描绘我们真实的生活经历 |
| 201 | What other experiences do we have can we think about | 我们还有什么其他经验 |
| 202 | that we could show online and relate to more people? | 我们可以在网上展示 并与更多的人有关联? |
| 203 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 204 | Are you fans of some like, classic, classical comedy folks like Victor Borga? | 你们是Victor Borga这种经典喜剧的粉丝吗? |
| 205 | Oh, yeah, like I saw some of his videos. | 哦,是的,就像我看到了一些他的视频。 |
| 206 | Honestly, I didn't discover him until later. | 老实说,我直到后来才发现他 |
| 207 | And I was like, no way, I wish I saw this earlier. | 我当时想,没有办法, 我希望我看到这个早些时候。 |
| 208 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 209 | Those of you who don't know, he's I guess in the 40s, maybe. | 你们这些不知道的人,我猜他大概四十多岁了 |
| 210 | Yeah, from I think, was it Finland? | 是的,我认为,是芬兰? |
| 211 | Maybe originally. | 也许最初。 |
| 212 | Anyway, he's emigrated to the US. | 总之,他移民到美国了 |
| 213 | If you haven't seen his videos, you check them | 如果你没看到他的视频,你检查一下 |
| 214 | out. | 出来。 |
| 215 | Pianist and does amazing musical comedy. | 钢琴家和做惊人的音乐喜剧。 |
| 216 | So they're unwittingly at the time continuing | 所以他们当时不知不觉地继续 |
| 217 | a fine tradition of musical comedy. | 音乐喜剧的优良传统 |
| 218 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 219 | So that's really interesting. | 所以这真的很有趣。 |
| 220 | I mean, | 我是说... |
| 221 | I'm curious, like, I love the videos, you know, the themes like the Ling Ling, | 我很好奇,喜欢的视频, 你知道,主题 像玲珑, |
| 222 | you know, or 40 hours a day, right? | 一天40小时,对吧? |
| 223 | You know, I think we can all any of us in the audience who | 你知道,我想我们可以 我们所有人在观众谁 |
| 224 | have learned an instrument or are learning an instrument can really like empathize, right? | 已经学会了乐器 或正在学习 乐器可以真正喜欢 同情,对不对? |
| 225 | When | 何时 |
| 226 | we have stories like that. | 我们有这样的故事。 |
| 227 | So how do you think about, you know, music education or music in | 所以,你如何思考,你知道, 音乐教育或音乐在 |
| 228 | general for folks, even if they're not going to make a career out of it? | 将军为人们, 即使他们不打算 做一个职业生涯吗? |
| 229 | Because we all went | 因为我们都去了 |
| 230 | through that as children. | 童年时期 |
| 231 | And now you've managed to make a wonderful career. | 现在,你成功地创造了一个美好的事业。 |
| 232 | But are there things | 但有东西 |
| 233 | about learning music that you might want to share in general, like thoughts about how it can enrich | 关于学习音乐,你可能想要 分享在一般, 像想法如何丰富 |
| 234 | your life? | 你的生活吗? |
| 235 | Yeah, I mean, I can talk a bit about that. | 是啊,我的意思是,我可以谈 关于这一点。 |
| 236 | So I think, I mean, specifically classical | 所以我想,我的意思是,特别古典 |
| 237 | music is apparently I don't listen to pop. | 音乐显然我不听流行。 |
| 238 | But I think classical music, it's, of course, besides, | 但我认为古典音乐, 当然,此外, |
| 239 | you know, the beauty of brings history and all that stuff. | 你知道,美丽的 带来历史和所有的东西。 |
| 240 | Through practicing, we learn a lot of | 通过练习,我们学到了很多 |
| 241 | values, actually. | 价值,其实。 |
| 242 | So basic values, such as hard work, and kind of going on stage and having the | 所以基本价值观,比如勤奋工作, 和那种在舞台上和拥有 |
| 243 | courage to do things, even though you make a mistake, it's okay. | 虽然你犯了错误,但还是有勇气去做事情 |
| 244 | I feel like the going through | 我感觉就像经历 |
| 245 | that phase, especially in our teenage years was really, really important. | 那个阶段,特别是在我们青少年时代, 是非常重要的。 |
| 246 | It also taught us a lot | 也教了我们很多 |
| 247 | of things like, you know, you know, you hear all these stories like perseverance, it's actually | 比如,你知道,你知道, 你听到所有这些故事 像坚韧不拔, |
| 248 | true. | 没错 |
| 249 | Because classical music is not something that comes by that easily. | 因为古典音乐不是那么容易产生的 |
| 250 | We can't just pick up | 我们不能只是拿起 |
| 251 | the violin and play a concerto within a week. | 小提琴和演奏协奏曲 在一个星期内。 |
| 252 | You literally have to spend years. | 你要花很多年时间 |
| 253 | And it's also a | 这也是 |
| 254 | test of patience. | 测试耐心。 |
| 255 | And that's something we've also learned. | 这也是我们学到的 |
| 256 | Along the way, it's kind of stumbled | 沿途都有点颠倒 |
| 257 | across that these are the values that classical music brings that we take to our daily lives, | 这些是古典音乐给我们日常生活带来的价值, |
| 258 | and we, you know, choose how to live our life as well. | 我们,你知道,选择 如何过我们的生活。 |
| 259 | They're so eloquent. | 他们是如此雄辩。 |
| 260 | Wise words. | 智慧言语. |
| 261 | So jumping a little more to contemporary stuff. | 所以跳到一些当代的东西。 |
| 262 | We were talking backstage, this is your second time | 我们在后台聊天,这是你第二次 |
| 263 | to China? | 去中国? |
| 264 | That's our first tour here. | 这是我们第一次在这里巡演。 |
| 265 | First time for two set as a tour. | 第一次做两套作为巡回演出. |
| 266 | So I'm really curious, | 所以,我真的很好奇, |
| 267 | and I'm sure our audience would love to hear about how things have gone. | 我敢肯定,我们的观众会乐于听到 事情的发展。 |
| 268 | You've already had two | 你已经喝了两杯了 |
| 269 | concerts in Guangzhou and Shanghai. | 在广州和上海举办音乐会. |
| 270 | And yeah, let's, how was it? | 是的,让我们,怎么样? |
| 271 | Yeah, it was really good. | 是啊,这是真的很好。 |
| 272 | Brett learned some Shanghainese and some Cantonese. | 布莱特学了一些上海话和一些广东话. |
| 273 | What? | 你说什么? |
| 274 | What Shanghainese did you learn? | 你学到了什么? |
| 275 | You still remember? | 你还记得吗? |
| 276 | Can I say it here? | 我能在这里说吗? |
| 277 | I was like, uh, no, no, no. | 我当时就像,呃,不,不,不。 |
| 278 | I think it means like your brain | 我觉得这代表你的大脑 |
| 279 | is broken or something. | 被打破或东西。 |
| 280 | And can I just say, to be fair, like, throughout the whole show, my mind | 我可以说,公平点,就像,在整个演出中,我的思想 |
| 281 | was on trying to memorize that line. | 试图记住那句台词。 |
| 282 | And actually, after the show, I forgot the line. | 事实上,演出结束后,我忘了台词。 |
| 283 | And when we went | 当我们去的时候 |
| 284 | to get changed, I asked Eddie, and I was like, Eddie, it's like, no, no. | 换衣服,我问埃迪, 我很喜欢,埃迪, 它就像,不,不。 |
| 285 | Yeah, it's very stressful. | 对,压力很大 |
| 286 | I got it out eventually. | 我最终得到了它。 |
| 287 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 288 | That's great. | 赞曰. |
| 289 | I wish I could see that. | 真希望我能看见 |
| 290 | So classical music in China, | 所以古典音乐在中国, |
| 291 | I mean, I've been here now 10 years, and I feel like it's really developing very quickly. | 我的意思是,我已经在这里十年了, 我觉得它真的发展得很快。 |
| 292 | And it's | 这是 |
| 293 | a great future for it. | 一个伟大的未来。 |
| 294 | So, I mean, what have been your impressions of the audiences? | 你对观众的印象如何? |
| 295 | And have you | 还有你 |
| 296 | had a chance to interact with people? | 有机会和别人互动吗? |
| 297 | And how do you see, you know, the future performing | 你怎么知道,你知道,未来的表演 |
| 298 | for yourselves or for the industry here in China? | 为了你们自己还是为了中国的工业? |
| 299 | Bigger tour next year. | 明年的巡回演出要大一些 |
| 300 | Yeah, I think it's been | 是啊,我觉得它已经 |
| 301 | really pleasant. | 痷蔼砍 |
| 302 | I mean, wow, like, first of all, we do our shows in Chinese. | 我的意思是,哇,喜欢, 首先,我们做我们的节目 中文。 |
| 303 | So that is something | 所以,这是东西 |
| 304 | that is different, actually, because we're so used to kind of rifting and English and things like | 这不一样,实际上, 因为我们太习惯了 那种裂痕和英语之类的东西 |
| 305 | that. | 那个 |
| 306 | But we feel like the audience in China is very welcoming. | 但我们觉得中国的观众非常欢迎 |
| 307 | And it was kind of a sense of relief | 这是一种解脱的感觉 |
| 308 | when everyone kind of got in on the same jokes. | 所有人都在开玩笑 |
| 309 | So it's really cool. | 所以这真的很酷。 |
| 310 | And also, seeing this, | 还有,看到这个, |
| 311 | like, just the cities and like, especially in Guangzhou and Shanghai, we haven't seen much | 特别是广州和上海 我们没看到多少 |
| 312 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}北京还没到 | |
| 313 | But it's really, really beautiful. | 但它真的很,真的很美丽。 |
| 314 | Like, and also the food is really, really good. | 喜欢,还有,食物是 真的,真的很好。 |
| 315 | Like, really, really good. | 喜欢,真的,真的很好。 |
| 316 | And Mei Tuan is, of course. | 当然是美图安 |
| 317 | Yeah, dude. | 是啊,伙计。 |
| 318 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 319 | Oh, yeah, we've had | 哦,是的,我们有过 |
| 320 | bubble tea like 10 times already. | 泡茶已经十次了 |
| 321 | It's so convenient, too, right? | 这也太方便了吧? |
| 322 | The delivery is so cheap | 送货这么便宜 |
| 323 | and everything. | 和所有的东西。 |
| 324 | Yeah, everything is calm. | 是的,一切都平静。 |
| 325 | You know, when you order something, and in my mind, | 你知道,当你订购的东西, 在我心里, |
| 326 | oh, it might take one hour, two hours. | 哦,这可能需要一个小时,两个小时。 |
| 327 | I'll go do Kung Pao chicken. | 我去做功保鸡 |
| 328 | Kung Pao chicken, yeah. | 贡保鸡耶. |
| 329 | Yeah, yeah. | 对 对 |
| 330 | But then it's like, all of a sudden, it's already here in 10 minutes. | 突然间它就在这里了 |
| 331 | I was like, | 我当时想, |
| 332 | what? | 你说什么? |
| 333 | And they have like these cabinets where they leave it in and you like scan a code. | 他们喜欢这些柜子,放进去,你喜欢扫描密码。 |
| 334 | It's like the future. | 如未来际. |
| 335 | They deposit it in the box, right? | 放在盒子里,对吧? |
| 336 | Yeah, they put it in a box. | 是啊,他们把它放在一个盒子里。 |
| 337 | It's so crazy. | 太疯狂了 |
| 338 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 339 | Yeah, I wouldn't survive, I think, if I moved back to America and didn't have Weimai. | 是的,我想,如果我搬回美国 没有魏美,我就不会活下来了 |
| 340 | I don't know how to cook anymore, right? | 我不知道怎么煮饭了,对不对? |
| 341 | Yeah, but yeah, so far, like, it's been a really cool | 是啊,但是啊,到目前为止, 像,这是一个真的很酷 |
| 342 | experience. | 经验 |
| 343 | I wish we had more time. | 我希望我们有更多的时间。 |
| 344 | Like, it's obviously like on tour, we have to be kind of | 像,这显然是像 在巡演,我们必须是一种 |
| 345 | compact, kind of a touring schedule and everything. | 紧凑的,一种 旅游日程和一切。 |
| 346 | And the days of concerts are | 音乐会的日子是 |
| 347 | like just focusing and practicing, getting ready for the show. | 就像专注和练习 准备表演 |
| 348 | But we definitely want to be, | 但我们绝对想成为 |
| 349 | I definitely want to come back. | 我绝对想回来 |
| 350 | So we definitely want to come back. | 所以我们肯定想回来。 |
| 351 | So let's see more of the, | 让我们来看看更多的, |
| 352 | you know, everything in. | 你知道,所有的东西。 |
| 353 | Sure, everyone else wants you to come back as well, as soon as possible. | 当然,其他人都希望你尽快回来 |
| 354 | So jumping around a little bit, keeping it a little bit on the academic side until we | 所以跳来跳去, 保持一点点的学术方面,直到我们 |
| 355 | opened up for questions. | 打开的问题。 |
| 356 | And you'll get your chance, don't worry. | 你会有机会的 别担心 |
| 357 | I want to just hear a little | 我想听一点 |
| 358 | bit more about what you think about the, you know, role for social media and classical music | 更多关于你对社交媒体和古典音乐的角色的看法 |
| 359 | in general is. | 总的来说是。 |
| 360 | I mean, like, does every, should every classical musician have a social media | 我的意思是,像,做每一个, 如果每一个古典音乐家 有社交媒体 |
| 361 | channel, right? | 频道,对不对? |
| 362 | Like, is that a must do to reach audiences or how do you feel about that? | 喜欢,这是必须做的 接触观众 或者你有什么感觉? |
| 363 | That's a great question. | 问曰. |
| 364 | I think, I don't know if every classical musician needs to have social | 我觉得,我不知道 每个古典音乐家需要社交 |
| 365 | media. | 媒体。 |
| 366 | I think social media is just a way to communicate with people. | 我认为社交媒体只是与人沟通的一种方式. |
| 367 | At the end of the day, | 临终时. |
| 368 | it is people to people, right? | 这是人对人,对不对? |
| 369 | And it's, it's just different. | 且道,只是不同而已. |
| 370 | You know, back in the day, | 你知道,从前, |
| 371 | you wrote letters, and then, then they invented the telephone and this internet can email, | 然后他们发明了电话 这个网络可以发电子邮件 |
| 372 | whatever way that you can build relationships with people. | 无论你如何与人建立关系 |
| 373 | And social media is just in today's day | 社交媒体就在今天 |
| 374 | and age, one very powerful tool. | 和年龄, 一个非常强大的工具。 |
| 375 | But I definitely don't think it is the only way. | 但我肯定不认为这是唯一的办法。 |
| 376 | And yeah, I don't | 是的,我没有 |
| 377 | I think, I guess one good thing about social media is that in some ways, it's made it more | 我觉得社交媒体的优点是 在某些方面,它使它变得更好 |
| 378 | accessible for most people was back in the day, I can imagine, you know, to get onto traditional | 对大多数人来说,是回到过去, 我可以想象,你知道,进入传统 |
| 379 | media, there might be more like, gatekeeping figures, they have to build relationships, | 媒体,可能有更多的像, 门卫数字, 他们必须建立关系, |
| 380 | and only through that, you know, I hear stories, I don't know, I hear stories about like, in the | 只有通过这个,你知道, 我听到的故事, 我不知道,我听到的故事喜欢, |
| 381 | past, like, you know, people can get their career blocked, because distribution channels, whereas | 过去,就像,你知道,人们可以 得到他们的职业生涯封堵, 因为发行渠道,而 |
| 382 | today, with social media, you can have a more one to one direct relationship with the audience | 今天,有了社交媒体,你可以 与观众有一个多到一个直接的关系 |
| 383 | directly. | 直接说 |
| 384 | I think that's a really cool thing. | 我觉得这真的很酷 |
| 385 | You can really manage the building of your own | 你可以管理你自己的建筑 |
| 386 | audience without an intermediary. | 观众没有中间人。 |
| 387 | So it's a yeah, I mean, you could argue the social media platform | 所以,这是一个是的,我的意思是, 你可以争论 社交媒体平台 |
| 388 | is still an intermediary. | 还是个中间人 |
| 389 | So you are still, you know, they do control a bit of the communication | 所以,你仍然,你知道, 他们确实控制了一点点的通信 |
| 390 | channel. | 频道. |
| 391 | But compared to traditional media, it does open up a lot more opportunities. | 但与传统媒体相比,它确实提供了更多的机会。 |
| 392 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 393 | Do you like performing more or doing videos more? | 你喜欢多表演还是做视频? |
| 394 | Okay, I will say I love being on stage and playing that feeling is just that adrenaline | 好吧,我会说我喜欢上台 演奏那种感觉只是肾上腺素 |
| 395 | and that in the moment, and the live audience being there, I think is really exhilarating. | 此刻,现场观众在场,我觉得非常振奋人心。 |
| 396 | You can feel the kind of that even though it's like us performing, there's definitely a two way | 你可以感觉到那种 尽管它就像我们表演, 肯定有两种方式 |
| 397 | kind of energy that happens, right. | 那种能量发生,正确的。 |
| 398 | But I just, I hate the traveling. | 但我讨厌旅行 |
| 399 | Traveling just kills me, | 旅行只是杀了我, |
| 400 | going onto planes and like security, all that. | 登上飞机,像安全,所有这一切。 |
| 401 | So I don't know, like, I guess filming at home is | 所以,我不知道,喜欢, 我想在家里拍摄是 |
| 402 | like, you're just in the comfort of your home, you can switch the camera. | 就像,你只是在舒适的家里, 你可以切换相机。 |
| 403 | And if you say something | 如果你说什么 |
| 404 | wrong, you can like edit it out. | 错了,你可以喜欢编辑出来。 |
| 405 | Unlike this live stream, I'm like nervous, I will say something | 不像现在这样,我很紧张,我会说点什么 |
| 406 | wrong. | 错 |
| 407 | But you know, so yeah, both have their pros and cons here. | 但你知道,所以是的, 他们的利弊都在这里。 |
| 408 | Which one do you like more? | 你喜欢哪个? |
| 409 | Both. | 两个都一样 |
| 410 | So diplomatic. | 这么外交 |
| 411 | I think it's just really great to see what you guys have done to be, you know, such a like a | 我认为这是真的很好 看到你们做了什么, 你知道,这样的一个 |
| 412 | cultural bridge even, you know, I mean, we say music is a cultural bridge already, right. | 甚至文化桥梁,你知道, 我的意思是,我们说,音乐 已经是一个文化桥梁,对不对。 |
| 413 | But | 不过 |
| 414 | like being able to then bring it across to other generations, because it's just such a challenge, | 就像能把它带到其他几代人身上一样 因为那只是个挑战 |
| 415 | you know, these composers have been dead for so long. | 这些作曲家都死了很久了 |
| 416 | The things they were talking about, | 他们谈论的事情, |
| 417 | nobody remembers, right. | 没人记得,对吗? |
| 418 | So I think it's, I really appreciate, you know, how you can make | 所以我觉得,我真的很感激,你知道,你是如何做到的 |
| 419 | it relatable. | 令人高兴 |
| 420 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 421 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 422 | That wasn't a question. | 这不是一个问题。 |
| 423 | Sorry. | 对不起 |
| 424 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 425 | I think we want to open it up now to some audience questions. | 我想我们现在想向观众提问 |
| 426 | I'm sure you've all come | 你们一定都来了 |
| 427 | with a lot of things to ask. | 有很多事情要问 |
| 428 | Why don't we start with you? | 我们为什么不从你开始? |
| 429 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 430 | So, you know, like AI and VR has been a big thing these days with like Chap 2PD and stuff. | 所以,你知道,像AI和VR 已经是一个大事情 现在与像第2PD之类的东西。 |
| 431 | How do you guys see AI in transforming what you do? | 你们如何看待AI 改变你们的工作? |
| 432 | Like turning followers into a live audience | 就像把追随者变成现场观众 |
| 433 | members? | 成员? |
| 434 | I definitely feel like I'm in Yale right now. | 我现在感觉自己在耶鲁大学 |
| 435 | I'm not used to that kind of question. | 我不习惯这样的问题。 |
| 436 | What was the last one? | 最后一个是什么? |
| 437 | How do you see AI in something about followers? | 你怎么看AI 关于追随者的东西? |
| 438 | Sorry. | 对不起 |
| 439 | Maybe you go to the next slide. | 也许你去下一张幻灯片。 |
| 440 | People wear like the app. | 人们穿得像应用程序。 |
| 441 | So like technology development, AI, how does it affect, how will it affect what you do? | 就像技术发展,AI,它会怎样影响,它会怎样影响你的工作? |
| 442 | I think it's interesting. | 我觉得很有趣 |
| 443 | I think, I mean, I love the excitement of innovation. | 我觉得,我的意思是,我喜欢创新的刺激。 |
| 444 | I love that frontier | 我喜欢那个边界 |
| 445 | where people see the possibilities. | 在那里人们看到了可能性。 |
| 446 | I think a big part of what we always try to do within ourselves | 我认为我们经常在自己内部 努力做的事情很重要 |
| 447 | is to always question assumptions and try to think of new ways. | 总是质疑假设 试着想出新的方法 |
| 448 | It's funny you mentioned | 你说的很有趣 |
| 449 | earlier about process because, yeah, there is a creative process, but part of being creative is | 之前关于过程,因为,是的,有一个创造性的过程, 但部分创造性是 |
| 450 | also destroying that process and constantly rebirthing. | 还摧毁了这个过程,并不断重生。 |
| 451 | Because, like you said, technology | 因为,就像你说的,科技 |
| 452 | makes the old rules, you know, you have to figure out what principles to apply and which rules no | 使旧规则,你知道,你必须 找出适用的原则 和哪些规则不 |
| 453 | longer relevant, right? | 更相关,对不对? |
| 454 | I think at the same time with these things, there's often a lot of hype | 我同时认为,这些东西, 经常有很多杂音 |
| 455 | surrounding it and it becomes one of those like the hype is about the hype rather than about the | 环绕它,它成为其中之一 喜欢的韵母是 关于韵母,而不是关于 |
| 456 | product itself. | 产品本身。 |
| 457 | And so I think I'm personally very excited and I'm going to admit a little | 所以我认为我个人非常兴奋 我要承认一点 |
| 458 | bit scared as well to see how things unfold. | 有点害怕看到事情的发展。 |
| 459 | I don't know, but I think, yeah, right now a lot | 我不知道,但我觉得,是的,现在很多 |
| 460 | of it is hard to see. | 很难看见 |
| 461 | Like there's a lot of people can see what the future might look like, | 很多人可以看到未来的样子 |
| 462 | but a lot of it right now is still kind of just like ideas, if that makes sense, right? | 但是现在很多事情还是有点像想法, 如果这有道理,对不对? |
| 463 | And yeah, | 没错, |
| 464 | it's like the internet.com boom as well. | 这就像互联网的热门。 |
| 465 | Like so many, everyone just wanted to add .com behind to | 和很多人一样,每个人都想加入.com |
| 466 | like make themselves feel like they're the future, but what are the actual, when the time passes, | 就像让自己觉得自己是未来 但当时间流逝时 |
| 467 | how's it really going to integrate with our lives and make it for the better? | 怎样才能真正融入我们的生活,让生活变得更好? |
| 468 | Yeah, I'll just add, I mean, a lot of people have asked us this and literally the conversation | 是啊,我只是补充,我的意思是,很多人 问我们这个和字面上的对话 |
| 469 | happens like every time. | 每次都这样 |
| 470 | And I don't know anything about AI, but I also know a lot of people also | 我对AI一无所知 但我也认识很多人 |
| 471 | don't know anything about AI. | 对AI一无所知. |
| 472 | So right, like they say, oh, AI is this AI. | 所以,正如他们说的,哦,AI是这个AI。 |
| 473 | I was like, | 我当时想, |
| 474 | do you know what it is? | 你知道这是什么吗? |
| 475 | They're like, yeah, yeah, it does this for you. | 他们就像,是的,是的, 它这样做给你。 |
| 476 | I'm like, | 我很喜欢, |
| 477 | okay, but how does it do that? | 好吧,但是它是如何做到这一点的? |
| 478 | So I think because of that, it becomes what kind of just having what | 所以我想,因为这个, 它会变成什么类型的 只是拥有什么 |
| 479 | you said, the hype just becomes the hype itself, right? | 你说, 胡言乱语只是变成胡言乱语本身,对不对? |
| 480 | And what, and then the question is, | 什么,然后问题是, |
| 481 | what does it actually bring? | 这能带来什么? |
| 482 | Now talking back to classical music, I don't know. | 现在回到古典音乐,我不知道。 |
| 483 | I feel like | 我觉得 |
| 484 | we did explain AI with kind of writing pop music. | 我们用写流行音乐来解释AI |
| 485 | I'm sorry if I missed it, | 对不起,如果我错过它, |
| 486 | but have you done a video about it? | 你拍过视频吗? |
| 487 | Yeah, we kind of talked, we put some prompts in and | 是的,我们聊过,我们放一些提示 |
| 488 | it was quite convincing. | 很有说服力 |
| 489 | Like it's kind of already there. | 好像它已经在那里了 |
| 490 | But for classical music, I think it's still | 但是对于古典音乐,我觉得还是 |
| 491 | a long way to go. | 很远的路要走 |
| 492 | I can't explain it right. | 我无法解释 |
| 493 | There's still a lot of intricacies that. | 仍然有许多错综复杂的问题。 |
| 494 | Well, yeah, I mean, I don't know. | 嗯,是的,我是说,我不知道。 |
| 495 | We only explore certain AI and we don't know the training data | 我们只探索某些人工智能 而我们不知道训练数据 |
| 496 | it was on. | 开着呢 |
| 497 | It's possible that a different AI that trains on classical music could compose classical | 另一种在古典音乐上训练的人工智能 有可能编曲古典主义 |
| 498 | music. | 音乐 |
| 499 | We didn't try that one out. | 我们没有尝试过。 |
| 500 | So we don't know. | 所以我们不知道。 |
| 501 | I think, yeah, I mean, even then though, | 我想,是的,我的意思是,即使那样, |
| 502 | it's like, that would raise the question of what is music, right? | 就像,那会提出 什么是音乐的问题,对不对? |
| 503 | Which is interesting. | 这很有趣。 |
| 504 | I think that is something that a lot of creators and artists are kind of | 我认为这是很多创作者和艺术家 喜欢的东西 |
| 505 | existentially grappling with. | 与现实斗争 |
| 506 | I think, thankfully, I've not yet heard any AI play | 谢天谢地,我还没有听到任何AI的演奏 |
| 507 | violin really well, thankfully. | 小提琴真的很好,谢天谢地。 |
| 508 | But I don't know. | 却不知. |
| 509 | Yeah, I think, but somehow, | 是的,我想,但不知怎么的, |
| 510 | look, I don't want to say anything at that time stamp myself like Eddie's made this prediction | 你看,我不想说什么 在那个时候,我戳自己 像埃迪做了这个预测 |
| 511 | in 2024. | 2024年时. |
| 512 | But like, I mean, you see a lot like pop music people creating like fake songs with | 但喜欢,我的意思是,你看到很多 像流行音乐的人 创作像假歌 |
| 513 | Drake's voice. | 德雷克的声音。 |
| 514 | And they sound pretty convincing. | 听起来很有说服力 |
| 515 | But doesn't mean Drake's out of a job right now, | 但并不意味着德雷克现在失业了 |
| 516 | right? | 对吧? |
| 517 | Like people still gravitate. | 就像人们仍然重力。 |
| 518 | I mean, I think ultimately, like I said, it's human connections, | 我的意思是,我认为最终, 就像我说的, 这是人类的联系, |
| 519 | and we still gravitate to each other. | 我们仍然互相吸引 |
| 520 | But look, I don't know, I can't make an educated answer for | 但你看,我不知道, 我不能做一个有教养的答案 |
| 521 | you on that. | 说吧 |
| 522 | Unfortunately, short answers, we don't know. | 不幸的是,简短的答案,我们不知道。 |
| 523 | But wonderful question. | 但问题很好 |
| 524 | Wonderful | 厉害 |
| 525 | question. | 问题。 |
| 526 | Back there in the white shirt. | 后着白衣. |
| 527 | Oh, that's for you. | 哦,这是给你的。 |
| 528 | Oh, yeah, I think I want to | 哦,是的,我觉得我想 |
| 529 | play Brahms violin concerto. | 演奏勃拉姆斯小提琴协奏曲. |
| 530 | So I've been learning it now. | 所以我已经学会了 |
| 531 | Practicing it. | 练习一下 |
| 532 | Get out there and hit the | 出来打 |
| 533 | subscribe button. | 订阅按钮 。 |
| 534 | We'll have a question from over here. | 我们再问一个问题 |
| 535 | Yes. | 对 |
| 536 | First of all, I want to say thank you | 首先,我想说谢谢你 |
| 537 | so much. | 这么多。 |
| 538 | Why? | 为什么? |
| 539 | Because I have an eight year old boy. | 因为我有个八岁的男孩 |
| 540 | He's been practicing violin for like four | 他练小提琴有四个 |
| 541 | years. | 岁月 |
| 542 | So when he first got started, you know, parents, we have to be his company for this kind | 所以,当他刚开始,你知道,父母, 我们必须成为他的公司 这种类型的 |
| 543 | of torturing procedure, as you know. | 折磨程序,你知道的。 |
| 544 | So I subscribe to your channel. | 所以我订阅你的频道。 |
| 545 | My son does not understand the | иㄠぃ罙秆 |
| 546 | contents at all. | 内容 。 |
| 547 | He doesn't understand the Linlin joke, but I can understand. | 他不明白林林的笑话 但我能理解 |
| 548 | So thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 549 | Thank | 谢谢 |
| 550 | you so much. | 你这么多。 |
| 551 | So you make us as survivor for this kind of very fierce competition. | 所以你让我们成为这种激烈竞争的幸存者。 |
| 552 | So I have two | 所以我有两个 |
| 553 | questions. | 问题。 |
| 554 | One is for my son. | 一个是给我儿子的 |
| 555 | The second is for myself, for my own curiosity. | 第二个是为我自己,为我自己的好奇心。 |
| 556 | The very first one | 第一个 |
| 557 | I want to ask, you joke about Linlin practice like every single day for their alone period of time. | 我想问,你开玩笑说林林的练习 像每天,他们单独的时间。 |
| 558 | But what's your idea, like practicing hours per day as a violin student? | 但是,你有什么想法, 像每天练习的时间 作为一个小提琴学生? |
| 559 | That's for my son, | 这是给我儿子的 |
| 560 | obviously. | 很明显 |
| 561 | Second question for myself. | 我问第二个问题 |
| 562 | I'm always very curious because I'm a very sensitive person. | 我总是很好奇 因为我是一个非常敏感的人。 |
| 563 | Like I read every single review from my students. | 就像我读了我学生的每篇评论 |
| 564 | I'm a law professor by the way. | 顺便说一句,我是法学教授。 |
| 565 | So I teach | 所以我教书 |
| 566 | international law. | 国际法。 |
| 567 | So I review every single student's comments from my students' feedback | 所以,我回顾每个学生的反馈 |
| 568 | forums. | 论坛。 |
| 569 | So sometimes they wrote something really harsh. | 所以有时他们写一些非常严酷的东西。 |
| 570 | I sometimes read something really harsh | 我有时读一些很严酷的东西 |
| 571 | 关于你的评论, 你的频道,和你的YouTube频道 是billy -billy。 | |
| 572 | And I think they're horrible. | 我觉得他们很可怕 |
| 573 | But how can you cope with all this kind of negative feedbacks? | 但你怎么应付这种负面反馈? |
| 574 | So that's my curiosity. | 这就是我的好奇心。 |
| 575 | I just cry by myself with Brett. | 我只是一个人和Brett哭。 |
| 576 | I just cry and drink bubble tea. | 我只是哭着喝泡泡茶 |
| 577 | Actually, they're really great questions. | 其实,他们真的是很好的问题。 |
| 578 | Thank you for asking that. | 谢谢你这么问 |
| 579 | I think we can talk about | 我想我们可以谈谈 |
| 580 | the first one first. | 第一个 |
| 581 | Just tips on ideal practicing hours. | 只是关于理想的练习时间的提示。 |
| 582 | How old is your son? | 你儿子几岁了? |
| 583 | Eight. | 八个。 |
| 584 | Do you have any guidelines about how much eight-year-olds should practice? | 你对八岁小孩应该练习多少有什么指导吗? |
| 585 | Wow, congratulations. | 哇,祝贺你。 |
| 586 | We should be asking him. | 我们应该问他。 |
| 587 | I feel like it was from a great teacher we talked | 我觉得是一位伟大的老师说的 |
| 588 | to and he said, for kids, we shouldn't really be focusing so much about technique. | 和他说,对于孩子们, 我们不应该真的 专注于技术。 |
| 589 | It's actually, | 其实 |
| 590 | the most important thing is making it fun and also making them believe that they can do it. | 最重要的是让它有趣 也让他们相信他们能做到 |
| 591 | Because as soon as that stops, everything stops. | 因为一旦停止一切就停止了 |
| 592 | That will stop everything. | 这会阻止一切。 |
| 593 | And so that was very | 所以这是非常的 |
| 594 | interesting. | 有趣,你喜欢我 |
| 595 | As an adult, it's different. | 如是成人则不同. |
| 596 | As an adult, the process is everything, kind of like | 作为一个成年人,这个过程就是一切,就像 |
| 597 | vibrato, bow, contact point. | 维布拉托 弓箭 联系点 |
| 598 | It's methodical because we develop that. | 这是有条理的,因为我们发展了它。 |
| 599 | We need those guidelines. | 我们需要这些指导方针。 |
| 600 | But as a kid, it's really to make us have that belief that they can do it. | 但作为一个孩子,这真的让我们相信 他们能做到。 |
| 601 | And the teacher really | 老师真的 |
| 602 | gives them basic, they don't have to have perfect technique, but as long as they pick it up and keep | 给他们基础, 他们不必有完美的技术, 但只要他们捡起来并保持 |
| 603 | going, eventually they'll come. | 最终他们会来的 |
| 604 | And that's kind of, it was really good. | 这是种,这是真的很好。 |
| 605 | I really liked it. | 我真的很喜欢 |
| 606 | I wasn't so focused about getting playing the right notes and getting the right stroke right. | 我没有那么专注于 发挥正确的音符 和正确的中风。 |
| 607 | Yeah, I think that's a good point. | 是啊,我觉得这是个好主意。 |
| 608 | I think, I remember the teacher said too, interestingly, | 我想 我记得老师也说过 有趣的是 |
| 609 | apparently, I don't know if it's true, but apparently if you do like certain kind of violin | 很明显,我不知道这是不是真的, 但显然如果你确实喜欢某种小提琴 |
| 610 | training when you're young, just kind of simply by being exposed to music, | 年轻时就接受训练, 只是通过接触音乐, |
| 611 | especially like ear training, not so much like reading, but I think age goes like four to six, | 特别是耳朵训练, 不是那么喜欢阅读, 但我认为年龄是4到6, |
| 612 | like your chance of developing perfect pitch is apparently like 10x. | 就像你开发完美投球的机会 显然是10x。 |
| 613 | I heard that. | 我听说了 |
| 614 | I don't know | 我不知道,你觉得呢? |
| 615 | if it's true, but it's like this idea that when you're younger, you don't want to be too like | 如果这是真的,但就像这个想法 当你年轻,你不想太喜欢 |
| 616 | rationally thinking about it. | 理性地考虑一下 |
| 617 | It's more just exposing into the world of music, letting music | 它更只是暴露 在音乐的世界,让音乐 |
| 618 | develop your ears very naturally. | 自然地发展你的耳朵。 |
| 619 | I'm not a pedagogue, so I can't give you the most like | 我不是老师,所以我不能给你最喜欢的 |
| 620 | best answer. | 最好回答的问题。 |
| 621 | I would agree with Brett though. | 我同意布莱特的意见 |
| 622 | I think it's important to foster that emotional | 我认为培养这种情感很重要 |
| 623 | relationship with the instrument. | 与文书的关系。 |
| 624 | And part of that also can be with like surrounding like a | 其中一部分也可以像周围一样 |
| 625 | community. | 社区。 |
| 626 | I know for myself personally, once I met other young people that were passionate and | 我个人知道,一旦我遇到 其他的年轻人 热情和 |
| 627 | practiced, that naturally motivated me to practice more because I will see these other kids that | 练习过,这自然促使我练习更多 因为我会看到其他孩子 |
| 628 | practice so much and they're improving versus just having my mom always kind of tell me to | 练习得如此之多 他们正在进步 而不是让我妈一直告诉我 |
| 629 | practice more. | 更多练习。 |
| 630 | I was like, oh, come on. | 我就像,哦,来吧。 |
| 631 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 632 | And I think with time, it's tricky because I think in | 我想随着时间的流逝 这很棘手 因为我想 |
| 633 | many ways, ideally, it's not about time, right? | 很多方法,理想的, 它不是时间,对不对? |
| 634 | Like you want to, if your goal is to improve, | 就像你想的那样,如果你的目标是改进, |
| 635 | then the more you can improve with less time, it's actually better. | 时间越少,你就能改善,其实更好 |
| 636 | So the more quality practice. | 所以,质量越高的练习。 |
| 637 | And so that introduces a lot of factors like finding the right teacher for you, maybe finding | 因此,引入了很多因素 比如找到合适的老师给你,也许找 |
| 638 | is like an instrument issue, or there's a lot of different factors. | 就像一个仪器问题, 或者有很多不同的因素。 |
| 639 | But then I would also argue | 但我也会争辩 |
| 640 | if it's about enjoyment, because practice is also about enjoyment, then you shouldn't be too worried | 如果这是关于享受, 因为练习也是关于享受, 那么你不应该太担心 |
| 641 | about that. | 关于那个。 |
| 642 | And you should just kind of spend time with the instrument. | 你该花点时间来拿乐器 |
| 643 | I don't think I can give you | 我想我不能给你 |
| 644 | 40 hours or 41 hours. | 40小时或41小时 |
| 645 | It's a number, unfortunately. | 这是一个数字,不幸的是。 |
| 646 | But I do think though, time back to what Brett | 但我确实在想 回到布莱特 |
| 647 | said, being able to dedicate yourself something in a craft and pushing through when things are | 说,可以把自己的东西 在一个工艺 和推动,当事情是 |
| 648 | difficult is a beautiful character trait to build. | 困难是完美的人物特质 |
| 649 | The second question, I actually want to expand it | 第二个问题,我其实想扩充它 |
| 650 | a little bit because I feel like it also touches on something that every student of music also faces, | 一点点,因为我觉得它 也触及的东西 每个音乐的学生 也面临, |
| 651 | which is negativity about their performance. | 这对他们的表现是否定的。 |
| 652 | Especially if you're doing a very prominent | 特别是如果你做了一个非常突出的 |
| 653 | social media channel, you'll be subject to a lot of negativity. | 社交媒体频道,你会 受到很多消极的对待。 |
| 654 | But I think all of us, | 但我认为我们所有人, |
| 655 | especially students, first performances or competitions or anything, you get maybe not | 特别是学生,第一次表演或比赛什么的, 你得到也许不是 |
| 656 | necessarily personal negativity, but you have to deal with that attack in a way. | 一定是个人的消极态度, 但你必须用某种方式对付攻击。 |
| 657 | Or even if it's | 即使是 也一样 |
| 658 | just you yourself being self-critical. | 只有你自己是自我批评。 |
| 659 | I feel like those are kind of- | 我觉得这有点... |
| 660 | Yeah, that's a really good question. | 是啊,这是一个非常好的问题。 |
| 661 | I think I definitely struggled a lot with that when I | 我想,我确实挣扎了很多 当我 |
| 662 | was younger as well. | 年纪也很小 |
| 663 | I got a lot of stage anxiety. | 我有很多的舞台焦虑。 |
| 664 | I always get shaky. | 我总是发抖。 |
| 665 | And I feel like I would be my | 我觉得我会是我的 |
| 666 | own worst critic. | 自己最坏的批评者。 |
| 667 | Sometimes it was even to the point where people were like, hey, it was actually | 有时甚至到人们喜欢,嘿,其实是 |
| 668 | not that bad. | 没那么糟 |
| 669 | But I was like, I sounded so bad. | 但我说,我听起来很糟。 |
| 670 | I played so bad. | 我弹得那么差 |
| 671 | So sometimes it comes from within | 所以有时它来自内部 |
| 672 | as well. | 临Τ |
| 673 | I think there's so many different ways to think about this topic. | 我认为有这么多不同的方式来思考这个话题. |
| 674 | I guess one way | 我想只有一个办法 |
| 675 | I do think about it is, let's say, reading comments. | 我确实在想,比如,阅读评论。 |
| 676 | I try to consider. | 我试着考虑 |
| 677 | I think I personally love to | 我觉得我个人喜欢 |
| 678 | just see if something's true or not. | 看看是不是真话 |
| 679 | So even if something's uncomfortable, I try to consider | 所以即使有些事不舒服 我试着考虑 |
| 680 | if it is true. | 如果这是真的。 |
| 681 | And if it is, then I kind of think first of all, how can I take the beneficial things | 如果是这样的话,那么我首先会想, 我怎么能接受这些有益的东西呢? |
| 682 | out of this criticism and improve and be better? | 摆脱这种批评,改善和更好? |
| 683 | But then I feel like it's tricky because humans | 但我觉得这很棘手 因为人类 |
| 684 | are, as much as I like to think I'm very logical and objective, we aren't really built to be | 虽然我觉得我非常有逻辑和客观,但我们并没有真正成为 |
| 685 | unemotional robots either. | 不动的机器人。 |
| 686 | And so sometimes when you take in criticism that might be true, | 所以有时当你接受批评 可能是真的 |
| 687 | but if the surrounding package of that criticism makes you feel so incapable and disempowered, | 但是,如果周围的一揽子 批评让你觉得如此无能和失去权力, |
| 688 | you'll find that you actually aren't able to act on the things to improve yourself. | 你会发现你实际上 无法采取行动 改善自己。 |
| 689 | It's like, | 这就像, |
| 690 | okay, I know I need to do this to be better, but now I feel so bad about myself. | 好吧,我知道我需要这样做 要更好, 但现在我感觉如此糟糕自己。 |
| 691 | I don't believe | иぃ獺 |
| 692 | I can do that. | 我可以做到这一点。 |
| 693 | And so I'm not going to take the actions to be a better person. | 所以我不会做一个更好的人 |
| 694 | And so I think | 所以我觉得 |
| 695 | it's an interesting duality in my head where I try to objectively decide, okay, what are the things | 我脑子里有个有趣的二重性 我试着客观地决定 |
| 696 | that will make me improve? | 那会让我好起来吗? |
| 697 | And I always take that seriously because I love trying to be better in | 我总是很认真 因为我喜欢在 |
| 698 | everything I do. | 我所做的一切 都一样 |
| 699 | But then you kind of look at the emotional side and like, okay, now what do I need | 但你看着情绪的一面 喜欢,好吧,现在我需要什么 |
| 700 | to feel and believe in order to do those things? | 感受和相信这些事情? |
| 701 | Otherwise, I'm just going to know it logically, | 不然的话,我只能从逻辑上知道 |
| 702 | but I'm never going to have the strength and courage to do it, if that makes sense. | 但我永远不会有 力量和勇气做到这一点, 如果这有道理。 |
| 703 | Yeah, it's kind of like being on stage. | 是啊,这有点像在舞台上。 |
| 704 | We all know if you've done all your practice, it's fine, | 我们都知道,如果你做 你的所有练习,没关系, |
| 705 | but when you're on stage, your emotions are in the way. | 但当你在舞台上, 你的情绪是阻碍。 |
| 706 | You're like, and your nerves kick in. | 你就像, 你的神经兴奋。 |
| 707 | So it's | 所以这是 |
| 708 | kind of that factor. | 就是这样 |
| 709 | And trying not to read in comments, I like how you mentioned, | 尽量不要在评论中读, 我喜欢你提到的, |
| 710 | it's like a filter. | 就像过滤器 |
| 711 | It's like, well, in consideration of the environment, and also | 这就像,嗯,考虑到环境,还有 |
| 712 | trying to understand the person commenting, how they got the information is very important, | 试图理解评论者, 他们如何获得信息是非常重要的, |
| 713 | because they might not have all the information. | 因为他们可能没有全部信息 |
| 714 | So again, trying to break it apart, but let's | 所以,再次,试图打破它,但让我们 |
| 715 | not take it personally, because they don't know. | 因为他们不知道 |
| 716 | They're only making a decision based on what they | 他们只是凭着什么做决定 |
| 717 | have. | 有过 |
| 718 | Right? | 对吧? |
| 719 | And so that does help us kind of, okay, it's okay. | 所以,这确实帮助了我们 一些,好吧,没关系。 |
| 720 | We don't really know this person. | 我们不认识这个人 |
| 721 | They don't know the full picture. | 他们不知道全貌 |
| 722 | It's fine. | 没事 |
| 723 | It could be true or not. | 说不定是真的 |
| 724 | And then this whole filtering | 然后整个过滤 |
| 725 | process, and then gets to Eddie's point. | 过程,然后得到 埃迪的观点。 |
| 726 | It's like, well, if it is true, then how does it help us | 这就像,嗯,如果这是真的, 那么如何帮助我们 |
| 727 | become a better person? | 变成一个更好的人? |
| 728 | And that's something we try to do. | 这就是我们试图做的事情。 |
| 729 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 730 | Not easy. | 没那么容易 |
| 731 | I would also say too, like, it's easy to focus on the negative, but sometimes it's nice to | 我也会说,像,它容易 专注于负面,但有时它很好 |
| 732 | read the positive comments too, and remind yourself that there are the 90% of people that | 并提醒自己90%的人 |
| 733 | are really grateful and appreciate what you do, because it's so easy to like, just get caught up | 非常感激和欣赏你的工作, 因为很容易喜欢,只是抓住 |
| 734 | on like, the vocal 2%, and then forget that there are people. | 然后忘了有人在说话 |
| 735 | And sometimes it's just also like, | 有时它只是喜欢, |
| 736 | people come from different backgrounds, have different cultural expectations, and | 人们来自不同的背景, 有着不同的文化期望, |
| 737 | it's not the right fit. | 这不合时宜 |
| 738 | I don't think you necessarily have to or can even please 100% | 我想你没必要,甚至可以百分百取悦 |
| 739 | of the population. | 人口数量。 |
| 740 | So sometimes it's about finding those people that really | 所以有时候它是为了找到 那些真正 |
| 741 | do appreciate what you have to offer, and cherishing those rather than pleasing those | 欣赏你提供的东西 珍惜这些而不是取悦 |
| 742 | that might just, even if you give your all, they won't appreciate you anyway, right? | 就算你尽力了 他们也不会欣赏你的 对吧? |
| 743 | So yeah. | 对啊 |
| 744 | Nice. | 不错 |
| 745 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 746 | Great question. | 问得好 |
| 747 | Other question from this side? | 这边还有其他问题吗? |
| 748 | I'll put back there in the blue. | 我会放回去的蓝色。 |
| 749 | Hi, I've been watching your channel for a couple of years already. | 嗨,我已经看你们频道几年了 |
| 750 | I started watching it when I | 我开始看的时候 |
| 751 | was in high school, and now I've graduated from undergrad. | 高中毕业,现在我毕业了 |
| 752 | And then my question is, | 然后,我的问题是, |
| 753 | what is the one most unforgettable challenge you've overcome throughout the years you've | 你这些年来遇到的最难忘的挑战是什么? |
| 754 | running the channel? | 运行频道? |
| 755 | These yellow questions. | 这些黄色的问题。 |
| 756 | Light questions, yeah. | 轻问题,是的。 |
| 757 | Yeah, they really like to go | 是啊,他们真的很喜欢去 |
| 758 | deep here. | 这里很深 |
| 759 | The most challenging thing we've had since running this channel, is it? | 自从我们开这个频道以来 最有挑战性的事,是吗? |
| 760 | Okay, I think | 好吧,我觉得 |
| 761 | for me, it's definitely the transition from just being a musician and a violinist, to learning | 对我来说,这绝对是过渡 从只是音乐家和小提琴家, 到学习 |
| 762 | all the skills and leadership and management and team building required to run TwoSet. | 管理TwoSet所需的所有技能和领导以及管理和团队建设。 |
| 763 | Because we | 因为我们 |
| 764 | do have a team, it's impossible to do what we do with just the two of us. | 只有我们两个人是不可能做到的 |
| 765 | So we have a quite small | 所以,我们有一个相当小 |
| 766 | team, around 10 people. | 10个人左右 |
| 767 | And I think, yeah, coming from a music background, I mean, I guess our | 我想,是的,从音乐背景来看,我想我们 |
| 768 | exposure to teamwork was string quartet, chamber music. | 接触团队合作是弦乐四重奏,室乐. |
| 769 | But even then, I'm sure you know, | 但即使这样,我相信你知道, |
| 770 | the amount of trauma that happens in a string quartet. | 在弦乐四重奏中发生的创伤。 |
| 771 | But to go from there to like, learning | 但从那里去喜欢,学习 |
| 772 | to work with people has been a huge and amazing learning curve. | 与人合作 是一个巨大的和惊人的学习曲线。 |
| 773 | But it's been great. | 但这是伟大的。 |
| 774 | I think it's | 我觉得 |
| 775 | also been very challenging. | 也非常具有挑战性。 |
| 776 | I think we've grown a lot from it. | 我认为我们已经从它发展了很多。 |
| 777 | Yeah, I'll just add to that. | 是啊,我会只是加起来。 |
| 778 | I mean, | 我是说... |
| 779 | that's a very good one. | 这是一个非常好的。 |
| 780 | For me, it's more like, the most difficult thing is that there's so much | 对我来说,这更像是, 最困难的是,有这么多 |
| 781 | to learn. | 来学习。 |
| 782 | The more I learn, the more I realize, I don't know. | 我学得越多,我就越意识到,我不知道。 |
| 783 | That's kind of the crazy part. | 这有点疯狂 |
| 784 | And | 还有 |
| 785 | it's actually, yeah, it's like, dealing with uncertainty, it's kind of a trait in itself | 实际上,是的,它就像, 处理不确定性, 它是一种特性本身 |
| 786 | that we've developed. | 我们的发展。 |
| 787 | We were thrown in a deep end, kind of just seeing how things go. | 我们被扔到一个很深的尽头, 那种只是看看事情的发展。 |
| 788 | And actually, | 事实上, |
| 789 | tying it to musicians, I do think a lot of musicians could take something from that. | 和音乐家联系,我确实认为很多音乐家可以接受一些东西。 |
| 790 | Naturally, when we graduate, there's a lot of uncertainties. | 自然,当我们毕业时,有很多不确定因素. |
| 791 | Are we going to get a job? | 我们要找到工作吗? |
| 792 | Are | 对 |
| 793 | we going to do all these things? | 我们要做所有这些事情? |
| 794 | But this is part of it, actually. | 但其实这是其中的一部分。 |
| 795 | It's normal. | 寻常. |
| 796 | It's completely | 这是完全的 |
| 797 | normal to feel that and sense that. | 正常的感觉和感觉。 |
| 798 | And so that's always going to be there. | 所以,它总是会在那里。 |
| 799 | It's something that we | 是我们之间的事 |
| 800 | always go on with. | 总是继续。 |
| 801 | So dealing with uncertainty is something that, yeah, sorry. | 所以,处理不确定性 是,是的,对不起。 |
| 802 | I wanted to follow | 我想跟随你 |
| 803 | up on this question and your answers. | 关于这个问题和你的答案。 |
| 804 | I feel like, or do you think that education related to | 我觉得,或者你认为教育与 |
| 805 | what you're doing now should be part of a musician's education? | 你现在在做什么 应该成为音乐家教育的一部分? |
| 806 | Maybe not necessarily | 也许不一定 |
| 807 | building a social media channel, right? | 建立一个社交媒体频道,对不对? |
| 808 | But getting over some of the things you've just | 但是克服一些事情 你刚刚 |
| 809 | described, building a team, even if it's just for your concerts or things like that. | 建立一支团队 即使只是为了你的音乐会之类的事 |
| 810 | Because I feel | 因为我觉得 |
| 811 | like, I don't know what your experiences were in conservatory, but I don't feel like conservatory | 我不知道你在音乐学院的经历 但我不喜欢音乐学院 |
| 812 | taught that. | 教会了这一点。 |
| 813 | That's an interesting thought experiment. | 这是一个有趣的思想实验。 |
| 814 | I mean, you're the one at Yale. | 我的意思是,你是一个在耶鲁。 |
| 815 | What do you think? | 你觉得呢? |
| 816 | No, I just went to Yale. | 不,我只是去了耶鲁。 |
| 817 | I'm not. | 我没有。 |
| 818 | Yeah, I mean, I feel like teaching. | 是啊,我的意思是,我想教书。 |
| 819 | I mean, okay, let's not make it too big, right? | 我的意思是,好吧,让我们不要让它太大,对不对? |
| 820 | Do you feel like it would have been easier if | 你觉得如果... |
| 821 | you would have learned those skills as part of your education? | 作为教育的一部分 你会学到这些技能吗? |
| 822 | I actually think, I don't know | 我真的觉得,我不知道 |
| 823 | right or wrong, but my instinct is... | 对或错 但我的直觉是... |
| 824 | I think I know what you're gonna say. | 我想我知道你要说什么 |
| 825 | No, yeah. | 没有,是的。 |
| 826 | I think | 我觉得 |
| 827 | it's no. | 没有。 |
| 828 | Because by the time it's taught, then you've lost the ability to deal with uncertainty, | 因为当它被教授的时候, 然后你已经失去了处理不确定性的能力, |
| 829 | right? | 对吧? |
| 830 | So there's a kind of, you know, like that pressure makes a diamond. | 所以,有种,你知道, 像压力使钻石。 |
| 831 | There's this kind of | 有这样的 |
| 832 | thing that life teaches you a lesson when there are values that come to you and you kind of have | 生活给你一个教训 当有价值 降临到你和你有 |
| 833 | to grow with it. | 与它一起成长。 |
| 834 | If it's all spoon-fed to you, then naturally, I feel like most people won't take it | 如果这都是勺子喂你的,那么自然,我觉得大多数人不会接受 |
| 835 | at face value. | 以面值计算。 |
| 836 | Like performing, you can't really learn unless you're on the stage. | 喜欢表演,除非登台,否则不能真正学习. |
| 837 | Exactly. | 没错 |
| 838 | So | 这么说 |
| 839 | that's like half the practice is actually on stage. | 这就像一半的练习 实际上在舞台上。 |
| 840 | It's not in the practice room. | 不在练室. |
| 841 | And I think it's | 我觉得 |
| 842 | related to that. | 与此有关。 |
| 843 | So I feel like for me, I'm glad that I was thrown in kind of the deep end to learn | 所以,我觉得像我,我很高兴 我被扔在那种 深端学习 |
| 844 | these things, because I think I would have taken it for granted. | 这些事,因为我认为我会把它视为理所当然的。 |
| 845 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 846 | Can I add a few thoughts to | 我能补充一些想法吗? |
| 847 | that? | 那个? |
| 848 | I think, first of all, I think if they tried to teach a lot of these ideas in university, | 我想,首先,我想 如果他们试图在大学教很多这些想法, |
| 849 | it would be too theoretical and too far removed from real life experience. | 这太理论化了 离现实生活太远了 |
| 850 | So many times we have | 这么多次了 |
| 851 | read a book and be like, this book sucks. | 读了一本书就觉得这书很烂 |
| 852 | This is boring. | 这太无聊了 |
| 853 | And then three years later, | 三年后,我终于... |
| 854 | having walked through different experiences, I'm like, this book is gold. | 这本书是金色的 |
| 855 | This knowledge. | 此知识. |
| 856 | Oh, | 瓳 |
| 857 | my God. | 天呐 |
| 858 | I can't believe it. | 不可思议. |
| 859 | You know, so sometimes you need to have been in a certain situation for | 你知道,所以有时你需要 在一个特定的情况,因为 |
| 860 | something to mean something to you, right? | 对你很重要,对吧? |
| 861 | Like, yeah. | 喜欢,是的。 |
| 862 | And so I think a big part of that is | 所以我认为其中的一大部分是 |
| 863 | taking part in these projects, these creative ventures, trying things. | 参与这些项目, 这些创造性的事业,尝试的东西。 |
| 864 | And then you apply | 然后申请 |
| 865 | and you seek the knowledge to get to where you want to go. | 你寻求知识 去你想去的地方。 |
| 866 | Otherwise, it's just kind of your | 否则,它只是一种你的 |
| 867 | memorizing theories for the sake of memorizing theories. | 忆诸论为念诸论. |
| 868 | I think the second thing touching on | 我觉得第二件事触动 |
| 869 | what Brett said is, I think a lot of knowledge is like abstractions or like mental models of | 布莱特说,我认为很多知识 就像抽象或精神模型 |
| 870 | reality. | 现实 |
| 871 | And the thing is, different models apply to different circumstances, right? | 问题是,不同的模型 适用于不同的环境,对不对? |
| 872 | Like, | 喜欢, |
| 873 | what applied in this circumstance might not apply. | 在这种情况下适用的情况可能不适用。 |
| 874 | It's like Newton's law of gravity applies nine | 这就像牛顿的引力定律 9 |
| 875 | point meters away until you're on the moon, then it doesn't apply. | 离月球还有几米远,它就不适用了 |
| 876 | Anyway, I'm trying to sound like | 总之,我试图听起来像 |
| 877 | a cool student, but you get my point. | 不错的学生,但你明白我的意思。 |
| 878 | And so I'll give an example. | 我举个例子 |
| 879 | Like, I remember in our uni, | 像,我记得在我们的uni, |
| 880 | they tried to teach a little bit about social media, because they had that initiative, which | 他们试图教一些 关于社交媒体, 因为他们有这个倡议, |
| 881 | I think was really cool. | 我觉得很酷 |
| 882 | Like kind of not just about music, but how to kind of surround this | 那种不只是关于音乐, 而是如何包围这个 |
| 883 | career of being a musician, what skills you might have. | 作为一个音乐家的事业, 你可能拥有什么技能。 |
| 884 | They did have that. | 他们确实有 |
| 885 | I think the issue, | 我想这个问题, |
| 886 | I mean, not the issue, but the challenge is even the rules of social media are changing so much. | 我的意思是,不是问题,但挑战 甚至是社交媒体的规则 正在如此变化。 |
| 887 | Right? | 对吧? |
| 888 | Like, what works? | 喜欢,什么工作? |
| 889 | I mean, TikTok didn't even exist five years ago. | 我的意思是,TikTok 甚至不存在五年前。 |
| 890 | Oh, maybe it did, | 哦,也许它做到了, |
| 891 | but you know, I mean, like the landscape changes so much. | 但你知道的,我的意思是, 像风景改变了很多。 |
| 892 | What the algorithm is changes so much, | 算法有什么变化? |
| 893 | what people want to see. | 人所欲见. |
| 894 | And so a big part of that is we're constantly, and I think with technology, | 所以,其中的一大部分是 我们不断, 我想用技术, |
| 895 | the interesting thing is, from my belief, I don't know, I wasn't alive 500 years ago, but I think | 有趣的是,从我的信念, 我不知道,我是不是活着500年前, 但我认为 |
| 896 | the rules are, it's not just the rules are changing, but the rate in which rules are changing is faster | 规则是,不只是规则在改变, 规则在改变的速度更快 |
| 897 | and faster. | 还要快点 |
| 898 | And so we have to cultivate the ability to constantly readapt and relearn | 所以我们必须培养不断重新适应和重新学习的能力 |
| 899 | when the mental model we have in our head no longer matches reality, which is why it's | 当我们脑海中的心理模式 不再符合现实,这就是为什么 |
| 900 | important to cultivate the ability to face uncertainty, to be honest and be like, | 培养能力 面对不确定性 诚实和喜欢, |
| 901 | I'm scared. | 我吓坏了。 |
| 902 | I don't know what the right decision is right now, but not run away from that. | 我不知道什么是正确的决定 现在,但不是逃避。 |
| 903 | Not to | 不会 |
| 904 | just go like, I'm going to go back into this textbook that I read and try to force that ideology | 我要回到我读的教科书里 试着强迫这种思想 |
| 905 | onto the world because the world is changing. | 因为世界正在改变 |
| 906 | Nice. | 不错 |
| 907 | Very good. | 很不错。 |
| 908 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 909 | Over here in the white there in the middle. | 这边是白色的 在中间 |
| 910 | Yep. | 对 |
| 911 | The questions have been really deep. | 问题很深 |
| 912 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 913 | I think you and the fans are real thinkers here. | 我想你和粉丝们是真正的思想家 |
| 914 | So before I go to my deep question, | 在我问起我的深层问题之前 |
| 915 | the question is, is Editor Sun still in your basement? | 问题是,孙编辑还在你的地下室吗? |
| 916 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 917 | Yes. | 对 |
| 918 | But instead of using Uber, we use Meituan now to deliver the bubble tea. | 但是,我们不是用Uber,而是现在用Meituan来送泡茶. |
| 919 | Okay, great. | 好吧,伟大的。 |
| 920 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 921 | So my question is, I've been following you since very early and I think, | 所以,我的问题是,我一直跟踪你 从很早,我想, |
| 922 | although your content has been really fun and interesting, there's still something quite | 虽然你的内容一直很有趣 很有趣,但仍有相当的东西 |
| 923 | serious underneath. | 下层很严重 |
| 924 | I'm wondering, is that something still the same or has it grown along | 我在想,是有些东西 还是一样,或者它已经成长 |
| 925 | with you two together? | 你们俩在一起? |
| 926 | Sorry. | 对不起 |
| 927 | Can I clarify, when you say there's something serious, | 我可以澄清一下,当你说 有严重的事情, |
| 928 | did you have something specific in mind? | 你有具体的想法吗? |
| 929 | What do you mean by that? | 这是什么意思? |
| 930 | I think the spirit behind | 我认为灵魂的背后 |
| 931 | the funny, the comedy, the interesting, the goof around is still quite serious, even sacred even. | 有趣的,喜剧,有趣的, 傻子环绕仍然相当严重,甚至神圣。 |
| 932 | Like you want to advocate so much things, not just in classical music, but like | 就像你想倡导这么多的东西, 不只是在古典音乐, |
| 933 | how to really pursue what you really want. | 如何真正追求你真正想要的。 |
| 934 | But after all these years, I'm wondering, | 但是这些年来,我一直在想, |
| 935 | because you two have absolutely grown, as we can see from your videos and your tour, | 因为你们两个已经完全长大了, 从你的视频和你的巡回演出中我们可以看到, |
| 936 | I'm just wondering, has the serious topics, theme behind your videos grown together or | 我只是想知道,有严肃的主题, 主题背后的你的视频成长在一起,或者 |
| 937 | expanded to an even more rich things? | 扩张到更丰富的事物? |
| 938 | Thank you for that. | 谢谢你 |
| 939 | Also a very deep question. | 也是一个很深的问题。 |
| 940 | I think, yeah, like, it is funny because we never started off wanting to be funny. | 我想,是啊,像,这很有趣 因为我们从来没有开始 想搞笑。 |
| 941 | I always joked about this. | 我总是在开玩笑 |
| 942 | It's not like, if you asked us 10 years ago, I did not know we'd be | 这不是像,如果你问我们 十年前,我不知道我们会 |
| 943 | doing comedy at all, right? | 做喜剧,对不对? |
| 944 | Like it wasn't on my like list of, what do they say? | 好像不在我名单上 他们怎么说? |
| 945 | It wasn't on my | 这不在我的身上 |
| 946 | single card of predictions. | 单卡预测。 |
| 947 | I think it's interesting because, yeah, on one hand, | 我觉得很有趣 因为,对,一方面, |
| 948 | our personality has been, we do like goofing around and that is something that we share online. | 我们的个性一直是, 我们喜欢胡闹, 而这是我们共享在线。 |
| 949 | But it reminds me of this book I read once about comedy. | 但它让我想起我读过一本关于喜剧的书 |
| 950 | It was actually written a book about | 其实是写一本关于 |
| 951 | like how to be a better comedian. | 喜欢如何成为一个更好的喜剧演员。 |
| 952 | And she said something that always stuck to me. | 她总是对我说一些话 |
| 953 | She says, | 她说, |
| 954 | don't try to be funny first, be authentic. | 先别搞笑,要真实 |
| 955 | And then through that authenticity, | 然后通过真实性, |
| 956 | you can then make that funny. | 然后,你可以让这个笑话。 |
| 957 | And I think a lot of great comedians, what they are able to do is | 我认为很多伟大的喜剧演员, 他们能够做的是 |
| 958 | they're able to, through comedy as a medium, share some truths that make us think and explore. | 他们能够通过喜剧作为媒介,分享一些让我们思考和探索的真理. |
| 959 | And then so I think a lot of what we do is, yeah, like the authentic messages that we believe in | 所以我觉得我们做的很多事 就像我们相信的真实信息 |
| 960 | values, at least that we try to share with the world to be authentic. | 价值,至少我们试图与世界分享 真实。 |
| 961 | And it's not easy, | 这不容易, |
| 962 | that's something we strive for too. | 我们也为此而奋斗 |
| 963 | It's easy to fall off that line and try to do something | 很容易从线上掉下来 试着做点什么 |
| 964 | because it's a trend or try to do something for views and be funny. | 因为它是一个趋势 或尝试做一些 观点和搞笑。 |
| 965 | But we try to constantly | 但是我们一直努力 |
| 966 | remind ourselves of like, what is it that we truly believe in that what we want to share? | 提醒我们自己,我们真正相信我们想要分享的东西是什么? |
| 967 | And I think ultimately, it's that authenticity that creates that relatability, creates that | 我认为归根结底 是真实性创造了相对性 |
| 968 | community of people that go, these aren't my authentic shared experiences. | 这些都不是我真正的共同经历 |
| 969 | This is what I | 这就是我 |
| 970 | truly believe in. | 真诚相信 |
| 971 | And actually, yeah, I add on to that, on the topic of values. | 实际上,是的,我补充了这一点, 关于价值的主题。 |
| 972 | These values are | 这些价值是: |
| 973 | a way for us to guide into uncertainty. | 一种引导我们进入不确定性的方法。 |
| 974 | So when, rather than what Eddy said, you know, | 所以当,而不是埃迪说,你知道, |
| 975 | trying to force something on, these things that we learned along the way, they kind of help us | 试图强迫一些东西, 这些东西,我们一路学到, 他们有帮助我们 |
| 976 | get through these situations. | 渡过这些险境 |
| 977 | So it's like, I don't know what's going on, but at least I know | 所以这就像,我不知道 发生了什么事,但至少我知道 |
| 978 | what we feel authentically. | 我们真实的感觉 |
| 979 | These are our values. | 这是我们的价值观。 |
| 980 | And I'm going to go by this kind of moral compass, | 我要走这种道德指南针, |
| 981 | so to speak. | 这么说吧 |
| 982 | And that does give you kind of an easy feeling inside, okay, at least I can trust | 这确实给你一种轻松的感觉 内心,好吧,至少我可以信任 |
| 983 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}让我自己去办 | |
| 984 | I don't know how, but there's a kind of will inside. | 我不知道怎么处理 但里面有种意志 |
| 985 | And that keeps you | 这让你 |
| 986 | going. | 继续 |
| 987 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 988 | And to that, you know, all those, you know, reading comments and things like that. | 所以,你知道,所有这些,你知道, 阅读评论和类似的东西。 |
| 989 | Well, | 那个 |
| 990 | it all kind of all ties together, actually. | 实际上,这都是所有的联系。 |
| 991 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 992 | It's like a guiding light. | 犹如导光. |
| 993 | And we just go and | 我们只是去 |
| 994 | see what happens. | 看看会发生什么。 |
| 995 | Another very deep question. | 另一个很深的问题。 |
| 996 | We have time for one more question. | 我们还有时间再问一个问题。 |
| 997 | You got your hand | 你握着你的手 |
| 998 | up early. | 早点起床 |
| 999 | Yeah, go ahead. | 说吧 |
| 1000 | One last question, then we have to wrap. | 最后一个问题,然后我们必须结束。 |
| 1001 | Thank you so much. | 非常感谢 |
| 1002 | As a comedian | 作为喜剧演员 |
| 1003 | myself, I really thank for your answers for the previous one. | 我自己,我真的很感谢你对前一个答案。 |
| 1004 | And then I want to have a bigger | 然后我想有一个更大的 |
| 1005 | appreciation for you, because being like starting a channel for 10 years, and you have brought | 感谢你们,因为你像开始一个频道 10年,你带来了 |
| 1006 | everything here, it's already like a very heroic action. | 这里的一切,已经像 一个非常英勇的行动。 |
| 1007 | And you guys are like hero in a classic | 你们就像经典里的英雄 |
| 1008 | music in my heart. | 音乐在我的心脏。 |
| 1009 | So really, thank you. | 真的,谢谢 |
| 1010 | But my question, it's very delightful. | 但我的问题,这是非常令人愉快的。 |
| 1011 | And now you have, | 现在你有了, |
| 1012 | since you have a tour in China, and you know, you also have a very large fan's basement here, | 既然你在中国有巡回演出,你知道, 你还有一个非常大的扇子的地下室在这里, |
| 1013 | and base of fan space here. | 和风扇空间的底部 |
| 1014 | And, and, as you know, we all have some Chinese nickname for you. | 而且,你知道,我们都有一些中国的昵称给你。 |
| 1015 | And | 还有 |
| 1016 | Eddie, Eddie is called like tangerine in our Chinese language, because the tangerine and orange is | Eddie,Eddie在我们中文里被称为橘子, 因为橘子和橘子是 |
| 1017 | called Chung. | 姓钟的 |
| 1018 | So it sounds like your family name and Brett, you're called the cute little ship. | 听起来像是你的姓氏和Brett 你被称为可爱的小船 |
| 1019 | Because of the family name young. | 因为姓氏年轻. |
| 1020 | And I just want to ask you, what do you think of | 我只想问你,你觉得 |
| 1021 | these nicknames? | 这些昵称? |
| 1022 | And do you? | 你呢? |
| 1023 | Would you like us to continue using it? | 你想让我们继续使用它吗? |
| 1024 | Or ever since you have | 或从你有过 |
| 1025 | toured here in China, and you learned some of the Chinese? | 在中国旅行,你学了一些中国人? |
| 1026 | Would you like to like, bring | 你想不想,带 |
| 1027 | each other some nicknames in Chinese? | 对方有中文昵称吗? |
| 1028 | Or other things? | 还是别的? |
| 1029 | Yeah, nicknames, new nicknames. | 是啊,昵称,新的昵称。 |
| 1030 | I don't know how to answer that. | 我不知道该怎么回答 |
| 1031 | Oh, yeah, we've heard like, | 哦,是的,我们听说, |
| 1032 | Chung. | 钟 |
| 1033 | Yeah, yeah, yeah. | 对,对,对 |
| 1034 | I love it. | 我喜欢它。 |
| 1035 | Personally, I think it's so cute. | 就个人而言,我觉得它是如此可爱。 |
| 1036 | Yeah, the orange we sometimes get band gifts. | 是啊,橙色我们有时得到乐队礼物。 |
| 1037 | One of the more memorable ones was a cute little | 其中一个更难忘的是可爱的一点 |
| 1038 | sheep but enclosed in the orange. | 绵羊却被裹在橙子里 |
| 1039 | And that's really cute to us. | 这对我们来说真的很可爱 |
| 1040 | I love it. | 我喜欢它。 |
| 1041 | I think it's really | 我觉得真的 |
| 1042 | creative. | 创意。 |
| 1043 | And yeah, it makes you feel some type of way about my Chinese name. | 对,这让你对我的中文名字有某种感觉 |
| 1044 | I don't know. | 师曰. |
| 1045 | It's | 这是 |
| 1046 | cool. | 凉爽。 |
| 1047 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1048 | I don't know what to say. | 僧无语. |
| 1049 | Yeah, honestly, it's kind of like, when we came, | 是啊,说实话,这有点像, 当我们来了, |
| 1050 | it feels really welcoming here. | 感觉很受欢迎 |
| 1051 | Like we really love being here, actually. | 就像我们真的喜欢在这里一样 |
| 1052 | Like I said, I wish | 就像我说的,我希望 |
| 1053 | we had more time. | 我们有更多的时间。 |
| 1054 | And we definitely want to be back. | 我们绝对想回来 |
| 1055 | It's just, there's just so much to explore. | 只是,有这么多的探索。 |
| 1056 | We meet so many great people. | 我们遇到很多伟大的人。 |
| 1057 | We love meeting all of you here, like doing these events today | 我们喜欢在座各位相遇 就像今天这样 |
| 1058 | as well. | 临Τ |
| 1059 | It gives us also an opportunity to kind of connect with all of you as well. | 这也使我们有机会与大家建立联系。 |
| 1060 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1061 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 1062 | Thank you so much. | 非常感谢 |
| 1063 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 1064 | Thank you, TwoSet Violin. | 谢二司卫林. |
| 1065 | Brett, Eddie, thank you very much. | 布莱特 埃迪 谢谢你 |
| 1066 | Shuangqin Xia, everybody. | 夏顺琴,大家好 |
| 1067 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
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