梁思成林徽因后人对话耶鲁专家：为什么说中国传统文化复兴与生态

梁思成林徽因后人对话耶鲁专家：为什么说中国传统文化复兴与生态未来息息相关？

发布于 2024-12-10 · 时长 53:01

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0:04	Good evening everyone and welcome to the Yale Center Beijing, Yale University's home here	大家晚上好欢迎来到耶鲁中心北京耶鲁大学的家
0:10	in China.	在中国。
0:11	I am Carolee Rafferty, a Yale College alumna and also executive director of the Yale Center	我是Carolee Rafferty 耶鲁大学的校友也是耶鲁中心执行主任
0:18	Beijing, which is Yale University's home here in China.	北京,是耶鲁大学在中国的故乡.
0:22	Today I am so delighted to be hosting this fascinating discussion on why are Chinese	今天我很高兴能主持这次关于为什么是中国人的讨论
0:30	traditions valuable, reviving ancient classics and restoring historical buildings, and we're	传统珍贵,复兴古代经典,修复历史建筑,我们
0:37	co-hosting this event with the Yale Club of Beijing.	与北京耶鲁俱乐部共同承办此次活动.
0:42	I would like to extend my special, special thanks to Mary Evelyn Tucker, who is today's	我要特别感谢今天的玛丽·伊夫林·塔克
0:49	moderator and also you're the one who brought all these rock stars to this panel discussion.	主持人,还有你带所有这些摇滚明星参加小组讨论。
0:56	I'm going to quickly introduce Mary Evelyn Tucker and then I know she will give a more	我会很快介绍玛丽・伊芙琳・塔克然后我知道她会给予更多

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1	Good evening everyone and welcome to the Yale Center Beijing, Yale University's home here	大家晚上好欢迎来到耶鲁中心北京耶鲁大学的家
2	in China.	在中国。
3	I am Carolee Rafferty, a Yale College alumna and also executive director of the Yale Center	我是Carolee Rafferty 耶鲁大学的校友也是耶鲁中心执行主任
4	Beijing, which is Yale University's home here in China.	北京,是耶鲁大学在中国的故乡.
5	Today I am so delighted to be hosting this fascinating discussion on why are Chinese	今天我很高兴能主持这次关于为什么是中国人的讨论
6	traditions valuable, reviving ancient classics and restoring historical buildings, and we're	传统珍贵,复兴古代经典,修复历史建筑,我们
7	co-hosting this event with the Yale Club of Beijing.	与北京耶鲁俱乐部共同承办此次活动.
8	I would like to extend my special, special thanks to Mary Evelyn Tucker, who is today's	我要特别感谢今天的玛丽·伊夫林·塔克
9	moderator and also you're the one who brought all these rock stars to this panel discussion.	主持人,还有你带所有这些摇滚明星参加小组讨论。
10	I'm going to quickly introduce Mary Evelyn Tucker and then I know she will give a more	我会很快介绍玛丽・伊芙琳・塔克然后我知道她会给予更多
11	detailed introduction of our distinguished speakers.	详细介绍尊敬的发言者。
12	So Mary Evelyn Tucker is the co-director of the Yale Forum on Religion and Ecology.	因此,玛丽·伊夫林·塔克是耶鲁宗教和生态论坛的联合主任.
13	She received her PhD from Columbia University and was mentored by noted Confucian scholar	她从哥伦比亚大学获得博士学位由著名儒家学者指导
14	William Theodore DeBerry.	威廉·西奥多·德贝里.
15	She is an author and a co-editor of many volumes on Confucianism, including a couple volumes	她是一个作家,也是多部有关儒学的著作的合编者,包括几卷
16	on Confucian spirituality with Du Wei Ming.	和杜伟明一起学习儒家精神
17	Also she and John Grimm are co-executive producers of the Emmy Award winning documentary, Journey	同时她和约翰·格林姆是艾美奖获奖纪录片"Journey"的联合执行制片人.
18	of the Universe, which the Center has had the honor of showing several times and we	中心曾有幸展示过几次我们
19	look forward to doing more of them as well.	也期待着做更多的工作。
20	She is welcoming our distinguished speakers, including Professor Yao Xinzhong, who is the	她欢迎我们尊敬的发言者,包括姚新忠教授。
21	former dean of the School of Philosophy at the Redmond University of China, Annie Liangzhou,	曾任中国雷蒙大学哲学学院院长,安妮·梁州,
22	who is the co-founder and managing partner of Liang Capital Partners, a noted philanthropist	他是梁资本合伙人的共同创始人和管理合伙人著名慈善家
23	and social impact investor whose many leadership roles include serving on the World Monument	以及社会影响投资者,其许多领导作用包括在世界纪念碑上任职
24	Fund's International Council, and of course Binbin Wang, an old friend of the Center's	基金的国际理事会,当然还有本宾王, 中心的老朋友
25	who is 2023 Yale World Fellow and currently the associate dean and research professor	现任副院长兼研究教授
26	at the Institute of Carbon Neutrality at Peking University.	就读于北京大学碳中性研究所.
27	So without further ado, let's welcome Mary Evelyn Tucker and our rock star speakers.	所以不用多说了我们来欢迎玛丽·伊芙琳·塔克还有摇滚明星演说家
28	Thank you so much.	非常感谢
29	Thank you very much, excellent.	非常感谢,非常好。
30	It's such a pleasure to be at the Yale Center once again and we're deeply grateful to Carol	很高兴再次来到耶鲁中心我们深切感谢卡罗尔
31	and Joyce and all the staff here and we're delighted to have the audience engaged and	乔伊丝和这里的全体员工我们很高兴有观众参与
32	we will give you time for questions, of course, at the end and I'm going to introduce these	我们会给你时间提问,当然, 在最后,我会介绍这些
33	speakers briefly, but I wanted just to make a few comments to introduce the theme of	发言者们简短地说,但我只想提出几点意见,介绍以下主题:
34	today's panel, this idea of tradition and modernity of the ancient and the modern.	今日的面板,这种古代和现代传统和现代的观念.
35	What an important topic for today's world in so many ways.	在很多方面,对当今世界来说,这是一个重要的议题。
36	So values from the past and in a high level of development like China, what does this	所以从过去开始,在像中国这样高水平的发展过程中,我们的价值是多少?
37	mean?	怎么说?
38	The past and the present meeting.	过去与今会.
39	Is humanity sacrificed with hyper technology?	人类是被超技术牺牲的吗?
40	What does this mean?	这是什么意思?
41	Loss and gain.	损益.
42	Do we reject the ancient and embrace the new only?	难道我们拒绝古人,只接受新人吗?
43	All over the world, this is the same problem, certainly in Europe and in many parts of South	在全世界,这个问题是相同的, 在欧洲和南方的许多地方,
44	America, Latin America and Asia.	美洲、拉丁美洲和亚洲。
45	Old values are being rejected and new materialism is being embraced.	旧的价值观正在遭到拒绝,新的唯物主义正在被接受。
46	What is new materialism?	什么是新的唯物主义?
47	It gives us a loss of spirituality, a loss of meaning, a loss of purpose.	使我们丧失了精神,失去了意义,失去了目的.
48	If we reject the ancient values and only embrace materialism, buying things, consumerism, it	如果我们拒绝古老的价值观,只接受唯物主义,买东西,消费主义,
49	creates depression, eco anxiety and climate grief.	造成抑郁症、生态焦虑和气候悲伤。
50	We know this all over the world.	我们在全世界都知道这一点。
51	So clearly we can't reject the past.	所以很明显我们不能拒绝过去
52	We cannot take away ancient traditions.	我们不能夺走古老的传统。
53	Instead we look to the past and we try and retrieve these values, reevaluate them and	相反,我们仰望过去,我们尝试取回这些价值,重新评价它们,
54	reconstruct them for present circumstances.	根据目前情况重建这些设施。
55	So we retrieve, we reevaluate and we reconstruct.	因此,我们回收,重新评价,重建。
56	Everyone can be involved in this.	每个人都可以参与其中。
57	So Confucianism, for example, has patriarchy.	故儒学,以儒学为例,有宗法.
58	It has education that's only memorizing and hierarchy in the past.	它的教育只是过去记忆和等级。
59	So how do we recreate Confucianism for modern circumstances, for ecology, for example?	那么,我们如何为现代环境,例如生态环境,再造儒学呢?
60	So embracing, for Confucianism and all traditions, the value of humans, male and female, the	所以,对于儒家主义和所有传统, 人类的价值,男性和女性,
61	value of equality, the value of moral cultivation, a great Confucian asset and the value of nature.	平等的价值,道德种植的价值,伟大的儒家资产和自然的价值.
62	So this reevaluation is absolutely essential and it has to be done consciously and carefully.	因此,这种重新评估是绝对必要的,必须自觉和谨慎地进行。
63	We're going to look at World Monuments Fund and a similar kind of tradition modernity	我们要看看世界遗迹基金和类似的现代传统
64	fusion, combination, coming together, preserving old buildings and signs considered national	组合、组合、组合、保护被认为属于国家的旧建筑和标志
65	cultural heritage.	文化遗产。
66	And China can lead and is leading the world on how to do this.	中国可以领导和领导世界如何做到这一点。
67	Modern techniques and technologies with historical authenticity, research and documents, combining	具有历史真实性、研究和文件的现代技术和工艺
68	and fusing ancient and modern.	和喷发古老和现代。
69	And that is what Annie will share with us.	安妮会跟我们分享的
70	And Binbin Wang will be dealing with one of our most pressing problems, climate change.	还有斌彬王将处理我们最紧迫的问题之一——气候变化.
71	And she has just come back from the COP meeting in Baku.	她刚刚从巴库的缔约方会议回来。
72	So she's been doing modern polling data, relying on modernity.	所以她一直在做现代的民调数据,依靠现代性.
73	But she's concerned to preserve ecosystems affected by climate change.	但她关心的是保护受气候变化影响的生态系统.
74	So moving from information to action, a new kind of, again, fusion and combination.	所以,从信息转向行动, 一种新的,再次的,聚变和组合。
75	Each one of these participants have a great thing to offer because they have not given	每一个参与者都有一个伟大的贡献,因为他们没有给予
76	up on our future.	我们的未来。
77	Each one has a vision of how we bring together values and action, a sense of possibility	每个人对如何把价值观和行动结合起来有远见一种可能性感
78	and promise, a vision for the future.	并许诺,未来的愿景。
79	That is what this distinguished panel represents.	这就是这个杰出的小组所代表的。
80	I'm going to just briefly ask Professor Yao and then Annie and Binbin to speak.	我只是简短地请姚教授,然后安妮和彬彬发言.
81	Professor Yao is one of the most distinguished Confucian scholars in China.	姚教授是中国最杰出的儒家学者之一.
82	He has many publications, including with Du Wei Ming.	他有许多著作,包括与杜伟明的著作.
83	And he's done a history of Confucianism, encyclopedia of Confucianism.	而且他还做过儒学史,儒学百科全书.
84	He's taught in England at the University of Wales and at King's College in London.	他曾在英国威尔士大学和伦敦国王学院任教.
85	His list goes on and on.	他的名单不断
86	But let me say, he represents the Confucian tradition, especially run, humaneness, care	但我要说,他代表着儒家的传统,特别是跑步,人道,关怀
87	and compassion for future generations.	和对后代的同情。
88	Please join me in welcoming Professor Yao.	请跟我来欢迎姚教授
89	It's always a pleasure to come here and thank you for your center.	常欣然来此谢中心.
90	And this is very evening for you coordinating this event.	这是非常的晚上你协调这个活动。
91	So when I saw this title, then I said, what kind of coincidence?	当我看到这个标题,然后我说, 什么样的巧合?
92	Because this is exactly with the course which I have been teaching for more than 15 years	因为这正是我教的15年多的课程
93	in the UK and in China.	在英国和中国。
94	My course is titled, Tradition and Modernity.	我的课名为传统与现代
95	So this is when I teach this course, the first question I ask a student is why tradition today?	所以这就是我教这门课的时候我问学生的第一个问题是为什么今天有传统?
96	So this is, you know, some of these young students probably don't know much about this tradition,	所以,你知道,一些年轻的学生可能不太了解这个传统,
97	why this meaning of the tradition.	为什么这个传统的意义。
98	So I gradually lead them into the debate and the discussion about how tradition functions in the modern world.	所以我渐渐地引导他们进入关于传统如何在现代世界运作的辩论和讨论.
99	And normally I would start my question to students today.	通常我今天会向学生提问
100	I think probably on the same question I could ask the why tradition today.	我想也许我也可以问为什么今天的传统。
101	And I would like to, you know, place this kind of, you know, tradition in the worldwide, this kind of cultural and the revival.	我想,你知道, 将这种传统,你知道的, 在世界范围内,这种文化和复兴。
102	This is the, I think this is quite a long history, not very long, but quite a history.	这是,我认为这是一个相当长的历史, 不是非常长,但相当长的历史。
103	So this, probably I started from 1950s.	所以,这,也许我从1950年代开始。
104	And, you know, some people wouldn't know this, 1958, that year is a very important year for the tradition,	而且,你知道,有些人不会知道这个,1958年, 那年对于传统来说是非常重要的一年,
105	because Elizabeth Anscombe published her paper on modern moral philosophy.	因为伊丽莎白·安斯康贝发表了她关于现代道德哲学的论文.
106	This is she challenged the modern and the ethical theories like this, the Kantianism and the consequentialism.	这就是她挑战了现代和伦理学的理论,例如康德主义和后果主义.
107	And then this starts with the revival of the virtual ethics.	然后从虚拟道德的复兴开始。
108	So this means when we talk about ethics, not just about rules, not just about norms,	这意味着当我们谈论道德, 不只是规则,不只是规范,
109	we talk about human, we talk about this personal life and personal character and the cultivation that exactly in the same line as the traditional Confucian teachings.	我们谈论的是人,我们谈论的是这种个人生活和个人的性格,以及和传统儒家教义完全一样的栽培.
110	And this second event is called, you know, also this published in 1958, this is by the four great Confucian scholars.	而这个第二次事件,也是1958年出版的,这是四大儒家学者们所说的.
111	And this is the, and the cousin Chang and Zhang Junmai, and this is Mo Zongshan and Xu Fuguan and Tang Junyi.	且此者,表兄张君迈,此莫宗山,许福安,唐君义也.
112	This could manifest on the appraisal of Chinese culture for the world.	这一点可以体现在对世界中国文化的评估上。
113	So this is, you know, this is normally regarded as this kind of beginning of the revival of the Confucianism in the second half of the 20th century.	所以这就是,你知道,这通常被认为是20世纪下半叶儒学复兴的这种开端.
114	And this is, that is one year, which probably would.	这大概是一年时间
115	And then we move on to the 1970s.	然后我们继续到1970年代。
116	In 1971, this is Edward Shales published his paper on tradition.	1971年,这位是爱德华·沙莱斯(英语:Edward Shales)发表了他关于传统的论文.
117	This is, that was a monument and publication and this in the field.	这是一座纪念碑和出版物,也是实地的。
118	This started a great movement worldwide and this is why we should talk about the tradition in the modern world.	这在世界范围内开始了一场伟大的运动,这就是为什么我们应该谈论现代世界的传统。
119	And then this is followed by the other people like this and Van Raad on this wisdom in the Old Testament, talk about Jewish wisdom, this kind of thinking.	接着是其他人,像这个和范·拉德在"旧约"中的这种智慧,谈论犹太智慧,这种思想.
120	And then this is in 1973 and, you know, Chongying Cheng and established a journal on the Journal of Chinese Philosophy.	然后是1973年,你知道的,Chongying Cheng在"中国哲学杂志"上建立了期刊.
121	So these are all these kind of, these are the very important events for the, for the later half of this 20th century.	所以这些都是这些, 这些是20世纪后半叶非常重要的事件。
122	And this is the, then I, you know, throughout all these scholars and the people talk about the tradition.	这就是我,你知道的, 在所有这些学者和人们谈论传统。
123	Why tradition?	为什么是传统?
124	What is tradition?	什么是传统?
125	And that is the questions that people ask.	这就是人们问的问题。
126	So this is from my understanding.	所以这是我的理解。
127	I think the tradition we can, we can see from the three perspectives.	我认为,我们能够从三个角度看到传统。
128	First, alive, live tradition, live tradition means, you know, the way we behave, the way we speak, the way we think.	首先,活着,活的传统,活的传统意味着,你知道,我们的行为方式,说话的方式,思考的方式.
129	And this is, and this is the, you know, embodied in our life.	这是,这就是,你知道, 体现在我们生活中。
130	This is the, I call it a live tradition and we should, we could observe this from people's behaviors and talking and thinking this kind of way.	这就是,我称之为一种活的传统,我们应该, 我们可以从人们的行为, 交谈和思考中看到这一点。
131	And the second, I would call it a written tradition.	第二,我称之为书面传统。
132	We learn this tradition from this and, you know, the literatures and philosophical and historical this context, this kind of things there.	我们从中学习这个传统以及,你知道的, 文学、哲学和历史背景, 诸如此类的东西。
133	And then this third, I would call it fossilized, this tradition, which you are going to talk about this.	然后第三个,我会称之为化石, 这个传统,你会谈论这个。
134	This is, you know, this like a monument and the buildings and this, even they are dead, so-called dead.	这是,你知道,这是像一个纪念碑和建筑物和这个, 即使他们死了,所谓的死亡。
135	But, you know, when we come close to them, we find a life there.	但是,你知道, 当我们接近他们, 我们在那里找到生活。
136	So this is still very important to us.	所以这对我们来说仍然非常重要。
137	So this tradition is important to every of us.	所以这个传统对我们每个人都很重要。
138	But what kind of tradition we should revive?	但我们应该恢复什么传统?
139	And this is the question for us to think.	这是我们思考的问题。
140	We are, tradition is not equal to the past.	我们是,传统与过去不相等。
141	So we revive tradition, not just revive the past, but try to bring back to the past to the today.	因此,我们振兴传统,不仅复兴过去,而且努力把过去带回今天。
142	That is not possible and also is not good.	这是不可能的,也不好。
143	So this is the, and then we need to think this, which part, what are the elements of the tradition we should really, and this is the,	所以,这是,然后我们需要思考, 哪一部分,什么是传统的要素, 我们应该真正,这是,
144	And we have to think about what you, why we want to revive a tradition, because the tradition is useful.	我们必须考虑你,为什么我们要恢复传统, 因为传统是有用的。
145	So this, at least we can say this.	所以,至少我们可以这么说。
146	So useful is that give us a sense of being home.	这对我们的家很有帮助。
147	So the result of tradition, we are lost, we will be lost.	因此传统的结果,我们迷失了,我们将迷失。
148	Past these 30 decades and many people experience these kind of things.	在过去的30年里,很多人都经历过这种事情。
149	And then tradition would give us a sense of belonging.	然后传统会给我们一种归属感。
150	We belong to somebody.	我们属于某个人
151	We belong to this culture or tradition and this history and all these kind of things.	我们属于这种文化或传统和这种历史和所有这些事情。
152	And then tradition can help modern people to survive.	然后传统可以帮助现代人生存.
153	And as some people said, tradition is a way to help people to survive.	正如有些人所说,传统是帮助人们生存的一种方式.
154	This is in the pre-industrial societies.	这是在工业化前的社会中。
155	But in modern times, do we need to survive?	但是在现代,我们需要生存吗?
156	I think probably we do, because this is a modern life, and we would feel quite a lot of pressures, both physically and psychologically.	我认为我们可能这样做, 因为这是一个现代生活, 我们会感到很多压力, 无论是在身体上还是心理上。
157	So this is, and this seems to survive.	因此,这是, 这似乎存活。
158	And then next I would talk about tradition would provide a mirror.	接下来我会谈论传统提供一面镜子。
159	Because we can't see our own face as modern people.	因为我们不能把自己的面孔看成现代人.
160	But we have a mirror that we will see ourselves, this inner mirror, to see what kind of problem we have and what kind of things we are going through.	但是,我们有一个镜子,我们将看到自己,这个内在的镜子,看看我们有什么问题,是什么事情正在经历。
161	So this last but not least, as I would say, tradition provides a critique of modernity from outside of modernity.	因此,正如我要说,这最后但并非最不重要的是,传统提供了对现代性的批评。
162	Because the modern people, they are quite good at critical of things, but they criticize within modernity.	因为现代人,他们相当擅长批判事物,但他们在现代主义内部批评.
163	So if you say you've got a problem, then people would say, OK, you've got this problem because you are not modernized enough.	如果你说你有问题, 那么人们会说,好吧,你有这个问题因为你不够现代化。
164	Then if you want to get rid of this problem, you have to be more modernized.	如果你想摆脱这个问题,就必须更加现代化.
165	But tradition provides us another perspective, criticizes modernity from outside of modernity.	但传统为我们提供了另一种视角,批评现代性是现代性以外的.
166	So that is the things which normally I would talk with our students.	所以我通常会和学生谈这些事。
167	I hope these kind of, you know, a few and, you know, brief ideas would bring our thinking into the focus on today's topic of why we talk about this tradition.	我希望,这些,你知道, 少数,你知道,简短的想法将使我们的思考成为今天的主题, 为什么我们谈论这个传统。
168	You know, revival tradition, culture in China today and what kind of things we are going to have and what kind of things we are trying to introduce to the modern people's life.	你知道,复兴传统,今天中国的文化, 以及我们将要拥有的是什么, 我们试图向现代人民介绍什么。
169	So that is my start point.	这就是我的起点。
170	Thank you.	谢谢
171	Wonderful.	真不错
172	I would love to see that in writing.	我很想看到书面的。
173	That was brilliant, really excellent.	这是辉煌的,真的很优秀。
174	And this is a wonderful transition to Annie Liang Zhao.	而这是向安妮·梁昭的精彩过渡.
175	And Annie, if you don't mind, I will introduce not just for all your wonderful investments and cross-cultural and speaking on climate and mindfulness and many, many topics and working with young people, China and America.	安妮,如果你不介意的话,我将不仅介绍你所有的精彩投资, 以及跨文化的演讲关于气候和意识,以及很多,很多话题, 并与年轻人,中国和美国合作。
176	She's done many, many things.	她做过很多很多事情
177	And I just want to say the connection between what Professor Yao just said is her ancestor is Liang Qichao.	我只想说,姚教授刚才说的与她的祖先是梁季曹有关
178	And that means part of the reform movement of early China, Liang Qichao.	而这意味着中国早期梁启超的改革运动的一部分.
179	And she is part of that lineage and one other lineage of many.	她也是这个家族的一部分和另一个家族的许多。
180	Her aunt is Maya Lin and her parents are architects.	她的姨妈是马雅琳,父母是建筑师.
181	So she is bringing incredible fusion to this work.	所以她给这项工作带来了不可思议的聚变。
182	And we're so pleased to have you here to talk, especially, I think, about World Monument Fund, which has just been launched here in Beijing, but is an international organization.	我们很高兴你们在这里讨论, 特别是,我想,世界纪念基金, 它刚刚在北京发起,但是一个国际组织。
183	And she has been the spark between this week opening and launching here in Beijing.	她一直是本周在北京开幕和发射之间的火花。
184	Thank you so much.	非常感谢
185	Hello, everyone.	大家好,你们好
186	Good evening.	边
187	It is such a pleasure to be here.	很高兴来到这里。
188	Thank you to the Yale Center of Beijing, to Carol and Mary Evelyn and John for inviting me to be part of this distinguished panel.	感谢北京耶鲁中心,感谢卡罗尔,玛丽·伊芙琳和约翰邀请我参加这个杰出的小组.
189	I wanted to just start by sharing my journey with cultural heritage.	我想从分享文化遗产开始。
190	As Mary Evelyn had just mentioned, my family has strong ties to the preservation of monuments.	正如玛丽·伊夫林刚才提到的,我的家人与保存纪念碑有着很强的联系.
191	But personally, I was born in Beijing, but moved to the States when I was young, when I was seven years old.	但个人而言,我出生于北京,但年轻时移居美国,7岁时移居美国.
192	When I was in Beijing when I was young, I saw a lot of these historical photographs of Beijing.	幼年在北京时,曾看过许多这些北京的历史照片.
193	So, for example, here we see a photo from 1933 taken by a woman named Hedda Morrison, who was a German photographer who had traveled all over China.	例如,这里我们可以看到一张1933年的照片, 由一位名叫Hedda Morrison的女性拍摄, 她是一位德国摄影师,曾游历中国各地。
194	And you can see the differences of Beijing's city and its landscapes from 1933 to about 10 years ago.	并且可以看到1933年至10年前北京市及其地貌的差异.
195	And then same thing here, just some iconic views of the city of Beijing.	在这里,同样的事情,只是北京市的一些标志性观点.
196	But as you can see in the modern photo, there's been a lot of new structures being built.	但从现代照片中可以看到,许多新建筑正在建设中.
197	And then also here, just the city in the background kind of disappearing into the distance.	也在这里,只是背景中的城市消失在遥远的地方。
198	But really, a lot of the buildings are quite nondescript.	但实际上,很多建筑都是非描述性的。
199	And now, as we pass through many parts of Beijing, I feel like often it's not identifiable, right?	而现在,随着我们经过北京的许多地方,我觉得它常常是无法识别的,对吧?
200	It's a city without identity.	此城无身份.
201	I mean, sure, we have the central business district, right?	我的意思是,当然,我们有中央商务区,对不对?
202	In the CBD area, we have larger buildings.	在CBD地区,我们拥有更大的建筑.
203	But what actually really touches me every time I come to Beijing are the older parts of the city, right?	但我每次来北京时真正触动我的是城市的老地方,对吧?
204	When you go through the hutongs, when you see the temples and the pagodas, the things that really resemble the essence of Chinese heritage, tradition, and culture.	当你穿过胡同, 当你看到神庙和佛塔, 那些真正像中国遗产,传统和文化的精髓的东西。
205	And so this is what motivated me to begin this journey with monuments, with getting involved with my first nonprofit, which was called the Beijing Cultural Heritage Protection Center.	因此,这就是我开始这个旅程的动机, 以纪念碑为起点, 参与我的第一个非营利组织, 这个组织叫做北京文化遗产保护中心。
206	Many of you might know about the organization, but essentially, when I got involved about 10 years ago, I really wanted to educate the public about what it meant to support cultural heritage,	很多人可能知道这个组织, 但基本上,当我参与大约10年前, 我真的很想教育公众它的意义支持文化遗产,
207	what was happening in that field, what are conservators or experts doing on the ground.	在那里发生的事情, 保护者或专家在现场做什么。
208	Actually, when I was creating this slide, I meant to actually include several other of the conventions out there because, okay, let me just first start by saying that in the field of heritage preservation,	事实上,当我制作这张幻灯片时, 我本想把其它几个公约都包括进去因为,好吧,让我首先说在遗产保护领域,
209	it really began in Europe at least 150 years ago, right?	它真的开始在欧洲至少在150年前,对不对?
210	This concept of conservation and preservation.	这种保护与保护的概念.
211	And then in the 20th century, after the First World War, many of the European nations gathered and said that we need to establish a convention on the preservation of heritage,	然后在20世纪,第一次世界大战后,许多欧洲国家聚集在一起,说我们需要制定保存遗产的公约,
212	whether it's sites or intangible heritage.	无论是遗址还是无形遗产。
213	So we actually began with the Athens Convention in 1933.	因此,我们实际上从1933年雅典公约开始.
214	And then as after the Second World War, that also led to the creation of the Venice Charter in 1964, right?	之后就像第二次世界大战之后一样,这也导致了1964年的威尼斯宪章的制定,对吗?
215	So there's been many iterations of different types of conventions on the preservation of monuments as established by organizations like UNESCO.	因此,对于联合国教科文组织等组织所设立的保存古迹的各类公约,也曾有过多次重复.
216	However, in 1972 was when the World Heritage Convention was established and that was the most comprehensive definition of and inclusive definition of heritage	然而,1972年,《世界遗产公约》成立,这是对遗产的最全面定义和包容性定义。
217	and including sites that had outstanding universal value and for us in the heritage community to think about how we can go about preserving heritage sites around the world.	包括具有杰出普遍价值的遗址,让我们在遗产界思考如何保护世界各地的遗产遗址。
218	But so for myself, about 10 years ago, I got involved with the Beijing Cultural Heritage Protection Center, as I mentioned.	但对于我自己来说,大约10年前,我被卷入了北京文化遗产保护中心,正如我所提到的那样.
219	And our goal was to educate the public about different types of heritage, architecture, different types of sites out there.	我们的目标是教育公众了解不同种类的遗产,建筑,不同种类的遗址。
220	And so we led several trips.	所以我们领导了几次旅行。
221	So the one on the right hand corner was from Shanxi and Bo Guangsi.	故右手角者是山西和博广西人.
222	And we visited different sites in Shanxi and analyzed the wooden architecture there, which included many of the pagodas, temples.	我们参观了山西各地,分析了那里的木结构建筑,其中包括许多佛塔,寺庙.
223	And it really was a reminder of the work of my great grandparents when they had traveled to Shanxi in the 1930s to document many of the sites and heritage sites that were largely neglected.	这确实提醒了我曾祖父母在1930年代到山西旅行,记录许多基本上被忽视的遗址和遗产时所做的工作.
224	And then the following year, we also did a trip to Anhui province to learn about the Hui style architecture.	后又于次年赴安徽省学习惠州风格建筑.
225	So this is one of the four major styles of architecture in China.	因此这是中国四大建筑风格之一.
226	And it's just so wonderful to see how rich our cultural heritage is through trips.	看到我们的文化遗产是多么丰富,真是太棒了。
227	And the following year, we also led a group to Dunhuang to see our grottoes there and to see the epitome at the height of Chinese culture.	次年,我们又带领一批人到敦煌,在那里看我们的杂物,在中华文化的鼎盛时期看清了史诗.
228	These beautiful cave paintings and sculpture and how well preserved they are.	这些美丽的洞穴绘画和雕塑,以及它们保存得多么好.
229	And so every time I see these structures and the heritage that is so representative in this country, I'm always so touched.	所以每当我看到这些结构和这个国家具有代表性的遗产, 我总是如此感动。
230	And that's what continues to motivate me to work in this field.	这也是我继续在这一领域工作的动力所在。
231	And as Mary Evelyn had just mentioned, about five years ago, I joined as a member of the World Monuments Fund, which is a 501C3 that is registered in the US.	正如玛丽·伊夫林(Mary Evelyn)刚刚提到的那样,大约五年前,我加入了世界纪念碑基金, 该基金是在美国注册的501C3。
232	We have been around for almost 60 years.	我们在这里已经将近60年了。
233	We were registered in 1965.	我们登记在1965年。
234	And since then, we've worked on 700 conservation projects in 112 countries.	此后,我们在112个国家开展了700项保护项目.
235	So this organization has had such a global footprint.	因此,这个组织有这样一个全球足迹。
236	And we've also been working in China for about 20, almost 30 years, working on more than 30 cultural heritage sites.	并且我们在中国也工作了大约20年,近30年,从事30多个文化遗产遗址的工作.
237	However, we never had the opportunity to register here.	然而,我们从未有机会在这里登记。
238	Of course, we all understand the state of nonprofit or civil society organizations here in China.	当然,我们都了解中国这里非营利或民间组织的状况.
239	And so, in fact, this past Monday, the reason why I'm here in Beijing right now is because we just received approval from the Beijing Municipal Bureau of Cultural Heritage to be able to register here in China and to participate in more of these conservati	所以,事实上,上星期一,我现在来北京的原因, 是因为我们刚刚获得了北京市文化遗产局的批准, 可以在中国登记, 并参加更多的这些保护项目。
240	And so what really touched me about World Monuments Fund is that, similarly to what Mary Evelyn and Professor Yao were talking about, heritage isn't just about buildings, right?	与玛丽·伊芙琳和姚教授所讲的类似遗产不仅仅是建筑,对吧?
241	We feel like in the modern day, we don't really feel, often we don't feel connection to these buildings from the past.	我们感觉在现代, 我们没有真正感受, 常常我们感觉不到与这些建筑的联系从过去。
242	But buildings are about people.	但建筑是有关人。
243	They're about the crafts people, the artisans who have worked on them.	是关于工匠,工匠他们曾经工作。
244	They're about the people who lived in these buildings, who built them, and also the spiritual, the spirituality behind many of these buildings and sites.	他们讲述了在这些建筑中生活的人,他们建造了这些建筑,以及许多这些建筑和遗址背后的灵性,灵性.
245	I think that's what really touches me about many of the sites that World Monuments Fund has worked on.	我认为,世界纪念碑基金所研究的许多网站, 真正让我感动。
246	And so, as you can see in the photo, this is from the Qianlong Gardens inside the Forbidden City, the Palace Museum.	因此,从照片上可以看到,这是来自紫禁城内的Q龙花园,宫廷博物馆.
247	So we've been working on this site for 24 years and still working on the conservation of many of its many different parts of the structure.	因此,我们在这个遗址上工作了24年,仍然致力于保护它许多不同部分的结构.
248	It's actually quite a large space.	这实际上是一个很大的空间。
249	It's at the northeast corner of the Forbidden City.	位于紫禁城东北角.
250	And it was actually the retirement palace of Qianlong, the Emperor Qianlong, when he retired from his affairs.	而实际上正是乾隆皇帝乾隆帝的退休宫殿,当时他从事务中退休.
251	And he built this beautiful garden called the Qianlong Gardens, and then inside it's called Junxingzhai.	而他又建造了这座美丽的花园,称为"Q龙花园",后来在园内又称为"俊兴斋".
252	And so it was constructed in 1776 and then used until about 1924 when Puyi left the Imperial City.	于是它建于1776年,后来一直使用到大约1924年溥仪离开皇城.
253	However, it hasn't been open to the public since.	然而,此后一直没有向公众开放.
254	And so for the past 24 years, World Monuments Fund, our experts have been working alongside the experts of the Palace Museum in restoring this beautiful space,	在过去的24年里,世界纪念基金我们的专家一直和宫殿博物馆的专家一起努力修复这个美丽的空间
255	which includes not only this beautiful theater that you see here, but many of the wall paintings, the carpets, the wooden architecture, the gardens, the rock gardens.	它不仅包括你在这里看到的这个美丽的剧院, 还包括许多壁画,地毯,木制建筑,花园,岩石花园。
256	It's really a remarkable site, and it will be open to the public next September.	这确实是一个令人瞩目的网站,将于明年9月向公众开放.
257	So I hope that you all reserve in advance and go see this wonderful site.	所以我希望你们都提前预备去看看这个很棒的网站
258	And then also World Monuments Fund, as I mentioned, has worked in 112 countries, so we do have sites in the Middle East.	之后,正如我所提到的,世界纪念碑基金已经在112个国家工作,因此我们确实在中东有遗址。
259	And then another signature site that we have is the Angkor Archaeological Park in Siem Reap, where we've been since 35 years ago.	而我们拥有的另一个标志性遗址是暹粒的安哥尔考古公园,我们从35年前就开始了.
260	And here are some of the other sites that we have in India, in Turkey, in the U.S., recognizing the work of indigenous people in the adobe structures, and then also in Easter Island, as well as in Iraq, the cradle of civilization.	这里还有我们在印度、土耳其、美国的一些其他地点, 承认土著人在土豆结构中的工作, 以及复活节岛和伊拉克的文明摇篮。
261	And so I also wanted to mention some of the trends that are happening in our space, because we can see that, I mean, the discipline of heritage conservation has evolved over time, and we really have to adapt to many of these challenges that we're currentl	所以我也想提到一些发生在我们空间中的趋势, 因为我们可以看到, 遗产保护的学科随着时间推移而演变, 我们真的必须适应我们目前面临的许多挑战。
262	So for example, Binbin is an expert on climate change, and I've been working in this space for some time as well.	例如,彬彬是一位气候变化专家,我也在这个空间工作了一段时间。
263	And for the past two years, at the UN General Assembly and also at COP, the Conference of Parties, there has been more emphasis on the impact of climate change on heritage, whether it is the built heritage or if it's coastal cities.	过去两年来,在联合国大会和缔约方大会上,人们更加强调气候变化对遗产的影响,无论是建筑遗产还是沿海城市。
264	There's a lot of people being displaced by climate change, increased natural disasters, extreme weather events, and also the melting of polar ice caps and how that is impacting sea level rises, right?	很多人因气候变化,自然灾害增加,极端天气事件,以及极地冰盖的融化而流离失所,这如何影响海平面上升,对吧?
265	So that impacts a lot of the coastal communities and put people at risk.	因此,这影响了许多沿海社区并使人们处于危险之中。
266	And then of course, with development and human destruction, that's been something that the heritage field has been experiencing, especially in China or in Beijing, right?	当然,随着发展和人类的毁灭, 遗产领域已经经历了一些事情, 特别是在中国或北京,对不对?
267	So a lot of the Hutongs that we have here in Beijing have been destroyed because of development and because, you know, people say that living in the Hutongs isn't, I mean, it's not suited to modern living.	所以,我们在北京这里的许多胡通人,由于发展而被毁,也因为人们说,在胡通人中生活并不是,我的意思是,它不适合现代生活.
268	However, that is part of our heritage, right?	然而,这是我们遗产的一部分,对不对?
269	That's part of our collective history.	这是我们集体历史的一部分.
270	So a lot of that has been destroyed over time.	随着时间的推移,这些东西中有很多都被摧毁了。
271	Of course, with other human-led disasters like war and conflict, what we're seeing today in Ukraine, in Gaza, so World Monuments Fund hired someone in Ukraine immediately after Russia invaded to document many of the important cultural sites	当然,随着战争和冲突等其他人类主导的灾难,我们今天在乌克兰、加沙看到的情况,因此,世界纪念碑基金在俄罗斯入侵后立即在乌克兰雇用了一个人来记录许多重要的文化遗址。
272	and to make sure that we have a contingency plan for post-conflict.	并确保我们有一个冲突后应急计划。
273	And then of course, also with other natural disasters like earthquakes, last year when the earthquake erupted in Turkey and Syria, we had also gone in there to be able to address many of these issues.	当然,去年土耳其和叙利亚发生地震时,我们在那里也能够处理其中许多问题。
274	And then two other issues I wanted to talk about as well, which are all related to people, right?	还有两个问题我想谈都和人有关,对吧?
275	So one is under-representation.	因此,一个是代表性不足。
276	Often we think about monuments like the ones that are large, grandiose, like that of the Palace Museum.	我们常常会想到像宫殿博物馆那样大型的古迹
277	But what about important vernacular architecture and kind of smaller structures that are important to a community or intangible heritage?	但对于一个社区或非物质遗产来说很重要的重要方言建筑和一类较小的结构呢?
278	So these are areas in which the heritage community is really starting to think about and to be more inclusive in our policies in terms of how we include many of these sites to be preserved or protected in our efforts.	因此,这些是遗产界真正开始思考的领域,并在我们的政策中更加包容我们如何将许多需要保护或保护的遗址纳入我们的努力。
279	Yeah, so we have one project also in Dali Village in Guizhou province.	贵州省大理村也有一个项目
280	And we are supporting a women's cooperative there to help women generate more economic, to generate more economic benefits for the women in the village and to make sure that they're able to stay in the village, preserve their heritage through their weavin	我们在那里支持一个妇女合作社, 帮助妇女创造更多的经济效益, 给村里的妇女带来更多的经济利益, 确保她们能够留在村里, 通过编织和手工艺来保存她们的遗产。
281	And also that contributes to their family unit as well, right?	这也有助于他们的家庭,对不对?
282	Women being able to stay in the villages, take care of their family and then have more of a, I guess, to earn more respect within the household as well.	妇女能够留在村庄,照顾家庭,然后在家庭中获得更多的尊重。
283	I mean, just given some of the issues that are happening in the villages here.	我的意思是,只是考虑到一些问题正在发生在这里的村庄。
284	And then the other issue is mass tourism, right?	另一个问题是大众旅游,对吧?
285	So during COVID, we saw that a lot of the sites were impacted by a lack of tourists, right?	因此,在COVID期间,我们看到很多遗址受到游客不足的影响,对不对?
286	So some sites, some of the larger sites, they might not be as impacted by the loss of ticket sales.	因此,一些站点,一些较大的站点,可能没有受到售票损失的影响.
287	But smaller sites that they're abandoned, many of them actually rely on ticket sales or tourism to stimulate the local economy and to be able to support many of the local population.	但被废弃的较小的场地,许多实际上依靠售票或旅游来刺激当地经济,并能够支持当地许多人口.
288	So what is the balance there?	那么,那里有什么平衡?
289	What are the ways in which we can better manage tourism in these major sites as to protect sites and to make sure that they're sustainable in the long run?	如何更好地管理这些主要景点的旅游,以保护景点,确保景点长期可持续?.
290	So yeah, that's all I wanted to share as part of my presentation.	所以,这就是我想分享的作为我发言的一部分。
291	But as you can see, I'm very passionate about this subject.	但如你所见,我很热衷于这个话题.
292	And in fact, I did my undergrad in political science and I went to business school.	事实上,我从政治学系毕业,然后上商学院。
293	But now I'm getting my third master's degree in historic preservation, just so that I can have a more comprehensive understanding of this field in order to support the work of not only World Monuments Fund,	但现在我获得了历史保护的第三本硕士学位以便我更全面地了解这个领域不仅支持世界遗迹基金的工作
294	but so that I can participate in more of these restoration projects in the future and make more informed decisions.	将来我可以参加更多的修复项目并做出更明智的决定
295	But also in the future, I hope to do more of these talks and trips.	但在今后,我也希望更多地进行这些会谈和旅行。
296	And so hope that you'll join us on our journey.	希望你们能加入我们的旅程
297	Thank you so much.	非常感谢
298	What a wonderful, inspiring presentation.	多么精彩、鼓舞人心的演讲
299	And we will talk in our conversation about how you can be involved in this work as well.	我们会在谈话中讨论你如何参与这项工作。
300	So thank you.	谢谢
301	And in terms of renewing human culture like Confucianism, renewing ancient sites, buildings and so on.	而在儒学等人类文化的更新方面,更新古遗址,建筑等.
302	And now we're talking about renewing the earth and the sense of preserving the earth through the most important critical problem of climate change.	现在我们谈论的是更新地球和通过气候变化这一最重要的关键问题来保护地球的意识。
303	In Binbinwan, we met at Yale last fall.	在宾宾万,去年秋天我们在耶鲁相识.
304	She was a world fellow.	她是一个世界性的家伙。
305	She's still part of our Yale community.	她还是耶鲁社区的成员
306	And she has just returned from the COP in Baku.	她刚从巴库的缔约方大会回来
307	And she is going to share the launch they did in Baku for her C-Force, a forum that will be based at Beida Beijing University, where she's an associate dean and professor.	她将分享他们在巴库为她的C-Force举办的发布会, 这个论坛将设在北京贝达大学,
308	And she herself is a force of nature.	她本身就是大自然的力量
309	Please welcome Binbinwan.	请宾宾万.
310	Yes, as Mary mentioned, I just back from Baku and still some jet lag.	是的,正如玛丽提到的,我刚从巴库回来仍然有些时差。
311	But I cannot say I feel tired because when I saw John and Mary here, you know, they have been here for three weeks and they travel a lot from Yunnan to Henan to Beijing.	但我不能说我感到疲惫,因为当我在这里看到约翰和玛丽时,他们已经在这里呆了三个星期,他们从云南到河南到北京的旅程很多.
312	And they arrange a lot of talks and, you know, events with students, with people here to share their understanding on Confucius.	他们安排了许多演讲, 和学生们, 和这里的人,分享他们对孔子的理解。
313	Yeah, so they never stop.	是啊,所以他们从来没有停止。
314	And they never I think I asked them, hey, do you feel tired?	我从来没有问过他们,嘿,你累了吗?
315	No, I say, OK, I cannot feel higher.	不,我说,好吧,我不能感觉更高。
316	You know, I should say, yes, I still have power.	你知道,我应该说, 是的,我仍然有权力。
317	I still have energy.	我还有精力
318	And I talked with my husband.	我和我丈夫谈过了
319	Hey, I will see Mary and John again.	我会再见到玛丽和约翰的
320	They just came back from a lot of events and I cannot understand why they still can keep so many energy.	他们刚刚从很多事件回来我无法理解为什么他们仍然可以保持这么多的能量。
321	And my husband saw and then he said, yeah, because they have their own fire.	我丈夫看到,然后他说,是的,因为他们有自己的火。
322	They find their force.	他们找到了自己的力量。
323	They have their calling.	他们有他们的使命。
324	I said, yes, that's it.	我说,是的,就是这样。
325	So you see your force already.	所以,你已经看到了你的力量。
326	And it's also Mary helped me to see my own force in Yale, to be frankly.	玛丽也帮助我在耶鲁看到了自己的力量,坦率地说.
327	Yeah.	对
328	So this cop in Baku is my 15 cops.	巴库的这个警察是我的15个警察
329	So my first cop is in Copenhagen 15 years ago.	我的第一个警察15年前在哥本哈根
330	And since then, I tracked the whole process and tried to mobilize the multi-state holder to take actions besides the government.	从那时起,我跟踪整个过程并试图动员多州控股人采取政府以外的行动。
331	And it's a long trip, you know, always full of ups and downs.	并且这是一个漫长的旅程,你知道,总是充满起伏.
332	And I witnessed the Paris Agreement.	我亲眼目睹了巴黎协定。
333	It's the best, you know, brightest side of a human.	这是人类最聪明的一面
334	And we make it happen and get a great deal.	我们让它发生,得到很多。
335	And after that, Trump back and, you know, there is a disaster.	在那之后,特朗普又回来了,你知道,有一场灾难。
336	And U.S. withdraw from the Paris Agreement announced not not not make it true.	而美国退出"巴黎协定"则宣布,并非不使它成为事实.
337	So it's a long way.	故曰远.
338	And some of the time I feel also feel frustrated and I don't know where I should I should go.	有些时候我感到很沮丧我不知道该去哪里
339	And as my my research focus on how to mobilize people, you know, to take more actions and, you know, only rely on government and like academia is not enough.	我的研究集中在如何动员人们, 你知道,采取更多的行动, 并且,你知道,仅仅依靠政府,像学术界,是不够的。
340	So how to mobilize people and people have as I my research that people have higher awareness on climate now, fortunately.	因此,如何动员人们和人们像我的研究, 人们有更高的气候意识现在,幸运的是。
341	But when we ask them, hey, you should do something and you do like to buy some climate friendly products and they will say, not yet.	但是,当我们问他们,嘿,你应该做一些事情,你确实喜欢购买一些气候友好的产品,他们会说,还没有。
342	I'm not ready.	我还没准备好
343	So how to mobilize more people?	那么,如何动员更多的人?
344	And this is a question mark as well in my mind.	这也是我脑海里的一个问题
345	And also, I found that, yes, now we find the renewable energy and we talk about fossil fuel is is black is dirty and renewable energy is green is clean.	还有,我发现,是的,现在我们找到了可再生能源, 我们谈论化石燃料是黑色的,而可再生能源是绿色的。
346	But it's, you know, first of all, is also from nature is is like it's kind of fossil.	但它,你知道,首先, 也是来自自然就像一种化石。
347	Yeah.	对
348	And renewable energy as well from the sun, from the water.	以及来自太阳和水的可再生能源。
349	So from this perspective, their energy, their same energy.	所以从这个角度看, 他们的能量, 他们的能量。
350	So it's only we human we want to exist, you know, survive from this on this planet.	所以只有我们人类想要生存, 你知道,在这个星球上生存下来。
351	We need more energy.	我们需要更多的能量。
352	So we are so excited now to find the renewable energy.	因此,我们是如此兴奋现在找到可再生能源。
353	Yes, we need to develop.	是的,我们需要发展。
354	We need to invest.	我们需要投资。
355	But when we found the fossil fuel, we also feel so excited.	但当我们找到化石燃料时,我们也感到非常兴奋。
356	And then we use a lot and then we cause the climate change.	然后我们大量使用,然后造成气候变化。
357	And now we found renewable energy.	现在我们找到了可再生能源。
358	Just to repeat the history.	只是为了重复历史
359	And I have a big concern if we have no this kind of reflection and we try our best to just use the renewable energy.	如果我们没有这种思考,我们尽力使用可再生能源,我对此非常关切。
360	Maybe something will happen, you know, not as we expected.	也许事情会发生,你知道, 不像我们预期的那样。
361	So this is a question mark when I was in Yale.	这是我在耶鲁时的问号
362	And then I talked with Mary and Mary told me, hey, from your my hometown is Shandong.	之后我和玛丽和玛丽谈过了,嘿,你家乡是山东.
363	And Mary said, hey, from your hometown, you know, Asian people, Confucius.	玛丽说,嘿,从你的家乡, 你知道,亚洲人,孔子。
364	He says we should set up the harmony between nature and the human.	他说我们应该建立大自然和人类之间的和谐.
365	And it's the K like K K or solution for the current modern challenge.	而这是K像KK或当前现代挑战的解决方案.
366	And the way I see where I said goodbye to Mary that night and suddenly Mary stopped me and shouted to me, say, hey, this is your destination.	我看见那晚我跟玛丽道别突然玛丽拦住我对我大喊大叫说嘿这是你的目的地
367	I say, what?	我说,什么?
368	Yeah, that's the near destiny.	是啊,这是几乎的命运。
369	Yeah, I say, what was that?	是啊,我说,那是什么?
370	But I realize suddenly I realized, yes, 15 years ago, it's not my choice to Copenhagen because my organization need me to go.	但我意识到我突然意识到,是的,15年前, 这不是我选择哥本哈根, 因为我的组织需要我去。
371	They just need some some people from China to be there.	他们只是需要一些来自中国的人去。
372	So I was kicked to Copenhagen.	所以我被踢到了哥本哈根
373	But there I found out climate change is so important, a huge topic.	但我发现气候变化是如此重要, 一个巨大的话题。
374	So I just insist on and then it's now is my choice.	所以我坚持,然后现在是我的选择。
375	Yeah, I choose to stay in this course in this mission.	是的,我选择留在这个课程在这个任务。
376	So Mary, I should say thank you to you.	玛丽,我应该谢谢你
377	And you really helped me to find my force.	而你真的帮助我找到我的力量。
378	So thank you so much.	非常感谢
379	And I also and this is also why I announced lunch.	我也因此宣布了午餐。
380	This is the fourth lap in Baku.	这是巴库的第四圈。
381	I can go very quickly.	我可以很快离开
382	So we talk about when we talk about climate change.	因此,我们谈论气候变化时。
383	And now we have a goal around the world is carbon neutrality.	现在我们在全世界有一个目标是碳中和。
384	Right.	对
385	And the carbon neutrality goal is a new goal for all the countries, for all the national leaders.	而碳中和的目标是所有国家,所有国家领导人的新目标.
386	And no one has an existing pathway at hand.	没有人有一条已有的通道。
387	So from the current point to the 2050 future, we can see we have a lot of challenges.	因此,从目前的点到2050年的未来,我们可以看到我们有许多挑战。
388	And, you know, the geopolitical crisis and the less political ambition, especially from the U.S., the new president and also less this kind of finance, financial support,	而且,你知道,地缘政治危机和较少的政治野心, 特别是来自美国, 新总统,
389	which is the the whole topic in COP 29 this time in Baku and also less public actions.	这是本次在巴库举行的缔约方会议第二十九届会议的整个议题,也是较少的公开行动。
390	But it's not a kind of a complaint to the public because all the actions we have now are old, boring.	但这不是对公众的抱怨,因为我们现在的所有行动都是老的,无聊的.
391	We just ask people to save energy, like lower the air conditioner, turn off the light.	我们只是要求人们节省能量,比如降低空调,关灯.
392	Right.	对
393	And the same water.	则同水.
394	And it takes the green transportation.	这需要绿色运输。
395	Yes, we all we all know that anything new.	是的,我们都知道任何新的事情。
396	So this is the point.	这就是重点。
397	And you see, you know, new action point we can do.	你看,你知道,新的行动点我们可以做。
398	And we also experience a lot of opportunities like green transition around the world.	我们也体验了很多机会,比如世界各地的绿色过渡。
399	Right.	对
400	And also this kind of paradigm shift is a kind of culture paradigm shift from the industry, industrial culture to the ecological culture.	而这种范式的转变,也是一种从工业,工业文化到生态文化的文化范式的转变.
401	I'm sure Mary can tell us a lot about it.	我相信玛丽能告诉我们很多事情
402	And also opportunity that now there is a global cooperation around the world and all countries, multistakeholders.	现在全世界以及所有国家、多方利益攸关者也有机会开展全球合作。
403	We realize, yes, climate change the real and this human cost and we should do something together.	我们意识到,是的,气候变化的真正代价和这种人类代价,我们应该一起做一些事情。
404	And also we have young generation and their awareness on climate change is much, much higher than the older generation.	而且我们还有年轻一代,他们对于气候变化的认识远比老一代高。
405	And they experience the whole transition and they would like to do more to contribute to their future and also our future.	他们经历了整个过渡,他们愿意做更多的工作,为他们的未来和我们的未来作出贡献。
406	So it's our opportunity.	这就是我们的机会
407	And but since there are no existing pathway, we should change our perspective from the present to the future in the middle.	但是,由于没有现有的路径,我们应该改变我们的观点,从现在转向中间的未来。
408	What we can do.	我们能做的
409	This is the Seaforth Lab.	这是海佛斯实验室。
410	Seaforth Labs, the full name is Climate Future Global Innovation Lab.	海佛斯实验室,全称气候未来全球创新实验室.
411	And to connect to the present with the future, the inner self with outside world and to the human and nature,	与现在和未来的联系与外界的内在联系与人和自然的联系
412	because we only talk about climate change.	因为我们只谈论气候变化。
413	You know, some of time when I feel frustrated, I will say, oh, yes, it's a huge crisis.	你知道,有些时候,当我感到沮丧, 我会说,哦,是的,这是一个巨大的危机。
414	And how as an individual what I can do.	如何作为一个个人我能做什么。
415	And as observed, there are a lot of veteran in this field.	正如所观察到的,这个领域有许多老兵.
416	They also feel tired.	他们也觉得累了。
417	They feel depressed.	他们感到沮丧。
418	So how to help them to rebuild their like force and rebuild their confidence.	如何帮助他们重建他们一样的力量,重建他们的信心.
419	And thus we can come together.	这样我们就能走到一起。
420	This is why I see force and force is so important for all of us.	这就是为什么我看到武力和力量对我们所有人如此重要。
421	And the Seaforth Lab have three C leadership as a core value.	而海佛斯实验室有三个C作为核心价值的领导.
422	So three C leadership is curiosity, courage and compassion.	因此,三个C领导是好奇心,勇气和同情心.
423	So we will use the Seaforth leadership to like cultivate the future generation and also help the people around and also identify the partner,	因此,我们将利用海佛斯的领导喜欢培育后代, 帮助周围的人, 并确定伙伴,
424	the global partner who have the three C leadership as Mary, as Annie, as Professor Yao Zhang.	拥有三个C领导权的全球合作伙伴是玛丽,安妮,姚章教授.
425	And we come together and we can make a lot of, you know, new changes and also set up the C here is also connection,	我们聚集在一起,我们可以做很多,你知道的,新的改变, 并在这里建立C也是连接,
426	set up the connection between self, others and the mother nature.	建立自我、他人和母性之间的联系。
427	So this is a quick map.	这是一张快速地图。
428	You can see it connection.	你可以看到它的联系。
429	And the slogan is see your own force, see our common force.	而口号是看你自己的力量,看我们的共同力量.
430	I'm a big fan of Star Wars.	我是星际大战的忠实粉丝.
431	If you are as well, please raise up your hand.	如果你也是请举起手来
432	May the force be with you.	愿力为汝.
433	So I think we can go quickly to the there are four pillars mission.	因此,我认为我们可以快速去那里四个支柱任务。
434	We should know need new culture, new agenda, new actors and new narrative.	我们应该知道需要新的文化、新的议程、新的行动者和新的叙述。
435	This is the four pillars we should do with this lab.	这是我们应该做的四根支柱这个实验室。
436	And I want to highlight new culture here because it's also from you, Mary, new culture.	我想在这里强调新文化因为它也来自你,玛丽,新文化。
437	So just now, Mary said, sorry, this one.	所以刚才,玛丽说,对不起,这个。
438	Mary mentioned, hey, does that mean that when we talk about innovation, talk about the modern challenge, we should reject the past, just embrace new?	玛丽提到,嘿,这是否意味着,当我们谈论创新,谈论现代挑战时,我们应该拒绝过去,只是拥抱新的?
439	No.	没有
440	And I talked with Mary and Mary invited me to this June, right, to join the forum.	我和玛丽和玛丽谈过了,邀请我去这六月,对吗, 加入论坛。
441	And it's Nishan Luntan.	亦是尼山伦坦.
442	And there are a lot of philosophers from Greece.	还有许多来自希腊的哲学家.
443	And the topic is like the dialogue between Confucius and Aristotle.	而这个话题就像孔子和亚里士多德的对话.
444	And one of the topics, the theme of the subforum is ancient wisdom for modern challenge.	而其中一个主题,子论坛的主题是现代挑战的古老智慧.
445	When I saw this kind of title, I feel so excited.	当我看到这种标题,我感到很兴奋。
446	I may can find some new action points, some new ideas from the ancient wisdom.	我也许能找到一些新的行动点,一些来自古代智慧的新想法.
447	So I participated.	所以我参与。
448	But to be frankly, I feel a bit frustrated very soon because I found all the experts there.	但坦率地说,我很快感到有些沮丧,因为我在那里找到所有的专家。
449	They talk about the test.	他们谈论测试。
450	They talk about the theory.	他们谈论理论。
451	But I feel a deep gap between this kind of theories with the real actions.	但我觉得这种理论与实际行动之间有很大的差距.
452	So then the following question is what I can do.	那么下面的问题就是我能做些什么。
453	This kind of cross-cut dialogue is so important.	这种交叉对话非常重要。
454	So I initiate, I invite Mary to Peking University and also Emma to Peking University and organize this kind of dialogue.	因此我邀请玛丽去北京大学也邀请艾玛去北京大学组织这种对话
455	And together with Yale Center Beijing, we also have a new mechanics, right?	与耶鲁中心北京,我们也有一个新的机械,对不对?
456	We organize events in Peking University, in Yale, just to make sure the voice is out as big as enough.	我们在北京大学,耶鲁大学举办活动,只是为了确保声音足够大。
457	And after that, you know, this October, yeah, last month, I organized a science center and Peking University climate week.	之后,你知道,今年10月,是的,上个月, 我组织了一个科学中心和北京大学气候周。
458	And that week, invited by one core foundation, we got a chance to visit the Forbidden City.	那个星期,我们得到了一个核心基金会的邀请, 我们有机会访问紫禁城。
459	And, you know, they have a very interesting program, Zero Waste.	而且,你知道,他们有一个非常有趣的程序,零废物。
460	So, you know, usually we will have four trash bins, you know, in your office or in different corners.	所以,你知道,通常我们会有四个垃圾桶, 你知道,在你的办公室或不同的角落。
461	In Forbidden City, they have seven.	在紫禁城,他们有七个。
462	Yeah, they just try to see what's the tourists they used to through.	是啊,他们只是想看看他们过去所经历的游客。
463	And they like characterize seven, like different kind of trash.	他们喜欢描述七, 像不同种类的垃圾。
464	And then they use the trash to make fertilizer and plant the tree.	然后他们用垃圾做肥料和种树.
465	It's a very small program.	这是一个非常小的程序。
466	But all the students from France, from Peking University, they were excited.	但所有来自法国,来自北京大学的学生都感到兴奋.
467	Wow, even in Forbidden City, this kind of world heritage, they have this kind of experiments.	哇,即使在紫禁城, 这种世界遗产, 他们有这样的实验。
468	And if this because the world heritage together with one core foundation,	如果因为世界遗产和一个核心基础,
469	they want to see whether this kind of world heritage can contribute to the global carbon neutrality.	他们想知道这种世界遗产能否促进全球碳中性。
470	Yeah.	对
471	So it's a starting point.	故为起点.
472	And from that trip, I also heard the guide told us, hey, you know, the the the ancient designer of the building,	从那次旅行中,我还听到导游告诉我们, 嘿,你知道,大楼的古老设计师,
473	they they they know how to save the water, how to protect the building from the fire.	他们知道如何拯救水, 如何保护建筑物免遭火灾。
474	And there are different kind of arrangements in the old architecture.	而旧建筑中也有不同种类的安排.
475	So, yes, these are the wisdom, right?	所以,是的,这是智慧,对不对?
476	They are existing.	它们是存在的。
477	They still make sense.	他们仍然有道理。
478	But we just close our eyes and we just, oh, yes, it's so great, so great building.	但我们只是闭上眼睛,我们只是, 哦,是的,它是如此的伟大,如此伟大的建筑。
479	But we didn't look to the details.	但我们没有看细节。
480	So it also inspired me.	所以这也启发了我。
481	Wow, there are some a lot of like existing ancient wisdom.	哇,有很多像现有的古老的智慧。
482	And if we can collect them and show them again to the people,	如果我们能把它们收集起来再展示给人民
483	they may inspire the current policymakers and the multistakeholders	它们可能激励当前的决策者和多方利益攸关者
484	and also set up as a bridge between the philosophies and the climate community.	也成为哲学界与气候界之间的桥梁。
485	Yeah, we can work together.	是啊,我们可以合作。
486	So here, you know, on the way to today's event, I have a quick idea.	所以在这里,你知道, 在参加今天的活动的路上, 我有一个简单的想法。
487	Why not we call initiate a new initiative?	为什么我们不呼吁发起一项新的倡议?
488	And the name can be ancient wisdom for modern challenge.	而这个名字可以作为现代挑战的古代智慧.
489	And we can like guided by any go to the business, the ancient like world heritage	我们可以喜欢任何指导进入商业, 古老像世界遗产
490	to find out this kind of ancient wisdom still existing, you know,	发现这种古老的智慧仍然存在,你知道,
491	help to protect the architecture and also help to protect the nature and protect the human.	帮助保护建筑,也帮助保护自然和保护人类。
492	And we can collect this kind of kisses out and make a book,	我们可以收集这种吻出来并做一本书,
493	make a documentary and show it in COP 30 in Brazil.	制作纪录片,并在巴西第三十届缔约方会议上展示。
494	And it's really a kind of Chinese kisses.	这真的是一种中国的吻。
495	It's a kind of nature based solution.	这是一种基于自然的解决方案.
496	It's a kind of, you know, action, new action points.	这是一种,你知道,行动, 新的行动点。
497	Maybe the current, you know, the modern agriculture designers,	也许现在,你知道,现代农业设计师,
498	they can get inspired from this kind of ancient wisdom as well.	他们也能从这种古老的智慧中获得灵感。
499	So, yeah, this is like a long journey with a with a very quick conclusion,	所以,是的,这就像一个漫长的旅程一个非常快速的结论,
500	with a very fresh idea here we can discuss after a while anyway.	一个非常新鲜的想法在这里, 我们可以讨论过一段时间。

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